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Getting information from another website

Can I copy information from another website and paste it on Wikipedi?

How to add source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 993musa (talk • contribs) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

No, you must not copy and paste because this would violate copyright law. You may gather the information, but must then re-phrase it in your own words. The template {{cite web}} might be useful for adding the source. See Template:Cite web/doc for details. Dbfirs 20:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Quotation marks in citation url messing up output citation title .

When I cite from google books, I like to include a url that highlights & scrolls to the relevant text, so that the reader doesn't have to search the page for it. However, this requires quotation marks in the url which causes that part of the url to be included in the title of the citation. This is a general problem I frequently encounter, but just to illustrate an example: in this citation , including "Ayer+promoted" at the end of the url causes it to be included in the title. Is there a work around? Using an archive url doesn't work, but should I use a url shortener, or do I have to leave out that part of the url? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaakovaryeh (talk • contribs) 21:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Try replacing the quotation marks with ", which renders the ref as as last, First (2000). Cinderella Dreams: The Allure of the Lavish Wedding. UCP.. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

It works, thank you! Yaakovaryeh (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Twinkle

Question: When i'm reverting with Twinkle, can it automatically send me straight to the warning popup that lets me issue warnings instead of opening a window to the talk page to get to the popup manually? Thanks, PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 16:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

PorkchopGMX Try enabling pop-ups on your browser. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Someone reverted an addition with no good reason - what do I do?

I added pertinent info about a new novel and LakesideMiner wrote he reverted it because it was not constructive, which is both vague and untrue. Also, how can I tell if he is an "official" Wikipedia person, if these exist, or an anti-woman troll? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larissa_Shmailo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slidingsca (talk • contribs) 21:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

LakesideMiner is an editor, much as most of us are, i.e., not an Administrator. What you added - much of which I have again deleted - was not appropriate fora Wikipedia article. A lot that remains is not appropriate either. It's not you, it's not LakesideMiner, it's just stuff that does not belong. David notMD (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I see that you signed this edit on your user talk page as Larissa. If you are the subject of the article, you need to read about conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Good catch. Slidingsca has been editing since May 2015 and the only article worked on in all that time has been Larissa Shmailo. David notMD (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Create music/artist wiki page help

Can you someone instruct me how to create a music related wiki page for my recording artist who has many creditable sources? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueSapphireMusic (talk • contribs) 22:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

You don't. Please read about conflict of interest, and the mandatory requiements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I am making a article on a racing driver but name is already used by a school shooter

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia but wanted to give it a go and my first article is about a racing driver. Unfortunately his name is already used on wikipedia for the School shooting by Luke Woodham.

What do I do? I wish to make an article on the racing driver Luke Woodham, but I do not know how to do this when the name Luke Woodham is already taken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VickiLund (talk • contribs) 16:19, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

You could create Luke Woodham (racing driver) or request a move for the other article. You may want to read WP:YFA first. RhinosF1 (talk) 16:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

My advice, VickiLund would be that you not try to move your draft to main space yourself, but when you think it is ready, submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) to the top. When a reviewer accepts it, they will handle the move and the name clash. --ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Some edited my grandmother out of my grandpa’s page!!!

My grandfather is Wallace Smith Broecker and my grandmother, Grace Carder, his wife of 50 years is no longer listed in his spouses and that is not cool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.176.25 (talk) 15:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Grace Carder is mentioned in several places within the article Wallace Smith Broecker. Can you elaborate on what you think is missing? Deli nk (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. In November 2016, an anonymous user added the marriage to Elizabeth Clark, and replaced Grace in the infobox; Grace was still mentioned in the text. But User Plumbago added Grace Carder into the infobox in front of Elizabeth Clark last May. Were you looking at an old version? --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. where did you find that page? I searched for his name on Facebook, and it showed a link to a page about him on Biography.wiki listing Elizabeth Clark as his spouse. Wikipedia has no responsibility for the present content on other websites. —teb728 t c 02:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Can I add edit points to a long article?

Looking at the “Music and entertainment career” section of the MC Hammer article, I found it inconvenient to repeatedly navigate such a long section to edit. I wonder if I can add pencils to the subheadings, so someone doesn’t need to scroll through thousands of words to find a later section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galapogosian (talk • contribs) 02:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Possibly what you want can be set in your Preferences; see: Help:Preferences. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

No subject

How do I get to the Wikipedia Sandbox? 180.173.24.120 (talk) 03:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

uploading a image

Hi team,

I am petrified by the licesnce error causing me not to upload images on wikipedia.

Background- I am uploading the images of the organization whose i am a part of. I have been given the authorities to use this images and create Wikipedia page for our Hon Founder.

Request you to guide me how to deal with this errors as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssvssk (talk • contribs) 05:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ssvssk: If you have been given permission from the copyright holder to upload the image, you should select "This is a free work." if you would like others to be able to use it. If not, you should select "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." and explain how it meets the criteria. However, I recommend reading WP:Your first article first, if you intend to create an article about you company's founder. --DannyS712 (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Javier

WhastApp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.11.23.152 (talk) 02:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help you without further information. What exactly are you trying to ask? --DannyS712 (talk) 07:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Pages with issues

I have recently edited the FCSB page because most of the informations are wrong. But that was a problem for you. What can i do now?

Madalin98 removed more than 10% of the FCSB article, which another editor reversed minutes later.

You can discuss your disagreement on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 07:55, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Update old image

Dylan Sprouse has requested that anyone to please update his image to a good new picture of himself as he does not no how to update his image to a good new picture. The picture is on his page is an old picture from when he was a youth. I have a resent photo that was taken 1 week ago. It is ok for anyone with the knowledge to please update his image to a good new picture. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Restinggod (talk • contribs) 07:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Restinggod. We would need a new photo that the photographer is willing to release irrevocably under an open license. If you can arrange that, ask the copyright owner to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. It can then be added to the article. – Joe (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Archiving Talk Page with blacklisted links

Hi,

I was just endeavouring to do the third set of periodic archiving of my talk page. Though I have to re-teach myself to use Archy McArchFace each time, it usually doesn't cause too many problems.

This time, I'm struggling to get it to work. It worked for the top thread, so the system is working. However, on a full shift, it purges it from my talk page but doesn't add to the archive page.

The only real hint I have is when I attempt to undo the failed archive. It goes all dramatic and refuses to do it because of trying to use a black-listed link. I don't know if this is just something involved in the archive process or if someone posted one onto my talk page sometime in the last few months, and now that link is mucking up the whole process. I can't identify it amongst the hundreds of other links, so not sure what to do.

A rollback does succeed in undoing the changes, but still leaves me in an un-archived state. The script-maker points to asking here for help, and anyone who has come across a similar issue would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers :)

Nosebagbear (talk) 13:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: Some links can't be added to articles unless the articles on a certain list. Some things you could do are:

• Manually replace the links with something like [link removed] in what you paste on the archive.
• Ask on MediaWiki MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist if you think it should be possible to keep the links on the archive page.
• Maybe ask on MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Troubleshooting and problems if you're not sure what to do.

You should probably just do one of those things. Not all of them.

Hope that helps. – Pretended leer {talk} 11:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Table question

With a sortable table, is it possible to specify a default sort that will execute itself automaticallly when the table is opened? As in, by last names. If not, please tell me how to request this feature. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 02:07, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! See HELP:SORT. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 03:48, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: Just to add to what Ariconte has said, whatever sort order you create the table in will be the default order that appears when that page is opened and the table displayed or expanded. This allows you to initially provide data in an order that cannot be created by any subsequent alpha-numeric sort. See the very long species list I created in List of species and habitats of principal importance in England. It follows the arrangement by animal groups used within a government publication without adding a 'sort order' number in a column of its own which would serve little purpose other than to restore that pseudo-taxonomic sorting. The table was prepared in Excel prior to being pasted into the article. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 9:40 am, Today (UTC+0)

Restored after edit conflict - sorry, RhinosF1 (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@ariconte, I don't understand your table. It ssys at the outset: "After sorting, refresh page to return table to original order)". What is the original order? Did you have to manually enter the items in some order?

Nore specifically, at List of lynching victims in the United States, where should someone adding a new entry put it? deisenbe (talk) 11:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Crywolf?

Notable enough for an article? Clubtuesday001 (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

This document and the article writing guidance may be of use. Try finding 3 independent substantial sources on the subject and if you can then it's likely it will be. RhinosF1 (talk) 09:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

If you do not want to create an article yourself, you can Request it via this page. Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 09:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Please see the message on your talk page, your draft does not meet the standard for inclusion at this time. @Ian.thomson: Can you suggest any specific improvements? RhinosF1 (talk) 13:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Foster Care in the US webpage was vandalized

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_care_in_the_United_States — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.162.133 (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism reverted now. Thanks for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Submit for review

How do I submit my page for ret from a smartphone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramyamotani975 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

There is no point in submitting your draft at Draft:Bishop Westcott Girls' School Doranda, as it has no references to independent reliable sources. Please read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

caucasian race name

Hello I'm a bit concerned about the title of the article Caucasian race, because of its use of a specific geographic region to which the demonym Caucasian applies This concern rises from me not being American, and through experience and several sources I have seen over the years, the term "Caucasian" as in white people is exclusively a North American thing. For context, I am an Eritrean-born Brit, born in Nakfa, Eritrea and raised in both Nakfa and for my later childhood, Enfield, UK I'm 38 years old. I bring this up because of versions of English I have been exposed to, the white race has always just been called "white", and what Wikipedia refers to as Caucasian race we simply refer to as either "European" or, and only when referring to physiology, "Caucasoid". E.G., "the facial structure is caucasoid in nature". To be fair to the other races, I do have issue with other article titles such as Mongoloid and Negroid, as they also are specific to countries, notably Mongolia and Nigeria or Niger. How can I bes tapproach this topic without being immediately labeled a racist or something like that? I want to do this out of respect for the real Caucasians who likely don't like a French guy being called a Caucasian.

What I am hoping for is either a renaming of the articles, or else a note at the top of the articles or in the case of the white race article, where it mentions that whites are also called "Caucasian", that this is North American, not world wide.

As per sources, if I was able to see and do the captchas, I would have done it ages ago. Unfortunately, my screen-reader, JAWS16.0 can't read the captcha, and there's no audio option, so I can't post links as I want to. What advice do you guys have going forward, that does not involve sticking to the status quo? thank you. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse. Please note that you are already part of this discussion Talk:Caucasian race#re-evaluated proposed edit. That means this post will be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING by some. You should continue the discussion there or move to WP:DRN. You may find WP:RGW and WP:NOT useful as well. MarnetteD|Talk 23:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

'Negroid' does not seem to originate from Nigeria or Niger, they rather all come from the Spanish word Negro, meaning 'black'. --CiaPan (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

It was those discussions at talk caucasian race that had a user call me racist. I'm just seaking advice on what to do going foward on such topics as I may bring this up at the Mongoloid and Negroid pages too. The discussion at the Caucasian race talkpage is going nowhere because I don't know what to do and because of possibl my approach. I will look into what forum shopping and all those other thigns are later, policy pages are often times for me TLDR, hence I usually read the nutshell versions, unless I feel that the nutshell doesn't address it. I was crude there on the discussion yo ulinked yes, but I also want this addressed, not left. I also want to take this opertunity to explain why I came accross it in the first place. I was going to read up about Caucasian people as my girlfriend and I plan on visitin gthe Caucasus, and instead we came accross what North Americans call "Caucasians" which confused me. Those are the origins and nobody's listening to my concirns, likely because the responses are coming from U.S. based users whom to them, American English is their norm. hence why I would like non-American eyes on this too. thanks. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 23:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Again you can use WP:DRN. You do know that the use of the term Caucasian is not limited to North Americans don't you. MarnetteD|Talk 00:52, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

It's not just a North American thing. The word "Caucasian" was in use in England in 1968 to mean "white, Indo-European". Maproom (talk) 11:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I was not around in 1968. People from back then may get it, but not today's internet generations, unless they actively look for it. Not to mention th eterm is falling out of use even in America. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Points such as this need to be made at Talk:Caucasian race rather than here, 23.151.192.180. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Also i did try there and somebody deleted it. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 15:28, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Acceptable quote length

Hello!

I wasn't sure where to ask this or which policies apply, but while reading the encyclopedia I discovered Black Square (painting) has several very long quotes, especially in §§ Perception and Conservation. I found WP:LONGQUOTE, which says, among other things, «Avoid stand-alone quote sections.», but am not sure if this is a possible WP:COPYVIO or not.

I would appreciate another editor taking a look and telling me whether they think this rises to the level of a copyright violation. I'm not confident enough to just WP:BOLDly remove the sections in question myself. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 12:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

[1] shows it may breach copyright standards. RhinosF1 (talk) 19:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to My vertified corrections on LP singer are being constantely deleted

LP's birth year is added just like Alicia Godsberg's in the reference I gave, as also in the international references I added with 1968! Please look up! Wikipedia is obliged to stick to the truth! 1. copyright encyclopedia: http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/these-days-by-gordon-haber-and-laura-pergolizzi-maybe-the/ 2. Radiocity.it: http://www.radiocity.it/pages/musicnews-scheda.cfm?id=116463414&Nn=LP,_Lost_on_You,_una_delle_sorprese_dell_estate 3. http://www.annamerzari.eu/lp-lostonyou-lancio-italiano-10-06/ 4. Laut.De-Biographie: https://www.laut.de/lp 5. http://101.ru/artist/uid/51279 Walt Whitman High School, garduation in 1986: http://waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/frameset.cfm?class=1986&id=29520 Lionfish: https://www.amazon.com/Too-Much-Love-Lionfish/dp/B0016JB7AQ

My vertified corrections on LP singer are being constantely deleted

Why are my vertified corrections on LP singer and my refenences constantely being deleted, even of the copyright encyclopedia, which terms demand an ID and where Laura Pergolizzi is listed with her birthdate of 1968, as well as the reference of her High school webside where she's listed as a 1986 graduate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YD65 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

As you were told last month, both here and on your user talk page, the place to discuss this is on the article's talk page, where the date of birth has been discussed previously. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Unfortunately, LP's publicity machine has successfully published a later year of birth in several sources that Wikipedia thinks are reliable. You will need to present your evidence on the talk page of the article and get consensus before making the change. Sorry this is a messy process, but the changes will have to be discussed and agreed. Meanwhile, I will remove the disputed year of birth. Dbfirs 21:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I have a question

Why Can't I edit articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliotpowell (talk • contribs) 16:29, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

You can. You have done, but your edits were reverted. Try different edits. You risk being blocked if you deliberately vandalise articles. Dbfirs 16:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Edits that are sourced and have some sort of point to them and improve the article do better than the random changes you are currently making. Britmax (talk) 19:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Update: The original poster was subsequently permanently blocked from editing Wikipedia because of vandalism/non-constructive editing. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Obituary verb tense

I was just looking at the entry for the theologian John Bowden, whose last line reads like this:

He was survived by his wife and three children.

It seems to me -- from my experience reading obituaries in the newspaper -- it should read:

He is survived by his wife and three children.

Does Wikipedia have a style sheet that addresses a question like this?

-- Proof Pro (Dick Hartzell) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proof Pro (talk • contribs) 18:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

At the time of his death it is understandable for the obituary to say "he is survived", but some time later such a statement couldn't be made in Wikipedia without a further current source showing that the wife and children are still alive, so "was" is the correct wording for the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

The Manual of Style specifically recommends against this phrasing to avoid information becoming out of date. Unlike an obituary, an encyclopedic article might be read long after the death of the subject and his relatives, and the time of death is often not the most important period to consider. It would be better to say matter-of-factly whom Mr. Bowden married and how many children they had. Kim Post (talk) 23:19, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Closing a move discussion early - it is very clear there is no consensus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:(486958)_2014_MU69#Requested_move_of_article_to_different_name_(request_as_of_3_January_2019)

There have been many, many comments here and only two days into the week, it is very clear that there is no consensus among editors. Is it possible to close it as no consensus? Thanks. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 00:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Дрейгорич, I see no advantage in closing it early. A consensus may develop as the discussion continues and comes to the attention of more people. —teb728 t c 00:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

It's pretty clear there will be none. Arguments made on one side are dismissed by the other, disputed Wikipedia conventions, common name vs. scientific name disputes, terminology is not agreed upon, etc. It is getting nowhere. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 00:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to close early as no consensus. It hurts nothing to leave it open for 7 days. ~ GB fan 01:29, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Very well then. We'll see what happens. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 01:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

How do I submit an article for review

I created a draft called 2019 Florida Van crash, but I want to submit it to be reviewed. How though? 2600:1700:DFD1:1A40:3DC6:36AB:2ADD:98D7 (talk) 02:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for contributing. To answer your question, place this: {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft. But you shouldn't do it now, or maybe at all. The article lacks sources for what you wrote. Also, it probable doesn't satisfy Wikipedia's "notability" requirements (WP:Notability (events)), so it wouldn't be approved. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 02:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Centering thumbnail text

Hello! Does anyone know how to center thumbnail text? As in Solrad 1.

Thank you!

--≈(talk) 05:07, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Neopeius. Done with this edit. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

How to do an article of something obvious yet not written about

This is not a good article to write about as it is a new idea. (solved)(thanks ColinFine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotheryul (talk • contribs) 09:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, first let me say I want to remain anonymous in this and not looking for any kind of self-ego trip.

There is a theme we thought since the late 70s that is "Psychomathematics". We coined it while taking classes of Linguistics and algebra at the same time. We saw how human behavior many times (always) followed certain patterns. Identic, no matter society or culture. We called these patterns "equations". Like equations in an algebraic world. The closest thing nowadays are games people play (Eric Berne), economics theories on human behavior like Behavioral economics, future of Artificial intelligence, and obviously many of the secret formulas that Google may be using in its Algorithm...

The idea is that algebra is a set of rules governing a set of variables. This is very basic. Check Algebra.

So, we studied the algebra of arithmetic, the algebra of chess ([Computer chess]]), Boolean algebra. And back then we did not have Chaos theory yet, but it was evident that one day clouds and fire could be dominated by computers via specific algebras. (Most ideas here need references to Wikipedia articles)

It’s kind of obvious that from there someone would see how the human psyche can also be dominated one day by an algebra of the mind, of thought, of behavior.

Transactional analysis came to bring a series of diagrams concerning mental illnesses and inter personal relationships. Games, as they call it, should be easy to be used to create this mind algebra or "Psychomathematics".

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Today, in Internet, we keep searching anything and mainly we end up reading articles in Wikipedia. It has become our world of reference. Therefore, when we search on the theme of human behavior and equations, algorithms and so on we do not see this article created. When, imho it should be. If not to make obvious something that connects many of the other algebras of behavior; including search engine algorithms, behavioral economics and so on.

The main purpose of this article is to expose this idea to the world and have other people edit into it more articles and references. The "we" on this test should be erased. As I truly want to start this page anonymously.

I should put references for most of the words in this article (this is just a synopsis of the idea).

Please help. Is an article about this proper to be started on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotheryul (talk • contribs) 10:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Brotheryul: Have reliable sources written specifically about "psychomathematics"? We only use article titles and subjects supported by coverage in reliable sources. Totally new concepts can't be written about here, sadly.--Jasper Deng (talk) 10:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Brotheryul: A hint: surround a term with doubled square brackets to make it a link to a Wikipedia article. For example, write [[Algebra]] and it looks like Algebra. See Help:Link to find more information on technical aspects of linking, and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking for guidelines on using links in articles. --CiaPan (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Brotheryul. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is definitely and specifically not a place to "expose [any] idea to the world". Please see WP:NOTESSAY. --ColinFine (talk) 11:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Writing regarding my declined submission "Koreans in Turkey"

So it got declined because: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Now, I understand one needs to have multiple and reliable sources to support a fact/claim. However, the number/fact I got was backed up by a reference from the official Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

In such a special case as this, isn't an official government estimated number enough?

There are literally NO scientific studies made on Koreans in Turkey nor any special article, academic enough, to be used in this context. I would assume the real source itself would be enough. But please do help me understand why it isn't sufficient enough.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illustrator91 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

The article has two citations, which may be fine(unlikely though). Another problem is that the actual article is three sentences long. If it is notable, there would be more to write — Preceding unsigned comment added by WelpThatWorked (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid not, Illustrator91. Wikipedia articles rely on secondary sources, not primary ones. Until a subject has secondary sources, it does not meet the requirement of notability (in Wikipedia's special sense). If there are no suitable independent sources on the subject, then we cannot have an article on it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ColinFine . I still don't see the problem. Take a look here for eaxmple, 3 sentences and 1 source, but still published and apporved:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Brazilians

And the source doesn't seem to be from any solid source, such as a official government source. So again. Is 3 sentences and 1 source really the problem? Or is there anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illustrator91 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

And that page has now been nominated for deletion, Illustrator91. We have six million articles: just because an article exists, doesn't necessarily mean it has been "approved": it may just mean that nobody has noticed its inadequacy. --ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah ColinFine my bad for not looking up rules and handling of new articles, sorry. Guess I'll learn as I go along. Cheers. Illustrator91 (talk) 13:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Can't figure out how to make a correction

While reading at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton I saw that the current broadcast info (7.1) needs updating because he has new shows on Saturdays and Sundays now, both at 5pm Eastern time, still on MSNBC. I've spent quite a chunk of time trying to figure out how to contribute but I am not tech savvy. As far as verification of this change, http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/about , right at the top of the page, it says "PoliticsNation Weekends at 5pm".

I hope someone can fix this since I can't. Thanks 2601:1C0:6901:FA13:71A1:DB08:9E12:8FFE (talk) 13:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Captivity

How can I improve this draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betour13 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles exist for Imprisonment, Hostage and Captivity (animal). At the draft you wrote "This draft is intended to create a primary topic article to replace the current disambiguation page at this title." I do not agree with the intent. Readers searching for an article on human captivity are not interested in animals, and vice versa. David notMD (talk) 14:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Approve draft: Shrihari Sathe

Can you please help get the new draft approved, Draft:Shrihari_Sathe ? (Request as per guidance at User_talk:Piotrus#Help_get_the_new_draft_approved:_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shrihari_Sathe) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.251.188.241 (talk) 14:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

The draft has been submitted for review through the AFC process. As it says in the box on the draft "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1124 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 15:04, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Need help for translating a complicated sentence in article

I am a Chinese Wikipedia user and editor. I translate articles in English Wikipedia into Chinese. And now I have encountered difficulty of comprehension on a complicated sentence in the article "Metrication", which is bold in the following quoted paragraph.

It is difficult to judge the degree to which ordinary people change to using metric in their daily lives. In countries that have recently changed, older segments of the population tend to still use the older units. Also, local variations abound in which units are round metric quantities or not.

"local variations" should be the units, and I guess the word "round" may means as "round down/up fractions".

However, as a non-native speaker, I don't understand the whole sentence when words are put together, while I can not say there is a grammar problem with it.

Would you please help me with rewriting or paraphrasing this sentence for my better understanding? That would be lovely.

Thank you

--DragonSamYU (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@DragonSamYU: "To abound" here means "to exist in large quantities". From the rest of the paragraph, the context here seems to be that some countries, such as Canada, often use Imperial and Metric units at the same time, while leads to some products having "uneven" metric quantities (such as the example of butter being sold in packs of 454 gram instead of 500 gram which is usual in "pure" metric countries). As such, another phrasing would be "Also there are plenty of local variations that influence whether round metric quantities are used". Then again, I'm not a native speaker either, so I might be wrong. Hope that helps anyway. Regards SoWhy 11:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

(ec) @DragonSamYU: IMVVHO it is something like: There exist lots of local variations; in some of them some units are round metric units, in some they are not. I live in Poland, where we use the SI almost exclusively. My father told me once about his friend, born before WW2 who used to use a 'pound' to mean 0.5 kg (long ago a 'new Polish pound' was about 0.4055 kg), which might be an example to the statement you're trying to translate. --CiaPan (talk) 11:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@DragonSamYU: For another point of view, the Cup (unit) is an example of a unit, which is a metric (sub)unit, also it might not be as well. --CiaPan (talk) 12:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

as regular measurer of things in Canada, since most measuring devices are marked in both Metric and Imperial, if what i'm measuring is an exact integer in either system, i will record the measurement with that system. what that means is that quite often i measure things in metric knowing full-well that i will have to convert to a messy answer in imperial, since the product is only sold in imperial (likely imported from US)Longpinkytoes (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Longpinkytoes: As regular measurer I suppose you're aware that nothing you measure is 'an exact integer' in any system. On the contrary, every result of measurement is diluted within some range depending on the measuring technology and conditions (the method or the device precision)... What you describe is at best 'being close enough to some integer for me to neglect the rounding error'. --CiaPan (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@DragonSamYU: Well, I'm a native English speaker and, having read the paragraph in the full article a number of times, I don't understand what that sentence is trying to say, either! When that happens, a good trick is to look back to see whether someone had garbled a once-comprehensible sentence (whether by accident or for fun). I think this is the case here. Back in 2008 a far better sentence said: Also, local variations abound in what exactly becomes metricated and what does not. Does this make more sense? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

i hadn't intended to start a discussion about fractals and the arbitrary nominal nature of measurement. i was hoping for the OP to weigh in as to whether the page refers to 'integer' or 'nominal' with the original wording 'round'

@DragonSamYU: as an example of what 'round' might be referring to, the fastest way to measure depth in the past was with rope, and the 'round' number would be 1,2,3,4, etc fathoms, which you have to imagine for the typical sailor would be easier than counting 6, 12, 16, 24, etc, or 1.8288, 3.6576, 5.4864, 7.5132, etc, especially since you would be doing the math as fast as you were capable of hauling the next length of rope out of the water. ((talk) 12:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Is it possible that the sentence means "around" as in an estimation of some kind? That there are (approximately) more local variations of one system compared to the other one? Clovermoss (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: @CiaPan: @Longpinkytoes: @Nick Moyes: @Clovermoss: Thank you everyone for all your suggestions, they are helpful and I felt the friendliness of the global Wikipedia community. I think I would finish the editing of the translated article very soon due to your assistance. Regards from China. --DragonSamYU (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

once again wikipedia is concentrating on the male half of the human species... why cannot it be different?

i have asked a similar question in the past, not here but to administrators... and the usual reply is that what gets featured on the front page is what is suggested and what qualifies... and that if something about a woman is suggested but the article does not qualify then it won’t be featured... and yet i still think it could be more than that... or what i mean to say is that that is a pretty lame reason for excluding half the human race...

sure sure women have not been featured in history until recently... even now, still,, women who excel over their male peers sometimes are shoved to the background... (credit for science discoveries) but still, if the scholars do not Value females it just really makes me feel bad.. less than... diminished.. and i start to begin to believe that maybe i really am not as good as men.

seriously.

and i am 70 years old... and i actually had a lot of promise starting out. but enough about me lol.

thing is, there is a problem and it affects all of us. it needs to be addressed. half of the human race is female. it is wrong when a front page usually has less than 25% of its stuff featuring females. (and paintings OF females don’t count, btw)

i dont expect to hear anything back about this. i know i have failed humanity by not becoming involved in wikipedia stuff.. ..i am sorry but i realy don’t feel ...empowered, usually, or cheerfull enough... yes i am depressed but not clinically... just depressed because the world is not as wonderful as i thought it was when i was young and naive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffykerfuffle (talk • contribs) 05:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, @Fluffykerfuffle:. You are right to raise this issue: it is a known problem (see WP:Systemic bias) but that doesn't necessarily make it any easier to solve. Some of the obvious causes are 1) the preponderance of male editors, coupled with 2) the fact that all editors are volunteers, and work on what they find interesting or important; and 3) our fundamental policy of requiring independent reliable sources, which means that if there is a gender bias in published material generally this is liable to be replicated in Wikipedia. Bringing it to editors' attention, as you have done here, is worthwhile. You might like to have a look at WP:WikiProject Women. --ColinFine (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Fix ping. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Pinged. --CiaPan (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

People are putting a lot of effort into fixing this systemic bias; check out the Women in Red WikiProject. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Fluffykerfuffle I can vouch for the effect of the "fundamental policy of requiring independent reliable sources" mentioned above. Since discovering the Women in Red project, I have created several articles about women in the project's lists. Unfortunately, I also gave up on many more because I could not find enough articles to establish notability. The project has resulted in addition of articles about a number of women, and efforts continue to add more. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Move Wikipedia:Boßler family in to Wikipedia (article) please.

Hello, please publish the article Wikipedia:Boßler family as an article. Thank you. The Wikidata object identifier is: Q50984058. The Article is also by the german Wikipedia

Thank you!--Hiquwus (talk) 20:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I see that you have moved it yourself, to Boßler family. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

In English Wikipedia it probably should be titled Bossler family rather than with an eszet. —teb728 t c 20:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, but the originally name of the family ist written with ß. So the Article is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boßler_family. I have move the article. The english WP is much difficulter than the german edition.--Hiquwus (talk) 21:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Only the companies of the family are written with "ss" the genealogy Books say, with ß ist the right name. But thank you for your help!--Hiquwus (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I would add that Josef Stalin's name isn't in Cyrillic here. This being the English Wikipedia, most of us don't have eszets conveniently available on our keyboard. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 21:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe WP:DIACRITICS applies here. In short: use whichever is most common in English sources. If there aren't any, use whichever is most common in sources of the relevant language. -- Scott (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

thanks for the information. But look here. Boßler mountain The mountain is also written with ß as it is officially called and even the Boßlerhaus is a red link with ß. Also the Boßler Tunnel is written with ß. Especially the problem is that if the page is moved to Bossler family, the Authority file will not fit anymore and the Commons page will not fit anymore too.--Hiquwus (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I have no strong views on the article title, but the points in your last sentence are not a constraint on the name of the English article. The {{commons category}} already has a parameter for the relevant page, and the {{authority control}} picks up the parameters from Wikidata. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

HELP

Help me. I´ve just made my first wiki page, but it was not accepted. What have I done wrong?

Magnus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnus Meiling (talk • contribs) 13:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Magnus Meiling: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are several issues here, which I will go into. The first is that the draft is not in English; this is the English Wikipedia. That is easy enough to fix. Another is that you seem to be related to the person you are writing about. That is what we call a conflict of interest. Please click those words to learn more about the conflict of interest policy and some things that you need to do. Thirdly, your draft simply tells about this person and their YouTube channel. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia articles must do more than merely tell about something. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about article subjects that are notable as Wikipedia defines it. The vast majority of "YouTubers" do not merit articles here. In order to merit an article here, the person or their YouTube channel must be significantly written about in independent sources. If you just want to promote your relative's YouTube channel, you should use social media like Facebook. I'm sorry that this is probably not what you want to hear. If you are interested in contributing about subjects for which you do not have a conflict of interest, you may want to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what it is. 331dot (talk) 14:05, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

As a matter of interest, 331dot, where is the draft? The OP's user talk page has a link to User:Magnus Meiling/sandbox/Andreas Meiling, but that link neither leads to a page nor to a deletion log entry (which I would normally expect to see if the page has been deleted or moved). I eventually found a log entry for the draft's creation, but no indication as to what has happened to it subsequently. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure. It was there but I don't know why it isn't logged now. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmm. No deleted contributions. The implication is that it was oversighted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:47, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

It would be handy if an oversighter could confirm that this was indeed the case, rather than a hiccup in the logs. The criteria for oversight are severely limited, and more restricted than those for revdel. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, my article is not appearing on google, is to unindexed.

Hi all, I created Babu Saheb roughly 3 weeks ago and it was only recently reviewed. In this period, it has yet to appear in a google search. I would be thankful if someone could look into this. Thanks!ChuckAlor (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

It takes time for Google to index pages. It should happen soon since the article is now reviewed. 331dot (talk) 18:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

At present, the article looks to be little more than a dictionary entry, but perhaps you can expand it with some history? Dbfirs 08:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Bastardizing and vandalism of Ulster Defence Regiment / Royal Irish Regiment insignia.

There is a number of users bastardizing, vandalising, the badges/crests/insignia/flags of the Ulster Defence Regiment / Royal Irish Regiment and publishing these incorrect images on Wikipedia.86.22.2.181 (talk) 09:52, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I have been blocked by "Hedwig in Washington" for trying to correct this.86.22.2.181 (talk) 09:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Deleting the image summary is NOT how you "correct" something. Go to the article for the regiment and without using accusatory language like "vandalising", "bastardizing" and "incorrect" state politely why you think it's the wrong version of the flag. Reading WP:AGF would be a good first step. - X201 (talk) 10:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

The block referred to is presumably on user RabFrazer on Commons, not on the IP here on enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Syawa, India

I am thinking about accepting this draft. Any other opinions? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:07, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

My main concern would be with the sources, Thegooduser. Are those two sources reliable? Wouldn't it be better to cite official census results for the demographic information? Cordless Larry (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Cordless Larry True. Never thought of it that way. I'll decline it. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Thegooduser Hi, as an AfC review, you could also ask question on AfC questions at WT:AFC as other AfC reviewers would help to answer you questions. thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Date on a , IBM 360 computer

I have printauts of FORTRAN Programs from 1968 to 1970, such as 70057. What is the corresponding date in our usual, American or European, way of writing? Thnak you, Bernhard Hafner, architect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.149.164.200 (talk) 09:35, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

This Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia. You may be able to get an answer at WP:RD/C. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@217.149.164.200: FORTRAN supports many different date formats (though many may require subroutines). That looks like it might be a so-called "Julian date" of 1970 day 057, i.e. 26 February 1970. But you will need to check the documentation (or perhaps the code) for that specific program to be sure. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

How to download search history/ queries of Wikipedia

Dear Community,

I am interesting in studying user behavior in terms of wikipedia searches in Spanish (and English), but I cannot find a way to download the search data or also the metrics of single articles (e.g. the most read article in a country, in a city, in a given language).

Does anyone have a hint? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.82.175.246 (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC) .

You may be best contacting the Wikimedia Foundation RhinosF1 (talk) 06:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Have you checked this tool? It also allows downloads of the data generated. Regards SoWhy 14:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Help Editing a page

HI there,

I have been asked by my client to edit her wikipedia page as some of the information needs updating and i wanted to expand a lot more on her bio. I wanted to see if someone could talk me through it as it seems like a complicated process. When i click on "EDIT SOURCE" am i allowed to replace all the text with the information I have?

Really appreciate the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agencypr13 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

No. You need to read about conflict of interest, and the mandatory requirements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:19, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Agencypr13: What David said. Once you have done so and complied with the requirements, use the talk page of her article to propose a change by placing the {{edit request}} template in a new section. Don't forget to include a reliable source for anything you want to see changed. Regards SoWhy 14:07, 7 January 2019 (UTC) sorry, wrong ping SoWhy 14:07, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

How can I make a thumbnail have the width of the page?

I want a centered thumbnail to be as wide irregardless of the size of the monitor. I come from the pt.wiki btw. Thanks. Holy Goo (talk) 15:12, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the image. I want this to be, like, 80% the width of the monitor

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Holy Goo (talk • contribs) 15:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Holy Goo: I don't believe that it is actually technically possible. Mediawiki resizes images server side, and the browser doesn't send dimension data to the server. Consequently, there's no way to do this in Wikitext. It might be possible to do some HTMl wizardry, but that would bypass the point of server side scaling (fast webpages). ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Holy Goo, if fast webpages doesn't matter that much, see here (The stylesheet is the important part) Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Galobtter: That loaded instantly here. It looks great. But unfortunately, if it is true that it makes pages load slower in general in some way, that will be a problem, not only because internet is slow here in Brazil for most people but also because the article about the government of Bolsonaro pt:Governo Jair Bolsonaro will be really, REALLY huge. But thanks anyway. In some monitors, the image will just have to be off the screen. But thanks a lot. Holy Goo (talk) 19:28, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Holy Goo: I'm not aware of direct scaling images to a given percentage of the page.

You may, however, try using {{wide image}}. The template lets you scale a picture to the desired size and it automagically fits the size of the viewing frame and adds a scroll-bar if the image appears too big to fit within the page.

This is the image.

Try seeing the above with different sizes of a window. See also Help:Pictures#Panoramas and the template's description for more details. --CiaPan (talk) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Wow, thanks. Thats pretty much what I was looking for. Holy Goo (talk) 14:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)