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August 11

How to add archive search to talk page

On the page Talk:St. Peter's Basilica, there is already an archive template that is working and archiving comments. However, there are no links to archives 1, 2, and 3 as is typically found on most archived talk pages. How can I add the wikitext to bring this about? Thank you in advance. Ergo Sum 00:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

• Is Template:Archives what you're looking for? Crow^Caw 00:30, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm trying to use Template:Archive banner. But, when I insert it, it does not link to or search the archives. I do not know the location of where MiszaBot has been archiving. Ergo Sum 04:00, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: Archiving was set up in these two edits with "counter = 3", so the bot has been archiving to Talk:St. Peter's Basilica/Archive 3. Since the templates naturally assume that the first archive is number 1, I will move the archive and adjust the archiving instructions. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Many thanks. Ergo Sum 15:40, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on J.A. Douglas McCurdy Sydney Airport

Reference help requested.

Thanks, 142.166.128.55 (talk) 00:57, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, it looks like in the paragraph you added, starting No charge for CBSA services..., you invoked a reference <ref name="CBSA"/> which had not been previously defined. using a reference with a name allows one to easily re-reference it, but you do have to fill in all the required information one time. Can you point to the reference you intended to use for this? Crow^Caw 01:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Downloading list of hospitals

Hello, I just registered. We are a medical supply company. I wish to download a list of public and private hospitals in Australia from this website to an excel spreadsheet. Am I allowed to do this, and if so can you please explain how? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Femcare (talk • contribs) 05:55, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

You are certainly allowed to – though if you then publish the spreadsheet, you should include credits to Wikipedia. One way to do it would be to start here, and then do the same for similar categories for the other states. There may be a better way, I find Wikipedia's category system puzzling. Maproom (talk) 07:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

• Hello Femcare. You can download as much as you want, just make sure not to query too aggressively which would cause a denial of service. While there are categories of Wikipedia articles to help your search, you are on your own to automate the task. As Maproom mentioned, if you end up publishing the resulting work, there are some licensing requirements (but you don't care about that if it is purely for internal use).

You could also take a look at our sister project Wikidata, which was conceived precisely for that kind of tasks, but I cannot help you there: I do not know if the data is there or how to retrieve it. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:11, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Newington House

Newington House in Silverwater, New South Wales, is a heritage listed property that was the founding site of Newington College in 1863. There was a black and white photo of the building on a number of articles but it has been replaced with a contemporary colour photo of an English House of a similar name. How can the pic of the Sydney house be retrieved and replaced on the relevant articles? Castlemate (talk) 06:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Castlemate: The logs reveal that the Australian picture was renamed to File:Newington house, (New South Wales).jpg. John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

(More) I've updated several English Wikipedia pages, and removed the Oxfordshire image from the Norwegian and Wikidata pages about the Australian place. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much John for your assistance. Castlemate (talk) 01:37, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Sinhalese people

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Randeepa (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The problem was resolved in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Getting images to appear in the right place

In this article, Canoeing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's slalom K-1, I added two illustrations (maps) to the Schedule section. They were automatically pushed down into the Section below, apparently because the software thinks they need to appear below the infobox. Is there a way I can get these maps to appear where they are supposed to appear? Thanks. HowardMorland (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I found a way to make it work, but it involves placing a lot of blank lines in the code. (You can see what I did by comparing my last two changes to the article.) There must be a better way. HowardMorland (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I think i got it using {{-}}. RJFJR (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. HowardMorland (talk) 02:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

HowardMorland, you might know this already but it's best to use the templates and such rather than adding blank lines, large numbers of non-breaking spaces, etc. since pages layout differently on different screen resolutions. The templates help maintain some consistency. †Dismas†|^(talk) 12:37, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Saving My New Edits

We recently updated our page and I can see the edits but I don't see a "Save" button and the new edits are not showing up on the page. Totally confused and not sure where to go from here. Page is David Hoffman Filmmaker

Thank you Debbie Pranckitas David Hoffman CA (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

First: 'you' do not have an 'our' page. No editors (nor groups) have ownership to any pages. Second: you need to make it clear what your Wikipedia:Conflict of interest is. Only after that can we continue this discussion. We are being plagued by 'paid editors' wasting a lot of our time (we do this voluntarily – for free – and pro bono).--Aspro (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I think it's unfair to describe Debbie as a paid editor. I doubt she has ever offered to edit Wikipedia for payment. More likely she has been asked by her employer to update the article about him as he requests, without either of them being aware that Wikipedia, unlike IMDB and Facebook, has rules to be followed. She did her best, and as a result the article is likely to be deleted. He won't be happy, and it's really not her fault. Maproom (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

People who mess with articles as part of their job are paid editors; the term is not reserved for mercenaries and freelancers. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Think Orangemike has made the right call on this. The clue was in the word 'our' page. Sure, DH makes documentaries, the same way that house builders build houses but that doesn’t make DH notable any more than a builder – it is their job in trade. Debbie Pranckitas appears (and is listed) as being part of a DH's team... WE CAN MAKE DOZENS OF BACKSTORY VIDEOS FOR YOU QUICKLY & INEXPENSIVELY (their emphases not mine). Debbie Pranckitas appears here: [1]. So this makes this article not it WP article at all but an Advertorial. It think it should be deleted due to the lake of notability and without further ado. WP is not a free trade directory for media people. Media people have very big egos and it wastes a lot of WP editors time trying to separate out their 'paid editors' hype from the reality when all they have to do is follow WP Guidelines, which they can seem bother to do- and want us to sort it out for them.--Aspro (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Convenience link:

David Hoffman (filmmaker) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

And to David Hoffman CA, please see WP:OWN and WP:AUTOBIO. Thanks, †Dismas†|^(talk) 20:58, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

i HAVE an article

hello, i HAVE an article as Elena Fernandez. can you ad the same article as Elena Bagutta as well. my IMDB , and google is for both names, but right now if I google Elena Bagutta i can see only my IMDB but wiki does not come up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena bagutta (talk • contribs) 19:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Elena bagutta I have redirected Elena Bagutta to Elena Fernández, so if you search Elena Bagutta on Wikipedia, it will take you to Elena Fernández. Google might/should catch up some point, although we don't control Google searches. Joseph2302 19:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

To explain that a bit, we don't create two articles for people listed under two names. That would lead to a nightmare trying to keep everything synced up. So, for example, John Kennedy, JFK, and Jack Kennedy all redirect to John F. Kennedy. There is only one article.

And I'd like to clear something up real quick... You don't have an article. As in you do not own the article. It is simply an article about you. †Dismas†|^(talk) 20:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Literature

Hello, I sometimes add literature from dewiki to articles in enwiki. In dewiki the authors are written: 1 given name 2 surname, in enwiki it is opposite: 1 surname 2 given name. Do I have to convert the authors this way or is it not so important? Many thanks--Buchbibliothek (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, please; otherwise, it falsifies the reference. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:54, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer.Regards--Buchbibliothek (talk) 22:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Sortable chart at All-time Olympic Games medal table: why are sorting arrows not visible?

Re: All-time Olympic Games medal table. In the table, why are some columns sortable and some not? Makes no sense. For example, the numbers of gold/silver/bronze medals at the Summer games are not sortable. And the numbers of gold/silver/bronze medals at the Winter games are not sortable. But, the total numbers of gold/silver/bronze medals (that is, at the Summer games and Winter games combined) are sortable. Why is this?

Someone replied: They are sortable, or at least are so in my browser (Google Chrome), though the arrows don't appear. If I hover over the top cell however, a tooltip appears showing they're sortable.

So, I replied back: OK. Thanks. Yes, that's correct. So, I will re-phrase the question. Why do some sortable columns have the arrows visible? And some not? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The arrow is invisible in cells which set a background color. It's annoying and I assume it's not intentional. The horizontal alignment of the icons or text in the cells show there is space reserved for arrows. Below is the exact same table with "sortable" removed in the second version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Team (IOC code)	№ Summer				Total	№ Winter				Total	№ Games				Combined total
Afghanistan (AFG)	13	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	2	2
Algeria (ALG)	12	5	2	8	15	3	0	0	0	0	15	5	2	8	15

Team (IOC code)	№ Summer				Total	№ Winter				Total	№ Games				Combined total
Afghanistan (AFG)	13	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	2	2
Algeria (ALG)	12	5	2	8	15	3	0	0	0	0	15	5	2	8	15

I have fixed All-time Olympic Games medal table with edit summary: "replace background with background-color in header cells to make sort arrows visible per Help:Sorting#Background colors in sortable headers".[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks. Are you sure? It does not look any different to me. It still looks like it did, when I posted the original question. Some columns have arrows, some don't. What's going on? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:03, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: Do you see arrows after the diff I posted above? It was reverted in [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:47, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: At the moment in time that I looked at it, it had no arrows. Why was it reverted? How do we put it back? I can see no valid reason that that would be reverted. I can see no valid reason that the sorting arrows should be visible in sole columns, yet invisible in others. Do you? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: I assume the editor reverted to a 10 days old version for other reasons. I have made the edit again.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)