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November 19

Create new Wikipedia page for group of company

We need your assist to create new wikipedia company page. 115.246.25.123 (talk) 05:49, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

1. Who is "we"? A Wikipedia account must be used by only one person, not shared in any way.

2. There are no "company pages" in Wikipedia; not one. There are articles about companies, and groups of companies, but those articles are written by impartial third parties and not controlled by or beholden to the subjects of the articles in any way.

3. We try to help people create new articles, but it is a very tough process. We recommend that interested editors get their feet wet by practicing edits: fixing typos, correcting grammar, etc., in order to familiarize themselves with the process. I personally recommend that you study not just articles about topics related to the one you are most interested in, but also read the talk pages of those same articles, to see how our process of revision and consensus operates. It's a unique system, but one that we've hammered out over decades, and it works surprisingly often.

4. If the only reason you are here is to create an article, a favorable one, about a company with whom you have a conflict of interest or a company which is paying you directly or indirectly, the attitudes of the editors will range from dislike to active hostility. And if you fail to openly declare that conflict of interest, you can be blocked from this project entirely. --Orange Mike | Talk 06:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

In 3, above. I think that the link should have been H:YFA, nothing to do with featured articles, which are an even tougher process! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:52, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Always use desktop mode

Can someone please remind me how to always ensure that pages are viewed in desktop mode? I read about this once, but now I can't find it. (I edit either on a desktop PC, or on a tablet which has a 10.1 inch display, both on a web browser.) A setting in Preferences would be great for this! Thanks. David10244 (talk) 12:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@David10244: I don't believe there is a setting, although there is a link labeled "Desktop" at the bottom of the mobile website that leads to the desktop version. Wikipedia itself remembers your choise via a cookie, although external sites such as Google may still lead you to the mobile site if they detect that you are accessing them from mobile. Perhaps Cullen328 has another Idea, as he is regularely editing from a smartphone, and has written an essay about it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:57, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, David10244, I don't have much to add beyond what Victor Schmidt has already said. I do 99% of my editing from Android smart phones, and believe that the fully functional desktop site is the best. I stay logged onto the desktop site constantly. If I come to a Wikipedia article from another site and end up on the mobile site, I just scroll to the bottom and click the link taking me to the desktop site. I am not aware of any other tricks, but there is a lot that I do not know. Cullen328 (talk) 18:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I agree that the desktop site is vastly superior to the mobile site. David10244 (talk) 06:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@David10244 there is a script called NeverUseMobileVersion which will do this. Edit your common.js and add this line:

mw.loader.load("https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%C3%9Ejarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

and you will never see the mobile version again. And there was much rejoicing. CodeTalker (talk) 19:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I said that there was a lot that I do not know, and this is additional evidence. Cullen328 (talk) 03:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@CodeTalker Thank you; that's exactly what I was looking for. Rejoicing, indeed! Now I'll go suggest a pref somewhere like VPT. David10244 (talk) 05:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I have done this, I think. Scrolling to the bottom of a very long article or page, on a tablet, to find the "Desktop" link, was slightly annoying. First world problems! Thanks again. David10244 (talk) 05:57, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Is this okay?

Hello I wanted to know if this action by an editor is valid [1]. I mean as they have explained in their edit summary, the mention of "emails" it's absolutely not. The sources are taken from Goanet a mailing list/web forum, possibly like Usenet which involves discussions of many journalists or editors. How can this possibly not be used as a reliable source? ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 13:34, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, WP:SPS and WP:USERG would probably apply. WP:USENET may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:20, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think WP:SPS OR WP:USERG applies here. According to WP:USENET, a section about web forum says "Some however, are edited by reliable organizations, and therefore may possibly be justified as exceptions". The fact that these editors can be easily looked upon via a google search to check their verifiability. Many present on Goanet are experts in their fields. I believe they are reliable sources. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 15:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Do maiiling lists count as "published" per WP:PUBLISHED? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Speaking on Goanet specifically, it seems likely. The forum itself is majorly run by noted volunteers and the site itself is in archive format. Like I've explained above, there are many noted editors who have penned down their views on the topic. Also it's absolutely available to the general public. I don't see what you're trying to get by your question. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 18:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Camp Connell California

Camp Connell California is a Town located 1 mile east of Dorreington, CA. However, someone has linked Camp Connell and Camp Connell with Dorrington California. This is erroneous. How can I correct this? 76.127.80.179 (talk) 19:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The article Dorrington, California explains the connection to Camp Connell and on a map they look close by to me, so the redirect may be correct. RudolfRed (talk) 21:13, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Can't Access Redirects

This is sort of a follow-up to the above inquiry. A dispute was filed at DRN concerning the redirect, which I have closed for various reasons. However, if I try to enter either Camp Connell or Camp Connell, California, I get taken to Dorrington, California, which is all right because that is what a redirect does, but it doesn't display the link back to the redirect. So I can't seem to view the redirect history, or the talk page of the redirect. Can someone explain this? Can someone tell me how to view the redirect history? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Odd, they work normally for me. Here are direct links if they help, @Robert McClenon: 1 2. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I just fixed one that was a double redirect. Now they both directly redirect to Dorrington. I'm not sure if that was your problem but everything else looks correct to me. MB 02:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, when the unregistered editor said that they worked for them, I logged out, and found that they worked for me. Then when I logged back in, I tagged the redirects as {{R to related topic}} to make them long-form redirects. It seems to work now. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth (Betty) Cutter Morrow page has wrong photograph

I don't know how to edit but the photograph of Elizabeth Cutter Morrow, Anne Morrow Lindbergh's mother, is wrong in wikipedia- that photograph is of her sister Elizabeth- her mother looked quite different. 66.220.115.204 (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You appear to be correct, judging by the date of the Smith College yearbook from which the photo is taken (to say nothing of the spelling of the forenames). I've removed the image from Elizabeth Cutter Morrow (though it might be usable someplace in Elisabeth Morrow School if anyone wants to add it there). Deor (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)