Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Joe Biden/Archive 1
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Draft
Certainly while the creator is seeing if any other editor is willing to join, it makes sense for this project to be marked as draft. I have done so. Echoing the above, I would encourage the creator to follow the process outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- I've removed the draft template. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Split Proposed
ResolvedA split was proposed in Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Why?
@Another Believer: I came here because Special:WantedCategories was being flooded with assessment categories for this project. I resolved that by disabling the quality cats in Template:WikiProject Joe Biden, in this edit[1]. The categories can be re-enabled if and when this project ever gets off the ground.
Before doing so, I had checked and noted the following issues:
- This is new project, created yesterday[2]
- I can find no evidence of any prior discussion anywhere. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=17419172 finds only two links to the project page other than from the project banner: the redirect WP:BIDEN, and User:Another Believer/Projects#WikiProjects and task forces
- There was no proposal at WP:COUNCIL/P, and I can find no proposal at any other WikiProject page, nor even at Talk:Joe Biden.
- Another Believer has a track record of creating failed WikiProjects, e.g.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Rufus Wainwright, created in 2009[3], which seems to have only ever had two discussions on its talk page: one in 2011, one in 2016
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Hillary Clinton, created in 2015[4], which has had no discussion since 2016, and which seems to have only ever had 2 or 3 substantive discussions in its whole existence.
- There is also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Barack Obama, not created by AB, but which has had no discussion since Sept 2013.
So, it seems that this type of project rarely gains traction. Unless it becomes active soon, I will nominate it for deletion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:49, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: please do. Even the one participant has not bothered to reply! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, @MSGJ. I will give it fourteen days after its creation. Then MFD time. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- MSGJ, I didn't know I was supposed to reply. BHG suggested a specific action on their part. shrug, ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: May I go ahead and archive this discussion? ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I support you doing so. It's unproductive. Missvain (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Missvain, Thanks, I will soon if no one else weighs in. Several people have signed up as participants recently so this is moot. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- I support you doing so. It's unproductive. Missvain (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- I share to some extent BrownHairedGirl's concerns. There are way too many WikiProjects on Wikipedia, and I have yet to come across a WikiProject for an individual person that has really gotten traction (even presidents of the United States—WP:TRUMP has a few posts, but it's a fraction the activity level of Talk:Donald Trump, and I'd go to the latter if I wanted to discuss something relating to all Trump pages). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Sdkb, I don't know what else to say at this point. There are a group of editors who have signed up as participants. I see no harm in using this project space to work on related articles until there's no longer interest. The project can always be folded at a later date. What's the point in trying to stop/slow this project's progress from the start? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: The issues I see with having lots of inactive/semi-active projects are that it creates potential for WP:TALKFORKs, confuses beginners who might not know it's not the best place to post (and more experienced editors who might be clicking through talk page banners trying to find an active project), and will use up editor energy when someone eventually decides to give it the boot. Having hyper-specific projects also draws attention away from the more general projects which will have a larger and more balanced editor pool. Overall, we're at a point across Wikipedia where most projects are inactive enough that we need to start a concerted effort to consolidate them and enforce the idea that they shouldn't be too specific. This isn't something that I feel so strongly about that I'll nominate it for deletion myself, but if it does get nominated by BHG or someone else, I hope this helps explain my perspective. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:59, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- Sdkb, I don't know what else to say at this point. There are a group of editors who have signed up as participants. I see no harm in using this project space to work on related articles until there's no longer interest. The project can always be folded at a later date. What's the point in trying to stop/slow this project's progress from the start? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- Was asked to jump in here and helpout. Shame to see editor's trying to discourage other editors from contributing in a positive matter. Will fix up the page as best as I can this weekend. Still shocked to see people go out of there way to stop positive actions.--Moxy 🍁 22:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Admin here. First, please be civil and assume good faith. This is an unproductive conversation and it's only getting more and more negative. Second, bringing a project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council is not a requirement to start a new project. Projects are started by a user if they believe there is interest. There is clearly interest, therefore this project is a welcome addition to our broader Wikipedia WikiProject community. Just like Wikipedia:WikiProject Barack Obama and Wikipedia:WikiProject Donald Trump. If someone has an issue with this Project please take it to Request for Comment - Wikipedia:Requests for comment/WikiProjects and collaborations. I think that'll be a waste of time, again, based on the model of assuming good faith, the fact that there is obvious interest in this project (including, to be transparent, from me) and there is no formal, policy-based process for new projects. I have started a few, long lasting projects in my day, so I have experience with this, I'm not just a talking head. I'm going to ask User:Another Believer to archive this, so this Project can move on to being productive. I know Wikipedians tend to like to beat a subject into the ground, but, I encourage you all to head off in your own ways and proceed to be productive on Wikipedia in the areas where you find interest so we can improve Wikipedia, rather than be dismissive of people's interests or projects. Again, if you have an issue with this Project, please take it up at RFC. Thank you everyone for assuming good faith in this comment and in each other, it is, to me, the rock of what makes Wikipedia the world's greatest online volunteer project. Missvain (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- Missvain,
Done Happy to archive ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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started this in main space, somebody moved it. Don’t know what more it needs. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
New article
The stub article about Bidenism has begun. I have already alerted editors that worked on Trumpism, so this is just an alert to participates on this WikiProject. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- ...and it's already up for deletion!
Missvain (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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Commons
Hi everyone! Just want to let you know I have finally finished organizing the Commons categories for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Took a few months, but, all meta-categorized out! Woot! I'm also tweaking Doug Emhoff (small entry thus far) and I'll be organizing Jill Biden. Hope this helps. I was delighted to find this project kicked off - I was wondering if someone had started one this morning! Missvain (talk) 00:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- I also created this new category for Wikipedia a few minutes ago: [5] Missvain (talk) 00:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- I also created this new category for Wikipedia a few minutes ago: [5] Missvain (talk) 00:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Added a userbox
Hello everyone, under templates, I added a Joe Biden userbox for us to display on our personal pages! Nirvanaoreilly (talk) 22:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
New article
Just a notice that a new article about Joe Biden has been created. Protests against Joe Biden. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Elijahandskip, Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
2021 United States Capitol protests
I'm not sure if it falls into the scope of this project, but 2021 United States Capitol protests is a recently created article about a significant event. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 20:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Created a new page for American Rescue Plan
Hi everyone! I'm a new and inexperienced editor that created a draft on Biden's upcoming "American Rescue Plan" $1.9 trillion stimulus package. I'm having trouble properly listing the provisions of the bill from sources without crossing copyvio. I renamed the new draft to "American Rescue Plan Act" since my other namesake "American Rescue Plan" draft has significant copyvio and will be deleted soon; afterwards, it can be renamed back to "American Rescue Plan". I'm starting from scratch and hope other experienced people can help me properly write the draft for submission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:American_Rescue_Plan_Act
If anyone can help, I'd greatly appreciate it! :) Phillip Samuel (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
In IP has requested at Draft talk:Joe Biden Supreme Court candidates that the draft be moved to mainspace. I am hesitant to do so, as there has not yet been a vacancy on the Supreme Court for Biden to address, but I am also aware that there have been names discussed in reliable sources in connection with a potential future vacancy. I will leave it to this project to decide whether the draft should be promoted on that basis. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Another new article, US Citizenship Act of 2021
And another friendly alert about a new Joe Biden stub that will likely need some TLC and/or maintenance. Thanks goes to Kas1234567 for its creation. Perryprog (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Template
Hi - I'm not savvy with making fancy templates and I'm busy working on a few other Biden-related activities, but, might be a good idea to create a Biden presidency version of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Biden_Vice_Presidential_staff
No rush, just a suggestion for our project to do list. 
Missvain (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Missvain, We might be prepared for something similar to Template:Trump presidency as well. Thanks for the suggestion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oops, I should have used a presidential template, not the vice presidential, necessarily. Missvain (talk) 21:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
WestExec Advisors
I have created a little stub for WestExec Advisors, founded in 2017 by Antony Blinken, Michèle Flournoy and others who look like they will be joining the Biden Administration. Please check my work, especially my assignments of categories. Also, check for bias in the part I copied from the Blinken article. Abductive (reasoning) 23:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
There is a slow-motion edit war currently happening about Katherine Tai's nationality. I'd welcome any comments at Talk:Katherine Tai. Thanks! AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:55, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Restaurant Revitalization Fund
I recently created an article for the Restaurant Revitalization Fund. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
American Accountability Foundation
I recently created an article for the American Accountability Foundation. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I have moved Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign to mainspace
Biden and his proxies have repeatedly said that he is running, which I think is enough to have a live article on the campaign. Basically, every appearance, trip, or event by a sitting president who intends to seek reelection has a dimension of being towards winning that reelection. Even if Biden were to decide not to run at this point, that would be more like a declared candidate dropping out (which we cover) than a possible candidate never declaring. BD2412 T 06:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- After some discussion, I have returned the article to draft for the time being. Cheers! BD2412 T 17:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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I recently started a draft for James Biden. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
2023 White House cocaine incident
I've been meaning to fill out the article, but real life is getting in the way. So if anyone is up for it please add more to this article, 2023 White House cocaine incident. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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Elizabeth Wilkins
I recently created a draft for Elizabeth Wilkins. She was Senior Advisor to Ron Klain, the White House chief of staff. Thriley (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I just created a draft for Alexander Smirnov who was recently arrested and charged with lying about the links between Joe and Hunter Biden and Burisma. Thriley (talk) 00:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)