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November 21

Descriptions of the 1RR and CRP options in Template:Gs/talk notice

When the 1RR and Consensus required restrictions are added in the Template:Gs/talk notice by typing {{Gs/talk notice|topic|long|1rr=yes|consensusrequired=yes}}, the template generates descriptions of those two restrictions. Where does the text of these descriptions come from? I don't see them in the source code at Template:Gs/talk notice. They should match WP:Consensus required.

For an example, see Talk:Maryam Rajavi. Kolya Butternut (talk) 01:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: The text comes from Module:Sanctions. The notice at the top of Module talk:Sanctions says changes should be discussed at Template talk:Gs, so you should post there. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

What happened to the signature gallery?

We used to have a page where users could place their signatures as examples to other users, but I can't find it. anyone have any idea? I know I've edited it at some point but I don't want to go through all 3000+ of my edits to find it. --Squeeps10 (Talk to me) (please ping me when replying) 01:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, I found it --Squeeps10 (Talk to me) (please ping me when replying) 02:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft

Hello, I stumbled upon a draft, Draft:NBA Playoff Predictions 2020-2021 that is a bit misguided. It is a lengthy paragraph about their NBA predictions and doesn't belong as a draft. However, I didn't know what criteria it fell under to be deleted in this case. Could someone take a look for me? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 02:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Try MfD? If it were in userspace it'd be an easy U5, but drafts don't have an equivalent criterion. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 02:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be: G15 for "Clearly unencyclopedic content"...Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{please ping me} 03:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTOPINION. One egregious example (of many): "[Stephen Curry] is the greatest shooter of all time. They [should] also just trade for kelly Oubre jr for the Andre Iguodala trade exception and 21 1st Round Pick top 3 protected from the thunder." Clarityfiend (talk) 05:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Clarityfiend: any objections to starting an RfC to create CSD G15? Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{please ping me} 20:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

No objection to starting an RfC, but I would vote against the proposal. All "clearly unencyclopedic content" is doing is saying it's not encyclopedic because it's not encyclopedic, and "clearly" is in the eye of the beholder. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Find a category

What is the name of the category containing pages with transcluded templates that should be substituted? JsfasdF252 (talk) 03:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@JsfasdF252: Category:Wikipedia substituted templates. In case of template categories, it is often good to find one example and then looking for something that looks like it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

That's not what I'm looking for; I mean pages with templates in Wikipedia substituted templates transcluded in them. JsfasdF252 (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@JsfasdF252: Oh... Well, afaik there is none, as accidentially non-substed instances are automatically substed by AnomieBOT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@JsfasdF252: I tried it on my sandbox with {{Unsigned}} and didn't get any categories. The bot probably just does a search for pages that transclude templates that are in Category:Wikipedia templates to be automatically substituted. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Try adding this: {{ {{{|safesubst:}}}#if: <!-- substituted --> | | [[Category:Pages with templates requiring substitution]]}} JsfasdF252 (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

French Jewish documents - Copyright status

Hi Folks!! This might be a specialist question. What would be the copyright status of French documents that were created as a result of Holocaust, e.g. identity papers, forged identity papers to enable folk to escape and so on. Would they be public domain per chance? I'm specifically thinking about this image [1] Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 13:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The copyright status of Vichy and Occupied France is an absolute mess; not only do Prorogations de guerre come into place (some of which have subsequently been repealed and some of which haven't), but if the person involved is deemed Mort pour la France the work remains copyright for a different (and longer) period and won't expire until the 2040s. As regards these specific items, you'd likely be better off asking on Commons, as that's where the people with expertise in French images will be found. (The rough rule with France when it comes to images is "always assume it's not allowed on Wikipedia"—French laws on image rights are insanely restrictive.) ‑ Iridescent 16:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Iridescent: I did a search at Wikipedia Commons and found nothing on a bunch of different search terms, on common French things related to that time, and not a single image came up. It is surprisingly empty on a period that created a lot of history and a lot of large archives. Reams and reams of documents, but not much image specific content that is usable by us. I'll see what Wikipedia commons says. scope_creep^Talk 19:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

So restrictive, in fact, that it's illegal to take a photo of the Eiffel Tower at night. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{please ping me} 23:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Squeeps10: Illegal to take or to publish a photo that you took? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:50, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, I had hear it was take, but apparently it's publish. Either way it's an incredibly restrictive law. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{please ping me} 23:59, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

A-Z Index

I can't find an A-Z Index of entries in Wiktionary. Indexguy (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Indexguy: Try wikt:Special:AllPages. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Indexguy. Wiktionary is a separate project. and it would be better to ask at Wikt:WT:Information Desk. But, looking at Wikt:WT:Index, it looks to me as if nobody has bothered to compile an idnex for English. If you want a list of all pages in the main space of Wiktionary, see Wikt:Special:AllPages. --ColinFine (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Games Getting Cancelled by Covid-19

If Games Continue to Be cancelled because of covid-19 we will either watch that stupid boring MTV Show Ridiculousness With Rob Dyrdek Steel Lo Brim And Channel West Coast or listen to that stupid boring crappy BOB FM. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM, as you should know by now, this is a help desk for editing Wikipedia pages not general chat. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Sidney Powell

 Courtesy link: Sidney Powell

You should be ashamed of yourselves for allowing contributors like VICE and BISINESS INSIDER to plant opinions in her profile. You are shameful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.87.155.19 (talk) 16:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

If you have any other reliable sources, please discuss them on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

It's not a profile, it's an encyclopedia article about her. The article does not have to follow Sidney Powell's or her staff's own opinion but can instead contain any views covered by reliable sources. JIP | Talk 21:47, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The accusation that Vice or Business Insider are "planting opinions" in her article is laughable on its face. Just because we're citing them does not mean we're adopting their editorial slant, same as when we cite Le Monde diplomatique or Fox. Indeed, most claims of a controversial nature tend to require attribution to the source that makes the claim at a minimum - not just a citation, but "according to (foo)..." —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 22:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

In the view of the far-right, any citation from an independent or left-wing medium is "planting opinions". It's never the other way around, though. JIP | Talk 22:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss this in detail is Talk:Sidney Powell. Britmax (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

citation is added

I have added a citation of blog where poem on Abhinandan Varthaman is written. Hope it is oaky? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumantjuvekar (talk • contribs) 18:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Sumantjuvekar: you are getting close to violating the "three revert" rule on the Abhinandan Varthaman article. Please see WP:3RR. Please open a discussion on the article's talk page and try (try really hard) to reach a consensus before continuing to edit the article. I hope that you and the other editors can reach a consensus. This can be very difficult when editors live on opposite sides of the Indo-Pakistani border as may be the case here, so it is critical that you remain polite and assume good faith WP:AGF. If you cannot reach a consensus, go to WP:DISPUTE. The suitability of a blog as a reference is uncertain but may be acceptable in this instance: you should discuss this there. -Arch dude (talk) 19:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Lint errors from template

This started with WP:LintHint throwing an error on a page that looked OK. Taking out {{Collapsed infobox section begin}} and {{Collapsed infobox section end}} fixed the errors.

While troubleshootin the error I discovered that when I cut and paste the example from Template:Collapsed infobox section begin into the tester at LintHint I get "Missing end tag div" and "Stripped tags div" errors. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Note the {{collapsed infobox section end}} is commented out. Uncommenting it and then putting the whole thing into the |module= makes lint happy, but doesn't work right, hiding only the website:

Tim Template
Tim in 2012
Born	(2000-01-01) January 1, 2000
Alma mater	Wikipedia
Biographical data Website Official website

{{Infobox person
| name = Tim Template
| image = wikipedia.png
| caption = Tim in 2012
| module = {{collapsed infobox section begin|Biographical data|titlestyle=background-color:#eee}}
| birth_date = {{birth date and age|2000|1|1}}
| alma_mater = Wikipedia
| website = {{official website|www.wikipedia.org}}
{{collapsed infobox section end}}
}}

Pinging Neveselbert, who was the last to do significant work on it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place. Could someone please look at the LintHint errors on the COVID-19 pandemic page? I am having a heck of a time figuring how to make the errors go away. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The Definition of Vandalism for 3RR purposes.

A user has now twice removed sourced content from Enhanced Fujita scale without any explanation. I have warned them following the second removal, but I am concerned about how permissible it would be for me to keep reverting if this continues. The editing is disruptive, and the edit summaries uncivil, but the edits seem to technically be in good faith, even if the only discernible reasoning appears to be WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Do the rules of edit warring, such as the three-revert rule, apply to this kind of edit? And what of (pertaining to similar incidents) the addition of unsourced content to non-BLP articles? Please ping me with any responses.TornadoLGS (talk) 22:29, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS: Yes the edit-warring rules apply. You should open a discussion with the other editor on the article's talk page and point out that the current (weak) consensus favors inclusion of EFU. Whenever you are worried about WP:3RR, escalate (WP:DISPUTE). Once you have tried in good faith to engage the other editor, then if that editor continues to be uncivil, a block will likely ensue.-Arch dude (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thank you for your response. I did suggest, in my warning, that the editor take the dispute to the article's talk page, with a link to said page. Thus far, they have ignored this and simply removed the EFU content again, which was reverted by another editor with a second warning. Would you suggest pinging the user to the talk page before any further removals? Since I am an "involved editor" should I not post any further warnings? TornadoLGS (talk) 04:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS: I've gone and left them a warning that they are about to break 3RR. If it persists you can take it up with the edit warring noticeboard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:36, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Uh-oh deleted script is causing issues

I need help. When I first started using Wikipedia 4-5 years ago I inserted the script: User:Anomie/hide-images.js into my username common.js. This script hides images until you click on the image. My issues is that I have since decided I no longer want to use this script so I deleted it, but now images will not show up at all. It's just a blank box where an image is supposed to be. Please help me figure out this problem. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 22:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@SparklingPessimist: Looking at User:Anomie/hide-images, I think you have to also remove the CSS import from your User:SparklingPessimist/common.css. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new subject page.

Is there a way to create a new wikipedia page or how does that work? Thanks.

-Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:43D6:1C58:BDBE:155A:AD59:A91A (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

You'll be wanting WP:AFC, which has detailed instructions on how to create a draft article. Once you submit it for review, it will be reviewed by an AFC reviewer, who will either decline the draft with a reason (after which you can fix the issues and resubmit), or publish it to article space. Feel free to ask here or on my talk page if you have any more questions. Squeeps10 ^{Talk to me}_{please ping me} 23:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)