Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/STEM

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Introduction

The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

Voting count table (>60%)

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1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
   1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
   2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
   3. Have at least 4 participants.
2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
   1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
3. For proposed additions from August 2024 onwards, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

For reference, the following times apply for today:

• 15 days ago is: 11:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
• 7 days ago is: 11:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as STEM subjects:

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biological and health sciences/Biology

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biological and health sciences/Animals

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biological and health sciences/Plants

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Biological and health sciences/Health

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Basics and measurement

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Astronomy

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Earth science

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Chemistry

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Mathematics

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Physics

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Technology

Add emerging/futurism concepts (remaining nominations)

A bit sf-y, but discussed in science. The articles we have are generally about science, not sf treatment of those (fiction is generally relegated to seprate articles). Perhaps some of this belongs under physics and not technology, but that's a minor issue. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• I archived the closed nominations, only two open ones are left. starship.paint (RUN) 14:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Asteroid mining

Big industry of the future, unless we self-destruct :) 22 intewikis, ~375 daily page views. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 11:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support, comment below  Carlwev  13:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I feel we shouldn't list any examples of emerging technologies, as the parent article is only V5. Makkool (talk) 06:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• This one's a toss-up for me. The actual technical side of it isn't too speculative; people talk about it now and it probably could be done if somebody really wanted to. Skeptical the economics will ever let it take off though, at least in my lifetime. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, this one feels very on the border. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• I think this fits in OK with other articles already listed. Although it is an educated guess, the concept is very likely going to happen in the future, and it's not exceptionally theoretical, like other concepts. We list time travel at lev 4 and at lev 5 we list space colonization and worm hole, the latter theoretical like time travel, and the former is possible, just difficult and not quite here yet unless you count the space stations. Asteroid mining will probably be significant in the not too distant future, and regardless of when and if it ever happens I'm sure the concept will be written and read about, studied and discussed a bit. Even if we still aren't doing it in 50 years, that argument hasn't stopped us listing time travel, worm hole or space colonization.  Carlwev  13:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Self-replicating machine

Some key concepts related to Nanotechnology  4. 14 intewikis, ~150 daily page views. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I feel we shouldn't list any examples of emerging technologies, as the parent article is only V5. Makkool (talk) 06:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
2. We added Self-replication  5. @Zar2gar1: any change in opinion? starship.paint (RUN) 13:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• Another borderline one for me: it can approximately be done right now, but feel like a lot of the concept revolves around more futuristic applications. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Add Tilikum (orca)

Tilikum, a captive orca linked to three human deaths, symbolizes debates on animal captivity ethics and fostered awareness about animal welfare. The Blue Rider 01:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. I would also support adding animal ethics and animal rights, alongside having an example of an animal affected by these concepts. λ NegativeMP1 17:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Feels too recent events to consider vital. Makkool (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

I'm not sure of this one. We do list animal welfare at level 4 in fact. The suggestion here is that this animal would "symbolize" or "represent" animal ethics. But we do not yet list animal ethics, and we also do not list animal rights either, which could be a much more obvious addition. This whale is definitely notable but I'm not sure if it's notable enough for the vital articles or not.  Carlwev  13:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Two coefficients and one fallacy

Add Coefficient of determination

Variance  4 helps understand the spread of a sample, but its value alone may not provide much insight. This is where the coefficient of determination comes into play. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Coefficient of correlation

Covariance  4 helps understand how two variables change together, but its value alone doesn't show the relationship's strength or direction. That's where the coefficient of correlation comes in. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Correlation does not imply causation

In fields like economics and statistics, it's vital to remember this fallacy. Recognizing this distinction is crucial for accurate data interpretation and analysis. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Centrosome

The vital MTOC for many animal cell types, a hugely important organelle. Also, centrioles are already on there, and they make up the centrosome, so surely centrosome is higher priority for being on there? GraziePrego (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. per nom. Also, would you like to add your support, GraziePrego? Here at vital articles nominators usually support their proposals and are counted for the purposes of votes. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support! Thank you for the tip that I can support my own, @Hanif Al Husaini. GraziePrego (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 02:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
5. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Move online services to all in one pages

I noticed that Apple and Microsoft are on a different page than Google, Amazon, and Facebook. I don’t think it makes sense to list several websites and companies on two different pages. I’m hoping that we can develop a structure so that major companies, websites, and services are all on the same page. Interstellarity (talk) 19:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we need to list companies and websites on the same page. I moved webpages back to where they were, but I did leave the IT companies with the rest in Economics. I also think that we should have a structure: something like Meta Platforms and Alphabet Inc.  5 in Economics and Facebook  4 and Google  4 in technology. Makkool (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Makkool I think we should discuss how we structure these pages at level 4. It didn’t make sense to me that Google, Apple, and Microsoft were on different places so I combined them into one. Any thoughts on what we should do with those pages? Interstellarity (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the best solution is the one I outlined above: to have Meta and Alphabet represent Facebook and Google along Apple and Microsoft. Makkool (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Makkool: I just noticed that YouTube, Facebook, and Wikipedia are in different sections. What do you want to do with that? Interstellarity (talk) 15:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Add OpenOffice.org

The ancestor of LibreOffice  5 and Apache OpenOffice. Interstellarity (talk) 10:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 10:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. It was one of the most popular pieces of open-source software in its heyday, but it still had a significantly lower market share than MS Office even at its peak. It did not last a particularly long time, with less than ten years between its first and final releases. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

• Apache OpenOffice is not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

  @QuicoleJR: I know it's not. That's why I proposed its predecessor which is the ancestor to LibreOffice and OpenOffice. Interstellarity (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Add Codex

The replacement for the Scroll  5 (proposed for VA4) and direct predecessor of the Book  2. Used for several centuries. 52 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
2. notable omission with many interwikis, per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add New York City Transit Authority and/or Metropolitan Transportation Authority

We list NYC subway at L4, but we don't have coverage for the bus system that goes there. I suggest adding these so that the buses and other forms of transit are covered here. Interstellarity (talk) 21:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Microform

Found a lot in libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I continue to assert WP has many redlinks and redirects that could be vital articles. Microfilm and microfiche should not be redirecting to this subject and either or both could be VA5. This term is uncommon and made important by virtue of its vital subjects that redirect to it.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)

Neutral

Discussion

World additions

Add World

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Surprised this wasn't listed. Interstellarity (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. surprising omission. starship.paint (RUN) 15:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
3. !! The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Possible overlap with Universe  2.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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World war

Many world wars besides WWI and WWII have existed, a vital concept for history, politics and culture. 72 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Supporting and agreeing with above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too general of a term.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

1. Not true, it is pretty well defined. Plus we list things much more abstract than this. The Blue Rider 14:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

World government

Controversial issue that is often debated in politics. 37 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

World population

Widely studied concept per itself but also its implications; important for geography, politics and demography. 77 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Important. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Gustave (crocodile), the Tsavo Man-Eaters, and the Beast of Gévaudan

We can probably have some man-eaters on the individual animals section. These animals are held to at least killed 100 people. (There's also the Leopard of Rudraprayag, but we already have the hunter who killed him.)

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Support Tsavo man-eaters and the beast of Gevaudan. Oppose Gustave, as it seems to be too recent and we can't see if it's a long-standing topic that has vitality in the future. Makkool (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I just can't convince myself that these are vital in the same way that so many Vital Articles are. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

1. We literally have fourteen individual animals. Not sure if these are the next ones to add. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

   The animal page is still under quota. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Add Boulevard and Avenue (landscape)

Important streets we have missed. Interstellarity (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Sure why not. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Ridesharing company

We list taxis, but not ridesharing. Interstellarity (talk) 00:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
2. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Intercity bus service

We list Public transport bus service and this should be listed as well. Interstellarity (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Intercity rail

An important type of rail not listed. Interstellarity (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Input device and Output device

Both cover fundamental concepts that are essential for Human–computer interaction  5. A User interface  4 relies on both, so this level-4 section (Touchscreen  4, Computer mouse  4, Keyboard technology  4, Computer monitor  4) includes both articles. Also includes computer-based Headphones  5 and Microphone  4, and sometimes Printer (computing)  4.

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 01:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Theoretically more timeless concepts than the specific device types.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Immunology additions

We are well under the quota for Health, and we are missing a lot of very basic topics. These are definitely more important to include than some random obscure author or actor.

Add Immunization

The process where your Immune system  3 becomes better at fighting a specific Pathogen  4. One way of achieving this is through a Vaccine  3. 35 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
5. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Inoculation

Parent topic to Vaccination  4. 25 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Adaptive immune system

One of the two main immunity strategies found in the Immune system  3. Forms the basis of Vaccination  4. 43 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Innate immune system

One of the two main immunity strategies found in the Immune system  3. The main response found in plants and invertebrates, and the part that isn't specific to diseases you are immune to. 37 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Malaria vaccine

Malaria  3 is VA3, and this vaccine reduces hospitalizations by around 30%. 26 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Considering we list Influenza vaccine. Interstellarity (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Goal

We need to set them every day. Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Fine with me. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Moral responsibility

Another straightforward addition since we take responsibility for our actions. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Carbamazepine

We really need to work on improving our health list. This medicine is on the WHO List of Essential Medicines, over two million prescriptions in the United States alone. 42 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Epilepsy.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Megafauna  5

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Commonly used zoological concept.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Easy support. Would also consider adding charismatic megafauna. The Blue Rider 00:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

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Add Offspring

Term is an important one for reproduction. Interstellarity (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Remove Attercopus, Brontoscorpio, Plesiosiro

As much as I dislike contributing to the bias against invertebrates, I unfortunately don't see much indication that these fossil arachnids are important enough concepts to be vital articles given their taxonomic recency combined with not being very popular research topics in general. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Women’s health concepts

These concepts encompass a range of conditions and procedures directly affecting Women's health  5, Reproductive rights  5, and well-being:

In vitro fertilization

Amenhorrea

Hysterectomy

Ovarian cancer

Polycystic ovary syndrome

Pelvic inflammatory disease

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Support all. I have heard of most of these, and I trust that they are all vital. IVF in particular seems very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Oh wow, IVF isn't listed? feminist🩸 (talk) 12:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Things that are excluded because most people here are a dude. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Things that are excluded because most people here are dudes, and most people here are more interested in other topics besides STEM.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Convolution

A mathematical operation on two functions (or sequences) that produces a third function. “Convolution has applications that include probability, statistics, acoustics, spectroscopy, signal processing and image processing, geophysics, engineering, physics, computer vision and differential equations”

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Very important operation Mathwriter2718 (talk) 03:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Plantation

Combining cash crops and large estates, plantations have been important in creating the modern world economy, and they date back to ancient times. Their history is full of exploitation and conflict.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Diverticulitis  5

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Very common disease in the Western world, and Health is well under the quota. 39 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add health conditions

We are under quota by over 100 articles for Health. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Scar  5

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53 interwikis. Extremely common. Add to Injury?

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Extremely basic concept. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
5. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pimple  5

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Common during puberty. 15 interwikis. One of the symptoms of Acne  4. Add to Symptoms and signs? starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Comedo  5

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Comedo are "blackheads" and "whiteheads". 38 interwikis. Very common. One of the symptoms of Acne  4. Add to Symptoms and signs? starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Not as well known, but still common. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ingrown nail

30 interwikis. Add to Diseases?

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Mouth ulcer

Common ailment and 22 interwikis. Add to Symptoms and signs?

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Self-help

We list Self-help book, but not this topic. Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Typhoon

Subtopic of tropical cyclone. Interstellarity (talk) 21:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic metereology and geography concept. The Blue Rider 03:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Typesetting

An important aspect of the Printing press  4.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Pan-American Highway

The highway network from North to South America, with a small gap in Central America. According to the Guinness World Records, "the world's most longest motorable road".

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 23:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Media (communication)

We use these everyday like books and TV. Interstellarity (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. It connects all of this stuff together. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 10:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Replace Clopen set  5 with Connected space

Clopen sets are really not an very important concept. They matter basically only insofar a connected space is defined to be a set with no nontrivial clopens. If anything, Connected space should be nominated, and in fact I will nominate it. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC) Edit: I am changing this proposal from just removing Clopen to replacing Clopen with Connected space, as I should have done from the outset. Connectedness is one of the most fundamental concepts in General topology  4. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 02:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

• @Mathwriter2718:, hello! Here at WP:VA we support as nominator; also make sure to include a support, oppose and discuss subsection for people to vote. Cheers.
• @The Blue Rider: I am changing this proposal from just removing Clopen to replacing Clopen with Connected space, as I should have done from the outset. Feel free to retract your per nom support if you disagree.

Add Riemannian manifold

This is one of the fundamental objects of modern geometry. Another reason to add it is for consistency with other math vital ratings. There are many pairs of articles about a branch of math and its object of study, such as Riemannian geometry and Riemannian manifold, Group theory and Group (mathematics), Graph theory and Graph (discrete mathematics), and Ring theory and Ring (mathematics). Of these, Riemannian manifold is uniquely discordant with the rating of its companion, which is Level 4 vital. In fact, it is the only article I have listed that is not Level 4 vital. For full disclosure, I have a lot of edits on Riemannian manifold. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

This page has 1,002 wikilinks by the way. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 03:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add topics related to human evolution: Hominidae, Homininae, and Interbreeding between archaic and modern humans

Hominidae and Homininae are terms in the phylogenetic tree containing great apes and humans. Most other terms in the tree surrounding these are Level 4 or Level 5. Interbreeding between archaic and modern humans is a much-studied topic. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Anatomy additions

Found these three omissions

Add Rib cage  5

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We list Rib  5 and Sternum  5, but not this.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Celiac plexus

Also called "solar plexus"

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. suitable for this level. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pelvic floor

Now, a more better understood part of the body

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. suitable for this level. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ford Mustang

I'm not super confident about this one succeeding, since it's not one of the best-selling cars of all time, and we already have a Ford car listed (Ford Model T  5), but it's arguably the most iconic and best selling sports car of all time, and is also a iconic brand, especially in the United States. Not to mention, it gets more views on average than both the Volkswagen Beetle  5 and the Toyota Corolla  5 [1] (sidenote: the Corolla is not yet a VA at the time of writing, but it will be soon).

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add some missing education items and writing utensils

Just some simple items you'd find in a school or other place that I feel are important enough for VA status.

Add Bulletin board

Very common; seen at many places, notably universities, but also shops and sporting facilities. Also basically the inspiration for Internet forums.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Blackboard

Also known as chalkboard. Extremely common back in the day, but not as much nowadays, as they've mostly been replaced by the item below this. Still very recognizable, and not that hard to find one in our current world.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Whiteboard

Basically the replacement for the blackboard. Extremely common and used at many places, notably schools and offices.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Marker pen

The writing utensil for the whiteboard. Besides that, an extremely common writing utensil, especially in the school setting, one of the most common coloring utensils.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Crayon

I just assumed that this and colored pencils were added, but I'm very surprised they haven't been yet. The most common coloring utensil ever, seen everywhere, been around forever.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Colored pencil

Another very common coloring utensil, especially in the school setting. Another one I just assumed was already added.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Fountain pen

Another common type of pen. 60 interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Quill

One of the original writing utensils. I feel like you can't talk about iconic and important writing utensils without mentioning this.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Computer vision

A rapidly developing area of artificial intelligence that enables machines to interpret the visual world. Some applications include facial recognition and anomaly detection, which are increasingly used in transportation, healthcare, surveillance, and combat.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Quaternion

A number system that extends the complex numbers. Used in mathematics, physics, and computer science. 64 interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Support for level 5, quaternions are fairly important. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cold

Everyday concept.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Wow. I can't believe that nobody noticed this yet. Should probably be V4. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Obviously Mathwriter2718 (talk) 20:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Goose bumps and Shivering

Well known concepts, basically the body's response to the cold, the former via the appearance of bumps at the base of body hairs, and the later via the body shaking, teeth chattering, etc.

Support

1. Supporting both as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discuss

Add Patch (computing)  5

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Common concept in the digital world, especially with computers. Basically updating/modifying a software to most often fix any existing Software bug  5, though it can also just improve the software in general.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic concept. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Dwelling, Mobile home, and Caravan (trailer)

All different kinds of homes. Location: Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Residential_buildings_and_housing_units

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Hasn't someone suggested Shelter (building)? Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

Add Spider web

Everyone has seen a spider web/cobweb before. Basic concept that spiders do all the time. I have no idea where to put this. Maybe somewhere in the Biology page?

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Nest and Ant colony are missing too, I thought to check them to see where animal-made constructs are. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

   I gladly support both. Nest could possibly be V4 as well. Beehive is another notable one missing. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

3. per nom Makkool (talk) 09:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5.  Carlwev  04:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
6. In addition to everything else, also important to the V4 character of Spider-Man  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Glide (API)

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Defunct API that was replaced by OpenGL  5, DirectX  5, and the alikes. This was a proprietary API for 3dfx's graphic cards. Sure it ruled at a point, but it was a very short period: according to the 3dfx article they were mainly prominent in the late 1990s to 2000. We don't even list the company, 3dfx. Its rapid declined and became superfluous. Later bought by Nvidia  5 in 2000. The API was not useful other than being proprietary.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 02:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Atlantic hurricane

Proposing for the same reasons as my nomination of Typhoon. Most logical place to put it is in Air under Earth science. Interstellarity (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Common fish

Add Atlantic salmon  5

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A commercially important species of fish, farmed and fished for use as food in many countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

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Add Atlantic herring  5

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"one of the most abundant fish species in the world", important to the fishing industry for many countries

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

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Add European perch

The European species of Perch  4, popular game fish for recreational fishing around the world.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add SIM card

Essential technology in mobile devices.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. eSIM is probably going to be vital in a couple years as it becomes the new standard. 49p (talk) 05:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Common trees

Add Rowan  5

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A tree with a wide geographic distribution, used for many purposes and with folkloric and mythological meanings. We could also add European rowan, which has much more interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Tilia  5

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Also known as linden, or lime tree. Another tree used for several purposes and which has cultural significance.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Acer platanoides

Also known as Norway maple. A common type of maple in the old world, and also as an invasive species in America.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Add Shelter (building)

Maybe Residential buildings and housing units in Technology. It's clearly a need for all organisms. Interstellarity (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Remove Burn center  5

• Stub with 3 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 14:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Does not seem like a very common or important type of medical facility. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Wheelbarrow  4

It's a level 4 VA but it's missing from the Agricultural tools section of the level 5 list. IDBLWK (talk) 06:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. IDBLWK (talk) 06:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add SARS-CoV-2  4

Another level 4 VA missing from the level 5 list. IDBLWK (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. IDBLWK (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

1. Good catch! I think if it was already added to VA4 and voted upon, it is safe to add it to VA5 without a discussion. Just added. Thanks! Aurangzebra (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

   I suspect it was added without discussion; here's the addition, with similar adjacent edits by the same user, and this is the only search result for "SARS-CoV-2" in the VA4 discussion pages.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Nuptial tubercles

It attempts to explain the horn/spike/sandpaper-y growths, mostly on the heads of male fish in the breeding season. I consider it a vital part of fish anatomy, and I was surprised this article didn't exist! So, I created it by machine-translation from its Spanish counterpart and expected it to be picked up by experts who would run with it. This didn't happen. I have no formal scientific or academic education beyond mandatory schooling, and I am out of my depth. So, I hope that others consider it to be as vital as I do, and propel the article content to where it needs to be! Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 13:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discuss

Replace Fin  5, should be Fish fin

Its a anatomy article, therefore the latter is a better fit. Fin article relates more to Technology. It might need be kept, just not in the anatomy section.Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 07:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator 07:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

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Swap Peer-to-peer file sharing  5 for Peer-to-peer

I feel like the general concept should be listed than just "file sharing" cause there are many other usage of P2P that isn't just file sharing.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Swap Napster  5 for The Pirate Bay

Sailing the seas has a longer legacy than Napster. One lasts 20 years and ongoing, and the other only lasted 3 years. The Pirate Bay is "one of the most visited torrent websites in the world" and "sparked controversies and discussion about legal aspects of file sharing, copyright, and civil liberties".

Support

1. 49p (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Neither should be there. Both covered by the more basic concept above (Peer to peer file sharing) Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

   Not every more basic concept is always more important than its subconcepts or examples. The Blue Rider 00:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

2. per above Makkool (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Remove both. Interstellarity (talk) 12:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Napster and the legal battle surrounding it were of pivotal importance to the development of music sharing and distribution on the Internet, and foreshadowed the development of copyright conflicts to come. Neutral on adding TPB, which was influential, but by far the first service of its kind and has been in decline for years. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Multi-booting

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Many people dual boot their computer, but is it really a concept that needs to be listed? It's not a big concept in computers.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 21:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

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Add Curved spacetime

The page curved spacetime was recently split from Spacetime, a level 4 vital article. I believe that the topic of curved spacetime is vital enough and could fit under spacetime in the hierarchy. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As Nominator GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Electrode

Parent topics of Cathode  5 and Anode  5. Place under Electrical conductor  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Compass rose

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Should be under Navigation. This is one of the basics of a compass. Interstellarity (talk) 23:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 02:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

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Add Rust (programming language)

Under Scripting languages. Among the more popular programming languages in recent "scripting history", with 48 interwikis. One could argue that this is a similarly/more widely recognized language than a couple currently listed as VA by programmers. B3251_(talk) 06:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 22:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Raft

Ancient method of transport. Most logical place to put it is transportation. Interstellarity (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Web page, Domain name, and Web server

These are major components of websites. Most logical place to list would be as a subtopic of website which is already listed at level 4. Interstellarity (talk) 20:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all three. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Hyperlink

Place in Internet. A major component of links. Interstellarity (talk) 20:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. One of the most important concepts in the Internet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Here's an example. Important internet topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add User (computing)

We list Password, but not the article on usernames. Maybe in Computing and information technology basics. Interstellarity (talk) 20:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Another obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
5. per nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Mobile home and Group home

Maybe in Residential buildings and housing units, these types of homes are common in society. Interstellarity (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Pager and Wireless

These are important topics since pagers used to be more widespread and wireless is the new standard. Interstellarity (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Two basic concepts. Pagers are also relevant again for the time being due to a certain incident that occurred a few days ago. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Logging

Important industry worldwide. List under Agriculture.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 06:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Prediction and Forecasting

A Prediction is a commonly created form of intangible property; and Forecasting is the process of creating it. There is some overlap with Estimation  5 but a key difference is that predictions are concerned with future events or data, whereas estimations can be for both existing and future data.

Prediction can be placed under Mathematics#Statistics and probability; Forecasting can be placed under Technology#General.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Lissachatina fulica

Also known as Giant African land snail. A popular pet animal, and also a major invasive species in some parts of the world.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Articles in 32 languages. This species is very common: USA, China, Brazil, Italy, Nigeria, Papua New Guinea.... starship.paint (RUN) 13:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
3. We definitely have room for this. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Microcomputer

A class of computers that includes Home computers.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Covers the Commodore 64  5, Raspberry Pi  5, ZX Spectrum  5 and Apple II  5, among others Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Portable computer

A class of computers that includes Laptop  5s.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Cell polarity

Vital concept for determining cellular identity, organelle arrangement, migration direction, etc etc

Support

• GraziePrego (talk) 01:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

per nom -1ctinus📝🗨 02:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Cell migration

Vital concept that determines how a cell works as part of a multicellular organism. All immune cells are constantly doing this, cells do it during early organism development, it's vital for everything a cell does.

Support

• GraziePrego (talk) 02:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

1. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Inca road system

Since we have Roman roads  5. This was the most extensive infrastructure project built in the Americas before European colonization and arguably remained so for centuries.

Support

1. As nominator Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Some Aquaculture removals

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Not sure why we have so many articles dedicated to this, but these may balance some of the recent Technology additions we've made:

• Aquaculture of giant kelp
• Geoduck aquaculture
• Offshore aquaculture
• Organic aquaculture
• Raceway (aquaculture)
• Scallop aquaculture

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 09:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Very bad stats, indicating too specialized concepts.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Weak oppose Scallop aquaculture because I feel like people eat scallops often enough to include it and Scallop  4 is VA4, support the rest. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Firefox

Firefox isn’t that important of a web browser. It has a very low market share and doesn’t seem to grow anytime soon.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too historically significant; the market share was much bigger, about 1/3, at its peak, and over 6% (according to the StatCounter graph) is still a lot of people. It was/is big enough to get a Britannica article. Also a major example of Open source  5 software. Maybe remove it after another 5-10 years of dwindling users.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
2. This was more widely used than Internet Explorer  5 in some countries and is still by far the most widely used open source browser. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. We have much less important things listed then one of the major browsers. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Way too historically significant, and is also a pretty good example of open source software as Laukku has said. None of the current web browsers we list should be removed. λ NegativeMP1 17:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

Add Passive smoking

Smoking is in the 1000 list. The 10'000 list contains cigarette, tobacco, health effects of tobacco, and smoking cessation, (the last up for removal from level 4). Passive smoking I would expect to be at least level 5, 50,000 material separate from the other articles at higher levels. I believe it would be of interest to general readers and experts, across several areas, such as health, social, law for example. The WHO estimates passive smoking kills 1.3 million people per year, seams very significant.

Support

1. Support as nom.  Carlwev  04:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Major health concept, and Smoking  3 is VA3. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Remove Debian

I don't think we need any Linux distributions for level 5. If we need a Linux distribution, then ChromeOS would be a better choice.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I disagree and think we need at least one Linux OS (except Android (operating system)  4 if you count that) for VA5. Debian is old and big enough to differentiate itself from Linux. 49p (talk) 20:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above, and just as I was opposed to removing Ubuntu Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Absolutely not. And the idea of not having any Linux distributions at V5 is absurd when Linux  4 is Level 4 and is absolutely widespread enough to have subtopics. λ NegativeMP1 17:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

Remove Urban Dictionary

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Not convinced this is vital other than that it's just a website.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
2. 49p (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)\
3. Per nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Phone connector (audio)

We been using the idea of these things since 1878 (roughly, the modern jack did not exist til like the 60s). We list USB protocols like USB-C  5, so what stopping this?

Support

1. Add into somewhere in the sub-categories of Computer port (hardware)  5? 49p (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Remove Engineering optimization  5 and Engineering studies  5

Minor concepts in Engineering. The latter is actually a humanities field that's part of Science and technology studies, and we don't list it

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Data center

Important infrastructure in today's world.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
2. for sure Aurangzebra (talk) 23:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Clinical trial

A basic part of health research.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
2. good suggestion Aurangzebra (talk) 23:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
5. how is this not already included? GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Infant mortality and Birth defect

Noted in a discussion above the pages for Infant mortality and Birth defect are not listed. I am posting to correct this as I believe they are a pretty serious omission.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 02:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 02:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Support infant mortality per nom, there is already an active proposal for birth defect which obtained consensus to add two months ago but has not been added yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

   Note: I closed that proposal. Birth defect is now listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Keratitis

Important medical topic, one million people are blinded every year by the fungal version alone, and that version isn't even the most common one. In my opinion, this could potentially make VA4. 33 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Adding Common drugs and reorganizing some

The World Health Organization lists several "Essential Medicines" in their document here. Many are not included in the list. Furthermore, several common drugs are also not included. I have gone through and found several that are on their list but not on ours, as well as one that is not on their list (hydrocodone, Gabapentin, alcohols (medicine), and medicinal cannabis) but that I think is important to include.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Bupropion

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Important type of antidepressant. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Clomipramine

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. There is room. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Carbamazepine

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Amitriptyline

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. More than seven million prescriptions in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Fluphenazine

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per discussion below. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

@GeogSage: Can you please explain why this one should be listed? I can't really tell from reading the article why it is more important than other medicines we could list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, so I went through the WHO Model List of Essential Medicines and spot checked a few medicines. I believe everything on this list should be included on Vital, and wanted to get the ball rolling. I started with medicines that were psychiatric because that seemed to be thinner. Ultimately, I would like to go through the list systematically and add all the UN essential medicines, but this is a start as it could get overwhelming otherwise. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hydrocodone

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. We have room for this, and it can always be removed if we stop having room. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Gabapentin

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. The tenth most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with over forty million prescriptions. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Clonazepam

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. More than eleven million prescriptions in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Alcohols (medicine)

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. Ethanol  4 is VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Medical cannabis

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Definitely vital. Cannabis  4 is VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Move Methamphetamine out of "Recreational"

Methamphetamine has legitimate medical uses, even in the United States under the name brand "Desoxyn." This should not be controversial, as while this prescription medicine is widely abused, many people can it at a pharmacy.

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Comment

Move Alcohol (drug) out of "Recreational"

Alcohol is used for medicinal purposes and as a component of many over the counter meds. We can leave Alcohol intoxication in its place.

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. That article does not mention any of the medical uses, instead being an article focused solely on the recreational and societal uses. Also, we are adding the article about its medical uses to the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment

1. @QuicoleJR:, I may be misunderstanding the article, but on Alcohol (drug)#Uses it lists "Medical" and "Self-medication." This seemed like a good reason to move it from "recreational" as there are legitimate medical uses. Cough syrup has alcohol in it for example.

Move Cannabis (drug) out of "Recreational"

This is much more controversial obviously, but in many states in the United States, people ARE getting prescriptions for medical cannabis.

Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose. I understand the reasoning, but we are adding Medical cannabis to the list, so I don't think this is needed. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment

We may want to make a section for drugs that were used historically, but are now replaced with something better. If such a category is created, Opium and Heroin can go into it. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Rubus

A large and diverse genus of plants, includes Raspberry  4 and Blackberry  4. We are below-quota on Plants, so there is room for it.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Military base

A basic type of military infrastructure that's common across the world. See, for example, the ones in List of American military installations.

Support

1. As nom. To fortifications. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Sure.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Easy support. The Blue Rider 17:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Lymphatic filariasis

Very common tropical disease, infecting millions. There is a separate article on efforts to eradicate it. 41 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Myspace

Not as popular as other social media platforms like Facebook, TikTok, Snapchat, and Twitter. We should try to cut down on what social media platforms we list at this level.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. It was extremely important in the early days of the Internet. It may not be as popular now, but removing it based on that would be recentist IMO. 83 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Websites and WikiProject Internet culture. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per QuicoleJR, MySpace was a pioneer for social media. The Blue Rider 19:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Where it all started. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose. Historically significant to the development of social media. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Los Alamos National Laboratory

Los Alamos National Laboratory has made some very significant contributions to the 20th and 21st centuries, specifically regarding the development of nuclear weapons, but also in other areas of research.

Spport

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Match

Important everyday item we don't yet list. Add under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Lighting

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Central place theory

Central place theory is really important to the discipline of geography, and is fairly old and well established in the literature.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Seems somewhat important, and I believe this section is under the quota. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances

PFAS is a well-known pollutant and carcinogen. Given its importance in Chemsitry and environmental science, I believe it should be a vital article. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom -1ctinus📝🗨 00:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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• 1ctinus it is standard to support has nominator on the WP:VA project. The Blue Rider 00:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  • oops -1ctinus📝🗨 00:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier

U.S. Aircraft carriers are a major technological and geopolitical topic. The Gerald R. Ford-class is the newest entering service, and is the centerpiece of the U.S. Navy.

Support

1. As nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)