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February 27

Plagiarism Question

The entire Wikipedia entry for Sarah Siddons as the Tragic Muse seems to have been copied from https://www.artble.com/artists/joshua_reynolds/paintings/mrs_siddons_as_the_tragic_muse. I looked on that site but didn't see any reference to it being Creative Commons/public domain/similar content so it seems to me that everything on the Wikipedia page is plagiarised but I don't know enough about that web site or Wikipedia's art pages to make the decision. If it is plagiarised what is supposed to happen? Must the page just be deleted until someone with art knowledge can write it because there's no original Wikipedia content on it except the artwork box? Watman (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Watman the short answer is yes, it must be (and has been) deleted as Wikipedia has a strict policy on copyright violations. Articles should be based on multiple reliable sources and written in the editor's own words. TSventon (talk) 00:52, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Watman (talk) 01:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Children's names in a BLP

It's been my understanding for some time that we don't name non-notable children of the subjects of BLPs. I've just encountered someone telling me that isn't policy. Is it? Where is the relevant advice? HiLo48 (talk) 05:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@HiLo48: the policy is WP:BLPNAME. It's not quite as strong as "do not name", but close. Inclusion requires that the name is relevant to understanding the article. -Arch dude (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. My reading of that is that if there are decent secondary WP:RS, kids names can be included, but they don't have to be, it's up to editorial discretion. I personally favor erring on the side of exclusion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

It's not just editorial discretion. The guidance at WP:BLPNAME states that "the presumption in favor of privacy is strong". I think it is fairly unusual for the names to be useful to understanding. Generally, ages and (occasionally) sex of the children will give all the context needed. For example, if a senator decided to take his children to Cancun, I don't need to know their names to understand the event, but ages are important. -Arch dude (talk) 18:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't strongly disagree, but I have encountered editors who do: Talk:Brian_Austin_Green#RfC:_Names_and_DOB's_of_children_in_a_BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have thought that it was more likely to be good to name adult children (over 18) than those under that age but otherwise I agree withthe above comment Spinney Hill (talk) 10:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Editing pages in the Croatian-language Wikipedia

Hello? I want to ask for a while: Could you please let the Croatian-language Wikipedia allow me to create pages in it? I try already but cannot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Любомир Більович (talk • contribs) 05:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Любомир Більович: this is the English Wikipedia, if you'd like help with Croatian Wikipedia you'd have to ask there. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 06:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Любомир Більович: Each Wikipedia language makes their own rules. I see you were automatically blocked at the Croatian Wikipedia for having an unacceptable username. I don't know Croation but according to Google Translate on hr:Wikipedija:Suradničko ime, they normally only allow usernames with extended Latin letters. The translation does include: "Associates whose mother tongue is not Croatian (but, for example, Arabic or Hebrew) may request that their name contain other characters, but there must be a reason for this." You can request an unblock with hr:Predložak:Odblokirajte me on hr:User talk:Любомир Більович. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

issue about reference

ve done a wikipedia page, about an spanish poet, i reference the page with her website biografy

wikipedia was showing me this message: "This article or section needs references that appear in a reputable publication.

You can notify the main editor by pasting the following into the discussão page: {{noun: References notice|Matilde Camus}} Bianco souza (talk) 06:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

This notice was posted on February 22, 2021." but i did put the webpage as a reference and some more links too

@Bianco souza: the subject of an article must be notable by our definition. you must supply the correct kind of sources to establish notability: you need multiple independent non-trivial major sources. See WP:GNG. This is easy to mess up: see WP:CSMN. -Arch dude (talk) 06:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bianco souza: This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. I guess you refer to es:Matilde Camus. Each Wikipedia language has its own rules. You can post to the Spanish Wikipedia, e.g. at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

my birth date is wrong!!!

Hello, I am really upset I am an actor and my birthdate is wrong. I was born August 22nd 1970 and it states I was born in 1958! How on earth do I change it??????? Sarah-Jane Redmond — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:5B7B:8100:54F6:5814:D488:EBBA (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sarah-Jane. The date (which was 1962, not 1958) was uncited, so I have removed it. In future if there are issues with an article about you, please see AUTOPROB for the best way to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I saw you removed the birth date from the infobox. I also removed it from the lede and the category. GoingBatty (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine and GoingBatty: the 1962 date is still in the wikidata item. Do either of you know how to remove it? -Arch dude (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude: N Deleted. When you choose to edit the property, a delete button appears. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Sarah-Jane Redmond, the best way to fix this once and for all is to put the correct date in the article. To do that, we need to see the date in a published "reliable source". If you can point us to such a source, we can keep this from recurring in the future. We cannot accept your unsupported statement because we have no method (and no desire) to verify your identity. We do not accept things like birth certificates ("primary sources") because we are unpaid volunteers without the means to easily verify them, either. Getting the correct date into Wikipedia is also likely to eventually filter out to a lot of other places on the Internet that use our information to tell people about you. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Arch dude we do accept self-published sources for stuff like this - if she posted from her Twitter account it would be fine. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Even better would be on her own web page. However, we have seen many, many times in the past that actresses "of a certain age" would really prefer that there were no public mention anywhere of the correct date, so she may prefer to simply do nothing and hope the situation does not recur. -Arch dude (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I would be incredibly leery of using primary sources here because she works in an industry where ageism is par for the course; I've seen instances where people have lied about their ages in order to get roles and then walked that back in another primary source later. As far as TV/film actors are concerned age should be treated as potentially controversial and sourced as such. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 14:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Unless there are secondary sources disagreeing, I think going with a WP:BLPSELFPUB source for DOB/YOB is fine, even for actors. Age doesn't become "unduly self-serving" just because the subject is an actor, something more is needed. Of course, twitter/fb would need the blue checkmark. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I am scared for my security.

When I was auto-blocked, someone by the name of PlayerIsSuss was blocked by Bagumba for vandalism. The question? I know that NOBODY in my family uses Wikipedia, so how did the user manage to get my IP? I'm concerned that someone might have breached my security. Regards, Pink Saffron (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pink Saffron. Most IP addresses are dynamic: the ISP will allocate them from time to time (sometimes very frequently) so unless you know that you have a fixed IP addrfess, the chances are somebody else was (perfectly normally) using an IP address which you had previously used. Your account has not been blocked. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk

How can I chat like omg please I think this is ocward send me feedback — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatiheart (talk • contribs) 16:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Fatiheart: To chat with other Wikipedia editors about how to use Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:IRC. GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Fatiheart: Correction: Some channels are to request help with Wikipedia, while others are for more social interaction. GoingBatty (talk) 17:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Rollback button

Which are the differences beetween undo and rollback buttons? Dr Salvus (talk) 17:22, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus:: Assuming you talk about the software rollback, as opposed to, for example, Twinkle's rollback feature: Undo lets you select which version you want to revert to, rollback doesn't (it always restores the last revision not by the current user). Undo will prompt for an edit summary, rollback doesn't. Undo will leave you a chance to cancel misclicks, rollback doesn't. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:26, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: What does the rollback button allow? I mean both that of Twinkle and that of the software. Dr Salvus (talk) 17:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: In general, undo allows you to revert an article to a previous state without having to manually edit things back. The standard MediaWiki rollback button as well as the twinkle buttons (with the exception of "restore this revision") allow you to quickly rollback all edits made by the same user without having to search through the page history. If for example, User:VeryBadVandalisticEditor made 4 edits to Example article, and you can assume they all need to be reverted, the software rollback and the twinkle buttons (again, with the exception of "restore this revision") will undo them all, while the software "undo" button won't always, depending on the diff you look at. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I made a major edit to this article but messed with reference

I made a major edit to this section but messed with reference. Please somebody fix the reference code there. Rizosome (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: I dont see any ref errors there, what is the error you are referring to? Also, instead of a URL, please use Wikilink, so we don't all get sent to the mobile version. Rashtriya_Ispat_Nigam#History RudolfRed (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I find Source 1 and Source 2 looks odd in Rashtriya_Ispat_Nigam#History, it should be marked as citation links. Rizosome (talk) 02:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome:  Fixed with firstly this edit which added the missing ref tags and removed your use of "source 1" and " source 2" and then this edit which filled out the citations. Please carefully study WP:REFB for the guidelines to adding references. Eagleash (talk) 06:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Chatting

How to chat with my mates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatiheart (talk • contribs) 18:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for social networking. This is a collaborational encyclopedia. Things you could try include use of social networking sites such as Facebook, calling your mates over the telephone, or meeting them physically in person. JIP | Talk 18:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Meeting friends in person... I remember doing that, once upon a time. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:19, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Font size discrepancies in Canada Revenue Agency

Hello,

I am noticing that there are some font size discrepancies in Canada Revenue Agency,an article which I have been trying to expand ad improve over the last few months. I have been trying to resolve them to no avail.

I would appreciate any help in addressing this issue

Thanks,

--Chamott50 (talk) 19:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Chamott50 I made one change [1] to the small tags being used on there, so that the notes are now the same size. If you put a small tag inside of another small tag, it seems to just make the text even smaller. Are there any other places on that article where you have font size issues?

It was an open <small> tag. The first was closed, the second wasn't, and so all the text after it was small.. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

new article

I published a new article but not sure where it is now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timur Safardiar (talk • contribs) 20:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Timur Safardiar: Your contributions show you were working on a draft at User:Timur Safardiar/sandbox/Unus Safardiar. Is that what you were looking for? If not, what is the name of the article? GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Pending review edits

So today has been quite weird, I don't know if this was already happening to me, but my edits at pending changes protected pages need to be reviewed? First, I reverted an edit at Dire wolf, and didn't appear as "automatically accepted" when it should be. But the thing doesn't end there, I've edited Furileusauria and Carnosauria, and my edits also didn't appear as "automatically accepted". I almost have 8,000 edits and I've been here for around 1 and a half years, so it's very clear that I'm an extended confirmed user, so why do my edits at pending changes protected pages need to be reviewed? Can someone please explain what's happening? JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 23:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@JurassicClassic767: I think someone else complained about similar behavior recently. Try reporting it at WP:VPT RudolfRed (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I've reported it now, I guess we just have to wait for someone to respond and hopefully get this fixed. JurassicClassic767 (talk | contribs) 06:36, 28 February 2021 (UTC)