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Add The Game Awards

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I think we should list a video game award/award ceremony of some sort (we list none), and this one has basically become the video game equivalent of the Grammy Awards  5. And while it's certainly newer (2013, 2003 if you want to count the Spike Video Game Awards), its last two events had well over a hundred million viewers and there's been years where it's viewership has more than doubled from the previous, and that growth probably won't stop any time soon. For comparison, 18.25 million people watched the Grammy's in 2023, while 118 million watched the Game Awards. If added, I propose a new section of the list be added under the Video games section titled "Video game awards", since there's nowhere else that this can reasonably go at the moment.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. Too recent, game award shows have come and gone. We can't yet say if this will have the longevity of the Grammies for example. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Foster care  5

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It's a way of taking care of children. Maybe somewhere under Family and kinship. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Support; it should be placed under Everyday life/Family and kinship/Marriage and parenting/Parenting in my opinion, where Adoption already is.

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Neutral

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1. Just noting that the Everday life section is over-quota by 3; we should propose an article to remove as well.

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Add Balloon  5

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Found everywhere in parties. Maybe in Toys in Sports, games, and recreation. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. This shouldn't be added without removing another article, because the section is 31 articles over-quota. Also, Balloon is the wrong article to add to the toy section. I'd support adding Toy balloon if something else was also removed, or it was moved to an under-quota section.Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. If we're talking about party balloons what should actually be added is probably the page Toy balloon, which covers exactly that. Also, Balloon (aeronautics) was already added to the vital articles in the Technology section, and that heavily overlaps with Balloon (most of both their articles go over the same use cases).Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Bicameralism  5

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A popular type of Legislature  4, according to the article in use in 40 % of countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Unicameralism could possibly be added to. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Judgment notwithstanding verdict and Rule of lenity

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The former article states this is a "rarely granted intervention" in American state courts. The latter one states "It is infrequently cited in contemporary opinions" and has no interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Support removal of Rule of lenity. It sounds like an extension of the Presumption of innocence  4 to me. Swap Judgment notwithstanding verdict for Jury trial as the latter is the context in which the former is invoked, and has application worldwide. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support both Makkool (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
4. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Damage  5

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A very common concept, albeit somewhat dicdef. Should be V5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Siesta  5

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An enduring cross-cultural practice.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Big in Spanish-speaking countries. The Blue Rider 12:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cyberspace  5

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Important concept in science and fiction, 49 interwikis. Almost 7k daily pageviews. Not sure which section to add this too, suggestions welcome. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. as nom --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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AddParliamentary system  5

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Presidential system  5

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Entrée  5, Main course  5, and Side dish  5

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Three well known topics in terms of a meal that have not been listed. We list Hors d'oeuvre  5, so I'm sure we can list all three of these. All three should be listed under the Basics of Cooking, food and drink in the main Everyday life page [1].

Support

1. All three as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Hors d'ouvre should have the rest of them listed alongside. Makkool (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Graphics  5

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Well known concept in the world of design/visual arts that hasn't been listed yet. Different from Graphic design  4. Should be listed under Modern visual arts [2].

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Extradition  5

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Important concept in law enforcement.

Support

1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Televangelism

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Important concept to modern and contemporary religion

Support

1. _pbp 14:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Proactive law, Uniform act, Economic torts, and Record sealing

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More minor concepts in law. These have zero interwikis. One is too essay-like, another has few applications, and for the latter one, we don't yet list public records, and so on.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all Makkool (talk) 12:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
4. None of these seem important enough to be vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Various Culture removals

Remove Bokmål and Nynorsk

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Official written standards of the Norwegian language. Norwegian is only V5, spoken by 4-5 million people, and the general article explains both of them in detail.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Nauruan language

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Unlike other Austronesian languages, this one is entirely concentrated in the Island of Nauru. By far the least spoken language from this group we list. It has less than 10,000 speakers.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Business English

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Sparse article. I could wager this type of education is on the decline as countries increasingly have a larger pool of people who learn English through media, school, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. As someone who had business english classes I am surprising by the little amount of interwikis, I thought it was a more widespread type of education. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Lifestyle journalism and Radical media

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Minor areas/concepts in journalism and media. Low pageviews and interwikis suggest these are not frequently used.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Fyi we also list Alternative media  5 which covers similar ground to radical media Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove One Man's Family and People Are Funny

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Long-running, but frankly these shows appear to be more or less forgotten, at least compared to the others we list.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove International Broadcasting Convention

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Trade show for the TV industry. The article does not assert much vitality. 2 intewikis

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove CSI (franchise)

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It’s proven a little hard to reduce the television section, even though it’s been voiced that we have too many shows, so this is my only proposal here. We already have CSI: Crime Scene Investigation  5, which spawned the franchise.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of fashion magazines and List of humor magazines

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I suppose it’s not impossible to turn these into comprehensive articles, but I agree that most list articles are too informal for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Lists don't have a place in the Wikipedai since they can't even be brought to GA status. The Blue Rider 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)

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Possibly included because the article states its “the fourth most widely circulated magazine in the United States”. Nowadays it’s the fifth, and magazines 2-4 don’t even have articles, let alone are VAs.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Human skull symbolism

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This one stood out for me because it’s the only “symbolism of x” we have. Too sparse for a VA.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Writers Guild of America, East and Writers Guild of America West with Writers Guild of America  5

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There are meaningful differences between them, but two slots are excessive. We list only six individual labor unions in the politics and economics section, though I would agree we should have more.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Two may seem excessive, but afaict they were never a single organization and the umbrella article as such is sparse. In any case, it should be moved with the other labour unions.

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Possible Anglo-American bias in Law

Remove Fundamental Laws of England

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Low page views and zero interwikis suggest this is not a favored classification. The treatise by William Blackstone, from which this originates, looks more influential.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Remove, and we should add the book it came from. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove High Court of Justice

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“Together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, are the Senior Courts of England and Wales” Covered by Courts of England and Wales  5

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. I would support removing Supreme Court of Canada as well and swap it for, IDK, maybe Supreme People's Court  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Court of Session

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Similar to the above. Supreme Civil Court of Scotland. It has some interesting faculties but is technically subject to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove United States Tax Court

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Judicial body that resolves disputes arising from actions or interpretations by the Internal Revenue Service. Just two interwikis. I would list the IRS first.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap with IRS Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with IRS, which should definitely be listed first. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Swap with IRS. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Swap with IRS. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Lists of legislation

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Suffers from the problems of most list articles: sparse, informal, not comprehensive.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Not only is it a list, it is a list of lists. There is no good reason to list it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Inns of Chancery and King's Inns

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The former played a role in fostering legal education and professional standards but was not necessarily more important than similar organizations from other countries. Ditto for the latter. Low page views and interwikis as well.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Citizens United v. FEC  5

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If I am following correctly, this started because a conservative nonprofit wanted to air a documentary critical of Hillary Clinton during the 2008 U.S. election cycle. It led to some changes in campaign finance law and I can believe it was controversial, but I don’t see how this stands out compared to other landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Recent, but with overwhelming and controversial influence on the current state of affairs in US politics 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• @Tabu Makiadi: I haven't made up my mind as to whether we should list this yet, but I am leaning towards oppose. The influence of this ruling was the creation of the modern system of Super PACs that can rake in millions of dollars to spend on a candidate, and allow lobbyists to circumvent typical spending limits. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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Non-theism cleanup

Remove Secularism in France  5

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We don't list articles on secularism in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. If there's only country in the world where a "Secularism in x" article makes sense, it is France. The concept of laïcité has been extremely pervasive in the French identity ever since the Enlightenment and is responsible for several uniquely French political undercurrents and incidents such as the burqa ban. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Separation of church and state in the United States  5

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We don't list articles on the separation of church and state in other countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose. Arguably the first country to ever separate religion from the state and for that reason, it is a fundamentally core part of the American political fabric and probably warrants a VA5 slot. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Civil naming ceremony with Naming ceremony  5

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Naming ceremony covers both religious and secular types.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Remove Secular coming-of-age ceremony

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A niche and specific concept to list at VA5, plus it's covered by Coming of age  5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Another economics and business roundup

I promise to come up with more removal proposals soon. In the meantime, I’d say every concept here is vital, though, of course, I would like to hear what you think first.

Add Universal suffrage  5

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This has become so widespread that it is often the baseline for "suffrage" itself, but true universal suffrage (all adult men, women, and ethnicities), only emerged in the early 20th century and is a milestone in the history of democracy.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Common nowadays. Should we add compulsory suffrage as well? The Blue Rider 13:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Oligopoly  5

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Along with [[Perfe ct competition]] and Monopoly  4, these are the three fundamental types of Competition (economics)  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Governance  5

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This is an important concept in corporate, policy, and academic environments.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Financial crisis  5

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The economic disruption caused by the drop in the value of financial institutions or assets. Some crises are important enough to be considered vital, for example, Great Depression  3, Great Recession  5, 1997 Asian financial crisis  5, 1998 Russian financial crisis  5, Black Monday (1987)  5, among others.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Extremely important; financial crisis shape the world greatly. The Blue Rider 14:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Benchmarking  5

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The process of comparing a company’s performance metrics to industry standards or best practices.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Marginal cost  5

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Our economics coverage at this level would be incomplete without addressing the concept of marginality, which sits right at the difference between Classical economics  5 and Neoclassical economics  5. Although both marginalism and marginal utility are similar concepts, this is the more straightforward one.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Money laundering  5

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The process of concealing the origins of illegally obtained money, typically via transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Amusement park removals

These are my old additions that can be cleaned off.

Remove Animal theme park

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Different from zoo. Not a notable type of theme parks.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Remove Miniature park

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Legoland is the most famous one of this type. Not notable enough to be considered vital.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
5. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Remove Safari park

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Doesn't seem notable enough either. We neither list Game reserve or Safari  5, which we really should have before this.

Support

1. As nom. (remove or swap with Safari) Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Swap with Safari. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with Safari. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Swap with Safari. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
5. Swap 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The article is pretty poor right now, but these are often prominently proposed as more ethical alternatives to traditional Zoo  4s. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Remove Family entertainment center  5

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An indoor amusement park. They're a popular leisure activity for families, and common across the world, but I still think we could cut it. Not major tourist attractions.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. 2 interwikis only. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Common enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Widespread, if not commonly known under that name Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Haaretz  5

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Israel's oldest newspaper (founded in 1918), Israel's newspaper of record, and it is considered the most influential and respected newspaper in Israel. It is also widely read by international observers. 41 interwikis, rated High-Importance by the Newspapers, Journalism, and Israel WikiProjects.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Histoire de Melody Nelson  5

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Usually held to be the magnum opus for Serge Gainsbourg  4. Other than Trans Europa Express (which has an English version) and the Miles Davis albums (which are instrumentals), all of the albums listed are in English. Of all the non-English albums we have articles for, this is probably the most vital.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Early childhood  5

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Important state of like between toddlerhood and middle childhood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Economic systems

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Add Economic system  5

As an umbrella term for Market economy  5 (and possibly others).

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Planned economy  5

Historically used economic system in the socialist states. To be paired with Market economy  5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Mixed economy  5

Blending of elements from planned and market economies. In use today in many parts of the world, like the Nordic model or China's socialist market economy.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Arguably every country can be classified as such. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Achievement (video games)

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Yes, this is a pretty widespread video game subject, but its also fringe enough to fall on the lines of trivia. Is the idea of an achievement necessary to an encyclopedic definition of video games?

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Remove First-person (video games)  5

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Doesn't seem necessary when we list the more broad Virtual camera system  5.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

1. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose because of what Quicole said. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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• @NegativeMP1 and Makkool: It seems like the virtual camera system article is specific to third-person games, thus making it so that there is no overlap. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure why I thought the virtual camera system included a first person view... either way, I'm not sure if this is an absolutely necessary topic, but I guess I'm neutral on it now. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Remove General MIDI

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The standardized specification for MIDI  5 seems to be too in-depth and unnecessary compared to MIDI itself. What is covered about General MIDI is covered enough in the MIDI article.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Too niche. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Red (Taylor Swift album)  5

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When I nominated 1989 for V5 status (which I withdrew after it got no responses after a week), I stated that if a Taylor Swift  4 album were to be added, it had to be either that one or Red. I think that nearly all subjects at Vital 4 should have at least one subtopic at Vital 5, and that includes Taylor. So I'll give nominating this one a shot.

Backstory aside, this album received equal or higher critical acclaim than 1989, and appeared on several "best albums of the 2010's" lists with higher average placements than 1989 (its also been considered one of the most important albums of the decade). Out of her original six albums, Red has the highest rating on Metacritic, and her 2021 re-recording of the album is her highest rated work overall (91/100). It's her highest placed album on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time at 99 (for context, 1989 was 383). It's also her first album with songs that reached #1 on charts and is believed to have inspired a generation of indie artists. I'd say this is right on the mark for a V5 album, maybe even more than 1989?

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
2. 49p (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support for now; we don't list enough entries under "pop" relative to "rock" imo Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Too much classic rock bias on the list. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too recent. We lack many albums from female artist that have "greatest album of all time" status, like Hounds of Love. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

   For the record, I'd support the addition of those as well if one were to make the proposals. λ NegativeMP1 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Stargate  5

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The show that started the franchise was proposed by Piotrus a while back, but was unsuccessful. However, I think we should revisit adding the franchise. Not including this franchise on the list with many of the things we do list is a major oversight. Three shows in the franchise have an awards list separate from the main article, the franchise injected a billion dollars into the British Columbian economy (not every day a media franchise has a major economic impact), and we even have a separate article on the Stargate fandom! 34 interwikis with the first film having 46 and SG-1 having 48, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Television, WikiProject Media Franchises, and WikiProject Science Fiction.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Rescue  5

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To Social studies/Society, under Emergency service -3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. 3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I think Search and rescue  5 covers this topic adequately, but I am open to be persuaded. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

   Search and rescue is normally for people that are missing thus the search; rescue is the parent topic. The Blue Rider 00:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Illuminati  5

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One of, if not, THE most culturally significant Conspiracy theory  4 / Secret society  4 subtopic or example. Founded by Adam Weishaupt  5. Also has an entire article dedicated to it in popular culture.

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 22:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

1. I want to close this but I have no idea where it should go, any suggestions? λ NegativeMP1 19:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Habit  5

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We do these every day. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. Another one that has surprisingly not been added yet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Swap I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier for Bella ciao  5

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I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier may have been influential at the time but now seems largely forgotten, with low pageviews and it seems largely eclipsed by other famous US protest songs such as those of the civil rights movement. Bella ciao was popularized as an Itlian WW2 partisan song and remains popular and recognized all over the world to this day. Including the former over the latter seems like a case of US-centrism.

Support

1. As nom Iostn (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Arsenal F.C.  5 with Inter Milan  5

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Inter is another team that I'm surprised hasn't already been listed, and unlike the Dodgers, I don't think they've ever been nominated. They're currently second in Serie A titles, the only team to play in every Serie A season (although Juventus FC  5 would've joined them if it wasn't for a certain scandal), and third in Italy in terms of trophies won, only 3 trophies behind second placed AC Milan  5. They've also won 3 Champions Leagues, more than Juventus. It's also not a case of recency bias, as a lot of their success has come in the 20th century. Finally, they also get more pageviews on average than both Juventus and AC Milan [3]. In order to prevent the association football section from getting too overcrowded, I nominate Arsenal for removal, as they're the only team I think could possibly be removed at this point (except MAYBE FC Porto  5). Yes, they're third in England in terms of trophies won (also having 3 more trophies than Inter), and they're quite ahead of fourth placed Chelsea, but they're closer to Chelsea and Manchester City in terms of trophies won than they are to Liverpool F.C.  5 and Manchester United F.C.  5. They also have little success in Europe, only winning one major UEFA trophy (and that competition doesn't even exist anymore). Finally, this is more of a minor gripe as well, but of course, they also haven't won the Premier League in 20 years now.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Support addition. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Support addition Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Support addition. Historical club with storied success in Italy and Europe. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Old MacDonald Had a Farm  5

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As mentioned in the Baby Shark VA by Makkool. One of the most iconic children's songs/nursery rhymes ever, recognized around the world, been around for over 300 years, and an easy add in a lacking department in terms of VAs.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
2. It's a necessary add, as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is currently our only traditional children's song Makkool (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Snake (video game genre)  5

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Everybody knows what the snake game is and everybody has played it too; it's been around forever and has always been iconic. It technically started with the arcade game Blockade (video game), and since then, it's seen hundreds of "remakes" and re-releases just about everywhere.

Support

1. As nominator. Would also support Blockade if more people prefer that. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Iconic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
3. The article doesn't necessarily do a good job of explaining why its important, but that's an issue that can be resolved. I feel like this game has more cultural consciousness than a lot of other games on this list. λ NegativeMP1 06:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fanta  5

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We only list two specific soda brands, one at V4 and one at V5. While I get it might be harder to justify a specific soda brand for vitality over some more broad type of beverage, we can list more than two, and Fanta makes sense. It's existed for eighty years, has some historical significance related to its role as a World War II-era cooking ingredient, is the second most-popular soda brand in Africa, and in general is a globally popular drink; it's more popular in international markets than in the United States.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Would also support Dr. Pepper, Sprite and Mountain Dew. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Might also support Dr. Pepper or Sprite. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Would be good to add more than this. Sprite or Dr. Pepper would be good, and I might also support Mountain Dew. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Fanta, Dr. Pepper, Sprite, and maybe Mountain Dew. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

1. I wouldn't mind adding this, but I feel like Dr Pepper is a better choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

   How? It has half the interwikis as Fanta (it has even less than Sprite) and doesn't seem to have evidence suggesting wide-spread popularity (just because its sold in Australia or other places doesn't mean its popular there). Part of the reason I'm nominating Fanta is because of how its globally popular regardless of the region. If we chose to add a lot more sodas (e.g. 5 more) then sure, Dr Pepper would be fine, but Fanta and maybe even Sprite should come before it. λ NegativeMP1 17:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

   Fair. I actually almost said Sprite, but I switched to Dr Pepper at the last second. I was mostly going by pageviews (which DP destroys Sprite in, I know it isn't everything though [4]), and that DP is the best-selling soda in the US that's not Coke (again, Sprite is not only right behind, but the US isn't the only thing that matters). My opinion still stands on Fanta, and I would rather add Sprite. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

   @JpTheNotSoSuperior: I’ve never seen Dr Pepper before and rarely hear of it. I’ve seen all the rest of the drinks mentioned above. starship.paint (RUN) 00:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Red Bull  5

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Another glaring omission. The most iconic energy drink in the world, and the most valuable soft drink that's not Pepsi or Coke. Also known for its sports divisions (like RB Leipzig and the New York Red Bulls) and it's own music division, and it has an iconic slogan (Red Bull gives you wings). 56 interwikis and top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Prominent global brand Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Per above and connected to Red Bull Racing in Formula One as well. starship.paint (RUN) 00:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
5. Important energy drink and sports brand. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
7. Much more than just an energy drink. The Blue Rider 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Supreme People's Court  5, remove Supreme Court of Canada

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Canada is currently the smallest country by either population or GDP for which we list its highest court. In contrast, China ranks #2 in both respects.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Venus of Urbino  5

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Widely viewed as Titian's masterpiece and as one of the greatest nude paintings in Western art history.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Notable painting, per nom. 49p (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Post-structuralism  5

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Major philosophical movement. "Writers whose works are often characterised as post-structuralist include Roland Barthes  5, Jacques Derrida  4, Michel Foucault  4, Gilles Deleuze  5 and Jean Baudrillard  5."

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
4. How was this not already listed? Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Turkish March (Beethoven)

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Not a major piece by the composer, ranked 41st in Category:Compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven by pageviews (counting from beginning of 2020). 9 interwikis, ~50-70 daily views, <30 watchers. Vitality claims amount to some arrangements and a lawsuit about a version used in El Chavo del Ocho  5.

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
3. --Thi (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Trespass to land and Trespass to chattels

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Maybe this is sufficiently covered by Trespass  5? Very few page views and interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
3. both per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Trim Languages

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Remove Herero language  5

The Niger–Congo languages subsection currently has 31 articles, which definitively could do some trimming when compared to other language subsections. The Herero language is primarily spoken by an ethnic group not listed as VA and only has an estimated 250,000 speakers.

Support

1. B3251_(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. I like the enthusiasm for boldly slashing stuff I do. Unfortunately, I believe human languages to be of vital importance. Many of these only have low or no speakers because of violent genocide against them, colonialism, or a combination, and that is worth remembering. I do support trimming many sections, though.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per GeogSage. Niger–Congo languages are a large language family, so naturally we should list more of them. Trimming too much from African languages would make the languages section less balanced. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Has by far the most interwikis of the three (66), and as a user stated above, the Herero and Nama genocide  5 significantly reduced their population. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 02:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
4. I'll also note that there aren't that many ethnic groups listed as vital (including those with a high population in general Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Luba-Katanga language  5

Similar reason as above. Had an estimated 1.5 million speakers over 30 years ago. IMO a language should not be considered VA if there isn't even a modern estimation on how many people speak it.

Support

1. B3251_(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. per my previous explanationGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per GeogSage Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. One of the major native languages of the DRC, and also a stat being outdated isn't a reason to remove the page Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Ovambo language  5

Similar reasons as the above two. Had an estimated 1.4 million speakers over 30 years ago.

Support

1. B3251_(talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. per my previous explanationGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per GeogSage. The article states that it's "the largest spoken local language in Namibia" Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Most spoken native language in Namibia (around 50% speak it natively) and ditto what I said above about the dated stat Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Britannia  5

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Arts is over-quota, and we are listing currently two personifications for Great Britain. I suggest we remove Britannia and keep John Bull  5 instead, as I believe it's more iconic and relevant. Compare him to Uncle Sam.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Has a very long history and remains commonly used to the present day, unlike John Bull which was only popular until the time of the First World War. If we had to remove one of two, I would prefer removing John Bull instead. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Mars Inc.  5

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Would much rather add M&M's than the "40th largest private-held company in the United States". The Blue Rider 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Frito-Lay

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Well known manufacturer of several iconic chip brands, especially in the United States, most notably Lay's, Doritos, and Cheetos (sidenote: I think all three of those could be VAs). Yes, it's technically already covered by PepsiCo  5, but so is KFC  5, so I think this could suffice.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Maker of some of the most iconic potato chip brands in the world. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. A bit US-centric, I'm afraid. Potato chip  5 is only V5 so I'm not convinced we need to list the largest maker of them. And yes, it's covered by PepsiCo  5 in a way that KFC  5 is not, because Yum! Brands is not vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Changing vote to oppose, per feminist. We are over-quota in Politics and economy, and lack vital companies in other industries. Makkool (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Would rather add one or two of the individual brands Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove John Bull  5

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Was popular as the national personification of the UK only until WW1. Britannia  5 has instead remained ubiquitous as a national symbol, like Marianne  5 for France.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Mingrelians

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Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

Support

1. _pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Iostn. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Indictment and Arraignment

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These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add World Trade Center (2001–present) and/or One World Trade Center

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These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Mars Inc.  5

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Would much rather add M&M's than the "40th largest private-held company in the United States". The Blue Rider 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Makkool you cannot close this since the last comment was 3 days ago. The Blue Rider 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice your last comment. Makkool (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Deconstruction  5

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An important philosophical theory, related to Tabu Makiadi's previous proposal.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Remove University of California locations

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The affected articles are:

1. University of California, Davis
2. University of California, Irvine
3. University of California, San Diego
4. University of California, Santa Barbara

University of California  5 is only VA5, the page it is on is 200 articles over the quota, and I don't know why these four campuses were listed over the other six. In my opinion, if we are going to list any UC campus, it should be UC Berkeley. I understand that some people may think that these are vital, but we are well over the quota for this page, and we need to start cutting the less important entries.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. They're important Universities for sure, but there are a lot of important universities.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Head of government  5

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Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
4. λ NegativeMP1 19:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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