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April 20

Federal Circuit

Hello,

On the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_courts_of_appeals can you add the following two pages as they are missing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Court_of_Appeals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_Court_of_the_District_of_Columbia

I don't believe those fit in that article. The appeals court is United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_District_of_Columbia_Circuit which is already linked. RudolfRed (talk) 02:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I have added a note in the "See also" section. The D.C. Court of Appeals, although federally established, is not part of the federal appellate system. BD2412 T 23:16, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@BD2412 Perfect. That is great, I didn't think of that. Thank you.

ProQuest

How do you properly cite from ProQuest in Wikipedia's format (As in Template:Citenews)? I've had no choice but to cite everything from there in standards such as ČSN ISO 690:2011. There also doesn't seem to be any option to archive sources either, unless I'm missing something? ToQ100gou (talk) 07:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@ToQ100gou:, there is a plugin called ProveIt, that contains templates for almost every citation requirement. It also has a very handy DOI importer, so you can just copy/paste the DOI of the document you want to cite, and it will autofill the template. I find that it makes citation insertion much less tedious/prone to mistakes. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 18:24, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@BrxBrx: Thanks a lot, this does make citing less tedious. I forgot to mention that a lot of what I am citing are periodicals that don't have DOIs, and because ProQuest is subscription based, I've found no way to add a URL to the article. I can manually add the name, author, newspaper and date, but it wants a URL. ToQ100gou (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@ToQ100gou:, not all the fields in the template must be filled. You can just leave the URL out and manually add the information you need. Unfortunately, the importer doesn't work well if you don't have a URL or a DOI to input. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 18:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Entry for Paul Greenberg, Pulitzer Prize winner, fails to include name of his daughter

My computer is acting up, so I leave to y'all to check his obit for the name of Daniel Greenberg's sister.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:48fb:c6b::48fb:c6b (talk • contribs) 20 April 2021 07:03 (UTC)

If you think siginificant information is missing from any article, you can propose changes on that article's talk page, stating why it is relevant and ensuring that you cite a reliable source that is independent of the subject.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Also we don't just add family members because they are family members. See WP:BLPNAME - X201 (talk) 08:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm looking for a bot

I think I saw somewhere that there's a bot that can fix punctuation-after-ref writing in articles. Anyone know where it is? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:50, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I saw User:WikiCleanerBot do that recently. TSventon (talk) 11:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I may try it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: You can try using software such as WikiCleaner or AutoWikiBrowser to make punctuation fixes, or you could ask a bot owner to run their bot on some article(s), but you can't run someone else's bot. GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång. WikiCleanerBot is doing its tasks with WPCleaner. If you're interested, you can also use WPCleaner manually: the bot doesn't fix all problems about punctuation-after-ref, but the tool detects more than it can fix automatically, so it's helpful manually. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 19:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

And thank you too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Correction on CytaVision content

Hello,

i am an employee at Cyta www.cyta.com.cy. CytaVision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CytaVision is one of our services provided. See https://www.cyta.com.cy/tv-packages/en. I am trying to corrent the information on the page but i keep getting a remove message. Can you please help me correct the informations provided.

Hello Elenac17! Start by reading WP:PAID, then WP:EDITREQ. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

HTML/Wiki formatting of article List of vegans

Hi, List of vegans currently has a panel of images next to the list which works on PC but not well on mobile. Is there a coding help desk, a list of formatting wizzes, or someone on here who could give us (three active editors) some suggestions on the formatting? Many thanks, Trimton (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trimton: what is the photo list not doing that you want it to do? In mobile view the photos come first, and if you select desktop at the bottom of your mobile browser, it performs the same as on a desktop. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:59, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I just ran my standard cleanup script on it just in case there was a subtle HTML error that was only showing up on Mobile. Trimton, please recheck and describe exactly what is wrong just to make sure that you and TimTempleton are seeing the same thing.

BTW, that page is awful. The huge row of pictures is really annoying to scroll past, and the info on an individual is in two places. The page really needs to have that row of images changed to a table with rows and columns, maybe with thumbnails. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks,TimTempleton and Guy Macon. Sorry for being vague. Right now the images only show a few individuals, an aspect we could retain. But on mobile, they are displayed before the list which, as Guy Macon says, is really annoying. How would we let it show after the list? Or do you see other alternatives? Guy Macon you're proposing we integrate the images as thumbnails into the actual table. Did I get that right? Trimton (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

On firefox, I see forty seven large images all crowded on the right of the page with a huge blank space filling up the left. :( What we need is someone with good table-fu who can sort this out. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trimton: I suggest you post your concern and request on the article talk page - Talk:List of vegans. GoingBatty (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Circa date ranges in |date= parameter

Resolved

I've noticed that in the article Tragic Prelude, there is a "Check date values" error in reference #4 ("Description of Murals for Kansas State House"). I referenced Help:CS1_errors#bad_date, but the date value in the citation seems to comply with both date range and circa rules. Thus, I am not sure whether there is a separate, correct way to format circa date ranges, or whether that option even exists. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

The quote in Tragic Prelude is cited to the online source: "Cross-Curricular Connect: Tragic Prelude" at charlesmcquillen.com. There the quote is repeated and cited to an archive. For the purposes of en.wiki, it is sufficient to cite WP:WHEREYOUREADIT so, perhaps something like:

John Steuart Curry quoted in: McQuillen, Charles (March 25, 2017). "Cross-Curricular Connect: Tragic Prelude". McQuillen Studios.

With regard to the 'circa' question, a range of dates is already approximate so for the purposes of cs1|2, the 'c.' prefix is redundant.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

• That makes sense. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Grammar in articles

Hello,

I was wondering if there is a consensus for how grammar, spelling and sentence structure mistakes should be approached when editing an article. I often find grammatical errors and was wondering if I should be correcting them, or if there is one "style" I should be using when I do fix these kinds of mistakes. If anyone has links to other articles or talk pages that have a general answer for this, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Redf1veXW (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Articles should conform to our manual of style. You'll find it at WP:MOS. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

And you need to be aware of WP:ENGVAR as well, Redf1veXW. --ColinFine (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Aside from the WP:MOS and WP:ENGVAR (mentioned above), the most important principle on Wikipedia is be bold. If you make a mistake, someone will let you know. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:50, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Current Events editing

Could someone with the appropriate permissions please edit the Recent Events page for grammar? There are many, many grammatical errors that need prompt attention— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.73.134.220 (talk • contribs)

Do you mean Portal:Current events? Or another page? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If there is an improvement that you think should be made to a Wikipedia article or page that is protected, you can make the suggestion on the corresponding talk page, and tag it as an edit request. But you'll need to be specific about what you think should be changed: "many grammatical errors" is not helpful (and some of them may not even be errors, but different varieties of English from what you're used to). --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)