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Shahram Mahmoudi

Please check the langauge.Xx236 (talk) 08:02, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/46.245.27.149

Hi, I'm not expert in matters about Volleyball, but there is a suspicious pattern surrounding today's unreferenced edits by ip 46.245.27.149 which I found via Recent Changes. Suggest someone who does understand these matters might want to cast eyes in that general direction and revert if required. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Just updating teams and clubs. Not a big deal. --Osplace 22:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but I couldn't find any reliable sources for the moves, which all appeared to be to a single Iranian club. Still, if you guys think it's all kosher I won't worry about it anymore. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 20:13, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Notability criteria discussion ongoing

A discussion started in the Notability project page. Please join the discussion. --Osplace 14:11, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Under age national teams

In the recent past we had a previous agreement of not having under age teams at all. Some articles were created and deleted:

• Turkey women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Peru women's youth volleyball team
• Iran men's national under-19 volleyball team, Iran men's national under-21 volleyball team and Thailand women's national under-20 volleyball team

Now Gobantini (talk · contribs · logs) and Elly mino (talk · contribs · logs) have created such articles, even created this templates Template:Vbwu/doc, Template:Vbwu-big,Template:Women's U23 CEV teams, Template:Women's U20 CEV teams and Template:Women's U18 CEV teams. DariaPolonia (talk · contribs · logs) also contributed with such articles. Are we going to change our policy and create such articles or we should nominate this for deletion:

• Brazil men's national under-23 volleyball team
• Brazil women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Brazil women's national under-20 volleyball team
• Brazil women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Bulgaria women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Bulgaria women's national under-20 volleyball team
• Bulgaria women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Dominican Republic women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Dominican Republic women's national under-20 volleyball team
• Dominican Republic women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Germany women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Germany women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Italy men's national under-23 volleyball team
• Italy women's national under-18 volleyball team

• Italy women's national under-20 volleyball team
• Italy women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Netherlands women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Poland men's national under-19 volleyball team
• Poland men's national under-21 volleyball team
• Russia women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Russia women's national under-20 volleyball team
• Russia women's national under-23 volleyball team
• Serbia women's national under-18 volleyball team
• Serbia women's national under-20 volleyball team
• United States women's national under-18 volleyball team
• United States women's national under-20 volleyball team
• United States women's national under-23 volleyball team

We should establish a definitive policy about this. Thank you for your comments. --Osplace 13:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Good point. So the question is, are the teams notable. So I would say if (many of the) under-age teams have significant coverage in reliable sources we should keep them. So I put up the question: are there news sources with articles about these teams? Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 14:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Comparation, To compare it with other wiki's, the Italian Wikipedia has also quite some junior teams: see here for men's (4 in 4 age categories) and here for women's (18 in 4 age categories). In the English Wikipedia other sports have also pages of youth teams, see Category:National youth sports teams. Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 14:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

This is not Italian Wikipedia. There is a lot of differences from one Wikiproject to another, please do not recall that. Keep focus. --Osplace 18:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

• Elly mino

Hi, Guys and thank you for the notes when I created this volleyball under age pages my goal is to introduce these to the readers that ignore about it and I know it still nead developement and work of course because it is new, I add some sources to the pages that can give more informations, I think Volleyball under age pages are consistent and regular better than the past that was inconsistent you cant see example for past pages like : Peru women's youth national volleyball team and then turkey women's national under-18 volleyball team that was totaly inconsistent. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elly mino (talk • contribs) 11:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

We are not discussing about consistency or development. We had agree no under ages teams and all those created were deleted. Our discussion focus whether or not having such articles. --Osplace 18:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Since there is not a new agreement the previous one must be kept. --Osplace 03:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

We now have a deletion discussion about all those articles. --Osplace 04:23, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Sadly the deletion discussion ended up in no consensus. --Osplace 02:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Request for help with template deletion discussion

A number of volleyball-related templates were recently marked for speedy deletion and then deleted, breaking a few dozen templates and articles. I looked through this page but did not find a relevant discussion that led to this deletion. Can someone from this project please shed some light on the problem at this discussion? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:01, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Discussion about Filipino template was addressed appropriately, and was not undeleted. --Osplace 18:03, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Some of the templates are still transcluded. See this and this and this. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:26, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

They were all taken to WP:TFD. Should be deleted soon. --Osplace 23:29, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Turkey squad - 2011 Women's European Championship

Hi, everyone. There is a big difference between Template:Turkey women's championship Squad 2011 and Template:Turkey women volleyball team 2011 European Championship. Could you confirm the truth? Sawol (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Turkey women's championship Squad 2011 is unused and should probably be deleted. The other one looks close to this source. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

16,000 BLPs moving out of mainspace

Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.

So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.

This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 11:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Auto-tagging of selected volleyball-related talk pages

Hi. A while back (April 2016), I completed a tagging run of certain articles to better categorize various articles (mostly biographies) as under the scope of this project. I've been going through old tasks and performing additional runs as needed. Would this project be interested in me tagging all articles in the following categories? The major benefit of this is ensuring that project members will be aware if any of this content is nominated for deletion via AALERTS (if it's set up - if not, you should set it up). It can also help you find content to expand. The relevant bot approval is Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BU RoBOT 13, and the list of categories I believe the project would benefit from a tagging run on are:

• Category:Volleyball players (including all subcats)
• Category:Volleyball templates (including all subcats)
• Category:Volleyball coaches (including all subcats)
• Category:Volleyball competitions (including all subcats)

Please ping me if you'd like me do to do this (after either consensus is clear or a reasonable waiting period for potential objections). I'm pre-parsing now to give you an idea of how many pages this would tag. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 22:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

This would result in at least 1,090 pages being tagged, but possibly a bit more, since the pre-parsing I did wouldn't "count" any pages that have entirely non-existent talk pages. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 23:35, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Notice about adminship to participants at this project

Many participants here create a lot of content, may have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:

• Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Asian volleyball competitions

Hi,

Module:Sports table/Volleyball This module is exclusive module for 2016 Olympics? Can I add news sport table on Asian volleyball competitions pages?

Thanks, BTechTV

-- BTechTV (talk) 10:55, 10 March 2017 (UTC+7)

Women in Red online editathon on sports

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National team roster default template

Are there any default roster template for national team pages. Thanks.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

It would have been a great chance to include volleyball criteria. --Osplace 17:52, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Results and Ranking Table Improvement

Hi y'all. So I came up with a little improvement to the results and ranking table. I added the number breakdown of the win-loss record to perhaps give more information of how a team performed. Please compare this table with this detailed table and say your thoughts about the difference. Thanks
P.S. it is still in the sandbox form so nothing is changed with the current template. TjBison (talk) 07:54, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I have not been able to find the improvement yet. --Osplace 17:50, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time of checking it out. If you look at the version in my sandbox, there is now the option to click on the Match with dotted underline to expand the breakdown result of win-loss column. In contrast, current tables do not provide the additional information. TjBison (talk) 00:16, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Template for tournaments

Please check this tournament template with full results taken into the template, what about it? --Osplace 13:10, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Succession box

The Succession box, as read in the template itself, it is "mostly deprecated". Do we really need this? The user implementing this box never uses references, but anyway, it looks horrible! --Osplace 13:57, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Qualified teams table

I think it should to change the qualified teams table on 2018 WCH page.--BTechTV (talk) 06:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Old Table

I think it is very untidy.

Africa (CAVB)	Asia & Oceania (AVC)	Europe (CEV)	North America (NORCECA)	South America (CSV)
2017 CAVB Champions: 2017 CAVB Runners-up:	Hosts: Japan Pool A top two: China Pool A top two: Pool B top two: South Korea Pool B top two: Thailand	2nd Round Pool A Winners: Russia 2nd Round Pool B Winners: Serbia 2nd Round Pool C Winners: Turkey 2nd Round Pool D Winners: Italy 2nd Round Pool E Winners: Azerbaijan 2nd Round Pool F Winners: Germany 3rd Round Pool G Winners: Netherlands 3rd Round Pool G Runners-up: Bulgaria	Reigning Champions: United States Pool A Winners: Pool A Runners-up: Pool B Winners: Pool B Runners-up: Pool C Winners: Pool C Runners-up:	2017 CSV Champions:Brazil CSV Qualifier Winners:

1st New table

It's look like other popular sport, including, Football Basketball.

Country	Confederation	Qualified as	Qualified on	Previous appearances
				Total	First	Last
Japan	AVC	Host country	25 August 2014	15	1960	2014
United States	NORCECA	Defending champions	12 October 2014	15	1956	2014
Serbia1	CEV	CEV Pool B winners	28 May 2017	4	1978	2014
Russia2	CEV	CEV Pool A winners	3 June 2017	3	1994	2014
Azerbaijan	CEV	CEV Pool E winners	3 June 2017	3	1994	2014
Turkey	CEV	CEV Pool C winners	4 June 2017	3	2006	2014
Italy	CEV	CEV Pool D winners	4 June 2017	10	1978	2014
Germany3	CEV	CEV Pool F winners	4 June 2017	14	1956	2014
Brazil	CSV	CSV Round-Robin winners	11 August 2017	15	1956	2014
Netherlands	CEV	CEV Pool G winners	26 August 2017	13	1956	2014
Bulgaria	CEV	CEV Pool G runners-up	26 August 2017	11	1952	2014
	AVC	CEV Pool A winners	September 2017
	AVC	CEV Pool B winners	September 2017
	AVC	CEV Pool A runners-up	September 2017
	AVC	CEV Pool B runners-up	September 2017

¹ From 1952 to 1990, Serbia competed as the Yugoslavia and from 1992 to 2006, competed as the Serbia and Montenegro.

² From 1952 to 1990, Russia competed as the Soviet Union.

³ From 1956 to 1990, Germany competed as the West Germany and East Germany.

2nd New table

It's look like olympic tournament.

Means of qualification	Date	Venue	Vacancies	Qualified
Host Country	—	—	1	Brazil
2015 World Cup	8–23 September 2015	Japan	2	United States
				Italy
South American Qualifier	9–11 October 2015	Maiquetía	1	Argentina
European Qualifier	5–10 January 2016	Berlin	1	Russia
African Qualifier	7–12 January 2016	Brazzaville	1	Egypt
North American Qualifier	8–10 January 2016	Edmonton	1	Cuba
Asian Qualifier*	28 May – 5 June 2016	Tokyo	1	Iran
1st World Qualifier			3	Poland
				France
				Canada
2nd World Qualifier	3–5 June 2016	Mexico City	1	Mexico
Total			12

* The Asian Qualifier was combined with the 1st World Qualifier. The best Asian team qualified as the Asian Qualifier winners, while the best three ranked teams except the Asian Qualifier winners qualified as the top three teams of the 1st World Qualifier.

I second the table proposed by BTechTV (talk). They look more clean and more efficient.Arielslytherin (]) 12:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Arielslytherin, Thank you for your approve, In the WCH page, Can it use table score, Module:Sports table/Volleyball in this page? I see the European Championship use this table.--BTechTV (talk) 13:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I am in favor of the second new one. We should make a separate discussion for the module. --Osplace 15:12, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Sports table and score box

The WCH pages, I think should use the sports table and score box same the Olympic 2016. --BTechTV (talk) 13:17, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I Agree. --Osplace 16:01, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I don’t agree. The ranking table should remain, because the main columns represent one of the pool ranking criteria. Like other team sports table that a sigle column represent one of pool ranking criteria. Set won, set lose, set ratio shouldn’t separate. Point won, point lose, point ratio as well. If just want to change font and size, I am okey. Noncommittalp (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Youth Competition

It should to change team template from Template:Vb and Template:Vbw to Template:Vbu and Template:Vbwu--BTechTV (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

MU21

• {{vb|POL}} Poland → {{vbu|21|POL}} Poland

WU20

• {{vbw|CHN}} China → {{vbwu|20|CHN}} China

BU19

• {{vb|IRI}} Iran → {{vbu|20|IRI}} Iran

GU18

• {{vbw|DOM}} Dominican Republic → {{vbwu|18|DOM}} Dominican Republic

Do we really need under age national team articles? We started a discussion before. There were a time when all of them were deleted. --Osplace 15:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

WCH 2018

Can I add the seeded team table instead the pools composition table? It looks like the soccer articles.

Seeded Teams
Pool A	Pool B	Pool C	Pool D
Italy (4) (Hosts) Argentina (7)	Brazil (1) Canada (6)	United States (2) Russia (5)	Bulgaria (14) (Hosts) Poland (3)
Unseeded Teams
Pot 1	Pot 2	Pot 3	Pot 4
Iran (8) France (9) Serbia (11) Japan (12)	Egypt (13) Belgium (15) Australia (16) Cuba (16)	Finland (18) China (20) Slovenia (23) Tunisia (24)	Netherlands (25) Puerto Rico (29) Cameroon (30) Dominican Republic (38)

--BTechTV (talk) 10:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The drawing of lots process of football, basketball, handball,.., unlike volleyball. No seeding teams fix in any position. No serpentine system. Some divine in pots by geographic reason. Volleyball use serpentine system in most competition. Some did’t have drawing, only serpentine system like OG, WC. That’s why I think we should keep “Pools composition” in volleyball pages altogether. We’ve described the process already. But, I can accept your table if the pools composition still remain. Which I think other sports lack. Noncommittalp (talk) 10:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Group table and Score table (2)

• Which one will it use in the 2018 WCH article?

A

Pos	Team	Pld	W	L	Pts	SW	SL	SR	SPW	SPL	SPR	Qualification
1	Argentina	5	5	0	14	15	3	5.000	423	210	2.014	Quarter-finals
2	Belgium	4	3	1	10	9	4	2.250	377	251	1.502

Updated to match(es) played on unknown. Source:

ฺB

Rank	Team	Matches		Pts	Sets			Points
		W	L		W	L	Ratio	W	L	Ratio
1	Argentina	0	0	0	0	0	MAX	0	0	MAX
1	Belgium	0	0	0	0	0	MAX	0	0	MAX

• Which one will it use in the current volleyball tournament article?

Y

Date	Time		Score		Set 1	Set 2	Set 3	Set 4	Set 5	Total	Report
		Argentina	–	Belgium	–	–	–			0–0

Z

1 January 2018 0:00	Argentina	v	Belgium	Stadium, City Attendance: 0 Referees: ABC
	(0–0, 0–0, 0–0, 0–0)

--BTechTV (talk) 12:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I have already answered this topic. And, the topic don’t move to achievement, so let’s move to above. Noncommittalp (talk) 17:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I do not understand the english language used here. I asume BtechTV is asking about which template should we use, but why some then and not now? --Osplace 02:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

It is a problem not to understand the basics. WikiProject Volleyball goal #1 is Standardize the appearance and layout of volleyball related articles. Meaning that we should not be using now in the current volleyball tournament article and plan to use a different on in the 2018 WCH article. I just do not like the las results one. --Osplace 17:18, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

The new Volleyball Nations League

I want to ask the Wikiproject if the new tournament should separate from the World league and World grand prix. Noncommittalp (talk) 14:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I think the best solution is to rename the World League and the World Grand Prix pages and redirect them once the official name of the competition has been unravelled, since its not a new competition per se, but merely an extension of the same tournaments with a new name and a new dressing. This procedure of renaming the article's page and redirecting is usual in other sports competitions that changed their official name like in FIFA Confederations Cup, FIFA U-20 World Cup, FIFA U-17 World Cup and more recently the FIBA Basketball World Cup, just to name a few examples. Arielslytherin (talk) 15:52, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

It is next year competition, we should not rush with this. Is just a change of names. --Osplace 21:38, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

World Grand Prix and World League are now defunct competitions. We should update the templates according to this information. --Osplace 23:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Layout

We should take time and find a solution for the volleyball players layout, from top to bottom. Infobox, the lede, career section, personal information, club lists, awards (personal, club and national team). There should be a discussion about this. --Osplace 21:55, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Rationale: There are many "I can edit the articles that are mine like I want to" outthere. This WikiProject first goal is standarize volleyball article, we then should agree what to do. We have been lazy people around editing, our articles are not as good as we believe they are. I mean this because there is not a single volleyball article promoted to GA yet.

Lede

WP:LEAD The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies. Yekaterina Gamova is notable because of her World Championships and Olympic games. Thelma Barina-Rojas lead is incomplete, why is she notable? What happened in her career? The fact that the lead summarize means that the information stated in the lead must be included in the career section with the appropriate references. The notability of volleyball players is according to WP:ATHLETE because we do not have our own criteria yet.

I feel like the WP:MOSBIO should be used in the lead summary of the player's article highlighting the most relevant informations (Name; date of birth; years active in the case of a retired player; player public presence after retirement - players who became coaches or sports commentators -; nickname (if there is one); player position; current club; national team; most notable titles, achievements and controversies). I'll use Natália Pereira as an example of what a good, concise lead should be in my opinion:

Natália Zilio Pereira (born 4 April 1989), commonly known as Natália, is a Brazilian volleyball player who plays as an Opposite Spiker for turkish club Fenerbahçe and the Brazilian national team. Member of her national team since 2009, she was part of the brazilian squad that won the gold medal at the Olympic Games in 2012. She was also a runner-up at the World Championship in 2010, a bronze medalist in 2014 and has won the World Grand Prix in five different opportunities between 2009 and 2017. Her individual achievements include being elected the Most Valuable Player at the World Grand Prix in 2016 and 2017.

Accolades and milestones should also be featured in the lead. For example, Zhu Ting is the highest paid female volleyball player at the moment, and Simone Giannelli was the youngest titular player at an Olympic Final. Informations like these two are notable enough to be feature in the main summary of their respective articles. Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Infobox

MOS:INFOBOX And per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE: When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored). Any article's information should not be deleted because is included in the infobox, the INFOBOXPURPOSE is clear when it says not supplant. Per WP:INFOBOXREF references are preferred in the body of the article. And please per WP:INFOBOXFLAG do not include any flags neither in the Nationality not clubs names or national team.

The current number parameter of the Infobox volleyball player is linked to the current club, please do not include the national team number as Sander Varder Grinkel used to do.

Also stop using the html code br for adding many clubs in the infobox, since years1=team1=years2=team2=... have been created to do this. Do not use the years and clubs like Nikola Jovović, but Mina Popović. --Osplace 05:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Correct, no flags on the box. Did not know that years1... existed. Kante4 (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

We should take a time to consider what honours should be featured in the infobox. A lot of players have their Montreux Volley Masters titles in their infobox, but this tournament is merely a friendly one and should not be in the same level of the OG, WCH, World Cup, continental championships and World League/World Grand Prix. Under-age world championships medals should be acknowledged as well. Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Yup. Montreux medals should not be added. OG, WC and Continental ones along with the under age WC medals are enough. (Won't oppose leaving Mediterran, Universade and similar...). Kante4 (talk) 04:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I have similar opinion to Kante4. Infobox is not a proper place to including under age achievements. DariaPolonia (talk) 16:54, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

No one have expressed the idea of not including under age medals. Because in this section, we are discussing national team medals, the ones supported by Medal Country. This template from the beginning has supported minor and under age international competitions.

Another problem we have been facing is the change of the parameters of the Medal Country templates by @Vitor Brto: to include links to rosters in the team link. This is a missconception of the template and some editors have been reverting this actions. Because since the beginning team is linked to the article of the competition, not the roster of the team. --Osplace 16:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

You should also know that per MOS:HOTLINK all images displayed in the articles MUST be uploaded to Wikipedia. That's why the links to image in the Yūko Sano article must be removed and not be used like that. --Osplace 18:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Body of the article

There should be a Career sections and also a Personal information. Here you should include everything, yes, everything! Signing with a new club, a new national team medal or club award should be written here with the appropiate reference, then you should include that in any other part, including the Medal Templates and Medal Country. The career section should be organized according to year with the appropiate subtitles that make sense for every case.

Concerning the body of the article, I feel that we should divide in at least four subsections:

• Personal life: acknowledging any information on controversies not directly related to their career or volleyball. Some examples: the player's family background; if they are married; if they have children; sexual orientation; political position; educational level; charity works; participation in the media (for example, Jaqueline Carvalho has been a contestant in the brazilian version of the reality show Dancing with the Stars; this of course has nothing to do with her volleyball career, but in notable enough that should be acknowledged in her personal life section); etc.
• Early career: featuring the player's volleyball years before they became professional: junior clubs, under-age national team and in the case of american, canadian and australian players their high school and college careers.
• International career: concerning their participation in the national teams
• Club career: concerning, well, their club career in a different section separated from the international one. Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Depending on the age and experience of the player, not all those sections may be needed and/or other sections may be needed. I would agree that international and club careers might make useful section headings. An Early life section might be useful - where and when they were born, who their parents were etc... can be relevant.

I would very strongly argue against the suggestion that "everything, yes everything" should be included (although I may be missing the context). You probably want to avoid an article that reads like a list "And then she played for X. And then she won Y. And then she moved to Z etc..." I agree that things should be written about rather than stuck in tables, but I tend to think that a summary is better than "everything" per se. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing: About everything, everything we have WP:DETAIL. How would we cover the criteria of getting an article to as better as possible in the grading criteria WP:ASSESS, if we do not cover everything? --Osplace 03:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

What I mean is, summarise where necessary rather than add every detail about every possible match, tournament etc... For example (and I"m using different sports here), the section in Robert Snodgrass about Leeds United is, for me, much too detailed as is the section about England in Jonny Bairstow. Each of these list almost match by match details - some of which are irrelevant details about the event rather than about the subject of the article at times. For me that's too much of "everything" where a summary would be much more useful. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Lists

From here on we have one of the main problems we curently have outthere.

Clubs

• Guangdong Evergrande (2012–2013)
• Henan Huawei (2013–2016)
• Vakıfbank Istanbul (2016–)

There are club lists, but currently @Kante4: is removing the clubs section from all articles edited. Our dear @DariaPolonia: uses non club list and some of our editors from Asia are including the word loan in the club list, borrowed from the soccer articles. Should we have this list? We have had discussions before about the flag icons next to the names of the clubs. Should we keep them?

Varsity teams, high schools and universities are not clubs, unless are registered as such and plays in professional leagues. --Osplace 05:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Lists of clubs is not needed as they are exactly the way in the infobox, where they should be. Repeating the same info just to include the flags makes it clumpsy. Kante4 (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I feel a word 'dear' is a little bit sarcastic because of my wrong edits. :) But anyway... For me infobox is a one and only proper place to add clubs. DariaPolonia 17:07, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Individuals

• 2016 Pan-American Cup "Best Spiker"

National Team

Junior Team

• 2017 U23 World Championship - Gold Medal

Senior Team

• 2013 Bolivarian Games – Gold Medal

Clubs

• 2016 FIVB Club World Championship – Champion, with Eczacibasi VitrA
• 2016–17 CEV Champions League – Bronze medal, with Eczacibasi VitrA

There are individual awards and clubs and national teams. Everything included here must be already metioned in the career section with the appropiate references before including that information here. But, should we include the national team medals? We have the Medal Template medals, but this template is reserved only for an athlete or sportsperson's major medals. Meaning not all competitions should be included in the Medal template. Should we repeat all medals in the awards section? Include none? There is a problem of course because our friend @DariaPolonia: uses Sporting achievements like in Łukasz Żygadło, with a heavy abuse of WP:BOLDITIS. But this should end here. We should have a standard use of everything.

I agree that everything here should have been already mentioned in the career section. We should borrow the soccer articles standards for this section. Take Lionel Messi#Honours_and_achievements as an example: is tidy, clean and every information is available. Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Arielslytherin - I agree with your idea. If we'll agree to this kind of looking section I'm going to fix most of my edits as soon as possible. DariaPolonia (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

@DariaPolonia: we have an ongoing discussion, we have not agree anything yet, please be patient. I want you to understand that we have different layouts in use. We should have our own. DE Wiki uses one, and every single article look the same (Yūko Sano, Maja Ognjenović) Or the Italian, that looks more like one middle of our layout (Yuko Sano, Maja Ognjenović) and we have the Polish, the one that invaded English Wikipedia thanks to DariaPolonia, (Yuko Sano, Maja Ognjenović), with the same icons and format.

I do not like the idea of "borrowing the soccer articles standards". I would like to have the awards references included in the body of the article and not have a reference in every single award. Agreeing our own format would be preferable. --Osplace 15:45, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Should we keep using italics in the individual awards? Probably our use of them is not according to MOS:ITALIC. --Osplace 18:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

User @Jessicapierce: have been making some WP:COPYEDIT and should make some comments about this. --Osplace 22:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

In my limited experience with articles like this, I've seen italics on those award lists less often than non-italicized. When I'm editing such an article, I have been removing the italics simply because I couldn't think of a good (i.e. Wiki-standard) reason that italics would be used there. If I'm mistaken, please let me know. Jessicapierce (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Succession box

Are this boxes even necessary to any article? Should we use them if referenced? Our beloved editor @Vitor Brto: is a prolific includer of these unrefenced boxes everywhere. But have never added any text or reference to any article.

Not needed for me. Footy project agreed to remove them (if i am not mistaken), like you said no reference. Can be included (sourced) at the award section. Kante4 (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I like the succession boxes, but will not oppose their removal if every award and achievement (MVP, best libero, best middle blocker etc.) are to be included in their career (international and club-level) sections Arielslytherin (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I would vote to delete this section completely. --Osplace 15:46, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

References

WP:CITE Wikipedia's Verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space. Many Wikipedia articles contain inline citations: they are required for Featured Articles, Good Articles, and A-Class Articles. There are many ways to add inline citations to an article. Each is acceptable under Wikipedia's citation style guideline, but a single article should use only one type. Adding a cite will help the poor citing density of the volleyball articles. Please study WP:CIT to improve your citing.

Please comment on everything adding a line with a : and singing your comment. I will include some examples. --Osplace 05:07, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Julio Velasco

Hello, I edited the said article (here) also adding some source (the Italian newspaper la Repubblica). Since my native language is Italian can anyone review my English? :-) Regards, -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 13:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Beach volleyball kit template

Male || Female

Hello. I created a Template:Beachhandball kit for beach handball. May bee you can it also use for beach volleyball. --Malo95 (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

V.League (Japan) - Naming the pages and their subordinates

I don't know how to best rearrange and name things (and explain them) given the new structure of the Japanese Volleyball League. Even if I could explain it I wouldn't know how best to rename/redirect pages. If anyone has interest in offering advice, please do.

Now:

• "V.League" is the overall name for the entire thing.
• It is divided hierarchically into 3 'divisions' 1,2,3, where 1 is the Top level (comparable to what V.Premier League Women 2017-2018 was last year).
• The three divisions are sometimes referred to as S1, S2, S3 relating to the Licensing requirements of participating, but I don't think these are official names, and should probably not be used.
• 2 and 3 are comparable to what the Challenge League (1 &2) were last year.
• There is no such thing as V.Challenge League any more.

I can't read Japanese and the Japanese V.League web site is a black hole of non-information. Citing sources will be difficult.

Probably best to start with V.League (Japan) page and try to explain this new structure there. I'm thrown off by the notion of "top level" that begins the article because now V.League refers to all three levels so things like "Previous Winners" gets complicated.

I'll wait to see if any one wants to bat this around with me before going farther

Phuebi (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this project active?

Anyone active in this project please {{ping|zackmann08}} me. Working on fixing a template this project uses... --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 20:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Bot Beta

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TFD notification

Only WP:CFB was notified. I think all relevant sports should participate in this discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 4#Athletic program head coaches navboxes.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

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Nomination of Portal:Volleyball for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Volleyball is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Volleyball (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Two month virtual editathon on Women in Sports

WikiProject Women in Red is devoting the next two months (July and August) to a virtual editathon on Women in Sports. Please take this opportunity to write more articles about women in volleyball who lag far behind men on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 07:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:UST Growling Tigers#Team rosters

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:UST Growling Tigers#Team rosters. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Discord

Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:59, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Volleyball Notability Guideline

Is there a notability guideline for volleyball players? I am sometimes seeing draft biographies of living persons, but I don't see a guideline, and they very seldom meet general notability. If they have competed in the Olympic Games, that is sufficient. Is there a guideline? If not, should there be? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

• Earlier archived discussions did not arrive at notability for Volleyball players. Failure to come up with a schema means notability resolves to WP:SPORTCRIT, as per earlier Volleyball archival discussions. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Cannabis and sports

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Vital articles

Hello Wikipedians. I nominated article William G. Morgan to be considered as one of 10 000 the most important articles on English Wikipedia, 2000 the most important biographies, and about 50-100 the most important sportspeople of all time. You can kept your comment or eventually vote here. Regards. Dawid2009 (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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Template:vb res

Can somebody fix the template usage at such pages as 2008–09 CEV Women's Champions League#Main_Phase, 2009–10 CEV Women's Champions League, 2010–11 CEV Women's Champions League? Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

About the drafts of two upcoming AVC competitions

Someone please review the drafts of 2022 Asian Men's Volleyball Cup and 2022 Asian Men's Volleyball Challenge Cup. 155.137.110.156 (talk) 12:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Capitalization of Men's Volleyball Tournament etc.?

See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Over-capitalization. If things like NCAA Men's Volleyball Tournament are not the full proper names of the tournaments, I propose to move them to NCAA men's volleyball tournament. Or if they are proper names, let's find some sources to support that interpretation. Women's, too. Championships, too? Dicklyon (talk) 20:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

I open a mulit-RM discussion at Talk:ACC Men's Basketball Tournament#Requested move 23 August 2022. Dicklyon (talk) 05:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:UP Fighting Maroons Volleyball Team#Requested move 25 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:UP Fighting Maroons Volleyball Team#Requested move 25 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Template for sports articles lacking sources containing significant coverage

The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

• Two points. First, the RfC was limited to sports biographies, not "all sports articles." Second, the template has been nominated for deletion. See TfD discussion here. It would be prudent to await the outcome of the TfD before rolling this template out. Cbl62 (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Ranking Template to use in Premier Volleyball League, Spikers' Turf and V-League (Philippines)

I would like to open a discussion regarding on what ranking template to use in every competitions on Premier Volleyball League, Spikers' Turf and V-League (Philippines).

In the official websites of PVL, SPT and VPLH, the standings only shows the "Win-Loss"–"Points"–"Points Win-Loss-Ratio" and no "Sets Win-Loss-Ratio" shown. Hence, I changed the Template:Vb cl3 header & Template:vb cl9 team into Module:Sports table/Volleyball, because the latter have a parameter that can hide the "Sets Win-Loss-Ratio" so it reflects the standings on official website to their respective article page.

Also both in NCAA Volleyball and UAAP Volleyball the Module:Sports table/Volleyball is what other editors are using to rank the participating teams.

I've edited the ranking table on 2021 Premier Volleyball League Open Conference, 2022 Premier Volleyball League Open Conference, 2022 Spikers' Turf Open Conference and 2023 Spikers' Turf Open Conference but @Akasahe28 reverted the two latter articles.

The Module:Sports table/Volleyball is much better to use in my opinion. 98Tigerius (talk) 10:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Request for article creation Volleyball World Beach Pro Tour and remove the redirection to the old nomenclature

It's been a while since the FIVB changed the name of the beach volleyball world tour, and I temporarily created a redirect so that I had more time to look for reliable sources for the creation of the article. Unfortunately the article FIVB Beach Volleyball World Tour is out of date, so I'm opening this discussion to find the best way to transition the article to the name of the current event, and thus keep the information up to date. Egtj (talk) 20:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

How do you update the FIVB rankings on the articles of national teams?

Does anyone here know how to update the FIVB rankings shown on the articles of men's volleyball national teams? If so, please do inform me on how to do it. Thanks a lot! JoshuaInWiki (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Joshua! The ranking are updated via Template:FIVB ranking men and Template:FIVB ranking women. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Another RfC on capitalization of all our articles

I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.

Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Asian Men's Volleyball Championship#Requested move 10 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Asian Men's Volleyball Championship#Requested move 10 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 03:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)