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Adding my own articles

Hi, I am writer with my own boundaries, soI don't like editing the already written articles specially the one's which I am not familiar about.

So I wanted to know that is there any way to write my own articles whic I have experienced?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by I m prags (talk • contribs) 04:13, 22 April 2018 (UTC) 

@I m prags: I've left a message on your talk page explaining how to write new articles.

One advantage Wikipedia has is that you do not need to know about a topic. We do not use original research or editor experience, but just cite and summarize professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources. Writing is a good way to learn about a topic, not a good way to show off what you know about a topic. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I m prags, editing an existing article is very much easier than creating a new article. And personal knowledge and experience can actually be a disadvantage when editing – though knowledge of relevant sources is very useful. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Copyright question about uploading a photo

Hello! I am the artist manager for a musician and am editing his Wikipedia page (my first time). A friend has given me permission to use her photo on his page. She is waiving the rights to the photo. In WikiCommons, what do I write in the "Source" section? I tried uploading a photo last night that we actually own, but by mistake I sourced the artist's website in that section not knowing any better. It was immediately removed as they thought I took the photo from his site. Which I don't blame them for thinking since that's what I said. :) Thank you for your help! Kgraceystewart (talk) 21:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kgraceystewart: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will let someone else with more knowledge answer your images question. I did want to inform you that you will need to review the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and the paid editing policy at WP:PAID and formally declare your COI and paid editing status on your user page as soon as possible. As you have a COI, you should refrain from editing the page about your client directly, instead making edit requests on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Kgraceystewart. Any photo that appears on a copyrighted website is presumed to be copyrighted. The copyright holder themself must release the image under an acceptable free license. This is a legally binding agreement and the copyright holder cannot delegate that power to a friend. Please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for complete details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both for the information. I've declared my COI on my user page. Speaking of my user page, I have another question. It says my user name does not exist when I click on it. I'm not sure how to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgraceystewart (talk • contribs) 13:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

It may have said your user page did not exist, until you put content on it. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

why

This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to improve the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki info111 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Wiki info111, and welcome to the Teahouse. I take it this is about is that correct? Do you have a question about why this has been nominated for deletion? Currently the article does not seem to celarly establish notability. See our guideline for the notability of biographical articles. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Amazon Video and (Amazon) Prime Video

Today I found out what the difference is between Amazon Video and Prime video.

They are basically the Amazon equivalent of BBC One and BBC Two yet when you click on Prime video it redirects to Amazon Video when they should be seperate.

This section - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Prime#Prime_Video says:

The service debuted on September 7, 2006 as Amazon Unbox in the United States. On September 4, 2008, the service was renamed Amazon Video on Demand. The Unbox name still refers to the local program, which as of August 2014 is no longer available for downloading purchased instant videos. On February 22, 2011, the service rebranded as Amazon Instant Video and added access to 5,000 movies and TV shows for Amazon Prime members.

^ A statement which is talking about Amazon Video not Prime Video

It's clear from looking at the website they are still separate things.

Amazon Exclusives are TV Shows/Films which were originally broadcast on a network/channel/service that has nothing to do with Amazon.

Prime Exclusives are TV Shows/Films which were originally broadcast on a network/channel/service that has nothing to do with Amazon.

Amazon Originals are TV Shows/Films which were originally broadcast on Amazon Video.

Prime Originals are TV Shows/Films which were originally broadcast on Prime video.

Prime Video originals seem to be mainly shows for adults, whereas the Amazon Video originals seem to be mainly shows for kids, therefore there's still a clear distinction between them, and should be separated imo. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/storefront/ref=sv_atv_0?ie=UTF8&merchId=Originals

Basically they'll play some, but not all Prime Video originals on Amazon Video, the same way BBC Two shows occasionally get played on BBC One.

--Danstarr69 (talk) 09:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Danstarr69. I was going to suggest posting this on the talk page for Amazon Video, but I see that you have done so already. Please don't post the same thread on multiple talk pages. -- kewlgrapes (talk, contribs) 16:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Original Research or informtion

First of all, I hope I am posting this question in the right place. One of my interests is updating information about the small town where I grew up (Crosbyton, TX) and many of the surrounding small towns. I want to create a new Culture section for Crosbyton because they have several very good and unique museums, of which only one is on Wikipedia, but they also have an amphitheater and several annual festivals. Much of this cannot be documented from reputable sources as there are no books or large newspaper articles or even blogs covering these cultural assets. I, on the other hand, certainly have the capability of photographing some of these resources and speaking to city officials about festivals and such. What do I do to document this information in a way that would be acceptable to Wikipedia?Jimdunneg (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jimdunneg, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, your personal knowledge is not a reliable source, and neither is a verbal interview with a local official. Neither is a blog, in general. However, if the town has an official web site that mentions these museums and other places, that would be an acceptable source. For this purpose, since this would not be a separate article, a mention in a local newspaper would be sufficient, as would a web site of the museum itself. You can, of course, release your own photos under a free license and upload them to commons, as long as there is a reliable source that shows that the places at least exist. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

IFADEM

Would you say the Initiative francophone pour la formation à distance des maîtres https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_francophone_pour_la_formation_%C3%A0_distance_des_ma%C3%AEtres is a partner of UNESCO?

All I can find on this subject is this https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.ifadem.org/fr/actualites/tags/unesco&prev=search which basically says they did a project in 2012 with the AUF Agence universitaire de la Francophonie, OIF Organisation internationale de la Francophonie and UNESCO.

To me it looks like they don't really have anything to do with UNESCO and just did a one off event with the IICBA (UNESCO International Institute for Capacity Building in Africa).

Then there's the AUF Wikipedia page which says they are also partners of UNESCO yet the neither the original link or the wayback link mention anything about UNESCO. Although tbf it looks like they've worked with UNESCO a couple of times unlike the IFADEM

I think I've found the answer to my question here: http://www.iicba.unesco.org/?q=node/153 where only the OIF are listed as partners. Therefore I don't think the AUF article should be claiming they are partners when they aren't.

Danstarr69 (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

• Welcome to the Teahouse, Danstarr69. Alas, what the Teahouse is about is answering questions about how to edit Wikipedia. For general questions that don't pertain to that, you'd need to ask elsewhere. For that particular question, I'd recommend contacting UNESCO's public relations department. Ravenswing 16:36, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Rangia a town in Assam redirect

Good Day

I wish to draw attention to this redirect https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rangia&redirect=no. I can't see any reason for a redirect, unless I am missing something. Kindly have a look into this. Rangia is mentioned in official website of Kamrup district, http://kamrup.nic.in/admfr.htm and spelled as Rangia. Thanks Jazze7 (talk) 16:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jazze7, and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that "Rangia" is also the name of a genus of clams, and that no articlwe has yet been created about the town in Assam . Are there any other reliable sources available about the Town? If there are, an article about the town could be created, and the page Rangia could perhaps be converted to a disambiguation page. The readers could find either the town or the clam, which ever they are looking for. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) We have an article for Rangiya. Since this could be a common misspelling, I added {{distinguish}} templates on the top of each page. -- kewlgrapes (talk, contribs) 16:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for pointing that out, Jazze7. The article about the town uses the spelling Rangiya. I have turned the redirect into a disambiguation page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. That should sort out the search issue. Jazze7 (talk) 17:02, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

question

Ca social media count like reliable citing source if the tweet comes from the persons page — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiPro04 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, WikiPro04. Social media posts are rarely reliable sources because of the problem of impersonation and the fact that people often tell jokes and say foolish things on social media. Some famous people even contradict themselves on Twitter. In rare cases, a verified social media account can be used as a reference for what a person says about themself. You must be very cautious. Please read WP:SELFPUBLISH. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok thx i shall be cautious — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiPro04 (talk • contribs) 14:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiPro04, in future please sign posts on discussion pages such as this one, and on article talk pages (but not in articles) with four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

citing sources

I am new to Wikipedia. I recently created an English article on the island of Deux-Sevi, loosely based on a French article of the same name. Since they are pretty close articles, I would like to know if there is any shortcut for citing sources on pages like this. Thanks, jjolmyeonlord — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjolmyeonlord (talk • contribs) 02:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jjolmyeonlord. Please read Wikipedia:Translation and associated links, paying attention to the requirement to properly attribute the French article. If you have actually read the reliable sources used in the French article, then you can copy the wikicode for those references and use them in the English version that you are working on. You are responsible for the accuracy of the English version. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jjolmyeonlord. I suggest you read referencing for Beginners to learn how to provide source citations here on the English-language edition of Wikipedia. As Cullen328 says above, sources from the French-language edition may be used, provided that a) you have actually checked the sources yourself, and b) they count as reliabel sources under the en policies. But you are not limited to the sources used on the fr veersion of the article, you may add others, and should do so if you can find additional good sources. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

How do I make my username look cool?

I've seen some users around here who've highlighted their username or changed font/color. I know how to do it manually each time (⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2018 (UTC) ) But, that forces me to do the time by myself, which I find quite difficult. Is there a way to automatically put your custom cool username each time (as you use the 4 tildes?).

Thanks! Lucie Person (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, Lucie Person! Go to Special:Preferences and look for the option for "Signature". Enter the code you used there. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Your code breaks a 255-byte limit. This works and gives the same result: ⇒ Lucie Person (talk). Check the box "Treat the above as wiki markup". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

We have instructions at Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing_your_signature A lot of people seem to like customizing their signature,but just so you're aware, not everybody does. I have a bit of code in my browser's userContent.css that removes all the css styles from signatures and renders them all the same again. Vexations (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the speedy replies @Finnusertop:, @PrimeHunter:, and @Vexations:! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Help with the sandbox

I am putting a new page together in my sandbox. When I click 'show change', I see all my recent edits. Then, when I click 'show preview, the text hasn't been updated. And most importantly, when I click publish changes, it says edits updated, but does not publish the page. What am I doing wrong? Tlvernon (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello there. I would suggest purging the cache on your sandbox after you publish the changes. If that does not work please let me know. Thanks! Thegooduser Let's Chat 01:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tlvernon, welcome to the Teahouse. I fixed an ending </ref> which was missing the slash [1] and prevented some of the text from displaying. Does that solve your problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Why being deleted?

I made a page about a film that is being released in a few weeks. My page has been reviewed and is in the discussion for "deletion". Now I did everything right still, my page is being deleted. I added references, there is no copied content. Why is my page marked as one that would be deleted in near future? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpit cyberframe (talk • contribs) 06:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Arpit cyberframe. You can comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kande movie where the debate is taking place. No final decision has been made. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Project Tiger Editathon 2018

Hello. i read that wikimedia founadtion along with google is providing laptops. How can I apply for the same. --Ashish D Souza (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ashish D Souza: welcome! You can receive prizes by participating in Wikipedia:Project Tiger Writing Contest. I'm not so sure about the laptops part. Happy editing! Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 06:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The page that Rotideypoc41352 links to states that the contest will "support active and experienced Wikipedia editors through the donation of laptops and stipends for internet access". However, when clicking on that text, the link does not work. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It works now. Someone changed the link a couple of days ago to lead to a page that doesn't exist, but I just changed it back.--bonadea contributions talk 06:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

How do I become an admin?

To Brendan - from all the Hosts here at the Wikipedia Teahouse

Hi everyone,

My name is Brendan and I’ve really enjoyed reading and editing Wikipedia articles while going through chemo (even though I didn’t register an account until today). I feel like it’s been the only source of comfort in this terrible time when the doctors tell me I’m not responding to therapy. They also tell me I shouldn’t let my condition prevent me from pursuing my dreams and passions. And that’s why I ask how I can become an administrator on Wikipedia with whatever time I have left. This is a noble project for the benefit of the world, and even if for just one day, I would like to be able to count myself among the people who make it work so well. Thanks for any help and advice. ~S.Brendan.S~ (talk) 02:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Admins don't have any special powers, they simply have a mop. If you want to help the project, you should aspire to create featured articles, not to navigating a treacherous bureaucracy. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey ~S.Brendan.S~. Admins are one of many different types of user groups that have different types of special access to parts of the Wikipedia software, because they have demonstrated a longstanding commitment to building a better encyclopedia, a familiarity with Wikipedia policy, a willingness to work alongside others, and a need for that access. The way to get there is by helping us build a better encyclopedia, by finding a topic you're interested in, and working with others to help improve it, so that we help make more knowledge more free for more people all around the world. If you need help with getting started, or finding others that are interested in the things you're interested in improving, then you've found the right place, and we're surely willing to point you in the right direction if you have any questions. GMG^talk 02:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I realize this from all the editing and reading I did before I made an account, but I ask because I don’t have months to create articles. I try to stay positive but I’m getting weaker and sicker every day and I doubt I’m going to get through this. I just hoped someone would appreciate how much I love Wikipedia and want to be remembered as someone who contributed as an administrator. ~S.Brendan.S~ (talk) 03:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I am very sorry about your health problems, ~S.Brendan.S~, and I hope that you recover. But you should realize that becoming an administrator takes at least a year or two of highly productive contributions in a wide range of areas, which includes creating significant new content and participating constructively in behind-the-scenes adminstrative work. For example, I participated in thousands of Articles for Deletion debates before I became an administrator, as well all serving as a very active Teahouse host for years, writing about a hundred articles and expanding many more. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey, ~S.Brendan.S~, being an administrator here is rather like being a janitor - they just sort out the mess that other folk create or leave behind them. The real legacy that people like you can make when you edit and improve an article on Wikipedia (and I don't just mean creating new ones) is that you leave behind an improved page that is there for all the world to see. You user name is forever a part of that article, always present in its page history, and the content you add can then be built upon by others, too. That's a really important thing - the essence of Wikipedia, in fact - so I don't think you need to get fixed on the idea of fighting vandalism of other transient stuff. Be the best editor that you can - that should be your goal here. You can make a difference by making great contributions. You can do that in many ways. You can find articles about subjects that interest you and look to improve them. Click on one of the 'Categories' at the bottom of an interesting article to find other related pages. Some of these might be tiny stubs which you could expanded. Others might have poor English or need references to evidence what is said. Maybe go to WP:JOBS or CAT:BACKLOG to see the million and one things that still need doing, or even consider joining and become a helper at one of our WikiProjects. Here are some suggestions for you. But before you do any of that, you might like to try out our interactive Wikipedia Adventure - you can collect up to 15 badges for completing the various stages, and they get automatically added to your user page. It's upsetting to hear your story, and my heart goes out to you as you fight your illness. All of us here obviously wish you well, but don't be afraid to come back and ask for any help on contributing to Wikipedia that you might need. Best wishes from all the hosts at the Teahouse. And enjoy the cookies I've left for you on your Talk page. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Problem in Talk page

Hello. I cant understand what is happening in my talk page. Thank you in advance. --Ashish D Souza (talk) 08:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Ashish D Souz: you have twice submitted your sandbox for review, and both times it was rejected. Your sandbox currently has nothing in it, so I can't tell what was in it when you submitted it, or explain why it was rejected. Each time it was rejected, a notice was placed on your talk page, saying "This submission seems to be a test edit and not an article worthy of an encyclopedia." Maproom (talk) 08:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Maproom: i didnot have any text edit in my sandbox. and i dont know what was not worthy.--Ashish D Souza (talk) 09:51, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ashish D Souza: Twice you clicked a submit or resubmit button on your sandbox and then clicked Publish. This should only be done when the page contains an article draft you want reviewed for our encyclopedia. Your submission caused the page to be reviewed as a potential Wikipedia article. The page was empty apart from the text "This is Ashish Dsouza". That text is not worthy as an article in an encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: ohhh. Thank you

article keeps getting rejected!!

Hello! I have a school project that requires me to create a wikipedia page for a significant figure, however i cant seem to make it publishable. I've used multiple references and cited my work but it just seems to keep getting rejected?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marycarmichael (talk • contribs) 07:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

This is about Lady Saffron McDonnell and/or Draft:Lady Saffron McDonnell. The first thing I'll say is, don't create two or more copies of the same article, it's almost certain to cause confusion. While there are rival versions in existence, it's hard to know which one to comment on or try to improve. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The versions look identical to me, Maproom. Marycarmichael, I can understand you are keen to get your article accepted, since it's part of your coursework. Unfortunately, it has been twice rejected because the subject lacks notabilty. I can see this in the history of the draft, here and here. Did you see where it said "Do not remove this line!" in both the rejection notes from the draft reviewers? Reviews are supposed to stay on the draft so other people can see them without digging into the history. The second reviewer also commented "It is disruptive to resubmit with essentially no changes". You have unfortunately then removed all commentary from the draft and put the article straight into article space despite the rejections. From your point of view, I can understand these actions, but from Wikipedia's, they are pretty disruptive. The first thing an article needs is a notable subject. I can't see that any of the references you have offered even mention the subject, so clearly you have had difficulty establishing notability. (If I've managed to miss a mention, I apologize, but those references would still not establish notability. E.g., having an expensive house is not notable.) I suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability (people), which the reviewers have already linked you to, and based on that, try to find another subject. If you must write an article, that is. Is your coursework unconditionally supposed to be a new article, or do you have the option to flesh out an existing article? If the second is possible, I think it would be better. We generally recommend new users not to start by creating an article, but by doing less demanding editing, to get more of a feel for what is acceptable here, and also to get the advantage of collaborating with more experienced users. Maybe you could talk to your supervisor and tell them what I said? Bishonen | talk 09:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC).

PS, the article has now been deleted for lack of notability. Mary, please try to make sure you're logged in when you edit; I see you made a couple of edits to it from your IP. That can happen accidentally, but it's good to try to avoid it, so your edits can be seen through your list of contributions. Bishonen | talk 10:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC).

My First Article

Hi, I just wrote my first article, and i was told after 3 days it'll be published or regretted. Now i searched for the page and i couldn't find it, which means it was regretted or wasn't published. So this brings me to my question, where did i go wrong in the publication of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obie minion (talk • contribs) 10:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Obie minion, welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a draft does not submit it for review. I have added a box to User:Obie minion/sandbox with a submit button but the current page is not suited. It can take months from submission to review. Where were you told 3 days? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

In all honesty, Obie minion, if it hadn't been brought up here, I would delete the draft as promotional. It is currently totally unsuitable as an article. In it, you refer to "our school life"; do you work for or represent the school? 331dot (talk) 11:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Obie minion. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners and find some WP:Reliable sources that are independent of the organisation but discuss it in detail. Wikipedia does not use external links in the main text, and you have formatted some internal links incorrectly. For example, just use double square brackets to link to Colorado Springs. Dbfirs 11:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Problm

Hello im trying to cite a date but this pops up "Cite error: The <ref> tag name cannot be a simple integer (see the help page). WikiPro04 (talk) 10:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi WikiPro04. I guess you refer to [2] where you wrote: <ref name="09">{{cite web|title=Mina Sundwall|url=https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3813248/|website=Imdb|accessdate=22 April 2018}}</ref>. The message says 09 in ref name="09" is not allowed. You can pick a ref name with at least one letter. If the reference is only used once then you can also omit the name and just write <ref>. See more at WP:REFNAME. Also see Wikipedia:Citing IMDb. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh ok, i tried and it works thx vry much WikiPro04 (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Want to edit and add new section on Timbuktu

Hi fellow editors , I want to add a new section on Timbuktu on the saving of ancient manuscripts by its brave citizens, I have the sources to back up my claims.

What is the best way to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vusumuzi Mpofu (talk • contribs) 13:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, @Vusumuzi Mpofu: it's always pleasant to greet someone who wants to help. The effort to save these documents from destruction several years ago by the occupation forces is already mentioned in Fall of Timbuktu (2012)#Reactions with few details. Depending on what sources you have, probably the best way is to make a new subsection. You can just go ahead and add a subsection to that article, or discuss the question further in the Talk Page of that article. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you sincerely Jim. Will do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vusumuzi Mpofu (talk • contribs) 14:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Copyright help

Sigh,although I am fine with using my own words,I am afraid that anything I edit will be a copyright infringement.Any tips for using my own words without risking infringing the content of any one of like,a billion gajillion sites on the Internet? I am REALLY scared of breaching copyright when I don't mean any harm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperWIKI (talk • contribs) 14:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, SuperWIKI and welcome to the Teahouse. You need not worry. If you are using your own words, and not copying some other site or source, you are most unlikely to infringe copyright by accident, and even if you did, all that would happen is that the copied content would be removed and you would be warned about the issue. Wikipedia does take copyright very seriously, but it is also policy to assume the good faith of editors, particularly comparatively new editors. As long as you are tying to write in your own words, and not copy or closely paraphrase any other writing, you will be fine. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and SuperWIKI, in future please sign comments on discussion pages like this, and on article talk pages and user talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). The software will convert this to a link to your user page, or your custome signature, plus a timestamp. That helps others keep track of who wrote what. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@SuperWIKI: In other words: "Oh dear, I worry that, despite being capable of writing using my own choice of words, someone might accuse me of breaching copyright. There are so many webpages on the internet - what advice can anyone give me to write in my own words? This really worries me, yet I don't intend to cause problems." I think DESiegel is absolutely correct - there's no need to worry about accidentally copying a few phrases here and there. It's unlikely to happen by accident. One trick can be to read a source, then go away for a short period of time, and come back and attempt to say it out loud without looking at the source. It's bound to sound different to you - so try writing down what you said. Put concepts in different orders, or imagine speaking to a different kind of audience: child versus adult, or vice versa. In the above example I did use different words, although I did copy the exact sentence structure. That's not a problem in a short paragraph, but in longer ones there's a risk of close paraphrasing, so just trying to "say things in a different way" is the best advice to give. Maybe this might help a bit. I'd paste it in but, well, you know... We even have this tool which can look for exact copying of text in articles. Hope this helps - and don't worry! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The notability and the subject and the assessment of the article

Most FA and GA articles are very long and use many sources. Because Wikipedia has requirement of coverage of FA/GA articles, and only highly notable subjects can have such coverage. So, aritcles about highly notable subjects, such as Guan Xiaotong(Which is just a Start-class and Low-importance article), are possible to reach FA/GA class when editors put enough time, passion and skill in it. What's more, this Baidu Encyclopedia's entry is a featured article. This can also show the high notability of Guan since Baidu Encyclopedia has a requirement for the notability of the subject of featured biographies. But many other articles such as Xu Geyang and Survivalcraft are highly unlikely to reach FA/GA class due to the low notability of the subject. Right? Omega68537 (talk) 13:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Omega68537 and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? That is primarily what this Teahouse page is for. If you are asking whether every article can reach FA status, the answer is probably not -- some just do not have enough content for that, although most could probably reach GA status if an editor or editors work on them with determination.

Each encyclopedia and web site has its own standards and policies for what topics it includes. That a topic has an article in Baidu Encyclopedia does not guarantee that it will be considered suitable here, but sources listed there might well be suitable for inclusion in a draft or article about Guan here. The key issue for inclusion is notabliity which Wikipedia measures largely by whether there has been significant discussion of the topic in multiple independent, published reliable sources. That is essential for any article here on Wikipedia. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I want to write an article.

Hi-I'm new here and noticed there is no article for instagram model Eudoxie Yao, and I would like to add one. Where do I start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattArianator (talk • contribs) 18:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@MattArianator: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to make it better. Read WP:YFA for guidance and tips on writing and article, and there is a wizard there to help you create a draft article for review. However, writing an article can be a challenge for new editors, so the usual advise is to start by working on improving existing articles to gain experience, before you jump in to creating a new article. RudolfRed (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Anyone up for discussion for my first article?

I'm looking for anyone for my first article, so if you want to be a co-operative don't hesitate to request! — Preceding unsigned comment added by XXBlueBaSs7Xx (talk • contribs) 19:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@XXBlueBaSs7Xx: If you are referring to Stormi Webster, that article is about an infant with no in-depth coverage of the child and no notability in the child's own right. As a result, I've turned the title into a redirect to the personal life section of Kylie Jenner's article. —C.Fred (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Public Domain Sources and how to cite

Hello

Do government documents count as public domain sources? if so, how should they be cited? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckyBadger1 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @BuckyBadger1: depends on what government. Broadly speaking, anything published by the US federal Government is out-of-copyright as I understand it, though for many other governments they retain copyright. But also sources are not at all required to be Public Domain, you're free to cite any source, even if it's behind a paywall, as long as you clearly indicate title, author, date, etc. And for how to do so, any "cite" template works fine, like "Template:Cite book", "cite news", etc. Being Public Domain or out-of-copyright really only matters if you want to copy-paste large sections of something, or post an image from it. Does that cover your question? MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, BuckyBadger1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Government documents should be cited just as any other documents, by title, author, publisher, and other bibliographic info, along with a link if available. Use of one of the various cite templates is in my view a good idea, but is not required. Be sure that the document was in fact published, and is available to members of the public, possibly on payment of a fee. Being public domain does not change how a source should be cited, only how much may legally be quoted. But Wikipedia policy usually limits the extent of quotes, no matter what the copyright status may be.

By the way, please sign posts here and on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

copyright of old photos

I have a 1957 photo I wish to use. It might have been owned by the Daily Express. Do i need to ask them for permission ? Or is it out of copyright? Could you send your answer to <email redacted> please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guylancaster (talk • contribs) 20:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Guylancaster, sorry but we don't provide answers via email. This is an archived searchable forum and we give our answers here as so to benefit others too. Also, please sign your posts by typing four tildes at the end (however you don't do that when you edit articles). The answer to your question would depend on what country you are in. My guess would be Great Britton, and I'll have to look up the answer for there. Perhaps someone else will chime in first. John from Idegon (talk) 22:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Guylancaster, and welcome to the Teahouse. For many purposes Wikipedia pays attention to US copyright law. Anything published before 1923 is out of copyright in the US. Some things published between 1924 and 1966 (I think) are out of copyright for failure to renew, but that is rather complex to verify. Under UK law at the moment copyright lasts for the life of the author (photographer for photos) plus 70 years. I am not sure of the UK rule for corporate authors. I think it unlikely that a photo from 1957 is out of copyright. You would need to follow the procedure described at Donating Copyrighted Materiel which might be tricky for a newspaper as copyright owner. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Is there censorship?

Question: Being a reader, I would like to know if it is a standard procedure on Wikipedia to delete a book title from a further reading list just because somebody does not like the publisher? [3]. I looked up the article a few days ago and made a note of a few book titles available to find one has been deleted. Why is it still available on Amazon though [[4]]? Going by Google Books it seems to a be a good read written in the perspective, from within, by one of the major Nichiren sects. Does Wikipedia practice some kind of censorship? Just curious. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.244.159 (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello anon. As a rule no, Wikipedia is not censored and the overarching deciding factor in determining article content is consensus among editors. So when you're not sure why a change was made to an article, a good place to start is asking the person who changed it, who in this case would be User:Hijiri88. GMG^talk 19:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh so sorry, maybe this was the wrong place to have come to. I am not planning to edit anything. I thought the idea of teahouse might be the right place for just asking a question. It took me hours aleady to figure out how to post a question including links. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.244.159 (talk) 19:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Asking here is fine. Lulu.com is an online print-on-demand, self-publishing, and distribution platform. Anybody with Internet can upload a book to Lulu and publish it. There are no editors reviewing or even reading the books or talking to the authors, and you don't need any credentials to be accepted. The books can literally say anything and be processed by software without any human involvement. Self-published books like Lulu are largely not acceptable as sources per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No need to apologise: this is exactly the right place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. In general, we don't advertise books here, but we do often provide an appropriate bibliography. If you think a book should be included, then discuss the addition on the talk page of the article. The reason that this book was not appropriate is explained above. Dbfirs 19:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Dbfirs: What's the procedure for Teahouse threads that were opened by ban-evaders[5] but that others have already responded to? Should this be blanked, or collapsed, or closed, or what? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Standard procedure is pretty much to AGF, and drop a note if someone is blocked. Answers are often valuable for more people than those who ask them. GMG^talk 20:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hijiri88, thank you for the warning on that suspected sock. There was no indication of that on the questioner's talk page or in their edit history, but I did think that the phrasing of their questions was a little odd. I wasn't disagreeing with your edit. Dbfirs 20:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Legitimate Teahosue questionss, whether there has been a response or not, should not be deleted or hatted or collapsed because of a sock or ban status. If I become aware that this has been done, i will revert without discussion, publicly indicating the reasons. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Essay

Am I allowed to create an essay on Wikipedia called Wikipedia:Identifying Subtle Vandalism? Or has this topic already been covered? Thegooduser Let's Chat 01:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Check out Wikipedia:Vandalism to see if what you want is already there or in one of the pages it links to. RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Very little is covered Can i go ahead and create the essay? Thegooduser Let's Chat 01:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thegooduser. I do not see such an essay in the Essay directory, but you should double check. You may want to discuss your ideas with active members of the Subtle Vandalism Taskforce. You can write any essay you want, as long as it is about some aspect of improving the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Here's the text I plan to put in the essay let me know if it is good:

START OF ESSAY

Wikipedia is always being Vandalized. Vandals are now getting smarter and changing articles or pages in a "Low Key" Way. The Purpose of this essay is to to give you examples and a better understanding of "Low Key" Vandalism. Below are Just a Few Examples: Examples The statements in these examples are made up facts and may not be true.

Example 1:

The Statement reads "Study shows that 5 of 10 dolphins will experience sickness in their life time" The vandal comes out and then changes the sentence. The statement now reads (Note the changes are highlighted in each example.) "Study shows that 6 of 10 dolphins will experience cancer in their life time."

Example 2:

The Statement reads "Carrots are good for health but too much will cause orange skin" the vandal now changes the sentence to "Carrots are good for health but too much will cause orange skin and other health risks."

Example 3:

The Statement reads "Meta's Data service pro was released in January of 2000 and sold 3.2 million units, then in 2003 the sales declined to 1 thousand six hundred, Prior to the release of the second service the company gave free warranty services to PC's 5 years and older in order to prevent unhappy customers. However this did not work as expected..."

The Vandal then Changes the statement to "Meta's Data service pro (Also Known as Galluas Inc) was released in January of 2000 and sold 2.2 million units, then in 2004 the sales declined to 2 thousand six hundred, Prior to the release of the second service the company gave free warranty services to PC's 5 years and older in order to prevent unhappy customers. However this did work as expected. ..."

Example 4:

The statement reads " In July of 1486 King Edauas the 7th Killed all pesants of the Castle"

The vandal Changes the statement to " In July of 1486 King Edauas the 8th Killed all peasants of the Castle Endungribugh"

Example 5

The statement reads "5 People were shot and killed and 1 was injured"

The vandal then changes the statement to "5 People were Murdered and 1 was shot " END OF ESSAY Thegooduser Let's Chat 02:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: The Teahouse isn't the place for draft content. Please discuss your changes at Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism or at the taskforce previously suggested. RudolfRed (talk) 03:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

IP address-only user about to make 4th revert

There is a user with an IP address instead of a username who I strongly suspect is about to make a 4th consecutive revert on an article (in a 24 hour period). I have already posted a Template:Uw-3rr notice on their talk page, but I'm sure that is of no avail. Can the user be reported on a noticeboard if they are not a registered user? Lupine453 (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Lupine453 and welcome (back, I think) to the Teahouse.

The place you want is WP:Administrator intervention against vandalism, otherwise known as WP:AIV. Anonymous users are welcome to remain anonymous, but when they are editing disruptively, they will be blocked. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Followup: It looks like the page in question is Linda Evangelista and this is a content dispute which you have not yet taken to the talk page. I was a bit too quick to assume you were talking about vandalism and should probably have referred you to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring or WP:EWN instead. The going past 3RR should merit a block, but there needs to be some attempt at discussion, too. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:25, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lupine453: if they have broken 3RR then go to the edit warring noticeboard and follow the procedure listed there, if their edits are vandalism then go to AIV instead. Don't break 3RR yourself to revert them unless it is a BLP violation. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 05:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

The debate between the two editors is whether the first sentence of the lead should describe Linda Evangelista as a model or a supermodel. As later in the article she is identified as one of five women who were dubbed "supermodels," perhaps Lupine453 should let this one go. IMO, not worth taking to 3RR or AIV. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration among multiple editors for a single article?

We would like to update the article for Citizens for Global Solutions. Some people have subject matter expertise but are not WP users and others are willing to to try to learn the mechanics to post the new article. So far, only one member of the group has a user account and the others do not but they could although they don't want to. What is the easiest way for groups of people to collaborate on an article BEFORE the new material is published live? Is there no Sandbox for a topic, only a sandbox for a single individual user account?

Second question: Once an article is deemed to be ready for publication by the collaborators, is there some way to submit it for review by more experienced editors?

Thanks,Cgsstl (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey Cgsstl. You can create an article first as a draft. So Instead of creating it as ARTICLE NAME, you can create it as Draft:ARTICLE NAME. Starting with a draft is a good way to have an extended period of time to work on a page without the immediate risk of it being deleted for reasons related to it being unfinished. GMG^talk 19:17, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Cgsstl: and note too once a draft is started, anyone who wants to edit but does not want to make a WP account can just edit anonymously as an IP address. Just hit "edit" without logging in and by default you post as an IP. Do be advised though, anyone who wants to have a logged-in WP account has to keep it only for themselves, we do not allow "sharing" accounts. And I totally concur with GMG that starting a Draft would be best. You can also use WP:Article wizard to start a draft, but make sure you do not click the big "Submit" button until you are ready for a review. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and yes, once you have your basic Draft written, there's a "Submit" button where you can ask experienced editors to review it. Bear in mind it is very normal for even a good draft to be Declined several times, with suggestions for improvement given, so don't give up after the first try unless the reviewer tells you the topic simply isn't workable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

• Cgsstl Hello, I was wondering how(or if) you are associated with this group; I see that an acronym of its name is part of your username("Cgs"). 331dot (talk) 20:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

33 - Cgsstl's User page clearly states is a member of the CGS group. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I have been advised to change my username which I originally chose to transparently reflect, if that is possible, my affiliation with the local chapter of Citizens for Global Solutions in St. Louis. I volunteered to try to help the national organization replace the WP article. I have also been advised that the wholesale deletion of the content of the CGS article should not be characterized as 'vandalism.' In a spirit of collaboration with the other editors, I will withdraw that characterization and substitute 'wholesale constructive criticism.' I appreciate your insights into this process. Thanks. Cgsstl (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

iS IT TRUE that if I discover a needed catagory I can coax someone into creating the Page ?

Editing Draft:Non human entity now registered as a citizen

non human Artifically Intelligent Entity Named Sofia now a citizen of Saudi Arabia ((need youtube links ))

< many you tube links > < many IT news links > < many clinkbait hotlinks > < many christian & conspiracy over reactions >

or should I just post a copy of this screen onto facebook ? since I am not a "Wikieditor" nor am thrilled about such opportunity !— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.41.111 (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello anon. This is not the place to submit your draft for review. This is a forum for newer editors to seek advice and assistance. In its current form, your draft will not be accepted, because it contains no sources whatsoever, and likely insufficient context to identify the subject. GMG^talk 13:18, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Creating a new page

Hello, I wanted to create a new page on a productivity software that we have developed. The software is similar to JIRA and Asana who already have their pages on wikipedia. My intent is not directly promotional that is why I am turning to the community to know what is the best method to do this. Whenever our potential customers search for Asana or JIRA on google, they are presented with a knowledge graph picked up from wikipedia. I want the same for my software without being promotional. Any help by the community would be highly appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Afzaal125 (talk • contribs)

@Afzaal125: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would encourage you not to do what you want to do. What you describe is considered a promotional purpose on Wikipeida. We have no interest in increasing your customer base. Please read WP:OSE; just because other similar software products have articles does not automatically mean yours gets one too. Each page is judged on its own merits. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about a subject. If your new software has not been written about in such sources with in depth coverage(i.e. not just an announcement of its release or description of its features), it cannot have a page about it on Wikipedia.

If your software has gotten in depth coverage in independent sources, it may merit an article. It would be best if you allowed other, independent editors to write about it, as that is one indication that it truly is notable enough for an article. You will need to review and comply the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and the paid editing policy at WP:PAID; the latter is required for paid editors by Wikipedia's Terms of Use. You can then visit Articles for Creation to draft an article and submit it for an independent review. However, creating an article is difficult even for uninvolved editors, it is even more difficult for you with a conflict of interest. You would need to forget everything you know about your software and only write based on the content of independent sources. You should not use your company website, press releases, or other related materials in almost all cases. (see WP:PRIMARY). Most people in your situation have a difficult time doing this. If you have no independent sources and just want to tell the world about your software, please do not submit a draft as you would just be wasting not only your time but that of the reviewer. However, if you still want to attempt it, please read Your First Article and visit Articles for Creation. If you have any other questions, please ask. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

The Asana article was started in 2010, a couple of years after the start-up, and has been the topic of significant coverage in the LA Times, NY Times and other. If, ten years from now, your productivity software is as successful and notable, I would expect there to be a Wikipedia article about it. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)