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How do I create a new WIKIPEDIA page? Please answer me... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pippymonsta (talk • contribs) 18:05, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Pippymonsta: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would caution you against diving right in to creating articles. Successfully creating a new Wikipedia article is one of the hardest things to do here. It takes much time and practice. It is best if you start editing by working on existing articles first, so you get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is being looked for in articles. Then, after learning how things work some, you can move up to article creation.

However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, there are some things you can do first. I would suggest using this tutorial which is a good introduction to Wikipedia. Then you should read Your First Article to learn more about the process. After that, you can then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review, before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way, you can get feedback on it before it is formally created, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Can someone give a quick rundown of Twinkle?

Seems a little confusing at first glance, I already read up on the purpose and usage of Twinkle, but I would love to have a quick and simplified explanation of it (especially a "when to use" between different buttons), thanks :) StaringAtTheStars (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@StaringAtTheStars: Personally I find it very useful for nominating articles for deletion using the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion process, which is a very confusing and time consuming multi step process without it. It also eliminates a few steps in nominating articles for deletion using the other processes (Wikipedia:Proposed deletion and Wikipedia:Speedy deletion). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@StaringAtTheStars: As Finnusertop mentioned, it's very handy for nominating articles for deletion. But it's also good for reporting users to various administrator pages (WP:AIV for vandalism, WP:UAA for usernames, WP:SPI for sockpuppets, WP:AN3 for edit-warring), requests for page protection, templated user warnings/notices, and talkback notifications. I don't know how I could live without it! --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Dean Lomax

Hello Teahouse, thanks for the kind message. I hope you can help with a query about the page I created Dean Lomax. Seems it may be deleted but I don't understand why, even after reading about this. How does the red box at the top of the page get removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino710 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dino710! Welcome to Wikipedia. That red box will be there until the discussion it links to is over, I'm afraid. Every day, a lot of articles are created that don't really live up to Wikipedia's ideas of general interest (see Wikipedia:Notability). Some articles that are relevant are taken up for discussion as well. The best thing you can do is to look at the arguments for deletion and see if you can find the kind of citations that those who are arguing against keeping it say it lacks. /Julle (talk) 19:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that Julle. Makes sense. Does it get resolved on its own, then, or does a moderator make the final decision? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino710 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, User:Dino710, a Wikipedia:Administrator will close the discussion and take any action required, but they will do this purely based on the WP:Consensus (i.e: the general decision by most participants) reached in the discussion. So in that sense, no, they have no "final decision". GreyGreenWhy (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Problem verifying new password

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T193769

When I logged in today I got a message telling me to change my password because someone tried to log in to my account and failed. I changed my password but either I typed it out wrong or the site just won't accept the verification. I have tried seventeen times to verify the new password and failed. I have tried to go back to preferences and change the password again but the site won't let me do that unless I verify the new password, which I can not do. Is there any way to get out of this predicament short of making a successor account or am I helpless? -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 18:15, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

This is the third report of this I have seen in the last few hours. It seems like somebody tried to do password resets on a number of users recently. Usually this is not a big deal as it doesn’t actually let the hacker/troll into your account but it seems there is also a software problem or something. I would advise you to hold on while it is looked into, I’m going to open a thread at WP:VPT to have this looked into. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Went to VPT, found this is already under discussion. This was some sort of mass attack/trolling incident. It’s not yet clear why some users aren’t able to reset their passwords. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:41, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. My main problem is I don't have an email account so if I log out of this session I probably would never be able to log back in on this account. Oh well. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 18:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, as a general note, I'd like to add that these messenges should not be understood as a general prompt to change one's password. Someone tried to log in to your account and failed. Your password is just as secure as it was before. What the message does is to ask you to make sure you have a strong and unique (something you don't use elsewhere) password. If you haven't, then, yes, change it, it's a good reminder. But the best time to do so is to change it before someone tries to log in to your account. If you have a unique password and are not planning on changing it to a stronger, and have no reason to believe someone else has access to it, you don't need to pick a new password. /Julle (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I should have been more clear about that, these attempts don’t actually reset your password, but it i a good idea to attach an email to your account for recovery purposes. Many user use a distinct email only for Wikipedia, using free service such as gmail. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Here’s what we know:

• this was some sort of mass action, probably by a malicious bot program
• Today is “International password day” and some troll is probably doing this to amuse themselves
• Password resets are “throttled” to one per day, so if you try again tommorow you should be able to do it, but you don’t actually have to
• Everyone should probably review WP:STRONGPASS and WP:SECURITY to make sure they are doing all they can to protect their account, but this attack/troll/whatever does not represent an actual security breach

Beeblebrox (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if this is significant but I just tried logging out and when logging back in my new password did not work but my old one did work. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

That’s probably because of the password throttle, it hasn’t actually changed it. Apparently there were tens of thousands of failed password changes in the last few hours. The back office security team is expected to put out some sort of statement in the near future. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:39, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Establishing notability by citation as an academic

I appreciate that this is a difficult judgement call but Wikipedia's guidance on notability to the extent it relies on whether an author's work is "highly cited" is difficult to operationalise. For one thing there is no threshold given, and for another, if there were, it does not take into consideration the variability in levels of citation across different disciplines because of differing research and publication practices. To take one example, Sonia Livingstone is one of the most highly respected communications scholars I know of and merits an extensive Wikipedia entry but she does not appear in Clarivate's list of "Highly Cited Researchers". I was thinking of producing a small entry about myself (primarily as an academic) having produced a modestly-successful academic book Sharing Our Lives Online alongside other research mainly about social media and journalism but I don't want to be seen as excessively self-promotional. Should I just put it up and see what the editors think? I don't want to waste their or my time if there was an easy way to judge... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidbrake (talk • contribs) 21:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

This link works better than the one given above. Maproom (talk) 22:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi David, I'd suggest first familiarizing yourself with the content at WP:BLP and WP:AUTOBIO, as autobiographies are generally discouraged. Industry-specific notability guidelines are outlined at WP:SCHOLAR. If you feel you can be objective and have material that meets the requirements, a draft article can be submitted through WP:AFC. Aloha! ー「宜しく 」 クロノ  カム  04:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia notability is less about what you have written, or how often your work is cited (quantity) and more about what has been written about you by people not you. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

David notMD, for scholars, that is not quite accurate. SCHOLAR does give a notability assumption for producing highly cited works. Not certain exactly how it works, but I did stumble upon a discussion of why. Somewhere along the line, it was realized that the vast majority of academic types just weren't written about. The majority of sources available for them lacked independence, as for the most part the only ones writing about them were the institutions that employed them. The sources were reliable and details, so it was decided to give them another way to achieve notability. John from Idegon (talk) 21:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Abuse Accounts!

How do I block accounts? I have found a few pests who seem to be posting sexual and inappropriate information onto our site. We should IP ban these fuckers and show them not to mess with us! Thanks Ross Cunningham — Preceding unsigned comment added by RossCunningham989 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "our site". I see that almost all your own contributions to Wikipedia are vandalism, and you are likely to be banned from editing soon. Maproom (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

And now indefinitely blocked. From first-ever edit to blocked in one week, which is fast, but not a record. David notMD (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If only, David notMD, if only. I've seen multiple instances of accounts going from creation to indefinite block in less than 10 minutes. The fastest I've seen is about 3 minutes, but that one doubled down on an oversightable BLP violation. John from Idegon (talk) 21:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

References in Talk

Hi I added some Talk comments for the Winter of 1946-47 (U.K.). Below my comments appear two footnote references from an earlier section, not mine. Is there a way to have those ref's appear at the end of that section? Alternately, is there a preferred way of separating last comments from earlier references (other than a couple more <return> hits, soon rather messy)? Thanks, GeeBee60 (talk) 13:17, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, GeeBee60. There is a way to fix this. I've added the {{Reflist-talk}} template at the section where those references belong. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Or rather, credit goes to DESiegel who was quicker than me! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, in this edit. Any time that a <ref>...</ref> construct is used on a talk page, GeeBee60, {{reflist-talk}} should appear later in that section, most usually at the end of he section.. This is for future reference. Anyone may add that template anywhere it is needed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:26, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to both Finnusertop and DES for your prompt help! GeeBee60 (talk) 13:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

GeeBee60, Template:Talk reflist is used the same way and has the same function, but produces a slightly different visual output. Either are completely acceptable. John from Idegon (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I am from Turkey and Using Proxies, It is a Problem?

Hello, Due to block of Wikipedia in Turkey, I can enter the website with proxies. It can be a serious problem for my account in the future? Because I know there are many spamming attempts with proxies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MessengerGeek (talk • contribs) 11:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi MessengerGeek! You can ask for an admin to exempt you from the proxy block. See Wikipedia:IP block exemption. It is possible that they'd like you to have some sort of editing history, to show that you're here to help. /Julle (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks bunch, Julle. However it didn't help me. It keeps saying me I am not blocked with proxy and also with Turkish IP too. However thank you for assisting. --MessengerGeek (talk) 22:49, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi MessengerGeek, I'm not sure what you tried, but you probably need to email the functionaries. If you do, make sure to explain your problem in detail and why you need this. I'm not exactly sure what the response to new accounts typically is, but those are the folks you need to talk to. (: /Julle (talk) 23:24, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Closing an account

I got a message saying that someone was trying to hack into my account, and that I should change my password. I went to Wikipedia, logged in, and the same message was waiting for me. I went to the page to change my password, have tried many times, but Wikipedia will not accept the change.

What I want to do is simply close the account so that hackers can't get into it. How do I do that? I don't want to delete any contributions that I've made in the past.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Arnold Rothstein1921 Hello and welcome. If you are saying that your account was hacked, it will need to be blocked. If that's true, you should simply stop using it and create a new one using the procedure described at WP:COMPROMISED. 331dot (talk) 17:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: There’s a bunch of threads (including another one below above on this very page) right now about people getting thee messages, which happen when someone else tries to reset your password, and not being able to change the password. Seems like there is some kind of software glitch with password resets. I don’t think this account was actually compromised. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2018 (UTC) Archived and linked.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I got one of those messages today too, but had no problem changing my password. Never got one before and it was a bit concerning. John from Idegon (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I just got one of those messages too. Is it a software glitch or some concerted effort to attempt to hack Wikipedia accounts? 331dot (talk) 22:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Ditto, and I did change my password, but not through the route offered by the message in question. See a section below above for better disuccsion. David notMD (talk) 00:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC) Archived and linked.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Can someone help me put the same image that I added to a Finnish article into the English and Estonian versions?

I'm new here, and I don't want to mess anything up, so it would be hugely appreciated if someone would tell me how to do this properly.

I added a photo (own work) of the title page of a 1789 book called 'Mythologia Fennica' to this article:

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythologia_Fennica

Now I would like to have the same image displayed in the English and Estonian versions:

https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythologia_Fennica

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythologia_Fennica

I also have photos of passages of the book (as I own a copy) that are quoted in a Finnish article about the god Ukko, but that's another project... — Preceding unsigned comment added by W41n4m01n3n (talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, W41n4m01n3n! I have added the image to the English Wikipedia one, but I have not done the Estonian one, for I am not familiar with its language or site. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello @W41n4m01n3n: you can post the same image at en.wikipedia and et.wikipedia by just using the standard image formatting [[File:nameofimage.jpg|right|thumb]] on English for example (and look at any Estonian page with a picture to see how they phrase their version). The file is on Wikimedia Commons, so it will link fine for any Wikimedia project.

One clarification though: if you take a faithful exact picture of a work (you haven't added anything to it to make it a new thing) it is not "Own work" but fortunately since this book is so old it's still okay to use as "Out of copyright" so bear in mind for any future images that "Own work" doesn't apply to photographing artwork or books. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

For Estonian Wiki, you would put [[Pilt:Mythologia Fennica (1789).jpg|right|thumb|insert caption here]] at the top of the page in source editing. I'd do it for you, but since you ask if someone can tell you how to do it, I'll leave it for you to do. Good luck! Please ping me in your reply (if you do). ⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

The Newport Tower

Duplicate of content in another section
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
In the article on the NEWPORT TOWER the text reads, “the remains of a windmill built in the mid-17th century.” This text should be “the remains of a keep of a Catholic Church built in the 14th century.” <ref> Holand, Hjalmar R. 1958, Explorations in America Before Columbus, New York, Twayne Publishers, Inc</ref> Why has Holand’s very exhaustive research, including trips to Europe, been ignored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:648:8401:C49:6079:FD99:E711:30B3 (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Some questions about uploading images of living people

I recently made some signification contributions to the articles for a few living baseball players, Michael Soroka and Al Closter. I haven't uploaded any images yet because I'm struggling to understand the limitations of free use, and of uploading images of living people. What types of photos of living baseball players would be considered okay to upload to Wikipedia? Can I use their headshots from their Baseball-Reference.com pages? Should I use photos from news articles about the players? When are photos considered public domain? Only when they're dead? Closter played in the 60s and 70s, would an image from back then be easier for me to upload than a more recent one? Closter is still alive but has been retired from baseball for decades; I should use a photo of him as a player since that's what he was notable for, correct?

Sorry for the basic questions, and thank you for your answers. –Pugchump (talk) 19:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pugchump! Basic questions is what this page is for! Don't be afraid to ask them.

Copyright belongs to the person who took the picture, not the people in the image. It can be a bit complicated, but the rule of thumb is 70 years after the death of the creator – that is, the photographer. So generally, if images from the 70s are not specifically marked as freely licensed, you won't be able to use them, I'm afraid. /Julle (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

English Wikipedia does use use fair use images, but since you're specifically talking about living persons, that doesn't really help: "Non-free content should not be used when a freely licensed file that serves the same purpose can reasonably be expected to be uploaded, as is the case for almost all portraits of living people", as that page says. /Julle (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, great. Thanks for the answers. What should I do in this case, then? What type of photo of a living person would be the most correct for me to upload? For Michael Soroka, his official MLB headshot is uploaded on both Baseball-Reference.com and MLB.com. I would imagine the license belongs to the MLB, but I can't find any documentation of who the photographer is or was, or of who actually owns the photo. It's posted on multiple sites as far as I can tell from a reverse image search on Google. As for Al Closter, his baseball career predated the concept of official headshots, and so my first instinct was to use a photo of one of his baseball cards, which is something I've seen on several different articles for baseball players who played many decades ago. As with the MLB headshots, I'm not able to find the photographers for these baseball cards. What would be the most correct photos for me to use in this case? Do the images have to be explicitly labeled "free use" for me to use them? If they were labeled as such, how would I find that out? Thanks for your answers, I really appreciate it. –Pugchump (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Pugchump. The best way is to take a photo yourself, if you can. The next be4st is to get the owner of the rights to release an image under a free license. See donating copyrighted materiels and the pages linked there for details. Since no one can now take a picture of him as a player an old image might qualify for fair use under the historic clause, but that is tricky. Many articles are illustrated with images of people long after the events for which they became notable. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

You must assume, Pugchump, that any image found on the net, including an official headshot, is under copyright unless it specifically stated that it is under a free license (and says which one), or is PD, or has a date prior to 1923. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:47, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content says For some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable. However, a bit later, the same page specifically lists a copy of an image from a baseball card as not acceptable. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, DESiegel and Julle. –Pugchump (talk) 23:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

how to create a article

thank you so much for your reply . :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.alindao28 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Michael.alindao28. You can find a good explanation by reading Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

How to alter a title of a photo

This concerns the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Wilson

I would like to alter the title of the illustrated painting which is in the public domain and in Wikimedia Commons. The new one would replace the rather speculative title given at the most recent auction, with one (which I have just discovered) given at an earlier auction that gives the actual location of the image. The new title would be Fecamp Head, Normandy. This was from Sotheby's Belgravia 8 April, 1975. The new title makes more sense as the main boat is flying a French tricolour. How do I do this?BFP1BFP1 (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @BFP1:, and welcome to the Teahouse. The whole process incl. criteria for renaming and a "how to" section is described at Commons:Commons:File renaming. As you uploaded the image, a simple uploader request (or erroneous filename) would suffice as reason. GermanJoe (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I've changed the caption as you recommend. Can you give details of the auction catalogue that uses that name (publication date, place of auction, page or lot number? I'd like to add the evidence for the name to the image's page on Wikimedia Commons (the repository where we keep such images). Maproom (talk) 17:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey BFP1. I have moved the files based on your request as the original uploader. It is now located at File:Fecamp Head, Normandy.jpg. GMG^talk 17:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Wow, you guys beat me to it! I was just editing my reply and previewing when I saw your rapid responses. Thought the Teahouse might stand a bit of decoration.

Fecamp Head, Normandy. Oil on canvas, signed with initials and dated 1871.

-- Paulscrawl (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

BFP1, metadata confirmed: "John James Wilson, Fecamp Head, Normandy, 1871 (Sotheby's Belgravia, 8 April 1975, lot 80)" from p. 14 of British canvas, stretcher and panel suppliers’ marks.Part 5,E to N, National Portrait Gallery. This should be added to Commons. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done GMG^talk 17:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you everybody for the prompt and helpful responses. I will update the text to take account of the new information. I guess that at some time between the two auctions the canvas may have been lined obliterating information on provenance, on the rear of the painting. Thanks to to Paul's excellent reference, this can be reinstated. I have looked up photos of Fecamp on the web and the typical cliff formation can still be detected.BFP1BFP1 (talk) 07:05, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Stub-class to starter-class

At nearly 10k bytes and growing, I wanted to check if the article on Aaron Traywick might be ready to remove the stub tag for move to starter-class. Would you concur in the assessment? Mahalo ー「宜しく 」 クロノ  カム  05:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Chronocam. I agree. The article is no longer a stub. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for providing your input. I've removed the tag. The article has been nominated for Wikipedia's In the News for 29 April, so any further development and expansion by potential contributors would be appreciated, as six days remain in the evaluation period. Onwards! Aloha ー「宜しく 」 クロノ  カム  07:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

are you happy with what i am doing. I know this tale needs more.

Marlena was supposed to be the first Woman in Space right. Well guess what she was Russian. I want to have Latinos in the tale. That this connection be known. Also that Russians be allowed but as long as the Mob was not there. Same with Armenians and Jews as well as Ukraynians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chica.robert (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Chica.robert:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately most of your edits to Eternia seem to consist of fan-fiction and your personal opinion. Such edits are not allowed on Wikipedia - content should be based on established facts that can be verified by published independent reliable sources. I have reverted your edits and added some links with further information to your user talkpage. Please make sure to read some of the information about Wikipedia's purpose and guidelines before making any further edits. Thank you for your consideration. By the way, in case you are a younger editor you may find the advice at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors useful aswell. Hope this helps, but feel free to ask here if you have any additional questions. GermanJoe (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorted

There were three separate posts here, all placed together because SineBot has been napping on the job. I think I untangled them. 134.223.230.152 (talk) 01:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

A bit more untangling. David notMD (talk) 13:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Osu! to osu!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osu! should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/osu! but I can't change the casing! How would one do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalachiGS (talk • contribs) 15:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi MalachiGS, welcome to the Teahouse. Pages cannot start with a lower case letter. osu! used {{lowercase title}} which displays osu! at top of the page itself but many other places like categories and search results will always display the real page name Osu! I have changed {{lowercase title}} to code which still displays lower case osu! but also adds italics as we do for video games. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!(Shared Account) Malachi/Luke (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Requesting image use

Hi - I am trying to get permission to use a photographer's picture of Elisa Izaurralde. I found the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission page and want to make sure I understand it fully before potentially giving the photographer false information. Is all that she needs to do is email an affirmative response after I inform her of the terms of CC by-SA? And then I upload the image and forward the emails to Wikipedia, etc.? Basically, I want to confirm that all she has to do is grant permission in writing and I don't need to ask her to do anything else (e.g. upload the image herself). Thanks for your help and patience. Biochemlife (talk) 09:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Biochemlife, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, that is all that needs to be done. However, be sure that the photographer's email specifically states that the image is being released under CC-BY-SA 3.0, or if another free license is preferred, specifically states what that license is. The email should give the name and/or description of the image(s) being released. If the image has been posted to the web, the URL should be included to confirm just what image is being released. The email should state that the person sending it took the picture and holds the copyright. Be sure that the photographer understands that anyone in the world will be able to reuse or modify the image for any purpose, including for sale, provided only that proper credit is given, and that once an image is released, the license cannot be canceled or taken back.

When you do the uploads, be sure to note on the description page that a grant of permission has been forwarded.

When you forward the email, be sure to include the exact file name(s) to which you uploaded the image(s).

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Great. Thank you so much for your help Biochemlife (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

ORES

Respected hosts, I would like to become a RC patroller. But I heard ORES is required for it. How can I enable it. How can I become a RC patroller.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 16:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read WP:Recent changes patrol? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Path slopu: You can read information about recent change patrol here: Wikipedia:Recent_changes_patrol. No special permission needed, just a willingness to help. There are guidelines on that page you can follow about how to identify bad edits and being nice to newcomers. If instead you are referring to new page patrol, read the tutorial at Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol and then follow the link to ask for permssion. The material there will explain the process. RudolfRed (talk) 17:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@David Biddulph:,@RudolfRed: Respected hosts, thank you for your advices. Kindly please tell about enabling ORES.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 08:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Path slopu: ORES is a a back-end service that assigns a quality score to articles. It is already running on the English Wikipedia, so you do not need to enable anything on your account to do recent changes patroling. However, once you have pages on your Watchlist, you can have them highlighted based on their ORES score by going to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist, scrolling down to "Revision scoring on Watchlist", and checking the "Highlight likely problem edits with colors and an "r" for "needs review"" box. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ahecht:Thank you for your help.PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 13:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

how do I make a good wiki article.

I just do not know how to make a good article I would love to make an article about how vaporwave is changing the music scene but I just don't know how please help if you can thanks xoxo vaporwaveman34. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporwaveman34 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Vaporwaveman34! Glad you'd like to help out here. I could be mistaken, but your topic sounds more like an investigative essay than an encyclopedic article. Telling stories about something that's happening right now is a perfectly valid way of spreading knowledge, but it's not exactly what Wikipedia is doing. We're basically just passing on what others have already written – we don't do original research. I'd recommend that you try to add to the articles that already exist within your areas of interest, making sure to refer to good sources for the information you add. That's a good way to learn how to write an article, because you only need to add a few sentences at a time. /Julle (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vaporwaveman34. Are you aware that we already have a fairly well-developed article about Vaporwave? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

noob 2

hey im a noob 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pippymonsta (talk • contribs) 18:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Pippymonsta has been vandalizing English Wilipedia and has been warned. David notMD (talk) 00:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

And now indef'd as a sockpuppet of Supersupersmartperson. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

why is there not an article about her.

hey I have a small question why don't y'all have an article about the artist Takako Mamiya I love her music and her album Love Trip and it's a real shame that no one has made an article I would make one but I fear of copyrights so please someone make one thanks xoxo vaporwaveman34. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporwaveman34 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

There was, Vaporwaveman34 until it was deleted in 2017. It was determined that it didn't pass the guideline: Wikipedia:Notability (music). It's generally speaking not a smart idea to try to re-create articles that were already deleted once. The exception is if you happen to be knowledgeable about published reliable sources about Takako Mamiya that the average Wikipedian doesn't know even exist. In this case, I'd imagine that would mean you had access to Japanese language music publications from a few decades ago. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

In this case, however, Vaporwaveman34, the article ws deleted by proposed Deletion, not through a community discussion. That means that one editor suggested that it be deleted, and no one objected. Articles deleted in that way will usually be undeleted at the request of any editor at WP:REFUND. I have looked at the deleted version -- it was the barest stub, merely saying that she was a singer and listing the tracks on her album Love Trip. The only cited source was a track listing from Discogs -- no reviews, no news stories, no comments from any independent sources. In short, nothing to establish the notability of this performer. However, that does not mean that she is in fact not notable, and it is not clear how thoroughly that was ever looked into. I would advise starting a draft if you are interested in this topic and willing to put in some work. There you could try to see if sources tending to establish notability could be found and cited. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

There isn't an article on the Japanese wiki, either. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

There are many other more famous personalities from Champakulam

Champakulam- Notable Personalities. Please add Dr. Guru Gopinath — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CDC3:1150:E89F:CAE9:4A4C:18C2 (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Because the article about Guru Gopinath states that he was born in Champakulam, I made the change that you suggested. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

When is something notable?

Dear all,

While browsing through the wiki pages a week ago I saw the page 'List of timetravel games'. I saw the big list of games and noticed that my game wasn't mentioned on the article yet . Just in case you didn't know yet I'm a game designer, historian and writer - but probably not 'notable' enough. So I decided to add my own game to the list but then the question arose: what if people want to know more about the game? So I decided to write an article about my game...

Today I received the following message after creating my article Lost in Time (cardgame):

"This is like a big promotional page about the game, but aside from one link to BGG you've given us no evidence of the Notability of the game, why it matters. Here's the short version of what we need to see:

Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources

that are independent of the topic."

Could you please let me know what you consider 'notable'? And could you please refrain from accusing me of intentionally trying to promote my game?

Thanks!

Kind regards, Jason St.Just — Preceding unsigned comment added by St.Just74 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@St.Just74: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have essentially already been told what Wikipedia considers to be notable- you can also review it by reading WP:N; something is notable if it has gotten significant coverage in independent reliable sources. It isn't enough to merely tell about your game- which is considered promotional on Wikipedia even if that's not your intention- the article must contain only information found in independent sources. 331dot (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Article in Sandbox

Hello Wiki community,

I'm excited to finally join Wikipedia as I've been hoping to include an article about Terry M. McGovern, she is this incredible researcher fighting the HIV/AIDS epidemic who was appointed by President Bill Clinton on his National Task Force on AIDS Drug Development in the 90s. A few people and I would like to create a page and I have begun to add information. Surprisingly, a few other people have recently contributed. I understand the process for the article to be accepted/published does take some time. I don't want to provide too much information as it may not be accepted and I have found many and am still researching articles to cite the information. My question is, with the article currently in my sandbox how do I have someone review it for approval? I would appreciate any help and advice I can get.

Thanks so much, Avid activist for ending HIV epidemic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mailmanpopfam (talk • contribs) 19:21, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

We'll be happy to answer your questions, Mailmanpopfam, but first things first. Are you affiliated with the Mailman School of Public Health? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(ec)Hi Mailmanpopfam, I've checked your sandbox draft, it is already good enough for mainspace so I moved it. Thanks for starting the article, do please continue improving it, and feel free to work on other articles too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:29, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Mailmanpopfam I have placed a COI maintenance tag on the article pending the resolution of the issue raised by Finnusertop, please respond asap. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I am an alumna from the Mailman School of Public Health. What is a COI maintenance tag on the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mailmanpopfam (talk • contribs) 16:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mailmanpopfam A COI maintenance tag is a notice on the article that one or more of the people editing the article may have a confluct of interest, and readers and other editors should take that into account, and be particularly careful to verify sources. Being an alumna would generally be considerd a conflict of interst, but a comparitivly mild one, unlike being an employee of the school, or a family member of the subject of an article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Terry M. McGovern (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Mutiny on the Buses

Hi, Does anyone know how to fix the problems/sabotage of "Mutiny on the Buses," please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Buses

Thank you. Beryl reid fan (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Beryl reid fan: Fixed. Someone forgot to close a link. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, 日本穣, that's great. Beryl reid fan (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Showing the profile information in different languages

Is there a way to automatically translate my userface in English to all other languages? As in, the user that looks at my page sees all English words in their language? Thanks! Tolkien5 (talk) 01:32, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Tolkien5. Set up one of these and write it in English: Wikipedia:Global user page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Finnusertop So do I have to manually put in the code for each language?Tolkien5 (talk) 01:45, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

That is what Wikipedia:Global user page#Example: account for reader's language seems to suggest, Tolkien5. I haven't set up a global user page, in any language, so I don't have any practical advice. Perhaps someone else here at the Teahouse can help you further. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok then, I'll just have to wait for someone else then... Thanks anyways!Tolkien5 (talk) 01:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Tolkien5, I don't think there can be any automatic translation to all other languages - in fact, I'm pretty certain of that since no such translation technology exists (automated translators like Google Translate do a very poor job indeed in the vast majority of languages - its English is sometimes okay, but for most languages it's utterly rubbish). Accoring to the documentation, what the code does is that if you have written several versions of the text in different languages on your global user page, it will display only the relevant version based on the reader's own preferences. --bonadea contributions talk 09:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

That's interesting, and from my experience very true. But maybe there could be some way to at least translate basic greetings like "Hello, and welcome" into all languages? I have manually translated my page into French and Spanish, but all that I'm saying is basic stuff that I think is pretty universal and could maybe be made into some code, no? I'm no expert however, so I don't know. But thanks for answering anyways!Tolkien5 (talk) 10:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Tolkien5: {{int:Hello}} will show a greeting that's translated into the local language (given that someone has translated it at some point). (talk) 11:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi /Julle, I have tried to use your code while checking to see if it works in a language that I haven't made a specific edit for, but it hasn't worked. This is the code right now, in large part copied from the page mentioned above:

Babel user information
en-N This user has a native understanding of English. fr-4 Cet utilisateur dispose de connaissances proches de la langue maternelle en français. es-2 Esta persona tiene un conocimiento intermedio del español. pt-1 Este utilizador tem um nível básico de português.
Users by language

Hello

Welcome to my userpage! If you couldn't already tell, I live in the Western hemisphere, more specifically the Americas.

Tolkien5 (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Tolkien5: Ah, right. So it isn't read on e.g. Danish Wikipedia, but on Meta; and Danish Wikipedia just reflects the text on Meta which is still in English. Sorry for not thinking about that. /Julle (talk) 22:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Julle Thanks for the help anyways! I hope one day it might be easier to at least have basic greetings, but in the meantime I'll do other stuff. Thanks!Tolkien5 (talk) 23:05, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

How to get the new contributed article published?

Hi,

I created a new article. It looks nice, but when I search Wiki, I could not find the article which I created. Thanks. Wei — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weima1 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Weima1:! I'm not sure what article you're referring to, but I'm assuming you mean the one you created on your userpage. That is your userpage. If you want it to be an article, you'll need to create an article. Please see Wikipedia:Notability for info on whether your article is notable enough. Also, please remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Hope this helps! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

This looks very much like an autobiography/CV of the User. It would be entirely inappropriate as an article, per Wikipedia:Autobiography, and would need considerable modification to be retained as a User page, which is supposed to focus on the User's activities as a Wikipedia Editor (see particularly this section). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.143 (talk) 00:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

An UpWork Job Request to add Links...What to do?

I applied to a job on Upwork for an editor to check links on Wikipedia to see what it was about. In part, his return post said "my idea is to insert backlinks to our products on existing Wikipedia pages related to education (all around education) Our product is essay writing service so backlinks have to be aded to some ralted pages.I don't have any concrete Wiki pages on my mind so it's a challenge for freelancer to search for such pages and to insert our link over there. We have had some attempts to add links on some pages, but all of them were not successfull. Moderators on Wiki have removed our links instantly. So before going into details I'd like to ask you can you guarantee that your links will be live within a month?". Should I turn this in to Upwork or is there anything that should be done. I just started editing here (don't have but a tiny bit of text on my page) and don't know if this is common or allowed or what. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greybeard Rich (talk • contribs) 23:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello Greybeard Rich and welcome to the Teahouse.

This Upwork job, based on your characterization, would involve a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use, so it might be good report this incident to Upwork, with the theory that they exercise some control over what's allowed to be advertised on their site.

The activity being described to you is usually called LINKSPAM and it's the attraction of WP as a popular site that draws in the schemers who would like to take advantage, for their own mercenary purposes, of the hard work of WP volunteers. Our system suffers lots of random trollish vandalism as well as lots of commercially-driven changes, nearly all of which is swiftly discovered and reverted. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Guidelines for adding a "See also" link to a page's sub-section

Hi, I'm wondering whether to add a "see also" link to a section/sub-section, and if so, how that should be formatted.

The page I'm interested in editing is: Relaxation (psychology). The "Relaxation techniques" section of that page is a mini-version of the wiki page: Relaxation technique. I think I remember seeing such links on sections of other wiki pages.

I know there's a "See also" section at the bottom of the page, but a more specific link would be useful for that particular topic, both for readers and editors of the pages. I imagine that the section should ideally be a kind of extract or summary of the other page, but by the looks of the differences in content, they don't seem to be as in-sync and symbiotic as I think they should be.

I'm inexperienced in editing Wikipedia pages, so I'm looking for advice or guidelines.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssaea (talk • contribs) 04:22, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ssaea. The standards for "See also" sections are described at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout. The shortcut is MOS:SEEALSO. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:48, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

To answer my own question (above) about adding a "See also" link, I've found the solution on the page: Citation signal, in the "Cf" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssaea (talk • contribs) 04:31, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Alters

Hello. I've just resubmitted my article. I don't know what was the reason of declining it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alters The band has three albums released by official record labels. The third one was released in French label, the previous ones in the Polish labels. The article has 15 references and includes articles in English. Could you please point out my mistakes? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertpludra (talk • contribs) 20:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Which of those 15 references do you believe are to reliable independent sources with in-depth discussion of the subject? Maproom (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Robertpludra: You should also review Wikipedia's plain and simple conflict of interest guide to learn why it is never advisable for you to write about your own band. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 07:16, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

come check out my wiki home page

I don't know where else to tell anyone so i'll say it here comne check out my home page on here it's cool and i'm sorry if i'm acting like a vandile for saying this.i'm a christian conservative vaporwave loving human being and if you are triggered then i'm sorry lol not. 00:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporwaveman34 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is WP:NOTFACEBOOK. The focus of user pages should be providing a foundation for effective collaboration in building an encyclopedia, not social networking. Septrillion (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

This is a project to expand and improve an encyclopedia, Vaporwaveman34. Why are you devoting your attention to your user page (which says nothing about your plans as an encyclopedia editor) as opposed to working on actual encyclopedia articles? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Vaporwaveman34, thanks for the invite to your user page. While I was there I removed two copyright violations and a trademark violation. You probably should listen to the advice above. John from Idegon (talk) 04:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Please consider deleting much of what you have put on your User page, and instead applying your energy to editing articles. The purpose of the User page is to briefly (!) describe what you intend to apply yourself to as an editor, and perhaps your credentials to do that. Info boxes on artists you admire do not belong there, nor YouTube links to same. David notMD (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)