Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Nomination of List of works of William Gibson to FLRC

I have nominated List of works of William Gibson for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Town of Cats (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Starfighter

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Starfighter#Questionable article. -- Trevj (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a dab page. What's questionable about it? It clearly sets out the several different "starfighters" (including a movie I'd never heard of, but somebody might be searching for). It also IMO offers interest (& value) to somebody searching "Starfighter" (wanting the F-104) & never having heard of the other uses. Which is, I imagine you know, the purpose of dab pages... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 06:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a dab page now, previously it was a page about "starfighters" in the Star Wars vein. We went through some discussion and an AfD and ended up renaming the article and merging most of the text that was there to List of fictional spacecraft. Barsoomian (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

This is really not my day at all... I never noticed the time/date stamp on that.... Thx. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 08:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Red vs. Blue FAR

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"The Culture" article names

Recently there has been a spate of renaming for articles connected with Iain M Banks "The Culture". (I may have triggered this myself.) Anyway, the most recent renames I think are ill advised and require some discussion to reach a consensus..

The title Culture series was changed without discussion to Culture (series). See Talk:Culture (series).

The Culture was changed to Culture (fictional civilisation). See Talk

The Culture was redirected to Culture series. (I reverted that immediately as it is quite wrong; the former is the society, the latter the books).

I think all should be reverted. Barsoomian (talk) 02:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I changed those article names. I do so detest wiki's complete ossification of any and all changes requiring a vote of every person who ever touched the article. That's why I ignore all rules. I've done my part -- first in changing the article names, for the better, next in my response to the two talk pages. Next is consensus, I suppose, which is a time-consuming and energy-sapping exercise. That's why I don't even bother editing wiki anymore. I've done what I wanted to do and said what I had to say. Now I leave it up in the hands of a "consensus", which hopefully will involve more than three people. erc ^{talk/contribs} 04:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

If having your edits questioned is so traumatic, then you're in the wrong place. I get reverted all the time. Nobody enjoys it. Citing WP:IAR doesn't give you the power to lay down the law. Barsoomian (talk) 06:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

As someone who (a long time ago) was quite heavily involved in editing these articles (but got distracted with other things in life), I do think the changes to "Culture (series)" and "Culture (fictional civilisation)" are acceptable changes. So I would suggest to keep them. However I do have the same thoughts as Barsoomian on Erc's comments in response to a partial revert and a discussion start. Erc, what you should be looking at to guide you when you feel things are ossified is maybe more WP:Be bold instead. At the same time accept that on a wiki, not all changes, as much as you like them, will find immediate (or necessarily any) agreement. Cheers from NZ 07:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingolfson (talk • contribs)

I responded on the merits of the titles at the articles in question, rather than hold parallel debates. Barsoomian (talk) 07:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ingolfson, perhaps to clarify, I'm not angry that my edits are questioned. I'm frustrated at wiki's culture. Instead of holding dispassionate discussion, Baroomian slams me with stuff like "NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO TYPE THAT" and "completely wrong". Of course, there is no cursing or direct personal attacks, but the overall culture and tone of the discourse is disquieting and rather upsetting. There's a difference between disagreement and slamming and marshaling all the forces of the Wiki SciFi Clique against me. Oh well. Such is life. erc ^{talk/contribs} 13:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying it is inappropriate to raise the issue at WikiProject Science Fiction? An issue that affected several science fiction articles. Where should I have gone? And try to separate criticism of your edits from criticisms of you. I think your edits were "disquieting and rather upsetting". I didn't say you acted in bad faith. Barsoomian (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for Culture (fictional civilisation) name to be returned to The Culture

Because of the mess of redirects, this needs an admin to execute, so a formal request is now under discussion at the article. Barsoomian (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• The admin closed the discussion with "move per request" and the name was restored. Barsoomian (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Men In Black listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Люди в чёрном 3 and Қара киімділер 3. Since you had some involvement with the Men In Black redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 76.65.128.252 (talk) 04:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The plot thickens

How much detail and plot spoilers should there be for a recent release, i.e. Earth Unaware published this July? I added a one paragraph synopsis that sets the stage, but doesn't give anything significant away, but a new editor expanded it considerably. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

WP doesn't avoid spoilers. See WP:SPOILER. Usually articles discussing the plot of books and films will include the ending and resolution of any "mysteries". These aren't reviews or previews. But an article should not just be a long recap of the plot. (See WP:MOSFICT, Template:All plot), it should discuss the real world response -- published reviews, etc. 02:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Heinlein Society

I'd like to suggest merging Heinlein Society (a one-sentence stub) with Robert Heinlein. Pundit|utter 07:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Title of new Star Trek movie

There is currently a discussion underway at the Talk:Star Trek into Darkness on the issue of whether the film title should capitalize the work "Into" or not. Participants in this project are encouraged to add their two cents worth there. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Prometheus (film)

Comments from project members would be welcome at Talk:Prometheus (film)#RfC: Is poor scientific awareness in movie Prometheus screenplay relevant?, members of this project need to be making their opinion known about this, it can set a very bad precedent for the project if fluff sources can be used to demand that we mention every time someone complains that a work of science fiction is not scientifically accurate or in the case of the sources being used in this argument, complaining about plot holes. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Fate of Worlds by Larry Niven is not notable?

Hi. User:SyFyGuy submitted an article through AFC process on Larry Niven's recently published Fate of Worlds. I declined the article on the basis of lack of notability (there were no independent rs for the book). The author of the article has queried this decision on my talk page arguing, correctly, that the book's notability and sourcing is equivalent to other books in the series which have WP articles (for instance, Betrayer of Worlds). Anyhow, I was wondering if any of you had an opinion on this matter. Thanks. FiachraByrne (talk) 17:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, I think the notability of all these recent Niven novels is dubious. These aren't exactly Ringworld and have not gotten (in my opinion) the requisite third-party attention. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge

Please see Talk:Campbell Conference (science fiction) and offer your opinion. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Literature portal

Literature has been nominated for a featured portal review and may lose its status as a featured portal. Reviewers' concerns are set out here. Please leave your comments (which can include "keep" or "delist") and help the portal to be of featured quality. The instructions for the review process are here. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Jurassic Park (film)/archive1

This FAR is overdue, so join in discussion. In the meanwhile, do not be afraid to fix the article Jurassic Park. --George Ho (talk) 00:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Aurora Awards

I'd like to ask for an opinion on the well-known Aurora Awards. Neelix recently moved the article from "Aurora Awards" to Prix Aurora Awards to make room for a relatively unknown awards organization with the same name. He has then embarked on the significant task of changing all the backlinks to reflect the move. Although the full name for the Canadian Auroras is indeed "Prix Aurora Awards", it is my belief that they are commonly known as the "Aurora Awards" (or the "Auroras").

I think the article should be moved back to the original title, per WP:COMMONNAME, and the less well-known Aurora Awards should be handled with a hatnote instead. I am certain that most (if not all) readers looking for the "Aurora Awards" are looking for the Canadian sci-fi/fantasy awards. I'd like to ask the opinion of project members on this matter. -- Scjessey (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Nobody? -- Scjessey (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Jan Howard Finder

This article could use signficant improvement. Sadly, the subject recently died. Bearian (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Howard V. Hendrix

I'd like to have a few more eyes on this one, if possible. This person claims on their website[1] to have been nominated for the Nebula multiple times, yet I can't find anything which supports that. There are also problems with sourcing a couple of the other awards. Any help is appreciated. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Stand on Zanzibar

Eyes on this article, please. See the "Predictions" section of the talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Slavic fantasy

Help with translation ru:Славянское фэнтези? Vyacheslav84 (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Would love to, but don't read Russian. Find me Polish sources and I'll help. As it stands, the article seems heavily biased towards Russian writers; it makes no mention of any Polish ones, and Andrzej Sapkowski, for starters, is widely popular in Russia, and was an influence on many writers there, too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

New article created: Neville Page

• Neville Page

I've created the new article, Neville Page. Feel free to improve or discuss at Talk:Neville Page. — Cirt (talk) 04:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's an idea: let's improve Iain Banks before he dies

As you might have heard, Iain Banks has only months to live. I wonder if anyone would be interested in helping to improve this article, to GA/FA quality, before he moves on? It would make a nice gift to one of the most important sf writers, and it's a one we could create without too much effort. What do you think? PS. Centralized discussion: here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

An absolutely wonderful idea. I'm afraid that I've read nothing by Iain (M) Banks, and know very little about him, but I'll see what I can offer the article. – Richard BB 10:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I've only had the opportunity to meet Ian Banks once, but I remember that day fondly. :) I'll do what I can to help. - 11:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment on Merger Proposal

There has been a request posted to Merge the Britten family , Hannah Britten , Michael Britten , Rex Britten articles into the Awake (TV series) article, or create a new article (proposed "List of Awake (TV series) characters") to be created or not per discussion >>>HERE<<<. Please join the debate. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 07:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Link to stories in the scanned pages of Omni magazine on Internet Archive

The Internet Archive has recently scanned all of the Omni magazines. I have made this edit to Sandkings.

1. Is this ok?
2. Can it be done to the rest of the stories in Category:Works_originally_published_in_Omni_(magazine)? Some of these stories (Dune, Gibson's) really deserve the reference.

--salty-horse (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• Seems like a legit. source. --EEMIV (talk) 21:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing to indicate that anything at that archive is legal; it appears to be a shameless violation of the copyrights of all the writers and artists involved. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Is it as clear-cut as that? Having to do with republication rights of individual authors that appear in a magazine? --salty-horse (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks like these scans are close to a year being online; if Omni's publishers wanted the Wayback Machine folks to pull them, they've had time. The host is a pretty well-established presence online, to the point we encourage using their archiving service when citing old content not hosted at an original site -- ie this doesn't seem to be someone's under-the-radar flatbed-scanner-generated repository on Geocities. I don't see a problem providing URL in citations and/or EL. But, this might be a question better posed to a copyright or RS noticeboard. I do know our project tries to avoid propagating copyright violation, but this archive seems so out there and available that copyright-holders, it troubled, woulda have already sought remedy. --EEMIV (talk) 21:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I've notified some copyright holders, such as Joe Haldeman, about this; and they assure me that remedies are being sought. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar: now comes in SVG flavor

I've finally gotten around to making a SVG version of the barnstar I made the project:

		The Science Fiction Barnstar

I've added it to the project page; feel free to revert me if that was presumptuous. Cheers! Sophus Bie ^(talk) 17:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Very nice. Thanks for the hard work! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Mass Effect series capitalization of alien race names

You're invited to join the discussion at Talk:Illusive Man#Request for comment. czar · · 03:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Starship Troopers' FAR

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Under the Dome (TV series)

Under the Dome (TV series) has been rated as "MID" importance to your project, is this correct? It seems odd to me -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I expect it's because it's a current TV show, rather than a non-notable past one, so whoever rated it as MID intended to make sure that information is kept up-to-date as possible. — Richard BB 07:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Science fiction genres

Category:Science fiction genres, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

edit-a-thon at UC Riverside

FYI: The UCR Libraries are hosting three edit-a-thons focusing on their great special collections (science fiction, water resources, the Inland Empire and more) on Oct. 12, 2013, Oct. 26, 2013, and Nov. 23, 2013.

This is relevant to the SF WikiProject because UCR Libraries host the Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy: http://eaton.ucr.edu/ -- "the largest publicly-accessible collection of science fiction, fantasy, horror and utopian literature in the world." This is a great opportunity to take advantage of these collections!

If you're in southern California please participate if you can; or remote participation is fine -- and you can leave questions for the librarians on the talk page -- they are excited to share the collection :) Details here. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 22:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Also if participants in this project have ideas for articles that attendees could edit, please add those suggestions here -- phoebe / (talk to me) 23:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Star Trek for peer review

• Portal:Star Trek

Miyagawa (talk · contribs) and myself have put Portal:Star Trek up for peer review.

We'd appreciate helpful feedback, at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Star Trek/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 19:43, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Star Trek featured portal candidate

• Portal:Star Trek

Miyagawa and I have nominated Portal:Star Trek as a featured portal candidate.

Commented would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Star Trek.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Can someone upgrade the article for Bill Fawcett (writer)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bill_Fawcett_%28writer%29 I previously spent a morning searching for bits of information about Bill Fawcett, and I have included all of that (with links) on the talk page for that article (which is currently a bare stub.) I know nothing about editing Wikipedia, and I am in no way connected to him.

As a reader of science fiction, I have seen his name pop up many times over the years, he is (was?) married to Jody Lynn Nye, he encouraged Robert Asprin to continue a series or take it in a new direction (or so one of the Author's Notes by Jody Lynn Nye indicated in one of the Myth-Adventures books,) he has edited many anthologies such as The Fleet series with David Drake, and his company is a book packager (I'm unsure of what that entails) that has handled over 350 books, many of which are well known books and authors in the genre. He is also a co-founder of Mayfair Games, I believe.

I came to Wikipedia one day to see what books he had edited (such as The Fleet) and I was surprised to see a red link. I looked at it and saw that it had been deleted several years ago for copyright infringement (however that would happen with a biography and bibliography.) I posted on the Requested Articles page, and I was grateful to see that the article has been added again, although it doesn't have much information at the moment.68.97.202.187 (talk) 20:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

"The Tomorrow People"

The usage of The Tomorrow People (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see talk:The Tomorrow People -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Time Patrol

Hi, I am French and I am sorry to see that there is no item about the Poul Anderson's book : Time Patrol.

Can someone write something about the novel (see here in French) or the novella (see here) ? Thank you.

--Éric Messel (talk) 10:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

"fighting machine"

The usage of Fighting machine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and fighting-machine is under discussion, see talk:Tripod (The War of the Worlds). "fighting machine" is currently used for a real world military topic. "Tripod" is a science fiction topic. -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"Flying-machine"

The usage of Flying-machine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and flying machine is under discussion, see talk:flying-machine. "flying machine" is currently used for a real world aeronautical topic. "Flying-machine" is a science fiction topic. -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"Handling-machine"

The usage of Handling-machine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and handling machine is under discussion, see talk:handling-machine. "handling-machine" is currently a science fiction topic. -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 07:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Lost works

I have just read an interesting article Great Lost Manuscripts of Science Fiction and Fantasy. It might make the basis of a good article, if anyone with the requisite knowledge feels inclined. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Science Fiction}}

Shouldn't there be a |novels=yes switch here? There exists Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Science fiction task force the science fiction novels taskforce, which logically should be shared between the two projects. -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Additional editors requested

Having a dispute with an editor at List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and atomic particles who apparently doesn't understand that a) wikis are not reliable sources, and b) list items should have some indication of significance (barring the establishment of specific inclusion criteria, at least). Thank you for your assistance. DonIago (talk) 19:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Archived some threads

I've archived some inactive threads to subsections which were notifications about discussions that have since been closed. — Cirt (talk) 04:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC).

James Robinson (filk musician)

This filker is up for deletion. Please discuss at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Robinson (filk musician). Bearian (talk) 22:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Science Fiction At Wikimania 2014

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Adikhajuria (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Science Fiction At Wikimania 2014 (updated version)

Please note: This is an updated version of a previous post that I made.

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

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Kleargear deletion discussion notification notice

1. Kleargear
2. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kleargear (2nd nomination)

Discussion about whether or not to delete article for Kleargear, discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kleargear (2nd nomination). — Cirt (talk) 23:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

New article on viral video - From The Doctor to my son Thomas

• From The Doctor to my son Thomas

I've created a new article on viral video From The Doctor to my son Thomas.

Help or suggestions with additional secondary sources would be appreciated on the article's talk page, at Talk:From The Doctor to my son Thomas.

Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 23:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Galaxis new article

Started new article on 1995 film Galaxis, help with expansion from secondary sources would be appreciated, or feel free to suggest some on the article's talk page.

Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

GA article discussion about Quote boxes

WP:GA article From The Doctor to my son Thomas had a couple quote boxes at time of promotion to GA quality.

Now there's a discussion about use of those quote boxes.

Please see discussion, at Talk:From_The_Doctor_to_my_son_Thomas#Quote_boxes.

Thank you,

— Cirt (talk) 03:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Literature Online Access

Hello all! At The Wikipedia Library we are currently in talks with Proquest's Literature Online and Early English Books Online to get Wikipedians access to those databases/collections. They asked us for a bit of information about how Wikipedians might use the research materials, asking us to do a brief survey. It would be extremely helpful if users could fill out the following Google form: Proquest - Literature Online / Wikipedia Library user interest survey. Afterward, while waiting for us to finish talks on Literature Online, we would like to invite editors to apply for already established available partnerships, listed at our partners page. Thank you for all of your help! Sadads (talk) 16:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:VG comments subpages cleanup

Hi, there is currently a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#VG comments subpages regarding whether it would be acceptable to permanently shift all comments subpages associated with WP:VG articles into talk. This shift would follow the recommended approach given at WP:DCS. The WikiProject Science Fiction articles that would be affected by this action are these:

• Descent (video game)

If you have objections related specifically to WikiProject Science Fiction's use of these subpages, please make this clear at the discussion so that other unrelated talk pages can be cleaned up where appropriate. Thank you. -Thibbs (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

RfC

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Alien (creature in Alien franchise)#RfC: "Alien" or "Xenomorph"? that you may be interested in. 11:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

The Fifth Element at FAC

The article for The Fifth Element, which is under the scope of this project, has been nominated for featured status for some time now. The only thing currently standing in the way of it being passed is that another user has requested it receive a reference check from someone who has experience with film referencing, so as to check whether the sources are reliable. If someone could give the article a reference check and then comment at the FAC nomination I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Freikorp (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Notice re: RFC: Are fictional characters people or objects?

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

There is an RfC concerning whether it is appropriate to use pronouns such as "he", "she", or "who" when referring to fictional characters in out-of-universe portions of articles. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#RFC: Are fictional characters people or objects? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

That discussion was closed and archived 22 October 2014 with capsule "... context and writing style determine which versions to use ...".

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 48#RFC: Are fictional characters people or objects?

--P64 (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

More eyes on Brandon Sanderson

We need more eyes on Brandon Sanderson. Thanks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2015

Hi there; this is just a quick note to let you all know that the 2015 WikiCup will begin on January 1st. The WikiCup is an annual competition to encourage high-quality contributions to Wikipedia by adding a little friendly competition to editing. At the time of writing, more than fifty users have signed up to take part in the competition; interested parties, no matter their level of experience or their editing interests, are warmly invited to sign up. Questions are welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Thanks! Miyagawa (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within at FAC

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, whch is under the scope of this project, has been nominated for featured status. See here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within/archive1. All comments on the nomination are welcome. Have a nice day. Freikorp (talk) 07:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Mind Meld

The article about Mind Meld, a film relating to William Shatner's and Leonard Nimoy's careers in science fiction, has an ongoing featured article candidacy here. Any constructive comments you would be willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 12:14, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Clone Wars (Star Wars) listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Clone Wars (Star Wars) to be moved to Clone Wars. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

BioShock listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for BioShock to be moved to BioShock (video game). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Ace Books FAR

I have nominated Ace Books for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Crispulop (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Tank Girl at FAC

Tank Girl (film), which is under the scope of this project, is currently listed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, see here. All comments are welcome. Freikorp (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

"H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds (film)"

The usage and primary topic of H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds (film) is under discussion, see Talk:H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds (2005 film) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 08:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. — Cirt (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

"Landfall"

The usage and primary topic of Landfall is under discussion, see talk:Landfall (meteorology) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars: Battlefront listed at Requested moves

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Importance ratings

User:Fixuture has in the last few days changed dozens of importance ratings in the WP:Science Fiction category. For the most part this looks like good work, however there are a few that I disagree with. Following the changes there are no top-importance science fiction authors, series, or individual works. IMHO, Jules Verne and H.G. Wells should be top importance because they are "the fathers of science fiction"; Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clarke should be top importance as "the big three"; and Star Wars and Star Trek should be top importance as the most famous film/television science fiction series (maybe The War of the Worlds or The War of the Worlds (radio drama)?). There may be others. Any thoughts?--Wikimedes (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, glad someone checked the changes. I'm not asserting that I'm infallible or something so it's good to hear other opinions on these. I intentionally moved all authors and individual works from top to high importance. That's because I think the larger patterns that span over many authors and individual works are more important than any of the works even if they were highly influential.

So a "Fathers of the science fiction genre"-article (History of science fiction is closest to that) would go to top with Arthur C. Clarke going to "high". Other WikiProjects have just 2 or 3 "Top" rated articles - usually the article of the same name as the WikiProject and some other article like the "History of {name of the WikiProject}" which might have split off the previously sole Top importance article.

There's also has another reason: removing authors and works from "Top" prevents people from adding what they find important authors and works in the genre, overbloating it, causing inconsistencies, unbalanced ratings etc. (it already had various mid-importance articles in there; it won't stop and doesn't have as clear lines as establishing the "high"-importance for those). For example I'd add Philip K. Dick to top if the authors which have been called "the big three" by some are going to be rated as such. And for works it's even more problematic (and yes there are many others). So I still think the "Top" importance rating should be reserved for articles related to the whole genre, not individual highly influential (to the genre and to popular culture) factors within science fiction - their significance in terms of shaping the genre and popularizing it should be detailed in articles such as "History of science fiction" or "Timeline of science fiction".

--Fixuture (talk) 16:19, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

That's certainly a reasonable approach, and the objective rating system is welcome. If there is a way to get some of the most influential individual authors, works, and series on the top-importance list without bloating the list with personal favorites, I would be in favor of it. Phillip K. Dick might well be on such a list and perhaps Larry Niven. In terms of individual works, probably Dune should be on the list, and perhaps Ringworld would make this list of top-importance works if Larry Niven didn't make the list of top-importance authors (even though The Integral Trees is my personal favorite by Larry Niven). I'm happy to leave your ratings in place until or unless there is consensus for expanding the top-importance list.--Wikimedes (talk) 17:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Commentary on sexist, misogynistic and/or anti-feminist feelings at Mad Max: Fury Road article

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Mad Max: Fury Road#Should commentary on sexist, misogynistic and/or anti-feminist feelings be included? A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 (talk) 00:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Genetic Engineering in Science Fiction

Any thoughts about [2]? --David Tornheim (talk) 07:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed Name Change: Genetic engineering in SciFi -> Genetic manipulation in SciFi

Please comment on the proposed name change of the title of the article Genetic engineering in science fiction proposed here. --David Tornheim (talk) 07:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Input on a draft

Greetings, all. I recently created a draft of All Flesh is Grass, by Clifford Simak; but in the process, I realized I had doubts about its notability. Any input would be appreciated; if it turns out not notable, I'd rather not move it into mainspace. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

There's a list of reviews of the book at the bottom of its ISFDB page which you might find useful. It's not covered in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature, but searching Google Books finds several critical works that appear to mention it, though since they're in snippet view some of them may just be listings of Simak's works. Hard to be sure without looking at some of these sources in more detail, but I suspect it just about makes it over the line. Personally I think it would be just as well to have a section in the article on Simak himself that discussed his work (along with a bibliography article to list publication details), until there's enough detail to justify a separate article; and even then an article like "Works of Clifford D. Simak" would make more sense if most of his work has had relatively little coverage. The book titles could simply redirect to that article until there's enough detail to break out the invidiual books. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Nebula nominee. From the period when newspaper reviews of hardcover SF novels were common. Even reviewed in Punch. Covered in book-length studies of Simak and in surveys of the field. Notable enough for a stand-alone article. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 14:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, both. I'm not sure how I missed the list of reviews, I've certainly used that list before for other articles. It's status as a Nebula nominee is what drew me to it in the first place, but I didn't feel like the nomination was sufficient by itself. In combination with the reviews, Hullaballoo, I think you're probably right; so I'll add some material from those, and then move it to mainspace. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, could you point me to the Punch review? I seem to be having some trouble finding it. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's the link I found,[3] which is just enough to show that Punch reviewed it, but not quite enough to get useful content from the review, unfortunately. The entire Punch archive was put online by Gale; I don't know what access Wikipedia has to it. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 17:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Ah well thanks anyhow. Just my bad luck, I suppose. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

"The X-Files (season 10)"

The usage and topic of The X-Files (season 10) is under discussion, see talk:The X-Files (miniseries) -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 05:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

"The X-Files Season 10"

The X-Files Season 10 has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:The X-Files Season 10 -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 05:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Russian science fiction awards has been nominated for discussion

Category:Russian science fiction awards, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for upmerging. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to our April event

You are invited...
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RfC notice: In-universe name details of fictional characters, in article leads

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: In-universe name details of fictional characters, in article leads (concerning fictional characters as article subjects generally).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  01:23, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise for peer review

I've listed The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise for peer review.

Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 23:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

A Princess of Mars

October, 2017, will mark the 100th anniversary of the publication of A Princess of Mars in book form. It would be a good time to have a featured article on the book, as some of us on Wikisource will be shooting to have the book featured that month as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I linked the article in your comment. I think this would be a great idea. The article is pretty good as it is, and would mostly need more references. Who wants to start a peer or good article review? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

If you think auto-assessment might benefit this project, consider discussing it with other members here. For more information or to request an auto-assessment run, please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess. This is a one-time message to alert projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles to this possibility. ~ Rob^Talk 01:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Weird Tales (anthology series) -> Weird Tales merger

I've proposed a merger of Weird Tales (anthology series) -> Weird Tales at the target talk page; please comment there if interested. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

ISFDB and Galactic Central

I've posted at the reliable sources noticeboard a question about two sources used frequently for science fiction articles: the ISFDB and Galactic Central. Please comment there if interested. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

The Wachowskis/Wachowski Brothers

In view of the inconsistency in regards to how the transgender Wachowskis are credited in film articles I have started a discussion at Talk:The Matrix Reloaded#The Wachowski credit in the lead in attempt to address the problem. Your project has a stated interest in at least one of the articles so please feel free to join the discussion if you would like to have your say or if you can offer a constructive solution to the issue. Betty Logan (talk) 02:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Discussing the renaming of the Star Trek Reboot series to the "Kelvin timeline series"

A discussion about renaming the Star Trek "reboot series" the "Kelvin timeline series" has been made at here. Please add your input. Oldag07 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Left Hand of Darkness at FAC

The Left Hand of Darkness, a novel considered to be of high importance to sf, is at FAC. The review page is here. Additional input would be welcomed. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

RfC on how to include information on the impact of a character's death at the The 100 (TV series) article

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:The 100 (TV series)#RfC: Should the article mention the national and/or iconic aspect of Lexa's impact?. If you don't mind being spoiled on the character death at hand, please take the time to assess the dispute and weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Deletion

There is a deletion discussion about a new page, The Klingon Way, please have a look and possibly add to the article. Thanks. Randy Kryn 17:22, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Influential pioneers in SF

In the {{Science fiction}} template, we have a list of influential pioneers:

• Mary Shelley
• Jules Verne
• H. G. Wells
• Edgar Rice Burroughs
• Robert A. Heinlein
• Arthur C. Clarke
• Isaac Asimov
• Ray Bradbury
• Frank Herbert
• Stanisław Lem
• Philip K. Dick
• Ursula K. Le Guin
• George Lucas

Do we want to add anyone else to the list? I figured it would be good to discuss this. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

• For example, I think Gene Roddenberry would be a good one to add. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
• And do we want to include more than just Western people? People like Yoshiyuki Tomino (creator of Gundam) may be good to add. Maybe Yasutaka Tsutsui, Ryō Hanmura, and Taku Mayumura? Adolfo Bioy Casares? Do we want to include some of the great SF artists? Perhaps John Berkey, Kazutaka Miyatake, Hannes Bok, David A. Cherry, Michael Whelan, Chesley Bonestell, Jack Kirby, Thomas Kidd, Ed Emshwiller, Hajime Sorayama, Frank Frazetta, Frank Kelly Freas, H. R. Giger, Stephen Youll, and Paul Youll, to name a few? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
• Also Osamu Tezuka‎. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Frankly, it would be better to just do away with that section of the template. The section was added only about three months ago, without any discussion that I can see. And the names that have been included thus far don't seem to conform to any particular set of criteria that I can determine, other than perhaps they are successful writers of SF (or George Lucas). This is not surprising, because "pioneer" is a vague term that can be used to justify the inclusion of almost anyone. I see on the template's Talk page that there had been discussion in the very early days about including individual works or authors. They wisely chose to not do so. This recent reversal of that decision adds nothing useful to the template, because anyone wanting to find lists of "pioneers" can do so in the articles on the history of the genre. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
    • @NewYorkActuary: Hmm...I disagree. I think it is (and could be) a useful section, but I think we need to have consensus on who should be in it so it doesn't bloat into craziness. I think the current entries are acceptable, though I think it ought to be less US- and UK-centric, and ought to include more than just authors. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

      I think it's going to be hard to make this a useful section. The goal of a navbox like this is quick access to key articles; if it gets too large it doesn't assist the reader. There are very few names that every single history of sf is going to agree on -- Wells, Verne, Gernsback. Maybe Campbell and Gold if you extend "pioneer" to mean "innovator" too. And do we limit it to genre sf or everything science-fictional? In which case the field of candidates would broaden considerably. I think it should probably go. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

      • That's the whole point of having a discussion: to make sure the section is useful. I think the existing entries are totally appropriate. I brought it up here because I wanted to make sure we weren't forgetting people who should be there. There are certain people (as you mentioned) that should be mentioned in such a template, and so I think it's important to have a consensus on who those people are. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 14:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

        Well, I'm not convinced it's a good section, but if we're going to discuss it I think we need to define what the section would include, before picking names. I think "pioneer" could refer to proto-sf, in which cause it would focus on names like Verne and Wells, and perhaps theme entries such as future war and scientific romance; U.S. genre sf (Gernsback, Campbell, Gold as editors, maybe Hamilton, E.E. Smith, Williamson, Leinster as writers); pioneers in the sense of people who started a new trend or subgenre (that would be a huge list); or international pioneers (another huge list, and probably harder to source). The current list seems to be none of the above; it's a list of some influential and/or famous writers, plus George Lucas. What do you see as the goal of such a section? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:20, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

      • • • • I see it more as a list of authors, editors, and artists who have made a significant impact in the field. Perhaps both a "pioneers" section and an "influential figures" might be good. List people up to about the time period of Wells/Verne/Burroughs in the pioneers section, and then other influential people in the other one. I think we should try to include a broad rang of people, while also not letting it get too large. That's why discussing it is a good idea: to have a discussion to point to if people want to add more. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
• P.S. User:Nihonjoe, I just saw that your notification at the ProjectNovel's SF task force sends interested editors over to the Talk page for the template, even though you started the discussion here on this page. Wasn't sure where you really intended to have the discussion, so I didn't change anything. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:12, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for catching that. I fixed the link. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
• I'd like to remove George Lucas from the list: he wasn't that influential on science fiction and if you add him you'd need to add quite a count of other people who were more influential than him. He isn't that involved in science fiction either besides making the Star Wars films (which some don't even consider core science fiction but science fantasy btw.; he's a big film producer who also makes big science fiction films and not a science fiction filmmaker). Imo we should keep this list short and constrain its entries to people who really pioneered new types of science fiction and didn't just create some specific popular science fiction work like Star Trek, Star Wars, The Terminator or whatever.

I'd also like to remove Edgar Rice Burroughs from the list - I'm not sure why he's on there in the first place? He's known for Tarzan which isn't science fiction and John Carter of Mars which wasn't that impactful on the genre (and again is a single popular work; not even that popular in this case btw.).

I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to add William Gibson instead for pioneering cyberpunk? I'm not sure about it as he was only one of many (the one with the largest impact by far though) who pioneered that subgenre/subculture and might get too much attribution for it(?)

--Fixuture (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

• Burroughs should stay for sure (those who don't think so should study his influence and may change their minds, especially read the Bradbury comments on Burroughs and his influence). "Pioneers" means people who did things first and influentially, so Roddenberry seems to fit the section. I think it's a good section, and both informative and interesting. It shouldn't be too long, but room for a few more names that are generally agreed to be major influences. And yes, if it's going to be a tight list, probably Lucas should go, and no artists because unless it goes back to people like William Blake and others - pioneering science fiction seems to define the fiction and not the artistic realm. Randy Kryn 11:28, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
  • @Randy Kryn: I admit that I'm not sufficiently informed about Burroughs' work & influence - I still have some doubt about his influence but it's all up to you whether or not to include him in the list. Concerning Lucas I just removed him off the list and request consensus here to add him back. For the addition of Gibson we could hold a vote - not sure if I should create a new subsection for that here? For a short description of his influence see: this.

--Fixuture (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

How about John W. Campbell, Jr. and Hugo Gernsback, true pioneers in the field. Too bad about Lucas, but he probably came just a little bit late and was active in mining an already mined field (see E. E. "Doc" Smith, another potential for the list?) to be labeled a 'pioneer', although in two hundred years maybe he'll be looked on as one. Randy Kryn 13:32, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

...then we've got the question of Georges Méliès, where to place him? How about a three-tiered subsection to 'Influential pioneers' to be named something like 'Writers', 'Artists', and 'Production' (with Roddenberry, Campbell, and Gernsback, in Production?). A way to add more entries, but hopefully not too many more. I guess I'll advocate for E. E. Doc Smith, who has an argument or two in his favor. A three-tiered section would also draw the readers eye to it, and create interest in names they haven't heard about. Randy Kryn 14:52, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

• Observation. And thus it begins. Even amongst the intelligent and well-intentioned discussants, we have no clear idea as to what a "pioneer" is, let alone who qualifies as one. Nor is there any clear idea as to what makes a person "influential". This in itself ought to be sending up "red flags", because it's telling us that this section is never going to meet the general NavBox purpose of providing an aid to navigation around a well-defined group of articles. The notion of "influential pioneer" will never be well-defined and this section (or shall it be several sections?) will serve only to suggest that there are some science-fiction practitioners who are more important than others. It will be inherently and unavoidably point-of-view-ish.

Before posting this, I went over to the article on the History of Science Fiction and, starting with the section on the 19th century, counted something on the order of 60 blue-linked names. And this was without clicking through to the "main articles" appearing in several of the article's sections. Is it the intention here to simply repeat every name that appears in that History article? If so, what's the point? If not, how are you going to decide that someone whose work got them a mention in the History article doesn't merit an entry in the NavBox?

Perhaps the supporters have answers to these questions. If so, I'd like to hear them. I'd also like to learn just how many names are intended to be added here. 20? 50? 100? 200? Will there be any attempt to ensure that these names cover a representative cross-sample of sub-genres, countries of origin, historical eras, media and gender? And most basic of all, would someone please state a concise definition of "influential pioneer", along with some objective criteria that might be used to test whether a person meets it? NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2016 (UTC) with minor revision by NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

@NewYorkActuary, Randy Kryn, and Fixuture: Just making sure those who participated above are notified. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

RfC to decide things

Per WP:IAR (since I participated), I'm closing this RFC as deciding to remove the "Influential pioneer" section from Template:Science fiction due to difficulty in objectively determining who should be in it. That seems to very clearly be the decision here. Thank you to everyone who participated. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:04, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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So, in order to come to a consensus, let's discuss each one individually. The question to be answered here is "Who is considered an 'influential pioneer' in the field of science fiction?" The first three sections are to determine if we should keep the section or remove it, and then if we keep it, what subsections it should be divided into and the limit on the number of entries that should be in each section.···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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Should we keep the section?

Please indicate whether you think we should Keep or Remove the "Influential pioneers" section. This part is a straight up or down vote.

• Keep ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. Navboxes are for quick navigation, and work best with clear definitions for their contents that make it easy to decide what to include. This section would be no easier to fill than an "Important writers" category would be for literature in general. I think we do our readers more of a service by cutting it out and letting them find the links through categories, lists of award-winning authors, or articles about the history of sf or about sf themes. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:10, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. I found this listed on the RfC page. As much as I love science fiction, and have my own personal list in my head as to who's been influential in the genre, it's exactly that, a personal opinion. I'm not an expert, and Wikipedia doesn't care about my personal opinions, which is fair enough. The above discussion seems to be a bunch of people saying 'I think so and so is influential', which unless I've misunderstood some of the basic policies, everything that appears needs to be have secondary sources (apart from self evident truths). Even if inclusion criteria can be defined (relating to sources), it's poses a problem for the reader because it won't be obvious in a navbox what that criteria is. In anycase, we shouldn't be defining people as influential ourselves. Scribolt (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Scribolt: The problem being that references are never used in templates. I am fine if we go by those who have references stating they are influential, but those references will have to be in the articles for those included, not in the template. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
    • @Nihonjoe: Thanks for the reply. I appreciate that there aren't any references in the template itself, so that's why I favour Mike Christie's approach to the template for matters such as 'influentialness' (not that that's a word) which aren't self-evident or easily verified by the reader. Scribolt (talk) 06:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. WP:NAVBOX suggests that "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles". "Influential pioneers of science fiction" is certainly not well-defined, and in at least some possible interpretations of that phrase is not small either. The decision over which SF authors are sufficiently influential and pioneering are inherently WP:POV (unless someone wants to put forward a well-known list of influential pioneers of science fiction from a reliable source for us to copy). The amount of time likely to be spent on debating whether X or Y ought to be in the navbox (both now and in the future) seems like it will massively outweigh any benefit of the category. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:52, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. The reasons put forth in the above 3 remove votes cover it pretty well.--Wikimedes (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. For the reasons above as well as NewYorkActuary's comment in the previous section. --In response to RfC John, AF4JM (talk) 13:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove per Scribolt. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. I won't repeat the observations from my posting of August 6, but I continue to stand by them. Here, I'll just expand on a point raised by Caeciliusinhorto, regarding the likelihood of having on-going debates over the inclusion of names. We have already had such a "debate", via the edit warring that took place about two months ago (it can be seen by walking through the diffs starting here). Because this section is inherently point-of-view-ish, it will never be stable. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. I agree with an earlier comment that the template should be free from names of actual people of works. Such a section can only have relaxed limits and become too large to be of actual use (in a navbox that is already large even without the section), or have strict limits which can only be arbitrary and made on the fly. Cambalachero (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
• Remove. Agree with above. A link to List of science fiction authors and/or other relevant pages about Sci-Fi authors should be included though. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I've been holding off commenting here for a while, because I'm rather torn. On the one hand, it really would be a useful item to have: on the other hand it's near impossible to avoid the twin pitfalls of cultural bias and subjective assessments of impact. The only way I can see around these problems is to use a "consensus version" of lists of influential people that other sources have published: but until I've been able to find and/or see evidence that this is actually practical, I'm going to have to go with remove. Vanamonde (talk) 03:09, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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If kept, what subsections should we have?

Please indicate Support or Oppose for any subsections you think we should have.

Artists

• Support ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Production: This would be people involved in the productions of science fiction who are not the authors or artists (editors, directors, etc.)

• Support ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Writers

• Support ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

No subsections

Other comments

• You can leave additional comments indented here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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If kept, what should be the limit on how many entries appear in each section?

Please indicate support under the appropriate number below:

Fifteen (15)

Twenty (20)

• Support ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Twenty-five (25)

Fifty (50)

One hundred (100)

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Who should be in the above section(s)?

Please indicate your Support or Oppose opinion in each section below, and please include your reason(s) why you think that person should or should not be included in the template as an "influential pioneer". The list only includes those mentioned in the discussion above. For any other people, we can discuss them separately after this RfC is concluded. The people are listed alphabetically by surname.

Isaac Asimov

• Support due to having a huge impact on the field, even after his death. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support - the number of sci-fi notables who have cited Asimov as a personal influence is immense, with plenty of material covering his impact overall on the genre overall. Yvarta (talk) 13:50, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support The undisputed grandmaster of sci-fi. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

John Berkey

• Support as one of the most well-known science fiction cover artists of all time. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hannes Bok

Chesley Bonestell

• Support as the namesake of the Chesley Awards. His space art had a huge impact on many famous science fiction authors such as Berkey. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Ray Bradbury

• Support, even though he doesn't like to be called a science fiction author. He's had a huge impact one many, many authors and artists over the years. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose - Bradbury is of course influential - but where do we draw the line? There are many other writers just as influential as him, who like Bradbury, only focused on the science fiction genre to a small degree, or didn't consider themselves science fiction authors. Is there a reason Bradbury makes the cut and others don't? If the sourcing overwhelmingly made it clear that his influence could be ignored only at the expense of accuracy, then I might support. But there are so many important, pivotal moments in science fiction, that I don't think we can get away to referring to authors (at least in this limited section) who have only contributed in one instance. Exceptions I would argue include Shelley, but she was writing science fiction before it even really existed as a concept - so the influence there is more glaring and unique. Yvarta (talk) 14:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support The ABC's of sci-fi: Asimov, Bradbury, and Clarke. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Edgar Rice Burroughs

• Support as someone who has influenced the field for over 100 years. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

John W. Campbell

• Support as one of the most influential editors of all time in the field. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Adolfo Bioy Casares

• Support as a very influential Argentinian author. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

David A. Cherry

Arthur C. Clarke

• Support as an author who helped define hard science fiction. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support Chris Troutman (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Philip K. Dick

• Support as an author who had a huge impact through his short and long works. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Ed Emshwiller

Frank Frazetta

• Support as one of the most prolific and influential artists in the field. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Frank Kelly Freas

• Support as one of the most prolific and influential artists in the field. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hugo Gernsback

• Support as one of the most influential editors in the field and the inspiration for the Hugo Awards. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

William Gibson

H. R. Giger

• Support, even though I'm not a fan of his works, he has had a huge impact on science fiction art. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

H. L. Gold

• Support as one of the most influential editors in the 1930s-1960s. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Edmond Hamilton

Ryō Hanmura

Robert A. Heinlein

• Support for so many reasons I can't list them all here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Frank Herbert

• Support as the creator of Dune, which has had a huge impact on science fiction as a whole. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Thomas Kidd

• Support as one of the most well-known and influential science fiction illustrators. Has produced notable works for over 30 years. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Jack Kirby

• Support as the creator of many science fiction comics that are still running today, many of which have been made into films, television series, games, and adapted to novel form. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Ursula K. Le Guin

• Support. Has had a huge impact on the genre in all kinds of areas. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support - her intro read "In 2016, The New York Times described her as "America's greatest living science fiction writer".[2]" Yvarta (talk) 13:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Murray Leinster

• Support due to his huge impact on science fiction as well as being the inventor of a process used in special effects (and therefore in many science fiction films). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Stanisław Lem

• Support as he is considered one of the most widely-read science fiction authors in the world. He is often compared to H. G. Wells regarding his impact. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

George Lucas

• Absolutely not. I believe the team behind the original Star Wars has been a massive influence, much like Gene Roddenberry. But credit for Star Wars can not be given to Lucas - remember, Lucas originally just wanted to make a Flash Gordon movie, which over time turned into A New Hope. I can see Timothy Zahn perhaps passing as "notable to sci-fi," as he was arguably the Big Mind behind the narrative. And from the visual/aural perspective, credit could also be given I suppose to the effects team and the sound engineer Ben Burtt - in those cases, the sourcing explicitly can draw a line between their contributions and how popular Hollywood sci-fi was impacted on a large scale. But no. Lucas should be listed as an influence on Hollywood somewhere else, for example for influencing how franchises market themselves and the tech impact of Lucas Films (THX, etc.). I would argue Lucas might be included because he helped write THX 1138 with his classmates, but that's another case of a group project that shouldn't be attributed solely, or even largely in my readings of things, to Lucas. Yvarta (talk) 13:49, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose You can't call space-opera "sci-fi" Chris Troutman (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Taku Mayumura

Georges Méliès

• Support - it is good to get a filmmaker in there among the writers, and it is hard to argue he isn't one of the first and most important. Yvarta (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Kazutaka Miyatake

Gene Roddenberry

• Support as the creator of Star Trek, which has had a huge impact worldwide, even outside of science fiction. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support as one of the most widely cited futurists and sci-fi writers, with a massive impact on popular media as well. Sources back this without question. Yvarta (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose as pointless as including Lucas. He helped design a space-western which isn't sci-fi. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Mary Shelley

• Support as the author of Frankenstein. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support as a widely-cited influence on modern "bio-horror" sci-fi, among other influences she had on the genre. Easy as pie to find sourcing for this. Yvarta (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

E. E. Smith

• Support as the creator of the Lensman and Skylark series, both of which basically started the space opera subgenre. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hajime Sorayama

Osamu Tezuka‎

• Support as the creator of Astro Boy. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Disagree- If there is the conclusion that Astro Boy is Extremely Important to Science Fiction, then I might support including Tezuka in this situation. However, Astro Boy is really Tezuka's only foray into science fiction, and he s generally more interested in other genres, i.e. fantasy - and even though Astroboy is an early mech, you could argue that the character is more an homage to Superman than anything science fiction (although the original Superman short films were of course hugely influential on science fiction, giving us some of our earliest evil mech armies - and I suppose you could argue Superman is more scifi than fantasy.). But I believe if we are going to shortlist Japanese science fiction writers, it would make sense to focus on writers that seemed more explicitly focused on and aware of science fiction as a genre. Yvarta (talk) 14:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Astro Boy was absolutely not his "only foray into science fiction". He had quite a number of them, including Phoenix, Birdman Anthology, Alabaster, The Amazing 3, The Book of Human Insects, Captain Ken, Ambassador Magma, Apollo's Song, and Big X. Probably half of his manga output was science fiction. Even Black Jack could be considered "light science fiction" given some of the amazing surgery techniques described and shown in it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I forgot about all that robot stuff among his weird fantasy and sexcapades. I still don't personally associate "sci-fi" as his main thing, just a recurring trope, but then everything he made seems to have been massively influential in some way, so I'd look like a tool if I argued against his inclusion overall. Yvarta (talk) 03:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Yoshiyuki Tomino

• Support as the creator of Mobile Suit Gundam, the beginning of the mainstream giant robot subgenre. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Yasutaka Tsutsui

• Support has had a huge impact on Japanese science fiction, and his works are starting to have an impact worldwide. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Jules Verne

• Support for obvious reasons. Huge impact worldwide, even outside science fiction. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

H. G. Wells

• Support for obvious reasons. His work has had an enormous impact worldwide. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Michael Whelan

• Support because his artwork has had a huge impact for over 40 years. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Jack Williamson

• Support as the "Dean of Science Fiction". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Paul Youll

Stephen Youll

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Sci fi video games

Do science fiction video games fall under the purview of this WikiProject? --Odie5533 (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, though they also fall under WP:VG. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen in my banner-tagging for the project (using the rater gadget) science fiction video games are the articles missing the banner most of the times. I think it would be a good idea to add the banner automatically (or preferably semi-automatically) to all entries in Category:Science fiction video games. Does somebody know how to do that? --Fixuture (talk) 22:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Ask at WP:BOTREQ. Or use WP:AWB or something similar. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Ursula Le Guin template

I would appreciate any and all input on this discussion, about which works to include in the template of the author's works. Vanamonde (talk) 14:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Elgin Awards

There's a draft at AfC for the SFPA's Elgin Awards, might need help with sourcing to get past the notability bar. I'm sure any knowledgable assistance would be welcomed. Best, --joe decker^talk 18:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Battlestar Galactica

FYI Cylon B (talk · contribs) has initiated deletion or merger requests for the majority of the Battlestar Galactica articles -- 65.94.168.229 (talk) 06:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984

It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! —PermStrump(talk) 03:50, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Utah SF/F writers and works competition

Hi WikiProject SF, I'm hosting a Wikipedia writing contest for new and improved pages for Utah SF/F writers and their works. You're welcome to join us and participate via the linked contest page. Let me know if you have any questions. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Article Philosophy of Ghost in the Shell

Could someone else have a look at this article and see if they agree this should be deleted? This article is basically an essay with no references. I don't know how to nominate for deletion speedy or otherwise, and would not mind learning how either if anyone is kind of enough to advise me. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 17:35, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I doubt that you could get this speedily deleted. And given the recent activity on the article, a proposed deletion would probably be declined. I think your best approach is a deletion nomination, the instructions for which are at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Nominating article(s) for deletion. NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Science fiction subgenre drafts

Please contribute to these article drafts Maritime science fiction and List of maritime science fiction works--Taeyebar 23:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Be aware Maritime science fiction was deleted

by consensus last year, along with List of maritime science fiction works and the category. Consensus was Maritime science fiction is a setting, not a genre, and there is no academic coverage of it as such. - Gothicfilm (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

These attempts to recreate articles deleted after a deletion discussion have been speedily deleted under category G4. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Though, to be fair, they were deleted almost a year ago. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:44, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article review/Firefly (TV series)/archive1

Hello, members. I created Wikipedia:Featured article review/Firefly (TV series)/archive1 regarding the FA status of Firefly (TV series). Those interested are welcome to join the review and/or improve the article. --George Ho (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Now the article is a candidate to become a former Featured Article with a broken star icon. Please comment there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 08:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Star Wars at GAR

A GAR was opened up for Star Wars a month ago, and it's starting to garner comments. Lately, the article has been having issues with structure, length, disputes over the best way to summarize the elements. Due to the importance of the article, and some budding disagreement about the best way to address its issues, more eyes would be appreciated. The GAR is at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Star Wars/1. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Starship Troopers at FAC

Greetings, folks. I've nominated Starship Troopers at FAC, where I hope to bring it back to the FA status it had a long while back. Comments would be welcome. The review page is here. Vanamonde (talk) 16:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Leanne C. Harper

This BLP stub shall be deleted in seven days unless somebody here rescues it. Bearian (talk) 21:13, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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Voyage: Inspired by Jules Verne's FAR

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Galaxy Science Fiction opinions requested

Galaxy Science Fiction is scheduled to be today's featured article soon, and there is a discussion on the talk page about a recent edit that would benefit from more opinions. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:44, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft help requested

There is a draft that falls within this projects purview that could use some assistance with the content and editing. The discussion can be found here. Thank you for your input. Primefac (talk) 17:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

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Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 18:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction#Requested move 29 December 2017, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a decision can be made. Thank you and Happy New Year to All!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  06:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Binary stars in fiction

I did some work to clear unnecessary material from the article Binary stars in fiction. (diff) I suggest now clearing fancruft/OR as well as going through the related articles (particularly the obnoxiously hard-to-follow Black holes in fiction). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:49, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Science Fiction Article

Some of us are doing changes to the science fiction article to try and bump it up to B Class and make it more approachable for a general reader. To save later reverts to be in line with the Wikiproject your input is welcome Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 06:37, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

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RFC at Guardians of the Galaxy (film)

There’s an RFC at Guardians of the Galaxy (film) that could use some more eyes. —AdamF in MO (talk) 18:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Featured article nomination for San Junipero

I have nominated "San Junipero", an episode of sci-fi anthology series Black Mirror, for featured article status. Editors familiar with the featured article criteria are welcome to review the article here. Thank you. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 02:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Wormholes in fiction

I've started working my way through Wormholes in fiction trying to find sources for everything. It's a total mess of WP:OR. Would love some help. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

World Science Fiction Convention

Why in every edition of Template:World Science Fiction Convention, the infobox uses "first" (Inaugurated) instead of "dates" (Dates)? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 12:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Superman FA review

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Cleanup of incoming links to Pocket universe

I note that Pocket universe is no longer within the scope of this project since the fiction-related content was removed in August 2017 (as "pop culture trivia"); the remaining content is exclusively about real-world cosmological inflation. However, many fiction-related topics, presumably mostly within the science-fiction genre, still link here despite the fact that there is no more fiction-related content. What shall be done with these links? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:08, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: WikiProject Comics has also been notified. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:13, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

EDIT 2: An RFC has been opened at the article's talk page. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Article about Fastest fictional space ships

Hello. I'm working on an article about Fastest fictional space ships.

I road once these blog post Fastest Ship in the Universe: How Sci-Fi Ships Stack Up and thought this would be a create wiki article.

My question is now is this article relevant for wikipedia? I could also need some help because I'm an Gater an from the other franchise I don't have enough knowledge. (Feel free to edit)

Is the title good or is it more a list and i should name it "List of..."?--Malo95 (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Malo95: Blogs are generally not acceptable as reliable sources. If the only sources you have are those blogs, it's likely the article will be deleted. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: For the Stargate speeds I looked at the Stargate Wiki. This is a reason we asked for help to search better sources. But what do you think is the article/list in general relevant enough for wikipedia?--Malo95 (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Malo95: Who is "we" (in your comment "...we asked for help...")? Unless you can find enough reliable sources to verify the notability of the topic, it is not going to be a viable article. The Stargate wiki (or any wiki, for that matter) is not an acceptable source. Additionally, a stargate is not a ship, so it shouldn't be included in the article regardless. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Since all these speeds are "in-universe", there can by definition be no reliable sources for such claims. This strikes me as incredibly non-encyclopedic content. I would suggest you host it on your own blog or publish it in your own fanzine; it has no place here. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. I will stop work on these. @Nihonjoe: the "we" was a mistake I wanted to write "Why I...". And I now a Stargate is not a ship but in the franchise are many space ships and they are really fast. ;-)--Malo95 (talk) 06:49, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Blog spam

We seem to have a problem with a fan blog being used all over the alien Predator franchise pages... avpgalaxy.net. should we get a bot to help fix this?--Moxy (talk) 17:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I ask once more, what exactly is the problem? - TurokSwe (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

As linked on your user page.....we don't use fan blogs as sources...... I see you're unaware of this so I moved the conversation to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Blog spam so others can explain.--Moxy (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Still, AVPGalaxy is still a recognized and trusted source of news in regards to the Alien/Predator franchise and has been for a long time and repeatedly referenced, and the information contained within its articles isn't even disputable. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

The fact you belive a fan blog is reliable is why I moved this to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Blog spam.--Moxy (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I still don't see the problem. You referring to it as a "fan blog" doesn't negate its good quality and reputation. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Noting that I have added more articles covering the news. Just to put your mind at ease. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Request for Comment - Crediting The Wachowskis

Hi! How should we credit the Wachowskis on work before they came out as women? Please give us your input and help us decide. WanderingWanda (talk) 07:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Just a few days left on this RfC and opinions remain sharply divided. Have any insight into this issue or good conflict resolution skills? Your input could be very valuable. WanderingWanda (talk) 05:53, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

AfD on comics publisher needs attention from independent editors

The AfD on Rick Norwood (a mathematician and comics publisher) has drawn attention from editors who personally know him due to a Facebook post by the subject Rick Norwood (talk · contribs) (courtesy ping). Any reviews from independent editors would be greatly appreciated. — MarkH21 (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Similarly, this AfD on the actual publishing company and this AfD about a comic artist have been similarly affected. — MarkH21 (talk) 00:33, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I asked for help in the form of citations of reliable sources which have reviewed or commented on my work. MarkH21 has informed me that this is against Wikipedia policy. I've been editing Wikipedia for 14 years, and had not come across this rule before, but I apologize for breaking it, and will heed MarkH21's advice. Rick Norwood (talk) 01:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Battlestar Galactica for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Battlestar Galactica is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Battlestar Galactica (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:The X-Files for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:The X-Files is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:The X-Files until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Futurama for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Futurama is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Futurama (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

There is a requested move at Talk:The Culture (series) that would benefit from your opinion. Please come and help! Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there  09:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

New list

See List of Japanese speculative fiction writers. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:09, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Now recruiting

I'm looking for participants for a possible new wikiproject H. P. Lovecraft, to tag and improve articles relating to the horror writer.--Auric talk 09:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek planets (A–B)

All of the Star Trek planet list pages are just about to be deleted, and I've objected to any close without a relisting because the Star Trek wikiproject and this wikiproject were not notified and the creator of the articles aside from 'A-B' was not notified. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Turn some inactive child WikiProjects into a Taskforce?

WikiProject Science Fiction has some inactive TV-show specific child WikiProjects. I invite editors to join the discussion at WP:WikiProject Television to convert those (NOT this parent WikiProject) into taskforces. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Hatnote for Isaac Asimov's pseudonym

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Hatnote for Isaac Asimov's pseudonym and comment there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Mistborn titles?

Why do all the Mistborn books have Mistborn in their titles? Except for the first one, they don't look like this on the cover and just say something like "book x of Mistborn" or "a Mistborn novel" (see File:The Hero of Ages - Book Three of Mistborn.png and File:MistbornShadowsOfSelfCover.jpg). Is there a reason that all of these books' articles have "Mistborn:" appended onto their titles? The names are unique enough that this seems unnecessary if it's not a manual of style rule. DemonDays64 (talk) 18:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Several sci-fi templates

Please join the discussion in Template talk:Science fiction#Several sci-fi templates. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:08, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

List of fictional counties up for deletion

• Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
• List of fictional counties (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional counties (3rd nomination)

I've added some sources. More are out there. Important literary device. Important list for some of our readers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Rfc on Talk:Guardians of the Galaxy (film)

Please opine about whether the original creators of the comic book work should be cited/credited in the infobox of the film. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 01:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Mundane science fiction discussion

Please come participate in the discussion regarding mundane science fiction and whether there is enough to support a separate article: Talk:Mundane science fiction#Unbalanced. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:37, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Arthur Porges

This article needs fixing quickly, or risks being deleted. Bearian (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems potentially notable, has a substantial entry here, and odds are he meets NAUTHOR, I think. I don't have the time to fix this at present though. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020

Quatermass and the Pit is the oldest unreviewed featured article—last reviewed in 2004. It still looks good to me, but I don't watch TV at all, much less British TV or science fiction. Please provide feedback at Talk:Quatermass and the Pit#WP:URFA/2020. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Various articles listed in Group mind (science fiction) that do not seem notable

I am going through the list in Group Mind (science fiction) and have noticed a number of articles linked to in the list do not appear to be notable. I am tagging them with the notability template as I go and I intend to go back and WP:PROD them. I am giving people notice to go to articles to see if they can find references for them. Here is the list of articles that I fear are not notable. (Please note that I will be expanding this list).

• The Draco Tavern (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - search: (
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• Destiny's Children (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - search: (
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~ El D. (talk to me) 12:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Jody Lee

This stub about an illustrator has been tagged for nine years. Please, let's fix it, or nominate for deletion. Ping ne with any updates. Bearian (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

2020 in science fiction

I found this draft DRAFT:2020 in science fiction; it was rejected as TOOSOON in 2019. As 2020 has already passed, someone might want to see if this is salvageable -- 65.93.183.33 (talk) 04:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

DS9 disagreement

Another editor wants to characterize the Female Changeling as a "spokesperson". I think that is too inadequate to describe her role and power. We're currently deadlocked, so other opinions are solicited. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:57, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Cyberpunk (role-playing game)

In the last 12 months we've reorganised the article for "Cyberpunk (role-playing game)", originally called "Cyberpunk 2020". The general layout now better matches the articles for other tabletop role-playing games, and we've added citations to secondary sources. We cover all four editions of the game, up to the new edition Cyberpunk Red, and describe its relationship to the video game Cyberpunk 2077. Any thoughts on how the article could be improved would be appreciated please. Thanks. Hexene (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Name spacing discussion

Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:R. R. Virdi#Spacing in name. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 15:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

No categories for Locus Awards

I just noticed there are no categories for the Locus awards unlike Hugo and Nebula. Do we think this is a miss?

• Category:Lists of Locus Award winners vs.
• Category:Hugo Award for Best Novel-winning works , etc. —¿philoserf? (talk) 17:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Philoserf They were deleted in this CfD. The OP portrayed the Locus awards as a prediction contest for the Hugos – which isn't true.

But still, I'm not sure if they satisfy the OCAWARD guideline mentioned in the CfD, which says the award has to be a "defining characteristic" of its recipients. The SFE says the Locus awards share the stature of the Hugos and Nebulas – is that enough? Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)