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Can I have two or more sandbox pages at the same time? Merchant of Asia (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse, Merchant of Asia. All pages starting User:Merchant of Asia are effectively your sandboxes. This includes User:Merchant of Asia, User:Merchant of Asia/sandbox, User:Merchant of Asia/sandbox 2, User:Merchant of Asia/sandbox 3, User:Merchant of Asia/Sandbox, User:Merchant of Asia/, User:Merchant of Asia/Name of an Article you're writing, User:Merchant of Asia/scratchpad, and many more. The special page Special:PrefixIndex/User:Merchant of Asia will be an automatically complied list of all of those that are currently in use (doesn't included deleted ones). Stuartyeates (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.--Merchant of Asia (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@Merchant of Asia, a minor but important correction, your "main" user page User:Merchant of Asia shoul not be used as a sandbox, only sub-pages of it should be used for writing article drafts. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

How to create a draft

I know it's probably really obvious but I've been to AfC and I don't know how to create a draft. Rubbish computer (talk) 22:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rubbish computer. Start with "Click here to create an article now!" at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. After several more clicks you should get a choice between creating a draft and creating a new article directly. If you don't reach that choice then what is the page name when you get stuck, and what was the last thing you clicked to get there? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you @Primehunter. I have not yet decided on a particular article but was asking this for future reference.

Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts infobox picture

The infobox picture needs to be changed, it's concept art pictures. The attraction opened in July 2014 and now it is April 2015 and there still isn't a picture of the actual ride and not just concept art. Tom the Bergeron (talk) 23:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tom the Bergeron. The solution is simple. Go to the Universal Studios theme park in Orlando, and be sure to take a good digital camera along with you. Ride "Harry Potter and the Escape from Gringotts", the amusement park attraction in question, and take lots of photos. Upload the best of your photos to Wikimedia Commons, and add the very, very best of them to the article. Done deal!

You see, this is a volunteer project, and it is bad form to say that something "needs" to be done, implying that someone else should do it. Just do it yourself. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

How to cite information gathered from private email correspondence

Is it possible to write a bio entry based upon lengthy email correspondence with the subject in question?

If so , how should the emails be cited?

Mark Anthony Kerr (talk) 20:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Except in very unusual circumstances, those emails would be primary sources, which can't be used in encyclopaedia building, since we're restricted to secondary and tertiary sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Even given the restrictions on primary sources, such correspondence cannot be used at all unless it has been previously published by a reliable source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

If your subject is important, I would look around for another website or WP:Reliable source to get your information out to the world. Wikipedia is the biggest copycat in the world and not a purveyor of WP:Original research. Blogs don't count. Also, you have to be sure your guy or gal is actually WP:Notable. You do this by getting him or her famous in other places besides Wikipedia. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

No it's not possible to write a bio entry on this material or even to use it at all. Among other problems of provenance, those emails are not published, and all sources we use and cite to support an article must be published and available to our readers to check themselves (that does not mean they have to be online at all, but they must be publicly available, such as in a library). Regarding the fact that it's a primary source (and if it was a published one), that would present a problem (though not for the reasons Stuartyeates said [Stuart, sorry but what you stated is just incorrect]), because primary sources can generally only be used for straightforward descriptive statements of facts, and not for any analysis, synthesis or interpretive claims, so their use is limited. Also, they do nothing to establish notablity. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Image from magazine

Can screenshots from a Magazine be uploaded? Thanks Yckaustubh (talk) 16:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Yckaustubh
In short - No - they will be copyright - Please see Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright - Arjayay (talk) 16:48, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yckaustubh. The answer above is correct in a large majority of cases. There are exceptions, though. If you are into old magazines, then please be aware that copyright has expired on any magazine, book or newspaper published in the U.S. before 1923, and rules are similar for most other countries. So magazine images that old are fine to upload to Wikimedia Commons. Another exception is that we allow non-free portraits of people who have died, if no free image is available. Those images should be uploaded here on Wikipedia, not to Wikimedia Commons, for use only in that single biography. Please see WP:NFCI #10 for details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi.

I am a bit try on ideas, so I want to know if there is some ongoing Wikipedia issue that I could help with. Any ideas? Zeke Essiestudy (talk) 01:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Zeke Essiestudy: Welcome! WP:BACKLOG is always full of stuff that needs doing sometime or another. Browse through it and see if there is something you might enjoy. Good luck! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

The backlog contains lots of articles that need necessary fixes. But you can also narrow your search down to a field that corresponds to your interests by finding the right WikiProject(s) to join. The general WP directory can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory or, for example, the WikiProjects involved with culture can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture. Often times WikiProjects have lists of articles that need attention. But remember, these directories list all WikiProjects that have been created and they might not all be active.

Alternatively, instead of focusing in on your interests, you could look at specific tasks. You could go through the Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy and learn how to fight vandalism on the project or look over Wikipedia:Maintenance. There is really no limit on areas that could use some extra help! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I make a page about a group in a game

Hello,

I was just trying to make a wikipedia page about my group in a game, and it has gotten deleted for being about a group. I was only looking to create the page to educate new members of our group about how it is structured and important facts about the game. This information can be used by all players of the game, and is not solely for a few people's pleasure. Am I somehow breaking Wikipedia's rules by making this?

Thanks A Word of Wisdom (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are, A Word of Wisdom. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which means it contains (or should contain) only articles on subject which several people unconnected with the subject have already written about, and published in reliable places. Once your group has been the subject of two or three articles in major newspapers or wide-circulation magazines, then there could be an article about it (though you should not be the one writing it, as you may have a conflict of interest); until then, no. See WP:What Wikipedia is not. --ColinFine (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

A Word of Wisdom, it sounds like your page might be more suited on a site that focuses in on your game. Try a site like Wikia where you can create a wiki that is devoted to your interest and it can contain whatever content you want. Or search Wikia, because there might already be a wiki that exists on the game that you can add your material to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Article existed in Stub status

Hi, I have written an article and would like to post it. I saw another article with the same status already exist, but it is in "stub" status. What does that mean? How can I post my article online if this article already existed? Please advice.

HafizAzizi91 (talk) 09:03, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@HafizAzizi91: When an existing article exists your job is to improve that article. There is no need to create a fresh article. Just make edits that comply with the rules to the existing article. Fiddle Faddle 10:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources issue

Hi there,

I am creating a page for a public figure - Alastair Lukies CBE - I have been following in the press and I've had my page, which I feel is both notable and unbiased has been rejected. This is the first page I've created but it's so difficult I don't know if I'll be creating any more for a while.

I've cited articles on this individual from Reuters and national newspapers - what constitutes reliable if publicly available media stories aren't relaiable?

Thank you!

Tidswesa (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your problem is that you haven't included any references at all. You have included external links which aren't permitted in the body of the text. To see how to include references, see WP:Referencing for beginners. That is one of the links given in the feedback on your user talk page and on your draft. The words in blue in those messages are wikilinks to pages which you should find helpful. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

How do I change the TITLE of an article

I was creating a biographical article and didn't capitalize the person's last name. Is there any way to edit the title of an article? Decomplexe (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Somebody just did a redirect from the correct name. Thank you Wikipedia sages! Decomplexe (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem Decomplexe, I fixed it. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 18:56, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Can anyone help update company page?

Hi all!

I'm new to updating Wikipedia and am becoming quickly aware of the conflict of interest rules. The wikipedia page for our company, Spin Master Ltd. is in need of a bit of an update and overhaul so I'm wondering what would be the best way of getting that updated to reflect our latest products, corporate milestones, and latest news. Even simple edits like adding an updated company logo would be great! Most of the info can be found on our corporate website: www.spinmaster.com

Any support would be much appreciated!

Thanks! Josh Tucker, Spin Master PR Manager JPTucker (talk) 18:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

JPTucker hello and welcome to The Teahouse. The company logo is an easy one. You can upload a low-resolution version and in the company article, it qualifies as fair use.

The rest of the additions are a little more complicated. It is preferred, especially for controversial information, that you supply us with independent reliable sources with a neutral point of view. If your company already has an article, using your company's web site as a source is less of a problem, but there would be more scrutiny of any edits based on that.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, JPTucker. Your company's website can be used for uncontroversial factual data like dates and places; but not for anything the least bit evaluative, or that you company has no particular reason to know reliably (for example any superlative: biggest, oldest, newest). Independent sources are always preferred. But whether the source is independent or not, you are strongly advised to suggest improvements on the talk page (with references) rather than to apply them directly to the article. --ColinFine (talk)

Misspelled name in biographical article

How does one change a misspelling in the title of a biographical article? The article in question is currently listed as "Tzuriel Rafael." The person in question, however, spells his name "Tsuriel Raphael." {{subst:signed|Zozoulia}} {{time}} (talk) 14:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome! I am having it moved to Tzuriel Refael according to BBC source (BBC). Hope this helps. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 15:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

No, the BBC is incorrect. Google both versions. "Tsuriel Raphael" yields 3,890 unique links but Tzuriel Rafael yields only 399.

He himself spelled it Tsuriel Raphael in an article he wrote for the Los Angeles Times in 1991. See http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-25/local/me-1145_1_settlements-territories-arab-countries

The U.S. State Department spelled it TSURIEL RAPHAEL when he was stationed there. See https://books.google.co.il/books?id=KLAXc2H09qEC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=%22Tsuriel+Raphael%22&source=bl&ots=fvf4PMXNy8&sig=t9iLp_lutJL6M1J5Qwlw3aF0RZg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB41VavEB8ToaPPKgOgF&ved=0CEMQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=%22Tsuriel%20Raphael%22&f=false

Finally, I have his business card. It's TSURIEL RAPHAEL. {{subst:signed|Zozoulia}} {{time}} (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Page now at Tsuriel Raphael (after a diversion into Wikipedia space). JohnCD (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Problems with editiong

How does one get rid of this damn annoying orange pointed block while typing?

I ran I to problems my first time being new to this. There was an article someone sent me on KFI radio, knowing I once worked there. Well, it was a very long history but I noticed a few things mission g and had info on the place. Being new, and seeing nothing at the site in the way of a tutorial, I signed on, created an account and after a few Firefox crashes I managed to edit. However, with no warning the article I was commenting on and adding to, suddenly covered up what I was trying to write and also turned blue. I could not see what or where I was writing. It took several tries to finish the task. Haven't a clue what happened or why it did that several times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzbeauxinlovingmemory (talk • contribs)

Are you editing from a mobile device or from a computer? Are you using a browser? which one? Does the orange block say anything or is it just color?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Jazzbeauxinlovingmemory hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I would recommend WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:30, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Reloading the user sandbox

I want to edit an article I have posted but need to repair and improve. However, I already have a completed article in my sandbox that has already been saved and posted. how do I get rid of the material in the sandbox and put the existing article needing improvement in my sandbox?50.142.159.190 (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

As you are not currently logged in, I cannot see your sandbox or it's content, but for future references you simply remove all content from the page by editing it and deleting it. You may also want to put the {{User sandbox}} at the top. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 18:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

We don't know your situation since you haven't given a link or username but it's possible your sandbox has become a redirect to an article. If that is the case then see Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects. If you post the username then we can also do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

First article attempt

Hello everyone! I attempted to submit my first Wikipedia article "Anthony Morgan (Comedian)", which wasn't deemed acceptable. The person in question was a household name in Australia for a period of time and I believe worthy of an article, but I'm inexperienced in creating articles, so the information and references I've provided are inadequate. Any specific feedback or help with editing to make it acceptable would be greatly appreciated. I don't have a great deal of free time at the moment unfortunately.

Thanks :) Eee 78 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Eee 78 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I just looked at the article briefly and don't know that much about accepting and rejecting drafts. For terms like "infamous" and "explosive and confrontational", you would really have to be quoting a reliable source. The article should be neutral. Also, where you have a quote, the source should be immediately after the quote.

While I'm sure this wouldn't affect whether the article gets accepted, since it would be easy enough to do, you should of course [[link]] to any other Wikipedia article that a person might want to look at.

It's not clear from what you have written exactly what makes Mr. Morgan "a household name". It's possible you would have to find sources that are not online which would make it harder for us to see them. On the other hand, all sorts of older information is being made available online, and the idea would be to find those sources.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:06, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Quick link for possible additional source to mine from: Trove search--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Watching

Hello good ol' Teahouse. When I watch a user's talk page, their user page is automatically put on my watchlist too. Is this normal? Every case (15 or so times), I don't care about their user page changing and I'm just waiting for a reply. Another thing: is there a specific way to use the Watchlist? I sort of feel like I'm using it wrong. I check it at least once a day and when I do I check out the pages that have changed that I feel like looking at. There is 22 on there but I only see about 15; where's the rest? This may be written poorly... —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @DangerousJXD: I know for a fact that an article page will be automatically added to a watchlist if you add its talk page; I think it's the same for user pages/user talk pages. Also, I've never really heard of a "proper" way to use the watchlist; after all, you aren't required to use it or anything. Personally, I usually add pages to my watchlist if I'm expecting a reply from another user's own talk page or if I'm in the process of editing an article and want to keep a link to it for convenience.

You asked in your question, "There is 22 on there but I only see about 15; where's the rest?" I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but I'm guessing that "22" is the number of pages you added to your watchlist and "15" is the amount that shows up when you open it up. There should be a link at the top that says "View and edit watchlist" (a link to Special:EditWatchlist) that lets you see all of your added pages.

Hope this was helpful, CabbagePotato (talk) 08:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: See Help:Watching pages and Wikipedia:Hide Pages in Watchlist. The latter shows a way to hide watchlist entries for the non-talk page or the talk page but it's a bit cumbersome. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, DangerousJXD, only 15 pages showed up because the others didn't receive any edits (had no activity). You can set your Watchlist for different periods of time. Mine is set for edits from the past 72 hours. You can also purge your Watchlist of edits after you have reviewed the ones you want to examine. You can take a page off of your Watchlist either by editing it, as PrimeHunter mentioned, or if you look at View History at the top of the page? To the right is a little star, if it is white and you click on it, it will turn blue and the page will be added to your Watchlist. To take a page off your Watchlist, click it and it should turn white again.

By the way, ordinarily, every time you edit a page, it is added to your Watchlist. So, if you place an edit on a busy page you don't have a lot of interest in, take a second, click on the blue star and you won't have the activity filling up your Watchlist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Woah. That's the best result I've gotten for any question here ever! Such terrific answers! Thank you all. –DangerousJXD (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I need help getting an article approved

Hi

I have tried to submit an article and it has been rejected becuase it sounds promotional. All I have written in the article are basic things that person has done so I don't know how much more I can edit it to make it sound less promotional. What can I do?Dawsonvj (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Dawsonvj hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Efrem Smith has already been deleted. You have to ask for it to be reinstated as a user draft, which you do by going to WP:REFUND. If you are successful, someone can look at the article and recommend improvments.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is a draft:

Please do not paste your draft material here

Efrem Smith is the President and CEO of World Impact,[1] a Christian missions organization committed to the church-planting movement in the inner city.[2] Besides being the CEO of World impact, Smith is also a motivational speaker and preacher internationally on the subjects of leadership, multi-ethnic issues and development of the Christian community.[3] Efrem Smith is the President and CEO of World Impact,[4] a Christian missions organization committed to aiding the church-planting movement in the inner city.[2] Besides being the CEO of World impact, Smith is also a well-known motivational speaker and preacher internationally on the subjects of leadership, multi-ethnic issues and development of the Christian community.[3] Education Smith graduated from Saint John's University and Luther Theological Seminary.[5] Career Roles Smith has held positions with various church and para church organizations, as well as with community foundations. As far as churches, Smith has served as the founding pastor of The Sanctuary Covenant Church .[6] and is involved in community foundations as he was formerly the President of the Sanctuary Community Development Corporation in Minneapolis, Minnesota and the superintendent of the Pacific Southwest Conference of the Evangelical Covenant Church.[6] Currently, Smith serves as the President and CEO of World Impact as his full-time ministry and is an itinerant speaker for Forge: Kingdom Building Ministries.[7] Speaking Engagements As a motivational speaker with Kingdom Building Ministries, Smith has been a keynote speaker for Together LA,[8] the Urban Youth Worker's Institute Convention,[9] Flavor Fest,[10] Willow Creek Association [11] and Exponential Conferences.[12] Books Some of Smith's books inlcude Raising Up Young Heroes, The Hip-Hop Church, and The Post-Black and Post-White Church. "Raising Up Young Heroes" This book is about changing the lives of youth and empowering them to change their world. Smith gives the reader a holistic view of youth ministry from the physical to spiritual and emotional. Dispersed throughout his book are Smith's experiences with youth ministry and how one can enter into a youth's hip-hop culture to help them know Jesus.[13] "The Hip Hop Church" In this book Smith and Phil Jackson take a look into how the hip hop culture and the church can partner up to reach a generation with the gospel. They offer ideas from their own urban churches and how to converge rap into the church through rap, break dancing and deejays.[14] "Jump" Jump is about what it means to be catalysts of compassion, reconciliation and transformation in the world. Smith gives the reader insight on how they can jump with faith into a deeper relationship with God.[15] "The Post-Black and Post-White Church" Smith in the Post-Black and Post-White Church goes into how to create a multi-ethnic Christian community. He also gives the reader practical advice as well as examples of successful multi-ethnic churches.[16] Personal Smith resides in the Bay area with his wife Donecia and two daughters.[17]World Impact (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, World Impact. This is not the place for a draft, but Dawsonvj, you can copy the above information to User:Dawsonvj/Efrem Smith. Instead of the numbers, you put your sources between <ref> and </ref> and the references will be shown at the end automatically.

Headings ("Career roles", "Books", and "Jump") go between == and ==.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Empty (populated place) article

What should be done about this,Kasel? The page includes its district and country and it can be assumed that it is a settlement but I genuinely have no idea what to do about it. Rubbish computer (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer:I revised the header to scope the discussion. There have been a number of attempts to resolve the notion of what makes a populated place or geographical location notable and the question has not been resolved to date (e.g. Wikipedia:Notability (populated places) and Wikipedia:Notability (Geographic locations)). There are a large number of short articles about places and there is little appetite for mass deletion or merger of them ... and attempts in recent years to mass create new location stub sets have been frowned upon ... meaning that the overall population of location articles is at present rising slowly.

In any specific case, as the one you brought up here, my answer would be "improve it"; there are a number of articles in other languages and the sources there can be used here (with recognition of our sourcing policies), despite their being non-English sources. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ceyockey: Thank you. Rubbish computer (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Perhaps you were especially concerned about the version [1] at the time of your post. Fuhghettaboutit examined the page history [2] and reverted to a 2014 pre-vandalism version which at least had a sentence putting the subject in context. That is usually considered sufficient for a settlement. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I should have reviewed the page's history. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Where did my rewrite go?

I rewrote the plot synopsis of the pilot of Masters of Sex and inserted it this morning. When I looked for it tonight, it was gone. Did I do something wrong?Grayline88s (talk) 03:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Grayline88s, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see that you made five edits to Masters of Sex (season 1) recently. These were mostly a rewrite of the Pilot summary, roughly doubling its size. The another editor called Drovethrughosts over-wrote that, undoing your changes, without leaving a comment to explain why. So I suggest you start a discussion thread on the article's Talk page, outlining what change you suggest and why. Ping Drovethrughosts or leave a message on his User Talk page, inviting him to contribute his reasons for reverting the page. Once the two of you and any other interested authors reach a consensus, the change can go ahead.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Grayline88s. I saw from your edit summary that part of your rewrite was to remove spoilers. This has been discussed at great length and the consensus is that we don't do this. Please see Wikipedia:Spoiler. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding a PDF file or a link to PDF file to an article as a referense

Good day!

I wrote an article about Stormy Atmosphere, a prog-metal band from Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stormy_Atmosphere
The article was declined because the band didn't seem notable to one of the moderators. I was asked to bring a proof of notability, so I did my research and found that in 2009 the band was reviewed by a famous British magazine "Fireworks", which is enough to match a notability criteria, I believe. I contacted the magazine online and asked for a link to the review, they told me that there're no online copies from that year, but after I insisted and begged for it, they sent me a PDF file of the review. It's actually a review of many bands, including world-famous, and Stormy Atmosphere got a respectful cut in the article, because they released their first album that year and it was rated quite high in a web. The problem is that it's a PDF file, and I have no idea how I should add it to the article! I actually tried to upload it as a JPEG, but it was deleted by one of the moderators almost immediately... So that's where I need your help - please advice me on that issue, for this review will legitimate my article.

Thanks a lot in advance, Silverray123 (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Silverray123. One review does not notability make, but, there's no problem with citing it without any link to it. You can't upload it because it's a copyright violation to do so – you don't own the content so have no right to upload it. However, we don't require sources to be online or linked, just published and available to anyone who wants to check it for verifiability. Since this is a published magazine the source is the paper issue which can be obtained in a library, on back issue or otherwise. See WP:SOURCEACCESS. When you do cite it with full attribution, e.g., providing the date, title, author, page number, name of magazine etc., maybe using the template {{cite journal}} between <ref>...</ref> tags, I suggest including in it a piped link to our article on the magazine, like this [[Fireworks (magazine)|Fireworks]]. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

"+ or -" signs and numbers on the individual Contribution page meanings?

Brand new here. Got a teahouse invite and was glad that I could ask about the numbers on my contribution page. The ones by the "diff | history" entries. What exactly do they signify? Thanks! Mrjoeyman (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Mrjoeyman, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. The +/- is the number of bytes added or removed from an article overall, which is just the technical term for how much was added or removed from an article. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 18:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mrjoeyman: Expanding a little on the above in case there is doubt, it's the difference in the total size before and after the edit. (+200) could for example be the result of adding 300 characters in one place, removing 100 in another, and rewriting a sentence in a third place without changing its length. See more at Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Handy dandy shortcut at WP:+-.--ukexpat (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

When a page you have is patrolled

When a page you have (article or your own sandbox) is patrolled, what does it mean? Alicia leo86 (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Alicia leo86:I believe new users are put on "patrols" or lists (think a to do list) to see if there is anyone breaking the major rules. I've had some periodically and I'm in the first half a year on here. IamM1rv (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Patrolling refers to the new page patrol process which is a giant list of all pages created by people without the autopatrolled right (almost all users). Experienced editors go through this list and make sure that the article conforms to wikipedia's many policies, such as notability and the guidelines on promotional material. I'm involved with the process, so if you have any more questions I'm happy to answer! Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Winner 42 Thank you! But why would your very own sandbox would be patrolled? Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Alicia leo86: While not a priority, sandboxes can be patrolled to make sure that they don't contain spam. Sometimes editors will find your sandbox one way or another and patrol it. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Winner 42 Okay, thank you. Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Another redirect problem

I created the redirect adenocyst to Adenoid cystic carcinoma but I am not sure if this is a correct redirect, as the wording in the lead is difficult here; the wording may have meant 'Adenocyst carcinoma', which I have based some of the other redirects to this page on. Adenocystoma also redirects to a different page, Cystadenoma and I am now confused. Thank you and ping me with the answer. Rubbish computer (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Did this ever get worked out? -- IamM1rv (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@IamM1rv: No Rubbish computer (talk) 15:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: - I am not willing to make changes, if you're not sure of what you know ... why did you use the words: "...I am not sure if this is a correct redirect, as the wording in the lead is difficult here...? Is the issue you don't know if they belong redirecting to each other or that you don't know how to redirect them correctly with the third page? If it's that you don't know if they should be ... then you need to head over to this page & ask them: Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine — Preceding unsigned comment added by IamM1rv (talk • contribs) 16:33, 21 April 2015‎ (UTC)

Objection overruled?

I recently tried to add the name of a performance artist group to the list of performance artists on Wikipedia. This artist is famous in the San Francisco Bay Area art scene. A user has objected saying the artist does not meet the notability requirements and then proceeded to guide me to the requirement guidelines used for the creation of an article. While this group does in fact meet the requirements for an article to be written about them there is no article as of yet. However, notability and Lists as well as Notability and Content do not require that the guidelines be met that are used to justify a Wikipedia article. Am I allowed to add the group "Bad Unkl Sista" to the list of performance artists and what do I do if the editor who objects erases my work again? If you google this group, Bad a Unkl Sista, you will find tons of independent resources that discuss their performances and other live installations. This group regularly performs at the biggest art museums in the SF area and has been around for a long time. Photographs of the group performing at burningman have appeared in a Rolling Stone magazine. However, as I already mentioned, I am not attempting to submit an article about the group I am only attempting to add it to a list. The list does not have any qualifying statements that restrict it to subjects of Wikipedia articles. Missterese, Thank you. (22:00 April, 20 2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missterese (talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 April 2015‎

@Missterese: ... Hi Missterese, wikipedia is a busy place - if you want a response you need to link us the wikipedia link in the discussion so we know how to help you. -- IamM1rv (talk) 15:14, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Missterese: Many lists require that an article already exists before an item can be added to the list. All the entries in List of performance artists are in fact linked to the respective articles, so this is clearly one of the lists that require articles to already exist. The best solution, even though you say you don't want to write a whole article, is for you to start at least a brief stub that just states the bare minimum facts about the group and establishes it's notability by citing just a few good sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Using Directory As a Reference

I posted my first wikipedia page and there was concern from a user about my references. Some of his concerns I absolutely understand and am working on correcting now. However, I used referenced two different directories. I did this to show that this particular corperation had specific lisencing. The user said that directories were not adaquete sources but I'm having a hard time finding something on wikipedia that says you cannot use directories and if I cannot, why?

Is it not valid to show that a corperation does in fact hold the lisence it claim to hold by referencing the lisence itself? Mayapalm (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mayapalm: A directory does not tend to write about its contents, so the reference fails one of the tenets of the referencing required. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Many directories are compiled from information supplied by the entries themselves, failing independence. Thus most are primary sources. WP:PRIMARY allows the use, limited use, of such references to support facts that are unlikely to be susceptible to challenge.

Use of such items as references is best when amongst references of excellent calibre. They serve, then, simply to confirm simple facts in the same manner that an org's own web site might provide the same service.

Directories which are compiled independently are much better, but still tend not to be significant coverage. Fiddle Faddle 09:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mayapalm:: Just to expand and elaborate on the above answer, the use of a directory as a source depends on to what end you are using it. The directory can be used to confirm the information on the directory: For example, a yearbook may be, as a directory, used to confirm that a person attended a particular school. However, since a directory does not, itself, contain in depth, substantive information about a person's life story (it merely confirms a small detail about their life), the directory cannot itself establish that it is a good idea to have an article about the person at Wikipedia. In order for someone to merit their own article, we would need copious amount of in-depth writing which tells their life story. If we don't have that, then we have nothing to cite to write a life story about them at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 13:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32:: Its not being used to prove notability. The directory is being used to show that a financial institution is lisenced by a particular organization and the importance of this is backed up by an announcement from the organization stating that these types of financial institutions now must be regulated and an article mentioning the regulation. In this case, it seems a directory is acceptable, but please correct me if I'm wrong.Mayapalm (talk) 06:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

I was poking around an electronic job-finding site and I came across the résumé of somebody who does Paid Editing for Wikipedia. OK, no problem there. But this person posted links to some article he said he had created, and I checked the articles and found they were created by two different accounts, and then I checked some more articles created by those accounts, and there are several cases of overlapping edits, so I think one of these accounts is a sockpuppet of the other, so what should I do about it? I've gone to the page here where you report such shenanigans, but I don't feel like spending my hours of Real Life gathering all the "evidence" against this fellow. What should I do? I forgot to say — he has not declared himself as a Paid Editor. Not once. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile:Bring this topic to Admins. WP:ANB is the place! They will check it for the case, and if they are actually in this, then necessary actions will be taken by them.
117.207.26.53 (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk page

Can somebody please give me an explanation for the thing at the top of all article talk pages? The thing that says its in the scope of a WikiProject and its grade. What are they? —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

G'day again, DangerousJXD. A WikiProject is a group of contributors who want to work together as a team, often focusing on a specific topic area (for example, video games), a specific location or a specific kind of task (for example, checking newly created pages). When an article is identified as falling within the scope of a Wikiproject, it is initially assessed to determine how important the subject is to that project, and the quality of the article. If an article is of interest to more than one Wikiproject (there are more than 2,000 of them!) then it may receive a number of ratings like this. These ratings allow the members of that project to focus their efforts on the most important articles which still need the most work.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I wrote my first post wrong, apologies Gronk Oz and Acagastya (Acagastya also answer my question). I was talking about the things found on all article talk pages. At the top. It is that orangey box with colours, writing, and pictures. I can't paste one here cause it messed up my post. What are they called? Can I edit them? It is a little confusing as to what I'm looking at. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

How about Template:Don't template me? --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't understand what you mean when you say "I was talking about the things found on all article talk pages. At the top. It is that orangey box with colours, writing, and pictures." Looking at a few randomly-chosen article talk pages I don't always find pictures. Those pictures which I do find in a box at the top seem to be clearly associated with WikiProjects, which was the answer given by Gronk Oz. Perhaps, DangerousJXD, you could refer us to an example and describe what you are seeing? You said: "I can't paste one here cause it messed up my post"; if you want to paste something without messing up your post, put it between <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I am aware of the nowiki thing. Sorry for all the confusion. Example: Talk:The Evil Within. That is a video game article's talk page. The box directly underneath "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I'd like an explanation on what they are. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ain't life wonderful - I learned something from looking into this question. I found Wikipedia:Talk page layout#Lead (bannerspace). Apparently that tasteful beige area is called a "banner box", and the bits within it are called "banners" (which can include the Wikiproject ratings, and other things such as FA / DYK appearances). Have a read of that article and I hope it will make sense then.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Yay, Gronk Oz! That is what I was talking about. Thank you very much! —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

What that page shows at the top is {{WikiProject Video games|class=start|importance=low}}. You'll find the detail of that template at Template:WikiProject Video games. In answer to your question "Can I edit them?", the answer is that for that specific template (and many others that are widely transcluded) there is a special protection to prevent wide-spread damage, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#template, so you can't edit it. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Trying to find a userbox

I once saw a userbox which said that the user does not use talk back templates. I want it! I can not find it again. I've searched multiple list of userbox pages to know avail. I have looked at many user pages, but no. I know this is a little pointless. —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @DangerousJXD: Sorry, but I couldn't find any userboxes in the userbox gallery that seemed to match your description. If you still can't find it, you can try making your own userbox or have someone else make it for you. CabbagePotato (talk) 07:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll find it one day. Making one is the quitters way. ;) —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not a user-box per se but is User talk:YborCityJohn/Editnotice this what you saw? - it is used on several other pages - Arjayay (talk) 08:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Definitely a userbox. Not that page; the same subject though. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

There is a similar thing at Template:Don't template me, but still not a Userbox.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

i have linked my page to others and linked another to mine

how do i get the warnings to go awayNairobi Adams (talk) 22:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams: Any editor in good standing may remove them manually. This includes you. We work on the honour system Fiddle Faddle 22:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done. @Nairobi Adams:, another editor (@Timtrent:) has beaten us to it, and removed these maintenance tags from Renee Rochelle. I cleaned up the formatting a bit, but I have to note that the article is desperately short of independent references (the subject's own social media pages don't count!).--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

You are very kind, Gronk Oz. By "desperately short", I think you mean "entirely lacking" and therefore "at high risk of deletion". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I have gone in and cited actual published articles vs social media pages, the social media pages can actually be deleted if needed. Nairobi Adams (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams: - you will have seen by now that the article has been proposed for deletion. If you wish to save the article, the ball is in your court to prove her "notability", in the special Wikipedia sense of the word. (There are specific guidelines for authors' notability at WP:AUTHOR.) Basically, this means providing links to show that there is extensive coverage about the author and her works in independent, reliable sources, including reviews published in major newspapers and magazines (not the customer reviews on Amazon or similar), major awards, etc. (The STL Social News article probably won't count because it appears to be written by her; it is just a copy of her FaceBook profile.) So now is the time to pull out that scrap-book, and list all that press coverage to show how notable she is. Best of luck.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I went back and added some additional articles but they may not give me the time to add more. I saw that on the wiki page for deletion it said if the article is new they can tag it as needing more sources before simply deleting it but I dont see that they will give me much time to do that. Renee is not a writer for the St. Louis Social paper so I would assume they asked her for a bio and simply used that for the article. thank you so much! I hope they give me time to get more sources for the article!I would like more time Nairobi Adams (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams:, you are not allowed to delete the deletion notice on Renee Rochelle (it clearly says "don't delete this notice", so no-one should delete them)- if you want to save the article, you need to add reliable sources to it. Currently it has no reliable sources, so will almost certainly be deleted, in my opinion. The page won't be deleted immediately, but there is a discussion about whether to delete it or not at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renee Rochelle. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Why is my first article not able to be retained?

Hiya,

I joined yesterday, and thought I would create an article on Daniel Trilling, editor of the prestigious British magazine New Humanist, as well as a prolific journalist on issues surrounding refugees at Europe's borders. Here is the article: Daniel Trilling

I included as many citations as I could find and also listed categories, but unfortunately got a message from a user saying the article may not be retained. If anyone can explain why, I would be very grateful, as I do feel the subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.

Many thanks! PinkFlowerGirl (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

PinkFlowerGirl, fortunately the message is not that the article is under threat of deletion just that is could do with more independent sources about him. There is enough about him to meet the notability criteria, imo, but you have three or four references which are not independent as they are links to articles by him, not about him and the first reference is little more than a sub edit of an interview with him. Look for sources, like the book review, which talk about him and his work and you'll be fine. Nthep (talk) 09:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks Nthep! Much appreciated. PinkFlowerGirl (talk) 09:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The reference to "may not be retained" was in a welcome message on PinkFlowerGirl's user talk page, but that welcome message came from a user who may be somewhat confused. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Article rejected as "not neutral"

Hello:

My article was rejected as "not neutral." To be honest, I don't know how I could make this extremely dry and neutral piece any more neutral than it is. I read several similar entries, and the one I submitted closely mirrors those that were apparently accepted. Extremely frustrating! Here is my article...

This is not the place for a draft

The American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry (AAAP)1 is an American professional organization established in 1986, with more than 1,500 members. Based in East Providence, Rhode Island, AAAP is an educational resource for physicians—both psychiatrists and non-psychiatrists—on treating addictions and is accredited by the Accreditation Council for Continuing Medical Education2. It publishes a semi-monthly journal of addiction-related articles named, The American Journal on Addictions3. Mission: The AAAP is charged with: • Assuring that new discoveries, research findings, and technologies in the area of addictions become available to patients and are applied to clinical practice; • Supporting efforts to ensure that every patient with an addictive disorder has a psychiatric evaluation to assure accuracy of diagnosis and proper treatment; • Exploring the relationships of addiction psychiatrists to reimbursement systems, to managed care, and to third and fourth party payers; • Maintaining quality control and risk management in an era emphasizing cost containment; • Building relationships between psychiatrists and primary care physicians in treating the addicted as well as dually diagnosed patient; • Supporting adequate addiction treatment research Leadership The AAAP is governed by a 21-member medical board, which includes an international member and two trainee members. Membership For specialists in addiction psychiatry, general psychiatrists, physicians, academicians, researchers, medical students, and other health care professionals. AAAP provides continuing medical education programs in the field of addiction psychiatry. Special Projects AAAP is the lead organization for two three-year grants funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)3 . It is the lead organization for two SAMSHA grants, Providers’ Clinical Support System for Medication Assisted Treatment (PCSS-MAT) and Providers’ Clinical Support System for Opioid Therapies (PCSS-O). PCSS-O is a national training and mentoring project developed in response to the prescription opioid misuse epidemic. The PCSS-O is charged with providing at no cost educational programs on the safe and effective use of opioids for treatment of pain and safe and effective treatment of opioid use disorder. Members of the coalition include: American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry; Addiction Technology Transfer Center Network; American Academy of Neurology; American Academy of Pain Medicine; American Academy of Pediatrics; American College of Physicians; American Dental Association; American Medical Association; American Osteopathic Academy of Addiction Medicine; American Psychiatric Association; American Society for Pain Management Nursing; International Nurses Society on Addictions; and Southeastern Consortium for Substance Abuse. PCSS-MAT is a collaborative that provides educational trainings and resources to increase the knowledge base and clinical proficiency of prescribers and providers in treating opioid addiction through medication assisted treatment. Members of the PCSS-MAT program include the American Psychiatric Association; American Osteopathic Academy of Addiction Medicine; America Society of Addiction Medicine; Association for Medical Education and Research in Substance Abuse .

ChristieGiraud (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the place for a draft article, so I have collapsed the display. What you should do is link to it. I see that your Draft:AAAP and an earlier Draft:American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry seem to be referring to the same subject. The formatting of your attempt is so poor that it is difficult to read what it is trying to say. You also need to learn how to add references as footnotes (see WP:Referencing for beginners) to show which content is supported by which reference. Try reading WP:Your first article and the other links in the welcome message on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Blocking a User from Talk Page.

I am wondering how I would be able to have an editor blocked from my talk page except to discuss edits that I have done on Wikipedia. The user in question is User:Dfrr. Thanks! TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, Dfrr isn't making friend lately is he... Other than by requesting an WP:IBAN there isn't much you can do, however given the disruption this user seems to be causing (on my talk page too), you may see a WP:ANI thread about him soon. Until then, remove the comments or friendly ask him to stop posting (don't use personal attacks, a user just got a 48 hr block for attacking Dfrr...) I'll ping you if any action is taken in the end. Thanks! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 04:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Mainly to ping you, @TheGRVOfLightning: ouch your userpage took a hit from the Userbox issues we've got going eh... More information can be found here... EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 04:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a notice. @EoRdE6:, Seems that the user left Wikipedia. Very weird week of editing... TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 06:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheGRVOfLightning. You can't block another editor completely from your talk page, because there are certain formal notices that other editors are required to leave on your page, such as a report about your conduct to an administrative noticeboard. But if you tell another editor to stay off your talk page, that is a powerful request that should be honored except for those formally required notices. Any editor who knowingly violates such a clearly stated request may be guilty of disruptive editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the fine welcome Cullen328. I think the issue is gone. That said. I would let him contact me regarding edits but spam? Well. I guess this is what happens after 2 years of editing! TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Any editor may, unofficially, ban another editor from their talk page. Posting to a talk page from which one has been banned is considered disruptive, with the exception of certain required postings. That is, if you are reporting the editor who has banned you at a noticeboard, you must notify them, which overrides the ban. With those exceptions, posting to an editor's talk page, when one has been requested not to do so, is considered disruptive, and might even result in a block. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hoping someone can help with my draft

Hi there, I've edited and revised my article Draft:PEDS Legwear. I think I took into account the suggestions made by the reviewer. I was hoping someone could have a look and provide me with some feedback before I resubmit.

Thanks so much.

Richandcath (talk) 16:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Richandcath hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I just took a quick look. The article would benefit from some early history, and of course a "History" heading is needed for all of the information about the company's past.

The references should be formatted, and you can find out how at WP:CITE. A simple URL is not enough since that could disappear, and we need as much information as possible in order to find the information if that does happen. A simple way to format references is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions&action=edit&section=7 like this]. You put a left bracket before and a space after the URL and follow that with the title of the source, and then a right bracket. There are also citation templates.

I see a couple of grammar errors and a need for some links, but you have several links already, so you know how that works.

I think this article has a chance. It just needs work.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Very good suggestions. Richandcath (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding to Disambiguation?

Hi I'll try to keep it short. There's a disambiguation page called Protected. When I was searching for the Wikipedia article Wikipedia:Protection policy I got redirected there. There is no link to the protection policies article. Should a link to Wikipedia:Protection policy be added under See Also on the Protected disambituation page?

Sincerely yours

Student342 (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Student342: I'm not sure exactly what the rule is about adding Wikipedia policy pages to disambiguation pages (Wikipedia:Disambiguation doesn't say one way or the other), but it's not an unreasonable edit. I'd check back later to see if anyone removes it -- and whether they cite a Wikipedia policy when they do so. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Articles for creation "Rajeev Jain"

Sir,

I want to start writing articles on film technicians. First name I found Rajeev Jain cinematographer. He has loads of work (paper, articles, interviews. works) But I dont know how to put as refrence. Please help me to create this page.

Regards

Jeff 10:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bhartendunatyaakademi: I think you will enjoy starting by asking for mentoring at WP:CO-OP. It's a great way to start when you need a guide. Fiddle Faddle 11:00, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Bhartendunatyaakademi, you may want to start by reading WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)