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Harassment problem.

Hello Bbb23, I'm writing to you since you are an admin and you wrote in that SPI case about James Oredan.

I feel extremely harassed and I'm tired of the continuous personal attacks against me made by the user Barjimoa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) the CU admin has just said I'm not related to any of these socks (what I've been saying since day 1, probably has checked my IP, ISP, device, etc) but this user won't stop insisting and insisting to say I'm a sockpuppet and claims the WP:SYNTH "evidence" made by another user who has had edit problems with me just few months ago about a few topics.

Barjimoa is already getting out of control. What did I do to deserve this harassment? I understand that James Oredan guy has had many socks and he took it personally with Barjimoa, but he can't go and insist and insist I'm a sock because that breaks the point of WP:NPA and pisses me off, because now every edit I'll make will be patrolled by Barjimoa to try to find any kind of connection to the sock master despite not having solid evidences.

This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JamesOredan&action=history

Please warn this user if he keeps this hostile attitude towards myself. I am no one's punching ball. Thank you. LucenseLugo (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Bbb23, not harrasment, reporting socks of James/Venezia is trying to stop or prevent actual harrasment. Now, 4 users including me are convinced he is JamesOredan/Venezia Friulano and presented at different times evidence that I included in a report on socks on JamesOredan/Venezia Friulano, in response he has attacked the other users more than defending himself. James/Venezia up to the other day has continued creating flames, insulting and trolling users (including me), creating socks and violating basically all wiki rules in all these years. So I just want to be sure no socks of his get away, I have had many of them blocked. Barjimoa (talk) 08:10, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide any evidence where I've insulted you or where I've did all of thay stuff you're again mentioning against me?

I don't care what James Oredan / Venezia Friulano socks do or your problem with them. The problem is that you constantly keep harassing and attacking me like if I was one of them.

In fact, the CU admin Doug Weller has run another CU and said there are no more connected accounts and you still insist and insist that I am a sock, therefore breaking the WP:NPA barrier as you broke the WP:AGF one a long time ago.

Proof of the admin edit where he says another CU has been done and there is nothing else:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JamesOredan&diff=prev&oldid=1239591963

Report your James Oredan suspected socks, but leave me alone, I'm tired of your harassment. Can't you understand? Do you know how it feels to be constantly pushed and tried to convince anyone else you're someone you're not? What's your problem with me? An admin already said I'm not a sock but you still repeat I am, thus making it a personal attack!!!

Leave me alone dude. I'm no one's sock and it has been proved by the SPI clerk. Just as I've said since day one. I hope the admins will give you a notice for your behavior, because at this point you are only harassing me. What if "other 4 users" (including you and despite 2 of them being the same one, an IP and the same user as the IP but with an account) if the CU has been CLEAR and I'm not related to any sock just as I've been saying since day 1?

You don't leave me alone even after being proven wrong because the CU has shown I'm no one's sock. Take some fresh air and think about your behavior. Can you stop harassing me? --LucenseLugo (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Now the CU admin has said once again I'm not related to any other account, neither "James Oredan" nor anyone else.

Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JamesOredan&diff=prev&oldid=1239600682

@Barjimoa: if you continue to accuse me of being a sockpuppet despite being proven wrong twice by a Wiki admin, I will report you for personal attacks. Stop the harassment already, I've had enough. And I write this in an administrator page to prove I'm not fooling around.

I don't blame you since you have your history with James / Venezia but find the real sockpuppets, not innocent users like myself or @Discopleasant: because editing similar articles don't make us socks.

Also understand why sometimes I reply like that, I'm not attacking, I'm just pissed off because you didn't even gave me the chance to defend myself or to say anything but directly kept saying I'm a sock of James Oredan.

And despite this, I have NEVER insulted anyone in Wikipedia. James has insulted you with his socks? Okay. But I'm not that guy. And my edits prove I've never insulted anyone. LucenseLugo (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

That particular point by the admin that you have linked is not what you are making it to be: he answered you saying that you cannot claim he proved that you are not a sock, as a negative cannot be proven and it can happen that socks get away with CU checks, that's what he is saying (and he made it clear here:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JamesOredan&curid=68529610&diff=1239605991&oldid=1239604966). In any case the investigation has not being closed yet and I am hopeful admins will look at the evidence by Agpshi. And again, evidence-based reporting is not a personal attack, even more so in this case as I collected evidence by others, and my right to report is fully intact because I am in good faith and always provide evidence, while the activities of the network of socks of James/Venezia are unacceptable and disruptive.Barjimoa (talk)

@Barjimoa: What evidence? Claiming I'm a 2012 user that's not even blocked? Claiming I have done 2015 and 2019 edits when my account is from 2020?

Have you seen my clear evidences against Agpshi and all the proofs I have (I have many more) to think he's a sock of a banned global account because he knows way too much of edits from many years ago, when he wasn't even an user (his account is from 2020, like mine) I don't even know the user/users he accuses me of being of, and also they are not even blocked from Wikipedia.

As I have said to you before, the CU doesn't link me with any other accont. I'm not any James Oredan nor any 2012 user nor any other single user. My only Wikipedia account is this one, which I use as a part-time hobby, I have barely reached 400 edits in 4 years and 10% of them have been over the past month for this senseless sockpuppet accusation.

Look at my contribs. I even take entire months breaks from editing on Wikipedia. Can't you understand that editing similar articles doesn't make you a sockpuppet of someone? I didn't even edit most of the topics the other users (that you or Agpshi claimed I'm a sock of) have edited.

You take Wikipedia way too seriously dude. I come here as a hobby, to learn and to contribute in what I can. Not to fight nor to create 999999 accounts to make online battles. That James Oredan and his socks are really sad. Why would someone sane do that? But anyways, think whatever you want. --LucenseLugo (talk) 12:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

• Barjimoa, any more accusations against LucenseLugo may result in you being blocked. Let it go. The SPI has now been closed. And I really don't want to see the bickering between you and others carried over to my Talk page. Just let it go and move on to something else.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Investigation

Hello please make sure to check out the sockpuppet investigation i have opened because it is serious. Thanks. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Samirlalas Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 18:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

You keep misfiling these reports - it's disruptive and makes work for everyone else. I've deleted the SPI. You can refile it at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bennyblanco10 adding Somaliphone. Samirlalas is already listed.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I've refiled the report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bennyblanco10 as you said. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

It's been 3 days when will you investigate the sockpuppet investigation at the Bennyblanco10 sockpuppet investigation? Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 21:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted you to file the report in the proper place. I never said I would address it.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Their edits are serious and they are a sockpuppet of Bennyblanco10, If your not going to address the problem than who will? Is there another administrator that will address it?. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

SPI is severely backlogged. I have no idea when it will be looked at, but I think you should stop pestering people about it.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

BTW

My post just now at ANI makes tangential reference to some tension between us years ago. I'm sorry about that, but I didn't see a way to avoid it. I think you'll understand. EEng 17:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure I would, but I started to read your, um, somewhat longish post and gave it up relatively quickly. Looked like you went all out, though. I hope you're not provoking any of those pesky admins into blocking you again. Wikipedia wouldn't be the same without you. Thanks for stopping by.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I read it all. While long, it wasn't rambling and presented key points clearly.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Soon to be a major motion picture. EEng 17:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

What are you doing here? It's not the weekend.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Popping in long enough to put a holiday template on my talk page. Let the good times roll!-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Mess

On this page you wrote "mess" what did you mean? Bosogo (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It was a mess for a number of reasons. BTW, I reverted your attempt to "copy" it over to the correct SPI. Don't do that again. Let a clerk take care of it as I requested.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Tobe-related users

Hi, Bbb23.

I was wondering if these users (Matud6ccui23qq, Batud6ccui2020) could be related to T4579990, J40732570 and 64wtank based on their edits to Tobe (company), Template:TOBE, Arata Sato, Minato Matsui, Hiromitsu Kitayama, Number i and IMP (band), but not sure if there's enough to make an SPI report. The first two accounts look obviously related by their usernames and the timing of first vs last edit of one account and the other. Matud6ccui23qq was created two weeks after you blocked 64wtank. Frost 12:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

There's more than enough to file a report at SPI, but I've saved you the trouble. Both accounts blocked and tagged. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for reverting the string of sockpuppet reverts to my edits this morning. The sock must have come online right after I submitted the report and by that time I had to start work for my real job! (I'm sending it this way because it seems preferable to clogging up your notifications by clicking the "thank" link 11 times.) 1995hoo (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Much better and if you're ever thinking of thanking me by clicking on the link, spare your finger, I have it turned off. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Heh. I'll aim a different finger in the direction of this seeming barrage of StarryNightSky11 sockpuppets. 1995hoo (talk) 13:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Administrator help

Editor has been placing People from categories on Alumni and burial pages. Here are[1] two[2] of many examples. 2 other editors besides myself have told him here[3] and here[4] these edits were wrong but they persist by this recent edit[5]. Can you please issue a warning?Lost in Quebec (talk) 14:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Why me?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I saw you at the edit warring page. I don't know any administrators.Lost in Quebec (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, now you do, it's nice to meet you. Unfortunately, I have no interest in getting involved in the dispute. You can try dispute resolution.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Sock of User:Frket?

Hi, does this look like a sock of Frket, whom you blocked a few weeks ago? Shall I file an SPI? Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Nuking of blocked sock's contribs

Hello Bbb23, you recently nuked and G5'd the contributions of User:Neyoshadow, which of course is perfectly policy-compliant, but seems a little unnecessary and/or extreme for a user who was not acting in bad faith and was not making any unconstructive contributions; most of the user's contributions were updating brigades in Ukraine, which by reverting all of those contributions, makes 50 or so pages out of date, and such edits would likely be added in the exact same manner by another user if not done by said blocked user. The same goes for the Order of battle for the Pokrovsk offensive page, which was the only page showing what its title describes, and was not violating any Wikipedia policies. While I'm well aware that WP:BLOCKREVERT and that blocks apply to good-faith, constructive contributions, such actions of reverting entirely good-faith and unproblematic edits seems a bit unnecessary. If you do not revert your reverts, I will do so myself, and if you do not wish to undelete the Order of battle for the Pokrovsk offensive, may I at least have the contents of the page so I can recreate it? Thanks. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Response? Should I go to WP:RFU? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Do whatever you like, but next time you make a request of an administrator, I'd advise a little less attitude in doing so.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion

95.168.116.29, who you blocked earlier, is now using 95.168.107.28. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've blocked the new one, but, honestly, I'm not quite sure what's going on. At first I thought it was Trimpops editing logged out, but after translating the conversation between the IPs and Trimpops on Trimpops' Talk page, I'm uncertain, but there must be some relationship between them. And I really don't like the IPs editing in project space. I've posted to Trimpops Talk page; we'll see how they respond.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Reporting of a suspicious sockpuppet

Hello Bbb23, I am quite suspicious of the newly created anonymous user with the name of "2001:44C8:4244:C52E:1:1:561A:1C66" their spammable edits seem similar to the user "Teddy983" and "BlueDIAMOND20s" (both Teddy983 and BlueDIAMOND20s are suspicious of being the same account which is sockpuppeting), I suggest taking a review in it. Thank you. Sincerely, Khant KhantWiki (talk) 11:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, I've blocked them for 72 hours. Thanks for letting me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Appes900 and Pandemonium91871 may also be sockpuppets of BlueDIAMOND20s/BlueDiamond.d/Rulergood/Teddy983. Khiikiat (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I blocked and tagged Pandemonium91871. I don't think Appes900 is a sock of BlueDIAMOND20s for a couple of reasons: (1) they edit from a different technical platform (the socks are very consistent with a particular platform) and (2) at least some of Appes900's edits are reverting the socks.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Bbboy990 (talk · contribs) is probably another sock. Khiikiat (talk) 08:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yup, blocked and tagged, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Suspicious vandalism

Hello Bbb23. I noticed you were active with maintenance, so I wanted to bring a concern to your attention. A user, Wikidogsol, created their sandbox, but shortly afterward, several different users began vandalizing the page. Wikidogsol is a recent account, with only four edits, all in that sandbox. I haven't encountered this kind of situation often, but it seems unusual and possibly suspicious, especially since anonymous users and new accounts don't typically know about user sandboxes or other non-indexed pages of that nature. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Best regards, Cysquatch (talk) 01:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I suspect this was a one-off thing, but I've blocked and tagged the named accounts anyway.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion of 82.46.25.83

Hi Bbb23,
This IP address that you blocked recently, has IP hopped to 2A00:23EE:2538:9687:C8B1:A9DA:A27C:87D7. They have restored 82.46.25.83's edits (as in reverted your rollbacks manually). — YoungForever^(talk) 18:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a straightforward block for evasion, but I confess I don't understand exactly what this person is doing. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

They are back again at Special:Contributions/2A00:23EE:2538:6A85:2CE6:EE28:D96A:9F34. A range block might be in order. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Kenya Maeshiro

Hey, just wanted to check why this was declined - did I submit the wrong reason or is the article notable? :) RossEvans19 (talk) 13:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

It may not be "notable", but playing for a club with an article on Wikipedia is enough to get it past A7. You can always take it to AfD if you wish.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah ok, thanks :) RossEvans19 (talk) 13:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Mamluk raid on Cyprus (1368)

This article was substantially written by me and bares almost no relation to the article submitted for creation. Please restore. In my draft space if you wish. Thank you, Srnec (talk) 02:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Based on the significant changes you and another editor made to the article, I should not have deleted it. I thought I'd looked at the history before deleting it, but somehow I must've missed it. My apologies. I've restored it.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Re the threatening message you revdeleted: I wasn't sure if it merited reporting to Emergency, but I very much appreciate your doing it – it was well after midnight and I wasn't thinking quite clearly. It was obviously just blustering, but even so, gaah. Should I do anything to follow up, or can I wait for Emergency to contact me if they think it's necessary? --bonadea contributions talk 08:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you need do anything. I got what I think is a canned confirmation that they had received my e-mail. In it they said "We will review this situation promptly and take action according to our processes. We will contact you if we require more information." They know it was against you, not me, but I'll let you know if I'm contacted (I think it's highly unlikely).--Bbb23 (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, good. Thanks again! --bonadea contributions talk 13:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Appeal follow-up

Given that they seem willing to learn and the draft in question is has now been accepted, improved and moved to main space, are you ok with a tentative unblock of Gcwcd?-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ponyo: Okay, one down and one more to go. I don't think the user is a great candidate for unblocking. Their attitude and discussion throughout, albeit mostly civil, doesn't sound like they will work well in a collaborative environment. If you, however, believe they should be given a chance, go ahead.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I would like to give it a shot, even if it's a hail Mary. I'll make sure to keep an eye on them and emphasize the need for civility and collaboration.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

There's also Tbrennan0827. There's a lot to wade through, but they've agreed to not create any further articles and to abide by WP:MOS, and would like to edit articles on endangered Sámi language. Seems WP:GAB-y enough to extend some rope? Maybe?-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ponyo: One day early, pretty good, huh? This one is much worse than the other. I don't believe a thing they say, and, honestly, I have no idea why you want to give them another chance. If it were anyone other than you, I would leave it there, but if you feel strongly that they should be unblocked... Oh, I had another big lunch today (I specialize in them), a lovely chicken salad sandwich on grilled sourdough along with a bowl of delicious French mushroom soup with many, many different mushrooms (I assume French, but they never spoke, so can't be sure).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll decline the appeal as you feel it doesn't meet WP:GAB. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around telling someone with only 39 edits that they can never edit Wikipedia again because they started off on the wrong foot, even if they agree to completely stay away from the topics/issues that led to the block. We admins like to throw around the "indef ≠ infinite", but I think in many many cases it does. Reviewing these old appeals is soul crushing, so coming across any that bear even a modicum of hope is somewhat gratifying and worth tossing to the blocking admin for review. It would be a much easier task if I had a chicken salad sandwich and mushroom soup. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You're always welcome to take the ferry over and join us. Our treat.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm too tired to give this the attention it merits. I was tired before lunch, but a big lunch has almost put me to sleep. Certainly makes me laaaazzzy. If you don't mind waiting, I'll try to review the two cases by no later than September 1. If you think it shouldn't wait, do whatever you think best.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That must have been one hell of a lunch if it won't be digested until September 1st ;). I'm trying to clear out some of the older requests sitting at CAT:RFU and it's been a slog. I think that there are quite a few that were correctly rejected early on, but when an actual GAB-compliant appeal is made, usually after several tries, most of the regulars reviewing the log have already declined a previous appeal so they won't act on it. It's certainly easier to reject an appeal than to grant one, unfortunately. I only brought two of the ones that I think have a chance of making a second chance work. Plus I never want to miss the opportunity to play Mutt and Jeff with you. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I plan on lots of big lunches between now and September 1.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Lob a tasty dish or two in my general direction then.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

an award

	a duckling for you
	Thanks for dealing with that vandal ;) Daisytheduck quack quack 00:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi BBB23

I am just a bit confused why my sandbox article was removed. That wasn't meant to be a draft, its just meant to test my article writing ability. I'm not mad, I just want a justified reason for why it was removed. Thanks @Bbb23. Nojboj (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I assumed your sandbox was an autobiography, hence the WP:U5 deletion. In looking at it again, it looks more like a hoax, which is even worse. You should not be creating autobiographic pages or hoax pages. Given what your userpage has on it (seriously, sharing your favorite recipe?), I suspect you think that Wikipedia is a social media platform rather than an online encyclopedia. Perhaps you'd be happier editing somewhere else.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok that's fine. Nojboj (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Atari2600wikipedi and ‘ITT Family Games’

22:12, 7 September 2024 Bbb23 deleted page User:Atari2600wikipedi (U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host)

22:12, 7 September 2024 Bbb23 deleted page ITT Family Games (A7: No credible indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events))

Same user’s made it again and It’s A7 tagged again if you’re interested? Bit worried of an incoming NPA matter with their Deletion contest aswell, to be honest. MM (Give me info.) ^(Victories) 22:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I've deleted the article and blocked the user.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Question

@Bbb23, 79.17.172.126 is a block evasion of 95.248.34.201 and 87.9.223.167 but nobody is doing anything while I am accused of being a sock. Is that normal? Yonasse (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

No such thing as normal.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok but why he is not blocked for such an evasion? Yonasse (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Probably because it's all tangled up with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xiaomichel. ToBeFree, you blocked the two IPs; what do you think? Also, if you have a moment, you might take a look at the SPI itself.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Block evasion of 82.46.25.83 again

Hi Bbb23,
This IP address has IP hopped to 2A00:23EE:19D8:5EAF:6CC2:305D:A097:70BE. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Yup, range blocked, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

KustrimiAbdu

Hey, I saw that you reverted the newly created account "KustrimiAbdu". Can you check my comments at this discussion. This account seems to be using the real life identity and photos of a real - but completely unrelated - individual to mask its activity.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll let ANI deal with it. It's a little too weird for me to handle unilaterally.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

For the wrong award barnstar

No problem, Apologies for giving the wrong award. Thanks either way! KhantWiki (talk) 14:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Lokicat3345

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Do you think a long term abuse page is necessary given the fact that Lokicat has been a prolific sock master who has operated for more than a year. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

As LTAs go, that isn't very long. In general, I think that that LTA pages should be created only by CUs, SPI clerks, or admins who regularly patrol SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn’t know that. It never said on the LTA instructions that those pages was only supposed to be created by CUs and admins and whatnot; either way it’s out there pending approval. I had also asked another CU/admin who never raised any objections (but also admitted that she didn’t typically use WP:LTA).

It’s the fact that this sockmaster (I’ve even used the term sock farm to describe him in past SPIs) is often sneaky. I have (and I’m sure others have to) confused Lokicat’s sockpuppetry and disruptions with good faith edits; and the fact that this sockmaster has been community banned (see the tag); with no sign that his sock puppetry is going away anytime soon, is the reason why I submitted said report.

Plus, @Ks0stm said in the first SPI on Lokicat that he couldn’t rule out the possibility of an older account. So it’s possible that Lokicat has been active for longer. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ll further add that @ChrisWx (who is not an admin/CU) created the long-term abuse page for Andrew5. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I actually did ask for approval for that LTA page from an admin that was patrolling the SPI reports I was sending prior to creation and they said it would be a good idea to do so, and did consider approaching you as well if there were any pointers I needed assistance with. Just wanted to clarify that. ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 02:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I asked @Ponyo who had recently been patrolling SPI too; and while she didn’t explicitly tell me to file the LTA; she didnt tell me not to either. She essentially said, if I thought it was necessary to go ahead and do it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I wasn’t around when you made the LTA page on Andrew5. I had barely even started as an IP. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@ChrisWx, The page itself is already created (assuming it hasn’t been deleted or declined); so feel free to add any more info. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

See @ChrisWx, @Bbb23, here’s kinda the timeline of what I did.

• I first suggested an LTA back in July on a discussion relating to tornadoes (I guess because Lokicat struck there); and then that suggestion was passed onto the next SPI on him.
• Then back in this SPI; @GeorgeMemulous suggested an LTA on Lokicat when he opened up the SPI.
• I then asked @Ponyo who said it was up to me.
• I then raised the issue on the WP:LTA talk page, received no response, except from @ChessEric who told me that all we could do was single out and report the socks.
• I then posted a message on the talk page of two LTA helpers. Received no response from either of them (And apparently all of the LTA helpers haven’t been active in months, so I likely won’t receive a response);
• Then I posted a message on @GeorgeMemulous’s talk page and told him to create it; and then I changed my mind and created the entry myself. (This was before @Bbb23 replied and told me that only admins/CUs should create such pages).

So I didn’t unilaterally create the page; and I didn’t create the page after having just been told no. I ran it through multiple people and didn’t receive any objections. And @Bbb23‘s objection came after I had already created the page (although if he had replied sooner; I probably wouldn’t have created the page). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Speedy deletion on Shauna Burns declined

Hello, you declined the speedy deletion on the Shauna Burns article. For what reason? The only "reference" is the biography on the site owned by the person in the article and after removing the unsourced elements we end up with an almost empty article... SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I evaluated the A7 before removing the unsourced material, and sourcing isn't required to get past an A7. I see you've PRODded the article. If that doesn't work, you can always nominate it for AfD. BTW, your account is fairly new and yet you don't act at all like a new editor. What other accounts have you had at Wikipedia?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I have contributed to other Wiki projects but not to Wikipedia itself, projects such as Fandom, I have familiarized myself with the rules of Wikipedia but I am far from knowing everything. I am learning on the spot SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, do you think this deletion request is unjustified? Maybe I'm wrong SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 12:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd have to do a WP:BEFORE, and, tbh, I'm not interested.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2024 concern

Hi, @Bbb23 I hope this you find well I'm writing this just to ask for help and guidance about the article Martin Ljung as I put BPL and since its dead already so might change to need additional citations since the article has small sources to cover up its claims of the statements and some of it was encyclopedia website which is not acceptable in Wikipedia. Since the author of the said article erasing it and ask in particular reason but the reason that his article lack of source. Thank you 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 15:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but your comments are not easy to follow. In any event, the template you put on the article, as well as a template you put on another article (which I reverted), are unjustified. Also, you don't need to ping me on my Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Margin914 and socks

Hi, is there an SPI for Margin914? I see that you blocked and tagged Bukka914; on behavioural grounds I've also tagged Bukke914 and Bukku914, who were blocked by another admin (Pickersgill-Cunliffe); and I suspect a possible sock drawer. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

No SPI. One user thinks that the master is BuickCenturyDriver. I haven't looked into that to see if it's a behavioral fit.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi,

What happens if an AN/I discussion was archived before any resolution was reached? I had posted it to closure requests Special:Diff/1245456374, but it seems the discussion was archived by the bot because the discussion had died out (which was why I made the closure request). Will the closure request still get handled if the topic has been archived?

Thanks, Brocade River Poems (She/They) 00:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea but probably not.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay! Sorry for bothering you. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 01:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Institute for China-America Studies

Hi Bbb23, if you find the time could I ask you to take a look at the edits of JenniferUS? Their edits give me a POV/whitewashing feeling, but I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into it, so I'd like a second opinion. Thanks Nobody (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

They are obviously the same person as ICASWashingtonDC, who was, unfortunately, soft-blocked by another administrator. I've left a COI notice on Jennifer's Talk page, which means, as far as I'm concerned, they have to comply with the procedures delineated in the notice and they cannot edit the article directly. I've also put the article on my watchlist in case they continue disruptively editing the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Another question from a different user

Since I have gotten a heavy amount of criticism from three different administrators (including you) about my recent actions; I would like to ask the question of; what should I be doing?

What kind of stuff do you think I should be doing with 3 months (technically about 10 months if you count my IP edits which go back to Nov 2023) experience?

Because it is kind of disheartening getting a bunch of criticism from you, Ponyo, and Liz; on top of a recent discovery that I had apparently been accused of sockpuppetry and I didn’t even know it for three months; plus canvassing accusations on Commons;

so can you please summarize what I am doing wrong; how I can fix it; and what I should be doing? Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

When you answer me; either answer back on my talk page or ping me here. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricane Clyde: Spend less time in project space, particularly SPI. Focus on content and improving articles or creating articles. Small thing: don't ask users to ping you on their Talk page when replying. It's your job to watch this page once you've posted. And with the relatively new "Subscribe" feature, it's pretty easy to do. BTW, I'm not interested in becoming your mentor (I'm not the best person to mentor editors in general), so I don't want to get into an extended discussion on what you should and should not be doing. I mentioned some obvious things, but I haven't done a review of your edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I’m not asking for a mentor. I was just asking for advice. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

In other words; do what I was doing back in June and July. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

As for the Lokicat LTA; can someone please look at it to see if it should be nominated for deletion? Because I have second thoughts about having created that page in the first place. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Why revert my talk page messages?

All my messages on talk pages (e.g. Talk:Infinite Craft) were reverted for being disruptive. My intent was not to be disruptive or spam, just to ask things. Why were these messages reverted? Kaynbred 01:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Stivwag

Hello. Well, I find a few:

• Abonto.ges (talk · contribs)
• Tittole (talk · contribs)
• Viclers (talk · contribs)
• LeyvSaraish (talk · contribs)
• Aliceht93 (talk · contribs)
• GanteHdz (talk · contribs)

Kind of rare, because the Checkuser was just for 2. I find it through IP Check.-天使 BlackBeast Do you need someting? 23:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Only one of them has any edits on en.wiki, and that one's edit was back in August when they created an innocuous userpage.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, because he's from es:WP. I'm finding today at least 10 more.-天使 BlackBeast Do you need someting? .-天使 BlackBeast Do you need someting? 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

BTW, just find out a lot of puppets more and the owner: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Manuel_Assiego .-天使 BlackBeast Do you need someting? 23:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The ones in that list mostly haven't edited en.wiki since 2022, one 2023. Not worth pursuing.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

OK Then. Let me know if he comes here. But, he has at least 20 pup.-天使 BlackBeast Do you need someting? 23:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

A fox for you!

Thanks a bunch for blocking FarhanNaufal19! Subtle vandalism is awful to see and sometimes worse to deal with because you can't tell if it's good faith or vandalism. Thanks for getting on top of my report quickly! :D

Sirocco745 (talk) 00:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Unblock requests

Hi. I'm spending a bit of my wiki-time these days trying to help clear the large backlog of unblock requests. In doing so, I typically ask the admins who made the block and/or who declined a previous unblock request to comment, so I can be sure I have the whole story. Within the past few days I think I have pinged you for this purpose three or four times, and may do so again in the future. I just wanted to assure you that this is simply because you make a significant number of blocks that show up on the RFU list, and not because I am particularly focused on your blocks as opposed to anyone else's. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but the latest one you pinged me to was hardly part of a backlog.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, but part of dealing with backlogs is to avoid them in the first place by keeping up with current requests as well. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Newyorkbrad, while you're doing that, can you maybe see when we get our checks for all those blocks? I haven't seen a check from San Francisco in forever. Drmies (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I get paid for my blocks. Until now, I've been an UPB. According to Foundation policy, only those administrators with a certain minimum # of blocks are paid at the rate of two cents for each 10,000 blocks, so I've thus far earned a dime. I think the policy is unduly restrictive, so if you like, I'm happy to send you six cents for yours - just let me know the address.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
    • If my unblocking someone ever means you owe the Foundation a refund, I'll pay it for you. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Plus interest?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
        • That I can't do—unblock reviews must be disinterested. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
          • • Ha! The exact opposite.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
          • Phew, the last ones I looked at took forever! I guess that's why they were lingering. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
            • This one is, uh, the exact opposite of "lingering".--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Ali Imam Majumder

Hi

Dynamic IP continues to change the dates. Panam2014 (talk) 18:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hamish Ross

Speaking of which...what do you make of this? Odd, huh. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and I have no clue.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Notification issues regarding SPI

How do I make sure that no one notifies me (whether it be talk page messages or pings) regarding an SPI investigation that does not pertain to me in any way? I’ve unsubscribed from that topic (I had forgotten to until today) I understand (well I do now anyways… I didn’t then) that the way I did it wasn’t necessarily the correct way to do it because you reverted the statement with a somewhat angry edit summary; I certainly didn’t mean to cause any problems; I just legitimately didn’t know any better. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

How many editors are pinging you at SPI?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

It isn’t necessarily that anyone is currently; but I have had talk page messages in the past. I just want to ensure that no one does unless it pertains to me; because I’m trying to avoid SPI and similar areas if possible unless it directly affects me.

Because especially GeorgeMemulous did once leave me a talk page message regarding Lokicat (it might still be there if ClueBot hasn’t archived it); but I haven’t had any recently. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. If someone pings you in the future, either ignore it or ask them on their Talk page not to do it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you; and sorry about that comment. Won’t happen again; especially considering that I turned off notifications for that topic (which I had meant to do earlier). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Ahem...

I'm off to bed... perhaps once I wake up you'll realize... Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/AlexLevyOne -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully when you wake up you'll learn how to file a report at SPI properly, not to mention how to use speedy tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Only if you write me a nice tutorial, bbb... :) I tend to be a content producer, I'll let those of you who specialize in this sort of thing do your jobs. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

We have been left some bait

set on a hook but I do not know how to fish for this species. Do you? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Help with this Draft:Yeji (singer)

Dear Bbb23, Pls help with this draft Draft:Yeji (singer). Yeji is the leader of Itzy. She meets the notability requirements as she's featured deeply in multiple WP:RS both locally and internationally. Other members of the band such as Lia (South Korean singer) and Ryujin (rapper) have their pages. I discovered that the draft keeps getting declined for one reason or the other. Also "Yeji (singer)" and "Yeji (dancer)" are redirected to "Itzy

I've made an attempt to improve the draft as required. Please kindly help accept the page since the topic meets WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, WP:SINGER, and WP:BANDMEMBER.

I'm sorry to bother you here. I really don't know who else to talk to because most of the editors at WP:AFC always find it easy to decline draft even when the topic meets notability status. Hoping to hear from you. Thanks Pama Ati Utecu (talk) 22:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The majority of the editors at AFC are very good at what they do, and more than one of them has rejected the draft. I see no need for me to interfere in the process.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Bbb23 for prompt reply. Indeed, this is becoming very frustrating. I'm worried about the attitude of this user named "Paper9oll". He keeps frustrating all effort being made to get this page published. I made effort to settle the issue of sources cited on the draft at AFC. I came up with a rather neutral draft in line with WP:NPOV. Take a look at the draft version I submitted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Yeji_(singer)&oldid=1247567168

He reverted all the edits minutes after and withdrew the draft from submission. He still wants the old problem of unreliable sources to still remain. This is very worrisome. He has always been at the forefront of declining the draft despite all efforts being made to settle the concerns.

Can't one get justice on English wikipedia? Yeji is the leader of Itzy. Other members who are less notable than her have their wiki pages. Yeji clearly meets the notability requirements. Please I am pleading one more time, can you help with this? It's been a very long battle. I believe there are external forces behind all of this. But, I simply want the right thing to be done. If Yeji is not notable, then, there's no need having her on English wikipedia. But truly, She is. Please, help. Thanks again in advance. Pama Ati Utecu (talk) 05:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

"External forces"? Get a grip. You shouldn't be editing Wikipedia if you leap to vague conspiracy theories when you don't get what you want. If you disagree with the changes Paper9oll made to the draft, which anyone can edit, not just you, you can discuss the matter with them on the draft Talk page. Paper9oll is a very experienced editor, and their version of the draft appears to be far better than yours.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Possible block evasion

Hi

another IP continue disruptive editing on Ali Imam Majumder Panam2014 (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for block evasion.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

False administrator

Hi

Despite a message in his talk page, this user continue to style himself as WP administrator. Any solution? Panam2014 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I blanked their userpage, but unless the user is being disruptive in some other way, there's not much to be done if they put it back.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Revoke TPA

Hey, mind if you revoke this IP's TPA, and revdel the talk page? Much thanks appreciated! 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥^{(ContainThisEmber?)} 15:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Done and done.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Chuck Norisss

I went into full indecision mode lol. Sorry if my AIV report was confusing. I was going for final warning then changed my mind. I couldn't decide what to do, eek. Knitsey (talk) 16:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Not really confusing, more like you were dithering. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I was dithering lol. Full on dither mode. Knitsey (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Go get 'em! Dithering is really underrated.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

About my edit on Someeditor7's talk page

I disagree with your reasoning for the revert. The link as it current appears leads to the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents page with no indication of what happened with that user. I have no will to stir up drama in any way, I just wanted to make the link actually go to where it's supposed to go. SelfCloak (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate warning

Hello,

I believe this warning was inappropriate. It's inappropriate to claim contesting a block is vandalism. I am considering taking you to ANI for such tomfoolery. _pbp 21:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

As long as you don't repeat what you did, I don't much care what you do, but taking me to ANI is likely to result in WP:BOOMERANG.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Tejas pratihar sock

Hi, a new user is attempting to attempting to restore sock edits(one of which you blocked today) on Uttarakhand [6][7] Ratnahastin (talk) 11:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

It's not as obvious to me; you'll have to take it to SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Risk Possible Block

Good evening. Please what am I doing wrong? I was asked by the owner to edit his wiki page so please tell me what I am doing wrong Tebek EU (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Let's keep this on your Talk page. There is now "owner" of an article. More on this on your talk page. Stop editing the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

My sincere apologies and pardon me for bothering you but I really need your help or please refer me to where newbies can go to as I’m not a technical person . Thank you Tebek EU (talk) 18:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Recent G10

Could you take another look at Gaurav Srivastava scandal? It seems to have reasonable sourcing (though not invariably), including a profile in the WSJ. It might be better trimmed than removed. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that G10 is broader than just a negative unsourced BLP, that it encompasses articles that do nothing but attack even if sources support the negative material. OTOH, that would mean that many articles about criminals would be attack pages. So, now having dithered a bit, if you think the article should be restored, go right ahead. Trimming it sounds like a good idea.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether I should or not, pretty much for the same dichotomy you list above. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

You might be interested in the related SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Acmeism.Data. Apocheir (talk) 03:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that is absolutely no surprise. Restoring. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Sock?

Hi, does this look like Infinity Sagax, whom you blocked yesterday? Shall I open an SPI, or just take it to AIV? Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Good enough for me, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Northern California Golf Association

Didn't realize this. By any chance can you restore it to my userspace here? Would like to start with something if there is anything salvageable. CNMall41 (talk) 21:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd rather restore it to draft space. Will that work?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Even better. Thank you. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Northern California Golf Association.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Theracerboy

Hi, this one looks like a sock of User:Theracerboy and User:Iammrscott. Thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Yup, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

help.

I accidentally leaked my IP on Wikidata on the 2015 DM319 page! Can you please hide it? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 12:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

You'll have to ask an admin or WP:OS at Wikidata.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

ok MJGTMKME123 (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Lycée Joss

Thanks for your note. I see you have draftified the article which I would have preferred to do myself but it was already outside the 90-day window. As it had been tagged for months with no improvement I asked for speedy deletion and if that was rejected my next step was AfD. Mccapra (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

But WP:A7 doesn't apply to schools.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes thank you I had indeed forgotten that. Mccapra (talk) 16:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

New block evasion

Hi

Could you look to Marxsafe? Involved in Bangladesh politics Panam2014 (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I need more information. Whose block are they evading?--Bbb23 (talk) 11:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

sock of the IP blocked twice Panam2014 (talk) 01:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Andrew5

You mind taking a look at my talk page where it says “trouted” and “a toast sandwich to you” and see if it doesn’t scream the same A5 sock that trolled me a couple months ago? Because this guy trouted me for no apparent reason; and when I asked him, he said “someone told me to report you for some reason”; and he also trouted Sir MemeGod, also for no apparent reason. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I also just now found out that this guy mysteriously trouted WeatherWriter too. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a link of the A5 sock that trolled you?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment I warned the user about overtrouting on their talk page, and discussed on mine that I personally didn't think they were a sock. Since then, they haven't trouted anyone (except the WT page of trouting as a whole). Your judgement on whether to block on suspicion or bring this to a checkuser. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, the user is HurricaneKirk2024. As I said, I think it's more of a competence problem then block evasion. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The A5 sock that trolled me that I was referring to was several months back and cross-wiki. Plenty of diffs on the SPI archives of him on that. But the trouting incidents (today) I can link. Here, Here, Here, and Here all link to various random troutings. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't need those diffs. Anyway, if you think they're a sock of A5, then go to SPI. George's comments about incompetence are overly charitable in my view. The user should probably be blocked as NOTHERE, but if they were found to be a sock, it would help deleting all the garbagy pages they've created.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

SKINNYSODAQUEEN

Hi, thanks for blocking SKINNYSODAQUEEN for 1 week. Please consider taking a look at this message that they wrote to the reporting user's talk page; clearly WP:NOTHERE. Thanks. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Sigh, you know I saw that Skinny had left a message on DrKay's Talk page and meant to look at it before I blocked but then it dissolved in my feeble brain. If I had seen it, I would have blocked indefinitely, although for something other than NOTHERE, but I hate increasing a block I just made when the user hasn't done anything new since the block. Let's see what happens.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

New Cyonsw sock

User:Xzibitprohibiter left a message on my talk page, trying to discuss the change they want to make and clearly stating they're the same person in the process. I engaged trying to explain things (ping template, stop creating new accounts, ...) which will hopefully help things? FifthFive (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

In future, I suggest reporting new socks to me or, if I'm not around, to SPI. You can engage with the user as you did if you wish, but any kind of appeal now or anytime in the near term, will be absolutely rejected. I've blocked the user. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Fernando Garibay

Hi, thank you for your contributions. There is an ongoing edit war at this article, which I previously reported and was closed with no action. Another editor also reported this but was archived with seemingly no action either. Would appreciate your help, whether by protecting the article or blocking the offending user. 162 etc. (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you.

User:Rpmiro, a new account and apparent sockpuppet, has made an edit today again attempting to introduce the dubious descriptor "polymath" into the article. 162 etc. (talk) 05:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Got it.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Privileges

Hi.Bbb23,can you restore my privileges that you removed on my request an WP:AN. Happy editing --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 05:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. You have a history of requesting permissions removed and then restored. Why is that?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Bb23, Apology for delay in response but Yep! I have a history of requesting permissions removed due to Because when I take a wikibreak from Wikipedia out of extreme disappointment or frustration, then I don't even know whether I would return to editing or not because I have some advanced permissions, they can be removed after a period, so I go on a Wikipedia break from Wikipedia only after getting my rights removed and I like working on the English Wikipedia very much. Highly experienced users like you are not found everywhere and I am happy that I am a user of the English Wikipedia.Happy editing --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 03:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

32.220.174.189

I saw that you were the user to block that IP editor I had just replied to. While I don't disagree with your block of them, I do believe there was a decent chance for proper dialogue with them. Also, did I respond to the editor properly/in a good way? I know I'm still new to Wikipedia and anti-vandalism and all of that, but I want to know if I was on the right track with that message. Sirocco745 (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

2025 Lunar New Year Cup

I just nominated 2025 Lunar New Year Cup for deletion, but realize you've deleted the article in the past. Does the creator seem familiar to you at all? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 12:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

 Confirmed sock, now blocked and tagged.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Kirk 2024’s unfortunate double encounter with SPI

I know, I kinda broke my promise of stepping away from SPI. But I did so this time because of my (recent) involvement with HurricaneKirk2024. As you’ll see in my long rant on the SPI; this pour soul is currently under two different SPI investigations and I don’t believe he is a sockpuppet of either of them.

First Sir MemeGod opened an SPI accusing him of being Andrew5, despite seeing comments from GeorgeMemulous that completely contradict the accusations.

Then, merely 48 hours later; while the A5 SPI was still ongoing mind you; Insendieum opens another SPI accusing him of being Lokicat.

But when you look at this guy’s behavior; he genuinely seems like a new person who has absolutely no idea what he’s doing. He definitely doesn’t “seem to habitually know about SPI” like Andrew5 (quote from the Andrew5 LTA page); in fact, I had to explain to him what a closing administrator does.

So can you go look at both SPIs and see if they should be closed, please? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I will be pinging @Ponyo over here since I just now saw your vacation thingy. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 06:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Update: zzuuzz has closed both SPIs. Kirk ain’t a sockpuppet; it’s very unfortunate that this happened; and now I will be stepping away from SPI again. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Shore Capital Partners is a tag team

I'm not totally sure how to handle it. Apart from the latest IP editor each declares paid editing, and that each works for the SCM marketing department. There is a load of meat puppetry going on here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I note your holiday. There is nothing urgent about this. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

hope you're having a good time. This is just to make sure it sn;tarchived. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: if you’re actually hoping for a quick resolution to whatever it is you’re wanting handled; I’d suggest going to Ponyo and asking her.

(and note to Bbb23 whenever he does see this, my reply here is mainly because I’ve been talk page stalking on account that I don’t have much else to do right now) Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricane Clyde Thanks. I doubt it's urgent, but, Ponyo, perhaps you might take a look, please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

If they're all declaring their PAID/COI status, then there's not much that can be done. I did EC the mains space target Shore Capital Partners to prevent further time-sucking round-robin swaps.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricane Clyde, Ponyo, Timtrent and Bbb23: Just a note, when people move the draft into mainspace, as they have here, I've been either nominating the article for an AfD discussion/speedy deletion (more common), or acknowledged the article is in a state where it would be kept and put a bunch of cleanup tags on it (less common). This can avoid a power struggle, though there doesn't appear to be one at the moment. (talk page watcher) I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it is just an annoyance at present. Meat tag teams micturate me off! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent Yeah, I agree. At least now you have a method of irritating them back for next time. /HalfJoke Both outcomes (being nominated for deletion and cleanup tags) are Very Very Bad from the perspective of a marketing team, but at least one can hope they realize why COI editing is so strongly advised against. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Just as a comment. The draft was apparently declined three times. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

It's rare, but I've seen MfDs happen over repeatedly declined and resubmitted drafts. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hanni Pham

Hi Bbb23, I notice that you have put banned a user on the Hanni (singer) page who was trying to uphold BLP policies. The famous singer is an Australian national with Vietnamese ancestry. The article violated BLP policies from the first edit from a banned user on 14 Aug 2022, which incorrectly referred to her as a "Vietnamese rapper". Some poorly written music articles have repeated his misinformation, stating the singer was born in Vietnam. Those articles are now used as 'reliable' sources to perpetuate lies about her, that have reached Vietnamese nationalist activists. It has puts the innocent singer as a target of online harassment, as reported by the BBC https://www.bbc.com/vietnamese/articles/c97l38yr67zo (and elsewhere) which states the apolitical singer is believed to have betrayed Vietnam. As the singer becomes more well reported by the mainstream news, the importance of the BLP policy to avoid erroneous claims becomes paramount. It is possible that fans of the group in Vietnam may be harassed.[8]

Having looked carefully into the matter, the edit record suggests that your action as an administrator was ostensibly to ban the reporting and resolution of a BLP violation. It seems the novice complainant was stopped from using Wikipedia, but no effort was made to uphold Wikipedia policies, help resolve the issue or to protect singer against slander. When you return in November, can you help me understand why you proceeded in that manner? Travelmite (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

User talk:TheLawMan85

Was wondering if you might revoke TPA access? Their rant might be done, but spreading homophobic slurs just ain't it. Conyo14 (talk) 18:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Elli and I tripped over each other dealing with this (I removed the attacks at essentially the same moment Elli revoked TPA). Floquenbeam (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed we did. Got a tiny bit confused when the PA's disappeared when I went to add the block notice. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Salfanto

Greetings, I'm not sure on how to file a second sockpuppet investigation request on Salfanto. Editor User contributions for Zweiedit - Wikipedia has the similar editing pattern, obvious but I don't want to go into details to not to aid with block evasion. I saw this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Salfanto/Archive but not sure if a filer is supposed to edit that page or to create a new request. Thanks! ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Mistaken unblock

Hello, Bbb23. I owe you an apology. An editor named Combo Panda requested an unblock on UTRS, for a block which dated from four years ago. UTRS gave the blocking administrator as Yunshui, who, as you may know, has not been around for some years. I consulted Ponyo, who blocked a sockpuppet of the user, and she and I agreed to give the editor another chance. Only after I had unblocked did I realise that, although Yunshui's name was given as the blocking administrator by UTRS, in fact he had only removed talk page access, and the original block was from you. I certainly would have consulted you if I had realised. The editor says that they were just a kid four years ago, and have grown up since then. Yamla says there is no CU evidence of recent block-evasion. My thinking is that kids really can grow up within four years; if Wikipedia had existed when I was 13 I would very likely have done some pretty stupid things, which I wouldn't have repeated when I was 17. Please let me know what you think. JBW (talk) 22:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)