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December 1

University ranking RfC

A few months ago I found an RfC detailing whether or not articles about universities should have its ranking in the lead. I believe that consensus was to keep it out, but I've been unable to find this. Does anyone know where this is? I've removed a few rankings from a few leads but worry that I've made a mistake if I cannot find the RfC. —Panamitsu (talk) 00:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Panamitsu: Wikipedia:College and university article advice#Rankings links to WP:HIGHEREDREP. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I am having trouble with Citations from a website through a proxy

I am editing an article and for the first time I have decided to use some information from some of the databases that my University provides me. However when I click to publish my edits I am given a warning about proxies. I was wondering what to do?

Thank you for your time,

Wnettles03 (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wnettles03. It may be useful to read Wikipedia:Open proxies. If you need more information, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is the best place to ask. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Wnettles03, if you're citing sources available to you only through your university's subscription, you shouldn't use the URL from those sources when citing them, since these will be proxy addresses only usable when logged in to your university's computer network. You can just copypaste the citation information instead. Many publishers have a "cite" button (sometimes a double inverted comma like “) that will copy a formatted citation into your clipboard. Folly Mox (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixing disambiguation links

After closing the requested move at Talk:Rebase, Estonia and converting the redirect into a disambiguation page. I am having trouble fixing the links. At Vana-Kuuste, the template {{Adjacent stations}} will not target the right page after changing Rebase to Rebase, Estonia. Lightoil (talk) 05:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lightoil:  Done. {{Adjacent stations}} works by turning the name into a link through Module:Adjacent stations and the specific list for Elron Module:Adjacent stations/Elron, where the station's destination link can be changed relatively easily. I assume you were trying to just change Rebase to Rebase, Estonia in the template in the article, which causes the template to output a link to Rebase, Estonia (railway station), which is the default behavior of the template when it isn't listed there. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Melecie thank you for your help. Lightoil (talk) 05:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Article is getting declined.

How to improve and where to improve so that it does not get disapproval.

Draft: Jitendra Sharma Karmja (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Jitendra Sharma has a common problem, because it looks more like a CV or LinkedIn profile than an encyclopedia article. There is also a likely conflict of interest situation here. The article needs to be a lot more neutral and based on secondary sources.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Providing proof to Wiki

Dear All,

I am currently writing a Wikipedia article for my employer. He would like for it to include information about his perosnal life, such as the names of his parents, spouse and children. And while I have no issue with finding sources that talk of his business ventures and public life, there isn't a single one where the afore-mentioned personal information is mentioned.

He is willing to provide a birth certificate that states the name of his parents, as well as those of his children and the certificate of his marriage in order for Wikipedia to approve this information. Alternatively, his English lawyers can validate the information touched-upon in the article. Do you think this would in any way suffice?

Thank you in advance for your help! Jandos.azerbay (talk) 09:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Jandos.azerbay, you don't just have a COI, you are paid for this work. Please read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure carefully and do what it says. And here in en:Wikipedia, you are creating not Бейсенбаев, Эмис Кельгенбаевич but instead Draft:Nurlan Bizakov. Readers will hope that your biographee has a satisfying family life, but they're unlikely to be much interested in it. So skip any mention of it, particularly as what en:Wikipedia regards as reliable sources would have to be cited. By contrast, a question more likely to be on readers' minds is instead: How would somebody whose work experience was just four years as an employee of Jambyloblgaz manage to found his own company? And additionally, how was it that "He made his fortune in a diverse range of business activities?" (Which business activities would they have been? After all, most business ventures fail, and only a tiny few produce owners of multiple racehorses.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

You might also want to read WP:BOSS. Bazza (talk) 10:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jandos.azerbay: In addition to all the advice above I strongly suggest you forewarn your boss about why an article about him isn't necessarily a good thing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixing the citation styles to fulfill the template on International Criminal Court

reference info for International Criminal Court

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uses ldr	yes
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dead link templates	1
webarchive templates	1
use xxx dates	dmy
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cs1|2 ymd archive dates	1
cs1|2 last/first	95
cs1|2 author	29
List of cs1 templates Cite book (20) cite book (3) Cite journal (10) cite journal (5) Cite magazine (1) cite magazine (1) Cite news (17) cite news (53) Cite press release (1) cite press release (1) cite SSRN (1) Cite web (118) cite web (78)
List of cs1-like templates cite Q (1)
List of sfn templates Sfn (1) sfn (6)
explanations

Hi all

I've been doing some work on International Criminal Court article and there is a template on top saying the article has an 'unclear citation style' however I'm not really sure what this means or how to fix it. Could someone who knows please take a look? The only thing I can see is one 'general reference' which could just be integrated as a normal reference easily (although if it was just that I don't understand why a template was added.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 09:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

John Cummings, the "Footnotes" aren't footnotes; they're references. There's a long list of "Further reading". I have no comment on the quality and citeworthiness of what are listed, but with one exception the list gives no indication of why anyone should read any of these or what within anything listed they should pay particular attention to, and so the list is almost useless. The exception is the reference to Luban. Within the article, find the assertion that would be backed up by the reference to Luban, and turn add an indexed, conventional reference to Luban. Delete the rest of the "Further reading". -- Hoary (talk) 10:40, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@John Cummings: The reason for the template was in a comment next to it. I am its author, I do not remember why I did not use |reason=. Anyway, I re-added the template and put the reason in the parameter. Janhrach (talk) 15:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Janhrach thanks very much for the explanation, I did some work on it before but have no idea how to fix the stuff you've outlined. Do you know a way of highlighting just the problematic references? Also what would be a good enough resolution? Just redoing the refs using the cite tool in VE? Also do you know if there are any places I can make a request that this stuff gets fixed by a tool? I could do it manually but I won't if there is a smarter way of doing it and I can spend my time improving the content :) Thanks John Cummings (talk) 07:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Unfortunately, there is no good tool to fix the references of this type. The problem is that IAbot added archive links to the references some time ago. I usually fix this type of references manually, like wikitext. The tool in the VE has a problem – the only thing it can use from non-template is the URL – archive links (this is problem on dead links), access dates (problem when the URL changes), and titles (problem on PDFs) are discarted. Anyway, this is a low-urgency issue. Janhrach (talk) 17:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Bombardier

I can’t log in. My question is How much money in subsides been given to Bomdardier in its life span in Canada? 142.127.4.184 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! I presume you're asking about Bombardier Inc., and I don't see the answer in the Wikipedia article. If you feel this information should be added to the article, you can talk to other editors interested in this company by starting a new topic at the article's talk page: Talk:Bombardier Inc. GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

You can also try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

"What links here" for a specific section/anchor?

There in an anchor mid-section in Magnetic resonance imaging that was previously not functioning because HTML markup was put into the id field of the anchor. I fixed it, but in doing so, it would technically change the anchor id from "T₂[…]" to "T2[…]". I would prefer not to break any links that point to this specific anchor, if they exist. Barring going through every single entry in the What Links Here special page for MRI, can I filter those by ones that have a particular anchor? Kimen8 (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kimen8: insource:"T₂" linksto:"Magnetic resonance imaging" doesn't find attempts to link the old anchor. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:40, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will retain that search query. I often forget about the advanced search operators. Kimen8 (talk) 18:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kimen8: It appears some of the special characters were interfering with the search syntax. insource:"T sub 2 sub-weighted" linksto:"Magnetic resonance imaging" looks more correct but still finds no attempted links. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I see. Thank you again. Kimen8 (talk) 18:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Donations

I donate to WIKI A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR. YOU PROVIDE A WONDERFUL INFORMATION SERVICE. HOWEVER, AFTER CONTRIBUTING AGAIN THIS WEEK I FIND IT VERY ANNOYING THAT YOU ARE ASKING ME FOR MONEY AGAIN. I REALLY FEEL THAT YOU MUST FIND A WAY TO STOP ASKING KIND FOLK WHO HAVE JUST DONATED TO DONATE AGAIN. IF I SEE ANYMORE BEGGING LETTERS I WILL STOP SENDING YOU MONEY. 2A02:C7C:5F19:3A00:68B9:CC61:9B5B:7A1D (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'd appreciate it if you turned off your caps lock key in the future, as it comes across as shouting. We at the teahouse have nothing to do with the fundraising, which is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. You may reach them at donatewikimedia.org. However, you can disable the fundraising banners by registering an account and disabling them in your preferences. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

If "letters" means emails then see donate:FAQ#Why have I received a fundraising email even though I have already donated recently? I don't work with fundrasing and have no access to inside information so I cannot say how closely that answer is followed. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Please also understand that there is absolutely no way that anyone on Wikipedia can detect whether or not someone using the device currently having a particular IP has (already) donated. Firstly, most IPs are now dynamic, so your device's current IP is likely not the one it had yesterday or will have tomorrow – it likely was and will be someone else's; secondly, multiple people may be sharing the same device; and thirdly, the Wikimedia Foundation, to whom donations actually go, does not link donations received to the IP they are received from (if that even applies, since after all one can, I believe, post a cheque). This is in part to ensure impartiality in editing – we cannot know who has donated, so we cannot be influenced by what might be perceived as bribery. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.32 (talk) 22:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

History of Islam in southern Italy

I would like to add the template circa and remove the full stop from the first caption (for MOS:CAPTIONS), but in non-visual mode I cannot find the image (first time this has happened to me); where is it? JackkBrown (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: It the line directly below the {{short description}} template, as [[File:Arabischer Maler der Palastkapelle in Palermo 004.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Arabic painting made for the Norman kings (c. 1150) in the [[Palazzo dei Normanni]], originally the emir's palace at Palermo.]]. Note that you can edit captions and insert templates in the VisualEditor if you prefer. GoingBatty (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: You use the mobile site where both infoboxes and lead images can be displayed later than they appear in the wikitext. The code is at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

"Pregnant person"

Is there consensus for whether "pregnant woman" should be changed in articles to say "pregnant person"? I thought I had seen something somewhere about this, but can't seem to locate it now. Kimen8 (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I did manage to locate WP:GENDER which seems to indicate that "pregnant women" should be preferred. Are there other guidelines? Kimen8 (talk) 22:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Here is the relevant page in the NIH style guide, for what it's worth. It appears that it was updated just last month. I'll just put the whole policy here, {{xt}} use mine:

Both pregnant women and pregnant people are acceptable phrases. It is not always necessary to avoid the word women by substituting phrases like birthing people, or people with uteruses, especially in public health content. Gender neutral terms like pregnant patients, pregnant people, birth parent, or other wording as applicable (e.g., pregnant teens), present an inclusive alternatives. Use judgement and context to determine whether to use pregnant women, pregnant people, pregnant patients, or other inclusive descriptors. Specific phrasing like people with uteruses can be helpful when writing NOFOs or advertising studies to ensure only eligible participants are enrolled for the specific research conducted.
Using more limited and specific language is sometimes important. For instance, if discussing a study that only involves pregnant cisgender women, gender-specific language (pregnant women) would be most accurate to reference that study’s findings. If the word women is preferable, but transgender and nonbinary people are also referenced, phrasing like women and other pregnant patients can provide an inclusive alternative.

Remsense留 22:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

To me it looks like it proscribes pregnant men and women as confusing, which I agree with, but doesn't comment on pregnant people. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Problem with template Infobox Russian city

There is something wrong with the template "Infobox Russian city". The article Yakutsk is showing the reference for the population estimate as "Unable to format this reference". However, the reference is not actually found in the article. The infobox has been there since 19 March 2007, and viewing that version is showing the reference as "Unable to format this reference" even though there are no ref tags in that version of the article. What is wrong here? JIP | Talk 23:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@JIP: The error contained a link to this documentation, which indicated that there is a problem with the associated Wikidata item. Specifically, the documentation states "The reference to be displayed has to have at least title (P1476) and reference URL (P854) properties." The "population" entry for 2018 had three references, including one URL with a title and one URL without a title. The URL without a title was for a spreadsheet that's no longer online, so I removed it. I then reloaded the Wikipedia article and the reference now looks good. GoingBatty (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

It's always a wikidata issue... Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Word "prosciutto" on the Italian cuisine page

Is there a function that allows me to know how many times the word "prosciutto" is repeated on the Italian cuisine page and precisely where? JackkBrown (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Use the find feature in your web browser, likely ctrl+F. Remsense留 00:01, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: I work from my mobile phone. JackkBrown (talk) 01:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

That would really be helpful to know on initial request. Also, I am not sure what category of 'function' you were requesting, since it would be highly variable depending on platform. Hoping you use the Wikipedia mobile app, there is a "find" button that does this also, for me it's at the bottom of the editing window. Remsense留 01:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown, telling us that you are using a mobile device is slightly helpful, but we also need to know whether you're using the Wikipedia app or a browser, and if the latter, which browser you're using. Most mobile browsers have a "find in page" function or something similar, but the details differ between browsers. CodeTalker (talk) 05:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: Finally, thanks to you, I have discovered a very useful tool with which I can search for all dubious words without having to read the whole article (note: Wikipedia app). JackkBrown (talk) 09:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy I could help! Remsense留 19:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)