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October 14

Wikipedia article won't show on google search for months

What can be done about inability to access an article on google when searching the name Jalal Khan Orakzai? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 01:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RevolutionaryPatriot. A new article is not indexed by search engines until it has been reviewed by the Wikipedia: New pages patrol or 90 days has passed. Please read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 01:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay Thank you. I was confused as I recall the article Abdul Aziz Khan Kaka popped up properly by itself after a month. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 01:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

RevolutionaryPatriot, that implies that a New Pages Patroller reviewed that article. Cullen328 (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@RevolutionaryPatriot You can easily check the status of an article by going to its "View history" tab and clicking on the "View logs for this page" link top left. One was reviewed on 20 January but the other has not yet been. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

RevolutionaryPatriot Do you have a particular need for it to appear in search results quickly? 331dot (talk) 15:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Nope. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that info -- didn't know that even after years of working here. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

How to create a list of subpages belonging to a category's articles' talk pages

I've been trying to get WP:PetScan to create a list of subpages belonging to a group of talk pages, but it hasn't been very easy for some reason. Say you have Category:American football linebackers; I want PetScan to generate a list of talk page subpages belonging to the articles in the category (e.g., archive subpages). Is this even doable? Thanks in advance. Nythar (💬-🍀) 02:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking into this problem and I think the crux is that the intersection needs to be on categories that are on the Talk pages. There is not a way I can see to retrieve a page set and bootstrap to the page talk pages. At least using this tool. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll state an obvious secondary approach and that is to pull the full page list then process it to create new Talk-page wikilinks. This could be done using a spreadsheet program or any number of scripting languages (e.g. Perl, which I'm partial to). --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ceyockey: Thank you. I'll give this method a try. Nythar (💬-🍀) 20:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I ran a prompt against ChatGPT and the returned info was quite interesting and worth a look. Try using the prompt "Are there tools available which can retrieve a set of Wikipedia Talk pages associated with a set of Wikipedia Article pages?" That should return 6 types of methods, a couple of which might be of use to you @Nythar. I used https://chatgpt.com/ . --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken user page

Hello. For some reason, my user page is combining a heading with my Babel. Could someone check out my user page and tell me what the problem is? MacaroniPizzaHotDog (talk) 03:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@MacaroniPizzaHotDog: Hi MacaroniPizzaHotDog! It was because the {{Userboxbottom}} template wasn't on its own line. I fixed it for you here. cyberdog958^Talk 05:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Possible vandal

Hi, There is this account @DrunkenJoe possibly an alternative account that keeps editing Al-Arqam related articles (Al-Arqam & Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal.) Well the problem here is that the account keeps rewriting the articles and in the process deletes almost all of the critical information, for example Al-Arqam which was rated C class is now half of the original length. He also keeps trying to reword Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal which I don't mind if its helping but the account reworded it literally like a news portal and deleted critical information. Can this possibly be considered vandalism? N niyaz (talk) 08:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't sound like vandalism (which is editing intended to damage Wikipedia), but somebody with a strong opinion which disagrees with yours (I know nothing about the subject, so I have no opinion on who is right or wrong).

There has not so far been any discussion on Talk: Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal, which is where discussion should begin: see WP:BRD. If you cannot reach consensus, then WP:DR tells you the next steps.

In the history of the two articles I see a lot of edits by @DrunkenJoe, and a smaller number by you. I do not see any edit warring, which often happens where there is strong disagreement. Please make sure that it stays that way. ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Sure, maybe @DrunkenJoe did a 'lot' of edits but he never added any information to the pages, instead he just removes all the good information and rewords the articles. Removing information contributed by other people can be some sort of vandalism right? I was the sole contributor of Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal before this, and now he's trying to revamp the page cluelessly and breaking all the formats. N niyaz (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@N niyaz One reason the Al-Arqam article has shrunk is that the child abuse part has been spun out and a {{Main}} template added to one section. As Colin said, the way forward is to engage on the Talk page of one or both of these articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull What was removed in Al-Arqam wasn't even related to the child abuse scandal, it was talking about how the cult operated and those sorts of things. N niyaz (talk) 11:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Again, @N niyaz, don't tell us here, start a calm reasoned discussion on one of those talk pages, and try to reach consensus. Even if you think the other editor is completely wrong, assume good faith is a core policy of Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I tried to tell him at his talk page but he's unresponsive. N niyaz (talk) 12:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @N niyaz. Reaching consensus usually doesn't start by "telling" but by listening. If you start from "I am right and you are wrong", then you are not collaborating, you are trying to control. That's not how Wikipedia works. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Edits for a page.

Hey I have joined a organization and the asked me to miantain their wikipedia page, I have created the content with adhering to wikipedia policies, but the reference and citation I used was from the company own website, some blogs on some sites are the enough or whould I add some different references and citations?, I also want to add some Images, but what images should I use? Ateeb Ali Syed (talk) 14:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Ateeb Ali Syed First, you must make a conflict of interest disclosure. If you are employed by the organization or they compensate you in any manner(it doesn't have to be money) the Terms of use require a paid editing disclosure from you.

Instead of thinking about it as "their Wikipedia page", think of it as a Wikipedia article about them. This may adjust your mindset a bit. Your organization has no special rights to the article about it, though its input is welcome. If the article already exists, you should make an edit request on the article talk page(there is an edit request wizard to facilitate that, if needed) detailing changes you feel are needed. If you want to write a new article, you should use the Article Wizard. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

You can in some circumstances cite the organisation's website or blog, but only for certain things (a new CEO, a change of address; but note extraordinary claims like sales figures or awards). For images, WP:IfSMC covers the main points, albeit it has a social media focus. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Movies crew credits

I am currently editing and improving articles about old Iranian movies on Persian Wikipedia. One of the sections I’ve added is the production crew, including assistants, stage designers, makeup artists, and other technical staff. Is it against Wikipedia’s policies to include less prominent crew members in these pages? I’ve noticed that many articles don’t include this section, but I believe a short production crew list could be useful, especially for shorter articles that may not have much content. usually the main reference in these article are opening and closing credits and amybe some of those people are not wellknown. Thanks Mohsen Bagheri (talk) 22:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The English Language Wikipedia and the Persian Wikipedia are two separate projects: neither has any jurisdiction over the other, and each has its own consensus-generated rules and procedures, which are bound to differ in many details, so generally no-one here can give such advice relevant to the Persian Wikipedia.

It's possible that someone reading this query will be bilingual in English and Farsi, conversant with that Wikipedia's rules, and will respond here, but it's far from certain. (Check back here in a day or three, just in case.) You might do better asking on the Persian Wikipedia itself, at its own equivalent to this Helpdesk (if any). Sorry not to be of more help. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 06:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Try asking at fa:ویکی‌پدیا:درخواست راهنمایی ColinFine (talk) 09:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)