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User Page Changes

Hello, I'm taking a course on editing Wikipedia and I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. I changed the look of my user page and I can't change it back. Also now, when I look up anything on Wikipedia, the "talk" option is on the bottom of the page instead of in a tab at the top of the page. What did I do? Thanks for any assistance! KateBrown0628 (talk) 19:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@KateBrown0628: I went to your userpage and it seems normal; what are you seeing that should not be there? I have no idea why the "Talk" option is appearing at the bottom of your page; is that happening with every article and page or just some? MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@KateBrown0628:, welcome to the Teahouse. Only a guess of course, but did you change anything in your Special:Preferences settings by chance? Wikipedia has several so-called "skins" to choose different interface layouts, and some of them come with different button and menu placement. If that's not the case, it would be great if you could give a few more specific details please (for example: How did you change your user page and where? Did you change anything else, that might influence your window setup? etc.). Without such details, it's often difficult to offer specific advice. GermanJoe (talk) 14:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Help

Please read these comments and help me, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/HorseManJack#Clerk,_CheckUser,_and/or_patrolling_admin_comments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Talal_Malik_(entrepreneur)

some guys are discouraging my edits and don't know policies, accusing others with me as well. If Wikipedia is all about personal assumptions let me know so I can quit using it because it has become a Mafia that is owned by some old users. User Smartse deleted my 1 month old article under A7 while WP:SIGNIFICANCE says if a subject is even mentioned in reliable sources it cannot be speedy deleted. He is an old user yet he did this and continuously violating policies. I read his history of contributions and his comments, I think they are a group of people always exchanging emails to nuke new users and discouraging the purpose of Wikipedia. They are deleting many articles that meet Wikipedia policies. Is there anyone who have a courage to check them? or being an old user permits you to play with information and worlds largest portal the way you want? I can't believe they are keep accusing again and again without any evidence and now threatening of sending emails to each other. I don't understand why they are taking it personally, the AFD 7 days were passed and they prolonged it with false accusations. That really hurts to see Wikipedia is actually became a Mafia. Kevin055 (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kevin055 and welcome to the Teahouse. As an ordinary editor like you, I dislike a situation where administrators discuss a matter by private e-mail, since we are all supposed to be collaborating here, but in this case I see no evidence of a "Mafia", just a suspicion about sockpuppets (no evidence of this) and possibly paid or privately co-ordinated editing (not proved, but I dislike this too). Having looked at the references provided, I cannot find one in which Talal Malik is discussed in any depth. There are mentions to prove that he exists, and even a quote from him on another matter, but not evidence of notability in the wikipedia sense. Dbfirs 16:20, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Kevin055 - Raging publicly about how unfair Wikipedia is is not the most constructive way to accomplish any particular goal in Wikipedia. You haven't answered the question of whether you are being paid for by Talal Malik. You say that "they" (and I am not sure how you mean) are deleting many articles that meet Wikipedia policies. Are you referring to AFD deletions, which are the result of consensus, or to WP:A7 deletions? If you have evidence of specific violations of deletion policy, please provide it. You can appeal either AFD deletions or A7 deletions to deletion review. Unfortunately, what I see is a paid editor who has discovered that they don't get a friendly welcome in Wikipedia, and is raging about it, and this will result in an even unfriendlier treatment. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:49, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Kevin055, the article Alpha1Corp was indeed speedy deleted under WP:CAS#A7. I might not have accepted this tag, but it was well within the range of admin discretion. No clear claim of significance appeared in the article. WP:CCS says: While the responsibility to provide such a claim of significance (either in words or in references) rests with the person adding the article/material, good form dictates that any new page patroller conducts at least some rudimentary search on their own before tagging any new article on any speedy criteria.. You could ask for deletion at WP:REFUND, and then edit to more clearly state any claim of significance. In any case the article would not long remain without establishing notability, a higher bar normally requiring significant discussion in reliable sources. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talal Malik (entrepreneur)] is a still-open consensus discussion on whether to delete an article, primarily on lack of notability grounds. Any editor may comment there, there is no hidden Mafia. However comments which misstate oir confuse or ignore policies and past consensus, will probably not persuade. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

• I've blocked the above user for spamming and likely undeclared paid editing. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Question about website link in infobox

Hello Teahouse and fellow tea-fans!

I am drafting a page on a company. I updated the inbox and for the company's website, it just shows a number and an outgoing link sign. Whereas I would prefer to show the URL there. Could you please let me know what I'm doing incorrectly? Thank you so much!

Draft:SeneGence International, Inc. SunnyBoi (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey SunnyBoi. Now fixed. GMG^talk 15:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

{{Official website}} is actually for an external links section. {{URL}} is for an infobox and displays the url as requested. I have changed it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah. Yes. You're right. Good catch. GMG^talk 15:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't affect the review but it's recommended to use {{Infobox company}} and not the general {{Infobox}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Show my page on serp

Hi,

There is a Wikipedia article that was created but does not appear to have been indexed by Google and does not show up in SERP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahul3004 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

courtesy link: S L Raheja Hospital (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi Rahul3004, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace") says: "Articles younger than 90 days are not indexed, unless they have been patrolled". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Scarlet Grace - Page

hello everyone, I'm desperately looking for assistance. I'm new to the wiki world and was wondering if someone would be so kind to help me. I seem to be breaking all the rules at the moment and I'm only trying to publish a page. Scarlet Grace, a young actress who is recently in a Hollywood film. what is the best way to proceed/ get it live? Best wishes, Matthew Mdbinge87 (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Matthew Mdbinge87, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm not a Teahouse host, so they will answer your question best. I have been editing for just over a year and am always learning! I wanted to let you know that I've updated the draft page so that it better fits in the style of biographies of young actors. Have you looked at some of the pages in this category below? They might give some ideas for formatting and useful inclusions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_child_actresses

I looked at the references on her IMDb page, but unfortunately the news links are broken and I don't have access to my library's news database. It would definitely help to include more articles so that it's referenced and verifiable. Before it could be considered for approval, I'd also consider the ToS - if you are representing Scarlet then it would be a conflict of interest, but you could declare that on your talk page. I hope this helps and I'm sure a Teahouse host will be able to better advise! Happy editing! SunnyBoi (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mdbinge87: As per the message I left on your talk page, undisclosed paid editing is not tolerated on Wikipedia. You must properly disclose your relationship to this individual before making even one more edit about her. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Policy on recursive links?

Can someone tell me the Wikipedia policy (if there is one) on recursive links? By recursive links, I mean ones that simply jump back to the beginning of the same page, not to any specific section or heading. I personally find them not only completely useless, but EXTREMELY annoying. They provide no context or clarification, and seem to be put in just so something, or someone, can have a link, without the editor going to the trouble to provide any specific or unique information. I delete them (with explanation) whenever I find them, and have never had a deletion challenged, but was wondering if there was a specific policy for, or against, their use. Gil gosseyn (talk) 04:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Gil gosseyn and welcome to the Teahouse.

I had to look at some of your edits to figure out that you are actually talking about links to redirects that turn out to be pointing back to the page. The relevant discussion is at WP:self-redirects and, yes, these kinds of links to redirects are to be avoided. Simply unlinking them is acceptable, though in some cases it may be desirable to modify the redirect to point to a specific section or other anchor within the page as an aid to navigation. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

However, Gil gosseyn, jmcgnh, when the link is to a "redirect with potential" that an editor reasonably expects to be converted to a separate article in the future, leaving the link may be a good idea, much like a redlink. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

jmcgnh The links that I am seeing have NO illuminating content on the page, otherwise I agree, I would point them to it. DESiegel At least redlinks stand out as needing content. These others masquerade as legitimate links while accomplishing nothing. If there is potential for a redirect, they should leave it as a redlink until someone fulfills that "potential." Gil gosseyn (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Then feel free, Gil gosseyn, to remove such links when they add nothing to an article. The redirects may have value in other articles, so don't change those, simply unlink them. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Showing a death

How to amend a persons status to show hes died.

Hi, I would like to show that the actor John Stride has died. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2018/04/24/john-stride-actor-obituary/

But am not sure what steps it is necessary to go through.

Any help appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob77 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mary Jane Doerr. Welcome to our Teahouse. That's sad news about John Stride. As yet, no one has updated the English wikipedia page for him, and he doesn't appear to have one on Italian Wikipedia, so I'm confused why you would want to inform the Italian editors. The approach I have taken in the past is to simply leave a url and a very brief note in English (or via Google translate) on the relevant Talk page. You could certainly do that on the English page here,or make the changes yourself. Does that sound sensible? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes: it looks like two different users questions got mixed here. I don't know why the sign bot isn't signing posts, but I added the unsigned templates. 134.223.230.156 (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Right-wing UK groups

Hello all,

I have recently joined Wikipedia and I have lately been editing articles on right-wing organisations in the UK.

There are a group of editors who have clearly been working on the site for much longer than I have who are "picking and choosing" information (mostly from very biased sources) to include in articles seemingly in order to create a bias against these organisations.

Have a look at:

Football Lads Alliance (which isn't even right-wing but sources biased against the movement label as such) and Britain First.

I'm wondering if there are some more experienced editors that can help remove this bias.

Kind regards, PlatinumHeron (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

hello, PlatinumHeron, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is the sort of thing that should normally be discussed on the article talk page. Be prepared to cite reliable sources which say that the groups are not right-wing, or that describe them better, in your view. If you cannot come to an agreement on the talk page, y0u can go to dispute resolution. Note that sources need not be unbiased as long as they are reliable, and are not given undue weight. Remember the Bold, revert, discuss cycle. 19:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DESiegel (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, PlatinumHeron. Football Lads Alliance is referenced to The Times and The Independent and The Guardian, all of which are highly reliable journalistic sources. There are even more sources in Britain First. Wikipedia summarizes what such reliable sources say, and the characterization of these groups in the sources is clear. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Just to know

If an user removes his/her warnings, what warning/advisory template should I use? 187.74.161.93 (talk) 22:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is not necessary to use any warning or advisory template. Per WP:OWNTALK, "The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. This specifically includes both registered and unregistered users. (Many new users believe they can hide critical comments by deleting them. This is not true: Such comments can always be retrieved from the page history.)" — Mudwater ^(Talk) 22:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Neither necessary, nor in fact called for. You're exactly correct: it's an editor's right to remove warning templates at will. Ravenswing 22:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. 187.74.161.93 (talk) 00:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

HELLO EVERYONE— Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbyHayes4 (talk • contribs)

Hi, AbbyHayes4. Anything we can help you with? -- kewlgrapes (talk, contribs) 01:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

AbbyHayes4 is just looking for the sandbox. Alexis Jazz (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Missing references (in Leandro Soto Ortiz page)

Hi,

Somewhere along the way in editing this page, I'm missing references in edit, except #1 -- there are three others, which work on the public page. I don't want to continue editing until this is fixed... Can somebody please help me? Can I put the link to the edit page here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraj210 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Leandro Soto Ortiz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello, Lauraj210, and welcoem to the Teahouse. Yes, in future, do please incluede a wiki-link to any article you mention here, like Leandro Soto Ortiz. There are citations using <ref>...</ref> tags in the article, try searching the wiki-text for "<ref". They are not all ideally formatted, and may not all be good sources, but they are there. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello DES Leandro Soto Ortiz, but I can't seem to link the edit page. Is this not allowed? Here is the Notes and References edit page:

==Notes and References==

{{Reflist|refs= <ref name=RAMP_1>{{Cite open archival metadata | author = Finding aid author: Ximena Valdivia | title = Guide to the Leandro Soto papers | url = http://proust.library.miami.edu/findingaids/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=103 | date = 2008 | repository = University of Miami Libraries | location = Coral Gables, FL | accessdate = March 31, 2014 }}</ref> }}

And that's all there is. I can't see anything wrong with the citations in edit, but correct me if I'm wrong! Can you tell me why I'm suddenly missing #2, #3 and #4? I changed 'References' to 'Notes and References', but I don't see why I suddenly lost the remaining references, which were there before... I've read link after link after link on citations, but I'm going to ask a really dumb question: how do you search the wiki-text for "<ref" (you mean "<ref>"?) Cheers from the US Lauraj210 (talk) 20:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

No. The "<ref" was deliberate, because some may be defined not as "<ref>" but as "<ref name=...">. To understand that the refs are in the text, rather than in the references section, you need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lauraj210: Many browsers can search a string on the current page with Ctrl+f. This also works on other websites. At the top right of the edit area on a Wikipedia edit page you may also have a magnifying glass icon to search the edit area. There are different editing tools so I cannot be sure you have it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Lauraj210 here are the relevant excepts from the wiki source:

• Soto also founded a creative workshop, El Tesoro de Tamulte, in Tabasco, Mexico, from which professional artists emerged).<ref>https://www.worldcat.org/title/tesoro-de-tamulte-arte-desde-el-tropico/oclc/58678600</ref>
• Throughout his artistic career, he has demonstrated an interest in religion, ritual, and the mythology of indigenous people.<ref>Blanc, Giulio, "Review on Leandro Soto", Miami: Art Nexus, October 1994, pp 108-9</ref>
• {{Reflist|refs= <ref name=RAMP_1>{{Cite open archival metadata | author = Finding aid author: Ximena Valdivia | title = Guide to the Leandro Soto papers | url = http://proust.library.miami.edu/findingaids/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=103 | date = 2008 | repository = University of Miami Libraries | location = Coral Gables, FL | accessdate = March 31, 2014 }}</ref> }}

I see that one source has been inserted as a "List-defined Reference",(where the citation detail are in the reference section) and the other two have not. Either format works, but it can be confusing to mix them, although it displays correctly. I like LDRs myself, but they are not used all that often, some editor find them confusing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

How can i move my artical

Pease help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckynagaram (talk • contribs) 01:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Luckynagaram, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. That is done with the move function. However this is only available to auto-confirmed users, which requires at least ten edits, and an account at least 4 days old. In the mean time youcan ask any exprienced user to do any moves on your behalf. However, if this is about Draft:Emaindhi Naalo, I don't think that draft is yet ready for the main article space. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 05:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, please sign messages here and on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). And please provide a wiki-link to the article or page you are asking for help with in future. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 05:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Rapidly undo lots of edits

Hi, I was wondering if there was a fast way to undo a lot of edits. I ask because of the conclusion of a discussion here in which the edits of a certain person show a conflict of interest and are not accepted by the scientific community. This person has spent a lot of time adding diagrams to try and make it seem like this isn't the case and also cites his own paper. EvilxFish (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello EvilxFish and welcome to the Teahouse.

You may be thinking of ROLLBACK, but it's not clear that would be an appropriate tool to apply to this case. When I've asked about this in the past, an experienced admin seems to have individually undone a user's most recent edits to a whole pile of pages, but only where they were the most recent edits. Any pages where there had been intervening edits were left untouched and I eventually just had to do them one-by-one manually. It was only slightly annoying and tedious, but it got the job done in a relatively short amount of time. It helps if you have a list of the pages that need to be handled. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh:Thanks, I and someone else from the chemistry group ended up doing it manually removing all instances based on the guys contribution history, we think we have got all instances but aren't certain. EvilxFish (talk) 08:38, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Italian Wikipedia

How do I send an article to the Italian Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Jane Doerr (talk • contribs) 19:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Mary Jane Doerr:, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am assuming that you want to translate an en-Wiki article over to the Italian-language Wikipedia? We have some basic information about this at Wikipedia:Translate us. All language-specific Wikipedia projects are autonomous with separate (but often similar) rules and administrations. From en-Wiki's PoV the most important aspect is proper attribution of the original English-language article based on the site's Creative Commons license. The linked page contains some basic guidance, but if you get stuck with any it-Wiki specific problems I recommend to contact experienced it-Wiki editors for further assistance. They have an it-Wiki "help desk" at it:Aiuto:Sportello_informazioni. GermanJoe (talk) 09:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Hello Mary Jane Doerr. The Italian Wikipedia is independent from the English Wikipedia, so you will have to follow their instructions. If you can read Italian, a good place to start to read their guidelines would be it:Aiuto:Voce. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Where to upload pictures of Management team of college for an article

Hello Everyone,

Please guide me where should I upload (wiki images or commons) the pictures of management team people for my article Kelvin Institute of Technology?~~ Their names are being discussed in the article.

Thanks in Advance Priyanka Berry 08:54, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Rather than worrying about pictures, you could deal with the lack of acceptable references to establish the subject's notability. A link to a scan of a newspaper does not help (and is probably a breach of copyright law and of Wikipedia's policy on copyright); instead you should cite the newspaper article, giving name, date, page number, author, etc. Unless you can establish that the Institute is notable, the article is in danger of being deleted. Maproom (talk) 10:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Why my article keeps on getting deleted after alsways making changes as per the guidelines?

Dr. Meghana Dikshit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

i have been trying to write an article since a month and everytime i write it gets rejected. I have written it with several references and also in my own experience. Evertime i changed the content and have added references. There is always showing an another issue that comes into the place. Why is this happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirthshah23 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey Tirthshah23. It looks like your article was deleted for two reasons. First, it did not credibly indicate why the subject might be important enough for an article. Second, it was unambiguous advertising that would have needed to be fundamentally rewritten in order to comply with our standards for neutrality and our standards for promotionalism. GMG^talk 12:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hi. Please help me to change the caption. "Prosecutor general of the republic of azerbaiijan" thi is wrong. It is shood be like "Prosecutor General of the Republic of Azerbaijan"

Thank you in advance— Preceding unsigned comment added by AzerAliAz (talk • contribs) 12:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey AzerAliAz. It looks like User:Eddie891 already moved it for you. However, because it appears to have been copied and pasted from elsewhere online, it will likely soon be deleted. Content that you add to Wikipedia needs to be written in your own words, in order for you to license the contribution appropriately. Using the work of others constitutes a violation of copyright laws, and we are legally obliged to remove such content. GMG^talk 12:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

AzerAliAz, I deleted both Prosecutor General of Azerbaiijan and Ali Omarov as copyright violations. The image File:Ali Omarov.jpg is still aroundf, but there may be a problem there also. It is listed as "own work" but it looks very much like an official photo. Did you actually take this picture yourself? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the image appears to have been taken from online without permission, and I have nominated for deletion on Commons. GMG^talk 13:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

how do i add death information to a wiki page?

an acquaintance of mine died and i want to edit his wiki page. i've never edited a page before, what do i do? i just created an account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatWolfGuy (talk • contribs) 22:14, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you mean user page (as in this person has a wikipedia account), go on their user page, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:[insert_username]), and click the 'edit' button in the top right. You can insert a deceased tag on his page like this (without the spaces)- { { Deceased } }, which will end up like this:

So sorry to hear this, thoughts are with him and everyone who knows him.
Also, please sign your posts after you create them with the 4 tildes(~). ⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi ThatWolfGuy, welcome to the Teahouse. If it's about a Wikipedia article then the main thing is to include a published reliable source for the death. Your personal knowledge cannot be used in Wikipedia. See Help:Referencing for beginners, or just tell us who it is so we can examine it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

i guess there's a lot more to editing wiki pages than i want to get into ... here's his wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Petercuskie here's his obit: https://www.ccgfuneralhome.com/obit/john-petercuskie not sure what 4 tildes are, but thanks for the info.. oh, maybe it's this: ThatWolfGuy (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC) yaay! i did it!

Hey ThatWolfGuy. I added the death information to the article for you. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. GMG^talk 13:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

thank you, there's so much to this - i see at the bottom things like "categories: living people" and i don't even know how to begin. i don't know what to change and what to leave alone. thank you for doing that ThatWolfGuy (talk) 13:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey ThatWolfGuy. Looks like that has now been fixed also. Incidentally, yes, there is a lot to learn on Wikipedia, but if you're interested, you might consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, which can help to explain a lot about how things work. GMG^talk 13:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Better editor

how do I become a better editor— Preceding unsigned comment added by ACK77 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey ACK77. The short answer, is that if you vandalize any more pages, you will be blocked from editing, and you won't have to worry about it anymore. GMG^talk 13:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I left a welcome message on your talk page, the links may be helpful for you. - ZLEA _Talk\^Contribs 13:30, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Author's photo deleted?

Hi, How do I upload a photo on a page without it being deleted? The author's page says that you can use her picture for things about her. It's part of her media kit. So I don't understand why it was deleted.Rtbailey99 (talk) 03:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rtbailey99, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks as if you have one deleted contribution on Commons, but I can't see deleted items there. If you tell us the file name, we can at least see the deletion log and reason. My suspicion is that the image did not have a valid license tag, and may not have been under a free license. See donating copyrighted materiel for details on the acceptable licenses for uploads. Being part of a "media kit" often doe not mean being released under a free license that Wikimedia Commons will accept. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rtbailey99. Since a big part of Wikipedia's purpose is to create a freely reusable resource, permission to use an image on Wikipedia is not enough: we require that the copyright holder explicitly license the image in a way that will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose. --ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

could you make a gaming fact article about me I will send you the stuff you need

could you make me a article I will give you the information you need — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stinkfeet (talk • contribs)

Probably not, I'm afraid, Stinkfeet, for several reasons. First, Wikipedia is created by volunteers, who work on what they choose when they choose. In order to get a volunteer to write an article about you, you will need to get somebody interested in doing so. That's not impossible, but you haven't so far given anybody any reason to be interested.

Secondly, Wikipedia only has article on subjects that are notable, in the special sense that Wikipedia uses that word: it means that several people unconnected with the subject have chosen to write in depth about the subject, and been published in reliable places, like major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. If there has been such material published about you (written and published completely independent of you) then there could be an article. Otherwise, there cannot be, and no editor is going to put the time in trying.

Thirdly, if there is such material published, then any article about you should be based almost entirely on that material, and very little of it should come from you. So there is no point providing information about yourself.

If you know of several reliable sources that talk about you, by people not connected with you, then you're welcome to give us information about them here, or at requested articles (don't just quote them - give us a URL, or bibliographic information to find them), and somebody might decide to write an article about you. If you can't find these, then give up. --ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• I've blocked OP as WP:NOTHERE. Their entire history is childish vandalism followed by expecting us to make an article about them because they like Fortnite. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help

Hi! Thanks so much for you message on my article. I would love your help with my article, if you would be so kind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gregg_Ryder Thanks again, Footballtrivia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballtrivia00352 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Footballtrivia00352, and welcome to the Teahouse.

• The draft Draft:Gregg Ryder seems to need additional independent published reliable sources to help establish the notability of Rydeer. Please add them.
• If there are any English-languagte sources available, please cite them.
• Please read Referencing for Beginners and format your citations to include bibliographic information such as title, author, publication date, publisher, and the what newspaper, magazine, journal, or website the source is contained in, if any. Also include the page number if the source is printed or is a PDF.
• The word "Þrottur" appears twice in the draft. Please use an English word, or provide a translation of this term, so that it can be understood by readers who do not know the original language.

I hope this is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:38, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Move my artical in to artical space

Hii i have written an artical based on school(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Luckynagaram/sandbox) and given references it has been searched by many people but there is no artical about it .so i created one so please i am requesting admin to move the page in to artical space.

Thank you Luckynagaram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckynagaram (talk • contribs) 19:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at User:Luckynagaram/sandbox was declined for reasons explained on the draft and on your user talk page (with numerous wikilinks to further advice). You resubmitted the draft without addressing the problems; to do so might be regarded as disruptive editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Luckynagaram - welcome to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry, but I cannot see anything you've drafted at all here. Did you write something using another account? If so, you'll have to give us more information to go on. If what you wrote was on another website, this is very unlikely to be something that anyone here at the Teahouse would move into mainspace for you, especially as it would be your copyright, so only you could do it. We always recommend preparing a draft in your own sandbox first, or going via Articles for Creation. Hope this helps. Come back with more information, if you wish. Reply struck - my mistake. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Need Help With Metallica Articles

Hello Kellyiscool37 (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

It Is Kellyiscool37,I Had Made a Article on the Metallica Box Sets Recently Popping Up as nobody Mentioned it on the specific Pages of the Albums,A Few Hours after i Had Submitted the Article,It Had Been Declined for Reasons Unknown but Probably Due to Uses of Links and citations.If Someone Can Make that article for Me.I would Personally thank You

Hey Kellyiscool37. Your draft was declined for exactly the reason it says on your talk page notification. Specifically, it does not include any references whatsoever. Content on Wikipedia needs to be based on sources that meet our standards for reliability so that information in articles can be verified by readers. To learn more about how to do this, you should consider reviewing our tutorial on referencing for beginners. GMG^talk 18:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes,I Get that,But Can you ask anyone to make that same article better and more refined as a whole

By that do you mean you want someone to write it and add references for you? Vermont (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kellyiscool37: a good guideline to look at would be WP:Notability (albums) which explains the kind of sourcing we'd need to see for an album (in your case a box-set) Wikipedia article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Public Domain Information.

O yes, a good cup of tea and a chat what more could we desire!

After reading many articles in Wikipedia, I believe that I have information which is valuable and informative. Interestingly I am attempting to learn the rules and editing formatting educate. After reading and thinking about the information on verification of original source information, may I present a question which I am attempting to understand. The importance of verification of all information is without question. In my attempt to fully disclose information from original historical documentation from 1830 to 1850 I have presented.

• The date and full location of the historical documentation.

• A scanned image of the original document.

• The book and page number when in the public domain.

• The Newspaper article with date, name, and location.

• The electronic versions from reliable internet sources, who present the public domain information.

• Photocopies from established respectable American libraries.

I have placed the above information into a blog page on my website. I have been told that Blog pages are not reliable; however, I know that all my information is reliable!

Question: If I present the Links to additional websites confirming all that I am attempting to present will this be deemed as expectable to Wikipedia?

Conclusion: I understand the editing process which out of necessity confirms that all information may not be required by Wikipedia, I have no problem with this. I am, however, interested in understanding then complying with the method of the Wikipedia editing process.

Thanking you in advance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MikeWilkins/sandbox&redirect=no

MikeWilkins (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you aware that Wikipedia already has an article on Robert Matthews? Maproom (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

MikeWilkins

• If you want to propose changes to Robert Matthews (religious figure) do so at Talk:Robert Matthews (religious figure) , not in a sandbox or on a new draft page.
• Wikipedia dos not generally need or want scanned images of source documents. Bibliographic information about published sourced (title, date, publisher, author, publication in which the work was included, URL if published online) is sufficient. If the documents have not been published, then a scan posted to a blog will not make them acceptable sources. Getting a reliable publication to publish or discuss them probably would,however.
• If the links you mention constitute reliable sources then they could be cited in a Wikipedia article. Otherwise, not.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi DESiegel, and all the helpful editors at Wikipedia. Many thanks for your concise response. After reading your remarks and the communications from the other editors I now see the excepted method of moving forward.

All the new information which I will post on Wikipedia has the published source title, publisher, author, and a URL.

I look forward in moving forward slowly one point at a time, with all the required verification as required by Wikipedia.

One last question. Is there any method of presenting the proposed new information to experienced Wikipedia editors who are able to review the text for compliance with all the Wikipedia guidelines and rules? Thanking you in advance.

MikeWilkins (talk) 16:17, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The best way to do that for an existing article is to post to the article talk page, in this case to Talk:Robert Matthews (religious figure). There you should describe your suggested changes, and cite your sources that you believe support them. That is the standard method for starting a discussion about improvements to an article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I will add that posting in an article's Talk does not guarentee a timely reply. If other editors are not interested in the article, no one may look at what you propose. One way of sensing how actively changing an article is, is to click on View history for the article. That will show dates for edits, and whether many or a few people are involved. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Searching for citation links

Is there a method by which one may search for sources across a number of articles? I was unsure how to phrase this question, but I am looking to find articles where links to blacklisted websites like WorldNetDaily have been cited and remove those citations. Please ping me with a response. Etzedek24 ^{(Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?)} 20:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Etzedek24: Is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=www.wnd.com%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch what you were looking for? --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC) (please  mention me on reply; thanks!)

@Emir of Wikipedia: Yes, the first one was what I was looking for! I knew that there was a feature for searching links but I was not aware of specifically how to access it. Thanks! Etzedek24 ^{(Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?)} 20:38, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Contact contributor

I would like to contact wiki contributor wonderland2001 from de.wikipedia.org (for some info source on one of the articles worked on by this person in 2017 Asian month project. The link for the page is : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Schoettler

Pls advise how this can be done. Thank you, SchotTak (wiki username)

You may leave a message on that user's talk page: [2]. According to the userbox on their userpage [3] this user has a strong ability to communicate in English. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft deletion

If I want drafts in my user:talk space deleted do I tag as G7? Thanks, Cesdeva (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cesdeva. If you are the only substantive contributor to the draft, then the answer is "yes". Blank the page and tag it per the instructions at WP:G7. An administrator will delete the pages promptly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Do you think something like "this criteria applies to sole-authored drafts in user:talk" could be added to the advice in WP:G7? Unless I'm the only one who forgets what tag to use... Cesdeva (talk) 20:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cesdeva: It applies to any page where "...the only substantial content of the page was added by its author." It is not limited to User space. RudolfRed (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Yes I gather that,thanks. It's just hard to realise that G7 can be used for the rather niche 'User talk:' drafts when its big brother G13 is hollering down the hallway about deleting abandoned drafts (albeit 'Draft:' ones). Regards, Cesdeva (talk) 21:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Cesdeva, there is a significant difference between deleting a draft that has not been edited in over six months (abandoned), and deleting a page (of almost any kind) that the only significant author is asking to be deleted. As an administrator, if I saw an abandoned draft that was anywhere close to an acceptable encyclopedia article, I would edit it and make it into an acceptable encyclopedia article. But I will respect a currently active editor's request to clean up their own userpages as they see fit. I hope that you can see the distinction. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I understand now, thanks for your help. Cesdeva (talk) 09:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

{{db-g7}} works but I recommend {{db-u1}} when the page is in your own userspace. It can also be used if others have edited the page. By the way, it's preferred to create drafts and test pages as subpages of your user page User:Cesdeva and not your talk page User talk:Cesdeva. The latter can cause confusion, e.g. if users and tools think it's archives of the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I once read an essay a long, long time ago about 'talkspace vs userspace' for drafting. It concluded the former was better because it was less conspicuous, thus drafts remained concealed from less-honest editors who hawk other's userspace for content. I realise now that I'm not in much danger of that, and that more bots and automated tools are running nowadays. I will then gladly follow your advice @PrimeHunter:. Kind regards, Cesdeva (talk) 21:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Why my contribution has been removed

> Yesterday, I made 2 contributions. One was on Cosmetology and other was on Cosmetics. The reason why I am writing here is, from both of the pages, my contribution has been removed. I gave all the explanation and reasons for my changes and the source code was a from.Edu website. Still, some of the editors removed it and giving some reason about the unauthorized source. How they can define, its unauthorized?

Editor with the name of KH1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KH-1 edited my contribution. I am still wondering if someone adding a content from Educational website blog, which is accredited as well, how it can be unauthorized? And if it is, then what kind of sources can be accepted? I am still confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulbtrivedi (talk • contribs) 12:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rahulbtrivedi, welcome to our Teahouse. You did the right thing by politely asking the editor for an explanation, but obviously you were concerned enough to ask here too. It's not that your edits were damaging, it's more that they didn't actually add anything much to either article. Some might call that 'waffle', nor were the sources desperately reliable - rather more promotional than really informative. It's quite common for new editors to have their first few edits undone and for it to seem a personal slight, but this isn't the case. I hope you feel confident to add new cited factual content to other articles. You might like to read this article on reliable sources. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello Rahulbtrivedi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't speak for KH-1 (who could have left an editsummary), but to me your edits [4][5] sounds like WP:PROMOTION, like you're trying to use WP to recruit students. The source you used makes me think this even more. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Rahulbtrivedi I must agree. https://florida-academy.edu/cosmetologists-have-one-of-the-most-in-demand-careers/ is a promotional page from a commercial school trying to attract students. It is not a reliable source. Moreover, your addition was directly copied from this site, which would not be acceptable even if the site had been a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a source of career advice, nor a place to promote particular schools. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

DESiegel It was copied to give a right reference and that's why citation has been used.Rahulbtrivedi (talk) 18:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Rahulbtrivedi, in this edit you added to the article (not in a footnote) the sentence Cosmetology covers a vast array of specialties which is why it is such an in-demand career field. That is an exact copy of the first sentence in the web page cited as a source. That sort of thing is not permitted on Wikipedia -- sources are used as a a place to get facts, not as a place to get sentences (except for quotes marked as such and properly attributed). However, even had you reworded the sentence, the cited source is a promotional page, and the content is not appropriate for the article. I don't know what your intent was, and to some extent I don't care -- that kind of promotional page cannot be used as a source here, nor can that kind of content be included in an article here, even with the best of intent. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Christophe Jaffrelot ‎

I don't understand why Christophe Jaffrelot (or me as he asked me to do so) can't modify his own page on wiki. We did so on the French wiki without any problems (after we explain we just wanted to actualize the page (bio and bibliography) and add a photo, photo that I took myself, so which is ok for me to use. What is the problem for you ? I really have to change the page as my boss Christophe Jaffrelot asked me to. What can I do to let me do it ? I deleted the previous text to put a new one because Christophe Jaffrelot wanted me to do so. The new text was not that long. On the French wikipedia, it is all right. I understand what you ask me to do, change the existing page and not just put a new one. Do you mean it is impossible for Christophe Jaffrelot to change his own page? Please, let me put a new biography and bibliography of Christophe Jaffrelot on the English wikipedia as it is on the French one. Juchie G — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuchieG (talk • contribs) 12:47, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy liunk Christophe Jaffrelot (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Each language's Wikipedia has its own rules, so the French rules do not apply here. If you are trying to edit on behalf of your boss you need to read the guidance on conflict of interest and the mandatory requirements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@JuchieG: It is really horrible when one's boss demands that you take action. You have fulfilled that obligation, but please invite him here so that he can read and learn that English Wikipedia does not care one iota what he thinks about himself. We really don't. We have absolutely no interest in what he thinks, nor what he demands his employees to do for him. We only care what independent sources say about him, and he has absolutely no right to demand his employees update his Wikipedia page for him. You have my sympathies. You have tried to make changes, and other editors have undone those edits. Your duty was fulfilled. If he gets cross - tell him he misunderstands the purpose of Wikipedia, and that you have done your job. Both you and he have what we call a Conflict of Interest, and he has put you in a situation where we are close to blocking you from editing. I don't see that as your fault - I see it as his. Please, both of you, read that link, and Wikipedia rules obliges you to declare any editing for which you are being paid. Please also read this policy: WP:PAID and act upon it if you wish to edit further. Whilst is not impossible for him to edit his own page, we do require that declaration to be made, and we strongly urge against him trying to do so. Any photo that you have taken of him is your own copyright. You are quite entitled to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and to release it under a CC-BY-SA licence which allows anyone to use it, whether for private or for commercial purposes. If you don't like that idea, don't upload it. Simple as that. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Username

How do I change my username to look different from others when signing posts?YoloMaxi GT (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, YoloMaxi GT, welcome to our Teahouse. Whilst you've only been here 6 days and now want to change your signature, I've been here over eight years and really can't be bothered! But maybe Wikipedia:Signature tutorial might be a good starting point for you? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks I'll be sure to check it out. @Nick Moyes: Thanks for telling me about Wikipedia:Signature tutorial didn't know about it until you told me. Thanks! YoloMaxi GT 01:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

First Catholic school in PA

There is a historical marker in Bally, PA which reads: Re-named Bally for Father Augustin Ball. The third Roman Catholic mission and first Catholic school in the State were established here in 1743 by Father Theodore Schneider. Making this Catholic school the oldest continuously operating Catholic school for boys and girls in the original thirteen colonies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.79.106.237 (talk)

Welcome, 50.79.106.237. Thank you for letting us know about the historical marker in Bally, Pennsylvania. A fascinating slice of life, to be sure! Chetsford (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Both the church and the school are mentioned in our article about Bally, Pennsylvania. I suspect that a separate article about the church and/or the school would be justified. That would be a great project for a new editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing information about yourself

Hi there, I am a New Zealand singer/entertainer and I see someone has posted information about me. I'm not sure how Wikipedia works but upon discovering this information I decided to edit and correct here and there. I have noticed that much of my editing says ' citation needed'. If the information is about my career then surely I am the best person to verify my own career information In many instances, I'm unsure how to get citation. For example I was a celebrity dancer on 2008 New Zealand Dancing With The Stars. I'm unsure how to verify this other than with a newspaper article. Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you. Kind Regards Tina Cross ONZM— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cross.sullivan (talk • contribs) 00:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Cross.sullivan: We cannot accept personal knowledge as a reference, even from an article subject, since article content must be verifiable by reliable published sources. However, a newspaper article from a reputable publication would generally be an acceptable reference. I would also strongly recommend that you read the guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest, which includes editing an article about oneself. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Cross.sullivan, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. To learn more about how to create and format citations, please read Refrencin for Beginners. In general, you provide bibliographic information about the source. For example, for a newspaper you would provide the title of the article (its headline), the name of the paper, the date of publication, ad the page or pages on which the article appears. If three is a byline, note that as well, please. If a copy of the article can be found online, provide the URL also. This can be done with the {{cite news}} template, or manually. There are other citation templates, such as {{cite book}}, {{cite magazine}}, {{cite journal}} and {{cite web}}, among others. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:57, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Cross.sullivan DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:58, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Undo request

Please undo this edit. I am unable to do it because of conflict. User:Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 06:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it's bold of you to simply ask people to undo this edit, without citing an explanation for why users should do so. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:12, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Simply because, this removed a relevant portion of talk page comments, which should either be archived or collapsed, not deleted.User:Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 07:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)