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Diligent Corporation History and Acquisitions - open edit request

Hi WikiProject New Zealand, I'm Julia from Diligent Corporation. I am requesting editor assistance to update Diligent's article. I am posting on WP:New Zealand since Diligent used to be listed on the New Zealand Exchange. I have a few open edit requests which can be found here:

concise history rewrite and new additions to expansion & acquisitions.

I have a COI so I will not edit the article myself. Thanks in advance. JHDiligent (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Rumble Seamounts

I'm pulling together some stuff in preparation for an article about the rumble seamounts, but I've been in two minds about whether it would be better for articles on the individual seamounts (eg. Rumble III, Rumble IV and so on) or for one article on the seamount group as a whole (eg. Rumble seamounts) – does anyone have any thoughts on what the best approach to take would be? Turnagra (talk) 23:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Well, if you are unsure, I'd write the overarching article first. If there's enough material that justifies a split, this will become obvious soon enough. Which would then leave you with a page that you could use for disambiguation purposes. Schwede66 05:03, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion of the use of Indigenous names for Australian cities which NZ editors may be able to help with

Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Indigenous names may be of interest to members of this project. It's safe to say that NZ is much further down the path of commonly recognising and using indigenous names for places than Australia, and there have been some good discussions of that topic here. Expertise from NZ editors on how this issue has been managed and lessons learned from the process would be helpful in the discussion concerning Australia. Nick-D (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board has an RFC

Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for consideration. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the [page]. Thank you. Poketama (talk) 16:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Please can you post the link. I have looked at the Australian page and can't find the discussion your are referring to. Pakoire (talk) 03:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Kia ora Lisa, here's the link. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 03:45, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Yikes – I know I've gotten into more than my share of heated discussions on here, but that's a whole other level. Turnagra (talk) 04:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Wellington Wiki Meetup - Saturday 14th May

The upcoming Wellington Wikipedia meet up will be held IN PERSON at the He Matapihi Molesworth Library at the National Library, corner Molesworth and Aitken Streets at 10am Saturday May 14th. Face masks are required to be worn. For more information and the agenda click here. Ambrosia10 (talk) 19:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Auckland Museum Wikipedia & Aotearoa NZ Histories Curriculum research update and a new project

Kia ora koutou. In March last year Tāmaki Paenga Hira Auckland War Memorial Museum applied for Wikimedia Foundation funding to investigate teachers' attitudes towards using Wikipedia in secondary school classrooms, with a focus on teaching the upcoming compulsory Aotearoa NZ Histories Curriculum. We were successful with our application and the research has now been completed and can be read here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Wikipedia_and_the_Aotearoa_New_Zealand_History_Curriculum/Final_Report

The TLDR is:

• Most participants saw Wikipedia as a reliable resource for national Aotearoa New Zealand history content and valuable to both inform their teaching and for their students to access information for enquiry-based studies.
• The question of reliability was a concern when it came to accessing local histories on Wikipedia. The encyclopedia was not generally seen as an accurate source of information in this area.
• Teachers saw Wikipedia as having the potential to contribute to how students learn to think critically about sources and develop the skills to differentiate between knowledge that is supported by reliable evidence and unverified narratives.
• While a substantial number of participants thought articles were well written and accessible, there were some who indicated their students found the reading level of the articles too advanced.

A big thanks to the members of this community for their support of this project. There’s some really interesting data that was gathered, and I encourage anyone interested in the use of Wikipedia in the classroom to take a look.

Based on this research, which identified gaps in local history content, we have put in a further funding bid for an Auckland focused local history editing project: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Alliances_Fund/Making_local_history_more_accessible_for_teachers_in_T%C4%81maki_Makaurau_Auckland

We think this project has exciting potential as another GLAM-Wiki collaboration, increasing the local editor pool and making Wikipedia an even more useful resource for teachers and students. Any feedback or support from the community would be much appreciated!

I'm happy to discuss further if anyone here is interested, you can contact me on my talk page or on the funding application discussion page. Cheers! Jetaynz (talk) 02:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposed updates to Xero article

Kia ora WikiProject New Zealand. I'm JT from Xero, and I have made a couple of requests for edits at Xero that may interest members of this group. I'm an employee of Xero so I have a conflict of interest and do not make edits myself. I'm happy to talk more about the request on the article's Talk page. Does anyone have a moment to take a look? Thanks in advance - JT at Xero (talk) 04:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@JT at Xero: Hi JT. I think someone will get to it when they can, but it's good to see you following good conflict of interest processes. If you want to learn more about editting for an organisation I would point you to Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations and Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, though you appear to be onto it. Nauseous Man (talk) 09:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Updated. I think the FY22 annual report is reliable and uncontraversial enough, even though it is a primary source.—Jon (talk) 04:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

New Zealand CPI index for calculating inflation on historical sums now available

Hi everyone, I stumbled into the really nifty {{inflation}} template recently, for being able to say things like "Doris donated £10,000 to the organisation in 1965 (equivalent to $410,000 in 2021)". Thanks largely to @Zoozaz1 and @Paine Ellsworth we can now do that for New Zealand historical sums! If you want to see the nitty gritties, have a look also at {{inflation/NZ}} and {{inflation/NZ/dataset}} (which you don't use directly, but are used by the main template to calculate everything). For example, on the Hannah Playhouse article we need to show what NZ£150,000 in 1965 is in todays money:

{{Inflation|NZ|300000|start_year=1965 | fmt=eq | r=-3 }}

Which produces: "equivalent to $6,370,000 in 2021." Note that if we are using amounts from before New Zealand decimalised the currency in 1967, we need to double it (i.e. NZ£150,000 = NZ$300,000). To add a reference, use the {{inflation/fn}} template, which generates this. Anyway, have at it, intrepid historians! — Jon (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Jon (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

That's awesome. Thanks for letting us all know, Jon. Schwede66 08:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

2022 Budget

Hi there, I am working on a draft article for the 2022 New Zealand budget. I am issuing a call for other editors who would like to work on the article. I am drawing on several sources including a Radio New Zealand article. I want to avoid copyright violations. Appreciate feedback and advice. Andykatib 23:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion this draft article looks good and is ready to be published in the mainspace. You've used several sources so that should be okay regarding copyvio. JaumeBG (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

How does using several sources avoid copyvio? Not saying it is one, just wondering about the logic. Aircorn (talk) 16:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

The article looks good to me, and I agree that it is ready for publication in mainspace. The Earwig's copyvio tool did not reveal anything significant that needs rework. Good work :) Marshelec (talk) 01:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The article was plenty good enough and I hope you don't mind me having published it. That avoids others working on a draft for the same topic wasting their time and our readers might as well get the benefit of a mainspace article. Good work, Andykatib! Schwede66 01:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Schwede66, Marshelec, and JaumeBG, thanks so much for you support. Thanks Schwede66 for getting the article published. Sorry, I have been preoccupied with other things at home and work. So I haven't been able to attend to the article. I agree that it will be a good idea to have a mainspace article for the 2022 NZ budget. It will still need more work particularly on natural resources and defence spending but at least people have a mainspace article that they can work on. Andykatib 23:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Platinum Jubilee

Is anyone interested in making an article on the 1953–54 royal tour of New Zealand, with the Platinum Jubilee around the corner? It's on my long-list of projects, but it's a little outside my regular scope. At the moment, it's only briefly mentioned in the article Royal visits to New Zealand, but there are plenty of good sources out there ([1][2][3][4]) and some good fair use images available, too ([5][6]). --Prosperosity (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

(I'd also recommend Manawatū Heritage for anyone searching for historic photos - I'd never seen their website before today, but there are some amazing heritage photographs here (with a clear CC-BY license!)) --Prosperosity (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow, excellent tip! Dracophyllum 23:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

NZ Biodiversity sites deprecated

The organisation that I work for Landcare Research has deprecated some old websites with biodiversity that are extensively cited on wikipedia. The flora / inverts / and fungi data has migrated to https://biotanz.landcareresearch.co.nz so it is not gone but all the URLs are different. I will try to convince to developers to get a per URL redirect in place, but perhaps that won't happen. The "key" is the same though so manual migration is possible and I have done this for most fungi pages, e.g. see this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ileodictyon_cibarium&diff=prev&oldid=1091289336&diffmode=source

However other sites will be gone for good e.g. https://www.bugz.org.nz/ there are quite a number of cites to the website (500+) see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=http%3A%2F%2F*.bugz.org.nz&title=Special%3ALinkSearch&title=Special%3ALinkSearch ideally these would be archived with the bot: https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle&action=analyzepage but not sure how to bulk archive an existing links that seems to only be an option for single URLs.

Let me know if you can help or have a good way to bulk archive this links before the websites are gone. --Onco p53 (talk) 05:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Onco p53, I've asked some folk I know at the Internet Archive to give us a hand to archive the links in BUGZ. I don't know whether they will but it's worth asking. I've also begged Landcare Research via twitter to redirect links. Who knows whether this will work but it's worth a try. I'll bring this up at the Aotearoa New Zealand wikipedia meetup and see if folk can give a hand. - Ambrosia10 (talk)

User:Onco p53, further to my above reply, I've requested that the National Library of NZ archive the BUGZ website (whether or when this will happen I do not know). I'm also in discussions with Mark Graham from the Internet Archive to archive the BUGZ site and all the links to the digitised biodiversity literature so that it is available for future use in the Wayback Machine. Also, once archived, the Wikipedia citations to that resource will then be able to have the archived link added to the reference (if they haven't already) by a bot that currently undertakes this type of work. I'm also intending to email Manaaki Whenua Landcare Research directly to also try to convince the developers to put a url redirect in place for the data that have been migrated to biotanz. I understand it is likely you will be receiving an email from Mark about these issues, so just giving you a heads up! - Ambrosia10 (talk)

Requested move at Talk:Codfish Island#Requested move 14 May 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Codfish Island#Requested move 14 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Aotearoa New Zealand online meetup Sunday 5th June

Reminder: The Aotearoa New Zealand Online meetup is being held tomorrow (Sunday 5th of June) at Noon until 2pm. Join us! Ambrosia10 (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

An invitation to help the West Coast Wikipedian at Large

News from the West Coast

Development West Coast have kindly agreed to support another short Wikipedian at Large contract on the West Coast, to cover areas that were missed the first time around: Lake Brunner, Te Wahipounamu, Ōpārara Arches, and Punakaiki. From June 20th to August 26th I'll be improving articles, Wikidata, and photo collections on these areas, and would love some help. I'm inviting editors to sign up on the project page; there'll be a fortnightly "postcards from the Coast" of to-dos and updates, and prizes for the most and best contributions by volunteers. Hope to see you there! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC))

Proposed split at Talk:Bay of Plenty#Splitting proposal

There is a proposed split discussion at Talk:Bay of Plenty#Splitting proposal that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Turnagra (talk) 03:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Alan Hall

I have submitted a skeleton draft article of Alan Hall here. If anyone wants to complete it, then please do. I chose the non-ambiguous title using "prisoner" because it seemed the most appropriate from the options I could think of. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether the person is notable. The case is certainly notable. But in either case (no pun intended), you haven't started a bio but written about the case. Maybe that's the appropriate thing to do anyway. Schwede66 05:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see...oops. Same as the Bain family murders I suppose. I'm not sure how to go about changing this - abandon and start again or re-name the draft? It's yet another of these miscarriages, or alleged miscarriages, that have plagued NZ justice over the last 40 or so years. I had initially thought there might be an article on that but it is hard to see how all these separately notable cases could be bound together into one article. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I see a close parallel with the article about Teina Pora. That article is also more about the case than being a biography of the subject. With regards to the proposed title, "prisoner" doesn't seem right to me. While this might be a bit unusual, perhaps Alan Hall (New Zealander) might be better - it is neutral, and more appropriate than "prisoner" for a person who has had convictions quashed after 19 years. When the entry is added to a disambiguation page for Alan Hall, there could perhaps be a phrase explaining he had convictions quashed after 19 years.Marshelec (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it didn't sound right to me either. I'm beginning to wish I had approached this draft more slowly with a bit more thought rather than rushing into it over a quick coffee. If the article was about the case, not him, the disambiguation necessity wouldn't be there anyway. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

We can move this within draft space; just need to figure out what we want to call it. "Alan Hall miscarriage of justice" would be a mouthful but describes what's been going on. BTW, there is an article termed List of miscarriage of justice cases which has a New Zealand section. That said, there's certainly enough material available to make this a standalone article. Schwede66 11:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

What about creating a page on the Murder of Arthur Easton and folding it into that? Aircorn (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Unlike the Bain family murders, the coverage isn't really about the murder at all, so I'm not sure that this would be the right path (if it were, apparently the usual name is the "Grove Road murder" [7]). A number of sources refer to this as the "Alan Hall case" or "Alan Hall's case" ([8], [9]), which might be suitable? Furius (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Just closing this out – I see that an article has been published at Wrongful conviction of Alan Hall. That's separate to your draft, Roger 8 Roger. See whether anything could be merged but given how detailed the mainspace article is, making we can just nuke the draft. If you'd like that to happen, please say so and I can see to that. Schwede66 08:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am happy someone has created an article on this topic properly - my draft will die a death, especially now its sources have been removed. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 20:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "its sources have been removed", Roger 8 Roger. I've moved the external links and the see also section to the main space article. None of the references have been removed; they are still there. My question was whether you would like to merge any of the content to the main space article. If yes, please do. If not, I will go ahead and delete the draft. Schwede66 22:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Please remove the draft, including its sources. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 23:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Schwede66 23:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Wellington Wiki Meetup - Saturday 11th June

The upcoming Wellington Wikipedia meet up will be held IN PERSON at the He Matapihi Molesworth Library at the National Library, corner Molesworth and Aitken Streets at 10am Saturday June 11th. Face masks are required to be worn. For more information and the agenda click here. Ambrosia10 (talk) 02:33, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Critter of the Week: recruiting editors

Every week on RNZ, Jesse Mulligan and Nic Toki talk about a different NZ species on Critter of the Week. I've been supporting them for 7 years, trying to create or improve Wikipedia articles for each species they talk about. But I could do with help. If you want to join Team Critter, add yourself to the project page and let me know your email address. You'll get a weekly email with the week's critter, what needs doing, and some useful links. We need editors who can do any of:

• contact photographers and clear images for Commons
• search for journal articles and compile bibliographies
• write taxonomy or description sections (so anyone with some biology expertise would be welcome)
• comb through news stories and magazine articles for conservation and culture sections
• gardening: infobox, Commons/Wikispecies links, an image gallery, date/en-NZ formats, and a link to the radio episode.

I'm also working on userboxes and barnstars for the team. The work we do gets a regular shoutout from Jesse Mulligan, and is good PR for Wikipedia in NZ. A couple of weeks ago, Wikipedia research may have even discovered a new species of fish parasite (hear the interview here). So if anyone's interested in helping out, let me know. — Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 08:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Auckland Wiki Meetup - Saturday 2 July 2022

The upcoming Auckland Wikipedia meet up will be held in person at the Reading Room (Library) Level 2, Auckland War Memorial Museum Tāmaki Paenga Hira, on Saturday 2 July 2022. The event information is here. Come say hello! --Prosperosity (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Reminder:Aotearoa New Zealand Online Meetup

The Aotearoa New Zealand Wiki meetup will be held virtually tomorrow Sunday 26th of June from midday until 2pm. Anyone interested in attending would be most welcome. See the agenda for more details and the link to join the meeting. Ambrosia10 (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

"Tramping" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Tramping and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 5#Tramping until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Turnagra (talk) 06:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Wellington Wikimedia Meetup - Saturday 9 July 2022

The Wellington Wiki meet up will be held in person at the He Matapihi Molesworth Library at the National Library, corner Molesworth and Aitken Streets, Wellington. The meeting will start at 10am and more information and the agenda can be found here. Looking forwarding to seeing those editors interested in participating. Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

FAR for green and golden bell frog

I have nominated Green and golden bell frog for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 16:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

The Bone People or the bone people

Kia ora koutou. I was sorry to miss the Wellington meetup yesterday; I had an all-day course for work so unfortunately couldn't make it, but hope it was a great meeting. Something I'd be keen to get others' input into and views on is the capitalisation of the article for The Bone People. I've added my thoughts to the talk page, but am raising here for greater visibility. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming ESEAP conference in Sydney, November 2022

Please see below for a message from the ESEAP conference organisers:

My Fellow Wikimedians, I am delighted to announce that the Wikimedia East, South East Asia and the Pacific also known as ESEAP will be having an in-person conference in Sydney, Australia on November 18-20.

The goals for the conference are:

• Strategic discussions: ESEAP Hub governance, process of moving from an informal group to more formal structure aligned with the Hubs/Minimum Criteria for Pilots
• Partnership, Tools & Skills: Outreach and community collaboration support networks; building a network of skill sets so that communities in the region can provide extra outreach support and collaboration across the region; and
• Leadership development through building networks that encourage new and wider diversity of participants to enable future growth

For more information, please visit https://w.wiki/5RVH or at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ESEAP_Conference_2022.

Scholarship application is ongoing. You may go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ESEAP_Conference_2022/Attend to know more. Deadline for scholarship application is on 24 July (Sunday) at 12:00 UTC.

We also call for volunteers to the following committees:

• Scholarship committee
• Program submissions review committee
• Communications committee
• Onsite & technical volunteers

For inquiries, please reach us at  eseap.conf at wikimedia.org.au

MurielMary (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Te Urewera roundabout

I'm trying to work out the various articles that we have on Te Urewera. There appear to be:

• Te Urewera National Park on the national park that existed from 1954 to 2014 (with a hatnote sending a reader interested in the current protected area to Te Urewera). Most templates, etc., send readers to this article.
• Te Urewera on the geographic area (I think... the scope's not super clearly defined), with a hatnote sending a reader interested in the current protected area to Te Urewera (protected area)
• Te Urewera (protected area) which is a redirect sending the reader to Te Urewera National Park

So, someone looking for an article on the protected area gets sent round in a circle, which is unsatisfactory, and we don't seem to actually have an article on the current protected area. I wonder whether it might make sense to turn the Te Urewera National Park into the article on the new protected area, with the old national park as part of its history section. What do people think should be done? Furius (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I think in an ideal world where the article on the National Park is significantly larger than it is we could get away with having both, but given the current state of it I think your idea of turning the National park article into one about the protected area is probably the best one, with a fair bit of detail on the NP in the history (and maybe a separate section altogether on its disestablishment?)

As an aside, I've been thinking more generally about the state of our national park articles and that we should have a concerted effort to bring them up to the level they deserve. We were talking about it a bit over at the ongoing west coast project (pinging Marshelec) and so could start pulling something together for that to help in this regard? Turnagra (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal to turn the existing Te Urewera National Park article into one about the protected area, and cover its former status as National Park in the history.Marshelec (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree too. It was actually turned into an article about the protected area 4 years ago and remained that way until 7 weeks ago. In July 2018 Paewiki moved Te Urewera National Park to Te Urewera (protected area) as in this version. On 27 May 2022 Moonraker boldly moved it back and edited the article. I suggest reverting the recent article move and reviewing Moonraker's edits to see what should accordingly be kept or changed. Courtesy pings to @Moonraker: @Paewiki: for their info. Nurg (talk) 00:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Nurg and Marshelec Te Urewera National Park and Te Urewera (the present legal entity) are both notable topics and surely merit articles. If someone wants to merge them, we could have an AfD, but I think keeping them separate helps to make things clear. In particular, if we search “Te Urewera National Park” on Jstor or Google books we find hundreds of hits to help with the improvements Turnagra wants to see. Searches for “Te Urewera protected area” do find a few hits and seem to show that the term is used to mean the same thing as the present Te Urewera, so I have redirected it there and fixed the hatnote. We need the Te Urewera article to be greatly improved. Moonraker (talk) 14:28, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

But does the protected area cover the whole of Te Urewera? This map indicates that large parts of Te Urewera are privately owned by Tuhoe and that other parts of the hills are outside both Tuhoe ownership and the protected area: [10]. Furius (talk) 12:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I had a chat with Moonraker at Talk:Te Urewera 2-3 weeks back to clarify that the protected area does not occupy all of Te Urewera, and we got on the same page with regard to that. What we still need to resolve is whether we should continue with a single combined article for the erstwhile national park and the current legal person entity (in addition to the article about the wider area) or whether we should have separate articles for the national park and the legal person entity, making 3 Urewera articles in total. I'm still in favour of the combined article, and moving it back from Te Urewera National Park to Te Urewera (protected area), but am open to hearing other arguments. Nurg (talk) 08:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

The trouble is, we have three notable topics here, and it’s easy for people to confuse them. The only one of the three that has a clear meaning is Te Urewera National Park. The last merger proposal (at Talk:Te Urewera#Merger proposal) failed, and I see why. Since then, I have expanded both Te Urewera National Park and Te Urewera, in discussion with Nurg, who corrected me on the difference between Te Urewera as a legal entity and Te Urewera as a geographical area. One reason why we have confusion is that we still do not have maps showing the extent of the present protected area and the larger geographical area. My preferred solution would be to keep the pages we have and add a new one for the geographical area. I searched but could only find maps that were in copyright. Can anyone help with that? Moonraker (talk) 10:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia ESEAP Conference 2022 on November 18-20 in Sydney, Australia

The Wikimedia East, South East Asia and the Pacific also known as ESEAP will be having an in-person conference in Sydney, Australia on November 18-20. ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of nationalities & Wikimedia affiliates of Indonesia, Taiwan, Australia, Korea, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and Vietnam. Membership also include nationalities and informal communities of Brunei, Cambodia, China, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Papua New Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste.

The goals for the conference are:

• Strategic discussions: ESEAP Hub governance, process of moving from an informal group to more formal structure aligned with the Hubs/Minimum Criteria for Pilots
• Partnership, Tools & Skills: Outreach and community collaboration support networks; building a network of skill sets so that communities in the region can provide extra outreach support and collaboration across the region; and
• Leadership development through building networks that encourage new and wider diversity of participants to enable future growth

For more information, please visit the conference page.

Scholarship application (subsidized air fare, accommodation, and relevant fees) is ongoing. You may go to the scholarship page to know more. Deadline for scholarship application is on 24 July (Sunday) at 12:00 UTC (see your local time) .

We also call for volunteers to the following committees:

• Scholarship committee
• Program submissions review committee
• Communications committee
• Onsite & technical volunteers

For inquiries, please reach us at eseap.confwikimedia.org.au.

Thank you! --Exec8 (talk) 04:44, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Sir Len Southward

I've started Len Southward which used to redirect to Southward Car Museum. I've got it to a decent stub with the tiny amount of information available. I went out to the museum last weekend and all the printed material they had was about the museum. I bought the DVD though! They digitised a load of stuff for their new exhibit about him, which is apparently forthcoming in a new edition of their guide book coming out soon, so that might be useful. Anyway, have at it if anyone knows/has more? — Jon (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Please have a read of MOS:SURNAME. Schwede66 03:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Cheers, noted.—Jon (talk) 04:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Southward is listed in the Who's who so I shall add to the article. However, may I point out that this photo is a problem? Southward's photo would be under copyright and given that it's not de minimis, it's a copyviolation. Does anyone who's watching this page have photo-editing software that could manage to blur his face? If so, please upload a modified version and then we'll get the original deleted. Schwede66 08:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

No need, perhaps I can crop it out or find a different photo that I took that day from a different angle. Jon (talk) 11:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

There is a need to deal with it as even after cropping, a copyvio remains on Commons. We can’t have that. Schwede66 11:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I've uploaded another image and replaced its use on both articles, and marked the first image on commons with the delete template.—Jon (talk) 07:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Aotearoa New Zealand Wiki Online Meetup

A reminder to folk that the Aotearoa New Zealand Wiki Online Meetup will be happening on Sunday 24 July 2022 from Noon until 2pm NZST. See the agenda for the link and more information about the meeting. All are welcome. Ambrosia10 (talk) 20:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Vape shops NZ section

Under the Vape shop#New Zealand section, I had created some information about vape product sales and manufacture stuff under that section. It definitely needs some expansion, but hopefully I got most of the key points there on the article. Might have neglected to elaborate further about where vape products cannot be used or sold. The health.govt.nz website gives governmental advice about the vape regulation stuff, though I wasn't sure what other sources would be reliable (there's also vapo.co.nz and nzdoctor.co.nz, but I avoided them for now). Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 05:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

As for an image, I have one for the one in Te Rapa, which clearly shows some of the interior of a specialized vape shop as well as clearly showing the 18 age restriction sign on the foreground. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal: Zuru creation and Nick Mowbray & Anna Mowbray deletion

There is no article for Zuru, but there are wikis for two of the three founders, Nick Mowbray and Anna Mowbray. I proposing that we create an article for Zuru, and merge the relevant information from Nick and Anna's pages, before deleting them. My rationale for proposing this course of action, is that beyond Zuru neither are particularly notable (aside, perhaps, from having expensive taste in property). I also think the relevant Zuru information could be incorporated well into a Zuru page, with a subheading for the founders. I'm not particularly invested, so if it's a silly idea please let me know heh. Pinging User:Schwede66 the original creator of both of these pages. Nauseous Man (talk) 07:33, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Zuru is notable as much as two of its three owners. As such, I will have to disagree with you. The AfD route is always open to you, of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwede66 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Suzie Bates

Hi. According to the live commentary for the NZ/South Africa cricket match taking place right now, there was a claim that Suzie Bates is the only athlete to compete at the Olympics, Commonwealth Games and the Cricket World Cup. I can certainly find sources to say she's taken part at all three, but nothing to say she's the ONLY person to have done this. Is anyone able to find something that does? Please give me a ping here if you do. Thank you! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mount Albert (New Zealand)

There is a requested move discussion at Mount Albert (New Zealand)#Requested move 20 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Turnagra (talk) 01:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

National parks

Recently, as part of work undertaken for Wikipedia:GLAM/WestCoastWPAL/2022, there was commentary that our national park articles are mostly in a state that unbecoming of their importance. I've looked at a bunch of Featured Articles plus the 13 local national park articles and have come up with a potential structure for comprehensive articles. Feedback welcome.

==History==

===Use by Māori===

===Park establishment===

===Later history===
This could include pointing out that it's managed by DoC (some articles have a separate management section).

==Geography==

===Location and size===

===Geology===

===Mountains===

===Water features===

===Glaciers===

===Climate===

===Map===

==Ecology==

===Flora===

===Fauna===

==Access==

==Activities==

===In popular culture===

==See also==

Feedback welcome. Schwede66 00:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

That looks like a sensible structure. A few other topics that could possibly be worth covering are:

• World Heritage listing (UNESCO)
• Incidents (eg the explosion at Te Maari crater, or eruptions of Ruapehu in Tongariro National Park, or the rock/ice fall on Aoraki / Mt Cook that took some height off the mountain). Perhaps these could just be part of "History", or be part of articles about more specific aspects of a National Park, but there might still be merit in having a separate section further down the article on this topic.
• Controversies (eg proposals for new roads through National Parks - such as the proposed Collingwood - Karamea Road through Kahurangi National Park, or disputes over planes/helicopters in National Parks, or disputes over pest control and management etc)
• Usage / visitor numbers and distribution - domestic/ international (although data on all of this is probably hard to get)

---Marshelec (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Agree that this looks like a good approach. I wonder if it's worth a dedicated section on conservation / management, but otherwise I feel like a lot of it will be mainly on a case-by-case basis. Some could be worth having early European history in there, but others won't have that same degree I think. Turnagra (talk) 02:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks good! I might suggest adding tables describing natural features, if appropriate (e.g. list of peaks in Arthurs Pass or Kahurangi, list of fjords in Fiordland). --Prosperosity (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment from Page lurker - many Australian/Oz national parks articles have similar issues, and lack material of substance in the articles, and lack systematic explanation across the range of issues listed above.

Small and sometimes annoying issues include - wikidata and lead sentence identifying as national parks - but then short descriptions as 'protected areas'.

Also a set of confusions/conflations of the visitor/tourist attraction subject/category, as well as the ever encroaching galleries of photographs at the lower part of the articles. Systematic improvement of national park articles is much encouraged from across the ditch, as they are under-explored-explained as having vital resources of biota that always need more coverage...

In the oz project there is also sometimes a lack of appreciation of the potential interaction/flow of material that could occur between wikivoyage and wikipedia - content in some national park articles reads too much like a 'how to get to..', and lack any appreciation of the geography/geology/biota that is in the park...

JarrahTree 08:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a great initiative. Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas seems fairly dead, but it might be worth looking at their featured articles (Yellowstone National Park, Banff National Park, etc)? I think, insofar as access is a matter for WP, it's probably part of the human geography of the place. I'm not sure why popular culture is a sub-category of activities. Furius (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Furius. Regarding Yellowstone National Park etc, that's exactly what I've done. Popular culture might well be a level 2 heading if it's required, but it might also slot in under history. Schwede66 21:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I like the layout suggested but also agree with Turnagra that a dedicated section on conservation / management might be an option for some national parks. Of course it depends on how specific the fauna and flora sections are but if it was me editing these pages those two sections would cover more general information where as the conservation / management section could cover specific threatened species in the park, translocation efforts, predator free/invasive plants initiatives etc. - Ambrosia10 (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, the way I was seeing it the ecological stuff (flora / fauna etc) would be about the actual species in the park, whereas conservation / management would be more about the initiatives being undertaken to preserve them and the park's environment. Turnagra (talk) 19:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Rename "Use by Māori" to "Early History" or something similar. It implies that modern national parks aren't being used by Maori, or that Maori aren't involved in national park management, etc. --Spekkios (talk) 22:58, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

This schema looks good to me. There's plenty we could do with the current print and online resources, and for many of the parks there are plenty of tourist photos online to use. I would stress that the best resources for most parks will be books, like the Andy Dennis / Craig Potton series from the '80s/'90s as opposed to DOC's sketchy website. But it also seems like this would be a good partnership proposal for DOC, who are sitting on huge amounts of photography, particularly historical photography of the development of these parks. Making good maps of the parks will also be important. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Reminder:Aotearoa New Zealand Online Meetup

A reminder to folk that the Aotearoa New Zealand Wiki Online Meetup will be happening virtually on Sunday 21 August 2022 from Noon until 2pm NZST. See the agenda for the link to join the meeting and more information about what the meeting will cover. All are very welcome. Ambrosia10 (talk) 19:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

The completed notes on the meeting can now be found here. - Ambrosia10 (talk) 05:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

How to add merge article to the list on Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand

Hi all, can anyone assist me in letting me know how I can add a new merge proposal to Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand? I have proposed on Talk:Rangitikei, New Zealand to merge Rangitikei, New Zealand with Rangitikei District. How do I go about this? Thanks. JaumeBG (talk) 22:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi JaumeBG. You've done the right thing by adding the proposal to the Talk Page. I went ahead and tagged the two pages for you. For future reference you can follow the guide here for proposing a merge here WP:MERGEPROP. ShakyIsles (talk) 02:55, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated - Draft Strategy 2022-2025 Feedback Round

Kia ora,

The Committee of Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated have developed a draft strategy for 2022 -2025. Feedback from members of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand that are New Zealanders or residents of Pacific islands without an established chapter is encouraged. The draft strategy can be read and commented on at this Google docs link  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XoqMupo_5TlLs_6xuMU-3KU5_Lzks8unwFRo4QuDVM4/edit?usp=sharing  or in the discussion page of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand by adding a New Topic. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand  The feedback round closes at midnight Sunday 9 October 2022. Einebillion (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Received request to merge the Kapiti Coast article into the Kapiti Coast District article on 21 August 2022. Reason: Much of the information on each page is just duplicating the other, and I think that any information specifically about the geographical feature of the coast would suitably fall within the context of a page about the district.--Radicuil . Discuss it >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest ^"scribble" 05:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)