Talk:List of converts to Christianity from Islam

Latest comment: 11 months ago by Loveneverfail.777 in topic Unreferenced converts from Islam to christianity

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Here's a list of people I've removed from the list because they lack references, please re-add them when/if you can find a reference to their conversion to Christianity. Thanks! Ncboy2010 (talk) 13:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

Unreferenced converts from Islam to christianity

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Albanian monarch, Skanderbeg was forcibly converted from Christianity to Islam but reverted to Christianity later in life upon his return in Albania[1]
 
Italian journalist Magdi Allam converted to Roman Catholicism during the Vatican's 2008 Easter vigil service presided over by Pope Benedict XVI[13]
 
On St George's Day, 2005 Serbian film director Emir Kusturica left Islam and was baptised into the Serb Orthodox Church[50]
 
Argentine president, Carlos Menem converted to Roman Catholicism due to his political aspirations[44]
 
Al Qaeda terrorist Ramzi Yousef claims to have embraced Christianity while in ADX Florence Supermax prison. However, the prison staff does not believe Yousef's conversion is sincere.[93][94]
 
Born into a Muslim Batak family, Indonesian Prime Minister Amir Sjarifuddin converted to Christianity in 1931, upon which his fervently Islamic mother committed suicide.[100]

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Notability

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Does this article still determine notability on the basis of the fact that an article about the person exists on wikipedia? If so, Ibrahim Abdullah is not a notable entry and ought to be removed.Bless sins (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Unless there exists an external source verifying the notability of a person and that or another source verifying that said person was a professed christian and one of those two or a third source stating that said person explicitly left christianity for islam, then that person should not be on this list. Blue links can (usually) verify a notable person but don't work for verifying the previous or current religious affiliation. Does that make sense? Ncboy2010 (talk) 14:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Al-Mu'ayyad.

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The article states: " there is no Christian or Muslim record remotely associating Muayyad with Christianity or even, indeed, religious speculation. The motives for his murder seem to have been purely political; had he indeed converted, it would have given Mutazz an excuse to murder him for apostasy and been recorded." thus i have removed him from the list. Bakkouz (talk) 08:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)Reply


Changes by Antimalboraux

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Antimalboraux, you have made some recent changes to the page that was done by me with sound reasoning. Is there any reason for such changes? You removed many of my cited sources. I would like to see some rational justifications behind your recent revisions. Xtremedood (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

You have made revisions to the following. Here are my reasons for changing them:

  • Ibrahim Rugova is rumoured to have converted, however it is debated.
  • Zaida was forced to convert to Christianity.[1]
  • Estevanico is suspected to have been forced into Christianity or may have kept his Muslim faith hidden.
  • Mehmet Ali Ağca - claimed to be the Messiah (different from mainstream Christian belief) and his mental health has been put into question.
  • Chamillionaire was raised by his mother, who was Christian, there is no proof he converted (from what I found).
  • Sayed Borhan Khan and Utameshgaray of Kazan, were forced to convert to Christianity following the Siege of Kazan in 1552, this is a well-documented account of mass-forced conversions to Christianity following this event. Ivan the terrible got his name for a reason. See the Tatar encyclopedia.
  • Converso refers to a people that were largely forced to convert during the inquisition. These mass-forced conversions are well-documented.
  • Hansen Clarke is a similar case to Chamillionaire. No proof he converted (that i found).

Is there any reason for your revisions pertaining to these personalities? I believe the reasons given above are sound. Xtremedood (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Antimalboraux, you have recently reverted an edit I made pertaining to the personality of Maria Huberdina Hertogh. I have checked both sources for your claim that she reconverted, however no where does it say that she reconverted to Catholicism in [5]. The other source is not in English so can you reference the exact point within the source and translate it to English, since this is Wikipedia English? Also, there are sources that seem to say that this was not a kidnapping. Xtremedood (talk) 00:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
I admire and commend your consideration in bringing this issue (at least) to the talk page, as well as your determination in pursuing the veracity of specific sources, however, perhaps at times it is also best to contact the editor in question directly before reverting their contributions a second time. Though, to be fair, there does seem to a blatant disregard for WP:ROWN, at the very least. Gorgevito (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
Gorgevito, you re-added Maria Huberdina Hertogh to the list, any reason why? Do you have a source for that? Xtremedood (talk) 02:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ How England’s royals descend from Andalus {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Jeppiz

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user:Jeppiz, Hello, you have accused me of not properly discussing matters on the removal of content that appears to irrelevant to the content of the article. I would first like to note that it was not a controversial edit when I made the revert, but your false accusations against me on multiple forums seems to display a striking lack of drive on your part to properly discuss the matter. I disagree your your accusations and I believe that the content that I have excluded is irrelevant to the article. You, however, have the onus to justify keeping this content, which I could not find any similar things on similar articles. Rather than revert my edits you should instead properly engage in effective dialogue on the matter instead. I have a history of engaging in dialogue, even if it takes months to settle the matter, see for example [[6]]. Xtremedood (talk) 11:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Could I recommend you read WP:NPA and that you discuss matters related to me on my talk page? As for this article, you removed a large chunk of sourced content. Some would see that as vandalism but I do believe you didn't intend it as such. However, asking you to outline why you think the material should be removed is hardly unreasonable, and the onus to explain is on the one wanting to change the article. Jeppiz (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I am against making personal attacks, which is why I am requesting you to not make such personal attacks on my talk page. What I removed was recently put in the article and I believe that it violates policies of neutrality as no such similar content is found in any related articles. I would recommend discussing such matters before making such controversial revisions. Do you have any justification for keeping the content? Xtremedood (talk) 11:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
It is sourced content and as long as the only argument is that other stuff does or does not exist, I don't think any case has been made for its removal. Could you explain why you want to remove it? Jeppiz (talk) 13:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Without getting involved in the personal dispute, I would point out that from an uninvolved perspective, it does not make sense for there to be an introductory paragraph/lede in a "List" page. This is just a list, not an article. If properly sourced, the lede paragraph should be covered in Conversion to Christianity in the "Conversion from Islam to Christianity" section. This is not the page for it, as this is, as the title of the page explains, just a list. UnequivocalAmbivalence (talk) 23:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well the list List of converts to Islam gives also numbers for example. I don't see you doing there removing the numbers?--Jobas (talk) 15:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
The 6 million figure is from 2006, and is not based on any scientific research. Also, within the past 9 years 6 million x 9 years would mean that 54 million African Muslims allegedly converted to Christianity, and I do not see any evidence for this. Clearly this is not scientific and should not be there in the first place. Xtremedood (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
It's what the Saudi Arabian Muslim leader Sheikh Ahmad al Qatanni reported on Al Jazeera and it's provide by soruce. The other figure by the study: "Believers in Christ from a Muslim Background: A Global Census" by Johnstone, Patrick; Miller, Duane Alexander. And it's also provide by soruce.--Jobas (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Like I said, there is no scientific evidence to show that 6 million Muslims convert to Christians every year in Africa alone. If that were the case, since 2006, this would certainly cause an immense demographic change in the African population that I feel would probably not be ignored by major statistical organizations. However, data shows the Muslims population of Africa has actually increased. Quoting some random Saudi Arabian "leader" does not mean much. From the source given he does not provide scientific rationale to justify his figure. He seems to be fear mongering about Christian missionary activities, which is not an uncommon practice. By fear mongering, you create awareness and calls for action, which may or may not be beneficial to that particular "leader". The figure however is unverified and non-scientific and should be removed. Xtremedood (talk) 05:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Revisions by Jobas

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user:Jobas has continually reverted deletions of individuals whose sources did not indicate a conversion from Islam. He has made no serious attempt to properly communicate the matter and is instead engaging in an edit-war and disruptive editing. What is your justification to include all those entries? Xtremedood (talk) 09:34, 28 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Some of the sources re-introduced by user:Jobas are also troublesome, such as blogspot.com. Xtremedood (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2016 (UTC)Reply


Should the entries re-added by user:Jobas be deleted until the user gives proof that the sources clearly indicate a conversion from Islam to Christianity? Xtremedood (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

It's re-added with better sources, hope just for once you try to read and see what was my edit. for exmaple you removed Saeed Abedini from the list, since the previous source don't mention he converted form Islam, what was my edit is providing new soruce cited he convert to christianity from Islam.--Jobas (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2016 (UTC)Reply
Who are you trying to fool? Almost all of the ones you have re-added remain unchanged. Xtremedood (talk) 11:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)Reply
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Former Hafiz, Qari, Imam from Pakistan Raza Muhammad converted from Islam to Christianity in 2010 in Greece https://ofwi.org/action-alerts/2023/11/23/22-lets-rescue-raza-family Loveneverfail.777 (talk) 20:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply