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How to improve Sources and Citations

First of all I would like to thank you on behalf of the Majestic Team who are working on the Wikipedia Page Project now in Draft at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Majestic_Search_Engine

We have been following advice and implementing comments review after review over the past weeks and wish to thank ColinFine who offered some very useful insights on how we should approach creating our Wikipedia page.

The recent review by Bluerasberry offered information as to why the page was not approved in the format we have proposed. The comment posted was:

"Please identify several sources which feature this product as their subject".

As all sources cited mention or feature Majestic, we would very much appreciate your support to understand what is missing or seen as inadequate.

We have based our proposal for a Wikipedia Page on an existing one for the Aerospike Database (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospike_database).

Your help and support is very much appreciated :)

Santejachille (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Aerospike database is up for deletion because of concerns that "There are not sufficient sources to satisfy any relevant notability criteria" so probably not a good article to model another one on! Please also note that user accounts are strictly for individuals only, not company "teams" Theroadislong (talk) 18:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Santejachille Hello! Here is the most secure plan forward:

1. Delete all sources which were written by Majestic or their financial partners
2. Delete all sources which mention Majestic, but do not feature Majestic as an essential and unreplaceable example of the information given in the source
3. Now delete all content which is not backed by a citation to some source.

When this is done, count the remaining references. If the article meets WP:GNG based on number and depth of references, typically 2-3 solid ones, then it is good to go live. Right now, it is not apparent that this article meets that standard. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Book notability

Would links to published reviews about a book aid its notability?

Lortoleva

Hi Lortoleva, yes published reviews by reliable sources are a perfect way to demonstrate notability. WP:NBOOK. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Issues of standards with a list article, very poor written English and repeating information from other articles.

This List article has issues of being incomplete and problems of inaccurate information and repeating information in articles. There has been a long discussion in the talk pages. However, the original editor refuses to change information and there are problems with conflicts between British-English and the editor using incorrect written English using US informal speech patterns. I would like to progress to an AFD nomination for the article on grounds of notability, duplication of information and the inability of a very experienced editor to understand the technical issues of the background information and the overall poor Wikipedia standards. Would suggest an alternative course of action before progressing to an AFD nomintaion ? I would like to avoid an editing war. agljones(talk)Agljones 08:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Good; you're not a raw beginner since you know to think of AfD as a late, perhaps even last, resort. Better to seek opinions from editors familiar with the matter at hand. Have you tried the relevant Wikiprojects? If I'm guessing right, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Isle of Man may have the topical knowledge that can help you more than we can, here in our cozy little Teahouse. Jim.henderson (talk) 08:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I have considered a Peer Review and it is difficult finding an editor with sufficient technical background knowledge. I have referred the editor concerned to the Talk Pages where these issues are debated. However, after discussing in the Wiki talk:Motorcycling pages as you suggest that the opinion that the article is of insufficient quality the problem remains of having to deal with an editor that has repeatedly "stonewalled" issues and I wish to avoid an editing war. The problems have been complicated by retrospective deletions of related articles without referring to the AfD nominations procedure and I have also been subject to abusive personal attacks by other editors. agljones(talk)Agljones 11:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, agljones. I have participated in thousands of AfD debates, and in my opinion, the chances that this list article will be deleted for the reasons you have mentioned are very slim. The solution to problem with use of American English is simple: edit the article to reflect British English usage per WP:ENGVAR. You don't need anyone's permission to do that. Similarly, if information is inaccurate, the solution is simple: edit the article to correct any errors, citing reliable sources. There is no requirement that a list article be complete at any given point in time. If it bothers you that the article is incomplete, simply edit the article to make it more complete, basing your edits on reliable sources. If previous editors do not understand the technical issues as well as you do, then edit the article to improve its presentation of the technical issues, based on what the best reliable sources say. The bottom line is that we do not delete articles on notable topics because of the type of problems you mention. Instead, we improve them through the normal process of editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

ip address

can you use an ip address as a username for a wikipedia account? Studentcollege (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: Welcome back. Your question has already been answered and reposting it won't accomplish anything. No, your username cannot be an IP and cannot resemble an IP address. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

ip address

can you use an ip address as a username? Studentcollege (talk) 22:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi. No, please see Wikipedia:Username policy#Inappropriate usernames, which includes as inappropriate: "Usernames which resemble IP addresses (as these are expected to designate non-logged-in users), timestamps or other names which would be confusing within the Wikipedia signature format." Note that there are one or two exceptions that have been made for people whose IP address-like usernames were created long ago and have been grandfathered in. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

So by your response I guess that means no i cannot use an ip address as a username am i right? Studentcollege (talk) 23:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is the meaning of "No" in the English language, in the context of your question. See above:

• (you) can you use an ip address as a username?
• (Fuhghettaboutit) Hi. No, please see...

--Thnidu (talk) 02:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

characters and tags

I need someone to slowly explain to me what the symbols below the edit window mean? Studentcollege (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Studentcollege: Those symbols are special symbols that aren't readily available on your keyboard, but that you may need to use at some point at editing. Clicking on one will insert that character into the editing box. For example, the first two are dashes; the one after is the degree symbol; the next two are a straight apostrophe and a straight quotation mark; then you've got the symbols for "approximately", "not equal to", "less than or equal to", and "greater than or equal to"; a few more mathematical operators; arrows; and a section sign. You can also use the dropdown menu on the lefthand side of the symbols to select even more symbols (Latin, Greek, IPA, etc.). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

can you easily explain to me what those symbols mean from one symbol at a time?

Studentcollege (talk) 03:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: If you mean – — ° ′ ″ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § then they all have Wikipedia articles or redirects so you can copy-paste them to the search box or click the links I gave here on the symbols. For the "Wiki markup" part, most of them are explained at Help:Wiki markup. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

PrimeHunter has been exceptionally kind to you here, Studentcollege. If you are actually a "student" in "college", then you need to learn how to figure things out by yourself, instead of asking to have your hand held every step of the way. We emphasize kindness here at the Teahouse, but there is a point where kindness comes to an end, and warnings about disruptive behavior begin. Please ponder that carefully. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Cullen I highly understand what your trying to say its just that iam a new user for wikipedia and when your a new user things that you dont understand meed to be questioned so the experienced wikipedia users can clarify it to you better.

Studentcollege (talk) 04:54, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Every single one of your edits so far has been here at the Teahouse, Studentcollege. We are here to help new editors learn how to improve the encyclopedia. When are you going to start improving the encyclopedia, as opposed to asking questions over and over and over again here? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

knowledge graph

can registered wikipedia users and unregistered users create a knowledge graph for a famous person or does someone outside of the wikipedia company do the knowledge graph for them? Studentcollege (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: There is no "wikipedia company". Wikipedia is run by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation.

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

So basically all users from Wikipedia registered or not have nothing to do about the knowledge graph that is shown on google but the people that work for google contribute to the knowledge graph as well as using information from Wikipedia to add to the graph am i right? Studentcollege (talk) 05:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: Pretty much, yes - though Google usually presents the information through automated programs. Also, please don't place your signature on a new line. Simply add the four tildes at the end of your message. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djeak

Dear teahouse,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djeak

He is a Real Person, Famous Person. What miss I so that this page is always gotten CSD A7?

with best regards,

Akorda KhanAkordakhan (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Akordakhan. The only references in the article are to the person's own website. You say that he is "famous". If so, provide references that are independent of this person, such as newspapers and magazine articles that give him significant coverage. His own website is not useful for showing notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

is this to not enough ?

[links removed for copyright reasons. Drmies (talk)]

is now enough ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akordakhan (talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Regards,

Akordakhan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akordakhan (talk • contribs) 18:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

At first glance, those articles appear to be significant coverage, but I do not read Dutch. Perhaps a Dutch speaking editor like Drmies can take a look. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

This has already been answered at WP:Help desk, as the editor is WP:Forum shopping. To quote User:TheRedPenOfDoom:

No. Local promotional event coverage does not provide "significant coverage of the subject by non related reliable sources." - Arjayay (talk) 19:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• Yeah, no. The Zutphense Koerier isn't just a regional paper, it's also a weekly, and those are usually little more than advertising mediums whose reporting is limited to feelgood stories. Sorry, but this does not add up to significant discussion in a reliable source (I don't know what that first one was, of him holding his son, but that also does not constitute something that adds up to what we consider coverage. IN addition, we can't link to those things for copyright reasons so I'm going to remove them, and I'm going to delete the article. Sorry, but A7 applies: there is no reasonable claim to importance. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

[[User:|Bluerasberry]] I discovered that the Aerospike page has been identified as potentially non appropriate after publishing this request for help. Now i is clear on how to proceed. You have been very helpful and I appreciate your help.

178.23.8.227 (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Can We create a page for Vamizi Island.

Is it a unique topic to create a page on Wikipedia?Austinwatson206 (talk) 09:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Greetings, Austinwatson206. As a geographical feature, the island is almost certainly notable, and Wikipedia would welcome an article about it. However, I notice that much of the online information about the island is related to the Vamizi Island Lodge and other vacationing opportunities. You don't want the article to focus on such matters (though it may mention them), since such an article may appear to have advertising as its principal purpose. Your primary sources of information should be things like this. Some of the references in the article Quirimbas Islands may also be of use. Deor (talk) 11:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

user contributions

Hello, I want to know if you contribute to a Wikipedia page then all of your contributions go straight to your user contributions page and can never be deleted am i right?Studentcollege (talk) 06:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Didn't you ask an almost identical question a few days ago, Studentcollege, and didn't you get the same answer then? And haven't you been warned about repetitive, disruptive questions at the Teahouse? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, yes, and yes. Studentcollege, we at the Teahouse are a patient bunch, and tend to be much nicer than most here but just be careful what you do. I notice your only user contributions are to ask the same question multiple times here. I suggest you go out and try editing, and feel free to come back here if you have any different questions after you've tried it out. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 15:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

sharing a draft among collaborators

Hello all,

I was wondering if it's possible to share an article draft among several collaborators before it is published?

Thanks!! 155.41.119.230 (talk) 17:03, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you asking about sharing an article draft in draft space? That is permitted and encouraged. I don't know whether an unregistered editor can create an article in draft space. Does someone else know? Whether or not an unregistered editor can create an article in draft space, creating an account has advantages. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep, IP editors can create drafts. To OP: To create a draft, visit the page you wish to create (i.e. Draft:YOUR TOPIC), and you should be able to create the page. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I recommend doing it via Wikipedia:Articles for creation which will give you advice on the way and create the page with a box you can use to submit it for review. All draft pages can automatically be viewed by everybody and edited by everybody except blocked users. You only have to tell others where the page is. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I posted that without signing in. I do have an account and have a draft made -- how do I go about sharing it? Thanks for the help :) Natalisky (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Natalisky: If you didn't have any particular editors in mind, I might recommend going to your subject's respective WikiProject. A WikiProject is a group of editors interested in a topic. Looking at your topic, you could bring up the draft over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics and ask for any interested editors to help out - this may or may not work, depending on if anyone is interested. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Natalisky: Good, I see you did create it via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Special:Contributions/Natalisky shows the draft is at Draft:Wiener Connector so just give others that link or the corresponding url https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wiener_Connector. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you so much to everyone! I actually have a specific set of people in mind so I'll just share the link with them.

Thanks again! Natalisky (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyright issue with regard to article C

Ella_Orr_Campbell is a recent article that I've done the majority of work. It's has been flagged for copyright infringement. I don't think I have infringed copyright. There is little published works about this renowned New Zealand botanist and I created the article from the same sources used by JSTOR global plants. I have cited those sources as well as used my own words etc. I've created the article as a whole with a new structure gathering information from as wide a variety of sources as possible, citing appropriately as I go. Given JSTOR global plants, like I did, used the used the same references it is not surprising the article is similar although it is NOT a copy nor the same. I spent hours on it. How do I argue or address this issue? Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Follow the instructions given at Ella Orr Campbell. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

If you think that the article is not a copyright violation, try discussing it with the editor who flagged it, at User talk:Justlettersandnumbers. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance.Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I've posted an example comparison at Talk:Ella Orr Campbell in order to try to explain why the article needed to be blanked and listed. Unfortunately large chunks of the article are indeed identical, and not just similar, to the source. That is not, I'm afraid, because you've used the same sources, Ambrosia10, but because you have copied their text and pasted it into Wikipedia. Which I'm afraid is against policy, and cannot be allowed. I'll post on your talk page about how to go about starting a rewrite in case you want to do that. Otherwise someone else will clean up the article, usually within a week or two, depending on the backlog (which is currently pretty dire). The really important thing is to avoid making the same mistake again; it might be useful to go through your other edits to check whether the same might have happened in other articles too. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I've left a comment on the talkpage of the article indicating that I'm currently rewriting the two sections of the article that are close paraphrasing/copying but that the rest of the article is perfectly fine. I'll post here again when I've rewritten those bits and re-launched the article. Wittylama 18:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

my topic still says it is a draft

my topic still reads it is a draft, why? thank youJulie kitchen99 (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Julie kitchen99: and welcome. I assume you mean Draft:Edwin Van Os which, at this point, is the only other thing your account has ever edited. The reason it is still listed as a "Draft" is because it is located in the "Draft" namespace. Wikipedia uses "namespaces" like other file management systems use "directories" or "file folders", a namespace indicates the type of document or page being viewed. There are lots of namespaces, such as "Talk:" (for discussing the content of an article) and "User:" (for your user page) and "File:" (for multimedia files). The "Draft:" namespace is designed for articles which people are working on, but which is not ready for publication in the "Mainspace" (articles at Wikipedia have no namespace prefix, this article space is often called the "Mainspace" at Wikipedia.) Technically, anyone can move the article to the mainspace using the move function, which every user has access to once their account has been "autoconfirmed" (to have a confirmed account, it needs to be 4 days old and have made 10 edits. Your account only has 2 edits). The "Draft:" space was created a few years ago to give articles a chance to be developed without fear of deletion; any inappropriate article in the mainspace can be deleted, often very quickly, if it doesn't meet certain minimum standards. The draft space was created to give articles, such as the one you are working on, more time to be developed without as much fear of being deleted. So, if you want it to be moved out of the "Draft" phase, you would just have to move it and change the name by deleting the "Draft:" portion. All that being said, don't do that yet. The article is clearly not ready for the mainspace just yet. For the first thing, nothing in the article is cited to any reliable sources which is a minimum standard, if you moved the article it would be deleted pretty quickly for that reason. Instead, you should continue to work on it in the draft space until it has been put together like a Wikipedia article should be. See Wikipedia:Your first article for some more guidance on creating articles at Wikipedia, and what work needs to go into doing so. I hope this all helps; be sure to click any of the bluelinks I provided if you want to learn more about those topics. --Jayron32 14:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I have added a box which is automatically added when drafts are created via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Julie kitchen99: Another thing you should add to you draft is a statement at the very top of what Edwin Van Os is important for (being a shop owner? being a gym owner?). That gives readers an idea of what the article is about. (The first thing you mention is that he attended secondary school, but I doubt that is what he is important for.) —teb728 t c 00:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Please make an article about Strelka and Belka

Strelka and Belka were the first dogs to go into outer space , circle our planet for eighteen times and return to Earth safly. 85.154.12.214 (talk) 08:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

We have a section in the article Soviet space dogs about Belka and Strelka :) Sam Walton (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

And indeed the disambiguation pages at Strelka and Belka contain links to that section of the article.--ukexpat (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Image deleted even after consent mailed

I got photographer Vithun Ravindran to mail OTRS about using his image (the full image was uploaded as File:RJ Balaji Hiphop Tamizha Adhi.jpg, and it was cropped into File:RJ Balaji Music Academy 2013.jpg), yet the cropped image was deleted while the original remains. No-one on Commons responded to this question I asked there. Can someone please explain what more I could have done to stop the deletion? Kailash29792 (talk) 07:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Kailash29792, I'm surprised that that the original has also not been deleted as a screen grab of a chat on FB [1] is not really in line with commons rules. Also saying "The licence statement can be found online at: https://www.facebook.com/vithunography" is not helpful as it contains no obvious statement of licensing. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

But now a formal mail has been sent. What now? Kailash29792 (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

If, when the email is reviewed, the permission contained therein is deemed to be acceptable, the image will be "undeleted" and tagged appropriately. The reviewers are all volunteers so you will have to be patient.--ukexpat (talk) 00:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

May I post a temporary article in celebration of a six-month-iversary?

Hi, I was hoping to write a very short parody entry on Wikipedia. The contents will be of my and my girlfriend's relationship. Obviously, that is not strictly "notable", but this is very important to me, and it would mean so much to me if the editors could overlook this article. I would post it on the date of the "anni"versary, then remove it on the next day. Would that be alright, do you think? By the way, the date of the anniversary is March 28th. 2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811 (talk) 23:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811: Technically no, but I could create a spot in the Draft: namespace for you to do that if you want. Just need to know what you want the name to be EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

You should generally avoid creating any pages that aren't related to Wikipedia's mission, regardless of whether they're in the draft namespace or not. However, if you want, you can edit some page with the parody message you want, click the "show preview" button (it's next to "save page"), take a screenshot of the preview, and then cancel the edit. --Jakob (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I personally will make an exception for this and if you wish to attack me or report me you can for it. I feel like this isn't a hard request to do, and I will {{db-author}} it afterwards, no harm done. So 2601:6:8B81:65A:3538:1FAC:F68A:6811, what should it be named? EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

The page will be deleted almost immediately by an admin. Sam Walton (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@Samwalton9: Under what criterion? Drafts are more or less exempt from quite a few, so it would last longer than you think. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought you were allowing the user to post in article space. Draft wouldn't hurt anyone I suppose. Sam Walton (talk) 10:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree per WP:NOTWEBHOST - there are plenty of free hosting services out there, just don't do it on Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 00:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

i want to get an article in Wikipedia about the letter number combination c824767

I want to find a scientist that can show significance to the letter-number combination of c824767 so that I can compose a meaningful Wikipedia article about it.

I got the idea when I recently joined Wikipedia and I falsely thought that Wikipedia asked me to compose such an article.

I did compose a relatively informal if artistically interesting article (It linked this letter-number combination to the colour purple, amongst other things) but the WikiPatroll deleted it. Invoking the "patent nonsense" Rule.

Haha. I am otherwise likely to be labelled "overeducated" and can probably swing an article, especially after looking at the German WikiSpielwiese..... C824767 (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry that your first introduction to Wikipedia might have been such a negative one. C'mon: Have a cuppa tea and a croissant. Relax. You are among friends. I am not sure of the meaning of c824767, but it might fall under the stricture of being a neologism. Read more at this Wikipedia page. Care to share some more here about this problem? Maybe we can help you. Regards, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I can understand its connection to the color purple. I would truly be interested in reading your article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madegray (talk • contribs) 06:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

It would take more than a mathematician showing some significance of C824767; his opinion would have to be published in a reliable source. That would certainly leave out the link to a particular shade of purple and the fact that it was your employee id. —teb728 t c 08:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Greetings, C824767. You have certainly come to the right place. I develop 'patent nonsense' tendencies occasionally myself, even as we inch closer to April 1st. I did find your user name as the code I needed to connect to my home internet modem, and so I do want to thank you for that. But I would like to rise to the challenge, the compassionate Teahouse hostESS that I am and offer to help find you some sources regarding your letter combination. I'll be in touch.

  Bfpage |leave a message  02:23, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Can my reference pages be added....

Hi I added some links to my site...it is for reference educational purposes only but was removed. One link has a short page that takes you to a selling website...why can theyd= have this. My page show vintage advertising so I assume wiki thinks its me advertising but its for helping to identify and date, not advertise?122.60.47.183 (talk) 03:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

What is the page that you are talking about? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Understand on Licensing

Hi this may be already been answered but i got to be honest English is not my 1st language so im having a hard time understanding the statements i need someone for a help learn about this more~ currently i had tried uploaded an image, i have sources and authors and it is acceptable but the problem is the Licensing = ( The uploader did not provide sufficient information (a valid and suitable tag) on this media's copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the file could be deleted seven days after the upload (23 March 2015). Please note that Commons does not accept files claimed under fair use. It is suggested to read the intro of Commons' licensing policy, about essential information and (in many cases) about Internet images. If you need help ask at the Commons:Help desk. ), the tag?? certainly i don't understand how to execute such thing & i wan't it on a simple way to explain it, well i apologize because this is my first time on uploading an image... BTW im using wikimediacommons.FilBox101 (talk) 02:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Now I don't know the specifics about your picture, but for the most part if you didn't take the picture and you just found it on the internet, its probably not allowed on Commons. If you haven't, read up on C:COM:L which is in multiple languages and has some basics. And if needed post why it is freely licensed on the pictures talk page, in whatever language your prefer. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Assuming you mean File:MayweatherPacquiaoPPV.jpg. Because you didn't create or it's un copy-righted for another reason, we must assume it is and it isn't allowed on Commons. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

What do I do if no sources or citations exist?

The summary speaks for itself. What do I do if say, no sources exist that were actually usable as a citation (not another wiki article)?

Cyber demigod (talk) 21:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not aim to have an article on every single thing that exists. If a topic has not been discussed in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject then Wikipedia will not have an article on that topic. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 21:33, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with our colleague LukeSur here. If there are no sources, then we can't have an article. There may be other places on the Internet that would accept the article. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hehe maybe somewhere like this enjoys no source articles. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

A question about my user page

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but...

Am I allowed to have a little humor (pictures w/ unusual captions, etc.) on my own user page? If so, do I need some sort of tag or banner to show that my user page contains humorous (and probably false) information? CabbagePotato (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

If the humor is about Wikipedia and does not attack other people, I don't see a problem. Have you read Wikipedia:User_pages? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I've just taken another look at Wikipedia:User_pages, and it says that I'm allowed to have a "small and proportionate amount of suitable unrelated material;" however, I've realized that my humor 1) has nothing to do with Wikipedia and 2) might end up taking up a majority of my user page. So I think I'll refrain from doing that. Thanks for responding to my previous comment! CabbagePotato (talk) 04:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@CabbagePotato: I've seen all sorts on Userpages from favourite cars, to funny quotes, to humourous memes. Your userspace is yours to play with, as long as there are strictly no attacks at other people/religions etc. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

If you wanted, you could also put {{user page}} on it to notify users it's a userpage. Not required, your decision. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks! CabbagePotato (talk) 04:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Help in editing my userpage

Hello,

I am trying to edit my userpage and I like everything except one thing, The Context Bar. It stands off from all the others. I have seen many users with no context bar. Can anyone of the kind fellows help me?

Thanks a lot Komchi^✉_☆ 22:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Komchi, welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean the table of contents then you can remove it with the code __NOTOC__ (double underscore on each side). See more at Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

ok and thank you Prime Hunter Komchi^✉_☆ 06:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I have the opposite problem. When I use the mobile beta on a smartphone, my talk page has no table of contents in it, even though it does have the __TOC__ magic word in it. It shows up perfectly well in the desktop view. --Thnidu (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@Thnidu: The mobile version never displays a table of contents on talk pages. The idea is to save space but I'm sometimes surprised by how much is omitted in mobile. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: (Grrrrumble.) Sensible as default; indefensible as unchangeable. Time for a bug report. Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93551 --Thnidu (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: "I'm sometimes surprised by how much is omitted in mobile." Oh yes, I know a thing or to about that. I could name about 10 things like that off the top of my head. DangerousJXD (talk) 05:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Want to upload a profile of real estate company

Hi guys,

I have been repeatedly uploading information about famous rela estate company in India, but it is been pulled down everytime I do so.

Can someone please help me??

Mihir K88 (talk) 07:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Mihir K88. Wikipedia does not have profiles of companies. Instead it has encyclopedic articles about notable subjects, written from a neutral point of view. Ambi Parameswaran was deleted because it was unambiguously promotional, and because at least some versions were copied from http://www.draftfcbulka.in/peoples/m-g-parameswaran-advisor, a copyrighted website. If you want to try again, write a neutral article in your own words based on significant coverage in independent reliable sources. I see you are writing about Tata Value Homes at Articles for creation; AfC would be a good idea for Ambi Parameswaran too. More generally please read Wikipedia:Your first article. —teb728 t c 07:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and don't repeatedly recreate deleted articles; that will only lead to having the title protected against creation. —teb728 t c 08:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Changing the displayed title

Hi - I would like to change the name of the Wikipedia site My Bubba to My bubba with a lowercase b. Their real name for the band is My bubba and not My Bubba. I have tried to change it using the DISPLAYEDTITLE, but it does not work. Can someone help me out? Thanks!Annika Christensen (talk) 09:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Annika Christensen. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. —teb728 t c 09:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Minimum viable article

I posted a small article today about a topic that I'm currently researching. I thought Ill start small add to it as I go, and hopefully other people will be interested in a topic. It got deleted - could it be 1. Because it was too short about 3 short paragraphs. 2. Didn't have reference link to where I got the information from (though I added "according to source") 3. Didn't contain links to related topics 4. Was not a part of category (I'm not sure how to add articles within a category) 5. Was too similar to something I didn't find.

It's a first time I'm submitting an article. I'd like it to be on Wikipedia and I think it's relevant. If anyone can point me at the place I can find answers to my questions, something like "common reasons for articles not to pass revision" I would appreciate that.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by J32804 (talk • contribs) 02:11, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, J32804. Your draft User:J32804/Distributed Application has not been deleted; it has been declined as an acceptable article, but the draft is still there. Both there and on your own talk page there is a message explaining that it is not adequately supported by reliable sources. As a general rule every single piece of information in an article needs to be individually referenced to a reliable published source.

DAppsFund might qualify as a such a source, but it would need to be used as a reference (see Referencing for beginners) supporting one or more specific statements in the article, not as a generalised external link. However there might also be a problem with that source, as it doesn't talk much about "Distributed applications" at all, but about "Decentralized applications". (I realise these might be different terms for the same thing, but the article needs to use the wording in its sources, and if it uses different terms, justify this with reference to other reliable sources). But the article would also need to find other published sources, independent of DappsFund, which discuss "distributed applications", in order to show that this is not just a bit of jargon used by one organisation, but a phrase which has been discussed more widely in the literature. --ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

How to upload profile

Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

"Ask a question "how to upload profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman lama moktan tamang (talk • contribs) 10:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Aman lama moktan tamang. Wikipedia doesn't have profiles, but I'm guessing that you want to create an article about somebody. Please read your first article, and be aware that Wikipedia only accepts articles about subjects (including people) who have already been written about at length in reliable published sources such as major newspapers. If you can find several substantial articles about the person, then it is worth writing an article about them, but if such sources don't exist, then there is no point in trying. If the person you want to write an article about is yourself, or somebody close to you, then you are strongly discouraged from doing so: please see autobiography for why. --ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

How do I go about creating a new article?

Where do I find the detailsSleighmaker (talk) 15:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi and welcome! The Wikipedia:Article wizard is a good place to start. Remember it must have References or it may be Speedy deleted. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 15:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse. I have put a number of links on your user talk page, including WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

using a template as part of a statement

Hello,

I have received messages reminding me to sign my posts on talk pages, which I am aware about. Sometimes, though, I add templates in the same section as my message, which automatically signs my name. In many cases, the template appears as part of a sentence I am saying, such as:

... For these reasons I would like to suggest a: {[subst:requested move}}...

The IP user sending me the reminder placed an unsigned template after the incomplete statement, before the actual requested move template, i.e.

... For these reasons I would like to suggest a: {{subst:unsigned}} {{subst:requested move}}...

The unsigned signature makes it clear who added the text preceding the RM template, but seems to interrupt the flow of the sentence and the seamless transition from the statement to the RM. So, my question is this: is this how the post is to be signed? Or is the unsigned template not necessary as per above?

Thank you for your time, <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 14:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If I'm looking at the same place that you are, the tagging as unsigned was not in the part of the section before the template, but where you had also inserted text in the previous section but not signed it, see this diff. The user who tagged it as unsigned had made the same point previously, at User talk:Some Gadget Geek#If you post in two different sections on a talk page, each needs a signature. If you were referring to a different situation, perhaps you could tell us where? - David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Right, edits like [2] are confusing. A talk edit is expected to be within a single section and not be signed in the next section. Beware of this if you use templates which create a section heading such as {{requested move}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Problem

I recently received notification my page was patrolled on Wikipedia, I am confused though because the page is User:Ραφ13π, so why I have been notified of it being patrolled when it is someone elses userpage, can you help me? I'm really not sure what is going on. TeaLover1996 (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi TeaLover1996. You were notified as the page creator.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, Are you sure, I thought I might be in trouble for something. TeaLover1996 Lets talk about it 15:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@TeaLover1996: I'm sure. The page history shows you created the page. A patrol notification just means somebody checked the page and found it to be ok and not something like vandalism or spam. See meta:Help:Patrolled edit. In this case the page creation was an accident but you made it ok by blanking. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Sports tournament template

Greetings, Wikipedians. I found a template, Template:32TeamBracket-NoSeeds, that wasn't being used in any article. It was a nice fit for the 2015 CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament article. So I made modifications to it. No documentation page existed for the template. So I made one. I included therein a comprehensive example to illustrate its use. There is an odd problem with the way one item displays in the fourth and fifth illustrations of the example. Towson's score of 73 floats to the top of the box rather than being in the middle. In the sixth example that includes another item displayed which shares a row with this, the problem disappears. I haven't been able to determine the cause. Hopefully, a super template coder will check it out and find the problem right away. I'm concerned that it might be indicative of other problems with the template. Thanks for any help provided. Taxman1913 (talk) 05:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Special:Expandtemplates shows the example produces two blank lines after "73" so that cell becomes too high:

| rowspan="2" style="border:1px solid #aaa;" bgcolor="#f9f9f9" align="center"|73


|-

If you code the template to give at most one blank line then it works. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I was able to fix it. Taxman1913 (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Do editors have any recourse against arbitrary deletions citing the notability rule?

Note to Administrators (16:01, 24 March 2015)

I feel that this question and answer set has become long, unwieldy, and does not contain information that others would find useful. I humbly request your permission to remove this content and i bow to your Buddha nature.--Xyzerb (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Not a question for administrators. Threads like this are of value for other readers. It will be archived and deleted in due course. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your speedy reply. I will not delete this content and will instead wait for its archival and deletion in due course. --Xyzerb (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

If you look at the parameters of the archiving call at the top of this page, you'll see that it is set to 3 days. This counts from the date of the most recent message in the thread. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Local businesses in Charlotte, NC have very little representation on Wikipedia, even within the confines of "Businesses based in Charlotte, NC". The current documentation in Wikipedia for notability seems highly subjective.

For example, a few links from a trade rag are enough to satisfy the notability requirement for Girl Candy Films, but even creating a stub for a medical research company like OrthoCarolina is countered with a speedy deletion plus the nominal effort required to cite rule A7.

I can understand deleting the stub if I was trying to inject OrthoCarolina into the Fortune 500 list or list it somewhere other than within the scope of "Businesses based in Charlotte, NC". But within that scope, there's no denying that it's notable and at least on par with Girl Candy Films.

Do editors have any recourse against highly subjective deletions of their work? Why wouldn't admins at least extend the common courtesy of telling me to create a copy of my work before deleting the article, edit history, and talk page?

References

[A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events)]

[OrthoCarolina]

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Xyzerb (talk) 15:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

New editors are advised to use the Articles for Creation process as a draft rather than creating new articles in mainspace. It appears that your complaint is that you created the article in mainspace, it was deleted, and now you don't have a copy of it. You can get a copy of it at Requests for Undeletion, and then work on it in user space. Your use of your user page to complain about admin abuse does not help your case. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I wasn't aware of the draft process. However, as far as admin abuse goes, deleting work rather than moving it to a user "special" page definitely qualifies as abuse. I could be wrong--perhaps admins don't have the ability to do such a thing. I suspect that anyone would be annoyed if I deleted their work. For example, if I somehow had the power to delete articles, would most of Wikipedia be unhappy if I deleted an article along with all previous versions and talk history?--Xyzerb (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Administrator abuse is generally considered to be the use of administrative tools in an unfair or biased way. Deleting articles that qualify for deletion under criteria for speedy deletion is a proper, not an improper, use of those tools. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

So deleting a person's work rather than moving it is OK? Would it not be better to tell someone "Your article doesn't meet the requirements for inclusion in the main space, so I moved it to your user page. Address the problems I identified, ask for help on Teahouse, and then resubmit it once it's ready."--Xyzerb (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Xyzerb, if you had made the article using the process of Wikipedia:Articles for creation, the article would have been reviewed and you would have received feedback on it and it wouldn't have been immediately deleted. Creating an article right in the main space of the encyclopedia (or in user space and moving it there), makes it subject to the Wikipedia:New pages patrol who reviews new articles and marks ones that meet Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Once an article has been judged to merit speedy deletion (and any editor can mark an article with a CSD tag), an admin reviews the article to see if it was correctly tagged. If the admin agrees, the article is deleted. But the editor who created it can ask for the article to be "userfy" and moved to their user space. This is usually accommodated unless there are other concerns like copyright violation or violations of WP:BLP. What you might keep in mind is that every day, thousands of articles are created, many of them self-promotional or complete gibberish and the NPP serves to get rid of them otherwise Wikipedia would be clogged up with inappropriate material but it's a constant effort to remove these articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. KylieTastic led me through the process, explained what I was doing wrong, and soothed my chapped...demeanor. I wish that my initial attempts were assumed to be in good faith, but I understand considering the circumstances. Please consider all these questions resolved and feel free to close/archive/delete it if you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzerb (talk • contribs) 23:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

• There is a warning when creating an article is the main space and it suggests creating in another place first. Also usually articles that are speedily deleted have not a lot of content to save, or are not likely to be able to meet Notability. However the article is not actually gone, if you want to keep working on your deleted article, leave a message on the administrators talk page that deleted it, and ask for them to copy it to your user area or the draft area. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful advice. I'm glad to hear my work can be recovered.--Xyzerb (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, rather than complaining about admin abuse, you can directly contact the administrator who deleted the article. That is, if you want to listen rather than just to complain. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Did you check to see if I contacted them or are you just making an assumption? I contacted them and 1 of the 4 was very helpful.--Xyzerb (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory. It appears that you think that Wikipedia should be a directory, and so should list local businesses. Wikipedia is not a directory but an encyclopedia, and articles should be based on notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:31, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Notability matters, but the same rules should apply for everyone. Do you have any input as to why Girl Candy Films merits a listing with a handful of links from a trade publication vs OrthoCarolina with a handful of links from well-known newspapers and journals? It seems that the current process allows admins to approve or delete articles at a whim vs using objective criteria.--Xyzerb (talk) 17:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

If you think that an article does not meet the notability criteria, you can nominate the article for deletion via Articles for Deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

You missed my point. It's not that Girl Candy Films isn't notable, it's that OrthoCarolina is at least as notable.--Xyzerb (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

• Xyzerb you make claims we can not help with because we can not see the references you added. As for Girl Candy Films a quick Google shows lots of hits from sites not related to company, this does not appear to be true for OrthoCarolina. However there are some, the first news article I noticed was [4]. KylieTastic (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

A fair point. I've found tons of examples in the last few minutes: [5] and [6] --Xyzerb (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, KylieTastic. You have been kind where others were dismissive and you've restored my faith in the process. I'll remove my gripes about the administration from my userpage and I look forward to continuing to make contributions in the future.--Xyzerb (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Just want to add a few things. Notability, in this particular case "Notability for Companies and Organizations", is not going to be established by trying to argue that other stuff exists. Notability is best established by showing that the company has received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. In this context, "significant" refers to the type of coverage received, not necessarily the amount of coverage received. It's possible to find lots of mentions of a company through a Google search, but many of these mentions might be considered trivial per "Depth of coverage". Another thing to try and understand is that we editors do not own the articles we create or edit. In other words, it's not "our work". Once something is added to the article namespace, it's pretty much there for anyone to edit. This means that no editor, not even the article's creator, has any sort of editorial control over what goes into an article beyond what is spelled out in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Wikipedia has to be neutral which pretty much ensures that any significant negative coverage a company has received in independent reliable sources (stuff like these [7]) is likely to eventually find it's way into the company's article. Having a Wikipedia article can be a double-edged sword in some unexpected ways. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. That seems notable to me, but I'm a horrible judge of such things. Added it to Draft:Draft: OrthoCarolina--Xyzerb (talk) 05:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

LOL--OK, now even my draft page has been marked for "speedy deletion". However, I've learned from past mistakes and I now have a script that saves my work to Sublime every 30 sec.--Xyzerb (talk) 05:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Is this "speedy deletion" bit just an overactive bot script? Is it OK to have unfinished work that's not ready for submission on a draft page?--Xyzerb (talk) 05:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Xyzerb: Please see Draft talk:Draft: OrthoCarolina for what I think might have happened. Also, I took a look at your userpage. It might be a good idea for you to read through "What may I not have in my user pages?" for a general overview. More specifically, I suggest taking a look at "Opinion pieces" and "User pages that look like articles". Users are given quite a bit of latitude when it comes to their user pages, but user pages which do not comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines can be deleted by an administrator. Good luck with your editing. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I was not aware that my userpage could not look like an article or contain opinions. I have removed all content from my userpage and will host that content elsewhere.--Xyzerb (talk) 08:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I have sterilized my previous content and my new user and talk page is free of formatting and opinion. Please let me know if I should make any additional edits.--Xyzerb (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)