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My own 3D models are being reported, removed or deleted

Hi all! First of all, thank you very much for accepting me on Wikipedia and for your warm welcome, support and for providing important information (considering I am new here), I truly appreciate it! Please, I need your help:

I am publishing my own 3D models and renders on Wikimedia Commons and I add it in some already published articles on Wikipedia, so people can see an actual 3D models of the specific item/subject. We live in 21st Century and many people use 3D models, especially younger generations. You can zoom it, rotate it in order to see it from different angles and download it in many different formats and then use it for educational purposes or your own projects. As you can see, I am giving my 3D models for FREE and I am happy if I can help and share my projects with others. I have created my own folder DAPE on portal 3DfindIT.com and all my 3D models on Wikipedia/Wikimedia lead to that folder, so people can download it in many different formats for free and use it for their own projects or educational purposes, as I already mentioned earlier. Even although I explained that many times, I still get notifications that my models are reported, on list to be deleted, removed from articles, etc., because they are "not mine"? Still, 2 moderators supported me when I explained that models are mine and I own copyrights. What to do to be removed from deleting items list and to finally make it clear that I am using my own 3D models, my own copyrights, my own DAPE folder (on 3DfindIT.com) and I followed all rules by Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons? Thank you very much in advance, I appreciate your help! Dape13 (talk) 06:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Dape13 (talk) 06:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, I see that you are already discussing this with the user who removed them. They have said "your images really have little value in an encyclopedia. The STL was was of very poor quality". Theroadislong (talk) 07:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong! The STL is the only format which Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia accept, there is nothing I can do about it. Still, they are not so poor as said, but you have to be in engineering or 3D modeling area to understand this. And this is the reason why they said it has little value, because they do not have a bigger picture and understand engineering, mechanic and 3D modeling area. I will try to contact authors of specific articles in future and ask if they want 3D models added or not, I think this is fair, your opinion? I just have to find out how to do it, considering I am new here. And thank you for your understanding, I appreciate it! Dape13 (talk) 07:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Dape13, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I recognize your edits are well-intentioned, I’ll have to agree with the other editors that your 3D models and renderings add little encyclopedic value to the articles. A still image (or multiple) of an object conveys enough information for the reader to understand the subject that we do not need a digital rendering. We also do not need to be able to rotate or zoom in on an object, especially wince there’s no color, it’s showing up glitchy, and completely does not work on mobile phones (or mine at least). Wikipedia is not a web host either, meaning that we aren’t here to provide downloadable content; instead, Wikipedia is supposed to simply inform the reader of what an object is. The illustrations are supposed to complement the text. While you are certainly allowed to put them on Commons, that doesn’t mean it should be incorporated into a Wikipedia article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ganbaruby! First of all, thank you for your super-fast response and explanation, I honestly appreciate it. Still, I have to say I am confused: 3D models are allowed on Wikimedia Commons with the purpose to be used for Wikimedia articles. I have also found article with 3D model and this is how/why I started adding my 3D models in articles with the purpose to make it even better. I also see computer animations and video clips added in articles (which is great!), but 3D models are now welcome? As as person of common sense, I do not see any logic in this. We, as a intelligent human species are always questioning everything and trying to improve things. This is why we have our modern science and medicine on such a high level. Shouldn't Wikipedia be improved, too? Every single engineer does use 3D models in 2020, especially students. I spoke with them and they very often use Wikipedia to find out more about some things and they would also like to see 3D models and this is why I started editing existing articles and adding my 3D models (for free) in order to improve things. I really cannot understand how that can be "unwanted"? Few moderators supported me and said what I do is good idea, but some of them disagree and this is why we have this situation. As much as I can see, it is all just a subjective opinion of individuals here: some moderators think it is great, some of them do not want 3D models in articles. I really cannot understand how it can hurt by improving things? Can we make some kind of compromise to add 3D models ONLY in engineering, mechanic and tool field related articles, please? If somebody wants to find our more about V8 engine on Wikipedia, they would also like to see 3D model of V8 engine, trust me on this one. I have a good attention and would like to make things even better, not worse (especially for younger generations, students who are from those fields and use Wikipedia as a source of information). I honestly hope you will understand my point and my good attentions and will support me, so let's make one step forward and make Wikipedia modern website in 21st Century. Thank you very much in advance! Dape13 (talk) 12:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Dape13, please discuss this with the editors at specific article pages in reference to specific images. I also do not find them a helpful addition to the article spark plug, at a minimum. (I haven't reviewed your other edits.) It's possible that 3D renders could be useful for other articles - for example, where photos are unavailable. You also might want to visit the Wikipedia Graphics Lab[1] and the Commons equivalent[2] to see if there are any requests that you can fill using your 3D modeling expertise. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Calliopejen! I agree with you 100%: I will ask in future authors of specific engineering/mechanic subjects if they want me to add 3D models or not. You agree, that is OK? Can you just help me how to contact authors, send message, please? I am still new here, still learning and do not want to cause any problems, just would like to contribute. Thank you very much for your understanding and support! Dape13 (talk) 07:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Content that violates any copyrights

How can I know that a content from a book or website or newspaper or Journal violates any copyrights. Satya Jaimala (talk) 08:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

In general, if material has been published elsewhere it is subject to copyright. For more detail see WP:FAQ/Copyright. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft

How can I submit a draft for review?? Spinelli Nutelli talk 02:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Spinelli Nutelli: Put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the article in code view. I've done this for you, so your article is submitted and pending review. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank youuu! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinelli Nutelli (talk • contribs) 14:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

move a draft to mainspace / waiting for review

Hello, a few weeks ago I asked to move an article from my sandbox to draft in order to be reviewed and eventually move to the mainspace > Draft: Piero Atchugarry Gallery. Today I notice that my account is being "autoconfirmed" so I'm allowed to move the draft to the mainspace by myself. Can I go on with it (even if I'm still waiting for the final review) or it would be better to wait for the review anyway ? Thank you Donà Anna (talk) 14:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Donà Anna Unless you are very experienced with creating articles, I would strongly advise you to allow the review process to go forward. If you move it to mainspace yourself and there are issues with it, the article will be treated more harshly than it would be if it were reviewed as a draft. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll wait as suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donà Anna (talk • contribs) 14:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Help needed using WikiBlame to identify editors and diffs in edit warring

There is some edit warring in the lead of University of California, Berkeley re: whether the number 30 should be included in the statement that the campus is "ranked among the top 30 universities" vs. something like "ranked among top universities." I started a new section on the talk page about it and pinged the two editors who engaged in it in the last day ([3]), but I'd like to check whether I should ping any other editors -- in particular, whether this is a longer-standing issue where other editors had inserted or deleted this text. I just tried out the WikiBlame tool for the first time, but the results aren't as helpful as I'd hoped. I'm not sure if that's because I didn't chose optimal settings to use the tool, or if it's just a limitation of the tool. I'm hoping that an experienced editor can help me learn how to use WikiBlame effectively (optimal settings for what I'm trying to do) or, if there's another WP:TOOL that can be used more effectively, to let me know about that. Also, I'm a newish editor, and I'm uncertain whether I need to report the edit warring to the ANI, or if it's sufficient that I raised it on the talk page. I'd appreciate guidance. Thanks. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 15:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC) FactOrOpinion (talk) 15:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The New Template:Pre-World War II European Yeshivos

A while ago, I made the Template:Pre-World War II European Yeshivos, however more recently I redid it in a more organized yet longer way. The new version is at User:Charlie Smith FDTB/W.I.P. (Work In Progress). I wasn't sure if I should replace the old template with the newer one, because the newer one is longer. I would like to hear other editors' opinions. Thank you. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Smith FDTB, I'd recommend asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism or just being WP:BOLD and changing it, and seeing if anyone else puts it back. (See also WP:BRD.) Good luck, Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I decided to "be bold" about it. Thanks. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 16:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this an endorsement?

Would this Twitter like be considered an endorsement for Claudia Conway? Thank you  Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lima Bean Farmer. I suspect part of the reason nobody has yet answered this is that many people were wondering, like me, what the hell the question meant. Considered by whom? Of what possible relevance to Wikipedia could "an endorsement for Claudia Conway" be? Then I looked at the tweet, and saw it was from Conway: how could anything by her be "an endorsement for" her. Then, at last, I thought of looking at your contributions history, and see you have edited List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements. At least, after my detective work, your question now makes sense.

And I would say that my first question is the important one: by whom? Wikipedia doesn't do the considering. Ever. I would hope that the entries on that list are cited to where independent commentators have talked about this or that person endorsing Biden; and the couple of references I have followed are indeed of that type. So I would say that if you can find an independent source that discusses that tweet, and says that she endorses him, then it can go in. Otherwise, no. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

im 100054 im still young

 73.3.158.64 (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

That's nice for you, if a little unbelievable. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Syndicated content?

Hi,

I'm writing an article on an entrepreneur. He is a bit of a media recluse, however, has given a couple of interviews with outlets like Forbes, Business Insider, CNBC etc. However, the people who made him famous were a business/entrepreneurship outlet (who are a reliable resource as per Wikipedia guidelines) this outlet subsequently syndicated that article on outlets such as NBC, Entrepreneur, Fox etc. For my article, do I cite all of the articles, the ones from just big-name brands like NBC, Fox and Entrepreneur or the original article? Thanks in advance. --BekoGloben (talk) 16:17, 31 July 2020 (UTC) BekoGloben (talk) 16:17, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, BekoGloben. I'm not sure what you're asking. There is no point in citing different places where the same material has been published, if that's what you mean: choose one and cite that. Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said or published by the subject of the article or by their associates, whether they published it directly or said it in interviews or press releases. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and with no prompting or input from the subject, have chosen to publish about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox location? I am trying to find an article i started

 KerStar (talk) 15:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@KerStar: This is the only edit made from this account. RudolfRed (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, KerStar. If you can specify the name of the topic you wrote about, offering us as many unusual 'keywords' as you can, and clues to any forgotten account name that you were previously editing under, then we just might be able to trace it for you. No promises though - it depends what clues you give us. For the account you are using to post here now, your user sandbox does not yet exist, but would be found at User:KerStar/sandbox had you created it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

how to improve this draft Draft:Ali Mansour ?

how to improve this draft Draft:Ali Mansour ? -41.233.134.125 (talk) 09:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC) 41.233.134.125 (talk) 09:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

As has been noted on the draft by reviewers, the draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. You have not shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources how this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable actor or the broader definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

 92.73.156.108 (talk) 12:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello 331dot, Thanks for the response. a notable actor

• 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and elcinema.com.

• 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook.

• 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here.

• Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3

- radio interview On the official channel , television interview.

• all i have write in the Draft have a source.
• and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
• Thank you. -41.239.120.140 (talk) 17:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Can Wikipedia give my IP Address or other user agent information etc. to authorities if requested?

As the Wikimedia Privacy policy says, they do collect IP Address, user-agent information and the pages I have visited which is linked to my account and is stored for at most 90 days. This can be a security threat to some users especially if they edit pages that the government doesn't want them to. Albeit, the number of user information requests are low and Wikipedia and Wikipedia grants very few of them, I still see this as a threat to my privacy. What is something I can do to protect myself other than using Tor and using an account that is never used on the clearnet? User:DontWannaDoThis^≠ 18:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that the Foundation would not just hand information over, but it would comply with properly executed laws, and legally valid court warrants or orders. They probably would also comply if authorities demonstrated that someone was at imminent risk of death or physical harm. The Foundation has legal counsel to advise them. 331dot (talk) 18:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

You may wish to read WP:TOR. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Craft (surname)

Craft Surname I have an addition to the Craft noteable list on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craft_(surname). Dennis Edward Craft, born 1949, Developed the cell phone as an engineer at Motorola. Helpmegetausername (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC) Helpmegetausername (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Helpmegetausername
Dennis Edward Craft does not have an article on Wikipedia, so should not be included at this stage - if you think he is notable, please WP:Write the article first - Arjayay (talk) 19:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Court

why doesnt wikipedia have like, a court, to solve edit wars, naming convention disputes, etc.? AccordingClass (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Usually, disputes are resolved in the talk page of the article that the dispute is taking place in or venues such as ANI and ANEW. In cases of disputes that can't be resolved in any other way, there is the Arbitration Committee (ArbCom for short), which is the equivalent of a Court of Wikipedia. SuperGoose007 ^(Honk!) 20:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! -AccordingClass (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a link blue when providing up to date cites?

how do I make cites accessable by hovering the mouse over it? KicuiBerry (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi KicuiBerry. You can find some basic information on how citations (references) work in Help:Referencing for beginners, but it sounds like you're looking for Help:Preferences#Gadgets. You will need to tell the software that you want to make use of the "hover" feature and the way you let it know is by changing your user preferences. Scroll to the top of your browser and click on "Preferences". In the new window that opens, click on "Gadgets" and then check the box that says "Reference Tooltips: hover over inline citations to see reference information without moving away from the article text (does not work if "Navigation popups" is enabled above)". I think that should enable the "hover" feature you're looking for. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Declined Wiki Page

Good day, I've been trying to complete a wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Infinitymoguls/sandbox there were sources included.

Can you please advise what changes need to be made or whether you can assist in getting the page up?

Sources were provided from reputable news stations such as the Tribune and the Gleaner in the Caribbean but I'm not sure why it's not accepted. Can you please advise. Infinitymoguls (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,Infinitymoguls. Reliability is only one component: sources also need to be independent. All of your sources are largely words that come from Pascalli. Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything the subject of an article (or their associates) say about them, whether directly, or in an interview or press release: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information by the subject, have chosen to publish about them. Please see CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Article deletion

I will just delete an article because it violates the rules, how can I retrieve the content? To be able to edit it and thus comply with the regulations.

Thanks Davidaqc (talk) 02:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Davidaqc: What article was it? An administrator could restore it in your user space, but your current account has no deleted contributions, so we don't know what article to move there. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, the article is in another of my accounts:

Attached is the deleted article: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Claire_Arrieta_M%C3%A9ndez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidaqc (talk • contribs) 02:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

This Teahouse is to help users with the English Wikipedia. If you have requests concerning the Spanish Wikipedia you need to ask there. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Green check mark

How do I add a "green check mark" icon to items on a list? I used to know.... Thanks, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC) Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tribe of Tiger: Is  Done what you are looking for?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Or just plain Y? Or a bit larger Y ? Also available in yellow:Y. See Template:done for other really cool marks and the like.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is it! Thanks for both! I am happy, but also suffering a Duhh moment...Done! Check mark! Wonderous concepts!Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How do you know everything on Wiki is TRUE?

Hat thread by indef blocked troll

What prove does this website have that it is all true?◢  Factors Guy!  (Say hi!) 07:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC) @Factors guy: There’s no proof. In fact, not everything on Wikipedia is true, and we already admit that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia’s high traffic means that it attracts all kinds of vandals with ill intentions, ranging from blanking pages, personal attacks on others, or deliberate hoaxes to fool others. We have a variety of systems in place to catch vandals, but we do miss a couple occasionally, which is why we try to enforce editors to provide reliable sources to back up their claims. Though there are tons of vandals, there are many more good-intentioned volunteers that patrol pages and make sure we get as close to the facts as possible. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC) In short, see Wikipedia:General disclaimer. For a longer version, listen to this guy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC) What is truth? In all seriousness, though, @Factors Guy: look for small blue numbers like and they'll direct you to a references section. These references should give as much information as possible for helping someone (legally) find a copy of the reliable source cited (the "proof"). I usually say "professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources" instead of "reliable sources" because that's what most reliable sources are (though some other kinds of sources can be reliable in some cases). Now, this doesn't prove that the statement is necessarily true, but if it isn't, it's not our fault. Ian.thomson (talk) 08:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC) First, I want to point out an actually pretty serious problem: once some erroneous information gets published on Wikipedia, it "leaks" into sources generally considered as reliable. This contaminates the universe of information, such that as a result of this "transitive behavior", erroneous content on Wikipedia can become the "primary basis" of the content in a citation from a presumably reliable source. The best thing we have to mitigate this problem is for editors to be skeptical of "reliable sources", e.g. to consider whether certain misinformation may have been published on WP before it was published in some presumably reliable source. But for any source published after the onset of WP, this cannot really be done reliably. One way that WP addresses this issue is to disclaim its liability. Every page should have a notice that WP is not reliable, and we do, so to speak. At the bottom of every page (at least in the normal English WP rendering) is a seemingly benign link to "disclaimers". As if. As if the current inconspicuous notice is actually effective. Even if we had a more prominent notice (e.g. a notice placed at the top of the page, saying something to the clear effect that Wikipedia content cannot be trusted, many people would quickly learn to ignore this. But this doesn't necessarily matter so much. When people ignore a conspicuous notice, that shifts the blame. And when to cite WP as a source, there will be others to properly criticize them. At the very least, reasonably conspicuous notice leaves WP with a far better case of plausible deniability. (I guess this section has been minimized, so you have to click "show" to see it. I'm not sure what is the convention here, I'll leave it to others if they feel my comments merit making this thread visible.) Fabrickator (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC) References

How to add hyperlinks?

How to hyperlink? Kwaizzz (talk) 05:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Kwaizzz, Internal hyperlinks may be made in the source editor by surrounding a word with double square brackets, such as [[Cow]]. External links are made using only one square bracket, such as [www.google.com]. The visual editor has an icon that looks like two links of chain that allows you to hyperlink things. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 05:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kwaizzz: Please see WP:LINK for more about linking and linking policy. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Create my first Article needing help on Next Steps

I just completed my first article Draft:Temple Lester. After I published it, it stills says "draft." I wanted to make sure that I didn't miss a step and what happens next to get the draft published JSirius (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

JSirius, before all else see WP:MOS before submitting. If you want to submit the draft just click on the submit for review button. That should do it. Celestina007 04:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello JSirius, the Draft: space is meant for articles not yet ready to be published. The drafts have to be WP:MOVED out of there manually when they are ready. Most new articles from inexperienced editors face deletion immediately, so it is recommended that they be submitted for review beforehand so you can get a chance to continue to improve it with minimal risk. The banner at the top of your draft has a submit button whenever you are ready. If you have any connections with the subjects you are writing about (personal, financial), they should be disclosed per WP:COI. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Lovely jubilee

On the pages Del Boy, Rodney Trotter and Grandad it has the same picture of all three characters is it possible to it be just who the page is about Fanoflionking 20:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Fanoflionking, thanks for your input. You may want to post on the talk page of the relevant articles with this photo. You could also attempt to do it yourself, but working with non-free images is sometimes a challenge even for many experienced editors. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I have posted in all the talk pages as well as the main Only Fools page hopefully I will get a response Fanoflionking 08:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

should I use a different term? Is a source to the term unnecessary?

The meaning of standard contractual clauses, legally speaking, is a very specific term. Is a link to a relevant website necessary in these circumstances? Should I instead avoid the term? MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal (talk) 07:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal:, is this question about an article at Wikipedia? Which one? Mathglot (talk) 09:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

References

How do I create a link from Wikipedia to another website for verification Space chinedu (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners (which is one of the useful links provided yesterday on your user talk page). --David Biddulph (talk) 09:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Article Creation And Edition

How Can I Create My Own Article ? How Can I Edit An Article Nasty C ? Yancho Yinch (talk) 19:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Yancho Yinch: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! The page you want to edit is currently semi-protected, meaning that only autoconfirmed users can only edit it. Your account will become autoconfirmed after you have made 10 edits and your account turns 4 days old. As for creating an article, you can use the article wizard and follow the instructions there. SuperGoose007 ^(Honk!) 20:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@SuperGoose007:

Hello, My account is autoconfirmed, because It have been here about 7 days old And It has more than 10 edits. By the way Thanks for your answer for an article creation question.THANKYOU!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yancho Yinch (talk • contribs) 10:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Weird box

Dumb question. In the article Alden Richards, there's this weird extra box on the bottom row on the Television part under Filmography that I've been trying to remove but unsuccessful. What could be causing that? I tried to remove the extra pipe but it's removing the entire row other than the Title. It looks good though when I preview the changes. - SUBWAY 00:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Subwaymuncher, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's a bit of a puzzler. In looking at the table, I believe the issue is being caused by the fact that the last element in the table is defined as a header. I'm only guessing here, but I have a feeling that the wikimarkup interpreter assumes that there will be at least one data element following the header; without it, it has trouble formatting the table properly. Changing the last header element to a data element seems to fix the problem. If anyone else has any ideas, please feel free to add to this answer. CThomas³ (talk) 04:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Subwaymuncher: It's an issue in the JavaScript for sortable tables where the last row has a header cell. I added a non-displayed row without a header cell.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, a URL I added recently to certain page is marked as spam & may affect the owner of the site whom I don't know

Hello Wiki Adkins/authors, am quite new to Wikipedia and I have been making some edits on Wikipedia in other to become better/grow the encyclopedia but recent a not controlled by a user called Beetstra marked a URL I added as reference to a page as spam, pls I need someone to help revert it as I didn't intend spamming & it might affect the owner of the site whom I don't know. This is the link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/Local/9jadailyfeeds.com.ng

Pls help revert this...I really need help in reverting. Thanks Daniel vic (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

All of the articles you inserted that ref into have been reverted or deleted. If you edit an article (add a ref, or other change), and then change your mind about it, click on View history at the top menu bar. then on "prev" to the left, and then on "Undo". David notMD (talk) 11:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Issue with toxic behaviour

Hi, I'm new here; please forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong place. I registered with wikipedia today and made a lengthy edit to an article on which I have some scholarly training. It was rolled back because a contributor to the page said that I should ask her permission first before editing. Since then there's been a back and forth where her behaviour has felt really rather toxic. Is there anyway I can get a senior editor to have a look over my talk page and the talk page of List of occultists to check whether this is normal for wikipedia? I have an ability to contribute in my field but I'm feeling rather bummed out by the whole experience today TBH. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bohemian Alchemist: hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We do really not have such a thing as "senior editors", but I had a look at the edit in question, on List_of_occultists where you removed almost 20KB of material. I see it is being discussed on the talk page of the article, and also on your talk page. A couple of very experienced and respected editors have also been talking to you there. I can understand that you might be disappointed that your work was reverted, but the general policy here is that such large changes to an article (20KB is an enormous change) need to be discussed first on the article's talk page, just as you and Celestina007 are doing. It is always a good idea to work through things there, as we all work on consensus. The talk page is the place to develop that. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP Thank you for taking the time to write back. The amount of material I removed is more an indictment of the condition of that page than my editing. There seem to be some decent people at Wikipedia but there's a lot of low level ownership, poor English standards and sloppiness going on too IMO. Don't think it's for me. Thank you again though for taking the time to check things over Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bohemian Alchemyst: I hope you hang around a bit and give it a chance. We have many, many rules on article composition, which was one of the problems with your first edit. Wikipedia is a bit of a (volunteer) workplace, and it takes some time to learn the policies. And remember, there are about six million other articles to edit besides the one above! The usual advice for new editors is to start small while they learn the ropes. Hope that helps. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP, Don’t bother with that editor tbh. They have their own unique interpretation of what occultism is all about & want to see that implemented in that article I have told them that, that is OR & POV pushing which isn’t permitted here but rather they claim they have a background in occultism & know better & they have continued to exhibit signs of WP:NOTHERE & WP:IDHT. They accused me of sock puppetry here thinking myself & Aciram are one & the same. That sort of aspersion is an attack to everything I stand for & honestly if they continue to cast such aspersions I’d have to take them to the AN/I where they’d either bring their evidence of this or get blocked. New editors showing this sort of behavior is not what we need. Furthermore @Bohemian Alchemyst just lied through his teeth, could you please show us a diff where I asked you to seek permission from me before editing? They were even asked by a different editor to discuss such overhauling in the article TP, but what did they do? They deleted the message from their talk page. So like I said earlier please dont bother yourself with that editor, that sort of negative energy isn’t what we want in new editors. Celestina007 03:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Not going to lie Celestina007, it's a bit weird and sad that you've stalked me here. That you're telling other editors not to bother looking into whether you've been abusive towards me really does speak for itself. I invite anyone who cares about making this a friendly place to check over your interaction with me for which, as you would say, a "senior editor" has already reprimanded you. I won't be responding to you any further, not because you don't show good faith, even though you don't, not because English isn't your first language and you misunderstand things, although you do, but because you don't actually read the responses that I take the time to write. You accuse me here of lying and asking "could you please show us a diff where I asked you to seek permission from me before editing?". Yesterday you wrote this on my wall: "What the new editor should have done & like you have rightfully said was to either discuss it with me or take it to the talk page of the article". Why would I discuss my first edit with you? You don't own that really poor quality page but you have hindered it from becoming a properly sourced, academic quality article but not before exposing yourself as authoritarian and a liar. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bohemian Alchemyst: if you make such extensive changes to an article, without discussing them first, you're going to meet overwhelming resistance. No surprise there. (My own, irrelevant, opinion is that it's wrong to label alchemists as occultists. They were chemists, working with an understanding of chemical processes that's very different from what we have now. List of occultists does not specify in its lead what it means by "occult", so it should use the word in its 19th-century sense, not 16th-century.) Maproom (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

". . . it's wrong to label alchemists as occultists. They were chemists, working with an understanding of chemical processes . . . ." Maproom, this is part of a common misconception that leads to a lot of cross-purpose misunderstandings. Many alchemists were indeed exactly what you describe. However, some were actually occultists pursuing spiritual (or psychological) self-development, who used the language and terminology of "mundane" alchemists as a coded or "green" language to communicate about their practices and mental experimentation, in part to avoid accusations of heresy.

When the writings of these latter are read as if they referred to real (or claimed) physical processes, they inevitably appear to be nonsensical to someone with an understanding only of chemical processes and ordinary alchemical terminology. Telling the difference is of course not easy, since disguise was rather the point.

As to whether the occultists' ideas were/are bunkum or not, I will take no position, but books such as the memoirs of Mark Hedsel entitled The Zelator (Samuel Weiser, 2000) at least indicate the depth and diversity of this school of thought. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 08:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom: The size of the changes I made reflects the poor quality of that article. It contained, and does again given that my edits were rolled back, information that is potentially libellous. That is how poor it is. If there was an etiquette issue in making a large edit then I'd ask that to be put down to my being a new editor but I've also been advised by another experienced editor to Be Bold and, regardless, the behaviour of one editor looking for a flame war has been, frankly, outrageous. Apropos alchemy, I have a lot of sympathy with your take and agree that the problems in List of occultists is because the term is ill-defined. I wrote an intro in my big edit yesterday that used an academic definition of what constitutes "occultism" also saying that it's problematic before the 19th century but this is what set off my dear editor friend with POV accusations. Meanwhile, Merlin is listed there alongside known historical figures and, apparently, Plato was an occultist... Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bohemian Alchymist. If you haven't already seen it, can I point you to the essay on expert editors?? Expert editors are valuable to Wikipedia, but their role is not the same as what they often expect. --ColinFine (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. Heyup! Another Yorkie here. I wish I'd read that essay yesterday before registering; another Wikipedian essentially summarised the points to me and, I have to say, it does make me wonder whether this is the right place for me. Perhaps I've just had an experience that I wasn't expecting but I would have guessed that there would have been closer alignment with academic-type scholarship. I'll mull it over but I think I'd be happier directing the time into other areas. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bohemian Alchymist:, yes, the article is poor. IMHO, that is largely because it doesn't start by making it clear what it's about (that's quite a common problem with poor articles). If it were my job to clear up the mess (and I thank God that it isn't), I would start by starting a discussion on its talk page on what it's meant to be about, on who should be considered an occultist. If a coherent consensus were ever achieved, I would help to rewrite the lead in accordance with that consensus, and then add and remove people from the list.

You took a different approach. You were bold. You rewrote the lead section that states what the article aims to be about, and made extensive changes to the people listed, in accordance with the new lead. You were reverted. You now need to discuss your proposed changes (preferably starting with the lead) on the talk page. I see that you are doing so, and I wish you success. Maproom (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Why was my change reverted?

I made a fairly minor change to the first paragraph of Ethical Egoism that removed a superfluous "therefore" and one other unnecessary phrase in order to clean up the language of the sentence and clarify the logical structure of the paragraph. Given that this was in the first paragraph of the article I spent a fair amount of time considering my change and making sure that I was really was only cleaning up the language of the paragraph without changing the substance or meaning, but my change was pretty much immediately reverted with little explanation by a more experienced contributor. I have tried to discuss the change with the person who reverted my edit, but they haven't communicated very clearly and I'm still a bit confused and feel rather discouraged as this was the first time I've made a non-anonymous edit.

So my question is: what gives? Is this me being a newbie and my edit crossed a line I'm not seeing or was my edit legitimate and the more experienced editor is just a little revert-happy? I could use some guidance on how to interpret this experience and how to proceed without feeling like I'm not welcome to contribute to articles even in minor ways. Post Epoch (talk) 11:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Being reverted is a normal part of editing, and while it can be disappointing, it isn't usually intended as a sleight against you. I don't see where the other user criticized you as being a new user, and I don't think they intended to. The other user removed it because they did not see a need for the change you made. If you truly feel that the change is needed, you will need to gain consensus for it by making logical arguments to support why you feel the change is necessary, and offering any reliable sources you have to support it. It isn't enough to say that you think you were correct or that it makes things clearer for you,(as every editor thinks that their own edits are correct) you need to demonstrate why it is necessary. If you want other editors to see the discussion, you could make it a formal Request for Comment. If you cannot resolve the dispute on the article talk page, you can use avenues of dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@331dot I see, thanks for the clarification! I took up the issue on the user's talk page here: User_talk:F5pillar. I have to admit to getting a bit frustrated because I do not feel that the other user is really engaging in a good-faith logical argument (or at least one that I can understadn) and their English is quite difficult to understand, but I've tried to keep it pretty civil. In this particular case, to me it seems obvious that the "therefore" in the sentence does not logically follow from the previous sentences and therefore (sorry, couldn't help it) confuses the meaning of the paragraph, but it sounds like in order to make that argument I would need a citation, right? What would a citation look like in this case? Post Epoch (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch If you are aware of other literature on the subject that uses similar language as you want to change the article to, that would help your case immensely. Information on citing sources can be found at this page. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hmm... I think I'm still a little confused. This is in the article summary, right at the top. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the composition process for these kinds of things. Here's the paragraph in question:

Ethical egoism is the normative ethical position that moral agents ought to act in their own self-interest. It differs from psychological egoism, which claims that people can only act in their self-interest. Ethical egoism also differs from rational egoism, which holds that it is rational to act in one's self-interest.[1] Ethical egoism holds, therefore, that actions whose consequences will benefit the doer can be considered ethical in this sense.[2]

It's the ", therefore," in the very last sentence that I'm talking about. This sentence was composed for the Wikipedia article and uses a separate reference from the rest of the paragraphs, which is unrelated to the word "therefore". I'm not really sure how to reference similar language on this topic when what I'm talking about is the logical structure of the paragraph and sentence written for the Wikipedia, which is divorced from the content of the topic itself. I'm not trying to die on a hill here; I could care less about this particular edit or article. I'm really just trying to understand the proper process of cleaning up grammar and general paragraph and sentence structure on articles.Post Epoch (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Post Epoch Quite often, sentence structure is simply based on the personal preference of the editors involved. If it isn't something that you can specifically cite as the proper way to structure the sentence, the only other thing you can do is persuade other editors to agree with your position. If they don't, unfortunately you will have to accept that until such time as other editors change their mind. As I stated, if you cannot resolve the issue on the article talk page and truly feel that it is the proper course of action, you should make use of dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

In my view, the "therefore" you removed was superfluous, but the "instead" you replace it by was downright confusing. Maproom (talk) 12:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I see, thank you both for all of the clarifications on process (and I think that is an entirely valid criticism of my edit!). This was super helpful and I will do my best to keep at it.Post Epoch (talk) 12:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How about: "In contrast to those two positions, Ethical egoism holds that . . ."? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 12:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ooh, good call. Much clearer than "instead"! So the best practice here would be to suggest that on the Talk page for the article, right? Post Epoch (talk) 12:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As long as we are eyeballing Ethical egoism, is this really still a Start class article? Anyone feel qualified to upgrade it to at least C-class? David notMD (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Unable to link accurately. Please help.

In the article about pocket cubes, Pocket Cube#Permutations, I want to link to the article permutations. Specifically, circular permutations. It's path is: permutations -> other uses of permutations -> circular permutations. How do I do this?

Currently the link doesn't go exactly where I wanted it to go.

I was thinking that I can expand the circular permutations section into a separate section. Hmanburg (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Are "circular permutations" the same as what mathematicians call "cyclic permutations"? Maproom (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom They're different (disclaimer, I wouldn't call myself a mathematician). I did find that article by googling circular permutations. Maybe we should add some sort of notice so that it isn't confused with circular permutations since the naming is very similar and also Google leads to that page. Thanks for your help!

(edit conflict) Hello, Hmanburg. You can link to a section by [[Permutations#Circular permutations|permutation]], which displays as permutation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine thanks! Exactly what I was looking for!

Is anyone aware of a self-declared connected contributor template or a similar user's message box.

Hi, I have been looking at Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest self-declaration templates & Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest templates, but I am just not finding an appropriate template for self-declaring oneself as a connected contributor on an article's talk page.

I remember encountering this before, & I ended up making my own message box for a substantial COI, which you can read here. The current situation is considerably milder. I know an author, she would like to get her article updated with current information. Plus, I think it needs reformatting. I need to briefly state my acquaintance with the author, & that I understand & (will) adhere to Wikipedia's policies & guidelines. After all, I do have a bit of editing experience.

If need be, I can create the template myself, but if anyone is aware of one that another user has crafted that can be reused, I would rather access that. Peaceray (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Peaceray, could you be looking for this: Template:UserboxCOI ? Celestina007 04:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Thank you, I was already aware of that template. Unfortunately, that particular userbox template is for pages in the User namespace. I am looking for something that would be appropriate as a hatnote for a section in on the article talk page. Peaceray (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I create a Template sandbox within my own sandbox?

Hi I'm about to experiment with templates & parameters. As it'll be unique to my prospective page, do i need to create it in a sandbox first, if so, how? I can't find any instructions on how to create one within my personal sandbox. Thanks Dave F63 (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dave F63: I recommend starting with Help:Template. One thing to realize is that virtually any page can be used as a template simply by enclusing the target page name in curly brackets {{ and }}. For instance, on my talk page I use {{User:Peaceray/Header}} & {{User talk:Peaceray/Archive sidebar}} that link to User:Peaceray/Header & User talk:Peaceray/Archive sidebar respectively. Peaceray (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Erroneous inclusion of fan art as official album art

Hi, the file here is listed as the official single art of White Mercedes by Charli XCX. However, it is actually fan art and the single does not actually have official album art. While I removed the image from its corresponding page, the image still exists on here and I was wondering if it could either be removed or changed to clarify that it's fan art (and credit its creator). Lilahthecrocodilah (talk) 19:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lilahthecrocodilah. Please take this matter to Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I change my 'sources' to 'references'?

In reading other articles about artists, I see they use 'references'. I think it may help me add the additional notability needed. I would like to use this. I am writing a article about Dennis Blalock....and finding mostly negative feedback. I am trying very hard to complete this article but have been sick for some time. I feel better and want to make it according to Wikipedia rules. Would very much appreciate any friendly advice and help anyone can give me. Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 19:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabet Stacy-Hurley (talk • contribs)

@Elisabet Stacy-Hurley: Draft:Dennis Blalock indicates that you were a student of Blalock. Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If you wish to continue editing this draft, please disclose your conflict of interest by adding {{UserboxCOI|Dennis Blalock}} to your userpage. Then, I suggest you start over. Gather your independent reliable sources about Blalock and simply summarize what they say. Don't write about what you know about Blalock from your personal experiences with him. See Help:Your first article for more advice. GoingBatty (talk) 20:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for a guide / tutorial on common 'flags' for articles

I'm very new, and I'm trying to find a guide on how to add 'flags' to an article- things like "This article may contain non-neutral language' 'This article may need copy editing' 'This article contains non-standard characters'. I'm sure it's in here somewhere and I'm just not seeing it, but I've been searching for 20 or so minutes... right now I'm trying to add the 'non-standard characters' flag to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Clouds

And I'm sure they're not called 'flags' but I'm not sure what they're supposed to be called. (I'm also aware that some of these describe problems with the article and non-standard characters is not really a problem, so I guess this might be 2 separate questions).

Much thanks! Mtm4518a47 (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mtm4518a47, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Those are called Cleanup templates: see that link. I use Twinkle, which makes it much easier to add them. --ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Mtm4518a47 — you might be looking for {{Contains special characters|Burmese}}. Umimmak (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help editing an inaccurate wiki bio entry

Can you please look at my 3 recent edits to Ann Marie Sastry’s wiki page and tell me how I can make them conform to standards? Truthman1988 (talk) 21:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Truthman1988: Since the article already uses footnotes, your additions should also use footnotes. See Help:Footnotes and Template:Cite web and Template:Cite magazine. In the new "Controversy" section, you might want to replace your text with {{main|Sakti3#Criticism}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Bunghole?

 73.19.15.4 (talk) 23:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome. The article Bunghole may hold the answer for you. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

being kicked out of wikipedia because of an A.Hole

before I get kicked out I want to inform whoever is interested of what has happen.

basing on the experience I acquired about sources, writing a gay porn bio myself, I decided to get rid of all the not notable gay porn bio (there are so many, believe me). So, I started reading them, checking out the sources and when I found one that wasn't notable I put an advice on my page AlejandroLeloirRey, I left a message on the article's discussion page to ask if people had more sources and I looked for more sources myself. if after one or two weeks I couldn't find any significant source I nominated the article.

Anyone can see the result of my job here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=AlejandroLeloirRey&max=&startdate=&altname=%20your%20AFD%20stats

everything was fine until @Gleeanon409: entered into a discussion, since then he kept following me around accusing me to nominate with out doing WP:BEFORE. I asked him to check my statistics to see that my nomination are pretty reasonable but most of all I asked him, politely, 1000 times, to argue the sources and not me. obviously he kept accusing me in any discussion (more than once per discussion). I asked for help here but no one did anything.

So, how does this story end?

I can't simply stand him and his personal attacks no more, so I have insulted him. for this reason I will be banned from wikipedia. obviously, for our community telling a person he is an A.H. or to F.O. is way worst that stalking a person for weeks pulling his never to the point he is ok with being kicked out as long as he gets rid of its stalker. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: Please remember to not make personal attacks. This is a better topic for the incidents noticeboard. SuperGoose007 ^(Honk!) 21:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@SuperGoose007: i have been personal attacked for weeks on any discussion of articles I nominated. I asked him to stop but he will never do it. other people asked him to stop also but he keeps doing it. at this point i have to accept I will be banned from wikipedia. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi AlejandroLeloirRey. You will only be blocked or banned for the things that you do; so, the way to avoid any of that is to simply always try to be WP:HERE, follow WP:5PILLARS and avoid giving the Wikipedia community a reason to take any action against your account. This sometimes means that you need to step away from an unpleasant situation no matter how right you truly think you are. If others are aware of the situation and are trying to help resolve it, then perhaps it's best to leave it alone and let them take care of it. When people are frustrated and upset, they tend to post things that might WP:BOOMERANG back in their faces; so, if you feel the other editor is creating problems, you can report their behavior to WP:ANI and see if others can help resolve things. Another benefit of taking a step back is that it give you yourself a chance to cool down and reassess your own involvement in the matter. Sometimes when we're angry about something, our anger makes it hard to see whether we might've contributed to making a bad situation worse. Stepping back allows us time to self-assess to see if there was something we might be able to do better the next time we're faced with a similar situation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly when I was a child there was this school fellow who annoyed me and made me faces, do u say grimace?, (the teacher could perfectly see that), I asked the teacher to make him stop but she didn't do anything. so at the end I burst and swear to him and for that I got punished. This is the very same situation. pull off? u mean stop contributing on wikipedia than because he follows me around, than what would be the difference between this and being banned?. he perfectly knows what he is doing and his intention is to make me ban me but there is nothing I can do. I will be banned I know. the point is that if u and other editors asked an editor to discuss the articles and not the nominator but he keeps doing it no matter what, than he should be banned immediately. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

by the way, Marchjuly and @SuperGoose007:, than u for the advises. I know u wanna help me. thank u. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting you should stop editing Wikipedia. I'm only suggesting you (1) avoid making any comments about another editor which might be seen as a personal attack per WP:NPA, (2) try to avoid engaging this other editor whenever you can, but if you have to respond to them then try and remain WP:CIVIL and keep your comments focused on the content (e.g. the relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines) being discussed and not on each other as editors as much as possible. If you feel their behavior is a problem, you can seek administrator assistance at a place like WP:ANI; if you take that step though, you need to realize that the entire situation (including your involvement) is what administrators are going to be looking at. So, if the other editor's behavior is a problem, then don't post things that will make administrators want to examine your behavior as well. One way you can do this would be to choose section headings for you posts that aren't going to be seen as personal attacks against another editor and avoid insulting other editors in your posts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I just saw that an admin said that Gleeanon409 should have been blocked for edit war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#More_eyes_needed_on_Patrisse_Cullors --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring typically results in a warning or at most a temporary block of a day or two, so there was no potential for an indefinite block nor a besmirching of reputation. The two of you appear to be in a Deletionist versus Inclusionist personal struggle. I agree that stepping away from editing porn bios for a while is a good idea. Even if in truth Gleeanon409 is acting like a schoolyard bully, nothing forces you to keep going to the same schoolyard. David notMD (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: thank you for your advice. I wouldn't mind if he only discussed the articles I nominate. Sometime, like anybody else, I make mistakes and nominate articles that should not be nominated (that happens quite rarely though) so I am happy to have other people watching my work and let me know when I have missed something. whet I really can not stand is him keep telling me I do a lazy work and don't do wp:before. usually my answer is: "argue the article not me" but i am very tired of it. now, before I say this, I need to apology because I know how bad is going to sound: I can't change my school only because of a schoolyard bully. I am still so naive to think that sooner or later the teacher (admin) will tell him to stop. I don't care for having him blocked, I only want him to be told that what he is doing is not good and he needs to focus on the subject: the nominated article. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Contact TSRL

Would like to contact wiki contributor TSRL about Schoettler page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoettler_I

Please ask TSRL to contact SchotTak Thanks SchotTak (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

SchotTak You may contact them yourself, on their talk page, User talk:TSRL. You may find it easier to do in desktop mode in a browser, instead of the mobile version or the app. 331dot (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing unrelated page history?

Hi Teahouse! I recently moved a draft from my sandbox to article space (The Fan Brothers) and as a result the page history has all kinds of unrelated things (from drafting other articles). Is there a way to request to have that stuff removed, or do I just leave it? Thanks in advance! MapleSoy (talk) 03:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello MapleSoy, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I have done a history split, and the older revisions are now at User:MapleSoy/oldsandbox, in case you want t5o retrieve any of them. If you don't, and are sure you won't, you can ask for this to be deleted using {{db-author}}. In future you can place {{db-author}} on your sandbox to clear it out before startin a new project, or you can instead use a userspace draft, such as User:MapleSoy/New Topic. You can have as many of these as y9u like, provided all are for legitimate drafts of potential artiles, or are otherwise aimed at improving Wikipedia, such as tests or experiments. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Thank you so much! This is all very good to know. - MapleSoy (talk) 04:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i make an article

 shadmansakib (talk) 07:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Shadman24, have a look at WP:YFA. It guides you through the process of creating your first article. Celestina007 08:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Reverting page to original?

Hello,

I understand what you're saying. However, if the information that existed on that page was there already (before I did any editing), why can I not return it to how it was when I found it? Tensack (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tensack. It would help others to try and help you if you could actually provide a link to the article (page) you're referring to above. It would also help to know who the "you" is you're referring to in your post. It looks like you're asking about Daniella Ohad and from that's article's history it appears that quite a lot of content was removed as a copyright violation by an administrator named Justlettersandnumbers.

Perhaps, Justlettersandnumbers will give you a more detailed explanation why, but sometimes an article can be in the same state for quite some time. That could be for lots of reasons as explained in WP:CONTENTAGE, but perhaps the previous version you tried to re-establish wasn't really in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines and nobody noticed it until now. Probably the best place for you to discuss this would be at Talk:Daniella Ohad since disagreements over article content are generally best sorted on on the relevant article's talk page. One thing though is that the older version you tried to revert back contained lots of unsourced content, which can be particularly a problem per WP:BLPSOURCES. The current version seems to have been an attempt to remove what was unsourced and try keep only the stuff which can be verified through citations to reliable sources. So, in a Wikipedia sense, that is actually an improvement and more of what a Wikipedia article is intended to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly, that about covers it. The amount of copyvio was actually pretty limited (not enough to justify revdeletion in my opinion). I reverted Tensack mostly because the material was promotional and either ill-sourced (mostly to her own website) or completely unsourced, but also because of WP:UPE concerns. Tensack, if you are being – or expect to be – paid to edit here, you must make appropriate disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation; this obligatory, not optional. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Barbadian schools

Can a list of Barbadian schools be updated ? Ddemod (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ddemod: welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Almost any article can be updated, and almost any editor can update it. If you have changes to make to List of schools in Barbados, you are welcome to do so. Do leave an edit summary explaining what you are doing; and if you were to add a citation to a reliable published source for your change, you would be increasing the value of that completely unreferenced article immensely. --ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've now added a couple of references to it, so it's no longer completely unreferenced. This makes it very slightly more than totally valueless. --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Stupid question..

Hello, all.... If I find a page that has not been translated into English, do I have to translate it or leave it?  Aans03 (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: oh thanks for answering.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aans03 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, and (for future information) a ping doesn't work unless you end your message with your signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aans03: Do you mean you have found a page on English Wikipedia that is written in another language? That should not be. What page is it? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

How To Change My User Name??

Hey I want to change my user name so, How can i send request to change my use name??

My Current user name is User:Nithiin1983 this is my real name so i want change the user name.. so please suggest me how can i change it??

Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC) Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Nithiin1983 You may make a request at either Special:GlobalRenameRequest(if you have an email address attached to your account) or WP:CHUS (if you don't). 331dot (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Because you have such a small number of edits over such a short time, it might be best if you simply abandon the account (don't use it any more) and just create a new account with your desired username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983:, Following up on AlanM1's good advice: if you'd prefer that your old account (this one) not be associated with even these few contributions, you could blank your user page and then request for it to be deleted: add {{Db-u1}} to the top of your user page, and an admin will come around and delete it for you. Then, you can WP:VANISH your account. Now you're free to create a new account, with nothing to connect anyone to your old one. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, But i dont want to create new account i will use this only, so i hope this account will be eligible in future for changing my user name at that day i will send request to change my user name.Darknet King 12:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Please keep in mind that it can be confusing to others if your signature does not reflect your actual username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

How to format Infobox Artwork when work requires two images

The article with the Infobox Artwork is Tragic Prelude.

The image to be added is File:Portion_of_mural_Tragic_Prelude,_by_John_Steuart_Curry,_Kansas_Capitol,_Topeka.jpeg

This needs to be displayed horizontally to the right of the existing inage. The mural turns a corner and continues at 90°.

If there is a way to insert a two-part image in an infobox I don't know it. I could ditch the infobox and make a gallery. Or I could use external software to reate a collage of the two images, if that would not complicate the non-free fair use situation. deisenbe (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: I'd say take it out of the infobox and into a gallery. The resulting image would be so wide and reduced so much to fit in the infobox, it would be hard to see the details of it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Can you improve the formatting? deisenbe (talk) 11:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: There are a couple of issues involved here that are related to Wikipedia’s non-free content use policy.

The first one is related to WP:NFCC#9. Non-free file’s can only be used (i.e. displayed) in the article namespace. So, if you want to discuss them on a talk page or noticeboard like the Teahouse, please link to the file instead per WP:TPG#Non-free images.

The second has to do with WP:NFG. Non-free images are pretty much never allowed in image galleries. So, it would be better for you to try and incorporate the image into the body of the article near the content which discusses it.

Finally, the last thing has to do with WP:NFCC#1. The two other files of this work being used in that article are freely licensed images uploaded to Commons. If those licenses are correct, then there’s no way that a non-free image of the same work will be allowed per WP:FREER. Whether those Commons files licensed correctly depends on two things: the copyright status of the work itself and the copyright status of the photo. If the work isn’t still protected by copyright, then a non-free photo of it will never meet NFCC#1 because anyone could essentially take an equivalent photo and release it under a free license per c:COM:2D copying. If the work is still protected by copyright, then any photo of it would be need to be treated as non-free content even if the photo is freely licensed. You might want to ask about this a WP:MCQ or maybe even c:COM:VPC to see whether the work is still protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

This is way over my head. I read over the linked pages I found in the help files. I wish someone who knows better than me what to so would just fix it instead of leaving me complicated suggestions.

Regarding the gallery, this is an unusual case. The image is not used as one of a set of images of different works, as there is no image of the entire, complete work anywhere. You need the gallery to see the complete work that the article is about. If there's a better way to format it please do so. deisenbe (talk) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies on image use and non-free content use can be rather hard to sort out, but you’re going to need to be willing to make more of an effort to try and sort things out yourself if you’re going to be uploading images. Simply uploading files and then expecting others to figure out whether it was OK to do so is not really a good way to go about things. Everything is going to depend on the copyright status of the mural. If it’s still protected by copyright, then photos of it are going to be hard to use. If it’s not, then photos of it are going to be much easier to use. If File:THUMBNAIL001L.jpg is part of the same mural and its copyright license is correct, then the rest of the mural is also probably no longer protected by copyright is well if it was all painted together at the same time. Perhaps c:COM:PD-Art will help explain this better than I can here. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I’ve asked about this at WP:MCQ#File:Portion of mural Tragic Prelude, by John Steuart Curry, Kansas Capitol, Topeka.jpeg. One possible problem is that you don’t seem to be the person who took the photo. Which means there’s a good chance that Wikipedia cannot keep it even if the mural is considered to be within the public domain and thus not protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you looked at Template:Photo montage, Template:Multiple image, Template:Image frame, etc.? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

James Carney (pianist and composer)

Hello, am working on a WikiPedia for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Carney_(pianist_and_composer). and received this note from the editor:

---This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.---

I disagree that the ariticles mentioned only show passing mentions, most of the articles are about James Carney and his music.

There are a lot more articles that have been written about James Carney in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Downbeat, Jazz Times, All About Jazz, All Music and other books and publications.

Can someone give me some additional pointers? Thank you! HeidiBa (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@HeidiBa: Some of the references you provided are primary sources (e.g. Sunnyside Records, Cleanfeed Records, BandCamp, Steph Richards) or passing mentions (e.g. Syracuse International Film Festival). Since you have a lot more articles, you may want to consider expanding the draft using those references. You only have four sentences in the first section, and two sentence fragments in the "Notable Performances" section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HeidiBa. Does Common sourcing mistakes help at all? --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit.

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs)

@Fordtrucks: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This link might be a good place to start.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Art galleries as reliable sources

I've just had an editor delete a reference in an article with the reason that "a commercial gallery is not an independent reliable source" - I've read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources and do not believe that such a "blanket" statement can be made - any comments? Artdoofus (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The title of this thread, and your mention of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, suggest that you think that the issue is one of reliability. I believe that the real issue is not reliability, but independence. Commercial art galleries exist to sell artworks. They cannot be expected to be independent when assessing the merits and value of the works they display. Maproom (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Artdoofus, and welcome to the Teahouse. Few blanket statements are always correct about referencing. In general, a commercial gallery that is trying to sell work by a particular artist is not independent of that artist -- it has a financial interest in making that artist seem more important and successful than the artist actually is. Such a gallery might well be reliable for straightfo0rward facts, such as when was the artist born, when was a given picture painted, where does the artist live, who did the artist study under, and the like, but will not help much with notability. What article is this, because th4e exact statement being supported by the reference will matter. Not all refernces need to be independent. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok when companies insert their name in image captions?

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus In that article, the company name "Nanolive" appears in an image caption of a short video that was produced with their microscope. I have also seen similar patterns like this where company names appear in articles and/or image captions but don't really add value to the article. (at least I don't think the average user needs to know the brand of microscope something was filmed on) Should I remove such instances when I see them? Douira100 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the credit to Nanolive. If they want, and can justify, attribution of the image to them they should do so at the image's page on Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

issues with page edits

Hey fellow Wiki editors -- I just updated a page called Eden Reforestation Projects and it says that the page "has issues", including needing additional verification and not being linked to by any other page. But I don't understand why those issues are flagged because I added a lot of references and I saw that there is at least one other page (Ecosia) that links to Eden Reforestation Projects. Any advice? Thank you! Chandigar (talk) 19:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar. You are correct that Eden Reforestation Projects is no longer an orphan, so I removed that tag. The current state of the references is poor. Several are press releases which are not independent sources. Many are YouTube videos which can often be problematic and need to be checked carefully for copyright status, reliability and independence. Most of the references are presented as bare URLs. These should be properly formatted to present bibliographic information. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Will Wikipedia/Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books) used for editing?

Hello... Will Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books covering the Canadian Rockies) used only for editing? There used to be 2 books covering the Canadian Rockies and with an update, there are now 4 (the last - Rockies North - is still unavailable). I have no use for these other than my Wikipedia work - my knees are shot and I no longer can get into the backcountry. But these books have corrected mountain heights and other corrections, so I would like to acquire them. Is this something that Wikipedia or Commons will reimburse me if I do get them?). I figure one can't get reimbursed if one doesn't ask. Cheers, Brett. BrettA343 (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, BrettA343. I hesitate to say an unequivocal "No" from ignorance, but I've never heard of such a thing. It's possible that somebody could help at WP:REX. --ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi BrettA343 - nice to encounter you again (re Mount Lyell - if you need a memory jog). I do know what you mean about 'shot knees'; me too, mate. I think Colin is right to suggest this is extremely unlikely - I've never heard of it either. Over at my pet WikiProject (WP:ALPS) we're building up a list of references works that we each hold and are willing to help one another with (but probably not actually loan out). You might find that WP:MOUNTAINS does the same, or that someone might have the relevant guidebook they'd be willing to pass over/sell you. I've had to buy my own books for my Wikipedia-related mountaineering interests (I guess that's why it's called an 'interest'), but my approach has been to keep an eye out on ebay for a work that's being sold at the right price for me. I've also found Twitter useful at times, and recently had one kind person scan me an obituary from an 1895 Alpine Club journal, which I then used, whilst a casual tweet to Ambrosia10 was retweeted to her followers, within the hour solving a 25 year mystery, and allowing me to improve a page I'd been working on for ages. Utilising the goodwill of other interested parties across the globe can sometimes yield great things. And its free! Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick and Colin, but I had to ask... Next, I guess I'll ask Santa if she can help :-). I think getting help from WP:MOUNTAINS might be a good idea, too, but I'll likely wait 'til Xmas as I'd rather have my own copies of the 4 volumes anyway, and thus not bug project members (even willing ones). I can't see many copies of these being offered for sale, just because they're too new (and improved over previous editions). And of course I remember your involvement on my Mt. Lyell question, Nick - and glad to see you hosting at The Teahouse :-)! Thanks again and cheers, Brett BrettA343 (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Feedback requested on first rewrite

Hello Teahouse! Although I've had an account for some years, I only recently started editing. I found out about The Wikipedia Adventure, and tried to complete that today, although I think it was a bit buggy.

In any case, I've made several edits to Consensus decision-making recently, after trying to get some feedback via the talk page. I ended up re-writing the intro and moving some sections. I feel a bit uneasy making such big edits (and I intend to do more) without getting any feedback. I wondered if someone would like to give me some feedback if I'm doing anything totally wrong?

Cheers, Douginamug (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You added a subsection to provide an example, and while it contained Wikilinks, you neglected to copy/paste references. Also, check if article using Great Britain spelling, USA spelling or other English language country. David notMD (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD, I was unsure if I should copy and paste references—now I know. Douginamug (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

uploading photos

hi Wiki peeps. I want to upload some photos taken by the organization itself; do they have to do it themselves? I've read the Wiki info on photos but it's a bit confusing. Chandigar (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar and welcome to the Teahouse. Someone authorized by the copyright holder, which probably means someone from the organization, would have to release the photos under a free license, such as CC-BY-SA. This can be done by posting the images in an obviously official place,m such as the organization's web site, with a release statement. It could alternatively be done by following the process at Donating copyrighted material which involves an email sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org from an address clearly associated with the copyright holder, probably the organization. That email will need to confirm the release, and specify the url where the images are located. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to upload

Can you please teach me how to upload pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fordtrucks: See Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, and be sure you understand who owns the copyright of the pictures. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

New editor

 KittipongDawdungnoi 1 (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KittipongDawdungnoi 1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help with an edit.

Hi Wiki folk,

I found an error on a protected page and was curious if there was a place where I could suggest an edit for someone with access to make the change. The error is on the "Sri Lanka" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka page, Toponomy section, third paragraph, sentence 1. The "ṃ" should be changed to "ṅ" as this would be the more accurate way of pronunciation. Source: http://www.visiblemantra.org/pronunciation.html

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randru01 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Randru01 and welcome to the Teahouse, Yes, the place to make such a suggestion would be on Talk:Sri Lanka, using {{edit request}}. Providing a reliable source is a very good idea in such cases. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Notifications of replies

Is Wikipedia supposed to notify me when someone replies to a question of mine, for example at the reference desk? Or am I required to check "Watch this page" every time I ask a question?

Also, when I reply to someone on an article's talk page, can I be sure they'll be notified of the reply, or does that also require them having selected "Watch this page"? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Welcome to Wikipedia. It is not automatic. You will only get notified if someone "pings" you when they reply, as I have done here to notify you. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, ok, did I do the ping correctly? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Yes. I got the notification. You got it figured out. RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Great, thank you for the help. Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Do you have any idea why I haven't gotten any notifications for the replies I've gotten on Talk:Mangalwedha? Cheesycow5 (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: looks like most of the replies to you are not signed. the notification only works if the "ping" and the signing are in the same post. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, that makes sense, thanks. Cheesycow5 (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

uploaded photo

Hi I have mistakenly uploaded this image to the internet outside of wiki, can this be reversed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Martin._%27Wigandia%27..jpg#file Kwaizzz (talk) 03:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kwaizzz: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The file you linked to above is in Wikipedia's "file namespace". You can use it in your article on William Martin, although uploading to Wikimedia Commons is desired as it can then be used in Wikipedia articles in different languages. Did you want to delete the above file for some reason?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your input. I uploaded the file for possible use thinking it would be at my disposal to use and not as it is now, freely available. I am very new to the wiki process and easily confused at this point in time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwaizzz (talk • contribs)

@Kwaizzz: because of the way it is licensed on that page, anyone can use it, including you, if you want to use it in a wiki article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

If possible I would like the photo deleted.Thanks again. Kwaizzz (talk) 06:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC) cannot remove? Kwaizzz (talk) 03:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Two conflicting titles on a source

I am looking through some of the sources on an article and it appears differently on Google Books to how it appears on WorldCat. What should I do here? User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thatoneweirdwikier, and welcome back to the Teahouse.

It looks as if one source is simply giving a shortened version of the title, and it is mfien nto use that. Or the checvk further. The US Library of Congress lists the title as The Battle of Britain : and the American factor, July-October 1940 / David A. Johnson. so it seem that "and the American factor, July-October 1940" is a sub-title. Both here on Wikipedia, and in listings elsewhere, sub-titles are optional, and can be included or omitted. In any case if you are using this as a source you should have actually read it. If you read the physical book, what did the title page say? If you read an online version, what title was listed there? In general follow the source in the form that you read it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thatoneweirdwikier: In general, WorldCat has unfortunately become rather polluted with inaccuracies and duplications in the last couple of years. I think they did some mass importing from other sources and didn't do a good job of matching against their existing data.

In this particular case, all the pictures of the cover that I find do not include "the American Factor". There appears to be only one edition. I would use "The Battle of Britain: July-October 1940" as the title. I don't know what to do with the "Great Campaigns" (if anything). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new to Wikipedia. Chevytrucks (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please ignore this question. This user has been blocked indefinitely. I am leaving this note so people don't waste time trying to type up an answer. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The editor has been unblocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

And blocked indefinitely for being a mere puppet of a blocked user. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Chevytrucks: Looks like you're using WP:The Wikipedia Adventure. You might also want to try Help:Introduction to editing. GoingBatty (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

crystal

 186.189.148.113 (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, is there a specific question you want to ask? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Confused

CONFUSED!

Hi All, Need some help, please! I've added factual content to a persons page, which reads like an advert. It keeps being taken down even though it is fact and now I'm being threatened to be blocked as a contributor.

Teddy McDonald, previously referred to as the artist Teddy M, was made bankrupt in the High Court on 4th February 2020 for not paying debts

Why is this being contested?

Thank you! Justright89199 (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see your user talk page and WP:BLP. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Here's a reference, which might help: (Redacted) Maproom (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The content that Justright89199 wants to add (and keeps re-adding) is the subject's address. Wikipedia does not allow the posting of that kind of personal information. Not even if it has been previously published elsewhere. In my opinion that policy would also prohibit posting the link that shows their address. "Factual content" about the subject's bankruptcy can be sourced in other ways. I have explained this clearly to Justright in several places. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Where to begin in expanding an entry (and avoiding conflicts of interest)?

Hello,

I'm working as a strategist for an organization called 'The Munathara Initiative' and I'm being tasked with expanding upon the wikipedia entries of both the organization itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Munathara_Initiative) as well as its founder, Belabbes Benkredda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belabbes_Benkredda). I've taken the tour and read some independent articles on how best to expand on articles and avoid conflicts of interest, but I'm wondering more concretely if I should expand upon the entries all at once and insert reliable sources, or whether I should approach this as more of a piecemeal project.

Thanks so much for your help and advice! Mgordner (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You shouldn't make any edits to the articles directly. You should first include a clear declaration of paid editing on your user page, and then as you have a conflict of interest you should use the article's talk page to propose changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated, @David Biddulph. What exactly does it mean to declare myself a paid editor on my user page? Does this mean posting "paid editing " at the top of the page? I already state that I am working for Munathara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgordner (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Needs to be on your User page. Calling yourself a "Senior Strategist" is not clear enough. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

If you read WP:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose again, it tells you how to do it. Part of that section says "... and to supply a clearly visible list of their paid contributions on their main user page. The template {{paid}} can be used for this.". --David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I finish a translation using the translation tool?

Hi, I just published my first two translations. I used the translation tool and when I was reasonably happy with the result I renamed the page. Now I have two versions: one is the article and another one is an unfinished translation. How do I delete the unfinished translation? Cases are Jacques van Lier and Lina Coen. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ruud Buitelaar: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want to delete a page in your userspace such as User:Ruud Buitelaar/Jacques van Lier, you can replace all the text with {{db-self}}, and someone will be along shortly to delete it. If the page you want to delete is not in your userspace, could you please provide a link? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC).

Thanks! Yes, the pages are in my userspace. I´ll follow your instructions to delete them.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

how to change my user name here?

how to change my user name here? ddc (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You asked the same question at WP:Help desk and had an answer there. Please don't waste the time of volunteers by asking the same question in multiple places. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dr.dinesh charan and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:Changing username for full details. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to remove false information from a wikipedia page

Hi, We would like to remove false information from a wikipedia page. We have tried several times to change the information and the editor Jacona has blocked any further changes. What can we do to stop this false information? Thank you Mulan.christian (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Mulan.christian:. I'm afraid without information regarding what article you are referring to, and what the problematic content is supposed to be, there is likely very little we can do to help. GMG^talk 14:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mulan.christian Ther have been no edits other than the above message from this account. Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts should be for the use of one single person, never shared or for use by a gorup, company, or organization. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Jacona do you have any idea what is the subject here? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I can only guess, and not sure that would be productive. But I would venture to guess it's someone who wants to remove reliably sourced information they don't like. Mulan.christian, you will have to be more specific if you want any help.Jacona (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Linking non-existent entry to an existing article

Hello. I wanted to create a page on wikipedia that doesn't exist but I want to create it only as a link to an already existent page on wikipedia. For example a search for Kynast Castle, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Kynast+Castle, should link to Chojnik Castle as it is the same castle just in two different languages, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chojnik_Castle .

Thank you. Aavc86 (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You want to create Kynast Castle as a redirect. See instructions at WP:MAKEREDIR. PAVA11 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with hyperlink to new page and correcting information

Hi, I looked at the page for Biron, WI Biron, Wisconsin and have a couple of questions. First, the statement, "The village was named after Francis X. Biron, a merchant from Galena, Illinois who opened a store in Wisconsin Rapids.[7]" is misleading as Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada. So, how can I fix this?

Secondly, I'd like to know how add a hyperlink to his name to provide his biography on a different page. I have source information that I got from the library in Biron/Wisconsin Rapids and wasn't sure if I need to link to them or somehow prove that my information is legitimate.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you. Ldicesare57 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ldicesare57 and welcome to the Teahosue.

• As to your first question, do you have a reliable source which supports your statement that Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada.? If you do, yo0u can simply add this information to the article, citing the source. Or if you are not comfortable doing that, post the information along with the details of your source (and a link if the source is online) to Talk:Biron, Wisconsin. You may ping me to the talk page if you like after you post there.
• Secondly, do not post links to non-Wikipedia page in the body of an article, except as cited sources., Please read Referencing for Beginners to learn how to add source citations. Please read WP:EL to learn about external links and how they may and may not be used.

If you want to create a new Wikipedia page about Francis X. Biron, that is a significant piece of work. Please read Your First Article. I will place additional detailed info on your user talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Facebook: Using a subject expert's quote (as a secondary/tertiary source)

Hello Teahouse,

Quick question, as the guidance on using Facebook as a source is a little ambiguous. WP:FACEBOOK says: 'As a reliable source: Sometimes (OK to use, under the following conditions): The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. (See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources.)

Now, I'm not trying to use it as a primary source, rather as a secondary, or even tertiary one, in support of the other sources I've provided (and within the body of an article, not to create a new article itself). To be exact, the post is from 'The World's Leading Script Development Company for Writers & Filmmakers' and sent to their 53,000 followers, which quotes the words of an Academy Award nominated scriptwriter (the secondary source), who has described the similarities between a student's work and that of a TV show as 'staggering and non-coincidental'. The student is the primary source. Using the guidance above, it only references that it's sometimes OK to use Facebook as a primary source (which surely means it can be used as a secondary source, afterall primary is about themselves). Following the guidance on verifiability, as a self-published source it would be acceptable as they are clearly subject-expertys, as is the person they are quoting? Advice much appreciated. Thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC) SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SethRuebens. No, Facebook is never acceptable as a secondary source, because secondary sources must be reliably published; that is, published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If the words of the scriptwriter have been published somewhere reliable, cite that. If they haven't they cannot be cited. --ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ColinFine. The debate is around the reliability of the other secondary sources (self-published from subject experts), which I understand is OK based on WP:SPS, but which is being debated. Just thought that logically a third party, totally unconnected to the second and primary ones, would be acceptable, when that tertiary source is quouting the secondary one about the primary source's work (as convoluted as it seems). Doesn't make sense that they can be included talking about themselves, and not about others. Regards, SR SethRuebens (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

SethRuebens, a SPS is reliable for what the (self-)publisher says they did, including for what they say about others. But it's reliable as a source that they said it about the others (which may or may not be an encyclopaedic claim); it is not a reliable source for the content of what they said. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine thanks. That makes sense. The issue I have is that one of the arguments I'm debating is 'it's just one person's claims that this happened', when clearly it's been supported by multiple subject-expert secondary sources, whose words have been acknowledged in the Facebook post of the tertiary one. I'm just trying to establish that the tertiary source 'said it'. The encyclopaedic claim part is a different part of the argument (although I don't think there's any issue over that, yet!). Many thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Using copyright images with owner's permission

I would like to understand how to use copyright images for which I have the owner's permission. Where and how should I upload them? Where and how should I cite the owner's permission. Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm a complete newbie and what I've read so far seems to focus on copyright free images which can be re-used freely by anyone. If I upload an image to Wikimedia Commons I am making it free to use, which it is not. I am working on Draft:John Roberts a page on a very talented sculptor who died young in 2002. Thanks in advance for your help. Humble seeker after wisdom (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Humble seeker after wisdom:. Unfortunately, we cannot accept images that have limited permission only for use on Wikipedia. If the owner of the image would like it used on Wikipedia, they will need to release the image into the public domain, or release it under a particular free license. GMG^talk 18:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Humble seeker after wisdom and welcome to the Teahouse. The reasons the various help pages concentrate on image free for every one to use is that images used only "with the owner's permission" are simply not allowed on Wikipedia. Unless the owner's permission amounts to a release under a free license, so that anyone in the world my use or modify the image, for any purpose at all, provided only that proper credit is given, without any further permission or fee required, then Wikipedia considers the image to be "non-free" and allows its use only under a claim of fair use. A permission from the copyright holder "to use this image on Wikipedia only" is simply ignored. Non-free images may be used only if they comply with the non-free content criteria, and if they do comply they may be used even if the copyright owner objects. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Problematic info

Just read the entry on Talmudic scholar Jose Faur. The style of the entire article is std. And, as is also std., there is brief info on Faur’s 3 children, no sources given. At the end of the relevant sentence, someone whose first language is not English has provided, in a highly personal, idiosyncratic voice, information about a fourth “secret child.”

Should this portion of the entry be edited into std English? Deleted in it’s entirety? I cannot find public information supporting the claim of a 4th, unacknowledged child. Drsharps53 (talk) 18:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Drsharps53: Thanks for pointing this out - I removed the info, per WP:BLP guidelines about unsourced personal information. Article is José Faur. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Struck the BLP part - he is apparently no longer alive - I missed that earlier. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page

Hi, how can I create a talk page based on a film, actor, or a subject, like Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput? Thanks! We are the Great (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You cannot at this time, until you reach confirmed status, at least. El_C 17:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

El C If you look, you will see that We are the Great is far past being autoconfirmed. Indeed that user has extended-confirmed rights.

We are the Great, simply go to any article page, and click the "talk" tab ("discussion" in some skins I think). If there is no current talk page, you can create one by simply typing and saving. Note that atalk page is for discussing how to improve the article, it is not a general forum to discuss the topic. It is common for one or more project banner templates to be at or near the top o an article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I just assumed the article talk page being under semiprotection was the hindrance here. El_C 19:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Making an article about an association

I have made an article about an association which is more than 25 years old in India and still active with prominent computer scientists involved. This article is rejected. How can I make this article more neutral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ACCS_India Hebbarp (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hebbarp, Read the essays Writing better articles - Information style and tone and Neutral point of view. ~ Amkgp 💬 20:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do you I stop the Mental Disorder article from constantly being re-edited to equate mental disorders with mental illness, when they are not the same thing?

Dear Teahouse, My name is Dr. Christopher Binetti. I have four non-physical disorders, two or more of them qualify as mental disorders. I am not mentally ill. I do not like the idea that non-disabled people are persuading non-mentally ill people that they are mentally ill when they simply have manageable mental disorders or disabilities. Telling every person with ASD, OCD, or anxiety that they have a mental illness, when it is not true, creates both confusion and more stigma, not less. I face disability discrimination all of the time because of fallacies like this. I am not mentally ill but some able person, I hope that I was an able person, just basically said that I was in denial for refusing to "accept" that I had a mental illness, when I have a mental disorder or disability. There is a real distinction and psychiatrists and psychologists, at least in the US, acknowledge the difference. The mind and the body are not perfectly the same, so that needing medication and therapy does not make you "sick" or "ill". You just manage your disability. Mental illness is very real, believe me, but it is not simply having a mental disorder or mental disability. Able people are imposing the term "mental illness" on everything. This is the cruel side of political correctness. While we all are forced to use the singular they because the term "he or she" offends non-binary people, no one thinks twice of calling a non-mentally ill person "mentally ill" because one has a mental disorder or disability. It is a lack of power on the behalf of disabled people. The truth is that mentally disabled or disordered people are usually not mentally ill. I hope that people stop equating mental disorders with mental illness on the Mental Disorder page and in life. Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti

 Cbinetti (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Cbinetti, Please post this feedback at Talk:Mental disorder to start a discussion there. Please don't keep editing the article without consensus, because this can be seen as edit warring (however well intentioned). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing a reference is never a good action unless justified (the ref did not apply or replaced with a better ref). Your comment at the article's Talk page is a huge block of text. Perhaps add a succinct recommendation of what you propose to change, with a ref(s) in support of your statement that a mental disorder should not be further defined as a mental illness, especially as there is not a separate article by that name. Lastly, editors using their own condition or situation as part of an argument does not help. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

When to add a source?

Hello! Apologies if my question is silly, I usually am good with context clues and such, but I'm a bit stumped here. See, I recently edited the page for aquarium fish, and saw that most sections for the fish had no source provided, so I assumed adding one would be cluttering the box when I wrote a section on the penguin tetra. However, my edit was removed quickly for a lack of a source/original research. I'm totally fine with this, I'm just wondering why it wasn't applied to the other fish in the section. If it's because I'm new or not as trustworthy with edits, I understand! I'm pretty new here. Thanks in advance. Chicago Shuffle (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Materialscientist left a comment on your Talk page, so logically, you could post your question on MS's Talk page. I do see that content in the Remarks column is not referenced for other fish. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to reference a "Certificate of Incorporation"?

I am writing my first article, and one of the references I want to use is a "Certificate of Incorporation" from 1928. There is no author, just 15 original members' signatures. I've looked at all the templates and cannot figure out how to make it work.

Most of my other references easily fit into this template:

• "Paris Post 1 to Have Headquarters in New York". The National Legionnaire. Indianapolis, IN: The American Legion. July 1947. Retrieved July 14, 2020. Rick Jones (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  RichardWJones, this isn't responsive to your question, but I'd strongly advise you to read WP:PSTS and WP:N. I looked at User:RichardWJones/sandbox (which I imagine this question may relate to), and I see a whole lot of primary sources. Wikipedia articles should be primarily built on secondary sources, and primary sources should be used with care. Also, primary sources cannot establish that a subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Before you invest more time in your draft, you may want to seek guidance to make sure that you have identified sufficient secondary sources about Paris Post 1 and that it qualifies for an article. I'll leave the question about citation formatting to others. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1, Thank you for your comment. I understand why my sources look like primary sources. Paris Post 1 is an American Legion post, and the sources are American Legion publications. That said, they are two different organizations. Paris Post 1 is a stand-alone post in Paris; the American Legion is a national organization in the U.S. The publications in question were neither created nor published by Paris Post 1. That said, I am also on the trail other sources (French and American newspapers, Congressional Records, a few history books) that I hope will fill out the historical record.

Is a "Certificate of Incorporation" a published document? I'm dubious. --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, it may vary by the exact jurisdiction, but they are typically publicly filed, and publicly available for viewing with varied degrees of hassle -- from pulling it up online to going to a distant courthouse. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, In fact, I found another Wikipedia article that uses the same "Certificate of Incorporation" that I want to use. So I guess that answers the question.

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour, a notable actor:

• 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and elcinema.com, and Marefa – Ali Mansour's biography.

• 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook verified page.

• 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here. and Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3 , radio interview On the official channel , television interview.

• all i have write in the Draft have a source.
• and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
• click here to see ali mansour on google. or write ”ali mansour actor” on google. or write ”علي منصور مبادرة” to see ali mansour in arabic on google.
• Thank you. 102.40.55.120 (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Created 28 July, Declined 28 July, Rejected 29 July. Creating editor advised to ask for help at Teahouse, which is why here (above). David notMD (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Note this was posted about again, 10 hours later, below at #anyone can help please. Please don't do that. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I am did a mistake on redirection!

It is gone wrong, Wikipedians, making a redirect (Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto) to Vico Sotto, but it goes to Vic Sotto! The another Sotto is on the last. You need to modify it and correct it so it will go to Vic Sotto. I will listen. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707, you appear to have created a redirect at Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, not Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto. It's not clear to me whether that's also an error that needs correction, but I've fixed the first problem of it pointing to the wrong article (although you could have done that yourself). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, i changed my mind. You need to remove (speedy delete) Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, and i will make a correct version, goes to the mayor of Pasig. Rdp060707 (talk) 15:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707,  Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

What is ''?

If i add translations in the articles about places in my country, '' must be added or what? Is that Example or Example? Rdp060707 (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rdp060707 The usual convention is that non-english words are shown in italics like this. Is that what you are asking about? Could you link to an example, please? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Here is the example, which is from Meycauayan and my own words:

Tagalog: Lungsod ng Meycauayan and Tagalog: Bayan ng Halimbawa

NOTE: This second one is not from a article. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707 the above from Meycauayan seems perfectly proper and consistent with the guidance at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC which says: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. Use the native spellings if they use the Latin alphabet (with or without diacritics)—otherwise anglicize their spelling. It is best to use {{lang}} rather than manually adding italic markup. Translations, as opposed to transliterations or untranslated non-English words, may or may not require italics. Does that answer your question? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I will know that. Thank you. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to convince an editor that Romania exists on Simon Belmont

The character of Simon Belmont originated in Transylvania, which is part of Romania, which an anonymous editor thinks does not exist. How do I fix this mistake without breaking the three edit rule? (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You may be misunderstanding that editor's edit summary, which admittedly is written in poor English with improper tense usage. I think their point is that this fictional character was supposedly born when Transylvania was indeed part of Hungary (or, technically, the Austro-Hungarian Empire), well before the creation of the country of Romania in 1859.

Having said that, it's not evident to me what this character's ethnicity is supposed to be, so whether categorising him under Category:Fictional Hungarian people is appropriate or not I can't judge. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi (Oinkers42). Not sure how to convince someone that something like a country exists when they insist that it doesn't, but perhaps that's not a relevant issue since the article seems to be about a fictional character who might be living in a fictional world where a country named Romania might possibly not exist. Regardless of whether this is the case, you should try and start a discussion about this at Talk:Simon Belmont and explain the reasons for you edit and see if you're able to establish a consensus in favor of your position because this is a kind of content dispute and content disputes are almost always best resolved through discussion on the article talk page. Edit warring with the IP address will likely only lead to your account being blocked unless you clearly think reverting them again is allowed per WP:3RRNO. Whether the IP is willing to participate in such a discusison is ultimately up to the IP to decide, but their participation isn't needed for one to take place. Once a consensus has been reached, however, the IP will be expected to abide by it or establish a new consensus in favor of their posistion; in other words, they just can't ignore the consensus and do what they want. FWIW, this article has been nominated for deletion and quite a number of editors have commented on it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Belmont; so, it probably should be too difficult to find people other than IP willing to discuss this with you on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The IP's edit summary is clear and correct, though slightly ungrammatical. At the time of Belmont's (fictitious) life, Romania did not exist as a nation. Describing Simon Belmont as Romanian is absurd. Maproom (talk) 07:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to transclude an article?

Just as you can transclude a user page, {{User:ClueBot NG}}, I'm wondering if you could do the same with an article. 108.30.102.177 (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but why would you need to do that? It works like this: {{:Wikipedia}}. Howewer, there is a limit on the size of included pages which might get triggered if you attempt to include large articles. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

In addition to what Victor mentioned above, transcluding an article can also create problems if their are images (particularly non-free images) involved. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing the name of a submitted draft article

Hello. I've submitted a draft article for review and I'm now thinking that I should've named it differently.

The draft is Tulay Goren - in line with other honour killing victims, such as Shafilea Ahmed and Samaira Nazir, I think "Murder of Tulay Goren" would've been more apt. Can it be changed and, if so, how? Or will it break something if it's done now? Thank you. DSQ (talk) 06:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DeltaSnowQueen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could leave a note on the draft talk page that you would like the title changed; if it is accepted, the reviewer can change the name when they move it into the main encyclopedia. If they accept it but don't do that, you can request a page move at Requested Moves to change the title after it is moved. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you 331dot, much appreciated. I'll try leaving a note for the reviewer. --DSQ (talk) 11:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I get an existing image in my article to appear top right?

Wikipedia - best enjoyed with a mug of tea served by one of our Hosts

Sorry for this rather basic question, I've been looking on Help pages for an answer, but not succeeding. I looked at Infoboxes, but not sure that's the answer. If someone could kindly point me in the right direction, I'd be really grateful - thank you! CourtauldGill (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC) 

Hi, CourtauldGill, and welcome to the Teahouse. You were so close but so far! It simply needed a vertical 'pipe' between each of the parameters to make it work. I’ve now fixed it for you. In addition, one parameter was invalid; I’ve changed 'image caption=' to just 'caption='.

The default position for any image is at the right of any section you add it to. So, without using an infobox, you could have placed it immediately before the lead sentence. To force an image to the left, you would have to add "left" into the source code, -between pipe characters.

One little tip is to try using the 'preview button' to check how your edits may look. For complex things like infoboxes I often experiment in my sandbox first. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, Nick - really appreciate your kind help. Thank you so much for coming to the rescue!! The article looks so much better now  :-)

CourtauldGill (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. A pleasure to be of help. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Problem

Dear support team,

I have no financial stake in promoting the topic I wrote about, meanwhile I cant figure out why my article didn't get accepted to be published.

Thank you for your time Abdelmounimbfs (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdelmounimbfs, Draft:Waystocap was declined for the reasons explained at its top. Please read about Wikipedia's concept of notability. To get the draft accepted, you are going to need to cite several reliable independent sources about Waystocap. The draft currently cites none. Articles based on what a representative of the company has said do not qualify as "independent". Maproom (talk) 07:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Abdelmouhnimbfs. Please understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything the subject of an article says about itself, or that its associates or representatives say about it. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information by the subject, have chosed to publish about the subject. An article needs to be based at least 90% on such indepedent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdelmounimbfs You don't have to have a "financial stake" to have a conflict of interest, nor do you have to be specifically paid to edit in order to be a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abdelmouhnimbfs: I was the editor that left the notices on your talk page. The policy on WP:OUTING forbids me from stating my reasons publicly, but I will say that did not do it without reason. If you are working for this company, representing their interests, then you are considered a paid editor. You don't have to be receiving monetary remuneration for this to apply. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Template not forming new row in table

Hi I'm basing my table on this example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table/example_row_template

This is my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dave_F63/sandbox&action=edit

I added my own attempt at a template on the second row: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uknrstn&action=edit

Could you explain why it's not formatting as a separate row? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dave_F63/sandbox Dave F63 (talk) 23:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dave F63: Your template {{Uknrstn}} was missing the leading |- that is used to start a new table row. I added it for you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you! That's what comes of staring at the screen for too long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave F63 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i help Wikipedia without donating money ?

 2409:4043:2B8D:98BD:2998:7F41:C96B:A803 (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. There are lots of ways to help out, and nobody needs to give money to make a useful contribution! I have left a welcome message for you here, with a suggestion to create an account (though that's not an essential requirement), plus a couple of links to get you started. It's always a good idea to start slowly, learning the right way to make contributions. Taking out interactive tour The Wikipedia Adventure is a great way to collect 15 badges to show you've understood how things work. Starting with little fixes to one or two of our 6,000,000+ articles is the best way. Maybe find topics you're interested in and look for spelling or grammar fixes you can make. Or perhaps add a supporting reference (see this guide on adding sources to statement. If you're stuck for ideas, visit Wikipedia:Community portal where there are links to a range of ways to help out. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Norwegian/english references and ORG/NO wiki-link challnges

Hey! Im working on an English page, but some of the references are only in Norwagian. Is it possible to show/make it clear that the NO links do not exist in EN-version?

Also I have trouble putting in the NO and ORG wiki-links in the text. It says the wikipage does not exist although it does. Any tips on how to fix this?

Ex. on links that appear as non-existant when I try to add them in the text: Royal Ballet School: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ballet_School

Norsk Scenekunst: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_scenekunstbruk

Thanks in advance. Best, May MaySundAnd (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MaySundAnd. If you use the template {{ill}}, it creates a redlink to the non-existent English article, and a link labelled "no" to the no-wiki article; but if somebody creates the English article, it will silently change to point to that. So {{ill|Norsk scenekunstbruk|no}} displays as Norsk scenekunstbruk. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Page naming within a topic (slavery in agriculture)

Hello Tea friends,

I'd like to ask about page naming for new pages about slavery. I am looking to draft a page about slavery in agriculture, but industry specific or linked with particular item grown (e.g. coffee, berries, etc.). Is there a preferred naming system, e.g. "Slavery in coffee industry", or any other parameters like this?

I saw that there is the Slavery Category, and it has "Slavery by location/type". But this doesn't quite fit as some of these issues are global, and type doesn't apply as that is around bonded-, etc.

Thank you so much for your time and advice! SunnyBoi (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Getting attention on the Dispute resolution noticeboard

A dispute was brought to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris by another editor, but Im one of the editors involved. I realize DRN is staffed by volunteers, and our edit is tiny, but its on a popular page Kamala_Harris. Not on the top 25 list, but topical. We got attention of one volunteer three days ago, but it was sort of an ancillary question. Im grateful for the attention its gotten, but for lack of attention, its sort of turned into an extension of the Talk:Kamala_Harris page, and I think it's not doing anyone any good. I would say, even I have not helped in this regard. Ive unfortunately responded way beyond my summary.

How do we move this forward, and get the attention of a volunteer? Rklahn (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

This has been has been answered elsewhere, and no longer needs to be addressed here. Rklahn (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Any Template Editor who help me in fixing a template

Hi editors, hope you are doing well, I recently created a WikiProject namely Wikipedia:WikiProject Chenab Valley and it's template Template: WikiProject Chenab Valley having some issues. When I rate any article related to WikiProject, there is no option rate stub, start, C, B or any specifically to this. Also have lots of other issues which needs to be solved. Kindly check and fix it. Also tell me the solution about other issues. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 03:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: I'd suggest WT:COUNCIL to reach an audience that might be familiar with the WikiProject templates (or at least point you to where you might find help). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How does one publish a legitimate biography page for Wikipedia?

A fan of mine spent quite some time looking up resources and creating a Wikipedia page about me and my career and the many books I've written on the art of magic. He sent it to me to proof and then upload in case I wanted to make changes. Obviously, this is not how things are normally done here because I was told the page would most likely be taken down. The information is correct. It is all verifiable. How does he or I proceed in uploading this?

Jim 2605:6000:1500:CF8D:FD0E:4FB8:BB09:8DDF (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I would note that Wikipedia does not have mere "pages"; it has articles. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person). "Significant coverage" goes beyond brief mentions, interviews with the subject, routine announcements, name drops, or other primary sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what an article subject wants to say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them say about them. Typically an article subject has no say into whether or not an article exists about them, it all depends on the sources.

Autobiographical articles, while not forbidden, are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view. If someone has approached you with what they want to write about you, they would have a conflict of interest that they would need to declare. They should avoid directly creating such an article, but instead may submit a draft using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please help: Wisbech

I come to you, in search of brave-hearted editors, of keen mind, fearless and true. Wisbech, (population @ 32K), has been invaded by one sentence, one paragraph factoids. I challenge, nay, I beg you to open the article, and scan through it.

I think I can tackle the Sport section, with its 19! subsections. But I fear I do not have a grasp of the minutiae of 17th-19th century English history, that may be required for other sections.

Any advice or help will be deeply appreciated. As I post, more factoids are being added, by the same editor, F, who has contributed, at last count, 70.7% to the article. What to do??? Thanks, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Fenlandier expanded Wisbech to >200,000 bytes. Quisqualis has since cut it by half. I suppose we will see if all that leads to an edit war. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, thanks for your help with the article. Cheers, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Problem creating article

SAME WITH ME!!! THEY KEEP BLOCKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CREATE THE PAGE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonsafko (talk • contribs) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please dont write in all capital letters. It's considered shouting and will definitely not help you cause. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please not, both the IP user and Lonsafko, that a Wikipedia article about you is absolutely not for your benefit. If there is an article, and it says what you approve of, that is fortunate for you; but Wikipedia is not interested in whether or not you want there to be an article about you, and if there is, Wikipedia is not interested in what you would like the article to say. It is interested only in what people who have no connection with you, and not prompted or fed information from you, have chosen to publish about you in reliable places. If there is enough such independent published material, Wikipedia would like to have an article about you, whether you approve of it or not; and if there is not, Wikipedia will not host an article on you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help?

Kepler-452b artist concept (you can change the caption if you wish.)

Kew gardens pitcher plant.
You can place images on the left, if you wish

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help? GGGGopie (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, GGGGopie and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. I've added the picture on the right to your sandbox. It's from Wikimedia Commons, where each image has a "Use this file" link next to a 'W' icon for using it on Wikipedia. Copy/paste the text that displays into your sandbox, just as I've done. You can change the caption if you wish. Just one word of advice: there's no point trying to create a new article for one that already exists (such as the page entitled Kepler-452b)- but maybe that's not why you wanted it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia misleading its readers?

I am a frequent Wikipedia reader who occasionally edits, and for the past few weeks I’ve seen messages asking for donations. I don’t donate for certain reasons (though I will consider donating later on), but today, I saw a message that said "To all our readers in India, It might be awkward, but please don't scroll past this. This Sunday, for the 1st time recently, we humbly ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence. 98% of our readers don't give; they simply look the other way. If you are an exceptional reader who has already donated, we sincerely thank you. If you donate just ₹ 150, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years. Most people donate because Wikipedia is useful. If Wikipedia has given you ₹ 150 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, neutral information that their work matters. Thank you."

Is Wikipedia deliberately misleading its Indian readers by saying that this is the first time it has asked Indians for donations?

And one more thing which I think the Wikimedia staff should be aware of (I don’t know where to inform them): there is currently a social media campaign against Wikipedia being orchestrated by conservatives in India as per this 45.251.33.60 (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I parse the awkwardly-worded statement as saying that it is the first time recently that they ask. I believe the banner campaign happens for a month or so, once a year, so the last time would be 11 months ago – not recent by most standards. Regardless, if the banners bother you, the easiest solution is to register an account and log in with it. Then, once you dismiss the banner, you will not see it again (as long as you remain logged in, which you have to do once a year I think). You can contact the WMF with any issues you have regarding fundraising at WP:DONATE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been asking me to donate for about one month so far, so I don’t understand why they say for the 1st time recently now only instead of a few weeks back. That’s my point. 45.251.33.60 (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I see your point, but as an anonymous IP editor, it does not know if you have been shown the ad before. Do tell them about it if you like, though, as suggested above. Participants here have nothing to do with WMF fundraising. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You can disable banner messages if you have an account. As noted, there is no way to know if an IP user has been shown a message before, as IPs can be used by multiple people. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: FWIW, I emailed WMF donations about this recurring issue, which they say is related to "... browsers have recently changed how they respond to 'cross-site' cookies, and no longer allow us to suppress donation request banners in the same way that [they] have in previous years." They are working on a solution to at least suppress them for those who donate. They do say that dismissing the banner (even as an IP) will hide it for one week (which was news to me). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Number of Covid-19 deaths 8-4-20 is WRONG at COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory#covid19-container. It's 2,353,593. NOT 23,535,930!

How can I tell you the number of Covid-19 deaths on 8-4-20 is WRONG at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territory#covid19-container. It's 2,353,593. NOT 23,535,930! Source: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en (the same source the page sites as its source). Truggleduggle (talk) 22:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Truggleduggle: It looks fine now - perhaps it was already fixed. The article is protected but you can request future edits on the talk page rather than here. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Swati Pashtun Tribe

How to edit properly ? Haider khan10 (talk) 22:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Haider khan10: I think this is the article you are interested in Swati (Pashtun tribe). If you have a specific edit request it would be easier to post it on that article's talk page. If you'd like to learn to edit in general, here's a good place to start. Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Haider khan10 (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Add Content To My Page If It Isn't Already On The Web?

I have been trying since 2007 to complete my Wiki page. The editors keep denying all of my content because they say it is autobiographical or cannot be substantiate on the web. Most of my accomplishments were in the 1980's and 90's.

Someone even volunteered to finish the page after researching every item and was still stopped and eventually had their account closed.

How can I complete my page??? Lonsafko (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lonsafko: First of all, it's neither your article nor your page. The definition of page is anything that can be edited onwiki, such as the Teahouse, where you are currently at. It's Wikipedia's page about you. Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects may already give some advice. verifyability is one of the core principles of Wikipedia. Sources don't need to be online, but they should be independent of the subject and have some reliability. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lonsafko: Your talk page has advice about notability that should be reread. If nothing has changed in the subsequent 13 years you will find this process just as frustrating today as back then. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I think the article being referred to here is Lon Safko. Content was deleted last February becasue it was a copy/paste job from lonsafko's own website, which has a clear 'Copyright' statement on it. We also don't like using a person's own website for biographical details, preferring to use secondary sources which have had some editorial control. (Imagine if we allowed Donald Trump to edit his own page here, and what untruths we might then see!) But we gladly accept published books and magazines etc as sources (even in foreign languages); stuff doesn't have to be online. For suggesting changes to an article about oneself, one should not edit the article directly, but make a formal WP:EDITREQUEST (q.v.), giving the exact suggested text plus supporting references. Another editor will look at it and decide if it's appropriate to include or not. I hope this helps (Wikipedia's policies can be a nightmare to understand when you're only wanting to achieve one simple task!) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata question, request for help

Hi, I think https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q784160 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20243210 are the same person, but there are separate VIAF IDs. I therefore am hesitant to merge the two. Can you direct me to the correct forum for assistance on this? The reason I would like to merge the two is because there is an article in English for Marie Schnür, which I think should have a redirect from Maria Marc. Also I would appreciate confirmation that this is the same person. Thank you! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates:, Not sure if that is the same person. For other queries, since Wikidata is a separate project the Project chat there should be of assistance.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ThatMontrealIP, I'll move my question over there. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Closing the loop ThatMontrealIP. You are correct that these are two different women. Evidently Marie was the first wife of Franz Marc. Maria was his second wife. Thanks again. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How should the name of this bar be written on Wikipedia?

There's a bar here in Richmond (started and owned by the band GWAR) called GWARbar. That's the way the name is spelled outside, on the menus, everywhere. When I search google news for gwarbar, I get this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gwarbar&client=opera&hs=T3i&sxsrf=ALeKk00ZTnMxYAY8njB40Sxk91VvhRF0Ew:1596560363602&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtt9bqgoLrAhWRlXIEHVxDBY0Q_AUoBHoECBUQBg&biw=1091&bih=689

Every single news article types it as GWARbar. So, is that the way it should look in the GWAR article? In loco parenti (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

It was previously suggested that In loco parenti read MOS:TMRULES concerning using capitalization in trademarked names which gives the band, Kiss, and the company, Sony, as two examples. NJZombie (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I like how this guy NJZombie says "It was previously suggested" as if it was some random person that said that and that he wasn't the one who condescendingly told me "you should read these policies" because that's exactly what happened. In loco parenti (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@In loco parenti: This is apparently about the name of the section Gwar#GWARbar. There was a short discussion regarding the capitalization of Gwar 13 years ago at Talk:Gwar/Archive 1#Name. Perhaps there is more evidence one way or the other since then. Discussion regarding the name should be at Talk:Gwar. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't really about capitalizing the name of GWAR/Gwar, it's about the name of the bar that the band started which is called GWARbar. In loco parenti (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Using {{rp}} for references that are only used once

I noticed that the article on Biblical criticism seems to use {{rp}} (with ref name) every time that a page number is referenced (over 200 times), even for references that are only used once. I don't think this is how {{rp}} is meant to be used and it seems unaesthetic. Should it be changed, and if so, what would be the best way of going about it? If I only have time to fix some of them, will that ruin the consistency of style and be worse than doing nothing at all?

What follows is what I've found from looking into this myself, if you know the answer, no need to read it:

The page on {{rp}} states: "This is a relatively uncommon method of citing page numbers, usually used when other methods produce undesirable results. It is used in about one out of every 300 articles at the English Wikipedia... Use this template when you are referring to specific pages within a source which is cited many times in the same article." [emphasis mine]

On the other hand, the page on named references states: "You may optionally provide reference names even when the reference name is not required. This makes later re-use of the sourced reference easier."

On the GA review page for that article, this issue may have been alluded to in a comment which raised an issue about the fact that {{rp}} was being used even when the citation itself already had the page number (internally). This was fixed by removing the page # from (inside) the references (so that only {{rp}} was used). Yaakovaryeh (talk) 04:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yaakovaryeh: I'd suggest opening a discussion at Talk:Biblical criticism and pinging the main contributor to the article by starting your message with {{Ping|Jenhawk777}} (similar to what I did here to ping you). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

About Wikipedia

I make a article but wikipedia can not approved, I follow all the instruction of wikipedia. Sheelatiwari123 (talk) 05:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sheelatiwari123. You didn't mention the name of any article in your post, but perhaps you're referring to Draft:Ganesh Prasad Tiwari. Try talking a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Notability (people) for some general information about the types of people that Wikipedia considers it OK to create an article about. The main problem with the draft is that you've not cited any reliable sources to allow others to verify what you've written and show that the person you're writing about has received the significant coverage necessry to be considered Wikipedia notable. You can find out some general information about how to write article and add citations in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners, but the main reason the draft was declined is that you've haven't provided any citations to reliable sources so that the AfC reviwers can assess the subject's Wikipedia notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How do i get more people to offer an opinion?

I started this account just to add some information about my favorite bar in Richmond. It's called GWARbar, and was started by the band Gwar. It's called that by the owners, it's spelled that way (GWARbar) everywhere inside and outside the bar, and every single news story about it spells it that way. One guy decided that it shouldn't be spelled that way and he seems hell-bent on getting his way. He even just made a change to name it GwarBar, with a capital B, and absolutely nowhere does this bar name have a capital B. Okay, fine, that's one guy, that's his opinion. How do I get more people to offer an opinion on this capitalization issue? In loco parenti (talk) 01:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi In loco parenti. The best place to discuss this would be on the article's talk page which is what you seem to be doing. Since there are only two of you involved in the discussion and the two of you appear to be unable to find some common ground and resolve things, you can try Wikipedia:Third opinion or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Another thing that you could try would be to scroll up to the top of the article's talk page and look to see which WikiProject's are listed; you could then add a Template:Please see to the talk pages of those WikiProjects to let others no about the discussion. Please understand though that the main thing that's going to be taken into account is whether the name is correct per relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not whether it's the way the band spells it or the way it's spelled in news stories about the bar. So, your going to have to establish that the way you think the name should be spelled is in accordance with these policies and guidelines. FWIW, you both seem to have gone past WP:3RR by your continued reverting of each other; content disputes rarely are considered an exemption to the three-revert rule per WP:3RRNO and there are really no winners in an edit war. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly, you may remember me, I recently left you a "blast from the past" thank your on your talk. So I hope you know that I respect your experience and opinion. However, the above aituation has me baffled. I offered a compromise, on the tp for Gwar, but the other person (NJZombie) fears that if we make an exception, we will create a "precedent".

I am a WP conservative AGF type, but I am confused. Would you be willing to look into this? I think GWARbar restaurant is a good compromise section header, conserves the actual "brand name" and lowercase restaurant is MOS compliant. GwarBar does not make sense to me. Anyway, thanks for your consideration, I trust your expertise and your ability to "explain" tricky rules. Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 03:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not really an expert on explaining things, and am not sure what other advice I can give than what I posted above. Besides, there are now others involved in the discussion that's currently taking place on the article talk page; so, perhaps a consensus will be established either way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a sub-category to a main category

Hi,I would like to add a new Sub-Category to an existing Category, but don't know how to do it.

The main Category is "Category:Province of Canada". There is a sub-category, "Electoral districts of Canada East".

I am starting to produce articles on the electoral districts of Canada West, and would like to add a sub-category for those articles, entitled "Electoral districts of Canada West", but I don't know how that is done.

Thanks in advance. I really appreciate the Teahouse. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: You add subcategories to their parent categories the same way you add an article to a category, i.e. by placing a link to it in source code. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Links: Category:Province of Canada, Category:Electoral districts of Canada East, Category:Electoral districts of Canada West

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: You actually add the category to the article, not the other way around. If you have an article "Foo" that you want to place in Category:Electoral districts of Canada West, you edit the article (Foo) with source editor, go to the bottom of the page, and add [[Category:Electoral districts of Canada West]] on a new line. If there are no other categories there already, add an extra blank line above the new category. Once you save it, the article will appear at Category:Electoral districts of Canada West.

To make Category:Electoral districts of Canada West a sub-category of Category:Province of Canada, edit Category:Electoral districts of Canada West with source editor and add [[Category:Province of Canada]] to the bottom of the page (which is empty at the moment). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! done! --Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 07:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Rfc: 'Template:AFC submission|T' is too massive and distracting

Hello, greetings

At outset itself I do apologize my bit stronger statement, is used to express my displeasure strongly enough.

Since I came on Wikipedia, I have been observing many improvement notice hat note templates as examples of 'curator's dilemma' turned into 'curator extremism' rather than purpose of help and encouragement those seem to have been used frequently for expression of bad faith and threatening. If at all in main space then can be understood to an extent, but even in Draft namespace I come across this 'Template:AFC submission|T' which is massive and distracting to content contributors, and template page informs is used on 40,000+ pages .

I am not totally against improvement notice templates but many times those can be saved for limited use. At times I have seen if a curator takes an extra step and help out in writing better an distracting improvement notice can be avoided. Any ways I am not too pleased with size of Template:AFC submission|T

Thanks and best wishes

Bookku (talk) 05:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bookku. A better place for you to discuss any concerns you have about this template's wording or how it's being used is probably Template talk:AFC submission or maybe even at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation. There's not much that can be done about it here at the Teahouse, and because the template is (as you point out) so widely used, even a slight tweaking of it might have a huge ripple effect across the entire project even in some ways that aren't entirely obvious. This is why this template has been protected so that only certain editors can edit it. Also, the Teahouse is not really a good place at all to try and start an WP:RFC since the Teahouse is merely intended to be a place for editors to ask general questions about Wikipedia editing, etc.; it's not really intended to be a place for RFC types of discussions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bookku Sorry to hear you have strong displeasure at seeing these templates. I am not sure how or why you regard the templates as an "expression of bad faith and threatening". They serve many important functions which include extra parameters: 1)- Notification the subject is a draft, 2)- status (streamlined multiple use), 3)-Links for various tools, help tools, space for comments, and as I understand notification for bots. While you may be familiar with navigating Wikipedia many "new editors" are not so the resources provided in the template are intended to help those editors.

As this seems to be important to you maybe you could explore on the template talk page, or other relevant places commonly used for such discussions per Marchjuly, if there is a possibility to collapse certain areas of the template. This might find favor in such a discussion. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

 Administrator note I've removed the RFC template (diff) because there isn't a question, and discussion should first be held as described above (either at WT:AFC or at the template talk). If anyone feels this was grossly inappropriate you are welcome to re-add the RFC notice. Primefac (talk) 13:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of Photo

Hi there,

My name is Kelly McCormack and my wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_McCormack

on June 10th a photo was put up on my page that was taken from my facebook page. It was a photo that my sister took with my phone, and I own the rights to it, and I would like it taken down. The person who posted this photo does not own the rights. As you can see, it was not taken professionally, and very obviously taken with a phone - which was mine. If you would like proof of my identity, I can provide that, but I would like to have this photo removed.

thank you! Kelly 2001:569:7CFC:A000:E1BE:8701:E4D0:4BFA (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy- at Kelly McCormack, Kim Leung claims to have taken that photo at a 2017 event. David notMD (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kelly. I would advise against editing your Wikipedia page because you have a conflict of interest. You will need an edit request on the article talk page stating that you would like to delete the image. You can use the {{request edit}} template to add it to the queue of new requests. I hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Kelly is not asking to add a photo, but rather to delete a photo. The editor who added it in June - Kim Leung - has a previous history of adding a photo to this article without having copyright to that photo. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have edited my comment to accurately answer her question. Interstellarity (talk) 20:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I would also suggest, Kelly, that you register an account and email info-en@wikimedia.org for instructions on establishing that the account as actually that of the subject of the article Kelly McCormack. And of course declare your conflict of interest with regard to that article. I have noted at commons that there is a challenge to the rights on this image. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel I have been told that OTRS verification of identity is only done in cases of the user being blocked. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

That was not my understanding, 331dot, but I could been mistaken. Neither Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects nor Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team explicitly says one way or the other. The latter does say Volunteers may provide more active assistance for defamation and privacy issues and for requests from the subjects of articles. It is hard to know whether thge above request is valid or not without a verified identity. And while the OP could create User:Kelly McCormack get blocked, and then request unblock after communicating with OTRS, that seems a pointless hoop to jumop through. I'm not on the OTRS team, so I am not sure of the proper course to follow. Perhaps Sphilbrick who is on that team could advise. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I've been interested in the issue of confirmation of identity primarily because most such inquiries at OTRS are not solving the right problem, but it has been frustrating to get people on the same page.

This may turn out to be an example of addressing the wrong problem. The person claiming to be Kelly McCormack wants to know how to prove her identity on the assumption that this would aid in the removal of the photo. That man may not be true; it isn't obvious that it will help, and it is harder to do than Kelly might realize. Many people assume, understandably, that they can provide a photocopy of a license or passport but OTRS policy is not to accept such documents, which makes confirmation of identity challenging in some cases. In this particular case, I trust that Kelly agrees the real issue is the removal of the photo, and if that happens she may not care whether anyone confirms her identity or not.

The real issue is whether the person claiming copyright of the photo is accurately asserting copyright. If the answer is no, it doesn't matter whether the person claiming to be Kelly McCormick is Kelly McCormick or someone else.

I used to be an active participant in permissions but I'm less involved because frankly it's exhausting. I note that the photo does not have EXIF data displayed, which is a potential red flag. Not having this information could be (but not necessarily) a sign that the image was extracted from someplace else as opposed to a personal photograph. While it is acceptable to take a photo which has EXIF information, and post a cropped or modified version without the EXIF information, it is not uncommon in such situations that we request that the person claiming to be the copyright holder provide the underlying photo with the EXIF to prove that they are in possession of it. There are many people active in OTRS that have far deeper knowledge of these details than I have, but it might make sense to make that request of the person claiming copyright. If in fact they cropped it from Facebook page they are unlikely to be able to satisfy the request. If in fact they took the photo and an event as they claimed they should be able to provide it. In other words, the claim to copyright might be settled without jumping through the hoops for proof of identity. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Remark addressed to Kelly McCormack: if your sister took a photo using your phone, then she, not you, owns the copyright to the photo, and can legally donate it to Wikipedia. That's how copyright law works. None of us can change that.

Question addressed to Kelly McCormack: do you believe the person using the name "Kim Leung" is your sister? If they aren't, if for instance "Kim Leung" merely copied it from your Facebook page and uploaded it to Wikipedia claiming it as her own work (sadly, that kind of thing often happens), then that picture is not acceptable here and should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom is exactly right and I'm sorry I missed that point. If your sister took the photo then she's the initial copyright holder even though she used your phone. If she transferred the copyright to you, then you are the copyright holder, but you are not the copyright holder simply because it was your phone. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Observation I'm pretty confident that Kelly, the original IP poster here, has a very strong case, as I'm pretty sure the uploader is a serial image copyright violator. I judge that, not only from their Commons Talk Page showing a past history of deletions of dubious images, but also by the three current uploads which DESiegel and I have just challenged them about there. In my view the editor (User:Kim Leung) needs to be indeffed from Commons and all their contributions deleted as quite untrustworthy. After an hour of snooping around the internet, and some reverse image searching, I've definitely found two more crop and upload jobs they've made. None of their uploads have EXIF data and are of such low resolution that I think the evidence is overwhelming they've breached policy over at Wikimedia Commons. But because Wikimedia Commons is a separate project from Wikipedia (with its own administrators and protocols) I cannot take that action myself. Nor can I warn or block a user here for actions they've made elsewhere. Anyone know how to report a user on Commons (rather than simply flag their individual uploads for deletion)? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)    

Nick Moyes I have reported the user at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. We will see hope commons admins follow up. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, DESiegel. Let's hope so. In the meantime, I have found yet another copyright violation - this time a blatant screen grab from this Nicki Minaj YouTube video (2mins 47 sec in, if anyone's curious enough to check it out). I decided not to report the single file at this point in time, but identified it on their user page on Commons for an admin to consider. I believe we should be proactive and remove the image of Kelly McCormack from that article (which I have just done), though any removal may well be reverted if a Commons investigation hasn't yet started into the actions and uploads of the editor in question. Please keep an eye on the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Update: All photographic 'contributions' from this user have now been deleted, as every one was a copyright violation. They have been warned that they will be blocked if this ever happens again. To Kelly McCormack: I do hope we've demonstrated that we listen and that we care. I'm sorry you have been upset and inconvenienced by someone else's illegal actions. May I ask if you might still consider providing an image of yourself that you do actually own, and which could be placed in the article about you? If so, please let us know, and we will guide you through the simple steps in properly releasing a photo. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

A note: Nick Moyes other Admins (Including informing the "IP" in case the person returns). Hello, I just saw where Nick stated " though any removal may well be reverted if a Commons investigation hasn't yet started...". Not being an Admin I am not privy to all the workings of your authority but I am somewhat familiar with policy. An action somewhere else (like Commons) does not matter here. Reporting clear violations there is a courtesy. If an image is removed because of likely of highly probable copyright issues, especially as an Admin, and more especially as an Admin involved in an active discussion where the validity of the rights of the editor using the image is contested, and removal (we can call it temporary), is for the protection of Wikipedia as well as the claimed owner. There would be no valid contest to such a removal, we can call it a courtesy removal pending resolution. Reversing such a removal could be an enforceable violation. Considering:

• 1)- An image was being used and the use (copyright) is being contested as a "Misuse of Photo" by someone claiming to be the subject. The fact that the claimed owner did not, or possibly even now, in-fact legally own the copyright, is of a lessor importance,
• 2)- There was an ongoing discussion where an editor has claimed to own the copyright, by using the image and the release, not by being involved here,
• 3)- There is enough evidence that the ownership of the editor using the image is questionable (now confirmed) especially lacking the EXIF information,
• 4)- There was consensus (more than one editor) of issues that would allow the image removal pending resolution. This could be done by any editor and a reversal with a warning should it be reverted. A possible block could result if an edit war is attempted when the removing editor happens to be an Admin. In my opinion this is where an Admin can make regular edits and usurp Admin authority if necessary, whereas I (or an other non-Admin editors) would have to request Admin assistance. Please correct me or give opinions if Admins here feel differently about this.

If an editor using an image cannot provide the evidence (especially when requested), then a request to the person claiming ownership can be requested. It is absolutely correct that the person that took the picture owns the copyright, at least by US copyright law. Exceptions would be for hire (requiring a contract) or an arguable defense if the subject and camera owner sets a timer and simply gets someone to hold the camera as a portable human stand.

Subject ownership issue could simply be solved by the sister transferring ownership or selling the picture to the subject for a penny, and providing an affidavit (notarized or multiple witnessed depending on state law) that the subject became the lawful owner. A copy of this ownership transfer, and an uploaded copy of the image with the EXIF information, should more than suffice to prove ownership beyond a reasonable doubt without going the route of personal identification.

However, that is an after-the-fact solution to actions intended to protect the subject, Wikipedia, and the WMF. It regards policy with legal considerations. I applaud Nick for taking proactive steps that are also inline with "Dealing with copyright violations" (third paragraph), as well as the in-depth edit summary. Any editor could do this but policy specifically states Administrators may at their discretion unilaterally revision delete copyrighted content. I am not sure what the "revision" part of delete entails but "deletion" is clear. It is better to remove material or images as a prevention, especially on an informal personal request and when there are likely issues, than to allow suspected copyvios to exist. This is my opinion based on policy and I welcome opinions concerning this. -- Otr500 (talk) 15:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Significant Coverage Issue?

What are some suggestions on other sources to use? The ones I chose were published, reliable and secondary sources independent of the subject. Please advise. Anything helps. Thanks much.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Billingsleymusic (talk) 23:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Billingsleymusic Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that you are attempting to write about yourself- this is not usually a good idea. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. People naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view.

In order to merit an article, you must show that you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician, with significant coverage in independent reliable sources completely unconnected with you and that have chosen on their own to write about you in depth. One is an interview with you, which does not establish notability. The rest only confirm certain pieces of information and do not have in depth coverage of you by someone who chose on their own to give it. In order for you to succeed in writing a Wikipedia article about yourself, you need to forget everything you know about yourself and only write based on the content of independent sources. Most people have great difficulty doing that. If you haven't already, please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Billingsleymusic: You may wish to read WP:NMUSIC and WP:NBIO to understand the criteria needed for an article to be accepted here. If you are genuinely a 'notable' person, as defined by Wikipedia, we'll give you a big hug and help you in every way we can. If you're here to promote yourself and your business, you can be sure you won't get far. Finding good reliable sources are the key to having an article accepted here. Please act on the guidance offered at this page. Regards, 00:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Billingsleymusic, and welcome to the Teahouse. The thing to realise is that, in an article about you, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that you say or want to say, whether you have published it directly, said it in an interview, or provided it in a press release. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with you, and have not been prompted or fed information by you or your associates, have chosen to publish about you. --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Auto confirmed user

How to become auto confirmed user on Wikipedia? CGIIITL (talk) 08:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

CGIIITL Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are autoconfirmed when your account is four days old and has 10 edits or more. You might want spend some time in those four days learning more about Wikipedia by using the new user tutorial. I will add that it is possible to submit an article draft before that using Articles for Creation(which is really a good idea even once you are autoconfirmed) 331dot (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CGIIITL. While I agree with what 331dot said, I would also point out that new editors who try to create an article straight away (even by AFC) often have a frustrating and disappointing time. I would advise any new editor to spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they even try it. (We have thousands and thousands of existing articles which would benefit from some work!). When you think you understand enough about notability to try, I suggest reading your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How to upload an image to an existing article. I am a new user. NOT auto confirmed yet, but i already uploaded to wikimedia successfully.

Prof C V Rao final.
Can you genuinely assert that you took this image?

How to upload an image to an existing article. I am a new user My account is NOT auto confirmed yet, but i already uploaded to wikimedia successfully. However, i do NOT want to wait for 4 days and 10 posts and i want the image to be uploaded immediately right now to this below link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chellapilla_Venkata_Rao In the above link i want to incorporate the below image which i successfully uploaded to wikimedia. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prof_C_V_Rao_final.jpg I would appreciate if anyone can do this for me. Thechellapillas (talk) 23:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thechellapillas. To be brutally frank with you, I do not believe the photo you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons of the 61-year old person who died in 1971 genuinely belongs to you. If it does, I would have expected to see a larger file size from a scanned image. I think this is a cropped image from another photo taken by somebody other than you, so I am not going to answer your question until you can reassure me that it is actually your own. Where did you get it from? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Given your User name and the name of the person in the photograph, it is possible that you are a relative. That, however, does not make you the holder of the copyright to the photograph, which belongs to the photographer. David notMD (talk) 00:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick/David. Yes indeed this is a photo graph taken from an original photograph of our family album. The original photograph dates back to 1950s when it was originally taken. As rightly said, i am relative (grandson C.Maharaj Saran) of Prof. C Venkat Rao, and on observing a Wikipedia page about my grandfather, i have informed it to my father. Then my father Prof. C Gopal has pulled out the family album and shared this picture through whatsapp. I have the original picture received (before cropping) as well , if it is of any help ! And as i mentioned earlier, this photograph is a family photograph clicked decades back and is the only available source of information about my late grandfather which i could upload, as nothing else is available on internet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechellapillas (talk • contribs) 01:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding the file to the article is fairly easy to do; however, there are other issues which you should resolve first before you try and edit the article again.

The first has to do with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since you're claiming that the article is about your grandfather, you're going to be considered to have a conflict of interest with respect to anything written about him on Wikipedia. Please carefully read through the conflict of interest page as well as Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide for more reference, or look at the "welcome-coi" template I added to your user talk page. You need to make sure that your edits are in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

The next thing has to do with the copyright status of the photo you uploaded. Generally, the person taking a photo, not the subject of the photo, is considered to be the copyright holder. So, unless you actually took this photo yourself, it's probably not going to be considered your "own work". The way you've described the photo, however, makes it seem like it possibly was taken by a family member. If that was the case and the photo was simple handed down from one generation to another until it finally got to you, then it's possible that the photo could be considered a case of c:Template:PD-heirs. You probably should ask about this at c:COM:VPC to make sure and you're probably going to need to be fairly certain as to who took the original photo. Another thing you could try would be to ask your father to send a WP:CONSENT email to WP:Contact OTRS explaining where the photo came from and why he believes he is the copyright holder. If everything checks out, an OTRS volunteer will verify the license and then you can add the file to the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Team Wikipedia/MarchJuly It was unfortunately that i ventured to do something on wikipedia since we found the page was about my grand father ! The amount of correspondence, clauses and conditions which are there are really surprising ! Guess genuine people will always have to prove themselves, that is the nature of the present day world !! We don't even know which member of family took the photograph in 1950s. All we know is it is in our album, and after 70 years, we thought it found a place.!! Let us leave this here. please go ahead and tell admin to just delete the photograph i uploaded. Thanks to all the volunteers for their time on this matter Thechellapillas (talk) 15:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Updated website?

I thought Wikipedia is updated and has everything but come on, it doesn't even have an article about Simp (slang). Can someone create as it has been used mostly this generation and become prominent with many reliable sources available. 176.215.144.107 (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, and generally does not have articles on words. Perhaps you want Wiktionary's entry for "simp" ? Maproom (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh really? the Karen (slang) has its own article as it has the same amount of sources as Simp does. 176.215.144.107 (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If you think that an article should be created about this subject, then you can get the ball rolling by creating a draft and then submitting it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. If sufficient reliable sources exist and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary isn't considered an issue, then the draft should have a good chance of being accepted. As for Karen (pejorative), see WP:OTHERSTUFF as to why one article existing automatically means other similar articles should also exist is not generally a good reason for creating those other articles. The "Karen" article actually was discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen (slang) with clear support that it should have an article about it; so, if you think an article about "Simp" could survive a similar deletion discussion, then the draft you submit should have no problem being accepted by an AFC reviewer. If you're not sure how to create a draft, then perhaps someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture or some other relevant WikiProject would be willing to work together with you on it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

AFAICT, this should simply be a redirect to Simpleton. Not sure exactly what the title should be (whether (slang) is the right disambiguator). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

teach me how to edit

Can you teach me how to edit? I am new to Wikipedia. Kemah2020 (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kemah2020: As Timtempleton said you can use that link. I just give you two little advice: When your edit is almost done, don't forget to sign it with ~ ~ ~ ~ but don't use spaces between them. Also, to reply to a user, use {re|username} (of course with two accolades in each side)Aminabzz (talk) 16:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kemah2020: Here's a good place to start. Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Willie K: My edit was not accepted (just found out)

In Willie K's biography, 2 years (1991-1992) were not included in the original text. These are the 2 years I worked with Willie making his two most famous CDs. Everything is completely verifiable: Awards, Hit Songs etc... Why it was omitted is a mystery to me so I added it. The Wikipedia turned down the edit??? How can I proceed? Here is the text I submitted: In 1991 and 1992, Willie came to Honolulu from Lahaina, Maui, playing in Waikiki at Keone's, Lewer Street with packed audiences. KDE Records (Kapena label) produced Willie's first two albums: "Kahaiali‘i" and "Here is my Heart", both recorded at Rendez-Vous Recording, Honolulu. His manager was Ken Thompson (KT) and Music co-Arranger / Producer / Engineer / Musician was Pierre Grill. The first album received 12 Na Hoku Hano Hano Awards and every song became a hit that are still Willie's biggest legacy. "Good Morning", "Katchi Katchi Music Makawao", "You Ku‘uipo","North Shore Reggae Blues", "My Molokai Woman", "Ho‘okipa Surf Song", "Honey Girl". Percussionist Tony Flores contributed greatly to the lively sound of those recordings and performed with Willie during that year. The second album "Here is my Heart" included: "I Will Dance For You", "Appleberry Hill", "Here is My Heart", "Koi", "Waterfall", "Waiulu", "Love and Desire". All those were later re-released in new CDs. “O Holy Night” was also recorded at Rendez-Vous Recording with Pierre Grill. PierregrillHI (talk) 09:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, PierregrillHI. Your edit was removed as you gave no references to enable anyone to verify the details. Thats the reason -plain and simple. The reverting editor even left a message on your own talk page to explain. You may re-insert it with a citation or two. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@PierregrillHI: That would be User talk:PierregrillHI#June 2020. There are several links there to relevant details. You might also see WP:ERB for how to insert the required reference(s). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

User page review request

I submitted my user page (in sandbox) for review back in May and I wanted to find out, if I am in the queue and if so how long will the process be for review and approval to post on wikipedia?

Thank you, Rfolk7X Rfolk7X (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Your draft User:Rfolk7X/sandbox has not been submitted for review? You need to click the "submit" button. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I took a quick look at Draft:7X Energy, Rfolk7X.

One possible issue is that a number of the currently cited sources seem to be based, in significant degree, on statements by the company 7X Energy or its officials. Such statements are, of course, not independent and stories largely based on such statements may not count as independent either. Evidence of significant investigation and analysis by the publication, even if a company statement is used as a starting point will generally render such a report independent for Wikipedia purposes. Several sources that are independent reliable sources and that each include significant coverage are generally required to satisfy WP:NCORP and have an article about a company.

Secondly, your user name suggests some connection with the company, and the article is largely Fromm the company PoV. What is your connection with the company, if any? Please review our guidelie on conflict of intere4st and our policy on paid editing. Note that a person who edits Wikipedia as part of his or her job responsibility (including as an unpaid intern) is still considered a "paid editor" for purposes of this policy, as is anyone receiving or expecting to receive any financial compensation for editing. SAnyone who fit5s the definition of a "paid editor" must disclose this as described in WP:PAID. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing w/ IPs (i.e. logged out)

This question has been on my mind the last few days. I see a lot of edits from pretty seasoned editors in a logged out state i.e. with their IPs rather than their user names.

Are there some scenarios when editing with IPs is more preferable than editing with user names? I can only think of deliberately wanting to remain anonymous, but, my thinking is an IP would give out more than an user name. Just not able to think of any justification.

PS: This question is not about questioning the option (of editing anonymously in a low friction manner) itself. But, trying to understand the rationale for why someone with an user name would edit using IPs.

Cheers. Ktin (talk) 15:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 15:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: Each person will have their own reasons, but one possibility is that a user may be experienced but not have an account or the user may have forgotten to log in. You are correct that an IP address is less private than an account name. RudolfRed (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: People who use shared computers (e.g., at a public library) probably find it easier to not have to log in every time, since they can't (and shouldn't) save their credentials. There used to be a security concern for those behind some corporate/private proxies (not sure if that's still the case). Some people do it for illegitimate reasons, too. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Title of the topic "ISO 29110"

The title of the topic is "ISO 29110", it should be "ISO/IEC 29110". How can I change the title ? Claude Laporte (talk) 18:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Claude Laporte: Hi. If it is 100% uncontroversial, the page can renamed by any user who has an account older than four days, and has more than 9 edits. But in wikipedia terminology, "page renaming" is called as "page moving". So you should be able to see "move" option at the top of the page, if you are accessing wikipedia from a computer. But in 99% cases of the page moves, some other editor objects to the new title. So I would recommend you to go through this requested moves venue. Further details are there. If you still have doubts after going there, please post here. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 19:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How to make a video in your article?

How do you make videos in your article????????

Rishav134278 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishav134278 (talk • contribs) 2020-08-05T16:42:47 (UTC)

Hello, Rishav134278, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that your question means "how do you upload a video and add it to an article?" The answer is that, just like any other media, you start by making sure that the copyright of the video is suitable for use on Wikipedia (most videos you find on the internet are not), and then you upload it to Wikimedia Commons using the Upload wizard. If you really mean "make" the video, then I'm afraid that Wikipedia can't help you: you'll need to use some external software. Also please have a look at image use policy: videos are not always appropriate for Wikipedia articles. --ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Rishav134278 If this is about your sandbox, please note that we already have an article about Milky Way. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Rishav13478 has since deleted Sandbox on Milky Way Galaxy and started one on a computer game. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How to retrieve an account login to submit a draft?

Hello, I am working on a wiki for my company and would like to submit the draft to Wikipedia. However, it seems like the previous person who was working on the draft before me (no longer at the company) has already made an account and I would like to see how I can get into that account. I don't know the password or username but it seems like the username was under the company name. Any suggestions? 135.180.65.116 (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You cannot access an account created by someone else, you will need to create your own account for your own use, and you cannot grant anyone else access to it.

A "wiki" is a type of website, not an individual page on a website. You are working on a Wikipedia article. You should use Articles for Creation to submit the draft for review by an independent editor, but before you do, you must review and formally comply with the paid editing policy(this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory); you should also review conflict of interest 331dot (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. An account is for one unique person and one person only. You cannot use an account created by someone else. Accounts consisting of a company name are against policy and will be blocked if discovered. You need to open a new account and immediately make the mandatory Paid editing disclosure. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If that person created a draft, then it should exist and be available to you to edit. Try searching on Draft:Name of your company. However, if the content was on that editor's User page (a common beginner's error) or in their Sandbox, it may be harder to retrieve. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How to make a colorful and fun signature

I would like to know how to make my signature colorful, beautiful, and fun. I don't know how to do it. I know some basic HTML, CSS, and JavaScript, in case I need to know it. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 22:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: You've only been editing 12 days, and have spent far too much time posting on other people's talk pages, and not really adding much yet to the encyclopaedia. Why not wait to make fancy signatures until such time as people think you're genuinely here to make a difference? I've been here 10 years, and still haven't got around to showing off with a clever signature. But see WP:CUSTOMSIG if you really feel you must. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Nick Moyes. Yeah, I am going to start improving articles, which is what a Wikipedian should do. Sorry, and thanks. Friend505 (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Makes one think: Working on 11 years and no fancy signature. I might have to start thinking about it as I am sure at least some might think I am trying to make a difference. Maybe I will set 50,000 edits as a goal to get one. At my present rate that would be 2065 and I can schedule it for a 108 year birthday gift. -- Otr500 (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

when is the event taking place

 Sobayi (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sobayi: Welcome to Wikipedia. Are you looking for a Wikipedia event? Which one? We can't help you with non-Wikipedia stuff. RudolfRed (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How to write in wikepidwia

 Asaju shalom great (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Asaju shalom great: I have no idea how to write in wikepidwia. But if you'd like to write in Wikipedia instead please see WP:YFA. --CiaPan (talk) 20:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Asaju shalom great: Welcome to Wikipedia. Check out the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. RudolfRed (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The wiki as being quick has surpassed me

Where is the 5 minutes guide to successfully start a page? Hi years ago I successfully started some pages writing a couple of sentences. Now it seems overwhealmly complicated and I get lost in pages of info about how to write. Drafted two articele and both just deleted. An hour of wasted time? Where is the 5 minutes dummies section to get started. How to get into a dialog with whom canclede the articles etc? Thorsenrune (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

As you do not have any deleted edits, please, clarify which articles you think have been deleted. Ruslik_Zero 18:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thorsenrune. The best overview of how to write an article is Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The draft article Draft:Fondazione Don Carlo Gnocchi has not been deleted. It has been declined since it is unreferenced. You can add proper references and submit it again. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

There is evidence of only one of your drafts being Declined. Were you not signed in while working on a second draft? David notMD (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thorsenrune. A five-minute guide to creating an article is like a five-minute guide to running a marathon, or a five-minute guide to performing a violin concerto. Years ago, Wikipedia used to accept any old scrap that somebody wanted to write; now we are more concerned with verifying that when people add to our six million articles (thousands of which are seriously substandard) they add things that will actually improve Wikipedia. This is extremely difficult for a inexperienced editor, and often they will waste many more hours than one laboriously creating an article about a subject which fails Wikipedia's criteria for notability. My recommendation is always to spend a few weeks or months improving some existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they try it; and then to study your first article and start by finding the reliable independent sources, because if the sources don't exist, then any and all work that they put into their article will be wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hatnotes

Hello. I am definitely not a new user, but hatnotes do confuse me, a lot. I recently moved Omphaloskepsis to Navel gazing after closing a move discussion. Could someone please add a hatnote to Navel gazing stating something along the lines "for the fetish, see Navel fetishism", or "for paraphilia about navels, see Navel fetishism", I guess you got the idea lol. Thanks a lot in advance, —usernamekiran (talk) 19:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, usernamekiran, and welcome to the Teahouse. I added a hatnote to Navel gazing using {{for}}. {{about}} is also often used to create hatnotes. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot D. It is very much appreciated. See you around :) —usernamekiran (talk) 21:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Footnotes

Hi Teahouse. I'm trying to add a footnote.

In here (ie in the Teahouse) the markup , displays the footnote, but in my sandbox it doesn't. It shows the [note 1] superscript, but not the footnote text.

They're exactly the same, I copied and pasted. Utterly mystified. Can anyone throw any light on the subject?

Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

References

You haven't saved anything to your sandbox since 1 March. If you save the version which is causing you problems, we can look at it. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David Biddulph. It's true I'm very out of practice. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If you don't have a {{reflist|group=note}} you won't see the ref txt, but will instead see an error message, as we had here in the Teahouse until another editor's recent edit; look back at this version. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

In any case, Maryanne Cunningham using {{#tag:ref|<content>}} is not the usual way to create a footnote. Using a pair of <ref>...</ref> tags is much more common. Also, unless you have at least two different kinds of footnotes, the group parameter is unneeded. Most articles have only source footnotes. Some also use informational notes, or other kinds, and then specifying the group can be useful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

See Referencing for Beginners and Help:footnote for more information. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure why but I think I have seen less experienced editors do that before. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It will work, the #tag parser function can be used to invoke any HTML tag or specialized Wikipedia tag using HTML-format, such as <ref>. It is mostly used inside templates where the usual syntax will not work, or where the tag properties are to be supplied as parameters. I suspect some advice page or other uses it and is being copied, but the most common advice pages on this topic, WP:REFB, Help:footnote, and WP:CITE do not advise this method. If you meant groups, then Help:footnote does explain how to use them, for completeness, but most articles have no need or reason to use them. Some do. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks DESiegel. Actually, I am using both informational notes and citation references (the latter are easy, and behave themselves, or maybe I've just used them more). I copied the {{#tag:ref|<content>}} from another page, and it appears somewhere in Referencing for beginners. (But there's so much in Referencing for Beginners it's hard to know what's usual and what isn't). Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

In that case, Maryanne Cunningham, I would advise reading Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: groups, where it suggests using <ref group=groupname>Content</ref> for non-citation footnotes, but points out that if these notes are to be displayed, code such as {{reflist|group=groupname}} must be placed in an appropriate section, usually a different one from the section where the main {{reflist}} or <references/> tag is placed. Such a section might be titled "Notes" or perhaps "Informational notes", or some other suitable title might be used. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Asking for opinion about the title of a new article

Hi, I just created the article Verraco of the bridge, Salamanca, translating it from the Spanish Wikipedia. But now I'm thinking that the correct title should be: Verraco of the bridge (Salamanca), as in the Spanish version. I'm planning to move the page to that name, but I was hoping to get a second opinion or confirmation that this is right from a experienced editor here.

By the way, I'm not sure if these types of questions are appropriate for the Teahouse or if I should be asking in the Help desk.

Thanks again! Alan Islas (talk) 13:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, if there is only one "Verraco of the bridge" why would you need the added disambiguation? -- Otr500 (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Otr500, thanks for your reply. That is a good point. I think I was just following the title of the Spanish version, without questioning the reason, as you did.

It is true that including the name of the city where this statue is located does help understand what this is. The word "verraco" is not common in Spanish either. However, context is explained in the lead and article itself, so I guess it doesn't matter that the title may sound a bit cryptic for some readers, as long as there is not another one. I think I'll move the page to simply "Verraco of the bridge". --Alan Islas (talk) 23:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Dublin Zoo wiki Page

Corrected a typo where a hippo had choked upon having caught a ball. The page says a "call", when I corrected this it was then removed and deemed unconstructive. Furthermore I corrected a typo wherein it was said of the lions that "these spread in 1857". I corrected this to "these bred in 1857" as 'spread' makes no sense. This was also removed and deemed unconstructive.

Both of these corrections are in fact construction and I see no reason why they would've been flagged! 78.18.231.134 (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Corrected them again, hopefully they aren't reversed this time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.18.231.134 (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

This seems like a good edit to me. @TheSunIsAStar147147:, what's your reasoning for reverting it? dibbydib 00:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

it was a mistake. i initially thought it was bad, but i was wrong. sometimes I mistake-revert. apologies for that TheSunIsAStar147147 (talk) 00:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding a cover for a music album

I know this isn't wikimedia but I wanted to upload an album cover. Can anyone explain it to me in details. And giving me the wikitext will also be needed IDCWII (talk) 04:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi IDCWII. Can you provide the name of the article to which you want to add the cover art? Most album cover art is considered to be protected by copyright which makes it quite tricky to use when it comes to Wikipedia articles because it's considered to be non-free content. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy generally allows non-free album cover to be uploaded per item 1 of WP:NFCI, but this is generally only when the album cover is going to be used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox or at the top of a stand-alone article about the album in questions. Using the file in other articles or in other ways is very hard to justify and therefore almost never allowed as explained here. So, if you can provide the name of the article where you want to use the album cover, it would be a bit easier for someone to try and assess whether that would be OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How to delete redirect from my sandbox?

I created a page in my sandbox, eventually redirected on mainspace. Now, how to delete sandbox page and that redirect?? ❯❯❯Praveg ^A=9.8 03:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pravega. You should be able to just remove the redirect from the sandbox, by just clicking "Edit" and then blanking the page. You can also add {{db-author}} to the sandbox if you want the page deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pravega: WP:RTOA should help you, but instead of altering the redirect link, you simpy blank the page. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How to create a new language Wikipedia?

I want to create a new language Wikipedia. How do I do it? Science Wiki Guy (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC) Science Wiki Guy (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Science Wiki Guy. See meta:Language committee/Handbook (requesters). You didn't name the language. See meta:Requests for new languages#Wikipedia for existing requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Telugu Language Science Wiki Guy (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: The Telugu Wikipedia already exists at te.wikipedia.org. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong file uploaded by mistake

Hi! I just got to know I had uploaded wrong file on "Wikimedia Commons" which were used in 2 different subjects on Wikipedia. I have deleted them from from Wikipedia where they were used, but i am not aware how to delete it from Wikimedia commons. I had saved the image file only for reference as i had to upload similar image file to make a topic better ( Randomly selected from community portal) Pls guide me how to delete the image file from Wikimedia commons. ( I need to do that on urgent basis because the uploaded file(by mistake) might be a copyright issue. Thanks in advance. Shekhar in (talk) 07:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shekhar in. If you just uploaded the file to Commons, then you can reuquest that it be speedily deleted per c:COM:CSD#G7. If more than seven days have passed since you uploaded the file, however, then you will need to request the the file be deleted per c:COM:DR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:46, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, but i'm still not sure where to make that request. I've requested the deletion in the edit section of the file. Is this what was required or I need to make that request somewhere else? Pls guide. Thanks again for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekhar in (talk • contribs) 08:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Shekhar in: You may just copy and past the following in the edit section: {{SD|G7}}. If you give us the link to the image, we can also check if you did it right. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @ Ganbaruby I did it write & its deleted . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekhar in (talk • contribs) 10:05, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Music

Can a page of ALL heavy metal bands with pictures be created titled Heavy Metal Bands ? Ddemod (talk) 01:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ddemod. It's not clear what you're asking? Do you want to create an article called "Heavy Metal Bands" ? There already exists articles titled List of heavy metal bands and Heavy metal music. For reference, Heavy metal bands redirects to the former, while Heavy metal band redirects to the latter; so, I'm not sure any new articles about this are needed.

Does your question have to do with adding images to an exisitng Wikipedia article? If that's the case, then whether it's OK to do so will first depend on the copyright licensing of the files you want to add and then depend on whether a WP:CONSENSUS has been previously established regarding image use in the article. Have you tried discussing your idea on the talk page of the article to which you want to add these images? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Another point, Ddemod, is that Wikipedia rarely has lists of "all" anythings. Nearly all list articles are of items which meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Most heavy metal bands in the world (like most bands of any type, most artists, most companies etc) do not meet these criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 10:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Question from Boutitboi

having trouble getting Wikipedia page approval i real your message how can i get your assistance sir? Boutitboi (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Boutitboi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure I understand your question. If you're wondering why your draft at User:Boutitboi/sandbox was not accepted, it's because the subject doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability policy for people. Because this is a biography of a living person, you'll need to attribute all infromation to reliable sources. On a separate note, your username makes me suspect that you may be closely related to the subject. Please read WP:COI and make sure to disclose any relationship and keep in mind that articles must be written in a neutral point of view - that is, not being written in an overly promotional manner. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC) i was wondering can you help me edit the Wikipedia page that i'm having problems with, how much do you charge for your assistance with getting this Wikipedia approved???

Hello, Boutitboi. This is a volunteer project. While there are people who will take your money for editing Wikipedia, they are either ignorant or dishonest, and I advise you to avoid them. The fact that you are willing to pay somebody to edit Benjamin Boi (I presume that is the article you are talking about?) suggests that you are here not to build an encyclopaedia, but for promotion, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. The article is likely to be deleted because it is a copyright violation. --ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Editor now blocked indefinitely for promotion and misuse of talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

From draft to live

When will my page move from the draft section to a live page, visible to all?

My page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praveen_Kenneth Tassie 244 (talk) 05:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tassie 244: the draft hasn't been submitted for review yet. I have added the submit button for you. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC):@Victor Schmidt mobil:

Thank you for this. Could you even review the article too? Tassie 244 (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tassie 244: It will be reviewed by a new page reviewer in due course, please be patient. As noted in the submission template, there are over 3,000 drafts awaiting review. Efforts to "jump the line" don't usually succeed. Do you have a particular need for an urgent disposition of the draft? 331dot (talk) 08:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add images in a page

 Champion's BOSS (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add image in page Champion's BOSS (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Champion's BOSS, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be much easier to help you if you told us which article you are wishing to add an image to, and (more importantly) where the image comes from. If the image is already in Wikimedia Commons, it is easy; if it is an image that you took yourself, it is nearly as easy - you just have to upload it first; if it's an image you found somewhere on the internet, it is more difficult, and may be impossible. Uploading images has the full story, but if you told us about the image we might be able to advise you. --ColinFine (talk) 14:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate articles, what to do?

I've come across two articles which are virtually identical, created by the same user: Lilienthal Large Biplane Glider and Lilienthal Large Biplane. It seems that both were created in Feb 2020, with one being accepted straight away, while the other went into drafts and was only published months later. A week ago I tagged both articles as dupes, and queried the whole thing with the creating editor, but have had no response. There's some work to be done on the article(s), but I don't know which one to edit, as I don't know which one will be kept (I'm assuming not both?). Unsure as to how to proceed — any guidance appreciated! TIA, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The final title should be the most common name for this biplane found in the literature. The second article will just be redirected to the this final title. Ruslik_Zero 19:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I have done the redirection to Lilienthal Large Biplane, after making sure that all relevant info and references were copied, and the copying properly attributed (most of the articles were already exact or near-exact duplicates). If there is a later consensus that the title should include "glider", a move request can easily switch the two names. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, @DESiegel: I'll leave a note to that effect on the creator's talk page, in case they're wondering. Presumably the dupe tag can also now be removed? Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, DoubleGrazing. I have now removed the tag about duplication from the article. I'll leave you to discuss with the creator, since you have interacted with that editor before. I did leave notes on both talk pages, and in the edit history. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @DESiegel: I wasn't trying to nudge you to do it (remove the tag), I genuinely meant to do it myself, but forgot. However, now that you've done it, I don't need to. :) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Endorsements

Can someone please provide me with all the information needed for political endorsements. For something such as a Congressional race, there is not as much of secondary coverage for an endorsement. If Twitter is sourced can the tag {{Primary source incline}} be used? Does the criteria for a Twitter endorsement differ in regards to the Presidential campaigns vs. a Congressional Race? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pennsylvania2 and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't, as far as i know, have a specific guideline on political endorsements. But I would,say6 they should not be mentioned in any article unless they have been discussed in reliable secondary sources. I could post on my social media that I endorse this candidate or that one, but mentioning that in a candidate or campaign article would obviously be undue weight. Even if a notable person makes such a statement on social media, if no independent secondary source reports it, I think it is still undue weight to mention it. Even with a secondary source, there can be consideration of whether it is appropriate to include, and it should not be automatic. If that means no endorsements are mentioned inn the article, so be it. WP:NOTNEWS, and Wikipedia's purpose is not to be a catalog of campaign events. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

What if, for example, Kamala Harris sends out a Tweet endorsing someone. She's clearly notable. Would her Tweet not be notable, though?Pennsylvania2 (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

No, Pennsylvania2. What a notable person tweets is not automatically notable, any more than what they had for lunch. Remember that a Wikipedia article should be based close to 100% on what independent people have published about the subject. Apart from uncontroversial factual information like places and dates, Wikipedia isn't interested in what the subject (or anybody else) has said, published, or done, unless somebody independent has talked about it in a reliable organ. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I get an AFC review?

I re-submitted an article for creation (Draft:Centerstone) in early June and am awaiting review. It had been deleted but I worked with another Wiki user to ensure it met all of the guidelines this time. I also added it to some wiki projects, but it is still awaiting review. Any tips are much appreacited! Rlambert327 (talk) 16:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rlambert327, and welcome to the Teahouse. As it says at the bottom of Draft:Centerstone, "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,196 pending submissions waiting for review". I know this can be frustrating, but in the meantime, how about broadening your experience of Wikipedia and adding to its value by improving some of our other six million articles? --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFine : I have made some edits here and there and will continue to do so! I will try to be more patient. ☺Rlambert327 (talk) 16:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you associate yourselves with a lot of criminal activities or is it only the ones you can avoid with such a 'genius' position? Guilt by association does fit aiding criminals

 2600:1011:B14E:CD8F:8DB1:9169:9D76:E2E9 (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Did you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? That is what this page is for. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Previously Deleted Article: Draft:Evan Luthra

I reviewed Draft:Evan Luthra and saw that it had been previously in article space and had been deleted. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Luthra. I declined the draft, and have been asked by User:Fayssaloss to explain the reasons for my decline, and would like the comments of other experienced editors. My primary reason was simply that I seldom accept a draft when there has already been an article but the article has been deleted. The instructions for AFC reviewers include that the reviewer should make a judgment that the article is likely to survive a deletion debate. If there already was a deletion debate, it is likely that another one would be similar to the past one. I see that a comment has been inserted about the past two years, and I have not read the deleted article, but it looks like it is probably more of the same. Should I request that the deleted article be made available for me to compare against? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Robert McClenon. I've just emailed you a copy of the last of the four separate deleted version of this article. (I'm not aware of any other way to give you access). The current draft still seems very promotional, with some references giving the briefest of mentions whilst others, like the Daily Mail, are deprecated, and others still are just interviews. Bearing in mind its history and promotional intent, I might err on the side of declining again. (I haven't gone through every reference, but they all seem much of a muchness). Nick Moyes (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon I would agree with a decline as the draft now stands, but not primarily because of the old AfD. Indeed I wouldn't give that much weight, the main issue was notability, and the ordinary review process already addresses that. Two years can be a significant time and notability can develop during it. I do not that a draft should be automatically or near-automatially declined because of a previous AfD, particularly one as long ago as this. If there are valid sources more recent than the AfD, and if the sourcing is good enough to warrant acceptance if there had not been an AfD, and the isues raised in the AfD are addressed, then I would accept. In a marginal case, the prior AfD should be a point against acceptance, in my view, but only in a marginal case.

The current draft, however, does not seem to have many cites sources which are reliable, independent, and include significant coverage. i would decline on those grounds, if reviewing today. If bettr sources are found and added, and things like the Daily Mail removed, I would be willing to accept. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Nick Moyes - I have reviewed the deleted article, and the draft doesn't add much to the deleted article. Both the draft and the deleted article describe someone who is famous for being famous. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

User:DESiegel - I respectfully disagree that I should not give the deleted article much weight. As you said, the deletion was for (lack of) notability. As an RFC reviewer, I should take into account whether a draft is likely to survive an AFD. This one already did not. My assessment as to whether the draft satisfies notability should be informed by my knowledge of what the community has already decided constitutes notability. They have already been skeptical in the case of Luthra. So I should give the history of a deletion debate considerable weight. You mention the age of the AFD, two years ago. It appears to me that not much has really changed. Also, if there was a previous deletion, I really should consider whether the resubmission is a marginal case. So I respectfully disagree as to how much weight to give to a previous deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Templates

How to get a template for a new article? Sharae Davis (talk) 17:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sharae Davis and welcome to the Teahouse. That depends. There are many different templates, for many different purposes. Many articles do not need or use any templates. What kind of template did you want, and for what purpose? Perhaps the most common template to use in an article as an infobox, but there are many other kinds. Please give more details so we can be of help. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Sharae Davis, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that you don't mean Template the way we use it in Wikipedia: rather, you're looking for an outline for the shape of an article? The trouble is that getting the format of an article right is an insignificant issue beside the much more challenging matter of getting the sources. New editors who plunge straight into the very difficult task of creating a new article before they have spent some weeks or months getting used to how Wikipedia works tend to have a disappointing and frustrating time. Vey often they start writing before looking for sources; and if they cannot find suitable sources, then all the work they may have put in is wasted. Hundreds of articles are deleted every day, many of them by inexperienced editors. I suggest you look at your first article, to get an idea of the scale of the task. --ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I put a manual template into an article? Sharae Davis (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

In Wikipedia Sharae Davis, a template is a special page which can be inserted into another page, often with parameters. It can simply provide a piece of boilerplate, like {{welcome}} or provide complex conditional replacements, like {{cite web}}. If you mean that kind of template it is placed into an article in the source editor by placing its name in double curly brackets ({{ }}), along with any parameters. So if there was a template Template:Example, it could be used by putting {{Example}} into an article (or other page) or perhaps {{Example|Value1|Value2|Value3}} or {{Example|parm1=Value1|parm2=Value2|parm3=Value3}}, depending on the parameters supported by a particular template.

If by a manual template you mean simply a preformatted text skeleton, not using Wikipedia's template transclusion mechanism, one can write that in any test editor one pleases, adn simply paste it in to an article or page in edit mode. We don't are how you get text into an article, it is the final result that matters.

But in either case, to give a really helpful answer, we need to know what the purpose of your template would be, and probably what article or potential article you have in mind. Then we can give much more specific help, which would probably be more useful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh in future please ask followup questions here at the Teahouse by adding to the existing thread, not by starting a fresh thread, unless the previous thread has already been archived. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

User page clearly representing an organisation

I have come across a user page which obviously represents a (seemingly non-profit) organisation, which I am aware is not allowed under the username policy. However, the username does not and instead suggests an individual person. What should be done regarding this? Link is here[5]. Yellowleaf23 (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yellowleaf23: Welcome to the Teahouse and thank you for the report. Among other things, User:Environmentalist101 is a copyright infringement and will be deleted shortly.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Yellowleaf23 I have deleted User:Environmentalist101 as a direct copy of an outside website under G12. If it had not been a copyright infringement, it might well have been speedy deleted as promotional under G11. If neither of those had applied, and it looked like a valid attempt at a Wikipedia article, I might move it to draft space for further development, and informed the creator of what I had done, with a link to WP:USERPAGE and a brief explanation of what a user page should be for. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do you I stop the Mental Disorder article from constantly being re-edited to equate mental disorders with mental illness, when they are not the same thing?

I need to have a discussion about this issue because my changes keep getting reversed and I do not want to get in trouble, but I need this article changed, so please some talk to me about it. Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti Cbinetti (talk) 19:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cbinetti: You have already started a discussion at Talk:Mental_disorder and that is the place to get consenus on your proposed changes. RudolfRed (talk) 19:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

New additions

I want to suggest several additions to Wikipedia. How can I do that?

There were three pioneer women in motor racing journalism in Mexico, the first one was Abril del Río in daily newspaper La Jornada, she still covers amateur sports and car racing. She is the only one lady to have FIA FI accreditations for all Mexican F1 Grand Prix of the second and third era.

The second is the late F1 commentator Patricia Brault, who did so in Imevision TV Network (now TV Azteca). Also with FIA F1 accreditations.

The third one is Rosa Elena Torres (who was the first one to work in a full time basis only in motorsports journalism in Mexico and the most international of all. She was correspondent in Autosport (UK), Motoring News (UK), On Track (US), Auto y Pista (Mexico) and The Paddock Magazine (UK) among other magazines worldwide.

Only Abril and Rosa are still alive.

Also, there's a drag motorcycle driver and car racing driver called Jorge Mendoza.

All were active mainly in the 80s and 90s and there aren't many references about them on-line. However, about Patricia there should be videos in TV Azteca. About all others, there should be references maily in magazines and newspapers.

(Forever Jose (talk) 19:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)) Forever Jose (talk) 19:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Forever Jose, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can suggest them at requested articles, but the truth is that the take-up from there is very low. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, so people work on what they choose. If you want there to be an article on a particular subject, (and you can demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, otherwise it is a waste of everybody's time) your best bet is either to write it your self (possible, but difficult for inexperienced editors) or interest somebody else enough that they do it. One possibility is to ask at appropriate WikiProjects if somebody is interested - you might try WikiProject Motorsport, WikiProject Mexico, or WikiProject Women in Red. If you want to give it a go yourself, start by reading your first article. --ColinFine (talk)

Thank you @ColinFine:

Contributing written thesis for consideration as resource of possible interest to Wikipedia community

Several years ago I published an open-source Master's thesis, which receives consistent interest and downloading. I was wondering if perhaps this freely-available open-source document might be of interest for those who utilize Wikipedia for research. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiknave (talk • contribs)

Hello, Wikiknave, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it is unlikely that your thesis is appropriate for Wikipedia, as Wikipedia does not accept original research. If some of the content of the thesis is suitable for a Wikipedia article, i.e. it is a neutral summary of reliable published sources, but does not make any attempt to advance its own arguments or draw any conclusions, and if it is licensed in a way compatible with Wikipedia (eg CC-BY-SA, that will allow anybody to reuse or alter it for any purpose as long as they attribute it) then you could copy that part of the text into a Wikipedia article; but otherwise no. It is possible that it might be appropriate for Wikibooks - I don't know enough about that project to be sure. --ColinFine (talk) 18:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wikiknave: You didn't say what article(s) it might relate to, or provide a link to it. But if you genuinely feel it might be a resource that could interest editors working on a particular topic (even if they don't use it as a WP:RS), you could always drop a note on that article's talk page and link to it. There's a good chance - at the very least - that your thesis contains some stonking references that could prove useful pointers. From an academic perspective, it's essential that your thesis is your own original research, containing your own opinions and conclusions. But that type of WP:OR is precisely what Wikipedia studiously avoids using as a reference. But it's a kind offer and possibly worth linking to on the relevant page. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The Still Life (film)

Victor Schmidt wrote to me and it took me to here. I've been trying to put my film The Still Life (2007) on IMDB for years. Mr. Schmidt said IMDB is not good enough because user generated. I also included rotten tomatoes and Amazon. The film was released by Warner Bros. It is an EASY find on the internet. Can someone help me get the page up? Rifken (talk) 19:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rifken and welcome to the Teahosue. I see that you have started a draft about The Still Life at User:Rifken/sandbox. At present it is a long way from being an acceptabel Wikipedia article. It is a one-sentence description of the film, plus a cast list. It is supported by a cite tomteh IMDB, plus Rotten Tomatoes. In order for there to be an article about this film, it must be shown to be Notable a term that Wikipedia uses in a special sense. While there are several ways to demonstrate the notability of a film, as described in our guideline on the notability of films, the most usual and desirable is to cite several sources, each of which is reliable, each of which is independent of the film and its cre4ators, and each of which contains significant coverage of the film. Mainstream critical reviews (not trivial mentions, several paragraphs about the film at least) can serve as such sources. So can other discussion of the film in reliable sources. Blogs and fan sites will not help. Neither will the IMDB, or other wikis, or fan fora (because they are user-generated, they are not considered reliable). Amazon and other sites selling copies of the film will not help, because they have a motive to promote the film so they can sell more copies, they are not considered independent. Sources do not need to be online, although it is helpful if they are.

Also, you write of "my film"; if you wrote or produced this film or were at all closely associated with it, you have a conflict of interest. Please read the linked page, and declare your connection with the film as described three, if you have one.

Please remember that many released films, perhaps the majority, are not notable and will never have an article on Wikipedia. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC) @Rifken: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for helpful feedback and suggestions

I have talked with multiple long-time wiki users and some say the article I am working on (Draft:Centerstone) meets all guidelines while others decline it from being published. I have voiced my "conflicts of interest" on my user page and have tried to model this entry after other non-profit organization pages. I've also used multiple sources from external publications to back the information I am providing. I'm told that it contains advertising language, but no one has been able to pinpoint exactly where the problem is. I am looking for any and all helpful feedback so that I can get this approved! Draft:Centerstone Thank you! Rlambert327 (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2020

Hello, Rlambert327 and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know who told you that Draft:Centerstone meets all guidelines (I don't see any such comment on the draft, its talk page, or your user talk page) but I disagree. The tone of the draft is, in my view, quite promotional. Such text as Centerstone has grown through mergers and affiliations to include more than 150 physical locations in six states (Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, and Tennessee) and a nationwide network of telehealth and remote providers and Centerstone formally created its Research Institute in 2008 to further the organization's aim to advance the delivery of mental health care. and others are classic marketing language, and not at all appropriate for a neutral Wikipedia article. The currently cited sources seem to be a mix of local coverage, probably based on company press releases, trivial directory listings (Bloomberg), comments about its mergers that do not discuss its operations, routine coverage of the appointment of an officer of the organization, other tings based on PR, and perhaps 1 or 2 useful sources. There must be several independent and reliable sources, each of which should offer significant coverage. I don't see that at the moment.

Also, when a draft is declined, the reviewer is saying that it is not yet ready, and you have more work to do. If you disagree, reach out to the reviewer or ask here or at the AfC help desk. Otherwise, work on fixing the issues before you resubmit. Resubmitting without making any changes wastes the time of all involved, and tends to annoy reviewers. Remember, you may be paid for this, but the reviewers are volunteers. They are under no obligation to review your work at all. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this feedback, DES. I can address those two points you mentioned, but I don't see how that is any different from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochsner_Health_System which uses news articles and their own website as sources or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia_Healthcare which does the same thing. Rlambert327 (talk) 21:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

other poor quality articles exist is not a good argument. Theroadislong (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Please note, Rlambert327, that both of the article you link two have maintanence tags, adn might be nominated for deletion if they are not improved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Byron Janis's Wikipedia profile omits the name of his first wife, with whom he had his only child

Wife missing from profile 2A01:4C8:485:DB41:8CF:9DE6:38E9:A195 (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Byron Janis TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. It is in there - first wife June Wright (mentioned in the infobox, but no citation); second wife Maria Cooper. I agree that it's unclear who he had the child with. If ever you feel something is missing from an article and you have a reliable source to support it, you are free to either edit the article or leave a message on that particular article's talk page for someone else to check and insert if it's a good source. Thanks for raising your concerns. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)  

Well done for subsequently posting your concerns at the talk page, where I've repeated my answer. Any form of published obituary or biography that you can unearth may well give that information. If you find a source, do please post it there. Thanks again, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help Developing an article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The article in question has been deleted per WP:G11 and the OP has been blocked per WP:SOCK; so, there's unlikley anything further going to be accomplished here at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hello everyone! I hope you're having a good day. I need help from you all to develop my article JD Software. It's a software development group and I really want to write about it for some reason. I just got a {{db-notability-notice}} on the article, and I want you to help me develop it so I can get the notice removed. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you! ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi ThisIsMyWikipediaName111. Are you connected to this company in any way? The reason I'm asking is because I noticed that you've uploaded File:Jdsoftware.png to Wikimedia Commons and are claiming that it's your "own work"? Assuming that is really the company's logo and assuming that it's your own work, then that indicates at least an WP:APPARENTCOI with respect to anything written about this company on Wikipedia. So, if you're connected in some way, then please carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (particularly the part about WP:FCOI).

If you've got no real connection to the company and just want to develop an article about it, then perhaps you'll be able to find someone at WP:SOFTWARE or WP:COMPANIES who might be able to help you do so. The first thing that you or anyone else is going to need to do though is find much better sources to establish the company's Wikipedia notability per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) because the ones currently cited in the article don't even come close to meeting WP:CORPDEPTH and are not even considered reliable sources for Wikipedia's purposes.

Finally, if you're not connected to company and you didn't actually create it's logo, you shouldn't really be claiming the logo as your own work. Only the copyright holder can do that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Marchjuly! Wow, thanks for your quick response! Actually, I am connected to the subject. That means I need to disclose COI right? That's fine to me. And the logo, I've gained permission from the owner to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. I don't really understand about uploading stuff to Commons, that's why I made that mistake. Sorry for that. But anyways, thank you for responding! ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 (talk) 05:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you for clarying your connection. Please follow the instructions in WP:COI#How to disclose a COI. Make sure you comply with WP:PAID if you're being compensated in any way for your edits; undisclosed paid editing is prohibitted by wmf:Terms of Use and those who do and are discovered end up being blocked.

As for the logo file, it's not enough for the copyright holder to say it's OK for you to upload the logo; they have to give their WP:CONSENT to basically allow anyone anywhere in the world to download the file at anytime for any purpose, including commercial and derivative use. Please see c:COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder for more details on how they can do this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:05, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@ThisIsMyWikipediaName111: The sources in this article do not establish how this company meets WP:NCORP.

Created with templates {{ORGCRIT assess table}} and {{ORGCRIT assess}}
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Secondary?	Overall value toward ORGCRIT
https://jdsoftware.fandom.com/wiki/JD_Software_Wiki	Appears to be an Independent Wiki	User-Generated	Startpage of a Wiki.	Tertiary source
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/JD-DOS	Wikimedia Foundation Wiki	User-Generated Wiki	A book with 4 pages.	Actually probbably already tertiary
https://jdsoftware.fandom.com/wiki/Programs	Appaers to be the only page in said wiki	User-Generated	A single word.	Tertiary
http://jdsoftware.rf.gd/index.php/Development_Team	Subjects own website		More about the staff members, not the company	Primary source (subject's website)

To prevent an admin from hitting the delete button, one would have to add sources that are reliable independent of the subject and have some coverage of the subject. If such sources can't be found, its probbably WP:TOOSOON. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for all your help! I really appreciate it, and you know what? The article might actually be too soon to be on Wikipedia. I'm gonna look for more sources, but if I find it impossible, I might delete the page myself, or abandon it. But anyways, I really appreciate all your help! Thank you! ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 (talk) 06:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

​ You cannot delete the article; only an adminstrator can delete a page. Sometimes blanking a page can be done when you created the page and are pretty much the only person to have ever edited it, but I wouldn't suggest you do that here and have reverted your blanking of the page. The article has been tagged for speedy deletion per WP:A7; so, if it's not improved fairly quickly, it's likely going to end up deleted sometime soon.

Now, if you want sincerely want to try and work on improving the article, perhaps you can request that it be draftified instead of being deleted. This will give you time to work on improving the draft and looking for better sources. Then, when you think the draft is ready to become an article, you can submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. You still will need to declare your COI or PAID connection, but it will be OK for you to work on the draft and try to bring it up to article standards. If you think that's something you might want to try, then perhaps one of the administrators who are also Teahouse hosts can drafity the article for you. You can also post a request on the article's talk page, explaining your COI and that you would like the article draftified so that you can continue to work on it.

Finally, the template {{Connected contributor}} should be added to the top of article talk pages, not to articles; so, I moved the one you added to the talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Draft:Sinfonia Latina Map upgrade

Help with pin placement, that shows the various locations this festival has been held.

location Barranquilla Colombia Venues 1./ Teatro amira de la rosa 2 Club Campestre

--Deanna Coakley (talk) 01:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC) Deanna Coakley (talk) 01:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor at Hebrew Wikipedia, wondering where to report.

Hello. There is an IP editor at a certain article the Hebrew Wikipedia page (I can supply links if needed) who is deleting sourced material for reasons to do with their personal opinion (a clear case of WP:OR). I believe they (likely the same person) also did this a while back on the English version on the page (Eastern European Jewry) as well on another Hebrew page, with similar edits, deletions, and inapropriately personal and OR edit notes (I reported them at WP/ANI and I think they were blocked). I understand that because now it is on the Hebrew and not the English site, I cannot report them at WP/ANI. Does anyone know or have a link to the Hebrew Wikipedia equivalent page where they can be reported? Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 00:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC) Skllagyook (talk) 00:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Skllagyook as you point out, there's not much that anyone can do here on English Wikipedia about a problem you're having on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you look at the left-hand side bar of the Teahouse page, you'll see a section called "Languages". Those are links to pages on other language Wikipedias that are similar to the Teahose. If you can find one that's in Hebrew, then clicking on it will probably take you to Hebrew Wikipedia's Teahouse like page. You should be able to ask for assistance there. For reference, the same left-hand side bar language section can be found pretty much on all English Wikipedia pages. Some page may have more languages listed, but clicking on the link should take you to an equivalent page on the other language Wikipedia. One thing about this though is that when discussing things on another language Wikipedia, you're probably going to need to be able to communicate in that particular language. You can try posting in English and you might get a response, but the discussion might primarily take place in the other language. Another thing to remember is that each language Wikipedia has it's own policies and guidelines and its own community. Some of those things might be quite similar to English Wikipedia's way of doing things, but others might be quite different. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Correction: The disruptive IP was also making their edits to the Ashkenazi Jews page, and they actually weren't blocked after I reported them (the page was semi-protected). I have found the link I was given earlier (to the Hebrew Wikipedia's equivalent to the ANI page). (given to me at the below link where I filled the report) :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1038#IP_making_unsourced_and_badly-sourced_edits_to_Ashkenazi_Jews_and_edit_warring,_refusing_to_discuss_in_Talk (and they gave me this link: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/ויקיפדיה:בקשות_ממפעילים)

Anyway, thank you for your response. Skllagyook (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Short hand language

Sorry for being unclear with my first question. Okay I have actually two questions today. 1- what would I have to type to find a list of short hand internet slang that all teens (except me) are using? Example (idk)meaning - I don't know. Does that page exist? Number 2 can I not change my user name without an email address ? I really don't have one. I know it's an inconvenience but I have no personal computer. Thank u . Ddemod (talk) 01:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ddemod. Wikipedia has a general article about slang that contains a section about social media and Internet slang, but Wikipedia isn't really intended to be a type of online dictionary for teenager slang. There are probably lots of websites such as the Urban Dictionary where you'll find some examples of slang; so, you might just need to Google any slang you come across that you're unfamiliar with and see what comes up.

As for your second question, I'm not sure what you're asking, but perhaps you can find the answer you need in Wikipedia:Changing username. I believe a confirmed email address is only needed when you're requesting a "Global user account rename request", but it's not necessarily to make a Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple username change request. In addition, not having a computer doesn't automatically mean you cannot have an email address. You're editing Wikipedia without a computer, and many devices like tablets and smartphones can that can access the Internet can be used for email. Finally, there are also public computers like the ones you might find at a library or an Internet Cafe where you can also access email and lots of free email service that don't seem to require that you own a personal computer to sign up. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Are opinion pieces from journalists of 'deprecated outlet' banned ?

My recent edit to NDTV was reverted because 2 of the 3 citation to the claim was opinion pieces written by journalists of a RW News outlet. Is this justified ? User:श्रीमान २००२ (User talk:श्रीमान २००२) 10:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, श्रीमान २००२. If a source itself has been deprecated, then I would not expect any content from it to be used as a reliable Source on Wikipedia. (A good example here in the UK is that of the WP:DAILYMAIL newspaper where any references used from that newspaper (even to the most innocuous of stories) are being expunged from this encyclopaedia, following a decision not to accept it as reliable source in any way. Opinion pieces from any newspaper always have to be treated with extreme caution because they are, as the name suggests, just opinion of one person, and are often biased or not 'mainstream' and are certainly not presented by that newspaper with full editorial control and oversight. So an opinion piece from a deprecated source is inevitably going to be treated with extreme distrust, and be swiftly removed. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 12:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the reply, I just wanted to confirm that if such opinion pieces are published in reliable newspaper/magazines (as was in my case) will they we considered RS ? User:श्रीमान २००२ (User talk:श्रीमान २००२) 04:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

My tuppenceworth: they would be considered Reliable Sources for the opinions of the writers of the pieces, but not for actual facts about the subjects concerned.

Such an opinion might be admissible in a Wikipedia article if the opinion-piece writer were particularly eminent in, or relevant in relation to, something to do with the Wikipedia article's subject, but since a major purpose of opinion pieces is often to take a contrarian stance and foment discussion (so as to increase the host newspaper's circulation or prominence), occasions when this would actually be useful Wikipedially are probably rare. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.160.95 (talk) 04:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Want to add a school.

Hi, I am quite new here and trying to contribute as far as I can. Well, I am diving directly into the subject. The school where I study is really a nice one, it's quite old and the most renowned school in our area. So it definitely deserves a wikipedia page, so that people can know more. I have created an article in my sandbox, provided all the basic informations and also given the references. I want this to be reviewed. Please tell me how can I?

draft link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mahdee_Mohammed/sandbox

 Mahdee Mohammed (talk) 04:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mahdee Mohammed. You might be misunderstanding what Wikipedia is about. You seem proud of your school so I can understand why you might want to create a Wikipedia article about it; Wikipedia articles, however, are really only intended to be written about the kinds of subject described here. Articles aren't written for subjects or on behalf of subjects, and Wikipedia isn't really interested in what a subject might have to say about itself. Schools can have articles written about them on Wikipedia, but only when they are considered notable per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools. Simply existing is not enough and the school has to have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources to be considered OK to create an article about. Just from looking what you've done so far in your sandbox, I don't think it would be appropriate for your "draft" to be upgraded to an article at this time. If you tried to add this as an article right now, it would likely end up tagged or nominated for deletion fairly quickly. You might want to ask the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools or maybe even Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh about this; perhaps, one of them can give you some more specific advice ways to further improve the draft so that it has a better chance of becoming an article someday. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor on 2019–20 Chelsea F.C. season

User: Ledinhvuchelsea continues to delete perfectly referenced data citing no reason. This user has a history of similar behavior acting as though he was the owner of the page with multiple incidents in the past that led to him being warned and blocked for a period. Looking for administrative help with this. Prawny007 (talk) 06:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Prawny007, Generally the place to ask for admin action is WP:ANI. But since you've reported it, I will deal with it here cus we're not a bureacracy CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Translation of existing article from German into English

I have been tasked with the translation of an existing Wikipedia article from German into English. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handschriftencensus Is there anything different about the process of publishing an article in this case? The sources are in German language, would this present any problem?  Hroberth Dunbar (talk) 08:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hroberth Dunbar: Hello, fellow translator! The process would be exactly the same: the subject still needs to be notable enough for an article to be written (regardless if it exists in other languages), you can still submit through the article wizard for another editor to check, and it still needs to meet the three core content policies (neutral point of view, verifiability, no original research). German sources are not a problem; an English source is not better or worse, but they're weighed equally. The only downside is that it might make it harder for other editors to verify your content if they can't read German. Good luck! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

One more point, Hroberth Dunbar: you say you have been "tasked" with the translatio. Generally the only people who would "task" somebody with translating a Wikipedia article are people who are connected with the subject of the article. If this is the case, they, and hence the person they have given the task to, have a conflict of interest: you need to read about this and make suere you comply. Further, if this is in any way part of your employment (whether actually paid or not), you will classed as a paid editor, and must make the corresponding declaration. --ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine and Ganbaruby, I created a user page which details that I work at the Institute at the University of Marburg which hosts the project. I will submit a paid contribution disclosure with the article. Is there anything else I should know?

Courtesy ping:ColinFine and Ganbaruby on behalf of OP (unformatted/unsigned). Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Info about Draft : Eugènie Jeanne Devolle

My Draft has not been selected even though I have put a reference and I have a tip to do when you go to the reference. Please Review again. Yours sincerely Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: Wikis are not reliable sources because the users generate the content. This includes Wikipedia itself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I have more references now.Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: No, geni.com is not reliable for the same reason; the users submit the content. This disqualifies most social media sites. Please also note that notability is not inherited. Just because someone is a relative of a notable person does not make themselves notable. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Wiki-Nihaal. If you are referring to Draft:Eugènie Jeanne Devolle the ball is firmly in your court. It is quite unacceptable as a new article right now, and needs much, much more work from you, as explained in the rejection notice left by Theroadislong. Which bit of that did you not understand? Please DO NOT resubmit that draft for review until you actually know what needs to go into a new article. Try reading WP:YFA, to start with. Looking at your talk page, you appear to have attempted to create this page with minimal content on three or four past occasions over the last few days, and each has been deleted because they were wholly insufficient as an encyclopaedia page here. There will come a point where, if you keep trying to create this article based on virtually no references and malformed text, you'll be seen as just wasting everyone's time. Take your time - there is no rush. Better to spend weeks or months getting it right than having future page-creation blocked ('salted') for time wasting. (I feel we might be getting close to that point, which would be a real shame) Just remember, you cannot use any 'user-generated' page (like other wikis and genealogical sites) as a reference to prove notability. You need to stop and search for proper books, magazine or journals which go into depth about the person, and appreciate that 'Notability is not inherited'. The parent of a notable person doesn't automatically deserve a page of their own - it's up to you to find in-depth sources which prove they're notable in their own right. Notability doesn't just mean you provide a few links to show when she was born and died, or who her kids were. Please read Wikipedia:Competence is required to appreciate some of the concerns I have over your approach to contributing here. Slow down, and perhaps you should give The Wikipedia Adventure tour a go. There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basics of editing. RegardsNick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: One thing that anyone writing an article about a subject should do is to look for existing articles in the encyclopaedia that demonstrate what a proper article is supposed to look like. For example, in this case, if Eugènie Jeanne Devolle is supposed to be notable as a fashion designer, you might compare your article draft with Coco Chanel. Do you see the differences? Nobody expects you to start out with a complete article like this, of course, but it should at least have the "bones" of an article (sections, at least some prose written in English sentences, references, etc.). This is, of course, after you have resolved the notability issue addressed by others above (i.e., three or more published, reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of her). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I read she was a washerwoman! Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC) I have found only genealogical sites as a reference, I am going to check other non-genealogy websites or leave it alone and go to some other topic Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Is peoplepill a good reference website? Science Wiki Guy (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Wiki-Nihaal, when you are unsure about the reliability of a source, you should first check the list at WP:RSP and if it is not mentioned there, you can perform a search to see if it has been discussed somewhere else. If you can't find that either, you can ask about it at WP:RSN.

In this case, assuming you mean peoplepill.com, its about page says it publishes user-submitted profiles about any person they are familiar with. Crowd-sourced or wiki-style content publisher is not a reliable source (see WP:UGC). Its articles (probably not all) near the bottom (just below the share buttons) say that the content was taken from Wikipedia which is another evidence that it is not a reliable source. Getting back to Wikipedia, I didn't find it with Ctrl+F at WP:RSP. Searching wikipedia showed that it has been discussed or used in other articles, but it does not seem to have its own Wikipedia article (not a good sign). It however has an entry at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/PQR#PeoplePill. Since Wikipedia is not a reliable source, mirror and fork websites that publish content taken from Wikipedia are not reliable either. The website is apparently blacklisted, so the edit filter doesn't even allow editors to mention it, so that would be the end of that. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

My article about York von Heimburg was not accepted

I just translated the article from the German wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_von_Heimburg, where it has been online quite some time. What can I do, that the english version will be accepted too? Thank you for your help, Angela Aschiller1211 (talk) 08:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aschiller1211: The reason that your draft at User:Aschiller1211/sandbox was declined was because the subject doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability policy for people. Just because an article exists in another language does not mean that it should be created on the English Wikipedia. You'll need to add more reliable sources that demonstrate that the subject is notable, and because this is a biography of a living person, you'll need to attribute all infromation to such reliable sources. Also, in your edit summary, you say that the draft was written "on behalf of York von Heimburg". If you are closely related or being paid by von Heimburg to write the article, you'll need to disclose this relationship. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I disclosed in my user space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aschiller1211 that I do work for York von Heimburg as I am PR consultant for the company IDG in Germany. Which additional disclosure do I have to make? Angela

@Aschiller1211: Good start. First, take a look at the conflict of interest guideline and realize that while you are not banned fro writing the article, it is very difficult for you to write in a neutral manner because of your close association. Also see WP:FAMOUS, which is an essay describing why you might not want to have an article written. If you still want to write the article, figure out if the subject meets the notability policy for people. If the person doesn't, then it's best for you to not waste your time editing the draft, as it is likely to be deleted. Then, take your current draft and add reliable sources that demonstrate this notability. Look for independent sources that are not affiliated with the subject, like newspapers or books, and not PR releases or the company's website itself. Attribute all of this information in the article to these reliable sources, making sure to stay as neutral as possible with your tone and word choice. Then, you can submit again! Do not submit before all of these points are addressed, ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Aschiller1211. The formal declaration required is explained at paid editing. Also, remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that von Heimburg says about himself, or that people associated with him have said, whether directly, or as reported in interviews or articles based on press releases. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with him, and not prompted or fed information by him, have chosen to publish about him. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I publish a content from my personal sandbox as a new page

Hello, I have completed drafting a page on a contemporary author in my personal sandbox. I want to publish the same content now. How should I proceed? Please help. I do not want to make any wrong live edits. I have done that mistake once earlier, hence I want to be more careful now. Wikipagebanai (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipagebanai, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to User:Wikipagebanai/sandbox, with a button you can pick to submit it for review. I haven't looked at any of your sources, but it looks to me from their titles as if several of your them are not independent, or not reliable (eg anything with 'blogspot.com' is probably not reliable). Please have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much ColinFine . I have submitted the article for review as per your instruction. Wikipagebanai (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

You have submitted it, Wikipagebanai, but you don't appear to have followed my advice yet about looking at your sources. To be honest, the review is likely to take a long time - until somebody sees it who either speaks Bengali, or is willing to spend time using a translation program to review your sources. I don't think there is anything you can do to speed it up, but you can improve your chances of getting it accepted by looking critically at your sources. Again, I'm just looking at the titles, but it is unlikely that a blog will be regarded a reliable source, and antything from the publishers or that says "Author at ... " are unlikely to be independent. The Worldcat sources appear to be papers by Basak. None of these sources I have mentioned contribute at all to meeting Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Are any of the sources places where people who have no connection with Basak have chosen to write at length about her? If not, then your draft does not establish notability, and any time you or anybody else spend on the draft will be wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, how do I use the service award progress template?

Hi, guys,
I want to display my service award progress using the service award progress template. (I have it on my user page; take a look at the code for it.) However, it's not working. Maybe I haven't given it the right attributes? The instructions say that I need to put in the year, month, date of my registration, and the number of edits that I have made. Please take a look at the template in the link provided. However, my template is malfunctioning. Please take a look at my user page for more information. Thank you. Friend505 22:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: I don't see that you provided |edits=. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Friend505. I think the template you added is working as intended. It might look like it's not working because you've added so many templates to your user page that they they are overlapping and getting in each others way. trying removing all of the templates you added except {{Service award progress}}, click "Show preview" and then see how the template looks. Maybe by stripping away some of the other stuff you can better see if the template is doing what you wanted to do. I did notice, however, that you didn't include the |edits= paramater in the template. Try adding that and see if things look better.

Now some general advice. Userpages can be an important way for us to let others know about our Wikipedia activities and other stuff we might find interesting; however, if we really want other editors to see us as being WP:HERE, then the best way to do that is to focus on actually trying to improve articles. There are over six million articles and pretty much all of them can be improved in someway. Even if all you do is simply try and correct spelling or grammar errors, or try to find citations for articles which aren't very well sourced, you'll being doing quite a lot to help improve Wikipedia. Many expereinced editors don't even bother creating a userpage or only create only a very basic one just for show, but instead focus on trying to find ways to make Wikipedia better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thanks for your help, Marchjuly. (I know I have been repeatedly told to focus on editing articles instead of asking for help and stuff like that; I will start to write and improve articles. I hope you found that I actually made a draft article that was not approved for submission.) However, by "malfunctioning", I mean that it is displaying a negative number. Thanks. Friend505 10:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: It isn't obvious why you describe the template as "malfunctioning". As Marchjuly told you, |edits= is a required parameter for the functioning of Template:Service award progress, but you didn't provide it. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Hi, David Biddulph, I added the number of edits, but on the time progress bar, it still displays a negative number. Could you please take a look? Thanks. Friend505 10:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Hi, David Biddulph,
The other problem is that the edit count displayed in the template isn't changing. I already have 549 edits compared with 537 edits when I added the edit count attribute/parameter, and it displayed as I already made 337 edits in the 800 edits required to get to Novice Editor. However, now, I've got 549 edits (I can see that in my preferences) but it isn't updating to 349. After I post this message, it will probably be 550 edits and the template edit count should be 350 edits. Thank you. Friend505 11:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

You will find discussion about that template at Template talk:Service award progress. Can we please let the Teahouse concentrate on people who are interested in how to improve the encyclopedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks, David Biddulph. Good idea. I was just about to think I should go to the village pump for help on this subject if I cannot get the help I need here, but great idea, the template talk is the best place to ask questions like this about the template. Thanks, and sorry for bothering you again. Friend505 12:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Friend505, the number doesn't update itself; you have to update it every time you want it to reflect your progress accurately. As a new editor, I suggest every 50/100 edits. The negative percentage was discussed at the template's talk page and has now been fixed. Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Oh, thanks, Usedtobecool. However, according to the template documentation, it seems like the number will update itself. It's okay; I will go to the template talk page for further discussion of this issue. Thanks, everyone, for giving me so much help and advice. Thanks! Friend505 12:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Can I change my 'sources' to 'references'?

Can I talk with "Going Batty".....I can relate to that...Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC) Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabet Stacy-Hurley (talk • contribs)

The place to talk to that editor is User talk:GoingBatty. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) --David Biddulph (talk) 12:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Sadas Company description - Feedback request

Hello, I would like to ask some feedbacks for a company page for Sadas written some days ago. I followed the advises received in the previous topics and I want to ask other feedbacks to be sure before the publication. I created a trial page in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Giuseppe_Ardolino/sandbox. I kindly ask support in order to respect Wikipedia best practices. In meanwhile I keeping updating the trial page with new references for each paragraph. Thank you  Giuseppe Ardolino (talk) 13:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions from a beginner:

Hi everyone,

My company wants me to create them a Wikipedia page and in all honesty I'm not sure where to start. I have made ten edits and tomorrow my account will be four days old, does this mean I'll be able to publish live articles? Also, how can I upload company pictures? Lastly, I was simply editing my Sandbox for practice but it wouldn't allow me to save the changes because it deemed them as harmful to the article, why would this be?

I appreciate any help I can get! MattHHM (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello MattHHM, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like your company is local to me here in Derbyshire, England, so perhaps I can advise. Firstly, please tell your bosses that Wikipedia and our volunteers are not here to help them get free promotion for their business, and that they're acting unreasonably if they've set this as a goal for you. Just tell them to build a better website. Read WP:NCORP to ascertain our notability criteria for businesses. If your company cannot meet them, it will stand absolutely no chance here. You should look for independent, in-depth articles or publications which have paid attention to your company. You ignore your own website, social media, PR notices, Marketing Derby eshots and all the rest. Look for national or international coverage in mainstream media or publications. If you can't find any, then tell your bosses you cannot do their bidding. It's as simple as that. Having actually managed to find good sources, you would use them and only them to create a draft page. You would need to follow our obligatory policy on declaring paid writing. See WP:PAID. Forget pictures at this stage. It's meeting notability that counts - the rest is fluff that can be added later. You would start with a draft using our wizard at Articles for Creation and only submit it for review once it's looking like it'll meet our notability criteria. If you tried to place it directly into 'mainspace', chances are it would get speedily deleted as pure promotion. Bear in mind that most editor spend months learning how to edit before ever thinking about creating a new page. It's the hardest of tasks here - akin to never having driven and then being told to shoot up the M1 to Scotland. You stand a good chance of crashing en route. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, thanks for your response. I should probably explain that I am not actually employed by Hot House Music, I am an intern employed by The University of Derby. This is part of my University work to improve my degree, therefore I don't believe there to be a conflict of interest. There is a 4 star review by The Guardian on the company and international press articles from their tours to the USA, does this meet the notability criteria? Are you also saying that I cannot link the website or social media accounts? I am simply creating this page to display information for the public on a growing UK business, isn't that allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattHHM (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@MattHHM: thanks for getting back to me. Yes, you still have a conflict of interest, in my view. Not a problem if you follow the declaration instructions. Just declare you are being paid by Derby Uni to write about Hot House Music. (Just out of interest, is this a task set by Cbderbylib, and which course are you doing? I ask as I am keen to foster good relations with the staff at UoD, having helped to run an editathon there 2 years ago, and am happy to guide staff if they need help. If you're on a business or marketing course and they're teaching Wikipedia as a marketing tool, one of us probably ought to have words with your course leader.) Whilst it's OK to include one link to an official website in an 'External links' section, don't put in other social media accounts - thats too promotional, and anyone interested can simply go to the website link and take it from there. If you can provide 3 good in-depth articles in national media and not brief, rehashed PR Puffery, then you do stand more of a chance. You didn't link to any of them, so I can't comment further. Just carefully read and follow WP:NCORP for notability criteria. There are millions of brilliant but non-notable businesses in the world, and Wikipedia is not here to give any of them a 'leg up', but to summarise in a brief, encyclopaedic manner just those subjects that the world at large has already taken note of. So, the brief answer to your question "I am simply creating this page to display information for the public on a growing UK business, isn't that allowed?" is NO! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Not one of mine! 217.169.14.135 (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It would help if I was logged in... Cbderbylib (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

One further point, on top of Nick's excellent advice, MattHHM: something that people inexperienced in Wikipedia often don't understand is that an article is not for the benefit of the subject. If the subject derives some benefit from appearing in an article, that is lucky for them, but it figures nowhere in Wikipedia's purposes; and since the subject has no control whatever over the content of the article, some subjects do not find it beneficial: see WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

One point, MattHHM. Our policy on paid editing specifically includes interns as "paid editors". It also includes employees (or contractors) who are assigned to edit articles as part of their jobs, even if there is no specific payment for editinmg. It also includes employees with a general duty to promote the company, even if not specifically assigned to edit Wikipedia. So from your statement above you would be considered a paid editor, and must make the proper disclosure if you are to edit or create any such article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I appreciate all of your comments, they have helped tremendously! I wanted to ask if you believe the following articles and pieces would be useful to include on the page, some are about the company and some are regarding the Director Jonathan Eno:

1. https://www.ism.org/blog/hot-house-music?fbclid=IwAR0LYtQkimZ_1okcY8OS9ohGNaFc15ByQ8Z4JsWJur0eXCcBnS94WNlnHdk
2. https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/arts-and-culture/screaming-kicks-big-band-play-wirksworth-after-us-coast2coast-tour-218103
3. https://www.marketingderby.co.uk/news-library/tag/Hot+House+Music+School?fbclid=IwAR2qE54pwd9OcZjxVijOuT5tTs-qyPtKY0kQdSQ-a6fOtMNCiEQf9EAgvFo
4. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=FAT66pEIAy4&fbclid=IwAR1TVSEoKGRo-r3c7hXioNpg4ixDHqfq5Ewa3P6G35zTHn-hnX0pHL9vZzw&app=desktop
5. https://www.derby.ac.uk/inspired-business/fbclid=IwAR15RngqTX18ZKOdWbYlw2E_cCZFusfLz5Vg0Lk2hnFdg8e-jOLOMx9k8JI
6. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5409a75ce4b0dc350dc227fa/t/5daecda02ed72b22d6f728cf/1571737057288/Orrery2.pdf?fbclid=IwAR33TpsJaAPOJBaBjw90aqVPZQDIQKWP0ZjzPQ_vkCONtOM6O-OAltFEJnA
7. https://www.jazzviews.net/recipients-announced-for-2020-parliamentary-jazz-awards.html?fbclid=IwAR0rzNTA80CgF6DpgRXhmcwA2Ub0wOtEoVyRS43djLut3GiGKtbTRHSbSXM

I will make it clear before publishing the article that it is paid editing as well; I want to ensure that I abide by all necessary terms and conditions. Thanks, Matt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattHHM (talk • contribs) 15:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any in depth coverage of "Hot House Music" in any of those sources, only passing mentions, also, blogs and YouTube are rarely considered reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Have you been specifically asked to create a Wikipedia article about this company as part of your university work? Such things are extremely unfair to the student who is expected to dive right in and successfully create an article- which is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

MattHHM Here are my quick thoughts on your sources:

1 is an insider magazine - not sufficient

2 is the briefest of mentions (a phone number) - useless

3 As much as I admire our local man, John Forkin, Marketing Derby is, well, a marketing website

4 Deadlink - YouTube is rarely useful for meting this essential notability criterion

5 Dead link University of Derby pages might carry some weight, though the founder of HHM is an alumnus.

6 Is another Marketing Derby product - not suitable

7 No mention of HHM - but interestingly, we see its founder Jon Eno was awarded a British Empire Medal. I'm not sure how my fellow Wikipedians regard Queens Birthday Honours medal as a sign of notability in its own right. But I feel a page about him , not his company, might stand a very slightly higher chance at the moment.

Did you mentioned a Guardian article somewhere? That'd be interesting to see. Generally, businesses require 3 good in-depth sources to reach 'Notability'. I have left a note on your talk page asking you to disclose WP:PAID work now, before making any further edits to your sandbox. Best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, Thanks, your responses have been really insightful. Here is a link to the Guardian Article - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2007/mar/27/jazz It was made back when Hot House was called East Midlands Youth Jazz Orchestra, of course this will be explained for the readers. Thanks, --MattHHM (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

MattHHM That article is just a passing mention, not in-depth and confers no notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I understand not all of these have international reach but could any of them be used: https://www.uknewsgroup.co.uk/the-key-fund-investing-in-hot-house-music-schools/ https://nationaljazzarchive.org.uk/explore/journals/jazz-uk/jazz-uk-62/1268337-jazz-uk-62-0004?q=JAZZ%20NEWS https://www.isaschools.org.uk/2018/04/20/ben-trumpets-his-way-to-musical-success https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/wil-pearson-screaming-kicks-big-1448301 Thanks, --MattHHM (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Any change?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T259872

Hi greetings, were there any changes in notification system? Normally, when we get a new message in talkpage, it will give a notification and a message "You have got some message" with an yellowish orange background over talk link. Now the feature seems changed. The coloured background has disappeared now. Why these happens? Please help. PATH SLOPU 07:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Path slopu: You'll probably have better luck inquiring at WP:VPT. I still got the yellow background some time in the last day or so, though I've noticed that neither alerts nor notifications indicators appear automatically for the last few weeks until I refresh the page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Thank you.--PATH SLOPU 08:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Path slopu: Hi, Path slopu, I've also found that when I get new messages, it doesn't have the yellowish background. You know, I kind of like the yellowish background. I don't know whether or not you guys like the old one, but I do. It started not having the yellowish background around yesterday or two days ago. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm going to go to WP:VPT to ask for help about this. I just wanted to tell Path slopu that Path slopu isn't the only one who's got this issue. Friend505 10:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reports. This appears to be an accident, and is being tracked in our bug tracker at phab:T259872. the wub "?!" 15:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

editing a page

I am the assistant of Laura Letinsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Letinsky) and she needs me to add to her Wikipedia page, but each time I make edits they get reverted for "conflict of Interest" reasons. How can I fix this and edit her page successfully? Lletinsk (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lletinsk: thank you for your disclosure and welcome to the Teahouse. You have a conflict of interest, so you should not be editing the page directly. The policy has been pointed out to you twice on your talk page. Please post any edit requests for the article at the article's talk page. As you are an employee undertaking editing as part of your job, you will also need to follow our paid editing rules. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Left align an instance of NavBox?

I'm trying to amend the alignment of the NavBox template I want to left align it as in the first example, but with the table below it, as per the second example. Any ideas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dave_F63/sandbox&action=submit

Is there a webpage to recommend which would help me understand? Is using the NavBox template the best way to link to on page anchors? Dave F63 (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

redirect

Hello. I have a question to ask. How can i make a search term directly redirect to a said page? Thanks. Daniel D. 78.98.153.190 (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Daniel! There's actually a handy little tool at Wikipedia:How_to_make_a_redirect. —valereee (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Excessive deletion by an admin in a biography article

Dear friends, an admin deleted roughly half of the biography article Alexander-Martin Sardina (historian, former MP in Germany) leaving it now a de facto stub. I know that articles on persons can be contraversial but in this case, I would say the admin has gone too far. For whatever reason, he seems not to have a neutral point of view. In addition to that, I would assume that it's just difficult for Americans to fully understand how the political system in Europe works on a state level. I listed 9 ponts on the talk page why the deletion of some sentences and paragraphs should be restored from my point of view. The admin did also not reply to follow-up questions above that although he got pinged. Therefore, I would love to see "Third Opinion" contributions on that dispute but that would formally require two arguing parties on the talk page... That's why I ask experienced users here now to look into the case, go through my points, try to understand my counter arguments, and suggest or implement a solution in the best case. I thank you all for participating in advance; assume good faith, pls. 2003:E3:D70D:8900:5CD:7069:8FE5:749C (talk) 16:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss an article is on its talk page, and I see that you have raised the question at Talk:Alexander-Martin Sardina, which is the right place. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

In over my head

I have engaged in a discussion I had perhaps better stayed out of as a young editor, but apparently I upset some fellow Wikipedians and we cannot seem to get over it. The issue has been taken to the NPOV board, the SPI board, and now also some administrator board. I am sure much of the burden also rests on me, but I do not know how to end this and simply going back to making valuable edits (as valuable as I can, at least). If anyone with experience here could take a look or share some helpful advice, I would be very grateful. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Chris_Heaton-Harris StanTwoCents (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

StanTwoCents, what I would advise is that you make an absolute apology at the noticeboard taking responsibility for the entire brouhaha, apologizing for the entire mess, asking for a second chance to try to learn how to contribute helpfully, and promising that you will confine yourself to making small edits with clear edit summaries until you've got enough experience that you can look back on this and understand why it happened. —valereee (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Valereee, for your response and advice. StanTwoCents (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Waiting period for moving to public forum

Hello,

How long do we have to wait until we can move an article on our talk page into the public forum? BaracutaG9 (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Puzzled on how to get the article throught :)

I see that BaracutaG9 has been indefinitely blocked. Maproom (talk) 17:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Transition metals: Anions

Hello! As a student, I would like to ask if you (chemists) can make a page, regarding about relativistic effects to transition metals, resulting in them forming the aforementioned anions. So far, I already searched for three hours in google and still hasn't found a single plausible, satisfactory and accessible site that could elucidate to me why. I know this is too much to ask, but nonetheless I need it, so I can get a boost, and withal, finally become chem lord. Furthermore, if it ain't too much to ask, can you provide me with links, or PDFs and such? Thank you all for answering my query! Ice bear johny (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

If you have been unable, in three hours of searching, to find anything published about relativistic anions of transition metals, then it's most unlikely that Wikipedia, which is based on published sources, will accept an article on the topic. Maproom (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

But if you want to ask people if they know of any sources about the idea, the science section of the Reference Desk is a good place to ask. --ColinFine (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Red links?

Can I get some? LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

LovelyCardigan, sorry, not sure what you're asking? —valereee (talk) 18:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

sorry I ment requested articles??? LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@LovelyCardigan: I assume that you want to write an article about a topic that doesnt have an article, but is regarded as "Would nice to have one about that". You can search in Wikipedia:Requested articles for a topic. Then please proceed with the steps below:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) LovelyCardigan, you're interested in suggesting articles that need to be created? You can do that at Wikipedia:Requested_articles, or you can do it by redlinking (placing two brackets on either side of a mention) the topic in a current article. For instance if I see Lucy McPhee mentioned in an article and I think she deserves an article of her own, I can change it to [[Lucy McPhee]] and turn it into Lucy McPhee. That tells other editors that you think a particular subject might make a good article. —valereee (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do when an opposing party does not respond to a discussion?

After an edit war involving multiple users on List of My Hero Academia characters, the page was indefinitely protected, meaning a discussion has to take place to resolve it. However, the opposing party has not responded to the talk page since it was protected. This is in no way to report them (as last time I asked a similar question, it transformed into an ANI report, which was not my intention then, and certainly is not now), but I am curious on what to do with the discussion when the other party does not respond. I don't want to abandon it, because I believe the discussion to be very important to the readability of the page, but I have no idea what to do, as I already alerted Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Lists and Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Anime and manga about the edit war. Do I just wait to see if a third party responds, and if so, how long does that usually take? 72.219.72.215 (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The article List of My Hero Academia characters is only semi-protected. That means that autoconfirmed accounts can edit it. If you were to register for a free account and become autoconfirmed, you would be able to make edits to the article, although should carefully avoid edit warring and follow the Bold, revert, discuss cycle. You could ask for a third opinion or follow dispute resolution. I see that in your two most recent posts to the talk page, you did not ping Serial Number 54129, and that editor may not be aware of your comments. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference

How many reference need for create living person biography article?. TintuArunav (talk) 13:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @TintuArunav:, welcome to Teahouse, if the person is notable, you need atleast three reliable sources to pass WP: THREE. Also see WP: Notability for more. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 15:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} Thank you for your valuable response.TintuArunav (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Stub-class high-importance articles

Hi, is there any good way to find high-importance, stub-class articles (as opposed to just looking for one of the two) Yellowleaf23 (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yellowleaf23. Yes, absolutely there is. Find the WikiProject that covers the topics you're interested in (a good way to do that is look at a relevant article's talk page and follow the links from there. Each WikiProject usually has an 'Assessment Chart' - a multicoloured chart showing article importance versus article quality assessment. Click the corresponding number to see the articles that fall into that category. Thus from Matterhorn you'd go to WP:ALPS. We have 69 High Importance stub article, which, when you click the right cell, takes you here. From there you can choose articles that interest you. Of course, that summit is also of relevance to WikiProject Switzerland and WikiProject Italy, so you might choose the Italian project, check their Assessment chart, and find these 58 High Importance stub articles]. Accessing articles via this route and focusing on important stubs is one of the best ways a committed editor can work through and improve overall Wikipedia content with the least overall effort. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Expand to show a typical assessment chart (WikiProject: Mountains of the Alps)
Mountains of the Alps articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total GA 1 1 2 B 7 3 3 1 14 C 12 24 26 41 2 105 Start 5 82 232 393 2 714 Stub 22 212 2,010 2 2,246 List 1 4 1 6 Category 50 50 File 6 6 Portal 2 2 Project 2 2 Template 5 5 NA 1 3 5 9 Assessed 26 133 477 2,448 70 7 3,161 Total 26 133 477 2,448 70 7 3,161 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 17,512 Ω = 5.68

Whats the best place to propose a new article if I'm not sure of its notability

I'm considering making an article for the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation, and possibly some of the organizations they work with. Theres not any great news articles that I can see, but there are a few websites listing charities that talk about the organizaton, and they are listed on the IRS website of course. I think they've done some good work, and are connected to some notable folks online, so I'm wondering if anyone could help me find some good references, or let me know if y'all think it isn't notable enough to warrant an article. https://pcrf-kids.org/ there is the organizations website, and this is the IRS listing for their charity. PhoenixJCC (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, PhoenixJCC, and welcome! Creating an article from scratch is not easy for new editors. Neither of those websites would support the organization being notable enough for an article. What you need to find are lengthy discussions of the organization at multiple (rule of thumb I use is three) reliable non-affiliated sources. The pcrf-kids source is obviously affiliated, and the IRS listing is just that: a listing; can be used for filling in information but not for proving notability. It looks like they might have incorporated in 2015? It would be a pretty unusual nonprofit that became notable within 5 years of incorporating. —valereee (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I think they're most notable for being the charity that the Variety/Vinesauce Is hope events raise money for, they're twitch streamers who do a yearly charity event to raise money for PCRF more about that can be found here they've raised over 100k a year for the past 3 years, and I want to say 700k over the past 5 years. the streamers collectively have hundreds of thousands of viewers. I figured that the charity itself would be more important than the streamers associated with it, but they consistently get viewers and consistently get folks to raise money so they may be more notable as people than the charity is as a charity? I'm not sure though. EDIT: also the PCRF page says that the organization has been around for 38 years and has raised 47 million dollars, I'm assuming they changed what they were listed as a few times.PhoenixJCC (talk) 19:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid, PhoenixJCC, that none of that has anything to do with notability as Wikipedia defines it, which is almost all about there being enough independent published material about the organisation to base an article on. Wikipedia is basically not interested in any information which comes from the subject, or from people or organisations associated with the subject, including information in interviews and press releases. It is only interested in what people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Bups Saggu

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

how long after you done required amendments does it take to approve a new page

article bups saggu how long after you done required amendments does it take to approve a new page ReadingPro123 (talk) 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ReadingPro123. (I inserted a header, because you had just tacked your question onto the previous section about something else). The answer is, there is no set time. Wikipedia editors are volunteers, who work on what they choose, when they choose. What I can tell you is that none of the four references that you have added since the first time your draft was declined two days ago has come anywhere near the minimum standard for a reference to contribute to notability: that it is independent of the subject and has substantial coverage of the subject. A million poor sources do not add up to one good one - indeed, having too many poor sources is usually a sign that the subject is not notable. Submitting it a third time in two days without substantial improvement may well be seen as disruptive editing, and I advise you to read WP:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) very careful and find some appropriate sources before another reviewer gets to your draft. If you cannot find any, then the subject is not notable, and all the time you or anybody puts or has put into this draft is a waste of time.

I also observe that the only article you have edited besides this draft is Lehmber Hussainpuri, and that was to insert a link to Saggu (which won't work until such time as there is an article, not a draft, about Saggu). This makes me ask, what is your connection to Saggu? If you have any connection at all with him, you need to be aware of Wikipedia policies on editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi had only ended the other article as noticed in search it comes up. That's all. Looking at articles of fellow people in the genre. That is what they have all referenced to as well So I thought they were good referenced. Some are of BBC which is a big organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReadingPro123 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello again ReadingPro123. Unfortunately we have thousands and thousands of substandard articles, many of which would get deleted if anybody noticed them and had the time. If you want to compare an existing article, choose one which has been a good article or featured article, not a random article which may or may not be of any quality. The BBC is generally a reliable source certainly; but that is not the only criterion. We require that sources be completely unconnected with the subject (because we are basically not interested in what the subject or their associates say about them, but only what independent people say about them). Please read the links I gave you.

You say "fellow people in the genre", which makes me ask again, what is your connection with Bups Saggu? --ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok. I will look through it.i just meant as a new user, I did look at fellow people are also known for being a bhangra producer and singers as a structure to know how they are laid out but now understand they may not be correct but as they are published I thought they were. I have no connection just interest in that music field and saw there wasn't a page for that artist. And saw you are able to create pages so wanted to try. Totally newbie but did think I followed the right structure. Will look again thank you for all your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReadingPro123 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, ReadingPro123. I'm sorry if I came over as suspicious: the fact is that we do get lots of people coming her basically to promote themselves (or their band, their company, their school etc). It's a pity that so many people who want to edit think that the best or only way to add to Wikipedia is to create a new article: as you have discovered, that is a very difficult process for new editors. I hope your experience hasn't put you off contributing. You may like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to learn more about editing; and then you can look for articles in your area of interest that need some work. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

self citing a company's website as a description of their services.

Seriously, can anyone give a better place on where to get the info on what a company does and specializes in other than the company's own site? Geekymutt (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Geekymutt Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are instances where primary sources are acceptable- but Wikipedia is primarily interested in what independent reliable sources say about a company, including what it does. Companies usually describe themselves favorably. If you are having trouble finding independent reliable sources stating or suggesting what a company does, it likely doesn't merit an article in the first place. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

We're the primary installer of a government system for museums, doing things they don't, and the company responsible for the lion's share of the Science on a Sphere systems installed all over the world. I don't describe the quality of services, or install -that'd be subjective and biased information. I describe the specialization of what we do. - Objective information you can gather looking at the site.

You don't really get put in a magazine or your companies named plastered all over a museum's or government facilities for doing the work. NOAA isn't even mentioned usually. Honestly most citings for science on a sphere is from NOAA, the govt agency selling the licenses, that should fall under the same umbrella here.

We're the ones installing the systems, servicing them, and creating data for the companies requesting them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekymutt (talk • contribs) 21:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Geekymutt. Wikipedia is not a directory of every business. It is an encyclopedia that contains articles about notable businesses, which means that independent reliable sources have devoted significant coverage to the company. Please read and study Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Any acceptable article must comply with that guideline. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Geekymutt. If your company has not been written about in depth by people who have no connection whatever with the company, then I'm afraid it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about it will ever be accepted. Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject of an article says about themselves, or that their associates say about them: an article should be almost entirely based one what unconnected people have published about them, and if there is no such coverage, then there is literally nothing which can go into an article. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Assistance needed to fix issue and clear warning box

Link: American Sleep Apnea Association

There is an error box and I can not figure out how to use it. We would also like to add our Logo if possible. Thank you SleepAdvocate (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC) SleepAdvocate (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@SleepAdvocate: I uploaded your logo but also significantly edited the promotional and unsourced info that was in your article. It would unlikely survive a deletion discussion without more sources. In order to demonstrate the notability of your group, the article should be based on profiles of your organization in independent third party publications, not just passing mentions. See WP:GNG and WP:RS. The sourcing now is poor - hence the more sources needed tag. Also please see WP:COI, which suggests you request edits on the article's talk page rather than doing them yourself, since you have a conflict of interest. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, SleepAdvocate, and welcome to the Teahouse.

• First of all, who is "we". Wikipedia accounts are for individual people, adn msut not be shared. If you are acting as an advocate for, spokesperson for, or employee of the American Sleep Apnea Association (or any other organization) you must declare that you are a paid editor as described in that policy page, preferably by using the template {{paid}}. If you have some other connection to the Assocation, you may have a conflict ofm interest and should declare that.
• Secondly, that notice was added manually by some editor because that editor believed that not enough sources had been cited in the article. It can be removed manually when an editor in good standing who thinks that there are sufficient sources. Often three to five independent and reliable sources, each of which includes significant coverage (say at least several paragraphs about the topic) is enough. Currently there are exactly two cited inline sources. One is from the association ()and so is not independent), and the other is two pages of a book. On followi9ng the link it turns out that there are two passing mentions in the book, each identifying an affiliation of a person mentioned. There is no detailed discussion of the association. This is not significant coverage, so currently there are none of the needed three to five sources.
• Third, the current tone is not appropriate. The article is currently written in the first person plural: We accomplish this mission through education..., At the ASAA, we envision a world ..., and In the meantime, we work towards a world ... The article addresses the reader directly: ... support groups that you can find on our website ... None of that is appropriate. A Wikipedia articel should be written in the third person, and should not address the reader. Any mission statement should be presented as an attributed and cited quotation, not states as a fact.
• Fourth: listed events should include dates. Consider what happens if someone reads the article in two or five years time. Will such a reader know if the events are in the future or long past?

In short, this article does not currently meet the required minimum standards for inclusion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I turn off email notifications?

Template:Email user notification says that there's a template on top of my talk page that enables or disables me to receive emails. However, I do not want to receive emails. I have already went into my preferences to disable other users from directly emailing me, but I still receive emails when somebody comments on my talk page or mentions me. Is there a way to disable it completely without removing the email associated without my account? Unnamed anon (talk) 21:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Unnamed anon In your Preferences, go to the notifications tab. 331dot (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Is WolframAlpha reliable?

Is WolframAlpha usually reliable? ~Abraham236 (talk) 02:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: this question was discussed last year at the reliable sources noticeboard.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! :D ~Abraham236 (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Phil Greiss

Hi guys!! so happy to have found a place where I could maybe get clarity ... in 2014 I had written an wiki article in French about canadian record producer Phil Greiss, the article went through the validation process with no problem. But he's well known over there and has been at it since around 1998, numerous recognitions, not a lot of press though but tons of credits, accolades and awards relevant over there.

I decided to re-write the article in english but can't seem to get through the notability checks it seems, even though since 2016 he has worked on pretty big records such as JBalvin's Mi Gente (about a billion streams on spotify so far), David Guetta's Goodbye feat. Nicki Minaj witch gathered about 220Million streams, and as of today (right now!) he has a #1 Top50 Global Spotify song with Jason Derulo's Savage Love wich he co-wrote, and the song is entering the top10 of the billboard hot 100.

I'm not sure how to get the article through as he now has even more notable accomplishements than in 2014

Shall I add every single work and credit from the now deceased french article? Henri Grace (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Henri Grace, the draft was declined because, in the opinion of the reviewer, the references were not good enough to establish Greiss as notable, in the sense in which that word is used here. Standards at en:Wikipedia and fr:Wikipedia differ. The decline notice is intended to encourage you to find and add better references as evidence of notability: they should be to published sources which are reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant discussion of Greiss. Adding a large number of even poorer references, as you propose, won't help at all. Maproom (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Henri Grace: Most of the things you mention – his works and accomplishments – make no direct contribution to his notability. The question is has he been written significantly about in reliable secondary sources, like Rolling Stone, Variety, newspapers, books, etc.; not just listing him as having produced/written songs or albums that they are writing about, but actual extended content about him. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

About publish my article issue

hi, I am Ahsan, from Bangladesh. My Wikipedia page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ahsan617364 Actually I am a newbie in Wikipedia and this is my first article published on 26 July 2020.

Its a magician biography and I don't understand why my article is not published. I have given all kinds of references from Google like different news sites. Suggest me what can I improve in this article. I have absolutely no idea about Wikipedia article, there is no one to guide me, I am doing so much on my own from a different website and Wikipedia page.

Please let me know what is the problem of the article. I seek the cooperation of experts. help me Ahsan617364 (talk) 20:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ahsan617364, and welcome to the teahouse.

You have undertaken perhaps the hardest task a new editor can, that of creating a new article from nothing. Please read Your First Article. Please read the list of steps given above in the section #Red links?. Wikipedia only has articles about notable topics. Most people are not notable, for example I am not. Please understand that you need to cite multiple Reliable and independent sources, each of which should include significant coverage of the subject. There should be at least three to five such sources cited. Note that a passing mention in a major site is of no value. A few good sources are far batter than many bad ones. I cannot read the sources you have cited, so I cannot comment specifically on their value. It would help if you provided English-language titles of the sources. This can be done with |trans-title= and |trans-work= in a citation template. Do note that the Daily Mail is considered an unreliable source and should not be used. Perhaps Vinegarymass911 who reviewed and declined your draft, would care to comment in more detail. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Only two of the sources are considered reliable sources; Risingbd.com and The Daily Ittefaq. 'Razu was born in September 1994 in a Muslim cultured family in Faridpur district in the Dhaka division. His father, Abul Kalam Azad, is a transport Businessman. His mother Shahanaj Kalam, is a housewife. He has one sister and one brother.' Entire paragraphs without a single citation. "He has many clients at home and abroad companies." sounds promotional. " This talented Bangladeshi magician has gained a lot of popularity not only the country but also at the international level. According to him, a magician means an actor and magic for all ages and everyone." This unsourced line is hardly encyclopedic.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 07:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Priscila Perales

A few years ago, I read about Priscila Perales in Wikipedia (English and Spanish) and most of the information and a photo, was about another lady that somebody posted instead of Priscila's info.

That situation lasted a long time and later was solved, but those pages still need more work. I wanted to edit them but I had no time. With the pandemic, I'm taking advantage I'm at home and I've wrote a draft in my computer about her with real information.

I started editing the page in Wikipedia, but every time I did so, everything was deleted. They claimed it wasn't referenced information (I don't know yet how to add that), and in one edit I wrote the date of birth was in Wikipedia in Spanish and still wasn't accepted.

On top of that, I've added her books with ISBN and they were deleted too. However, for another beauty queen (Lupita Jones), her books are mentioned in her Wikipedia page.

What did I do wrong? I feel that wrong information prevailed more time in Perales page and now that I want to post real one, it's not possible.

Any suggestions? Should I forget this edit and pursue others?

Forever Jose (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Information may be true, but adding if requires verification in the form of references. Hence you additions reverted. See Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: Yesterday, I've wrote a second message with the same subject, but for some misterious reason it doesn't appear here in teahouse, even that I correctly posted it. That's why I'm writing an update here.

I've did more editing on Priscila Perales adding references and external links and all but one of my contributions were deleted by @ justlettersandnumbers since he thinks I am paid for doing this. As I explained on my first post (you can read it above), I was pursuing to update the articles (in English and Spanish) regarding Priscila Perales long time ago. And now that I have the time, I am doing so and I have more articles that I want to do too, but the response for whatever I post is dissapointing.

I even added the {Spanish name} template for Priscila and it was deleted too, despite of being posted correctly and it didn't hurt the article.

I've followed the advice of David notMD adding more references and from all, I only failed using one of IMDb, which could be easily deleted by the administrator justlettersandnumbers and instead of that, he just deleted all. That's dissapointing, since it's still difficult for me to write without using visual editor and it's offensive for the time and work involved. I thought I had to be patient because I have no experience and I just had to repost and learn, but I feel there's no respect for my contributions.

Overall, you can check what I've done and only one change was accepted for that article, which is when I deleted the "official website" of Perales, because it's just a promotional website for selling bracelets.

References in Spanish are still there, despite I've added some in English. So I think for some reason somebody doesn't want to improve the article.

I feel that the aforementioned administrator just deletes my changes not only because he thinks that I am paid for doing so, furthermore he just deletes automatically whatever I post, without accepting changes that are good for the article. I feel offended that he assumes something that is not true and I went to his talk page looking for advice and I found more people complaining that he thinks that they are paid too.

Therefore, I've decided to look for advice here. Since I like to do the things perfect and probably for him, that means that I am paid and he's wrong.

For me this is just an opportunity to test my skills as a writer, something that I always wanted to do.

Therefore, I need your advice here for this article of Priscila Perales. I've thought on three options to choose from:

1) Forget about it despite the time and effort that I put on it and do other articles about people that I admire, but I'm afraid that again this guy would think that I am paid for doing so and again, he will just delete whatever I post.

or

2) I can post a draft of the article of Priscila, and whoever wants to use the information will edit the article and wil take advantage of what I researched and wrote.

or

3) If the administrator who deletes all my changes has any personal issues with Perales and he will never allow anybody to improve the article, I better don't post a draft nor encourage anybody to work on that.

Please let me know your thoughts: @David notMD: and thanks for your suggestions for more references and @ColinFine: thanks for helping me with my New Additions message and anybody else who may want to help me with this issue. Forever Jose (talk) 06:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Forever Jose. I cleaned up the formatting, etc. of your last post a bit. The best way to continue a discussion is to simply add your comment below the last comment in the thread or below the comment of the person you want to respond to as explained here. Trying to insert your comment in the middle of an already posted comment (even if it's your own comment) isn't usually a good idea because it can end up causing confusion as explained in WP:TPO and WP:REDACT. I'm also pinging @David notMD: and @ColinFine: as a courtesy since the ping templates you were to a post that was already signed. Ping templates only work when you add them to a post and then sign the post. They don't work if you add them to a post that's already been signed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Citation unorder - part2

RE a previous question, where I overlooked the answer, sorry for that! The issue is sort of rediscovering the |title-link= function in {{Citation}}, and what I am stumbling over, or realising, is that a wikilink to a book title seems similar to providing a link to a laysummary. At least, a wikilink for a book-title is very less than an url to the text itself. Here is the real example, from a draft I am writing:

• Henry Furneaux, ed. (1900). "de Origine et situ Germanorum liber (laysummary)" [Book of the origins and location of the Germani]. Cornelli Taciti opera minora [Minor works of Cornelius Tacitus]. Oxford Classical Texts (in Latin). Oxford: Clarendon Press. - "de Origine et situ Germanorum liber" at www.perseus.tufts.edu

chapter=de Origine et situ Germanorum liber ([[de Origine et situ Germanorum|laysummary]])

My actual goal here, is to produce expected result, ie. a reader clicking on blue-coloured title expect to reach the text, not a text about the text. I'll say that the wikilinked title is a builtin ambiguity in the construction of the citation: a blue-coloured title may lead to the text itself or it may lead to a Wikipedia article about the text. My first question was technical, but then I found this ad hoc solution. Just for the record, I don't read Latin. Sechinsic (talk) 07:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 36.37.235.159 (talk) 09:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Happys

I need help talking about getting my band on here, we are coming up on ten years, lost my dad this year and thousands of dollars, the seo would help beyond belief.

The Happys were started in 2012 and have played with Dwight Yokam, Journey Sammy Hagar, Del the funky Homosapien, Brothers Comotose, Big Brother and the holding company, and many more. They have toured extensively through Pacific Northwest. The have play acousticially in Australia, and all of the US. They have been featured on pop matters, Broadway world, Jam in the Van and have a very good underground following. They have had lots of airplay with Alt. 105 (live 105). The band is managed by Rick Bonde who worked with Bradley Nowell Sublime, Blink 182, 3 non blondes, and skankin pickle. We have lost thousands to covid 19, and would love to work with you! 

‪www.thehappysofficial.com‬

The Happys- Youtube  Thehappys-Instagram The Happys Facebook

‪‬ Nick Petty TheHappys123 (talk) 09:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TheHappys123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your situation sounds unfortunate. I am sorry for your loss. However, and to be frank, Wikipedia is completely unconcerned with improving your financial situation, helping your band with SEO or otherwise enhancing search results for your band. This is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a band, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band. Wikipedia is not interested in what a band wants to say about itself. If your band meets at least one of the listed criteria, you shouldn't be the one to write about your band due to your conflict of interest. I'm sorry. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I make my article more "Constructive"?

Hello, I recently discovered that a large financial firm based in New York called IronHold Capital was not on Wikipedia. I thought this was odd so I quickly gathered as many sources as I could and drafted up a pretty nice summary of the firm. However someone kindly wrote back that I need to be more "constructive". Besides inserting a lot of detail and citations (which I did) what else can I do? Happy to do more but just want to know what direction I should be going in! Thank you in advance! Poweredxsolar (talk) 02:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Poweredxsolar, I think the edits that they were referring to that they said were unconstructive were edits you made to Category:Wikipedia editing, because this isn't the right place to put a new article. I see that you have now written the article in your sandbox and submitted it for review. This will be reviewed by an editor who will either approve it and move it to the main article space, or else provide you with feedback on the article. Pi (Talk to me!) 02:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Poweredxsolar. Please change your username: see WP:CHU. Usernames which suggest they are editing on behalf of an organisation are not allowed. Also, do you have some connection with IronHold? If so, please read about editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit the broken links in Wikipedia under references?

 Janakidm (talk) 11:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Janakidm. It will be easier for someone to help you if you can provide the name of the article where this is a problem. In most cases, you won’t find the actual references in the “References” section of an article; so, if you want to edit a particular reference, you need find where it is in the body of the article and then fix it there. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more information on how to find where the references are typically located in an article. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add only one host?

How to add only one host? WikipedianBoy16 (talk) 13:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikipedianBoy16: What exactly do you mean by "one host"? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wait-staff

Please accept our apologies. Another host will be along shortly to take your order. ☂️

Wait-staff here are incredibly discourteous, I have been waiting almost 24 hours and not received my Arnold Palmer (drink)! And it better come with a paper umbrella! Btw, since I'm here...do edits to your own userpage/talkpage or sandbox count towards the minimum number of edits you must have before you can create a redirect page? I'm just asking because it seems annoying if I need to go make 12 edits to Donald Trump before I'm allowed to make a minor redirect page to help people from confusing the new non-notable Roxborough Apartments in Ottawa from the historical Roxborough Apartments which were notable and share an article with Confederation Park which was built on their ruins. It seems like a fitting redirect page to create, yet I need minimum edits first? So what counts as an edit? Is this one? Bicarbonatedesoude (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Bicarbonatedesoude, any edit, no matter where you make it, and no matter how inconsequential, counts towards your edit total, but we ask that you avoid cynically making repetitive edits to increase your edit count.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bicarbonatedesoude: Yes, they all count. But there is so much real work to do, why not just find an article you care about and make some improvements to that for a while. Before you know it, you will qualify for everything you want to do.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to both, I just felt it best to not meddle in other pages where I don't know the histories and personalities that were writing them - I'm just looking at doing up heritage buildings in Ontario. Bicarbonatedesoude (talk) 03:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bicarbonatedesoude: You might find the following category links of use to finding articles to work on: Category:National Historic Sites in Ontario and Category:Buildings and structures in Ontario by census division. A broader group of like-minded editors can be found at WP:WikiProject Ontario. (Hope you enjoyed your drink!) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Permission to Author Biography

A few months back I read a book on philosophy by a young author named Arav Sri Agarwal and felt he didn't have the attention he deserved. I searched him up and he seemed to have a knowledge panel and sufficient recognition from Google due to the fact that he is a published, earning author. I know biographies are frowned upon, which is why I came here to ask if I could be permitted to write a biography about this author deriving relevant information from primary and secondary sources and citing them. He seems like an interesting personality to me, considering he is a 15 year old Thai-Indian who has already accomplished quite a lot. I feel he has earned and deserves a spot on Wikipedia, I would completely understand it if he wouldn't be deemed Wikipedia material, but then aagain there are many other irrelevant Wikipedia pages including one on "Toast Sandiwches"! Let me know your thoughts on this and whether I am allowed to proceed with authoring a post on Arav Sri Agarwal. Arjön Király (talk) 15:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Arjön Király, and welcome to the Teahouse. Biographies are not frowned on at all! Anything - person, book, company, theory, band, art movement, planet - anything can be the subject of a Wikipedia article - provided it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you can find several places where people wholly unconnected with Agarwal, and not prompted by or fed information from him, who have chosen to write a substantial amount about him, and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, then you can write an article about him. A Google knowledge panel says nothing: it might reference some reliable independent sources, but typically it mostly won't. Nothing written or published by him will contribute to making him notable. Some substantial book reviews in major newspapers might say enough about his book to make that notable; but they will not do much towards making him notable, unless they talk at some length about him as well as the book. Have you read your first article? --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Why my page couldn't be published?

First of all, I'd like to say thanks Wikipedia is a great platform for learners. I've pay full attention to create my page with hard work. But now when I wish to publish they notify me your page couldn't be published. Can anyone tell me why it's happening to me? Prince Rauf (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Prince Rauf, I assume this is about your sandbox, User:Prince Rauf/sandbox. It was declined because Wikipedia already had a draft Draft:Zaleb Brown about the same person. That draft has also been declined, for the same reason as most declined drafts: its references do not establish that Brown is notable (in Wikipedia's sense) by citing several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of him. Indeed, it seems to me that it doesn't cite any such sources. Most of its references appear not to mention him, though that may just be incompetence in supplying correct links. Those sources that do mention him are based on interviews with him, and so are not independent. Maproom (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Sinfonia Latina - help with map

• Sinfonia Latina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Deanna Coakley (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hello I am requesting Assistance on upgrading the map to something not so generic looking and to include location pins for both locations of festival on this draft article I am preping for resubmission thanks Deanna Coakley (talk) 18:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I got another warning

I used a .gov website to use a source to see if Fremont is rapidly growing in population and I got a warning because it isn't reliable when the government wrote the website. The website is this http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/Fremont.htm Anilgaming2007 (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Anilgaming2007. Ohnoitsjamie did not say or imply that there was anything wrong with the source. They said that your drawing a conclusion which is not in the source is synthesis, which is not allowed. (They then went on to find a couple of references which do say what you wanted to add, and added the information with references which support it.) --ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mohammad Ali Shomali

• Mohammad Ali Shomali (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Amrahlawymasry (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I created this page, and I want someone to delete template (speedy deletion); I improved the page and applied the notes. and need review the page if it need to review. Amrahlawymasry (talk) 19:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Amarhlawymasry. You can contest the speedy deletion by picking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". I see you have made a number of edits to the text. It will be up to reviewers to decide whether that is enough to make it not a copyright violation. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Repinging Amrahlawymasry. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine. Ok thank you, I will wait and will see if it has been updated.

I removed the copyright violation tag, as it was no longer applicable. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

After how many days (7 days, 14 days or 21 days?) I can delete such sentencese "This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (July 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)" on a Wikipedia page? Wname1 (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wname1, It should only be removed after the issues have been dealt with. What page in particular are you thinking of? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union Wname1 (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd bodycam video leak

There is no mention of the George Floyd bodycam leak by the Daily Mail on his page. It is very much necessary to the story as it pieces together an essential part of the story. I did not want to risk losing my account, so, I request it be reported as professionally as possible. The leak must be mentioned and it being on the Wikipedia is a near necessity. I find it shocking that there is zero mention of the bodycam leak several days after it happened. Nonsikson (talk) 13:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Daily Mail is not considered to be a reliable source so that source probably won't work. However this report from The Independent probably will stand up to scrutiny but I will leave it to others to decide whether this is material to the article and is not WP:UNDUE.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   13:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nonsikson: Regardless, the discussion should be had at Talk:George Floyd. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)