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Amway Australia

Amway Australia

Key people: Christine Terrill (General Manager) This is the top position in Amway Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.168.178.156 (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

If you'd like to suggest a correction to the article Amway Australia, please make the suggestion on Talk:Amway Australia. Be sure to present your evidence for its veracity. -- Hoary (talk) 04:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I report a page that may have been created to put out false information about the 2020 US Election

Transition Integrity Project seems to be an attempt to misrepresent the concerns about a group that was looking into Donald Trump and the RNC stealing the 2020 election. The page clearly tries to distort the facts. How do I get someone to review or take down the page? I made some edits to make it more factual but I fear they will just be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbierman (talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatchSlab2021 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Click on it, add your content, and then save. Viriditas (talk) 02:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@CatchSlab2021: However, you should probably go ahead and use the "articles for creation" process (see WP:YFA) and create a draft instead. the draft will get the attention of reviewers who will help you get it into good shape. Once the draft is accepted, they will move it into main space, which will turn that read link blue. Make a note on the talk page of the draft that the red link is already there and that your draft is about that subject and not another subject of the same name. -Arch dude (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Codes

How do I get an unlock code for a moto g supra — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddragon1010 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about the use of Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 04:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Category lists

My talk page was listed in a blocked users category, months back. The block was removed. Naturally I cannot edit the list - how do I update the category list which still includes my page? GerixAu (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerixau: I'm puzzled. With this edit, you added Category:Indefinitely blocked Wikipedians to your talk page. A couple of minutes later, you changed it to Category:Wikipedians who are indefinitely blocked for a violation of the Terms of Use. I imagine that means you can remove it from User talk:Gerixau#March 2020 yourself (remove the category from that section by editing it). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, AlanM1. Learning all the time GerixAu (talk) 07:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Article Publishing.

Hello, I would like to know. How long does it take for an article to be published? As I've created an article more then 15 days and still shows as draft. Draft:Webclift Airways — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathrow0003 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Heathrow0003: Your draft has not been submitted for review, but I'm afraid it would surely be rejected. Wikipedia articles are created for notable subjects, summarizing what independent, reliable sources have written about the subject. Multiple such sources must exist, and their coverage must be substantial, not just passing mentions. The only source that has been cited in your draft is the proposed airline's own website and Google search for "Webclift Airways" returns exactly two results (highly unusual for Google), both to that same website. Please see the links above, as well as WP:TOOSOON, WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and WP:NOTPROMO. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Public Schools Club

Ref number 1 is all wrong - I know I have tried not to annoy you but this is serious - I need you to do this. Sorry and thanks 175.33.139.143 (talk) 09:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

"Missing or empty |title=" —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

To refresh your memory (as you have been told on countless occasions), at the top of this Help Desk page it says "If you have comments about a specific article, use that article's talk page." In this case the talk page for Public Schools Club is at Talk:Public Schools Club. A further reminder that where the error message includes the word "help" in blue, this leads you to specific help for the error in question, in this case Help:CS1_errors#citation missing title. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

To the OP, your help is appreciated, but it is long past the time where you should learn how to do these things yourself, or at least make edit requests on the appropriate article talk pages. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I knew in my heart that you would be annoyed. Honestly, I think that putting a message for help on the article's talk page is not a good idea, no one looks at that. I cannot see where to put the "missing title", I won't edit again, as I've promised before. I am, however, proud of the editing I did on this article, so I can only hope that someone can repair the bad citation I did for ref number 1. Sorry again 175.33.139.143 (talk) 12:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall saying that I was annoyed, and I do not feel annoyed. Nor have you been asked to never edit again. I'm trying to help you to help yourself. If you mark a talk page message as a formal edit request, it will be seen by other editors, as it appears in a category of such requests. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

You have made many edits where you have managed to include a title within the reference. You are familiar with the idea of parameters. I.e. the 'markup' |xxx=. Add |title= and include the title after the equals sign but before the next pipe. Eagleash (talk) 12:48, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Merged thread

I know this request upsets people but refs 1 and 3 are from old newspapers are very hard for me to do. please assist. I used to be able to do this but the google format has changed. I have read the advice given yesterday but had no luck - it all got worse in fact. I'm very sorry. 175.33.139.143 (talk) 01:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Multiple editors have asked over the last five years or so 'why' it is so hard for you to do simple edits that everyone else manages. However, I do not ever recall seeing a response. It would be helpful to all if editors were able to understand where the problem lay. Eagleash (talk) 02:07, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eagleash - thanks for the feedback. I can almost always do titles of books etc but these two refs are old newspapers. And the format (when I press on the link after a successful search) has changed in the last few days (I think) so its hard for me to do. I'm sorry. I cant do it. and I want the page to look correctly done.175.33.139.143 (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Another merged thread

Please see my response to the very patient editor called "Eaglish". Please, can someone do the correct refs - 1 and 3. They are both from old newspapers and I am at a loss. 175.33.139.143 (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

A few days ago, I spent some time carefully explaining an issue you had with Christian Darnton (here) in the hopes you would learn and fix it yourself. I've no idea whether you saw it (because we can't ping an IP address, and I'm supposed to ignore the fact that you have an account you won't use), but you certainly didn't fix the article. Like others, I'm puzzled as to why you can't insert a simple title parameter. You have:

{{Cite web |url=https://foo.bar/com/baz |date=31 August 2020 |...}}

without a title. You simple need to insert the title parameter:

{{Cite web |url=https://foo.bar/com/baz |date=31 August 2020 |title=This is the title |...}}

Stop worrying about our mood and apologizing. We need to understand how to get you to be able to fix these simple issues yourself or understand how it's possible that you can create all these cites but still not understand them at all. And please log-in so we can communicate effectively. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I did it!!! not sure how, but I placed the title (of the publication) in an area at the beginning (after the date as you advised) of the whole citation. Thanks for being patient. 175.33.139.143 (talk) 06:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

1000 ha. or square kilometre.

Hello! I've been reading on the page List of countries by forest area. I might add the 2020 numbers someday but there's two different methods of writing the amount of forest area, one table uses numbers by 1000 ha., and the other two tables list them by square kilometre. And there might be even other methods used in Wikipedia. Which of these should be used per Wikipedia guidelines? Thanks in advance. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: What a mess. Guidelines do not generally prescribe a usage for all articles, but each article should be consistent, as with reference style and English variant. 100 Hectare is one km², so 1000 h = 10 km². Ouch. In my opinion, The entire article should consistently use one or the other in all tables. Note that you do not need to use the units that a reference used since we permit simple numeric computations. In inline text, consistently use one but with the other in parentheses, using {{convert}}. Either be bold (WP:BOLD), or discuss on the article's talk page first. -Arch dude (talk) 17:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok so maybe it's time for some guidelines to make this easier for users, and to avoid future edit wars/problems. Setting up a guideline is probably easier than to edit articles back and forth for eternity. Thanks for responding. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: We try to avoid having too many guidelines. I think the general rule of "use whatever convention the article started with, but be consistent thereafter" should suffice. Note that I did not recommend one or the other choice: I recommended consistency. -Arch dude (talk) 01:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I use this source. I will just copy the exact same numbers on pages 136-142. They list them as 1 000 ha. Where do I put the comma? For instance for Afghanistan is it 1,208 for all years? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: Do you still have the question about the comma, or do you consider this done? One one hand, your last edit gives the impression it's done, on the other, many numbers, such as those for Russia, Brazil and the two Congos are different from the source. ◅ Sebastian 10:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@SebastianHelm: No, I've already edited the entire page. It's done now. If you click on the provided link, and go to pages 136-142, the numbers of those countries you mentioned are the same. Notify me if you've found some that aren't. Thanks Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 11:04, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I now see the source of confusion: You used table A1, while I used table A2. Interesting how close the values are, so that they often even are the same. ◅ Sebastian 12:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Importing images from Wikimedia Commons to Wikipedia articles.

Hi Wikipedia Help Desk,

I'm just wondering, how do you import/transfer image files from Wikimedia Commons into a Wikipedia article? I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, and it would be quite helpful and useful to know! I have also (accidently and unknowingly) received some copyright strikes from other Wikipedia users, regarding some images I have copied from the internet, and pasted them into relevant to articles, to help readers with explaining what the article is referring to, by giving them visual cues, which sometimes help to clarify or justify, and give some sense or meaning to the relevant article. Problem is, those images were promptly taken down, and those images were flagged as copyrighted, which is unfortunate, because I thought those were great images, and I didn't mean any harm by adding them. My intentions were good, and I want to be constructive with my edits, and help improve Wiki articles.

Thanks, Davism0703 (talk) 10:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Davism0703: If you find an image at Commons that you wish to use, you will see a link in the toolbar in the upper middle part of the Commons page (by the Wikipedia logo) a link to 'use this file on a Wiki' clicking on that will provide you with a pre-formatted link to use on Wikipedia pages. If using in an infobox add in the 'image = ' parameter but do not use any formatting just 'XXXX.jpg'.

Please do not use external images; as you have found out, Wikipedia takes copy-vio rather seriously and infringing same can land you in difficulty! Cheers. Eagleash (talk)

@Davism0703: As you discovered, relevance and quality do not matter when the image is copyrighted. We adhere to the copyright law of the United States, where our servers are located. We have no discretion in this: it's not just some fussy Wikipedia rules. If you can create some good images yourself, you will be the copyright owner and you can license them to everyone under a CC-BY-SA license. -Arch dude (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Question on "Discussion procedure on merging Wikipedia articles"

Good afternoon. I would like to ask a question relevant to the Wikipedia: Merging.

It has been suggested that Ventilative cooling be merged into Passive cooling.

I would like to oppose to this merge proposal since the 2 topics appear similar but are different and they should be left as separate articles.

My problem is that the suggested merge appears only in the Passive cooling & Ventilative cooling main articles, and there is no specific section in the Talk:Passive cooling.

Should I create a new section Merge proposal in the Talk:Passive cooling to oppose to this proposal and start a discussion?

Thank you in advance for your help M.Caps79 (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@M.Caps79: Yes, the merge tags should have contained a link to a discussion (see WP:MERGEPROP). You are quite welcome to start the discussion and it may be an idea to ping the editor who proposed the merger so they can give their reasoning. Eagleash (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash:Thank you for your help! I will proceed as proposed. M.Caps79 (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Mismatching the link provided.

Dear Sir/Madam, Greetings for the day....

Kindly cross check the link provided with refer to the villages in Guntur Dist. Andhra Pradesh- India. One of the village in guntur dist named as peravali, the hyperlink shown in the wikipedia directing it to peravali mandal which is located in another dist. (West Godhavari) in AP- which is a mandal. Kindly find link pasted for your reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peravali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.31.113.109 (talk) 12:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Next time, feel free to fix the error yourself, or else tell us where exactly the error is; apparently the artcile Peravali itself is OK, so I had to check Special:WhatLinksHere/Peravali to see that the offending link was in List of villages in Guntur district. I fixed the error in this edit, leaving a hidden comment warning whoever comes next about the homonym situation. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:09, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Article for Review

My account name is SilverStylus. On August 28 at about 3:00 p.m. EST, I attempted to submit for review an article on the subject Elizabeth Whiteley. The yellow box appeared and at the bottom of it advised me to move the article. I pressed the move link, in blue, and everything disappeared. I can't find a tracker to know whether the article is in the review queue. Could you please check? Is it in the queue? Or, did I accidentally delete it and should I start again? Many thanks for your help and advice. Also, as a former librarian, I deeply appreciate Wikipedia.

SilverStylus (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

SilverStylus Your account edit history indicates no edits (visible or deleted) about that topic. If you did create such a draft, you never clicked "publish changes"(which should be understood to simply mean "save changes") or submitted it for a review, or you created the draft under a different account. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@SilverStylus: I don't see page about Elizabeth Whiteley on English Wikipedia, and you have no contributions to other Wikimedia-operated sites. Are you sure you created it on this site, and not some other wiki (Fandom, etc.)? I notice that you created User:SilverStylus/sandbox, but that was at 2020-08-26T08:57:15 (EDT). You apparently asked that it be deleted, and it was, at 2020-08-28T15:10:13 (EDT). If that's the page, you can get it back (see WP:REFUND). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@SilverStylus: Ignore the second part about the sandbox – I see now that 331dot said "no edits (visible or deleted)", which I guess means that the sandbox was not related to your question. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

High Sheriff of Nottinghamshire

I just wanted to improve the page with the correct info — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.37.178 (talk) 14:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to improve it. You can be WP:BOLD and make the changes yourself, or you can start a discussion on the article's talk page stating what you think should be changed along with the sources for it. RudolfRed (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, IP user. It's not clear to me why Serols reverted your addition of an infobox, as they didn't give an edit summary. The message they put on your user talk page looks to me like a standard one, so I think they were using a semi-automated tool. My guess is that the tool noticed a large addition with no edit summary explaining why, and no references, and concluded that it was probably vandalism; but I don't know. It looks to me as if your addition was good, but the thing to do now is to open a discussion on the talk page Talk:High Sheriff of Nottinghamshire asking Serols why they removed it and explaining why you think it is a worthwhile addition. Normally I would say to ping Serols there, but I have pinged them here, so they may come here and explain. I haven't looked to see if the information you added in the infobox is already in the article, and referenced; but if not, that would be a good idea: infoboxes should normally summarise information already in the article with references. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi 82.10.37.178, the infobox had nothing to do with the article. ColinFine thanks for the ping. Regards --Serols (talk) 11:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Personal Profile

Good day Wikipedia Team

I hope this message finds you well.

I would like to know if one is allowed to provide you with individual and company business people for marketing purposes, to be published via Wikipedia.

Kindly advise requirements and process.

Your kind cooperation is greatly appreciated.

Yours sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.164.80 (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes and has nothing to do with any marketing efforts. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (see WP:NOT), and has articles on subjects that are notable (WP:N)) by our definition. You should look for appropriate social media sites or business sites instead. -Arch dude (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Green Grabbing/Johan Eliasch

I write to you with reference to the content of Green Grabbing:

The article in the Guardian by John Vidal is factually incorrect: Whilst I have bought 400,000 acres of land in the Amazonas, I have never asked any person to buy land in the Amazonas. Neither has Cool Earth ever sought or claimed to have bought land.

It is true that the Brazilian government have been critical of foreign buyers of rainforest, but I have never been accused by the Brazilian government to be a Green Grabber. Mr Vidal's article does not refer to me as a Green Grabber, and his definition of green grabbing extends to those who acquire rainforest for gain through carbon emission trading or eco-tourism, neither of which I have ever engaged in. My rainforest is purely for conservation purposes at great cost, and Cool Earth financially support local NGO’s with funding mainly for rainforest local community projects. By Vidal’s own definition I cannot be characterised as ‘Green Grabber’.

I have never, nor have I ever been accused of expunging indigenous or peasant communities from my land. To the opposite, I have made land available to local indigenous populations for their benefit to make livelihoods out harvesting fruits and nuts.

I hope I have explained why your post is factually incorrect, the inferences you draw from Vidal's article have no foundation, and is defamatory. Please kindly remove the reference to myself without delay.

Johan Eliasch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.71.1.37 (talk) 16:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have looked at the article Green grabbing and the Guardian article. I have no opinion on the topic.

The Wikipedia article reports that which the Guardian has said. Wikipedia records what is said by, for example, reliable newspapers. I cannot comment on their report. This is something you will wish to take up with them.

There are no inferences drawn from the Guardian article on Wikipedia, It has recorded faithfully what is said by the newspaper. Fiddle Faddle 16:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to expedite discussions on this matter please follow this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_legal_threats#Defamation

There is information here for those who consider that they have been defamed to seek to right that wrong Fiddle Faddle 16:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The Guardian article mentions over 10 organisations and individuals, while the Wikipedia article just mentions one individual and his organisation, which I think gives undue weight to Eliasch and Cool Earth in the article. On the other hand the Cool Earth article has been largely written by several single purpose accounts so it may have been influenced by the organisation. TSventon (talk) 10:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Help to create Sapna Choudhary and Swarup Solanki Articles

Hello I am new in Wikipedia I want your help to Create Article About

1st, Sapna Choudhary She is popular known dancer an, she have well reputation on internet but still Its block or ban
2nd, Swarup Solanki He is popular young generation entrepreneur, cyber security researcher, an he have well reputation on internet but still his article is block or ban

Requested to help creating article about Sapna Choudhary Swarup Solanki both are block or ban because some Vandalism recreating and spamming on both article, but I researcher on both Sapna Choudhary Swarup Solanki both are well known and have reputation on internet with multi valid references, I requested to you please help to create these article if possible
Priyanka Gupta Sharma (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: There is currently a declined draft at Draft:Sapna Choudhary. There could be one about the other topic as well – one of the tactics employed by the persistent spammers involved is apparently changing the spelling slightly. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Priyanka Gupta Sharma: Being popular and "have well reputation on internet" have no influence on the notability requirement to have an article here. Please read and understand that link. If you think you have, for each of them, at least three reliable sources that have written a significant piece (at least a few paragraphs, not just a sentence or two), independent of the subject (not based on an interview with them or a press release), then please cite those sources here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: and other potential responders: See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Swarup Kumar Solanki. --Finngall ^talk 20:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)