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Welcome to the Museums WikiProject! A chunk of this text has been stolen borrowed under GFDL ;) from other Wiki Projects.

Goals
  • Improve Wikipedia's coverage of museums.
  • Improve quality of existing articles
  • Expand smaller museums in non-English dominant countries where articles are little more than a sentence.
  • Create guidelines for articles about museums.
Scope
  • The project covers all articles about museums in a wide range of disciplines and locations throughout the world. By member consensus, it does not include aquaria, herbaria, zoos and other non-museum 'collections' because these are well-covered in other projects.
  • For those within the museum sector, and collaborations between Wikipedia and institutions, see Wikipedia:Advice for the cultural sector.

To Do

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Ongoing cleanup

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There is an ongoing cleanup/developing in the undeveloped stub articles of Category:Museums in Greece to determine which of them meet with notability standards, develop them to at least basic stubs and nominate for deletion all the rest. You can help here. Participants: User:Thaliapap, User:Hoverfish

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Museums and libraries AfDs

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Culturenet Cymru

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Culturenet Cymru (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Culturenet Cymru was established as a company within the National Library of Wales for the purpose of creating a body that Welsh Government could fund outside of the NLW sponsorship arrangement, with a remit to develop online resources. The company was based in NLW, all the directors and officers were NLW staff, and the employees were subject to NLW regulations. The arrangement was wound up in 2016 and all of the projects were transferred directly into NLW. It was never independently notable, generating a couple of news articles (that I cannot now find) only when one employee, whose contract was terminated, alleged he had fixed an online poll they ran. That coverage did not explore the nature of the company, and my recollection is that the news media were directed to NLW itself. As such this is not notable and does not meet WP:NCORP. I was going to redirect to the NLW page but it is not mentioned there, and I do not feel a mention of the company is due there. Thus a redirect is not possible (no mention on the target page). I am therefore nominating here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Museums and libraries, Companies, Popular culture, and Internet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that it isn't notable enough for a stand-alone article, as I cannot find any significant coverage in independent sources. Redirect to 100 Welsh Heroes, its one notable project, where Culturenet Cymbru is briefly described (and is an article that has survived AfD). Schazjmd (talk) 21:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I searched for information about this company on every search engine but found nothing. I don’t believe it is notable or meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for companies (WP:NCORP). Baqi:) (talk) 08:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to National Library of Wales per WP:ATD or keep for passing WP:SIGCOV. A basic WP:BEFORE search shows plenty of coverage in google books such as [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], etc This was a notable project and the content would be a reasonable subsection in the NLW article. I also see no issue with leaving it as a stand alone article. Either way, deletion or a redirect to 100 Welsh Heroes is not the answer as the organization was involved in multiple large digitization projects of note; some of which are the primary subject of journal articles viewable in this Google Scholar search. 4meter4 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    SIGCOV must be more than a mention. Indeed, Culturenet must meet WP:NORG as the appropriate SNG. The guidance on SIGCOV may be found under WP:ORGDEPTH which says, inter alia,

    Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization.

    Your references 2-6 are all passing mentions. "Culturenet's gathering the jewels" or a caption for an image, or "now available on..." are all passing mentions. None of these are SIGCOV by any margin, let alone ORGDEPTH. The first reference is longer. It has a paragraph about what CultureNet was remitted to do. It is not, to my mind, coverage at ORGDEPTH, but that one is moot in any case. The paragraph was written by CyMAL: Museums Archives and Libraries Wales for the Welsh Affairs Committee Evidence, included in a section on the National Library. CyMAL was a division of Welsh Government, and Welsh Government sponsor NLW. CyMAL funded Culturenet's GTJ and other such projects. This, then, is a primary source and not independent. It is Welsh Government telling the Welsh Affairs committee about the work it is doing. To meet WP:NORG (or WP:GNG for that matter), multiple sources must have significant coverage, and be independent, reliable secondary sources. See WP:SIRS. None of these meet these criteria. Redirecting to 100 Welsh Heroes per Schazjmd would be more sensible as a WP:ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the coverage is trivial. There are multiple journal articles with the organization in the title of the article in google scholar. These in combination with the book sources (of which I just randomly listed the first books in the search; but there were pages of book hits) would pass WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT. The scope of the Culturenet Cymru makes 100 Welsh Heroes a bad merge target; although it would be ok as a redirect. Doing that however, would lose encyclopedic information of value which would be WP:DUEWEIGHT in the article on the National Library of Wales. Given your argument that company has essentially been folded into the NLW in your deletion nomination, the NLW is clearly the better target for both a merge and a redirect.4meter4 (talk) 17:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the coverage is trivial. To take just one of these as an example, we read: "All-Wales examples include Culturenet Cymru's Gathering the Jewels (20,000-plus items) and the National Library's Digital Mirror (0.5m-plus items)..." (Osmond, 2006). Now compare that text to the relevant section of ORGDEPTH I quote above. This is not significant coverage. Not under GNG and certainly not under NORG. And they are all at this level. Maybe the problem here is that your "randomly listed" selection is where the BEFORE was not carried out. Why do you think I am unfamiliar with that literature? But where is the deep or significant coverage about Culturenet? Where is the coverage that extends well beyond brief mentions? The information from which an article can be written? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, because cherry picking the weakest source of the bunch, and misrepresenting the quoted text in that source by taking it out of paragraph/section context is a balanced and fair way to do source analysis 🙄.4meter4 (talk) 19:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Museums and libraries Proposed Deletions

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Recognized content

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Biblioteca Marciana • Bodiam Castle • Bruce Castle • Ceilings of the Natural History Museum, London • Chartwell • The Cloisters • USS Constitution • Cragside • Empire of the Sultans • Ford Piquette Avenue Plant • Hajj: Journey to the Heart of Islam • Ham House • Hockey Hall of Fame • Icelandic Phallological Museum • Literary Hall • Little Moreton Hall • Ludwigsburg Palace • Manzanar • Mary Rose • USS Missouri (BB-63) • Museum of Bad Art • Norton Priory • Palazzo Pitti • Franklin Peale • Secretum (British Museum) • Tower of London • John Treloar (museum administrator) • HMS Warrior (1860) • West Wycombe Park

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Baden-Powell House • New Orleans Mint

Featured article candidates

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Merchant's House Museum

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Leuchtenberg Gallery • List of Smithsonian museums • List of video games in the Museum of Modern Art • List of museums in Somerset • List of National Treasures of Japan (crafts: others)

A-Class articles

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HMS Belfast

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Alatskivi Castle • Arnolfini, Bristol • Baltic Centre for Contemporary Art • Barrington Court • Bath Abbey • Bath Assembly Rooms • Beckford's Tower • Beit Al Quran • HMS Belfast • Congregation Beth Israel (Scottsdale, Arizona) • Blagdon Lake • Blaise Castle Estate • British Engineerium • British Library • Byne's disease • Casa de Estudillo • Churchill War Rooms • Clevedon Court • Clinton Presidential Center • Coleridge Cottage • Copia (museum) • Craigflower Manor and Schoolhouse • Croatian Natural History Museum • Cummer Museum of Art and Gardens • Currency Building • DakshinaChitra • Debbane Palace • Derwent Valley Mills • Deshong Art Museum • Dia Bridgehampton • DuSable Black History Museum and Education Center • Dunster Castle • Dunster Working Watermill • Dyrham Park • Ebenezer Avery House • Eisenhower National Historic Site • Eldridge Street Synagogue • Ellwood House • Farleigh Hungerford Castle • Fort Dansborg • Frick Collection • Fyne Court • Garbage Museum • Jordan Geller • Getty Center • Getty Villa • Glastonbury Abbey • Glenstone • Golden Age of Trucking Museum • Alice Gray • SS Great Britain • Gwinnett Environmental & Heritage Center • Hallie Ford Museum of Art • Holy Jesus Hospital • Imperial War Museum Duxford • Imperial War Museum • Imperial War Museum North • Indianapolis Museum of Art • Intrepid Museum • Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum theft • Jewel Tower • John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum • William B. Jordan • Kenilworth Castle • Kew Herbarium • Khalili Collection of Aramaic Documents • King John's Hunting Lodge, Axbridge • Kingston Lacy • La Nube • Lacock Abbey • Letocetum • Louvre Abu Dhabi • Louvre • Lyme Park • Lytes Cary • Madame Tussauds Hong Kong • USS Massachusetts (BB-59) • Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici • Merchant's House Museum • Montacute House • Morgan Library & Museum • Morris–Jumel Mansion • Museum de Oude Wolden • Museum of Contemporary Art Australia • Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago • Museum of Socialist Art • My Old Kentucky Home State Park • Napoleonic looting of art • National Gallery • National Museum of Beirut • National Museum of African Art • National Press Monument • USS North Carolina (BB-55) • Old Korean Legation Museum • Old Stone House (Washington, D.C.) • Palais Rohan, Strasbourg • Palanga Amber Museum • Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum • Penrhyn Castle • Petersen Rock Garden

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Former good articles

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City and Town Hall (Rochelle, Illinois) • Flat Top Manor • Forbidden City • Juliana Force • Gunston Hall • Harness Racing Museum & Hall of Fame • Kentucky Railway Museum • Mark Twain House • Met Gala • The Museum of Curiosity • Museum of the Portuguese Language • North Carolina Transportation Museum • Sistine Chapel • Tower Building of the Little Rock Arsenal • Vilnius Castle Complex • White Pine Village

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New York Hall of Science

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Did you know? articles

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Martha Heasley Cox Center for Steinbeck Studies (2024-11-15) • Irish Museum of Time (2024-11-11) • New York Hall of Science (2024-10-27) • Trade Fair Palace (2024-10-12) • Victoria Siddall (2024-10-11) • La Nube (2024-09-23) • Morgan Library & Museum (2024-09-15) • Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics (2024-08-22) • Mercer Art Gallery (2024-08-17) • The American Pigeon Museum & Library (2024-08-15) • Poozeum (2024-08-13) • Sophienburg Museum and Archives (2024-07-29) • Peale's Philadelphia Museum (2024-06-06) • Lyceum Theatre (Boston) (2024-06-03) • Galileo's middle finger (2024-05-30) • Eldridge Street Synagogue (2024-05-24) • Heaven on Earth: Art from Islamic Lands (2024-05-19) • Herodian Quarter (2024-04-12) • Frick Collection (2024-03-31) • Safe House Black History Museum (2024-03-21) • Adila Laïdi-Hanieh (2024-01-28) • Van Cortlandt House (2024-01-25) • Empire of the Sultans (2024-01-18) • Kansas Business Hall of Fame (2024-01-06) • Al Qarara Cultural Museum (2023-12-28) • Springfield Science Museum (2023-12-27) • Palestine Museum of Natural History (2023-12-01) • Morris–Jumel Mansion (2023-11-23) • Deshong Art Museum (2023-11-22) • Merchant's House Museum (2023-11-04) • Intrepid Museum (2023-10-11) • Mitzura Arghezi (2023-10-06) • Ni'isjoohl totem pole (2023-10-04) • Museum of Norwich at the Bridewell (2023-09-25) • Gladys Quander Tancil (2023-08-09) • National Jewellery Museum (Morocco) (2023-07-12) • Republican Palace Museum (2023-06-07) • Equestrian Portrait of Count Stanislas Potocki (2023-06-02) • Richard Childress Racing Museum (2023-04-08) • Powis Castle (2023-03-24) • Rancho Obi-Wan (2023-03-20) • Penrhyn Castle (2023-03-17) • Paul Delvaux Museum (2023-01-08) • Hajj: Journey to the Heart of Islam (2022-12-31) • Hasanpaşa Gasworks (2022-11-01) • Pokémon Fossil Museum (2022-10-31) • Patterson's Spade Mill (2022-10-28) • Gwinnett Environmental & Heritage Center (2022-09-16) • Bangabandhu Memorial Museum (2022-09-13) • BlossomWatch (2022-08-21) • Knowles Mill (2022-08-11) • Museo Cabeza de Juárez (2022-07-28) • Deutsches Romantik-Museum (2022-07-28) • Sakhalin Regional Museum (2022-06-19) • The Most Dangerous Animal in the World (2022-05-31) • Puente de Fierro (2022-05-28) • Fosterfields (2022-05-20) • Ashton Hawkins (2022-04-27) • Museum of Sexual Cultures (2022-04-11) • Froggyland (2022-04-09) • Napoleonic looting of art (2022-04-08) • Horpyna Vatchenko (2022-04-02) • Alena Aladava (2022-03-21) • Dow's Hill Interpretation Centre (2022-03-07) • Museum of Classic Sci-Fi (2022-03-03) • Casa Rull Museum (2022-02-21) • International Vinegar Museum (2022-02-14) • Stahls Automotive Collection (2022-02-11) • Museum of Contemporary Art Australia (2022-02-07) • Stanton Catlin (2022-01-09) • Phil Silvers Archival Museum (2022-01-02) • Wenzhou Museum (2021-12-19) • West Virginia Music Hall of Fame (2021-12-01) • Maison James Norman Hall (2021-11-26) • Harry Ferris Brazenor (2021-10-26) • Jersey Maritime Museum (2021-10-23) • Ham House (2021-10-17) • Report on the restitution of African cultural heritage (2021-09-21) • National Museum of Vanuatu (2021-09-08) • Tāoga Niue Museum (2021-09-03) • Huanaki Cultural Centre & Museum (2021-09-03) • Cook Islands National Museum (2021-09-02) • James Dickinson (taxidermist) (2021-08-28) • Land of Lost Content (museum) (2021-08-27) • Leeds Tiger (2021-07-24) • Jordan Geller (2021-07-08) • National Museum of Ireland – Decorative Arts and History (2021-06-28) • Amna Suraka (2021-06-18) • Casa Anchieta (2021-06-12) • Robert Louis Stevenson Museum (2021-06-05) • Museum of French Art (2021-05-31) • Musée de l'Amérique francophone (2021-05-18) • Musée Archéologique de Dijon (2021-05-18) • Museum of Literature Ireland (2021-05-18) • Kosrae State Museum (2021-05-18) • Kimiuo Aisek Memorial Museum (2021-05-18) • Jesús Soto Museum of Modern Art (2021-05-18) • Michael Xufu Huang (2021-05-07) • Currency Building (2021-05-05) • Wilson-Wodrow-Mytinger House (2021-04-24)

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Main page featured articles

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Secretum (British Museum) (2024-10-03) • Empire of the Sultans (2024-07-23) • Hajj: Journey to the Heart of Islam (2023-05-17) • Ham House (2022-02-28) • Biblioteca Marciana (2021-03-25) • Ceilings of the Natural History Museum, London (2020-07-30) • Baden-Powell House (2020-02-08) • Chartwell (2019-09-29) • Ludwigsburg Palace (2019-05-18) • The Cloisters (2018-12-01) • Ford Piquette Avenue Plant (2018-06-16) • Cragside (2018-02-09) • Literary Hall (2017-09-23) • HMS Warrior (1860) (2015-12-29) • USS Constitution (2015-02-20) • Franklin Peale (2014-04-14) • John Treloar (museum administrator) (2013-11-11) • Icelandic Phallological Museum (2013-03-16) • Little Moreton Hall (2013-01-12) • Bodiam Castle (2011-09-15) • Tower of London (2010-09-29) • Norton Priory (2010-08-22) • Mary Rose (2010-07-19) • Bruce Castle (2009-07-02) • Museum of Bad Art (2009-04-01) • Manzanar (2008-04-26) • Hockey Hall of Fame (2008-03-07) • West Wycombe Park (2007-07-03) • New Orleans Mint (2007-03-07) • Palazzo Pitti (2006-03-15) • USS Missouri (BB-63) (2005-09-02)

In the News articles

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Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City (2021-07-22) • Margaret Weston (2021-01-16) • Ricardo Brennand (2020-04-26) • Singer Laren (2020-03-31) • National Museum of Brazil fire (2018-09-03) • National Museum of Brazil (2018-09-03) • Cheryll Sotheran (2017-12-31) • National Museum of Natural History, New Delhi (2016-04-28) • Bardo National Museum attack (2015-03-18) • Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting (2014-05-25) • Neues Museum (2009-10-18) • Acropolis Museum (2009-06-20)

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See also

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