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September 30

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Reference 43 is a book and should have the IBSN number I think. Please keep quote in. So Sorry 110.147.236.51 (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Although helpful, ISBN is not required. Since it was easy to find, I went ahead a added it. MB 04:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Aimee Challenor Speedy delete - Chaos

OK. I'm kinda at a loss about this. An anon just added a speedy delete tag to Aimee Challenor. I've seen vandalism on the page, so I reverted, but realized I was kind of hasty so I dug deeper. I then discovered that the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aimee Challenor in 2016 actually called for the article to be deleted, but... that never occurred. Instead, there was a change around that period that simply removed the tag.

I'm not comfortable with my removal of the tag, so I restored it. Not sure if the article deletion discussion should be reopened or the article deleted or the article kept.

Is there any way to get an admin or someone in authority to look at this? I'm a moderately experienced editor but I feel really out of my depth.

Thanks. --KNHaw ^(talk) 01:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Deletions aren't recorded in the page history. The article was deleted in 2016, and then again in 2017, and then draftified through a DRV in August, and then moved back to mainspace one day later. There were no procedural errors, and what needs to happen now is for someone to determine whether the recreation meets G4 or not, and G4 it if appropriate.

Regardless, the IP's WP:PROD (not the same things as a speedy deletion) was invalid as articles can't be prodded after having an AfD. I'm going to revert it. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention KNHaw. If you haven't seen it before you can find all of the past actions to an article by checking its logs section. You get to it by going to the revision history page and clicking on the "View logs for this page" link in the upper left corner. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both. I wasn't sure what to do. I'm glad to be able to pass the buck. *GRIN*. --KNHaw ^(talk) 04:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please see above to help me with edit RE. IBSN number for a book reference number 43 - thanks175.33.45.21 (talk) 03:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

No reason to ask again after just a few hours. As noted above, done. MB 04:55, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Baye McNeil (previously deleted/resubmission)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Baye_McNeil

Subject of article previously deleted has been in news quite a bit recently - locally and internationally: BBC, New York Times, etc. I believe article/subject merits a Wikipedia entry. How can I retrieve old, deleted article and edit it?

Thanks! Ray Jameson (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ray Jameson:Take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. I don't spend any time over there, so I'm not an expert, but I think this fits. You might want to get those new reliable sources documented first.-Arch dude (talk) 05:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Ray Jameson (talk) 05:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

quick question

If an editor doubts the reliability of a source, but cannot verify, can they revert? Benjamin (talk) 10:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Benjaminikuta, You could start by adding this template {{Dubious}}. Ideally, you will follow that up by opening up a discussion on the article talk page explaining your concerns about the veracity of the source or other reasons for questioning whether the conclusion belongs in the article.S Philbrick(Talk) 13:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Cocktail and cocktail related pages

The user doctorx0079 has assured me he is going to revert any edit i make to the cocktail pages because he shows an obvious bias towards a particular author. His bias effects the integrity of the pages, seeing as they are wildly inaccurate. I am suggesting that this mod not be allowed to moderate those pages given thier obvious bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C6E1:BDC1:A87F:C0E0:E4D:CAC (talk) 11:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Have you opened up a discussion with the editor?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:31, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

He has already promised to revert, ehat is there to discuss? They refuse to read legitimate references while buying into completely false ones. Like the chicago tribune from 1888 democracy in trouble, which is referenced atleast a DOZEN times does not EXIST. The page exist, but what he says is on the page is complete fabrication, even chicago tribune themselves say they dont have access, so how does he? He lied. Call them and tell me im lying. Not just that but any reference david wondrich makes is like that. He also makes his own edits like "the worlds most premuer cocktail historian" who the fuck talks like that unless they are narcissistic and talking about themselves. Whats worse is because of wikipedia everyone believes him blindly.

There's a lot to discuss. Even if you don't think it will be fruitful, most editors are not going to get involved unless they see some good faith efforts by you to resolve the dispute. You haven't even yet defined the articles in question. The next step is to open up a discussion with the editor either on their talk page are on the relevant articles talk page. If that fails to reach a resolution, see Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution for next steps. This help desk is not intended for handling editor disputes; our main role is to provide you with advice on how to proceed, as I have done.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I did as you requested and left a message on thier page and the cocktail talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C6E1:BDC1:A87F:C0E0:E4D:CAC (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The message this IP left on that user's talkpage was inflammatory, including "dipshit", and was redacted by another editor before I got there. This IP has also been removing talkpage comments of others from drink-related articles, for which I have warned it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:24, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The user is now making legal threats on their talkpage. I warned them per Wikipedia:No legal threats, what can be done at this point? Not sure you can take an IP to ANI.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 18:23, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

You most certainly can take an IP to ANI. DuncanHill (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Sissinghurst Castle Garden - Help with a plan/diagram

I am working on an expansion of the above. It really needs a plan/diagram to help readers understand the layout of the castle and the surrounding gardens. Something like this, [1] would be ideal. However, I suspect that is a copyright infringement, as it appears to be a, very slightly reworked, mirror image of a plan that appears on the inside front cover of the 2008 National Trust guide. Does Wikipedia have anywhere that one can request a plan/diagram be drawn? I'm afraid it's far beyond my limited technical ability. Thanks in advance. KJP1 (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

KJP1, Try checking at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab, probably under the illustration section or maybe the map section.S Philbrick(Talk) 13:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed. Shall toddle over there now. KJP1 (talk) 13:31, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Laird

Please help - the "publication" section of citation number 18 is badly written. Please fix and leave in quote if able Thanks 175.33.45.21 (talk) 13:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:CIR. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I didn't mean for the whole paragraph to be removed - only the publisher section of citation number 18 to be re-written. Thanks175.33.45.21 (talk) 13:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

As you have been repeatedly told, the help desk is not your personal citation fix resource. Please learn how to fix these yourself. If you show good faith efforts toward learning how to incorporate citations, editors will be more than willing to help you if you occasionally get stuck, but patience is growing thin with your repeated attempts to just throw something up and then come running here asking someone to fix it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:18, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

It's a shame that the ANI thread about this got archived without any action.... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:35, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Can I reference printed materials?

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm hosting an editathon soon. I have lots of printed materials / physical books / magazines / newspaper cuttings that could be useful for our editathon. Do materials referenced in wikipedia articles have to be available online, or can we reference printed resources? I also have subscription-only online journals and magazines, can we reference those even if Wikipedia readers may not be able to access the resource? Vbenguiat girlscode (talk) 14:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Vbenguiat girlscode, Certainly! See WP:OFFLINE Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

→Perfect. Many thanks! Vbenguiat girlscode (talk) 14:55, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Vbenguiat girlscode, I suggest that you use the cite book or cite journal templates as indicated in that article. We don't normally give url links to journal abstracts, only full text. Subscription-only websites should be indicated. Examples: Jobling, James A (2010). The Helm Dictionary of Scientific Bird Names. London: Christopher Helm. pp. 133, 238. ISBN 978-1-4081-2501-4.:: McComb, A M G; Kernohan, R; Mawhirt, P; Robinson, B; Weir, J; Wells, B (2010). "Great spotted woodpecker (Dendrocopos major): proof of breeding in Tollymore Forest Park, Co. Down". Irish Naturalists' Journal. 31: 66–67.:: del Hoyo, Josep; Elliott, Andrew; Sargatal, Jordi; Christie, David A; de Juana, Eduardo, eds. (2013). "Family Picidae: Woodpeckers". Handbook of the Birds of the World Alive. Barcelona: Lynx Edicions. Retrieved 13 December 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Asia Cup photo

What is going on? That is/was certainly a surprise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:9205:A63:56D:E811:6F9C:72EF (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

What are you referring to? There is no photo in the article Asia Cup. If you refer to the "In the news" section at Main Page then the current photo File:Ibrahim Mohamed Solih - Maldives (cropped).jpg belongs to the item "Ibrahim Mohamed Solih (pictured) is elected President of the Maldives." PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Changing text in bracket

Consider the template [Template:BBKL]. In that template, the text 'in German' is written inside brackets. I would like to know the changes that needs to be made If I need to display it in reverse form ie. 'German in'. I am not going to make any changes in English wikipedia but in another wikipedia. Adithyak1997 (talk) 16:41, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Adithyak1997. I'm afraid that string is generated deep inside the Template code: I think it is in a LUA module. If you look at the source of the template Template:BBKL, you will see that it collects parameters, and passes them to Template:cite book, including the parameter "language = de". If you look at the documentation for that template, it says "language: The language in which the source is written. Displays in parentheses with "in" before the language name or names. Use the full language name or ISO 639-1 code. When the source uses more than one language, list them individually, separated by commas, e.g. |language=French, German."

But if you "View source" for that template, you will see that there is very little Wikimarkup code there: it simply calls a module:

{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation
|CitationClass=book
}

If you are successfully using the template in another Wikipedia, then the underlying template and module have presumably been ported to that Wikipedia. If it is generating some of the text in English rather than the language of the Wikipedia, then that part has not been translated, and it would be a public service for you to correct it. But I'm afraid you will need to learn how to edit Lua modules to make the change. (Also, that template and module may be protected: they certainly are in the English Wikipedia, because they are used in so many places, that a mistake in editing could break thousands of articles). --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Different wikis have different templates. It may not work the same way in another wiki. Template:BBKL uses Template:Cite book which uses Module:Citation/CS1 which uses Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration where the line ['language'] = '(in $1)', is used to produce 'in German'. ['language'] = '($1 in)', would produce 'German in' at Template:BBKL and lots of other places. Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration is used in 3.9 million English pages and many of them have a language parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

ml.wiki? then ml:module:Citation/CS1/Configuration line 83. That file exists for internationalization. I think that all of the cs1|2 template output is handled through there (if something isn't, let me know and I'll fix it).—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The template and config are copied from here. You're seem to be active at ml.wiki and you need to edit the config at ml:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration. Search for the line ['language'] = '(in $1)', and change it to ['language'] = '($1 in)', swapping the order or using the local word for "in". –Ammarpad (talk) 17:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

YThanks a lot. It worked.Adithyak1997 (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I need to change my user name, email addres and password. Ive

My personal information is now on the dark web as result of the Adobe and Facebook hacks. My user name is my hacked email address. I need to change my user name, email address and password. I see the way to change my password but not the user name . . . Desperate - Thank you for your help, Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boblund@boblund.com (talk • contribs) 16:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Instructions are at Wikipedia:Changing username. MilborneOne (talk) 16:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

How can I use or open wikipedia?

I want to make a biodata in Wikipedia so what can I do for it? How can I edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awubakkar (talk • contribs) 22:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Awubakkar. I'm not quite sure what you mean. If you wish to write a neutral, factual, article about somebody (not yourself), based on reliable published sources, you are most welcome; but it is a difficult task, and I would recommend that you spend some time editing existing articles first. Please see your first article.

If what you want to do is publish a CV or profile of yourself or somebody you are associated with, then please find a more suitable site to do it. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social networking site or a directory. --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)