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Request for Guidance on Creating a Wikipedia Article for Orkhan Hasani

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Dear Wikipedia Support Team,

I want to creat a Wikipedia article for Orkhan Hasani, a writer whose work has gained recognition. Before proceeding, I would like to seek your guidance on ensuring that the article meets Wikipedia's standards for notability and reliable sourcing.

Orkhan Hasani has contributed significantly to literature, and I believe his achievements are notable. However, I want to ensure that the article adheres to Wikipedia’s guidelines on biographies. Could you provide any specific advice on the types of sources that would be considered reliable for this purpose, as well as any additional tips for creating a well-structured and compliant article?

Your assistance in helping me navigate this process would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time and support.

Sincerely, Aytekin 78.109.54.4 (talk) 02:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything unclear in Wikipedia:Reliable sources? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

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How do I add a photo to an existing article? J. L. Shegull (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might start here: Help:Pictures. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 06:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite from Wikidata

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Hello,
I'm not new to Wikipedia but I don't know where else to post this:
For me, citing is a tedious work. To cite correctly (e.g. with a template like {{cite book}} ), some fields need to be filled. I don't know about the technical complexity and it can be start small. But I would find it great if all we have to do is to give the Wikidata item of the citation (If it has one) and the template will output a citation with all the information for the reader (a 'style' option can be added in a second time). What do you think ?

Kind regards, Jona (talk) 08:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that can be done, in most cases you'll still have to add a page number. And I wonder if very many individual articles in journals (never mind individual pages on websites) are ever going to have Wikidata items.
But I can see it might be useful in some cases. I suggest mooting it at WP:VPI. ColinFine (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
{{cite q}} is a sometimes successful attempt to do that. There are those among us (I am one) who intensely dislike {{cite q}} because of its, and wikidata's, failings (I say this even though I contributed to its code base). If {{cite q}} were drawing from a database dedicated to citations; if {{cite q}} obeyed WP:CITEVAR; if {{cite q}} autosubsted so that editors reading an article's wikitext would know who and what was being cited ({{cite q|Q12345}} has no more contextual meaning than visual editor's <ref name=":0" /> – don't encode that which ought not be encoded)... For these latter reasons, I and other editors expand {{cite q}} references on sight. Please don't make extra work for us.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jona: As one who spends a fair amount of time improving existing citations by providing an updated url or archive-url parameter, and realizing that the same source I am modifying is used in numerous other Wikipedia articles, I have often thought how sad it is that we couldn't just have a single instance of the citation stored externally, so that when the url needed updating, we could just update the single instance in the external source. What????? Now I learn that this functionality is already present???
And so what is the objection? That when I'm editing, I can only see the qid and not the details that will be displayed when the article is viewed? I don't get it.
And what is the alternative? It's that when I fix a citation referencing a url, and that same citation is used in 23 places, 22 of them remain broken. And the desired display format is different in different articles? This objection doesn't have much appeal to me, the fact we are replicating this information in each different place it's needed, that seems to overlook basic principles of information management.   Facepalm Fabrickator (talk) 11:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia generally does a really excellent job of overlooking basic principles of information management.
I don't have a theoretical objection to {{cite q}}, but if one is malfunctioning I'll replace it with its contents and modify to fix, since changing the Wikidata claims to get the CS1 to play nice with it again is both beyond my competence and likely to break something somewhere else.
I do think that a centralised repository for bibliographic metadata is called for, from which individual views can be extracted for different projects and CITEVARs, but I think that Wikidata is not the best place for this: it's too general and fairly inscrutable. I'm aware that Wikidata already has a big repository of citations that are actually used by real academics outside the Wikimedia ecosystem, but it's not convenient or transparent enough for our purposes here, in my personal opinion.
One problem with any centralised means of creating citations, from {{cite q}} to a hypothetical successor to regular old single-source CS1 wrappers, is that their CITEREF values all have to be whitelisted manually at Module talk:Footnotes before they can be used in shortened footnote without being misfiled into Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, since the CITEREFs don't seem to be available to the parser at the point maintenance categories are added. Folly Mox (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Trappist the monk to let me know about {{cite q}} ! How do you "expand {{cite q}} references on sight" ? Jona (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
{{cite q|Q12345|expand=yes}}
{{Citation |id=[[WDQ (identifier)|Wikidata]]&nbsp;[[:d:Q12345|Q12345]] |title=[[Count von Count]]}}
then replace the {{cite q}} template with the expansion and fix/add/delete parameters as needed.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Substing {{Cite Q}} would be orthogonal to its purpose; and Wikidata is "dedicated to citations"; among other things. There have been entire international conferences about such use. You are welcome to supply code to address citevar issues. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessing and clearing the notification counter

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At the extreme top of my User page, between my User name and the tab for my Talk page, are two icons. One is for high-level notifications which shows the number of notifications waiting in a red square; and the other is for low-level notifications which shows number of notifications waiting in a blue square.

For the past few weeks I have been unable to activate either of these facilities. There are notifications waiting to be read but clicking on the icon doesn’t cause anything to happen. I can’t read my notifications and I can’t clear the wait list. How do I fix it?Dolphin (t) 12:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dolphin51 What happens if you navigate to Special:Notifications directly by clicking the link here? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mike Turnbull Thanks Mike. That worked perfectly. I have now read my notifications and the counters have reset to grey (zero?). Dolphin (t) 21:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template provides incorrect information. The reference cited does not support the information mentioned.

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Could you help with the {{reflist}} issue on the Vizhinjam International Seaport page? The template provides incorrect information, and I don't know how to remove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizhinjam_International_Seaport_Thiruvananthapuram Thank you. Hobbywriterae (talk) 13:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answered at the Teahouse, I think. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  FYI

Fixed problem with template use Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Application of WP:CRYSTAL to unscheduled pageant

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The pageant listed above is an unscheduled future event for a new pageant. Since it does not have an established history it is non zero probability that it will not occur this year. Not sure what to do with this, as some of the references for national contests in 2024 seem good enough. But should there be an article at all? Should it be a draft until a date appears?

I have tried to initiate a discussion on the article talkpage, but no participation has occurred yet. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some information there. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Per another editor's suggestion I have draftified to Draft:Miss Charm 2024. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALSA, TEXAS

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The unincorporated town of ALSA, TEXAS is in Van Zandt County, but the lat & long show it being outside GILMER, TEXAS in Upsur County. When I manually enter the information from USGS I get this error Coordinates: 32°81′8″N 96°0′3″W Coordinates: latitude minutes >= 60

{{#coordinates:}}: invalid latitude. Also what is the second set of coordinates shown? DMc75771 (talk) 18:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you're entering the decimal coordinates (32.818, -95.034) in degrees–minutes–seconds form, the second two parameters of which live in a finite field of modulo sixty. See the GeoHack page.   Courtesy link: Alsa, Texas. What second set of coordinates are you referring to, DMc75771? Folly Mox (talk) 19:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, when I search Google maps for "Alsa TX" and drop a pin, I get a longitude pretty exactly one full degree West of the longitude recorded at Wikidata (which populates the infobox map). The latitude is identical. Sounds like a typo. I'll see if I can fix it. Folly Mox (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conformed longitude degree measure with OSM and GMaps value at Wikidata and here. Should be
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 – (Unless I screwed it up.)
Folly Mox (talk) 19:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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