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August 22

Undeletion

How do I send a request to avoid/prevent deletion of my article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Rahul_Dhar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dftba10 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

The main method, Dftba10 is to find and add to the article independent published relaible sources that discuss the subject is some detail -- not mere directory entries, playing stats, or passing mentions. See our guideline for the notability of sports articles. See referencing for beginners on how to do this. See your first Article for general guidance. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:56, 22 August 2017 (UTC) @Dftba10: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Dftba10, DESiegel is 100% correct. I left an additional message on your Talk Page that I hope you find helpful! Cheers. Maineartists (talk) 02:11, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dftba10, I like to look after Football articles and looking at this player, it doesn't look like he will meet WP:NFOOTY. He would need to play at a high enough level, which for India is I-League. You say he got an offer but using our normal list of websites [1], I can't find any information on the player. If you have some more information and/or they have played at a higher level, then please add that to the article otherwise it is likely to get deleted. NZ Footballs Conscience^(talk) 04:07, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Help: can you remove the maintenance template?

Re Wiki entry for Gordon Parker (psychiatrist) I've fixed the issues that were raised by the previous helper. Can you now remove the maintenance template? Thanks for your assistance. Lookafter Thepennies (talk) 04:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

The current template is for insufficient inline citations, Lookafter Thepennies. It is my view that quite a number are still needed. i have added {{cn}} tags to indicate some of the places I think citations are needed. I have also done some copy-editing on th4e article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

For reference: Gordon Parker (psychiatrist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

How do I keep my article?

To whom it may concern, I am a member of a band and I have created a page about us. Am I to understand this will be deleted? There are other bands out there with wiki pages, how do I get my page published and get to keep it?
Thanking you,
Dave Bourke (XERO) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Bourke (talk • contribs) 10:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dave Bourke. The first thing you should do is to remove all the links to facebook and youtube since these do not belong in the text of an encyclopaedia. Since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, you are not the best person to write the article about the band, and it cannot ever be "your page". If you think that the band is notable in the Wikipedia sense (i.e. it has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources), then you should create a draft at Draft:XERO, and move your text from your user page the there. The next step is to read WP:Referencing for beginners and find good references for the statements in the article. Articles about other bands are liable to deletion if they are unreferenced. Dbfirs 11:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Dave Bourke. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject says about themselves, or that their friends or associates say about themselves; and it has no interest at all in how a subject wants to be portrayed. A Wikipedia article should be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about it - good or bad - and should be written in a neutral manner according to a consensus of uninvolved editors. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

OT where is this template taken from on WP? just curious. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 12:58, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

_{There's Template:HD, but I don't think the above is part of it. - X201 (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2017 (UTC)}

_{Thanks, but I'd like to know where this exact template (verbiage) is on WP.Maineartists (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)}

_{Best course of action is to ping @ColinFine: and shine a desk lamp in his face until he spills the beans. - X201 (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)}

_{Ha! Will do! Thanks! Cheers!Maineartists (talk) 13:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)}

• Hi ColinFine I've seen this template used before. Could you direct me as to its whereabouts on WP? Thanks! Maineartists (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

What template do you mean, Maineartists? I haven't used one in this thread. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. But I've seen this exact wording used before. Is it just your own reply? Maineartists (talk) 01:14, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I doubt if it was this exact working, Maineartists, since yes, I typed it out of my own head. --ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I believe it would make a great template, though. :) –FlyingAce^✈hello 17:42, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Metal foams

Dear Wikipedia experts, I tried many time to edit interesting videos and facts on the website "metal foam". But always my edited facts were deleted.

These are the following facts: - Metal foams are intresting for the application in dynamically highly stressed machines in machine tool building. Improved vibration damping in machine tools generally means a marked increase in the

 quality of manufacture, which generally turns operating costs lower or increases productivity.
 A good example for this is the Z-slide (constructed by the Niles-Simmons Industrieanlagen Chemnitz in cooperation with the Fraunhofer-Institut für Werkzeugmaschinen und Umformtechnik (Fraunhofer IWU) ) of 
 the machine tool Mikron HPM 1850 U, which has less mass, a higher dynamically stiffness and absorption and also it is the first massproduction of a machine-slide builted with steel-aluminium sandwiches.   
 More application areas for metal foams are heat shields, heat saggers, filters, catalyst support, sound-absorbing facing or the production of very lightweight, foamed roller for the print- and 
 paperindustry.

- Literature

     - Thomas Hipke, Günther Lange, René Poss: Taschenbuch für Aluminiumschäume. Aluminium-Verlag, Düsseldorf 2007, ISBN 978-3-87017-285-5.
     - Hannelore Dittmar-Ilgen: Metalle lernen schwimmen. In: Dies.: Wie der Kork-Krümel ans Weinglas kommt. Hirzel, Stuttgart 2006, ISBN 978-3-7776-1440-3, S. 74.

- Weblinks

     - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbUzOe4Gig
     - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lru9etGkhdM
     - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7v1K0wBxqY

I can't understand, why these things were deleted many times, because I think that this is very interesting and useful for people who want to inform themselves about metal foams. Especially the Z-slide is a good example for the application which has a good perspective.

I really hope you can help me and give me information how I can edit the information correctly on the website.

Thank you very much.

T. Hipke— Preceding unsigned comment added by T._Hipke (talk • contribs)

@T. Hipke: No comment on whether or not that content should be added or deleted but Youtube videos are almost never accepted as they are either user generated (not professional), or are advertising of some description, or are copyright violations. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Ian.thomson that is absolutely not correct. Many YouTube videos are absolutely reliable sources, although many more are not. For example, many news organizations post copies of news programs to an official YouTube channel. A YouTube video maut be checked just as any source must: Who published it, how reliable are they, etc. Copyvios are a particular concern on youtube, and user generated content is usually not acceptable. (However if it is generated by the subject of a bio, it will fall under WP:SPS, and be just as acceptable (but no more) than a transcript posted to the subject's own personal web site.) It is significantly more complex than editors who say "Oh YouTube, not acceptable" convey. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:41, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hence "almost." For most new users, it's easier for them to get it right if they view the acceptable videos as exceptions. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

changes keeps on changing back.

My notice: Hello, I'm 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I know Dr Micki Pistorius personally,

Most info on the page is not correct, for ewxample, she is not Catholic, nor family of Oscar Pistorius. Go and check out her " Who's who entry "

Lots of the media published the false news that Dr Micki Pistorius is family of Oscar Pistorius, BUT IT STAYS FALSE, GO and check out her family tree.

JUST BECAUSE MEDIA IS FALSLY STATING THINGS, doesn't make it true. isn't it the idea behind wikipedia, to get true facts out?

Thank you

The page in question:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micki_Pistorius

ALL that is true on the article, and some add ons.

Verified by Liezl Kok ( Dr Pistorius publict ) Verified by Dr. M Pistorius herself

extended article content

as follow: Micki Pistorius (born 19 March 1961 in Pretoria) is a South African psychologist, public speaker and author. She was the first criminal profiler in South Africa from 1994 to 2000. Her hobby is Bronze Age archaeology. (1) Early and personal life[edit] Pistorius grew up and matriculated in Pretoria. She obtained her BA at the University of Pretoria and worked as a journalist for eight years at newspapers, magazines and radio and television, She married a fellow journalist and decided to study psychology at the University of Pretoria. She obtained her Honours and Master’s degree in Psychology (Cum Laude) and registered with the Health Professions Council of South Africa as a psychologist. Upon registration in 1994, she was immediately appointed as the first psychological profiler to the South African Police Service. Two years later she completed her Doctorate Philosophiae Psychology on the forensic topic of serial killers with the thesis: "A psycho-analytical approach to serial killers". She divorced shortly after joining the South African Police Service. Her private passion for archaeology and antiquity inspired her to enroll and complete an Honours degree in Biblical Archaeology at UNISA. (1) Dr Pistorius is a member of the following professional bodies and associations: • Health Professions Council of SA • South African Society for Clinical Hypnosis • Psycho-legal peer review group, Pretoria • Associate member: SA Clinical Neuropsychological Association • Institute of Family Mediators • Mensa – Pretoria Gauteng • Who’s who in South Africa • SA Archaeological Association In 2010 she was awarded the prestigious Laureate Award from the University of Pretoria’s Alumni Association as International Lecturer and Forensic Psychologist.(1) Career[edit] Dr Micki Pistorius pioneered the concept of psychological profiling of criminals within the South African Police in 1994 and is internationally recognized as a trail blazer in this specialized field. She founded the Investigative Psychology Unit and served as its Commander for 6 years. She resigned in 2000 with the rank of deputy director, equivalent to full colonel.(1) During her career in the SAPS, she designed and developed basic and advanced curricula and rolled out the two courses to train more than 300 detectives in the investigation of serial killer and related crimes. She was invited by Centre International de Sciences des Criminelles et Penales to train detectives and European profilers in France for six years, and she lectured and trained detectives in Britain and Namibia.(1) In 2000 she resigned from the SAPS, and she joined a private investigation firm, specializing in commercial crimes. Here she expanded her profiling skills to corporate and intelligence profiling. In 2002 she resigned and returned for a while to her career as a television journalist, writing scripts and presenting crime series.(1) In 2005 she opened the doors to her private psychology practice to pursue a career as a psychologist, independent corporate consultant, lecturer, skills developer and author. Guiding regular people to deal with psychological afflictions such as depression, bi-polar disorders, anxieties, post-traumatic stress and other adjustment problems, was a welcome change for Dr Pistorius, who had by then reached a satiation point in working with criminals. Her therapeutic practice expanded rapidly and besides the above disorders, she found herself occupying a niche in relationship counselling and divorce therapy, as well as neuro-psychology and stress management. (1) She continued lecturing on international podia for example at the Association of Psychology and Psychiatry for Adults and Children congresses in Athens, Greece 2010 and 2016. In 2016 she developed and presented a neuro-psychological course on training teachers on the adolescent brain for Schools Company in the United Kingdom. Locally she presents stress seminars on executive level to corporate companies; psychodietics: healthy food, healthy brain seminars to the general public and seminars to educational institutions on adolescent brain development. (1) She authored seven books, six, published by Penguin SA. Books by Micki Pistorius[edit] • Heroes: A psychological insight into men’s perspectives on relationships. www.heroes-warriors.com: • Sorg Penguin (SA) 2006 ISBN 0-143-02519-8 • Skimme in Die Skadu Penguin (SA) 2006 ISBN 978-0-14-302517-7 • Profiling Serial Killers and other crimes in South Africa Penguin SA 2005 ISBN 0-14-302482-5[4] • Fatal Females Penguin SA 2004 ISBN 0-14-302440-X • Strangers on the street Penguin SA 2002 ISBN 0-14-100356-1 • Catch me a killer (autobiography) Penguin SA 2000 ISBN 0-14-029722-7[4] References[edit] 1 www.mickipistorius.co.za (updated 19/8/2017) External links[edit] • Who's who entry

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hgit (talk • contribs) 14:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

If you know the subject personally, then you have a conflict of interest and should not be directly editing the article. You can request changes on the article's talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Writing a page for the company

I am an intern trying to write a page for the company I work for (ArtSpace 8). I have been instructed to copy the biography from our artist book and website. Wikipedia is sending me notifications for deletion because it does not perceive my source (our ArtSpace 8 catalogue book) as a reliable source. Please tell me how to change the occurrence from happening as I work for the company and your website is not letting me post our own information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshArtSpace8 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

You need to read about conflict of interest, and paid editing. I am glad to see that you have now changed your and corporate user name. If you are copying from your company's catalogue it is not independent so not a reliable source, and if it has been published elsewhere you need to read about donating copyrighted material as otherwise its inclusion in Wikipedia would be a copyright violation. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

You might wish to inform your company that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a website that allows companies to post their own information. You have been given instructions to do something impossible. Sorry to make things difficult for you, but your company obviously doesn't understand Wikipedia. If your company is WP:Notable, then it will be possible to write an article about the company, but it will never be under the company's control. You need to find references where your company has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources, and it will be best to write it in WP:Draft space so that it can be checked and improved before being published. Dbfirs 06:44, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Updating pages across different languages

Hi Volunteer at Wikipedia,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I work for Champagne Armand de Brignac and we were tasked with updating all of the content across wikipedia for Armand de Brignac to match that which is on the English version of Wikipedia. On the english Wikipedia, we have lots of content and it is all appropriately sourced and non-promotional, etc., and in some languages we only had a few sentences. So we went through the process of translating the full english text and I want to put it in the Spanish Wikipedia for example translated into spanish but it still recognizes that the articles are copy-pasted from another wikipedia article and won't let me save. Is there any way around this? Thank you!

Best,

AdB Marketing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adbcoordinator (talk • contribs) 19:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

For editing on the English language Wikipedia you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing, but for problems swith editing the Spanish Wikipedia you need to ask there, perhaps at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't there be attribution issues? Taking the text from the English version and then putting it on another language from a single different account? - X201 (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

They will need to use Es:Plantilla:Traducido de for the es.wiki translated content. TimothyJosephWood 20:13, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Malware?

I'm not really sure where to bring this up, so I'm defaulting to the help desk. (It's not exactly appropriate for VPT because it doesn't involve wiki software.) Over the past several months, when following (and occasionally adding to references) links to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz (url is http://haaretz.com), I have noticed that various pages on the site—maybe all pages—make my browser go haywire. They defeat my pop-up blocker with not one but several pop-up windows. One of the pop-ups is supposed to be closable after a predefined period, but it cannot be reliably closed after that interval. In the meantime, other windows appear, some on the periphery of my screen where they're hard to grab, some behind the first window where they can't be grabbed at all. I have scads of memory and a pretty decent processor, and up until today all this was mainly an annoyance, slowing down Firefox (current version for Mac), occasionally to the point where a force quit was necessary. Today, things got a lot worse. The site appeared to grab control of Firefox to an extent I've never seen before: force quitting was impossible for several minutes, and after I was finally able to do that, Firefox could not be relaunched until I'd restarted the computer. At that point, checking my browsing history revealed that a total of 1,385 windows had popped up (all redirects to externally hosted pages). I have been unable to exactly replicate the problem in other browsers; pop-ups did occur but only two or three of them.

Haaretz is a major daily newspaper and generally a reliable source; we have more than a few links to it from refs in various articles. Nevertheless, the vast majority of newspaper-owned websites manage to avoid this kind of nonsense. This seems very much like malware to me. At the very least, it's piss-poor web design that we shouldn't be knowingly linking to. I'm wondering about the feasibility of blacklisting the site until the issue is resolved. Are there any brave souls running Firefox on Mac OS who might like to see if they can replicate what happened to me? Secondary question: anyone know of a WMF Labs tool to count the number of times a domain such as haaretz.com is linked across all articles? Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 20:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

To answer your last question, 212 see Special:LinkSearch - X201 (talk) 21:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. So 212 pages link to some page in the domain. Not as many as I thought there would be. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 21:25, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Rivertorch. You have to differentiate between automatic pop-ups and mouse-click (or event-triggered) pop-ups. Firefox will not allow automatic pop-ups from opening if you have checked the right box in your "Firefox>Content>Pop-ups>Block pop-up windows" preferences. However, blocking pop-ups using this option will not block mouse-click pop-ups or other event-triggered pop-ups. Rather than take up a project wide block of a reliable source like Haaretz, you could use the following option to block event-triggered pop-ups in Firefox.

1. Download the latest version of Firefox and block automatic pop-ups ("Firefox>Content>Pop-ups>Block pop-up windows").
2. In the address box, enter "about:config" (without the quotations).
3. In the next page, confirm to Firefox you understand what you're doing.
4. In the box you get subsequently, type "dom.popup_allowed_events" (without the quotes).
5. Double click on the same and you'll see a list of events that are still allowed to trigger pop-ups.
6. Keep removing one event at a time (or maybe a set of conjoint events) and check whether the event-triggered pop-ups were blocked; remove all the events if you want to control all types of event-triggered pop-ups, but that may interfere with normal editing (your choice).

This should work perfectly well. Write back if it doesn't. (Alternatively, if you don't want to follow the procedure above, simply press the <ctrl> button before clicking on any link; any event triggered pop-up that may open would open in the same frame rather than as a background window, allowing you to at least keep a track). Thanks. Lourdes 03:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your taking the time to offer such detailed advice, Lourdes. As I said, I'm running the latest version of Firefox and I do have automatic pop-ups blocked. Unfortunately, even removing all events under dom.popup_allowed_events made no difference at all.

I believe these are both automatic pop-ups and event-triggered pop-ups. Simply going to the Haaretz url triggers one or more popups (the number isn't always consistent) that appear within a few seconds of the page loading (regardless of whether I've moved the cursor or typed anything), and attempting to close the first pop-up or any subsequent one triggers a cascade of new ones appearing one after the other until everything locks up, unless I quickly close the first window (and I mean very quickly).

It occurs to me that even if your suggested solution had worked for me, it wouldn't solve the problem that led me to post here. I can avoid that one site or use a different browser when visiting it, but by including links to Haaretz in articles, we are directing our readers to a site that may crash their browser—or even make their computer hang and require a hard reboot—if they're running Firefox, at least. I don't think this is acceptable. In the course of my cyber life, on- and off-wiki, I visit scores if not hundreds of different sites more days than not, and I haven't encountered anything like this in years—and never from the site of a reputable entity. Maybe there's a browser hack or an app that would fix it, but that's pretty much beside the point; we cannot responsibly expect our readers to take special precautions before following an external link from the references section of a Wikipedia article. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 05:33, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I understand what you're referring to Rivertorch. For me, the workaround works very well. I have Firefox on a Mac; I have disabled event-triggered pop-ups in Firefox using the method mentioned above. And I have visited Haaretz multiple times and clicked on multiple links without being affected the way you describe (normal ads do open, but within the same frame – like in youtube.com – which you can skip). I've not experienced malware issues from Haaretz. Thanks. Lourdes 05:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't get it. I'll try a few more tricks and see what happens, but I'm pretty much stumped. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 06:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Drive by. Newspaper website works OK for me in Firefox in win10. -Roxy the dog. bark 17:56, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Double parenthetical disambiguation?

The title of Top Chef Romania (season 1), about a single season of a Romanian TV series, is inaccurate because the title of the series is now Top Chef Romania but Top Chef (see Top Chef (Romania)). The problem is that if we were to rename the season article to include the correct name for the series we would have Top Chef (Romania) (season 1), or possibly Top Chef (Romania, season 1). Biographical articles sometimes have doubly-disambiguating titles like John Smith (cricketer, born 1833), so I would lean toward the comma form over the double parentheses, but is there a guideline clarifying which of these is right? Or should something else altogether be used? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Arms & Hearts, the policy relevant to your question is Wikipedia:Article titles#Disambiguation. I believe the comma form seems more appropriate. In my opinion, this seems an uncontroversial move. Therefore, you can be bold and undertake the suggested move to the new title. Alternatively, you can start an informal discussion on the talk page of the said article to reach consensus (although I don't feel there should be much opposition). Thanks. Lourdes 02:39, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

The cricketing example used above, is also the way it is done with footballers with the same name, so the comma form is most likely appropriate. Eagleash (talk) 09:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Moved – thanks! – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)