User talk:Curly Turkey/Archive/2014

FAC

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/How Brown Saw the Baseball Game/archive2. I'm pinging you as you commented on the first one. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 01:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

List of The Adventures of Tintin characters

Hello Curly Turkey, I am interest in hearing your thoughts about:

• This section? List of The Adventures of Tintin characters#Index of characters by album. It is an entire section in the List of The Adventures of Tintin characters article that lists each character by book.
  • You're using a semicolon to list the characters, which semantically is meant to be used for definition lists. Regular bullet lists useing asterisks would be better. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Agreed, thanks for helping me see reason, and I'm glad you apparently agree having the index section is good.
• This infobox? List of The Adventures of Tintin characters#Allan Thompson It is a test; an infobox has been added to a supporting character appearing in the same list (inspired by Template:Comics character list header and List of Marvel Comics characters)
  • I'm not a fan of those superhero lists. Some things to think about
    • One thing about infoboxes is that there are a lot of editors who believe that they should only summarize what's already in the article or subsection. The lists of appearances are not in the bodies of those subsections.
    • I'm not a fan of collapsible boxes. I realize you're likely doing it to save space, since so many infoboxes will end up running into each other. One problem they cause is with accessibility—they can be difficult for those with disabilities (or those with smartphones) to uncollapse. Personally, for this and the above reason, I'd put the appearances into the body, either in a "So-and-so appeared in X, Y, and Z" style, or in a list. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
      • Alright, I'll remove it. Thanks for reminding me of other types of readers; good point. Some of the prose of a given character actually does mention the books the character appeared in, but not exhaustively, so I thought the infobox could cover the rest ... but not if info-in-box-not-in-prose is frowned upon; thanks for that knowledge.
• This question? Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#List of The Adventures of Tintin characters It was asked today of the good people who monitor Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions, as illustrations should be somehow added to the article.
  • I sympathize with the desire to have a well-illustrated article (check out my ukiyo-e article to see just how much I sympathize), but at the same time nonfree files are an issue with an encyclopaedia whose goal is to be free. Exactly how many images is too many is a legal grey area that only a court can tell us with certainty, so it's best to keep them to a minimum—but of course that "minimum" will be a subject of debate. Personally, I'm on the copyright paranoid end of the spectrum, and would prefer to keep such images off entirely unless doing so does damage to the article. Perhaps a single image with a lot of characters in it would do, if I were to do it, but, like others, you might not like that advice—my attempts at removing the lead image from The End of the Road have been met with resistance (which drives me nuts—it's totally unnecessary, and the only thing keeping that page from being 100% free).
    • Thank-you for sympathizing, I believe you. And the ukiyo-e article looks beautiful! I am in complete agreement with you and with Wikipedia's non-free image policy. Having said that, I agree that the restrained adding of non-free illustrations, especially when no other illustration is actually possible (i.e. Tintin), is okay--but remember, with great restraint. Therefore, I was wondering if three images would be cool for that article, but of course no more than that. You may be right, perhaps only one more, because I do agree with the spirit of what you are saying. However, I'm afraid I disagree with your The End of the Road initiative; as one image for the infobox falls within this kind of "restrained" use. Your ukiyo-e is full of free images so that is irrelevant to this discussion. (Oh, FYI: I saw an error on File:Chikanobu_(1887) "Template without parameter: please specify why the underlying work is public domain", just passing it on to you in case this helps you.)
• The size of this article? Readable prose size is 72K.
  • That's pretty big, but it is a list—one of the issues with having a long page is the strain it puts on a reader's attention. Readers are less likely to read a page like this starting from the first word and continuing through to the last. If you think it's an issue, you could break it up into separate pages—you could break oout the appearances by book list, or you could break it down by subsets of the alphabet. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I guess I'm not imagining anyone reading it from top to bottom, but instead consulting it. I think I can trim this a bit, though. Thanks for your thoughts here too.
• Life in general? Leave your comments. Thanks, I appreciate your expertise. Prhartcom (talk) 01:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Life's good! Everyone at home's managed to keep healthy for the holidays, except for a vomitous Christmas for the youngest. Did you enjoy your holidays? Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
    • I may not have imagined you as a family man! Good show! It is the same with me, however they are older (as yours soon will be). Have a great new year. P.S. I need support on Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Tintin_(character)/archive1, I wonder if you could help when you can? (It has been copyedited for tone recently.) THANKS in advance for that and thanks again for your expertise above and for taking your time. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Update: I have heard that the Tintin article needs an improvement in exactly what you said: Tone. Drat. I am attempting to improve the tone of that article now. I may have to give up this submission and resubmit it again someday. Let me see if I can fix it, though. More later. Prhartcom (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the article closely enough yet to comment on that "strong oppose", but the editor has a point about GA—in fact, some editors believe it should be mandatory to bring an article through GA or at least PR before submitting. If it's your first solo FA, I'd recommend sending it first through GA, and then through GOCE before submitting. Doing so would raise the confidence of potential reviewers (who are volunteers who have to budget their time, after all) that the article is ready, if nothing else. Again, I'm a bit busy until next week, but whether you withdraw or not I'll give the article a close look then. Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Midnightblueowl's recent edits also raise issues of comprehensiveness and stability—for one thing, she added an entire section, which brings down the level of confidence for "comprehensiveness" quite a bit. After seeing just how much there was to add, I'd definitely recommend withdrawal and make sure these issues are sorted out before resubmitting. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:00, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Based on your recommendation I just just requested that this FAC be withdrawn, at least temporarily. I think Midnightblueowl and I can get this whipped into shape in the next month (you are more than welcome to stop by during this) and I can try again. P.S. I am reviewing her article for GA here: Talk:The Black Island/GA1. Thanks again for your thoughts on List of The Adventures of Tintin characters. Prhartcom (talk) 21:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Today's featured article

You took part in the FAC of Waveguide filter which has now been promoted to a featured article. I have nominated it as a candidate for Today's featured article. If you wish, you can support that nomination here. Regards, SpinningSpark 17:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Blind Leading the Blind

The article The Blind Leading the Blind you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Blind Leading the Blind for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LT910001 -- LT910001 (talk) 03:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Your thoughts on Tintin sections

Do you have a moment to give your opinion? Of course you do. Midnightblueowl and I are looking at the new Tintin (character) article and are wondering about the inclusion of certain sections: "Tintinology" and "controversy" sections Prhartcom (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I saw that and was about to comment. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

FAC for A Song for Simeon

I took a little bit to figure out what you were getting at with the instruction on "with some critics": since it's one critic being quoted, is it really "some" who hold this opinion? -- I went through about 10 different directions before thinking "oh shit, that's what Curly Turkey means"--ColonelHenry (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

"Shit" is usually what Curly Turkey means. Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:54, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oh the joys of text communication. lol.--ColonelHenry (talk) 03:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue

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Happy New Year, and welcome to a special double issue of Books & Bytes. We've included a retrospective on the changes and progress TWL has seen over the last year, the results of the survey TWL participants completed in December, some of our plans for the future, a second interview with a Wiki Love Libraries coordinator, and more. Here's to 2014 being a year of expansion and innovation for TWL!

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Shoot me an email

I have Something Black in the American Psyche on a PDF for you. Shoot me an email and I will send it in the reply. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Gertie the Dinosaur

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Gertie the Dinosaur (1914) is an animated short film by American cartoonist Winsor McCay (c. 1867–1934). He first used the film before live audiences as an interactive part of his vaudeville act: the frisky, childlike Gertie did tricks at the command of her master. His employer, newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, later curtailed McCay's vaudeville activities, so McCay added a live-action introductory sequence to the film for its theatrical release. Gertie was the first film to use animation techniques such as keyframes, registration marks, tracing paper, the Mutoscope action viewer, and animation loops. Although Gertie is popularly thought to be the earliest animated film, it was McCay's third, and his earlier films were preceded by animation made at least as far back as J. Stuart Blackton's 1900 film The Enchanted Drawing. Gertie influenced the next generation of animators, including the Fleischer brothers, Otto Messmer, Paul Terry, and Walt Disney. McCay abandoned a sequel, Gertie on Tour (c. 1921), after producing about a minute of footage. Gertie is the best preserved of his films—others are lost or in fragments—and has been preserved in the US National Film Registry. (Full article...)

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Lovely! + the reference to my name (I almost feel pictured) and the glorious line under the image in the infobox! Precious again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of A Contract with God

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article A Contract with God you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Maunus -- Maunus (talk) 18:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I've posted my first set of comments. Looking forward to hearing your own.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 January 30#File:A Contract with God - back - Baronet trade paper.jpg concerning an article you have edited. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, you're probably right about the back cover, now that I think about it. That might just have been me being overenthusiastic. If you want to take it down or wait for the admin to do it, either way, it's certainly OK on my end. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of A Contract with God

The article A Contract with God you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:A Contract with God for comments about the article. Well done! Well done! User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:15, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! --Tenebrae (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'm planning to put this thing up for FAC sometime this year, so if either of you have any more nitpicks or sources to add, please Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)!

Comics series vs Series of comics

Hello! Today an anon IP in good faith changed the first sentence of one of the Tintin articles (The Castafiore Emerald) from "the comics series" to "the series of comics". I reverted it, but since I do enjoy questioning seemingly insignificant reality, what do you think? Keep as it is, or were they on to something? Prhartcom (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, and thanks for your quick reply. I thought that maybe they were on to something, as I realized it didn't sound too bad actually, but I wasn't sure. That's fine. As you know, I just got the first sentence consistent across all the Tintin articles, so I am not in favor of changing. Let me know if you ever think of anything that is truly better, but it's fine for now. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree; that's why I wanted to run it by you. I'm glad to get your thoughts. This is an interesting one. Prhartcom (talk) 00:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Blurb image changed

Curly Turkey, I've changed the blurb image to File:Fuck film interview grid.tif, per your suggestion at Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#Nonspecific_date_1. Perhaps you could revisit? Thank you for your helpful suggestion, — Cirt (talk) 02:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Peer review response

Thank you for your helpful comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.

I agreed with all of your suggestions, so I've directly implemented them all.

Cheers,

— Cirt (talk) 02:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Gertie the Dinosaur

Congratulations on the Main Page appearance! :) Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:13, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

The Blind Leading the Blind

What are your intentions here? Its a fine article. Ceoil (talk) 00:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Ceoil: Well, thanks for the kind words! Is this in response to something, or just a general question? I'm hoping to bring it to FA, but I can't shake the feeling something's missing in the "Legacy" section (two centuries of silence!), and I came across a mention somewhere of an untranslated analysis in German that I've been unsuccessful at tracking down (can't remember the name or author of it now, I think it was from the 1930s, and is supposed to have made comparisons to the Wheel of Fortune and certain other things).

It's unlikely I'll be doing any more research on it soon. I've got university courses eating up my free time. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:49, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

A general question. I liked the way the article had been developing before the PR, but havnt seen much happening since. Ceoil (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, the article's on my list of priorities, it's just that Wikipedia itself has been low on my list of priorities this year, and I have other articles queued up for FAC as well (here's one!). Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

• A painting? Unrelated to comics? I am both surprised and impressed. Good job! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Not as unrelated as you think! I got into Bruegel after reading about him in an interview with Robert Crumb. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Of course, but still (topically) unrelated... and very different subjects to write about. I know... I'm terrible at writing art articles, and I'm not that proud of my three attempts so far (Extermination of Evil, The Princess from the Land of Porcelain, and Streatham portrait). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
      • Well, I get where you're coming from—I'd love to take a stab at, say, the Avro Arrow article, but aspects of it seem beyond my reach (and I'm surprised I got as far as I did with the Japanese serow article—even with a great big helping hand). I always have had quite a bit of an interest in art and literature, though—I decided to devote myself mostly to comics articles mainly because they're all shit, which gives me a lot of unhindered work to do (unhindered because the Comics project doesn't pay much attention to non-superhero articles, which is all I care about). What gave you trouble with those painting articles, and what leaves you unsatisfied about them? Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
        • The descriptions of the works themselves (didn't find much discussion of it for any of them, though I think the Streatham portrait has a good source... just need to see if it's reliable or not), and the themes. My post-secondary education is in Indonesian literature, which has entirely different tropes and themes than European works. I couldn't tell you, for instance, that fleurs-de-lis were not allowed to be worn by non-kings and queens until I read that same statement elsewhere. To be honest, I almost always write painting articles only because I want the painting to be featured at POTD (I've done articles on films, like Island of Lost Men, for the same reason). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
        • I'm disappointed at the lack of comprehensiveness in Extermination, and the Influences section in Princess is ... ugh... (Reception could use more reviews too). The Streatham portrait is probably in the best shape, though I think the description still needs serious work. The author of this, J. Stephan Edwards, completed his doctoral thesis on Jane, and he's been cited by Yale Alumni Magazine, so that source may be an RS... if it is, that article and a couple others on the site might push this into GA territory. Or perhaps my standards are too high after seeing so much of Ceoil and Victoria's fantastic work? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
          • Well, I don't think they're articles to be unproud of. If it's a matter of sources, I guess there's not always a lot to do about that, especially as, being overseas, you're kinda locked out of good non-online sources. And sometimes the sources just don't exist—I'm sure I could do an awesome article on Cartooning if there were only a few half-decent, serious sources on the subject. Almost motivates me to want to write a book myself ... I was thinking the Streatham portarait looked pretty complete (though I haven't actually read it yet), and your Hekija-e is far more comprehensive than the Japanese article. I guess motivation is a big thing, too—I did The Blind because I really wanted to see a couple of the underdeveloped Bruegel articles worked up (still got my eye on a couple of others). Maybe the whole issue is that you've got a pile of FAs and GAs under your belt, so anything less seems inadequate now? (holy shit, I just looked at the list of 'em—they don't even fit on a page) Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
            • *shrug* Perhaps. I know motivation is a major factor; Ruma Maida was essentially at FA comprehensiveness within 24 hours of me watching it, because I thought it was a cool movie, and I've been so interested in Roekiah that I took advantage of my visit to Sinematek Indonesia to find sources on her despite it not quite being related to my graduate thesis (on the adaptation of novels into films in the Indies; she was never in one). And yet, despite having decent sources, I haven't revisited Titiek Puspa in years [despite having a 400 page biography now, although that's maybe 25% pictures], and D. Djajakusuma could use some more work with the biography I purchased in Jakarta last December). If you do get Blind up to FAC, don't be afraid to ping me. I think it would be interesting to review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
              • Well, now having seen the rate at which you crank out these articles, perhaps "lack of motivation" ain't the issue—maybe it's just finding room in your busy schedule. Motivation's definitely subject to caprice—I never originally intended to do any of those McCay films until I realized I had all the sources I need at my fingertips, and Gertie's anniversary was coming up. I'll likely never do another film.
                Thanks for offering to look at The Blind. I probably won't put it up any time soon, but I'll let you know when I do. Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
                • Darn, and I was rather hoping for another early cartoon. Like that 2 second anime clip ... Katsudō Shashin... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• I wonder how "comprehensive" that'd have to be to make it through FAC Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd say... 3 until 4k, max. Mostly about the discovery and attempts to date it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, you bitch. Now you've gotten me to download, transcode, & upload a copy of the video to Commons, and to fix up the article a bit. I did come across a source—a blog that quotes the Mainichi Shinbun newspaper. I can't find the original source for the article to properly cite it, though, but it's got a little bit more interesting information. Apparently it wasn't hnad-painted to the film, but was done using a pattern method from the late Miji era called kappa printing. I don't understand how it works, but it seems to explain why the colour registration's off (I was wondering). It was on 35mm film that was affixed in a loop (so maybe it wasn't a fragment after all, but was actually the whole film? That's my speculation). Nobuyuki Tsugata speculates it was made without knowledge of any Western animated film, as they were few and not well known, so it was likely the work of Japanese ingenuity. The article's from 2005. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
      • *Eyes twinkling* I must say, being able to read Japanese really helps there. I couldn't find anything more than the YouTube video. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, what Japanese skills I have aren't doing much good with a fun whose nameis simply Motion Picture. Oh, I get a pile of hits, just not helpful ones... Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
        • I'm also getting the feeling that "Katsudô Syasin" is the generic "title" they give to any untitled film they find, so that it's only the "official" title in English sources (as if a translator took "Anonymous" too literally as the name of a writer, or something). Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
          • Now that's hilarious. Oh, I do love translating... and laughing at poor or weird translations. I had a heck of a time trying to figure out why they translated the characters' names in Hero... though come to think of it, it could have been a deliberate choice to lampshade that these are not their real names. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
            • Or maybe because Chinese names are so hard to pronounce. When I was living in Alberta they had a job training program for natives. We had a couple of sisters who were surnamed Powdernose. I couldn't imagine why they would translate that---in their home & native land, no less. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
              • Powdernose? Oh my. I'm just glad Indonesians don't usually translate their names. Someone like Good Things, or Three Good Loves, or... I mean, my ex's name meant "A Revelation from God, April's Flower" or something similar if you wanted to translate it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
                • Japanese names are like that, too, but you often can't tell what they "mean" until they're written down. My wife's name translates as something like "felicitous branch"—but you would never guess that (even as a native) without seeing it written down, so in the end a lot of the names are just like English names—they seem meaningless, until you track down their etymologies. I mean, you'd be surprised, but if you tracked down the etymologies of "Curly" and "Turkey" you'd find they actually have quite deep significance under their opaque exteriors.
                  I'm slowly figuring out some of the stuff about this film—apparently this "kappa" thing was some sort of device for impressing images for magic lanterns. It's hard to make sense of something when the words mean nothing to you in either the base or target language—I didn't know what a magic lantern was. It also looks like 1907 is the earliest proposed date for the thing, but not one accepted yet by the authorities—it appears that Western otaku have glommed onto that date and refuse to let go. Apparently 1915 is another likely date, because there were a number of Western cartoons that were shown in Japan that year, and they may have inspired Katudō Syasin. I'll wait until I've digested some of these sources a bit more before editing the article again, because I don't want to include any more inaccuracies than I already have. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
                  • Fascinating bit about the names. Alright, I'll let you and your need to avoid Wikipedia (somewhat) be. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The blind leading the blind TFA

Fascinating TFA, precious again, the topic mentioned before ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC) User_talk:Salvio_giuliano#The_blind_leading_the_blind

• I can't follow the conversation there, but if you're happy, I'm happy! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:22, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Happy? Look at "just" on top of my talk (twice) and see that I am far from happy. - The conversation is unrelated, derived from the infoboxes case (remember, this case that was started because of too many reverts of new infoboxes, and within a few hours of the proposal was turned into: let's ban one editor and we have peace. Now, that editor wasn't banned but is restricted from adding any infobox, even to his own articles, - someone will need to explain to me how that is any good for the project (or how he is in conflict with himself). He asked to have the restriction lifted for a limited number of articles (biographies that would normally have an infobox), - the arbs say no, someone will need to explain ... - I try to show that the infobox war is a myth ;) - I will need someone to explain how believing in it religiously is any good for the project. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm ...wrong choice of words! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Willing to learn where I chose the wrong words, but this is not clear ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant me! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

You mean "happy"? - Well, I didn't get that ;) - I feel like the one-eyed seeing that we have more important things to do than still thinking about an "infobox war" that was not fought for more than a year, - but I don't have the language to tell the arbitrators who seem to be blind for that. The one who saw it (no foul. play on.) resigned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The infobox wars are over? I guess it's been a while since I've notice a kerfuffle over them, but was there something that brought them to an end? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

As said in the linked discussion: If somebody points out a battle after 2012 (Cosima Wagner on 25 December, one day after her birthday on Christmas, - if that was one) I will learn something new. We have an educated discussion at Chopin (after a new editor inserted an infobox, - how will a new editor ever understand that a composer is different from a scientist?), and several people agree that Siegfried wasn't a battle. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Curly Turkey

Greetings Curly Turkey. I happened to see this thread and wanted to comment. I started to say I saw this "discussion", (mostly from habit), but knew that to call it a discussion was certainly a misnomer; so I changed it to "thread". In fact that is the main reason I wanted to comment here; because it wasn't a discussion, it was the normal bullshit that happens on that talk page. I wanted to make sure at least someone told you that it would have been nearly impossible for you to have approached the matter any better, or to have magically found the right prose to have been more clear. It's nothing but a damn shame that you practically apologized three or four times for having done nothing wrong; in fact you were made to feel an apology was required because you had done everything about as right as anyone could hope to have done. I guess I just wanted to be sure you were unequivocally clear about where the bullshit was coming from, and to kinda know that you had metaphorically stumbled into the twilight zone; forced to see things you would have been exponentially better off to not have seen. I don't know why we act as if we must have this pathetic place on Wikipedia, but it is practically certain that Jimbo Wales could post a comment in that debased area, then be told by the smart dumb guy who runs the place to go fuck his self, and then have ten or more well respected administrators explain how it was all his fault anyway. I wish I didn't feel a need to ensure that you were aware of these things, but because I did feel such a need, I made sure that you knew. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the pat on the back. I was well aware of who I was dealing with when I posted the question. I'd assumed I'd have my intelligence gratuitously insulted, and then either get my answer or not—I was curious enough about his reasoning, and knowing whom I was questioning it'd've been hard to take the inevitable insults personally. I didn't expect the headgames or the accusation of "personal attacks". It demonstrates the emptiness of his brokenrecord-ing about how "honest" he is compared to the whole rest of Wikipedia. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:24, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Ukiyo-e copyright years

Hi, I see that two of the web references have (2001–2002a) and (2001–2002b), but that is not distinguished on the individual web pages. More out of curiosity than anything else, why the a and b?

The date range fields are just supposed to have numbers, no alpha characters, so that would be helpful to know.--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it's standard in many academic styles, and is recommended for Citation Style 1 (read about it here). Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--CaroleHenson (talk) 05:06, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Could I ask you to take a look at my article?

Hello -- I've listed the article Horrible Histories (2009 TV series) at Peer Review, and I was wondering if you could take a look? It's recently been promoted to a GA and the reviewer tells me it has FA potential, so I'm hoping for some help in identifying areas to be brought up to standard before taking it to FA review. Any assistance you could give would be most appreciated. Thanks, Shoebox2 talk 05:22, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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For the discussion about Nanking

I started that discussion but I didn't involve the discussion. I plan to wait maybe 3 days or no more than one week (Or may be 2 weeks like the article deletion nomination) so that each side can offer more sources about this. After this, I will invite all editors who joined this discussion before to find a solution for this discussion. I think in that time, there maybe lots of sources for this discussion. Maybe I will find a way to vote. Is that OK for this?Miracle dream (talk)14:55, 14 February 2014

The table of some estimates of different scholars for the death toll of Nanking Massacre

Hello,

I have roughly constructed a table listing estimates of different scholars in response to the demand of Zmflavius of finding "reliable sources or evidence that indicates support for the figure of 200,000+". However, User:Banzaiblitz keeps removing this table from the discussion page of Nanking Massacre. I do not know why I cannot post this table on the discussion page of Nanking Massacre for discussion. I invite you to visit the table here before I can post it on the discussion page without any bothering. If you have any question or any demand for translation please contact my talk page. I will try reply as soon as possible. --Snorri (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for stopping Banzaiblitz from removing my table. I notice that Banzaiblitz is modifying my comment (see page history here), removing my words and trying to cover up this affair. I do not care about the new "version" of my comment but I feel a little scared because I did not know the one can modify other users' comment. It is like a censorship. What should I do? I do not want to make an edit war with him. --Snorri (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again but Banzaiblitz is removing the content of my table based on his own judgement without any word in the page. I even don't have the chance to react if I did not notice it from the page history, [1]. I don't think it is the right way to discuss. If he has something to say about the contents he should leave a comment, not removing the evidence. I cannot talk with him in edit summary. What should I do?--Snorri (talk) 00:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I saw your proposal in the talk page. I apologize here if I have been acting not calm enough. I think I have always been trying to discuss in a reasonable and peaceful way. However I find that I can no longer communicate with Banzaiblitz if he continues acting like this. At the very present time he deletes MtBell's comment and modifies my comment again (see here). I can discuss with him if he just leaves comments to discuss about my sources. But if he deleted them directly without leaving any comment, I do not know how to discuss with him. I collected and sorted these sources with great care and presented them to reply to Zmflavius (Not Banzaiblitz), but got deleted again and again. I have to think that Banzaiblitz is doing this on purpose to interrupt the discussion. --Snorri (talk) 00:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I saw Banzaiblitz made another table listing the Japanese side estimates (mainly Japanese, with a few Westerners) ranging from 40,000 to 200,000. I think the two table adding up present a quite complete picture of the current estimates (not including the mutual critics made by historians of each side). The problem is that Banzaiblitz seems to be rather unreasonable when it comes to the arguments that he does not like. It is in fact very pitiful because we are actually very close to a good solution if we keep to discuss in a reasonable and sincere way. --Snorri (talk) 03:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

NYT

Hi, I've emailed you about the NYT article. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Maus

What do you mean that there's "far too much emphasis" placed on the two-volume nature of the book? It is a book in two volumes, which were each published separately, some years apart; you can still, today, easily find each volume separately in libraries or stores. The first paragraph clearly explains the situation of the two volumes and if you think it doesn't emphasize this enough, why don't we just straightforwardly say that it is a single book originally published in two volumes? Wolfdog (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Wolfdog: Be sure of your facts before criticizing the guy who researched, wrote, and reffed the article, and brought it through the whole Good Article and Featured Article processes. Spiegelman never envisioned Maus as a two-volume book—that was done as an expedient (as detialed in the article body—have you read it?), and it later caused confusion, as when Ted Rall made high-profile, assinine comments about the second volume as a sequel (read it here), which led to the whole legal kerfuffle with Danny Hellman (and Legal Action Comics, etc). The article talks about the two volumes in the body—there is no need whatsoever to emphasize this publication trivia in the lead, any more than we should be listing the names of the individual chapters (which is how the book was orginally published—the two-volume version was but a stop along the way). Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I never criticized you. I was only discussing the reality of how the book ended up being actually published. Your point is made. Wolfdog (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you feel that the mention of "porcupines" is a relevant point at all in the article? I'm wondering why it's included when we're trying to trim some of the trivial fat. Ideas? Wolfdog (talk) 01:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's trivial at all—a lot of readers are going to wonder how Spiegelman feels about Israel, and besides it has been noted by an awful lot of sources. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

There's more to it than that, though—in light of all the issues with choosing animals for races in the first place (what animal should Françoise be? Was the one guy who claimed to German really a German or a Jew, and how should it be presented?)—why would Spiegelman think of choosing an animal other than a mouse for the Israelis? A hint is there in the article—Hirsch suggests it's the relations of the characters that create their representations—the European and American Jews see/saw themselves as victims, while the Israelis have a stronger self-image—and Françoise is a mouse because of her association with Art and his (at least perceived) victimhood. It's a comment that seems flippant, but really gets to the heart of one of the key themes of the book. Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I wasn't clear on all the sources focused on such a seemingly throwaway line. On another note, I again tried to revise the run-on involving Anja's fear of mice. Hope it seems more sensible now. Wolfdog (talk) 04:27, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Right now I see a bigger problem than the quality of the prose—I can find the nazi attack dogs in WolfWolk's book, but not the bit about Anja being afraid of mice. It's definitely not on the same page as the attack dogs bit. These things need page references—do you have the book? Can you confirm which page this is on? If not, we can track down another source—it's unlikely nobody's mentioned it (Maus is one of those books that everyone and his cat has seemed to've written about). Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

congratulations

Congratulations on Gods' Man getting promoted to FA...perhaps you'd like to raise it at TFA (hint hint). --ColonelHenry (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Requested Moves?

WP:Requested moves#Backlog Since you have shown familiarity with article naming issues and the MOS guidelines for WP:COMMONNAME, you might want to look into the discussion at Talk:Joseph Schereschewsky#Move back to SIJ Schereschewksy?. The question is whether to move the article back to a name of reasonably long standing. Toward the end of the discussion there is a Summary ch (talk) 06:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Al Plastino

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Barnstar for you

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		Congratulations on a much-deserved FA star for Gods' Man and for all you do on the subject of graphic novels and wordless novels. It has been an immense pleasure and learning experience reading your work. --ColonelHenry (talk) 00:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, wasn't that pleasant! Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Comics written by Harvey Kurtzman

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Belated apology

Hello Curly,

Just to say that this was a rash reaction that I soon wished to undo, but found that I'd lost my Internet connection. It's taken until yesterday to restore it, so my apologies for this belated apology.

Best wishes,
Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, no problem. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:56, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article

Notifying you, as you participated in the peer review for the article:

I've nominated Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article candidacy.

Comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 05:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your helpful suggestions! I've responded, at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1. Perhaps you could revisit your position there? — Cirt (talk) 06:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Mind if I move your addressed comments to the talk page? — Cirt (talk) 06:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead. Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! — Cirt (talk) 06:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Gods' Man to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate it at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,326 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite^Talk 10:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• @Bencherlite: I'd rather hold off on Gods' Man and Wordless novel until, say, a half dozen or so wordless novel articles have been built up—there are quite a number of them, but they're all stubs. It would be disappointing to a reader to come across this whole medium, and then to click through and find nothing but stubs. I have a number of them on my mental "to do" list, and the sources to work them up, just not the time to devote to them. I'll think about one of my other FAs, but none of them really jump out—there are rumours that Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book may come back in print after nearly thirty years—I'd rather not tantalize readers with an unobtainable book; it's only been a month since Gertie the Dinosaur was TFA, so another McCay article is probably not a great idea. Maybe Maus? It'd be completely random, but at the same time I guess I can't think of a date it would be associated with. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Holocaust memorial day? (January 27) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I suppose, but then that means Bencherlite goes nearly a year without any Turkey.
    I've actually got a couple of articles lined up for FAC that I was thinking of proposing, but it could be months yet for them to get through (my articles tend to take their time attracting reviewers). Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ezra Pound

This one, right?

Just wanted to stop by and thank you for the peer review comments, which helped to shed light on a few gaps as well as spawning a few sub-pages. Btw - if you upload that Suzuki Harunobu print will you let me know, or if I'm not around dump it in In a Station of the Metro? That was an interesting bit to uncover that I didn't know about before the peer review, and I particularly wanted to thank you for it. Congrats on the above too! Victoria (tk) 22:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Victoria: Oh, I uploaded it the day you pointed it out to me (and a few others). It's at File:Suzuki Harunobu - Woman Admiring Plum Blossoms at Night.jpg. I've put it in its "logical" place, which ain't too pretty—I'll let you figure out what you want to do with it. Sorry I never got around to finishing reviewing the Pound article, but it looks like it didn't matter—congratulations on that shiny star! Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! It's a lovely print. I'll have to sort that page out and it's fine where it's at right now. Victoria (tk) 00:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

They had quite a few really nicely scanned ones. I'll have to find the time to download the rest of them. Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• The MET? Yes, I ended up starting Der Busant because of one of the tapestries there (needed an article to bring the scan to FPC). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Whoever they have doing the scanning knows their shit—zoom in on File:Suzuki Harunobu - Evening Snow on the Heater.jpg and see how nicely you can see the embossing. In every other image I found of File:Suzuki Harunobu - Woman Admiring Plum Blossoms at Night.jpg the embossing doesn't even show. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Impressive. Very, very, very impressive. That probably means the scanner is set so that the DOF is sufficiently large to get the embossing (but how to do so?). Scanners usually have a very narrow DOF, which is why scans of coins often end up terrible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
      • Right, of course. Everyone knows that. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
        • I'd hope so... (I probably should invest in a scanner... DYK images like this are still photographs?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:02, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar!

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		With thanks for being an important part of the team at Ezra Pound, especially at peer review, and for helping to make it happen. SlimVirgin (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, thank you!—and congrats on the new FA! Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Studying

Really? Me too. I should be revising my thesis, but I am much more tempted by Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I was cleaning up my desk and came across a bunch of photocopies I made from a library book. I managed to retain just enough self-control not to go ahead with the other four books. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I know how you feel. I'm dying to write an article on Roesia nu Goreng Patut (the basis for Karnadi Anemer Bangkong), but thesis comes first. Finish the revisions, get my MA, and then waste hours writing about a novel in a language spoken by few who would read the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
  • @Crisco 1492: So I guess you've got hours to waste now? Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yep, basically. Though I'm still waiting for my friend to finish translating Roesia nu Goreng Patut (I can't read Sundanese; I have an Indonesian-language summary, but the recent printing has a foreword by Ajip Rosidi which I want to use). I also got a photocopied copy of the novel Melati van Agam (1924) in the mail from Malaysia, so that's another article that needs writing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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• I'm not really too worried about when (or if) it hits the main page. If there's a day you'd like to see it featured, go ahead and nominate it. For the record, I'm more concerned with the book's significance as comics than its significance to the Holocaust per se, so it makes no difference to me whether it runs on a Holocaust-related day, a completely random day, Spiegelman's birthday, or not at all. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Thanks! I was wondering how you stumbled across such an obscure article to make copyedits. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Congratulations on the GA! I have nominated it for Did you know, which will hopefully result in the article appearing on the main page. The link is Template:Did you know nominations/Southern Cross (wordless novel). Thanks, Matty.007 14:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, thanks! I didn't even think about DYK. Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Quirky articles make the best hooks... Thanks, Matty.007 11:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Thanks a lot! Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Southern Cross (wordless novel)

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• ! Drmies (talk) 04:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Nope, not even punctuation. Curly Turkey (gobble) 14:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Goodman Beaver is a comics character created by American cartoonist Harvey Kurtzman. Goodman was a naïve and optimistic Candide-like character, oblivious to the corruption and degeneration around him. The stories were vehicles for biting social satire and pop culture parody. Except for the character's first appearance, which Kurtzman did alone, the stories were written by Kurtzman and drawn by Will Elder. Goodman first appeared in a story in Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book in 1959, but the best-remembered strips were the five stories produced by the Kurtzman–Elder team in 1961–62 for the Kurtzman-edited magazine Help! They tended to be in the parodic style Kurtzman had developed when he wrote and edited Mad in the 1950s, but with more pointed, adult-oriented satire and much more refined and detailed artwork on Elder's part, crammed with countless visual gags. The best-known of the Goodman Beaver stories was "Goodman Goes Playboy" (1962). A satire on the hedonistic lifestyle of Hugh Hefner using parodies of Archie comics characters, the story led to a lawsuit from Archie's publisher, although Hefner, the actual target of the strip, found it amusing. (Full article...)

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Thopha saccata redux

this didn't make it through first time round....think we fixed everything we could or explianed why at the Peer Review, so at FAC again - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thopha saccata/archive2 - if you could take a look and compare to first time round that'd be great. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Southern Cross (wordless novel): amongst/among

Dear Curly Turkey: Your recent edit of Southern Cross (wordless novel) is explained

please don't remove double spaces between sentences; "amongst" is common in Canadian English

Language for writing encyclopedias is based on not just what is in ordinary use, but also on what style guides recommend. It is evident that the style guides of the four English-language largest circulating newspapers in Canada deprecate the use of "amongst". Here are the results of searches I performed just now:

• Toronto Star: among 58940; amongst 1941; ratio=30
• The Globe and Mail: among 127086; amongst 2220; ratio=57
• The Gazette (Montreal): among 2345; amongst 22; ratio=107
• The Vancouver Sun: among 6654; amongst 103; ratio=65

Most likely some of the search hits are within direct quotations, where the speaker's exact words would override the newspaper's style guide. Based on these results, I conclude that the four top Canadian newspapers call for writers to use among not amongst. In editing Wikipedia articles, I routinely make changes based on the standards of major style guides, sometimes inferred from overwhelming usage ratios in respected publications. This is what editors do. Sincerely, Anomalocaris (talk) 09:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Until the 1990s some of the same newspapers you cite spelled "colour" without a "u", so I wouldn't take them as reflecting Canadian spelling conventions. I grew up in Southern Ontario saying "amongst" and still do—I have yet to see anyone bat an eyelash over it. You're "fixing" something that was never broken, and your condescending lecturing tone makes your argument no more convincing. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear Curly Turkey: I wrote my previous message as a reply to your editing statement "'amongst' is common in Canadian English." There is nothing wrong with the word amongst. It's a perfectly good word. That doesn't mean it is the best choice for encyclopedic work. In Scotland nobody would bat an eyelash over bonnie wee lassie, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia should use that phrase out of quotation to describe a pretty girl, and in fact every use of that phrase in Wikipedia is a quotation of a speaker, poem, or lyric. If you feel condescended or lectured to, that was not my intent. How else am I suppose to explain my perspective and my editing procedures? By the way, I just checked the next four largest English-language newspapers in Canada, and the pattern continues:

• Toronto Sun: among 46400; amongst 1190; ratio=39
• The Province (Vancouver): among 1799; amongst 31; ratio=58
• National Post: among over 500; amongst over 500; "among Canadians" 185; "amongst Canadians" 4; ratio=46
• Calgary Herald: among 3272; amongst 83; ratio=39

Moreover, Hansard Association of Canada's Style Guide (pdf) says on page 43:

among (no -st)

and, since you mentioned it, on page 47:

colour, but coloration

I conclude that the top eight Canadian English newspapers as well as Hansard all call for writers to use among not amongst. Again, amongst is a perfectly good word, but it is a word deprecated for professional writing by those who set the standard for professional writing in Canada. In the interest of civility and to avoid pointless reversions, since your reversion I have not edited and I do not plan to edit Southern Cross (wordless novel). Sincerely, Anomalocaris (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If I "feel condescended or lectured to", it's because you invaded my talk page with your condescending "This is what editors do" lecture. For the record, every one of the papers you cite have used "amongst" within recent days—including up to yesterday—and the CBC apparently has no problem with it at all, even in article titles dated April 2014. So much for "deprecated". And if you think "colour" vs "coloration" has anything to do with what I was saying about 20th-century Canadian newspapers preferring "color", maybe you should do some research instead of harassing productive editors. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:17, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Curly Turkey for Goodman Beaver

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Goodman Beaver. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

precious again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014 GA Thanks

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for your editorial contributions to Windsor McCay.

This user helped promote Windsor McCay to good article status.

.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Look at the categories in his article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The article says he lived in Chicago for a couple of years.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

Well, looks like I missed the boat by a couple days, but I just wanted to stop by to congratulate you on reaching the front page (again). :D That's always a nice accomplishment, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't think we've crossed paths since Mulberry Street failed to make FA. Me, I'm not worried about that one bit. I think the article's in really nice shape now, and I'm proud of the work we accomplished on it. Thank you again for working on it with me.

FYI: I've given up writing about Dr. Seuss, at least for now. I mean, I knew those library books would have to go back sooner or later. But I'm working on articles about E.B White's children's books now. He only wrote three of those -- which is a hell of a lot more manageable than the 40 or so Seuss wrote. :D

Anyhoo, have a good one! Bobnorwal (talk) 04:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Bob: Well, thanks for the kind words. The only White book I've read is Charlotte's Web, although I've got Stuart Little on the shelf with plans to read it to the offspring one of these days. Even if you're giving the Seuss books a break, I really think Mulberry Street is in good shape for an FA, if you wanted to renominate. If there are still sources outstanding, we could always ask for them at Resource Exchange—I could do it myself if you're not up to it. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Joehana

Thanks for the GA review. Quick question: is Moriyama's book giving you a 404 error as well? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed. I don't think it's blocked---when they're blocked you just get redirected to the info page. Maybe it was deleted, but wasn't removed from the search index or something? If they're blocked where you are, you can use a VPN to get around the block pretty easily. I've used JustFreeVPN a few times before. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Blast, and they don't have a hard copy in my university's library (mind you, almost nobody studies Sundanese literature at my university, so I didn't expect them to have it). Alright... guess I'll have to give this some time before PR-ing for FAC. Maybe I'll trawl Jstor. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• And that was ridiculously fast. Nothing for Joehana, and Yuhana gives nothing but Bible studies and... for some reason... something about traditional Japanese lit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • "Yuhana" does sound like a typical Japanese word, though not one I'm familiar with. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
    • No luck at Project MUSE or Questia either. Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Google gives this line from a poem by Kakinomoto no Hitomaro, "yuhana no sakayuru toki ni" (translated as "but just at the time of the flourishing blossoms" in this book)... perhaps that's what's being quoted. Oh well. (While we're at it, the ukiyo-e of the poet looks quite nice... shame it's from a thousand years after his death) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll probably wait a week or two to see if Moriyama's book becomes available again, then go to PR. It would be nice to have such a niche topic at FAC. Mind you, I don't think I do anything other than niche topics. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• And, of course, a Japanese source which may or may not be useful. Which is on our blacklist, so I can't give it to you here. Blah and blah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Dropbox. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Is this the same Moriyama? I've only skimmed it because I'm on my phone, but I only see Joehana mentioned in the bibliography, and then there's something about wawacan's influence (?) on 1920s Sundanese novels. I'll give it a closer look tomorrow. Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Looks like it. I'd be very surprised if there were two people with the same surname with a fixation on the same geotemporal location. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, by "the same Moriyama" I meant "the same Moriyama article". Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I skimmed through it again and I don't see Joehanna actually mentioned in the body. All I see is something about how the novel took over from the wawacan by about 1930 or so, and how these novels reflected new values and realities within traditional Sundanese culture or something. The one Joehana book is listed as a reference, but it's notclear to me how it's being referenced. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Page 115 has one novel by Joehana mentioned. Mind you, it's probably best to just find the blasted Moriyama book. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Right. In 1930 that book had an advertisement on the cover (?) That listed 57 books in Sundanese published by Dachlan-Bekti. Most of the books have never been found in libraries, and their authors and years of publication are unknown. Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
        • So, in other words, useless for this article (but very telling for contemporary Sundanese literature, if I ever write an article). Sadly that's not too uncommon... I found an advertisement for a novel by Saeroen called Di Balik Pagar (or something similar) in Delpher's archive, but nothing on the web elsewhere. Also what appears to have been the fate of the novelization of Gagak Item (and the film itself). Three years of occupation, then another four of Revolution, then another 20+ of neglect, will do that to books and films (20 years of neglect: Indonesians have, historically, been terrible with keeping good documents... when Misbach wanted to establish Sinematek Indonesia, for instance, his friends called him crazy... it's better now, but what was lost can only rarely be "unlost").
          • Anywho, thanks for the help. I've asked my friend if she can hunt down a copy of the 1989 printing of Mugiri, and the foreword might offer some more information that can be used. Now to go back to polishing D. Djajakusuma for PR and FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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If you email me, I'll send it across, but it's only actually the first page that mentions Passionate Journey; here's the same article, and here's the original article, showing the first page (which is the one with the mention). J Milburn (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@J Milburn: Thanks a lot. I've added it now. Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Well done on the GA. Nominated for DYK here. I find these wordless novels really interesting, so thanks for bringing them to more attention. Best, Matty.007

I couldn't resist nominating Madman's Drum as well, here. Thanks, Matty.007 18:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, thanks a lot! The last thing I ever expected was to see a rapidfire series on wordless novels on the mainpage! Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth FA procedure

Hey dude, just a to remind you that I've got some questions about your suggestions regarding Megadeth's FA nomination. All the best.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Madman's Drum

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DYK for Passionate Journey

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Wil Wheaton photo discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in the consensus subthread of this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Mega lists

Regarding the flatlist question for Megadeth: any list is highly preferable (because of accessibility, higher value than aesthetics) to comma separator, even if the template documentation doesn't say so. If flatlist doesn't work well, perhaps try {{hlist}}? (Example: BWV 172, for "instrumental") - Plainlist takes too much room for many short entries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• That's what I think, but I'm not one of the main editors of the article, so ultimately it's not my decision. How does hlist differ from flatlist? The output looks the same to me. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

"Spam"?

Something to hide? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

How are you with Japanese cinema?

• I've got a question for you, a ... departure ... from the normal stuff I work on, and the normal stuff we talk about. How would you feel about collaborating on Okuribito? I just finished watching it, and I'm not afraid to say that I cried more than for any film since the first 10 minutes of Up. It should be at least a GA, especially considering the international attention it's received (and the quality of the movie, IMHO), but I don't read Japanese, nor do I have access to Japanese sources. I'd handle English sources and help with French (my passive French is still somewhat up to par), and you could focus on Japanese sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
  • If you're not in a rush, I'll see what I can do. A Google book search seems to turn up stuff about the book rather than the movie. I'm not really a film buff, though, so it might take me a while to figure out just where the appropriate sources would be—so far I've found some short news articles and a whole lotta blogs. Never heard of the movie (don't be surprised—it's been quite some time since I've seen a "grown-up" film!) but I'm hoping the fact that Shizuoka is sister cities with Cannes means there'll be decent paper sources on film in general in town somewhere. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, I've tracked down some of Ghibli's work here (surprisingly difficult), and so far my wife and I have watched Totoro, Pom Poko, Mononoke hime, and Hotaru no haka; I think the last was my favourite, although all of them were quite enjoyable. Anywho, later (assuming I have time) I'll polish the plot section and try to hunt down some online sources. Paywall sources might require me to pull in a few favours, but doing so shouldn't be that difficult. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Ghibli's not popular in Indonesia? I thought they'd penetrated everywhere since Disney got the distribution rights. The only movie that seems to matter at home these days is Frozen ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
        • Not as mainstream, I guess. Indonesians seem to prefer more recent stuff. And Doraemon. Doraemon remains popular, both in animated and comic form. As for Frozen... yeah, the kids still seem to only talk about it. They didn't react this strongly to Tangled! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • Doraemon! I'd be surprised if that ever made it into English, even given the J-Pop boom. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • Spoke too soon! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • "Fudgy pudgy pie"!?! Kill me now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
            • I believe the common internet term is Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*****. Why, though? Why change the character names? Indonesia doesn't (they add a T to Gian, but that's it), and it doesn't look like India does (I somehow ended up with a Hindi copy of the Doraemon and Pirates vs time-travelling gene splicers film). Why English? And... fudgy pudgy pie? Really?
            • Anyways, my wife was saying that Doraemon got to be so popular that there were Doraemon noodles, and most bakeries began stocking dorayaki. We can still get dorayaki, but it's become more difficult. — Crisco 1492 (talk)
              • I'm Sure they did some market research into it, but I still can't wrap my head around how they could change something easy like "Nobita" to (still foreign-sounding) "Noby", but they left "Doraemon" as is. I wonder how a typical monolingual Anglophone even pronounces that... And imagine the surprise some American kid will get if they get their hands on a Fudgy Pudgie Pie™...and then find their mouth full of beans! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
                • C'est la vie, I guess. So long as they don't try and capitalise on Naruto and change Shizuka to Sakura or something. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-05-21/Featured_content

I'm not entirely happy with my description of A Contract with God - if you can improve it, please do. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe this is better? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Tintin in Tibet

Hello, well-regarded Curly Turkey! Tintin in Tibet is now GA, after weeks of rollicking fun reviewing it. I would be honoured to receive your review, in the form of comments or edits. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• @Prhartcom: I'm happy to look at at, but I'm actually a bit busy for the next week or so, so it may take me until early June to take a look at it. If I haven't stopped in by then, gimme a tap on the shoulder. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) If RL is keeping you busy, don't worry about forcing "Departures" on yourself just yet. I'll do what I can with the English sources. I've ordered the Region 1 DVD as well, which should let me use the interview. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I do have a tendency to put off the schoolwork I have to do for WP stuff. It'll all depend on my willpower, but I really do have a number important things to get out of the way by the end of May. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
    • In that case, I think my answer should be obvious... RL first. I'll polish up what I can. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Oh, I know that real life comes first, as does every crack addict ... I can promise you, if it weren't Departures it'd be something else ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:41, 24 May 2014 (UTC) (In other words, I'm not sitting here thinking, "Oh! Those Departures reviews for Crisco!"—I'm thinking, "Hey, I wonder what's happened at Wikipedia in the last ten minutes ..." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
      • (talk page stalker) I can relate; if it's any consolation: I am presently also in an education mode in RL with a comically close May 31 culmination date. Good luck. Prhartcom (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
        • • Best of luck to the both of you. I should probably be preparing for my doctoral thesis (a history of film adaptation in Indonesia isn't gonna write itself, you know) but the temptation... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
        • Like, say, Ukiyo-e? (Speaking of which, I'm thinking the actor print we discussed might be worth an article... even if it's only known for being expensive). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
          • I'm not so sure. It's easy enough to find background info on the prints (what actor in what scene of what play), but I think a list article would be more appropriate, for Sharaku's œuvre (it's small enough and well-catalogued). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of Featured Lists? (says the male temptress... tempter?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

• • • • • • • Yeah. I think it's doable (I've got the sources) but I'm not sure I'd prioritize it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God

Dude! Congrats! "This article has been rated as FA-Class on the project's quality scale." You're the main contributor. Take a virtual bow!   : )   With regards to a good colleague, Tenebrae (talk) 23:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• << bows ever so virtually >> Merci bien for the kind words and the helpful input! One of these days I'll get around to fixing up the Eisner article, too. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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Facepalm

Eric Corbett—the kind of guy who threatens to oppose an FAC over another reviewer's "attitude". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:42, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Smiling. Prhartcom (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Holy horseshit! Does he think I'm the nominator or something? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Note to self: avoid language like this, as it is considered "abuse"; best to fall back on this kind of thing instead. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Winnipeg

Hey Curly Turkey, thanks for your comments and support! Would you mind if I moved your extended commentary to the FAC's talk page? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Fire away! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Merdeka 17805

I've made a stub. There's probably a bit I can work on with Indonesian and English sources, but not too much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you know if it's been released in Indonesia? I read that it was criticized, but it wasn't clear if it was an Indonesian release that was criticized or if it was just the general idea of the film that caught flak. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Indonesian Wikipedia claims it had an Indonesian distributor, and that they worked with Rapi Films, so there may have been. This was, of course, five years before I arrived in the country. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you access this? It should be on page 418. Need a good source for the cast and crew. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe not needed; I found a Kinema Junpo page with most of the data that would have been in there. Mind, if you want a DYK credit, you can add some more to the article and then add yourself to the nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Whoa! You fleshed that out right quick! I'm not blocked from the book, but it says I've met my reading limit(?). This appears to be a RS, and has a list of credits. Do you want me to just throw it in as a list? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

In the infobox you've got hte release date as 12 May 2001 (Indonesia), even though you've got that date for Japan in the body. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, the Kinema Junpo page has much more cast and crew information. I just limited it. Good catch with the infobox. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I never knew I was American

Why didn't my Mum ever tell me? Even people in England know it! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Whatever the rights and wrongs, please don't personalise things. --John (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John Excuse me? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:35, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Please, if you don't mind, raise questions like this without focusing on the individual you are having a dispute with. It isn't helpful, in my opinion. --John (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John: So I'm not allowed to name the other party? I'm not being facetious here—I don't see anything in what you've linked to that I can interperet as "personalizing". All it says is "Can someone please do something about Eric Corbett editwarring over ENGVAR issues at Megadeth?" Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not talking as an admin here, I'm just saying. The personalization is in calling him out by name. It might have been better to say "What do folks think about this issue?" Just saying. Least said, soonest mended, as we say. --John (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John: Durned if you do, durned if you don't, as "us Americans" say. I named Eric and linked to his name (so he'd be pinged) so he couldn't accuse me of doing things behind his back (meanwhile it looks like Eric is talking about me behind my back. It seems fourteen FAs is "nowhere", which apparently "tells its own story".) Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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Removed it from the article as gratuitous; let it be deleted. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Same as above. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Same story. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar

I wasn't sure whether to award you with this or the copyedtor barnstar, but since your input in Megadeth's FAC has also been really constructive, I'll go with this one. Thanks for all the edits (and time spent) on the topic, and I hope we'll get this to FA some day. One thing I've learnt from you for sure is that the prose in good articles has to be as clearest as possible (previously I though that it should be written in a "sophisticated" way). Good luck with your nominations and if I can help you somehow, don't hesitate to call me. Everything the best. Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thanks a lot, Vic! The article still needs work, but it's well on its way. We'll get it there. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Request

Could you have a quick look at Pride and verify I didn't screw up any translations too badly? Shouldn't be any issues, but it's best to check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• I'm on my phone right now, so I can't be too thorough, but one thing jumped out: Nihon o dame ni shita shuppatsu-ten can't possibly be right. Most likely it's "日本をダメにした出発点", but there are different ways of writing it (with the same meaning). If you don't have the quote in the original, you shouldn't simply transliterate. Just leave it in Roman characters. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Official Japanese Websites

Can't say I disagree with you. This is supposed to be the official website of the Yokohama Film Festival? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• And, just to confirm: these two flyers support this (bottom of the screen)? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  • The two PDFs were the front and back of the same flyer, but yes they did support it. The ugly website below is probably better anyways. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
• Scratch that, this lovely pink and green thing does. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't you miss 1997? I remember lovingly installing Netscape Navigator 3 that Christmas ... but seriously, Japanese websites make me want to rip out what little is left of my hair. I wanted to copy & paste my company's mailing address into a document from their brand-spanking-new-for-2011 website, only to find out the address was a GIF. Unstylized, just a fucking text address as a GIF, so I could highlight it. And because it's a GIF, it doesn't scale, and thus looks blurry on my wonking huge 12" display. A sign of why the economy of the country has been tanking for the last two decades? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    • 1997... hmmm... no, I don't miss it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Plofile — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
        • The Élan d'Or Award from the All Nippon Producers Association for film and TV. Okuribito won its Film Department award. TV Taro was a TV Guide-alike that apperently stopped publishing this year. Did the magazine sponsor the Film Department award? I'd just skip the TV Taro bit and say Okuribito won the Élan d'Or Award for Best Film in 2009. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
          • It's called the "作品賞TV　Taro賞" (source). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Well, it's the TV Taro Award for Best Film. "作品賞" just means "award for a work" rather than an actor or producer—it's not part of the award name, it's just a subsection title. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Meaning, it's the Élan d'Or TV Taro Award for Best Film. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
              • Thanks. I've solved our Rooster problem, btw. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Katsudô shashin

Congrats! You're one of very few people writing in a European language to correctly describe this filmstrip as "printed". If you're still interested then, in about a week or two I intend to "publish" a research note on "Japanese color animation before 1940" on my website, which will also cover "Katsudô shashin" on the basis of Mr Matsumoto's publications and further information by him. One correction: With 50 frames at 16 frames/second, the film's length is nearer to 3 seconds than to 4. F. S. Litten at http://litten.de/engl.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:E052:308E:ABDC:3B50 (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

• I did notice a number of English-language sources that claimed the frames were hand-drawn. I have to wonder where they got that—I can't imagine a translation bad enough that would imply that. Of course, that leaves the mystery of why stencils were used in the first place—seems like a pointless extra step. Are the Matsumoto publications you have print sources? Could you tell me what they are? I may be able to track them down at the library. I've had no luck finding stuff online (although there's a lot of stuff by or concerning Matsumoto). I think the "four seconds" was likely based on the length of the video. I've fixed it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Take a look at 松本夏樹; 津堅信之: 国産最古と考えられるアニメーションフィルムの発見について. In: 映像学, no. 76, 2006, pp. 86-105. And: 松本夏樹: 映画渡来前後の家庭用映像機器 幻燈・アニメーション・玩具映画. In: 岩本憲児 (ed.): 日本映画の誕生. Tokyo: Shinwasha, 2011, pp. 95-128. However, by now there is more information which has not been published yet. Some of it will be found in my research note, as well as the likely German background to "Katsudô shashin". As to the use of stencils, you will understand when you read my note (or Matsumoto[2011]). And, by the way, there were 11 loop films in all found at the time. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:25D9:AFA4:CD1F:3C15 (talk) 05:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah, I misread "１０本とともに". They've got two copies of 「日本映画の誕生」 in the city library system, so I'll grab one. Thanks for that, and I'm looking forward to your note—is it for something that will be published? I'm not sure I'll be able to use the note as a source otherwise, which would be a real shame. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
    • (talk page stalker) - No, I don't think that we could, although it would still be interesting reading. Curly, looks like we should hold on for GAC just yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
      • I've already put it up for GAN. I'm grabbing the book tonight. It's unlikely anyone will review the article before I update it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
      • The note will not be published elsewhere, at least not on my initiative. However, two earlier notes (nipper.pdf, ani1917.pdf) like it have already been used on Wikipedia pages (Anime before 1917, Imokawa Mukuzô Genkanban no Maki, etc.), even before one of them was translated and published in Japanese as an "invited research note" in "The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies". (Both notes were also covered in articles in the Mainichi Shinbun, shortly after being up on my website.) You will see that I give sources for (I hope) all claims, and some very nice illustrations. But I've seen enough of Wikipedia (especially the English one) not to get involved in the question of which sources you can use there, or not. I, for one, will even refer to an article in the Japanese Wikipedia in my note. I'll enter the link here, when it's up. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:449E:39CC:B8C6:CD36 (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, if nothing else, I may be able to track down the sources you cite and use them as sources. Either way, I'm looking forward to reading it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

• I've expanded the article a bit with info from 「日本映画の誕生」. I'll get around to adding a (one-paragraph?) prehistory about magic lanterns and toy films when I've digested it first (I don't know anything about this stuff, so I want to make sure I understand it first). It could probably use a (one-paragraph?) post-history as well to put it better in context. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  • That's a good approach, especially when we've got so little information on the film itself. When I wrote articles like Njai Dasima, that's the approach I took. (BTW, I'l do the GA review if you want). Crisco36.73.92.81 (talk) 02:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, just hold off until I get the Plot section to two paragraphs, like Njai Dasima. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
      • For a 3 second film? Good luck! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
        • I have to deal with the narrative's multilayered symbolism. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
          • And, naturally, the importance of each color in Japan's cultural paradigm. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Each frame has its own context that requires analysis—thus I'm developing fifty subsections. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
              • Excellent. Finally the Manhattan Project will have an article ready to dethrone it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                • Very perspicacious. You'll see from Mr Litten's paper that the Manhattan Project was but a footnote in the develoment of Katsudō Shashin. Finally you'll see why the film was "lost" for a century, and the significance of its rediscovery for the denizens of the 21st century. Obvious, of course, when you realize the esteemed academician is studying Japan from Germany. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                  • I see a future, based on Katsudō Shashin, in which all men and women worldwide wear sailor outfits and carry boxes of chalk. There is no war, for all are busy writing their hopes and dreams on chalkboards. Kanji has become the standard writing system throughout the world. And all is well. (On a more serious note, Dr. Litten appears to have done some excellent work on China as well. Google Scholar shows several articles which have been cited more than once; one has been cited twenty times so far) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                    • His list of publications sure looked impressive when I went through them. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • Agree. If he publishes his research note on his website, I think we'd be able to reference it per WP:SPS (as a recognized expert in the field). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • Those Mainichi Shinbun articles and The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies publication would be perfect to affirm this, if we could find copies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • The main page. They have archives, but TOC only. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                        • Well, it'll sure be helpful if we can use it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                          • Well, we should prepare the argument now, like I did with Streatham portrait. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                            • I don't think it'll be hard to prove his credentials. The challenge, I think, will be presenting a "note" as a source. Will it be considered "published" at all? Unpublished works even by field experts, I thought, were not accepted. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                              • Open access on his personal website feels like "published" to me, as I doubt he'd go that far with something he didn't consider ready. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
• To get back to the Katsudô shashin article: Imokawa Mukuzo Genkanban no Maki wasn't the first anime, it came out only in April 1917, as a certain steamed academic (the heat!) noted in a note last July, see the Wikipedia entry (which was not written by me!). And Namakuragatana alias Hanawa Hekonai etc. came out in 1917. Two typos: specualted and Matusmoto. The Mainichi articles don't seem to be online any longer, but if you go to Mr Matsumoto's website (wunderkabinet.org), push the button, and look under "media" you'll find them at the top. (I don't think, however, that the new note will also feature in a Japanese paper; there's nothing really "sensational" in it.) The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies is planning to put its content online, but they are not there yet. If you send me an e-mail, I'll send you a pdf: it is just a translation of a slightly earlier version than the one now on my website. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:92E5:98A1:A1EC:CAC5:CA80 (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks again—I've corrected the typos and sent you off a mail (it should be labelled as coming from "Flakey Foont"—a Robert Crumb character—though I don't recall registering that name). As for the dates, I'll wait until I've got the sources to fix them, as that information contradicts what the current sources in the article say. A question: you transliterate なまくら刀 as "Namakuragatana" (as one would expect), but the Japanese article makes a point of pronouncing it（-かたな）. Do you know anything about this? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Ok, it's online at http://litten.de/fulltext/color.pdf. And you should recognize one non-Japanese picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:92D9:956F:31FD:8B00:67B9 (talk) 06:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Thank you for the link and the interesting read (we could have a paper film article...). Now I've become curious as to whether there has ever been any interest in animated films in Indonesia (the country my research is focused on). Comics, particularly Si Buta dari Gua Hantu (Ganes TH; 1960s), did gain some popularity (although now the market is dominated by Japanese manga), but the only full-length animated Indonesian film I'm aware of is Meraih Mimpi (2008). Shame the subject hasn't been researched very much, AFAIk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Scratch that, Meraih Mimpi was "coproduced" with (read: work mostly done in) Singapore. Homeland in 2003 was animated, apparently. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Ha! I do believe I uploaded that Little Nemo frame (in fact, I think I did the frameshot, from the Masterworks DVD). Do I get a credit? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia get's all the credit. Re Indonesia and animation: I don't know. Animation history is such a vast field, and many parts are badly covered.
        • Sigh... wish it weren't so... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
          • Don't worry, Crisco. Someday our handles will be on the lips of the public everywhere! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• I've been a bold little Turkey and added the note to the sources. I'm still trying to get my head around the magic lantern stuff in such a way as to sum it up in a sentence or two—then I think I'm more or less done except for tweaking. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

George Herriman

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Portrait of Murasaki Shikibu, Kanō Takanobu, Momoyama period

Hi CT, need some help. I'd like to use this image but never uploaded because I can't read the description, source, etc. Can you tell what is said about it? Thanks. Victoria (tk) 20:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've uploaded it. It's a Momoyama-period piece by Kanō Takanobu (if you can read French, fr.wp has a page on him). There's another, larger file of it here—not quite as bright, though. This page suggests the image is only a portion, but none of the other pages say so. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much. It will make a few people happy to see the current lead pic swapped out. Victoria (tk) 21:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Portrait of Murasaki Shikibu, Tosa Mitsuoki, 17th century

Have you seen this one by Tosa Mitsuoki? The Japanese article uses a bad crop of it for their lead image. I'm just thinking that opening with an image that's all negative space at the top is perhaps less than ideal—especially on smaller screens. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm using that in the article and it faces the wrong way for the lead. Huge discussion on the talk page and in archives, a few years old. I agree about the negative space, but there was some concern that the lead image being used was wrong. Well that's an oversimplication. Anyway, I came across this while digging for something entirely different in a sandbox, and decided to give it try. It can be swapped out again, but my feeling is that if it makes people happy to see a 10th century Heian depiction, then I suppose it's okay. Victoria (tk) 21:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes! I'm not going to wade through that—other than to say I don't like the Harunobu. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes is right! And would have been avoided if the Takanobu had been uploaded at the beginning. I couldn't because of the language barrier, so again, thanks. It's growing on me, the dark space, the hint of moon, very Murasaki. Victoria (tk) 23:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As an image unto itself, yeah, it's nice, I was just worried about its positioning. If I think of it, next time I'm in the library I'll see if I can find some scanworthy images. Surely there are mountains worth out there ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

There are. I think that's part of the problem. The challenge was to get the "earliest" but the really early ones have that falling roof style (or looking through the roof style) and individual figures are hard to make out. Thanks, though. Appreciate the offer.Victoria (tk) 23:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• What about cropping some of those "falling roof" images to focus on the individual? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • It looks like they tried that, but they looked like crap. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Once I get home I can give it a go, if you'll just point me to a print worth cropping. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I've found the perfect image. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it's great, but I don't think Daigo Kobayashi wrote Genji. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Arrgh ... totally blows the punchline when you fudge the link. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, sure. I'll work that in. Let me just check precedent. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Departures DVD

Well, Tsutaya's website (here) gives a March 2009 date for them renting the DVD (which I doubt would be that far from the actual release date). No BlueRay? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• There's definitely a BluRay, but I wouldn't trust Amazon's release dates. It says 2011, which is credible, but I find Amazon's dates are far too often way wrong. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Always? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • This search gives the DVD, streaming, rental of the DVD (Amazon does rentals?), and the script. :-s — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
    • The fuck? I could've sworn ... now I can find absolutely nothing. I remember coming across a blog or something that said something about a DVD/BluRay package, but now I see nothing at all. That surely can't be possible! How can this of all movies be lacking a BluRay? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:25, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
      • As of 2011 there was still no announcement for a Japanese BluRay, and the overseas one was Region B and couldn't be played on Japanese players. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Curses, foiled again! I think push comes to shove we can just cite WorldCat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
          • No, I think I totally got it wrong—I don't think there actually is a Japanese BluRay of it, astounding as that sounds. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Unicode

Your recent edits at Little Sammy Sneeze were very helpful, but please watch for Unicode characters because they were broken by the edits. Whatever is used to edit wikitext needs to be told that the text is UTF-8. I believe I fixed the problems, but you may want to check any other articles you have edited with the same procedure. Johnuniq (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• I have no idea what happened there—some of those endashes I hadn't actually touched, so I don't know why they would have saved like that. Please don't remove the double spaces between sentences, by the way. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I still don't know what caused it, but it appears to be working fine now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		Thank you for uploading the Murasaki Shikibu portrait by Kanō Takanobu. Oda Mari (talk) 08:41, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, thank you right back! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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I've been quoted!

Oh my God, an actual book has quoted the words I wrote for the Comics article. Aren't scholars supposed to avoid using Wikipedia? Does this mean I now get to cite myself? Can I use this book to ref the Comics article? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I would totally be all over that citing yourself thing. Now you can put yourself in the article's bibliography. Prhartcom (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe?? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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Chinese perspective etcetc

From the excerpt I read, I believe they meant it either one of two senses. This kinda thing where it's Sim City 2000 style artwork, in that everything is the same scale no matter the distance, or the 三部 deal like this, where the background, midground and foreground act as independent layers that don't truely interact with each other. When they talk about Western perspective, yeah, I think they refer to a mix of isometric projection with a vanishing point, and the effects of lighting seen in chiaroscuro, where shading and tone are manipulated to create a sense of every decreasing distance. I can take a look a little later, but you had the context of the entire text! --Prosperosity (talk) 08:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, that Taiwanese link you put on my page is dead!

MOS:JA suggests we shouldn't :ja: link pages, as if they are important enough they'll have an English Wiki page anyway.

They're linked using {{ill}}, which automagically becomes an en.wp link when an en.wp article is created. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd put the gloss "sepentine posture" with the kanji and romaji as it's a concept (which should be spelt "serpentine posture", by the way).

I have a little bit of an issue that "beauties" is talked about earlier in the article than where it is defined in the Themes and genres section. Is it possible to fix that?

Hmm ... I don't disagree, but I don't immediately see a solution. Let me think about it more. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The flow is a little strange in places. I'll try rewording it a little and see if you prefer my suggestions! --Prosperosity (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

There, what do you think of it like that?.

Your interpretation of 平行遠近法 is in line with mine: that boxes, tables and buildings are depicted in an isometric style, but the entire composition isn't entirely isometric (and these isometric systems may be independent of each other). But I'd like to see the pdf you mentioned! --11:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Katsudō Shashin

The article Katsudō Shashin you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Katsudō Shashin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Zanimum -- Zanimum (talk) 15:22, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

• So are you ready for a new shortest FA ever? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Worth a shot—with any luck such a short article'd get quickly reviewed, unlike my typical nom which sits there for a month and a half. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
    • How long was Mosquito up? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
      • That one wasn't so bad---three weeks & two days. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Then I guess length does have an effect. Having a detailed PR usually helps too (if the people who PR come back to the FAC). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Graphic Storytelling and Visual Narrative

Good save on the Will Eisner book. Got anything for another one of his books, as that one is in some pretty bad shape and may also face the firing squad before long? BOZ (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

• I'm sure there's a review in The Comics Journal or Wizard or something, but I don't have anything. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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• Not one, but two warnings, and after the issue had already been reported and dealt with? Did you even bother reading the diffs you posted? We're taking about a POV-pushing editor repeatedly adding OR and deleting sourced material, and refusing to leave edit comments in response to the rationales for reverting---this ain't no mere "content dispute", as should be obvious. Should be obvious. Why isn't it? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:44, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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A couple of questions

Hello. A wanted to ask some questions regarding WikiRedactor's comments. Is it appropriate to shorten United States to US in the infobox and is it alright to omit "studio albums" as a sub-heading in the discography section. Also left a response at the FAC on your comments. Farewell.--Retrohead (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

• Both "United States" and "U.S." (or "US") are correct and unambiguous, so you can go with whichever you like (I'm the type that likes to spell things out, but that's a personal preference).
• MOS:MUSIC says "Pages on artists, groups or works should have recording and discography sections as appropriate. These should be subdivided into albums and singles, audio and video recordings, or other simple systems as required." I suppose this could be interpreted as not needing the "Studio albums" header, but it certainly doesn't say there shouldn't be one. Again, I think it's a choice. I'm not sure I agree that there should only be studio albums, though. That would mean dropping Kick Out The Jams and Alive! from the MC5's and Kiss's discographies, which is obviously totally unacceptable. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Can you make a suggestion on how to handle the LA Times review (the last not addressed comment of yours)? The review was pointed because Mustaine commented on the diversity of the songs on the 1997 album. That is not connected with the album's mixed reviews, but I'm opened for correcting any existing issue.--Retrohead (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

@Retrohead: Okay, I've dropped the LA Times from the sentence and reworked it. It's clear from the next sentence that it's not just the opinion of the LA Times.

You should really go through the sources, though, to make sure you're not using any more Primary Sources in a BLP-violating way. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

I've spent most of the last two weeks up to my neck of legal and financial paperwork, so I'm still in a mindset of prove it with paperwork rather than an abstract mindset. I gotta (re)learn to think before I act to help avoid these types of situations. I struck my comment, and solve the challenge I made myself by giving a counter example. Sorry for my rash behavior, I'll try to rein it in next time I post here. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, whatever. I just hope you understand that I'm not opposed to the proposal, but to the rationale, and the rush of supporters who clearly didn't even bother to read the rationale. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Katsudō Shashin

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Ask

Bust of Richard Bently by Roubiliac

Two busts serving as bookends.

Shall I nominate the Three Beauties as a DYK for you, or you wan't to do that yourself? Hafspajen (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I can't be bothered with DYK these days, so you can do it---buy I insist the hook be: "Japanese pornographer Utamaro made an woodblock print of the busts of three famous women". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I am afraid that in that case we need to drop it. The word pornographer - that would never work, so many scandals as there were lately at DYK. And in my oppinion, he was not a pornographer either. He made shunga, yes, but that was not pornography but erotic woodprints. Hafspajen (talk) 10:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you're no fun! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

• "that was not pornography but erotic woodprints." Hafs, can I get you to argue that point to my wife? She'd probably think Blue Lagoon was pornography. (BTW, nice to have our really old anime at DYK) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Pornography is crap, made by uninspired idiots for the sole idea to show - the meat to those who drool for this kind of thing (and think bad about it). Erotic is different, that is the aesthetics of sexual desire, sensuality and romantic love and depicting that is artwork. There is NOTHING WRONG with the human body, God had made that to his likeness, everbody. There is NOTHING WRONG making love either, God invented that to. Have fun. Hafspajen (talk) 14:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

PS: What Blue Lagoon ? This Blue Lagoon (geothermal spa)? Been there, gorgious! - and not at all pornographic. Very decent. Hafspajen (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

• I take it y'all don't get much Brooke Shields out there. It's a film (well, actually, a novel, but I was referring to the film). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that one.. Yes it was in the movies, but I never bothered. It was probably my Hitchcock period... Hafspajen (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

• A lot of effort has been expended, especially in the West, to elevate shunga to the level of High Art, and downplaying the original function of these pictures which, as Timon Screech has emphasized, was to jerk off too—most of the original collectors, Screech points out, were embarassed and made excuses when caught with this stuff, calling into question just how much more open the Japanese were to this stuff. It appears the Edo-period Japanese were much more forgiving of this stuff, as it wasn't branded with the label of SIN THAT WILL SEND YOU TO HELL, but it was hardly something people thought nothing of.
  As for the difference between pron and erotica, I feel it's the same as the High Art/Low Art distinction. I do feel there's a distinction, but it's one that's not in the least clear cut—it's mostly grey area, with certain examples clearly on one side of the field or the other, but where "this field" ends and "the other field" begins is likely an unsolvable question. From what I can tell, though, Utamaro was definitely seen as a pornographer in his time, even when depicting women fully-dressed—just remember what these women did for a living, and that these images were in part advertisements for their services.
  Now excuse me, I'm off to "fix" Utamaro's article by "copyediting" the lead sentence to "Kitagawa Utamaro (Japanese: 喜多川 歌麿; c. 1753 – 31 October 1806) was the most popular pornographer in Japan in the 1790s, especially noted for depicting big busts of famous women." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps its because, at least until the 1990s or 2000s, stating that you had a research interest in pornography was probably one of the surest and fastest ways to guarantee you'd never get tenure. I personally think the concept of Pornotopia is an interesting one, and it explains why fetishes are successfully manifested in pornography when they would not (or could not) be manifested in real life. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

WHAT big busts ? Japanese don't have big busts. Hafspajen (talk) 07:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, don't be mean! I know a few old men with quite large busts. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

• No, he's right. Utamaro would have never connected himself with big busts. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR, what a terrible article. Bust (sculpture).. YYuuk. Hafspajen (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, that it is. Absolutely horrifying. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I thought I'd clicked through to Commons. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

This was it.... Come now, let's remove three each. I already removed all that was NOT a bust, like the ones with hands and heads only. Hafspajen (talk) 07:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Turkey, look at this: Hostas are edible by humans and are called "urui" in Japanese cuisine. The parts eaten and the manner of preparation differ depending on the species; in some cases it is the shoots, others the leaf petiole, others the whole leaf. Younger parts are generally preferred as being more tender than older parts. The flowers are also edible.

What do you say? Hafspajen (talk) 08:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I understand the question. Have I heard of it? No, and neither has my wife, but we're not gourmets. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you living in Japan or are you Japanese? You seems to be interested in Japanese subjects. Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm a white anglo-Canadian, and I've lived in Japan since 1998. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Very good. Then you are the right person to answer the Cairn Terrier issue. first-level administrative country subdivisions. Is the Cairn Terrier the symbol of Ehime Prefecture? ^{(Are you discriminated by the way? Called long -nose ant stuff?)} Hafspajen (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Google Books turns up zero hits, and Google only gets hits for, say, dogbreeding in Ehime. The Japanese Wiki article doesn't mention Ehime at all. The Japanese article for Ehime says the prefectural animal is the Japanese river otter, and doesn't mention dogs at all.

I won't say I've never been discriminated against, but it's not an active kind of discrimination. I have been denied jobs before because I'm not Japanese. One place gave me a language test, abstract thinking test, and personality test in order to try to disqualify me—I passed them with flying colours, so the guy told me straight up that, while I was qualified, they weren't comfortable putting a foreigner in front of the customers. Other than that, I haven't suffered any real "horror stories", and my children (aside from been shy) don't seem to have any issues fitting in. It may be that 21st-century Shizuoka is particularly welcoming to foreigners—all the bad stories I've heard have been either from other parts of Japan, or from before I got here. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's good - must be very interesting for you living there. Are you eating and dressing like the Japaneses nowadays? I change that terrier to an otter. Hafspajen (talk) 23:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a little gallery -war -is going on at Hirosige. Hafspajen (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd just leave it. I'm planning on tackling Hiroshige one of these days, and I hope to put smaller, more in-context galleries throughout the article when I do. I think I'm the one who put in those {{multiple image}}s in the first place—if I were to do it today, I'd shove all four images into a single gallery. That way, the images can be bigger without worrying about squeezing out the text or having images bump into each other. Just leave it for now, and we can rearrange it some other time. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think that the artwork gallery squeezed or not squeezed is quite ok, considering that this Hirosige was an enormously productive artist. It is really just small amount of what Hirosige ever produced... But I think that some of the big single pictures could be made into one-row galleries. They could be made in such way that they are illustrating the text - with several pictures. Hirosige was an amazing artist, one single page is almost not enough to tell everything about it. Hafspajen (talk) 23:44, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I understand what you're trying to say, but at the same time

1. the page is supposed to be an overview
2. there are at least five articles on Hiroshige's works so far: Eight Views of Ōmi, The Fifty-three Stations of the Tōkaidō, The Sixty-nine Stations of the Kiso Kaidō, One Hundred Famous Views of Edo, and Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji (Hiroshige), which are more appropriate places for a lot of these images.::#there could easily be more (look at the redlinks, and look how easily I turned up sources for that Utamaro print)
3. Commons is a more appropriate place for expansive galleries

Part of the problem is that the article itself is woefully underdeveloped. Seriously, I could walk over to the library right now—er, might not right now, because they haven't opened yet—what was my point? Oh, right: I could pop over to the library and pick up a dozen books to greatly expand the Hiroshige article with, just to start. I won't be doing that any time soon (I'm actually trying to cut back on editing so I can study), but when the article is properly expanded there will be lots of room for in-context galleries interspersed with the text—I imagine a lot more images than we have now. The galleries we have now are just too random and have too little context. Fine while the article's so skimpy, but it'll be so much better if the images are more thoughtfully arranged.

I do strongly recommend against "perrow", though, unless there's a semantic reason for it. If the images are limited to, say, three or five, imagine how much whitespace there'll be on a 24" monitor, or how the images will be pushed offscreen on a smartphone. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

What have I done?

I never should have created that Three Beauties of the Present Day article. I just got back from the library, and I can see that I could easily do dozens of these things, just for Utamaro, never mind the other artists.

Didn't they redefine the whole "no paid editing thing" recently to clarify it was only paid advocacy that was prohibited? I'd love to convince a library or government office to pay me a salary (enough to support three kids and a mortgage on) to sit in the library all day, writing articles—ukiyo-e, or local history, or whatever. I suppose that's my little geek Pornotopia right there. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

• You're not the only one. If I could earn a regular income writing on Indonesian literature and cinema, without doing any advocacy, I would. Happily. Without even charging for FAs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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I'm dealing with perpetual insomnia. It has me thinking I can converse with a bot. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Grammar check

Hello. Can you do a grammar check on the image descriptions in Megadeth? Nikkimaria pointed at the FAC that some of them could use copy editing, but wasn't precise which ones.--Retrohead (talk) 15:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

• I think she was talking about "disapprove" where "disapprove of" would be correct. I've fixed it. The others look fine. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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List of animals representing first-level administrative country subdivisions more weird, the Aichi prefecture has Great Dane, ? according to article, also Hyōgo prefecture has Great Dane, ? ... Kumamoto prefecture - Pug, and intensly weird - Tochigi prefecture has Puli? how on earth, the Puli is Hungary's national symbol. Hiroshima prefecture ... has Basilosaurus. And Fukuoka prefecture has Appaloosa horse, that is an American horse. These look like jokes to me. Hafspajen (talk) 00:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

It was some confused editor who added that one. Removed. Hafspajen (talk) 01:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Confused? Basilosaurus? That's vandalism to me. Every prefecture (I think) has an official bird and/or animal, flower, and tree, as far as I know. That list could easily be expanded.

Take a look at what I did with the Tōkaidō images in Hiroshige. That's basically the kind of thing I'd like to do throughout, but not until after the text has been expanded. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

LOOKS very GOOD. Hafspajen (talk) 02:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

It'll look a lot better when th earticle finally gets properly expanded. Now it looks a little too image-heavy. We should probably leave fucking around with it until it does get expanded, though. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK_S

I nominated the Three Beauties of the Present Day, anyway. Hafspajen (talk) 15:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

It happened like this. [2] You don't wan't the FP in the lead? Hafspajen (talk) 23:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Normally I would, but since the article discusses the differences between different printings and the FP was captioned with an explanation of the differences, I think it's better to go with the original in the infobox. Use the FP for the DYK image, though. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Departures: the GA

Well, it's a novel, a manga, a stage play, a film, a biography... now it's a GA! Thanks for all of the help with the Japanese sources. Dr. B left us with three points to consider, it appears, one of which is out of my league and one of which we can deal with right now (did you intend "It starred kabuki actor Nakamura Kankurō as Daigo and Rena Tanaka as Mika[79] when it debuted at Akasaka ACT Theater (ja) on 29 May 2010." to ensure that we weren't incorrect in case there was a casting change somewhere down the run?). I trimmed about 2k characters from "Awards" and "Reviews", but there may be more trimming possible in the future. So before we FAC this... wait for me to get the damn DVD (doubt it has anything we're missing, but who knows).

Hope you don't mind, but I plan to nominate Departures at DYK. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Whoa! That was fast—so fast I didn't even notice it had passed before making my last comment. If you see anything else I've been involved with that you want to nominate at DYK, go ahead—I can't be bothered myself.

I can't remember what I intended with the wording of the theatre stuff, but I think the last comment I made would cover whichever interpretation. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:34, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

• Alright, I've worked it in. The nomination is at Template:Did you know nominations/Departures (film); I decided to avoid emphasising the Oscar as the list already did when it was in DYK. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
  • "Some of those Japanese sources really look a nightmare to research and archive": Ha! Only because Japan has yet to join the 21st century and allow everything to be digitized. So far, not a single source I've used for Three Beauties is available even in snippet view on Google Books. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
    • I know, eh? Maybe if they'd allow greater access to serious research, the idea of Japan as the land of panties vending machines and tentacle porn would ... well, lose some of its power, at least. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
      • That'd be a disaster! To ensure such a thing never happens, I'll devote the rest of the year to The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife and Urotsukidōji—funny story about that last one. When I was still technically a minor, I found a place in Oshawa that had started renting out anime, before it had all boomed. I became a member, and got to rent three videos (still in the VHS era). I wasn't familiar with this stuff besides Akira, so I asked the guy to pick three for me. He got me Battle Angel, Barefoot Gen, and Urotsukidōji—telling me nothing about it except: "Don't let your mother see this." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:33, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Technically still a minor? I guess he didn't want to show you Ghibli yet... being both too old and too young to enjoy their work. Not familiar with Urotsukidōji, but since the article says it had sexcraft similar to La Blue Girl I can guess what it was like. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Wait, what now?. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Live movies? As in, with live tentacles? That'd be the awesomest thing since Maniac Mansion!

("Technically" still a minor means I'd graduated high school but hadn't quite turned 18 yet). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:16, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, good God, I've just googled around and found a bunch of video clips. It's definitely real, and barftastically awful (and I don't just mean the content). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

That is only called bad art - THis is BAD art..

• Don't think Hafs would classify that as "art". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:32, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Probably not. Crisco, don't be angry with me because of coat, somebody has to nice there too. Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not angry Haffy. I've just been fairly busy with the journal article (BTW, I answered your question a couple days ago, but you don't seem to have noticed that). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there's an angle from which you could call such a travesty "art". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

• Bad Art? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

• (regarding image) at least we're not trying to push Pricasso on everyone! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, my. Hafspajen (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Toronto is Canadian?

I'll have to tell my parents. They'll be devastated. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Undead cinema

Say, could you check to make sure I didn't make a mess of this article on a resurrected cinema? Google Translate seems to have hired a team of blind monkeys to do the work, so most of what I was reading was unintelligible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Jesus Christ! You're the king of obscure articles nobody but GA reviewers will ever read! I'll check the sources tomorrow when I've got access to my laptop (I'm leaving it at work so as not to tempt me from my textbooks), but I can tell you right away that 映画祭 just means "film festival", not "resurrection" anything. I assume you left off a kanji or two at the beginning. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if the Japanese Wikipedia has it (and the Chinese one???) we should. The original appears to have been 復活映画祭 (from ちなみに、復活映画祭の話を聞いた滝田監督は、「映画がきっかけになって映画館が復活するなんて、映画みたいな話だ」と語ったという。), so I'll insert that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

As for obscure... hey, I've done mainstream work! The award winning cock, for instance! (Or Departures, of course) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Gotta love the NFB and their focus on intriguing CanCon subjects. I wonder if Bruce McDonald has ever tried to hit them up for the budget for his penis movie. The original author has excellent CanCon cred. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

• Damn that's some ... unique... subject material. Although for some reason I always thought "Tricky Dick" Nixon would have his head attached to somebody else... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

"Resurrection" sounds much more dramatic and cool, but I think "revival" is probably more appropriate. It's a bit more complicated, though, because in the same article, the flyer (and its caption) that is shown on the second page calls it the 港座復活祭, or the Minato-za Revival Festival, while 復活映画祭 is what's used exclusively in the body. Maybe jsut describe it as a revival festival rather than naming it? Either that, or I'd go with the name on the flyer, which is more likely to be official. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

• Alright, went with the name on the flyer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've squeezed your sources for whatever they were worth. Just one thing I couldn't figure out how to work in was:

On the face of the building is written 映像とサウンドのきらめき ("Glittering Images and Sound").{{sfn|Yamaguchi|p=30}}

I'll leave it to you to decide if it's worth including. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:55, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

• どうもありがとう, 七面鳥さん, or whatever it's supposed to be. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Departures (film)

Gatoclass (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Three Beauties of the Present Day

Gatoclass (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

• Turkey-san, I have a sneaking suspicion that a GA reviewer may ask you to expand the lead. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hmmm ... I've expanded it a bit. I hope it's enough, because I'm not sure there's a lot more in the article that screams "lead" to me". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:04, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't see much from the legacy section in the lead, but the current version will probably be accepted. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Mature, thoughtful discussion

• ... you can't just make these claims without backing them up.
• Yes I can.

We have lift-off

I'll gobble you whole!

I've put Departures up for PR in preparation for an FAC run next month. We don't have to worry about FAC timing too much; we are allowed to co-nom while also having our own nom up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, that's quick! If we're allowed multiple co-noms, we should throw a couple of copyedits into each others articles and nominate ten at a time . Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• LOL, I don't think that would be enough involvement for conomming . I found a Journal of Religion & Film article on Okuribito while looking for sources on Coffinman; definitely worth working in. It may be a good idea for us to trawl Jstor too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Nothing on Coffiman at JSTOR, but there's "New Halves, Old Selves: Reincarnation and Transgender Identification in Ōshima Yumiko's 'Tsurubara-tsurubara'" by Emily Somers. I don't have access, so I don't know what's in it, but "New Half" is Wasei-eigo for a transgender person—I assume it mentions the opening scene of Okuribito. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:38, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
    • "he comes to an understanding of people and the many different religions and faith traditions in modern Japan, from Shinto to Buddhism to Christianity"—this doesn't ring true with me—I don't remember religion coming up except during the Christmas scene. Am I misremembering? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
      • (Was thinking Jstor for Departures). Shame I don't have questia any more! Yeah, probably the trans woman. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
        • My reading of the Christmas scene was purely secular. In fact, I distinctly remember thinking "eh, look! it's not KFC!". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
          • I meant that during the Christmas scene, Sasaki says something about how they perform their service for people of all religions. It's the only time I remember region coming up. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
            • What about the one where they are at a funeral in a church? It just passes by, probably all of five seconds for that shot, but I distinctly remember someone in white priest robes. I think it was during the cello playing sequence. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Hm. I don't remember, but okay, maybe there's something to the quote. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hopless. How many votes does a pic need at commons for fp, also five? Hafspajen (talk) 07:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Was this meant to go here? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hafs, Commons needs (going off memory) at least 7. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Weird. And I still think that they have much lower quality pictures. I was now watching hundreds of pictures of this Jeanne but I can't understan what should be wrong with our picture. Unless it is something else that is wrong. they are like this the best ones. Hafspajen (talk) 08:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Done with the Okuyama source. Do you think I've depended on her too much? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
  • BTW, she discusses kegare and its relation to the yukan purification. I've left a footnote for interested readers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't think yo've relied on her too much at all, I think it's good stuff that readers will likely want to know about—just needs the prose to be tightened here and there. One thing: for "The subplot in which Daigo is able to reconcile with his late father was added by Koyama; taken from a novel he was writing, was intended to give the story a happy ending" you've cited page 313. I see the bit about it coming from a novel manuscript on page 3, but I don't see where it says it was intended to make for a happy ending. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
      • I'd have said closure, but her turn of phrase was "helping the film end with some sense of happiness as Daigo releases his own childhood pain." Or we could just write catharsis. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Couple questions for you at the PR. I've dealt with most. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Think I've dealt with them. Funny, we were just watching Sumo Do, Sumo Don't on the TV. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Talk about an article in poor shape... mind, most of our coverage of Japanese films is pretty bad. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Given, the director, lead, and awards I imagine it wouldn't be hard to dig up sufficient sources to do a half-decent job on it (GA even). I doubt I'll end up doing it, though---if I were to take the time out from studying, I'd rather do some ukiyo-e or comics articles. I bought Ed vs. Yummy Fur weeks ago and still haven't gotten around to fixing up the Ed the Happy Clown article with it. That article's been one of my big goals since I became an active editor. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Wait, wait... Yummy Fur? Like, fur fur? Like, real fur? Furry fur? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
          • No, no furries---more like the kind of fur the young folx today are OCD about eradicating. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Ahhh... I don't know if that's more or less disturbing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sakata Minato-za

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Christus

I think we have met all your points on this, except re images. I've unsuccessfully tried to retrace two, with no luck, so will probably end up cutting for now. Anyways would you mind revisiting pending a further image review (grumbling allowed), and thanks for the suggestions man. Ceoil (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm just about to pop out the door; if I haven't revisited by tomorrow, give me another poke. I imagine I'll be supporting. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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Thinking aloud: anarthrous nominal premodifier

Just thinking aloud ...

I've seen this pop up more than once on my watchlist in the last couple days, so I thought I might try to articulate to myself what bothers me about the "anarthrous nominal premodifier" thang.

Another name for the "anarthrous nominal premodifier" is "false title"—the assumption is that the position of nominal premodifier before the noun is reserved for titles, à la Geoffrey Pullum: "Cardinal" is a title; selling fertilizer is merely a job. And the basis for this assumption ...?

To my ears, adding "the" to the modifier puts undue emphasis on the modifier—just try to imagine the Penetanguishene resident Rita Beauchamp. Is Ms Beauchamp renowned for her residency in a francophone enclave of Ontario?

A feature of English is the noun adjunct—the use of nouns to modify other nouns. A noun is used as if it were an adjective to modify another noun, as in meat sauce, city bus, or cancer patient. I suspect both writers and readers are parsing geologist Barney Rubble and three-time biathlon winner Flakey Foont in the same way—as a noun (or noun group) modifying a (proper) noun. As we wouldn't say The poor Flakey Foont never found meaning in his life, why would we find it unusual to say Three-time biathlon winner Flakey Foont never found meaning in his life? The answer seems to me: we don't, the prescriptionists do—the prescriptionists have invented yet another shibboleth to sort out the "good" writers from the "bad" based on qualities other than the ability to communicate elegantly and clearly. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Could make a subpage of these... that being said, I think we've stuck without the "anp thang" in Departures as its more common to drop it in Canadian English. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree, but it's not hard to find even North American sources condemning it (the style guide for The New York Times, Merriam-Webster), and difficult to find sources that explicitly encourage it. Tim Riley recognizes its acceptance in NAEng, so that's not really what got me thinking—I've seen enough of people disputing it at FACs and elsewhere, and then I ran into this: (the) (this is an Engvar thing) (actually, no it is isn't)—and given the pedigree of the AmEng objectors (NYT, M-W) you could honestly argue it's not ENGVAR (Johnbod's been very helpful with the review, so I didn't want to start something over it—I dealt with it by recasting). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Nerdgasm for Christmas

For the first time in nearly 30 years, Dark Horse is reprinting Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book in Decmeber 2014, and a new 464-page all-prose Harvey Kurtzman bio will follow a few months later. Guess I'll be getting that article done in 2015. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hmmm... sounds like a good time for shopping. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

City style format

When you apply AP style to a Japanese city, you don't add a comma-prefecture. You write it as "Osaka, Japan," etc. Tokyo is the only Japanese city that doesn't require a comma-Japan. AP style is for newspaper writing. An encyclopedia should be written according The Chicago Manual of Style. I don't see any logic in applying AP rules to article titles. Clodhopper Deluxe (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@Clodhopper Deluxe: Well, the disambigution scheme is something I'm not happy with, either (I live in Shizuoka City, and it bugs me that it was moved to Shizuoka, Shizuoka). The RfC isn't about the disambiguation scheme, though—it's about mandatory disambiguation. Shizuoka City obviously can't sit at Shizuoka, but Yaizu, Shizuoka certainly could sit at Yaizu. I think it's best to wait until the current RfC is over, and then start another if someone wanted to propose changing the disambiguation scheme. I'd certainly be all for it, but I wouldn't support a proposal that "An encyclopedia should be written according The Chicago Manual of Style". If you haven't noticed, I'm not American. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Gee, I thought Turkeys were American.(-: CMOS recommends Merriam-Webster while New Hart's Rules recommends Oxford. Both dictionaries give "Shizuoka." AP style would be "Shizuoka, Japan." "Shizuoka, Shizuoka" is pretty amusing. "Common name" and "disambiguation" are certainly Wiki-inventions, especially when they are applied like this. Isn't the obvious solution Shizuoka (city)? Dictionaries sometimes use superscripts to solve this problem. That would give you "Shizuoka¹" and "Shizuoka²." Clodhopper Deluxe (talk) 05:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Welcome to Wikipedia, where the obvious solution is usually the most hated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Clodhopper Deluxe: I'm not happy with the current disambiguation scheme, but it is a separate issue. For now, getting rid of the mandatory disambiguation thing I think is pretty straightforward. Settling on a different disambiguation scheme, however, will take more thought and work. For instance, is Shizuoka (city) really better than Shizuoka City? The latter is a likely search term as it is used officially for a number of organizations, such as the Shizuoka City Association for Multicultural Exchange, the Shizuoka City Serizawa Keisuke Art Museum, and the Shizuoka City Tokaido Hiroshige Museum of Art. But then, this may not be common with other municipalities—for instance, I don't see "Yuza Town" being used in an official capacity. Unless a standard can be come up with that a consensus can form around, replacing the current disambig scheme will be an uphill battle (basically, a lack of consensus will mean sticking with what we've got, even if it turns out a majority hate it). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Did you know...?

Apparently Kundō Koyama is a food critic? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Also, if you could figure out what N35 and Orange and Partners do, I would be much obliged. He's involved with both companies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It looks like he's written some books on the subject of food [3][4][5] ... and a novel series called Ryōri no Tetsujin—Iron Chef. N35 is Koyama's literary agent. Orange and Associates is some kind of marketing company, from what I can tell, and Koyama is the President and CEO. I don't see any info on it that isn't from the company itself. Founded in 2006. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Apparently he was also one of the scripters of Iron Chef, and scripted the back story (I've never actually seen the show—I always thought it was just a cooking show). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Iron Chef has a back story? That's... news. Super Saiyans? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Six months ago, I wouldn't've had a clue what you're talking about—my son's a recent Dragonball convert. Apparently the "back story" has something to do with the opening of the show, where the master introduces his castle? Have you ever seen the show? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • No, we never had cable. A... castle? Sounds like I should try to find some old editions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Of course, I should've checked it out on YouTube in the first place. Some tycoon builds a Kitchen Stadium and pits his hand-picked Iron Chefs against all comers. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • So Master Kaga is Shang Tsung, with seven Goros, and they fight with kitchen knives and Parmesan cheese. Yep, will try and find something that doesn't involve streaming (my internet can't handle it). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Do you have a download limit? If it's just a matter of your connection being slow, you could always use youtube-dl to download the episodes you want. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • No, no download limit. I'll see if youtube-dl works. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I was confused with the terms used at N35—Koyama is thedaihyō, a word that normally translates as "representative" (in the broad sense of the word). Apparently it can also mean CEO. I'm gussing it's perhaps an abbreviation of Daihyō torishimariyaku shachō, which translates as "President & CEO" and which is his title at Orange. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... Likely CEO, as N35 is listed as one of his official websites at ANN and the Japanese Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Reading wp.ja, it looks like Koyama didn't actually co-design Kumamon, but had Mizuno design the character as one part of a promotional thing he was commissioned to do for Kumamoto. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Nixed. Wasn't quite sure of that either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • BTW, I added you to the DYK nom for your additions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Well, thank you! I'll just follow you around and make minor contribs to your articles and claim credit for now on ;) Oh, are you interested in another review of Okuribito, trashing Koyama's writing? Sure you are, we need more negative. And you must be interesting in the fact that Motoki did some did some nude modeling when he was younger. I mean, he's like hawt. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Shudder. Why do they need five or six "film"s in one green box. Why? And they have the nerve to trash someone else's writing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Ya know, we have articles on Tony Rayns and Film Comment. That might be enough weight to actually include his review... though I wonder why everyone who trashes the film seems to not get the kegare aspect. Daigo had a pretty damn good reason to keep the truth hidden from his wife, at least in regards to NK Agency. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Sorry, the "green box" (?) thing went over my head. And I think "kegare" is probably pretty foreign to ... uh ... foreigners. I mean, I thought it just meant "dirty" until we did this article. It's not like it's really explained in the movie. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • You didn't get a pop-up? Lucky. BTW, Akira Sasō has some... creative... storylines. A 5th grader getting pregnant? Yeah, it happens, but... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Also, there are departments of manga in Japan? Can't imagine a department of comics here in Indonesia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:47, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                • I have heard of departments of manga (I added something about it to the comics article). Remember, this is a country where something like 40% of everything published is comics. If you can imagine it, someone's made comics of it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • A cleaner version of Rule 34? So... what, Rule 17? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                    • What do you mean, cleaner? This is Japan. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                      • Well, seinen is generally a bit more soft-core, right? Rather than the... filth... which Rule 34 seems to produce. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                        • Seinen doesn't actually have anything to do with porn—it's a demographic rather than a genre—as it's an age-mature demographic you sometimes see softcore stuff in it. Dōjinshi are pretty famous for putting copyrighted properties in interesting situations. I haven't actually read any of that stuff, but I've seen plenty in used book shops and comic shops. I seem to remember the top floor of Mandarake in Nagoya was nothing but hentai porn. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                          • Sorry, just going on the article, which says that many manga targeted at seinen are fairly softcore. As for Dōjinshi... that's sometimes fun to read. Did you read the one where Obama has sex with the Japanese prime minister's maid, while the PM takes on Hillary Clinton? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                            • I've never read any of that stuff myself, but that sounds a lot like typical Tijuana bibles. Recently I was talking to a couple of 17-year-olds about TPP (because that's, like, what all the hip teenagers are talking about), and one expressed his total opposition to the deal as the stringent copyright laws would put an end to dōjinshi and, thus, Comiket. The other kid asked what dōjinshi were, and the first guy explained straight-facedly that it was porn about copyrighted characters. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                              • Wow. I thought we had an article on the one I mentioned (My Neighbor Taro-kun), but apparently we don't. Cracked.com does, though: 5 Insane Barack Obama Comic Books You Won't Believe are Real (two mangas on that list). And I'll now go back to reading Kodomo no Kodomo. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                              • Ya know, I think it may be notable enough for an article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oh my god---I think that's the first time I ever laughed out loud at something from Cracked! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  •  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Are you kidding, Cracked.com is one of the best sources of humour on the Internet, complete with cited sources! Prhartcom (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • I guess I'm not familiar with the online version. I remember the magazine as something you put up with when Mad happened to be sold out. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • LOL. I think they kinda recognize that. But then, I never was into such magazines when I was younger. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Well, the heyday of these things is long past. When I discovered Mad in the late '80s, early '90s it was already running on fumes. Cracked, I think, has never run on anything but fumes. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • It's not your father's Cracked. The executive editor is David Wong (writer). Brilliant guy who figured out the perfect cocktail of humour, sarcasm, and facts. Prhartcom (talk) 13:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • What, no cawmix? I guess I'll have to check it out. My wife was giving me strange looks as I was laughing out loud at the Obama stuff. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • He taught his contributors to write in his perfected style, so why not start with his articles: Cracked.com Articles by David Wong, including "5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S".
                • Though recently they've been interviewing people about the strange or unexpected aspects of their jobs, or just plain strange jobs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • This site looks like an enormous timesink—I'll have to exercise what little self-control I have to avoid it until I'm finished school next year. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                    • Not as bad as Wikipedia or TV Tropes, but... yeah. Archive binges can leave you coming up for air only days later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
• Curious: what is the difference between こども and コドモ? Aren't they both Kodomo? Wiktionary only has the first one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • It depends on context, but they should all be basically the same word. The standard way to write it is in kanji 子供, but it's also frequently written in hiragana こども. Katakana コドモ would be unusual but far from unheard of, likely used to draw attention to it (perhaps like italics (which aren't used in Japanese), or in a brand name). What's the context? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Kodomo no Kodomo, which uses the katakana (example). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
      • It could be that some subtlety is going over my head, but I'd call it capricious stylization, like having a comic book called Krazy Komix. Edit: Well, not as silly as Krazy Komix, but not-particularly-deep stylization nonetheless. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
        • I assume you'll be following up with an article on the history and analysis of Obama porn? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Perhaps its more childish than the Kanji? As for Obama porn... that's a maybe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
            • No, children learn hiragana before they learn katakana, and often find katakana a bit of a challenge (not because it's hard, but because its usage is limited, so they get a lot less experience with it). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Darn... hmm... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                • Unless a source points out a particular meaning to the spelling, I'd just skip it. Honestly, I don't think it's deep, or even worth pointing out. That style of titling isn't even limited to comics. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • Nah, not for the article. Just personal curiosity. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Google translate is junk

• I just have to share this one with you (will go on my Facebook wall too: "But the children of the "Children of Children" movie version, fishy only innocent innocent boys and girls too." (Source: "だが映画版『コドモのコドモ』の子供たちは、あまりに純真無垢な少年少女ばかりでインチキくさい。") — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, for Japanese it's junk. My mother once sent a long-assed thank-you note to my wife, and sent it through the G-Translate strainer first. We hd a good laugh at the gibberish it spewed out. English isn't my wife's strong point, but she would'v done better with the original. How about: "But the children in the film version of Kodomo no Kodomo are all such innocent little boys and girls that they come off as fake." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, "But the children of the "Children of Children" movie version" is much better than I've come to expect. I'd've thought something like "But movie version's "Child's Child"'s children". I'm impressed it's using definite articles idiomatically. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • How bad is it for Indonesian, by the way? Or do you bother? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Anything past short phrases becomes gobbledygook (sorry, no offense to Turkeys). Problem is the tenses: almost no tenses in Indonesian. Kodomo no Kodomo's almost as far as I'm willing to take it... don't want to go overboard on the film, and can't find much on the manga itself. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Hey, gobbledygook is notoriously difficult to master. I'm also quite fluent in gibberish. By the way, is the boy's name really "Miyoko"? Normally that would be a girl's name—and later you have "She tells Hiroyuki, as the father". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟
        • Good catch! No it isn't; fixed. Just realized the version I was reading was incomplete, so now I'm seeing how good Adobe's OCR recognition is with Japanese text. The child gets adopted... but looks like the adopter is a new character. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Okay, OCR is trash. Damn. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
          • I don't have any experience with Japanese OCR—and given the J-publishing industry's anti-digital stance, I doubt many others do, either. Are you trying to OCR comics? That's gotta be tough in any language. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Last four chapters of Kodomo no Kodomo (now live; I keep wanting to write komodo...); apparently the version I read was incomplete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Are you sure "child pregnancy" is a genre? Meaning: I hope it's not! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                • Removed for now, as that's more of a theme. (Silly me, thinking Shindo's infobox was well done!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
• Where did you get "rub" for くっつけっ子? ja.wp indicates it was a name th two kids made up: "Kuttsukeru" means "to attach" or "stick together", while the "kko" indicates something you do together or to/for each other. I can see a translator maybe going with "rub", but I wouldn't translate くっつけっ子 itself as "rub". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • As noted in my edit summary, from User:Auric/Kodomo no Kodomo. Apparently someone else was working on an article for this series. Hidden. BTW, if you have the time, do you think you could summarize the last four chapters? (Like, maybe, 3 sentences). Link — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Okay. I didn't add this directly, because I wasn't sure if the grandfather is actually senile or what's going on (since I haven't read teh earlier bits). You can edit it to fit better. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The secret is found out when Haruna's senile (?) grandfather goes unexpectedly for a walk, taking the baby with him from the hideout. The adults who find him demand whose baby he is carrying, and Haruna confesses. Hiroyuki's parents refuse to acknowledge their son as the father, and the press and neighbours' talk drives them to move away to Hiroshima; at the last minute Hiroyuki gets off the train to affirm he is the father. Twelve years later, Haruna has raised Hajime alone and become a model. The classmates and their teacher gather at the old hideout, and Hajime meets his father for the first time. A pregnant Ms Yagi suddenly goes into labour, giving birth to a daughter she names Haruna.

• • His mind went a little... after the grandmother died. She did pretty much everything for him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you right kindly, Turkey-san. I promise I'll leave Japanese subjects alone for the next few weeks at least. I dare not distract you further from your studies. (BTW, Departures has three less redlinks then it did two weeks ago. Kewl). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• I totally meant to leave you alone, but then Cracked gave us an article about giant dumplings instead of cakes and apartments meant to let singles mingle. Sounds like a very interesting life. (That dumpling looks hideous, by the way) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Also hideous and also not leaving you alone: Cracked.com: 5 Terrifying Bastardizations of the Wikipedia Model. Prhartcom (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Blast you, Prhartcom. And I need that bonus for finishing this copyediting job ahead of schedule... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, you guys! I've got two exams coming up Friday! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, dear...

Quite flattering, but I'm pretty sure Miniapolis has quite a different opinion of me than Prhartcom does ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear. Was that a faux pas? By definition, I would be the last to know! Prhartcom (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

We've had a run-in, and Miniapolis has held a grudge ever since. I have to say, I dislike the job they've done on Tintin in Tibet (what's with throwing so much text into parentheses?), but I don't want to give the impression I'm out to get them by reverting it all ... oh, God, those edits are going to keep me up at night ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I know, right? That was his work. The yeti is not an afterthought! I'll change those back later. Would you like to have a go at it also when the time is right? For now, I am taking the attitude that this is a good thing. Prhartcom (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it any time you want me to. I was thinking of giving it another go soon, since it looked like you were about ready to nominate it. I might obliterate my name from the comment you left, though; in the context, it looks like you're being a smartass. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

You're right, since that is the situation, I have reverted mentioning you. Thanks; I'll give you the heads up when the time is right. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kundō Koyama

The DYK project (nominate) 22:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hmmm ... technically it was the film that won 98 awards, and not the screenply, no? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, much picking of nits indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Arigatou

	A Swordsman for You
	Thank you, Curly, for bringing Ukiyo-e to FA status. Congratulations! In recognition of this achievement, I grant you a swordsman (slightly worn), who will dice your teacher's answer key next Friday if you feel it necessary. (BTW, I'm thinking Departures for FAC next week; thoughts?)  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, arigatou yourself! I'm ready for Departures when you are (just don't expect me to be very responsive tomorrow). I'm going to nominate Katsudou Shashin as well, thus ensuring myself a reputation as Japanese film expert. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hearty congratulations! I am reading the article now; what a massive undertaking! Prhartcom (talk) 22:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

• Excellent. So next week, two Japanese films at FAC at the same time. Sounds like fun! Bencherlite will be pleased; he's been overrun by Indonesian films. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! Johnbod (talk) 16:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Cooley–Tukey (fluorine FAC)

On 7 July I nominated the article on fluorine for FA status. I currently need image reviewers (Hamiltonstone has done half of the images already) and reference spotcheckers (the bane of all FACs). Would you be willing to help? Parcly Taxel 00:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• If you can wait until Saturday, I'll do the rest of the images. I've got two exams tomorrow, and I'm trying to limit my Wikipedia time today to study for them. If I don't get to them by Saturday, ping me again. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 7

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Books & Bytes
Issue 7, June-July 2014
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Katsudō Shashin again

Glad to see it's up at FAC. I've reviewed. I'll nom Departures for us soon as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Had to chuckle at this and your new signature. However, I don't know how kindly the delegates will take to a nominator supporting his own nomination (even in a comedic manner). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, they'll just have to spank me. I woke up for exam day at 03:45 and spent the day with a crick in my neck. Forgive me if my judgement was poorer than ideal. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
    • 3:45 on exam day? Sounds like a figurative pain in the neck too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Well, I'm almost always up around 4:30 or 5:00, so it's not quite the disaster it'd be for most people, but I still would rather have been a bit more rested. It's about an hour and a half to the test location though, so I was pretty worn out by the time I got home. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC),
        • Ah yes, that Japanese institution known as the train commute. Forgot about that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
          • No, that's a Tokyo thing. I can't understand how people there can live like that. It just so happens that, whenever I find someone qualified to invigilate my exams who's close to home, their employer turns around and says they're not allowed to (employers have that kind of power over their employees here). I finally managed to find someone qualified, willing, and able whose employer gave them the go-ahead, but they're located an hour and a half away. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:04, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, alright. That sounds... well, annoying. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Three Beauties of the Present Day

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Three Beauties of the Present Day you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ChrisGualtieri -- ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Comics Star
		For your work on helping with the finishing touches on Tintin in Tibet! Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well,thanks to you, as well! I see you're doing a lot of work on L'Étoile mystérieuse now—interesting story behind that one. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

And my thanks to you, Curly Turkey, for everything you have done to advance Tintin in Tibet. There have been many who have helped; I greatly appreciate you being one of them. Prhartcom (talk) 23:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom from Want (painting)/archive1

Since you commented at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom of Worship (painting)/archive1, I thought you might want to comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom from Want (painting)/archive1 since the latter is a far more notable painting and the FAC has no comments after over 3 weeks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Sure, but I won't get to it right away. If I don't show up in the next day or two, ping me again. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Three Beauties of the Present Day

The article Three Beauties of the Present Day you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Three Beauties of the Present Day for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ChrisGualtieri -- ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of McIntosh (apple)

The article McIntosh (apple) you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:McIntosh (apple) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jamesx12345 -- Jamesx12345 (talk) 05:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kodomo no Kodomo

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Peer review

Howdy Turkey. Don't know your plans about the summer vacation, but if you're still around the Wiki, can you provide some feedback on Endgame's peer review, located here? It's a really short album article and you won't spend much time on it. I don't know if the nominator has an FA candidature on mind, but regardless, any input is welcomed. Have a good one.--Retrohead (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not home today, but I can check it out tomorrow. Give me a ping if I forget. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Great work on getting Megadeth to FA status. This is the first heavy metal-related article to be promoted in five years. This accomplishment wouldn't have been possible without your assistance. Retrohead (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, looking at your activity, it looks like it won't be five years before the next one! You wouldn't happen to have Sepultura on your to-do list, would you? I think they were my favourite thrash band (though their article calls them a death metal band—I don't remember them being called one in any of the guitar magazines I used to buy). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Okuribito - Last post?

I got the DVD now. Will watch the interview. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, I've added some information (about a thousand characters *gasp*) from the interview and moved the bit about internationalisation. Ya know, it's kinda depressing that this film article is almost longer than that of the father of the Indonesian Army. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • "Almost"? Sudirman clocks in at 41kb of readable prose—Departures at 42kb. Looks like we've just contributed to Wikipedia's reputation of having much better coverage of pop culture info than history. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Almost 42... I forgot that I'd trimmed the lead quite a bit after this ran on the MP (it was 43k). Yeah, but at least it's historical pop culture. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Well, now you need to add another 2kb on the film's Indonesian reception to push it over the top. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Totally undue . I'm still waiting for Departures, the Flame Thrower. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
          • What, did I forget to click Save on that one? Dagnabbit, I'll never find that source again! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
            • Damn it indeed! There go my plans to go all Ah-nold on some people. "Hope this is an interesting ... Departure!" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
              • "Today ve'll haf de cremation before de funeral!" Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats!

Two FAs in a single go. Not bad at all. Now we're talking turkey. :) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I just heard; congratulations to both of your for your article's promotion to FA! I read as much of the article as I could but the scroll bar never seemed to move. Thanks bringing this film to our attention; no one else could have given this subject the treatment it deserves. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 14:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, it is a bit long now isn't it? Mind, not much we could have done to tighten the prose and not lose any information. This is longer than some US president articles :-P  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • As it should be. Who wants to read about a US president? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Probs the same people who think Maus should be deleted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

FAC image review

Hi CT, many thanks for the image review you've undertaken on George Formby: it's much appreciated, and it think I've covered off all the necessary points, except the sandwiching, which is need to review more closely on a couple of other screens.

Can I ask you do a similar review for John Gielgud? It should be OK: Crisco has been involved in some of the uploads, which should be a good indication of the standard. Any thoughts or comments on this would be greatly appreciated. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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ANRFC

Hello Curly Turkey. You will have seen that I have again removed your request from ANRFC as a duplicate. This discussion has already been nominated for closure by Cunard on 17 August. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#RfC: Mandatory disambiguation for Japanese places?. Cheers, Number 57 09:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, Number 57—I thought you'd removed it as a "duplicate" of the mistaken one I'd posted above it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Within the past day, the duplicate request is still there. I closed the primary one, but Curly Turkey requested an admin closure. Was there a reason for requesting an admin closure, or is the non-admin closure satisfactory? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Robert McClenon; I don't know nearly enogugh about the technical aspects of RfCs to say whether an admin is necessary—aside from how heated the discussion has been in the past. If you think it's not, then I guess it's not. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Some types of closures, typically in article talk space and Wikipedia talk space (MOS being in this group), request "an experienced editor". Some request an admin, such as categories, where the admin privilege may be needed to implement the close. It isn't supposed to matter whether the closure is contentious as to whether an admin is needed. Conduct issues can be dealt with, including by block, either while the RFC is in process (fortunately quite rare - usually an open RFC makes editors polite in order to be persuasive), or after the close if there is edit-warring against consensus. Maybe someone should curse in Japanese at the difficult editors. I don't know Japanese, but that isn't necessary to determine consensus when the discussion is in English. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow, WikiWand...

What a way to botch Ukiyo-e. Aside from the absolute worst possible selection of lead image, it doesn't appear the site handles image galleries well on any article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

And A Contract with God leads with an image of Elie Wiesel ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

But I like how it illustrated the Creation Museum. Prhartcom (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Canvassing response

If you are talking about the messages I've been sending to the other editors, I was just getting them involved in the dispute about what to call the page naming that we have been talking about. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Rtkat3: Yes, I'm perfectly well aware of what you were doing: It's called WP:CANVASSing, and it's unacceptable. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Didn't know about the canvassing issues until today. Now I know. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk page post

Please do not disrupt other user's posts.

I used numbering here so that they could be referred to in a response, not so so a response could be inserted between points and potentially lose my signature on the original portion.

Do you want to go fix your cock up or should I?

- J Greb (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• "disrupt other user's posts"?!? "Cock up"?!? The numbering remains fully intact and readable. There is no issue. Why the aggression? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Found your office

Is this where you're hiding? An "excellent room" for writing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

That's quite good. (Smiling) Prhartcom (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• And apparently the hiragana spells out (phonetically) "E-ku-se-re-n ru-ma" (excellent room). I wouldn't put it past Curly to have something like that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• You two and your hiragana there-a-gana. What's he studying for? Is he getting his PhD? Prhartcom (talk) 16:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• You'd have to ask him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • No, just a B.A. in French—by correspondence. I don't recommend it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• My wife is really good at French. I do not have much college-level training on the subject but I love the language. Best of luck with it, I'll bet you are acing it! I too have been in college for the past year; it is all technical computer training for industry certification. I understand how important it is to study when it is time to study. Prhartcom (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• By correspondence? In Japan? Damn. (Why not a BA in manga?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• For "writing"... yes. Yes, "writing" is what I do in the "Club Excellent Room". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, that kind of "excellent". *laugh* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Only the most excellent excellence can stimulate my pen. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
      • The pen is mightier, after all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

for formatting Talk:Japanese units of measurement. It looked OK when I clicked "Show preview". I have no idea what went wrong. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 16:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Departures (film) and Katsudō Shashin to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Not forgetting Ukiyo-e, of course, which is a particular delight to read. Bencherlite^Talk 14:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I might take a week off

Hello Curly Turkey and hopefully also talk page stalker Crisco 1492. I believe we have some overreach going on over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tintin in Tibet/archive1. I have given my two cents to him; perhaps now Midnightblueowl will respond, but I believe I might take a few days off from Wikipedia (and return to my studies) as it is energy draining when dealing with the insatiable. I would be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts. Prhartcom (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Take a break if you need to. Hopefully Midnight can take over a few points. The reviewer seems about ready, so hopefully there won't be too many points. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Have a good break! I am massively up to my neck with (real life) work at the moment, but will do what I can! Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I admire your resolve---I tell myself to take a break every morning, but just after checking my watchlist... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, Crisco 1492, and of course Midnightblueowl; If you folks could please comment on the final point being discussed at "Comments from Neelix", I would appreciate it. Look for the phrase "please help". Prhartcom (talk) 19:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ukiyo-e

I stopped by the Ukiyo-e article to take a look at the infobox in the lead section and saw that it is now a featured article. Congratulations!--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you very much! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Quick question on wordless novel

Curly Turkey,

I don't mean to bother you, but I was a bit confused by a sentence in the article wordless novel:

"It [25 Images of a Man's Passion] was a commercial success and was followed by Passionate Journey, and at 167 images was Masereel's longest book."

Does the clause after the comma refer to 25 Images of a Man's Passion or to Passionate Journey? I thought it referred to the latter, and edited the sentence (changing the second "and" to "which") in an effort to make this meaning more clear. I saw your more recent revision and reference to the English edition being only 165 pages, but I don't think it effectively clarifies this sentence. Or, perhaps I was wrong and the clause refers to 25 Images of a Man's Passion. Either way, though, I think this sentence is a bit ambiguous. Is there any way to rewrite it to make its meaning more clear, so that the reader is completely sure of which work this clause refers to? Thanks!

Michael Barera (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: I don't mean to nitpick. Overall, I absolutely loved the article and I'd love to see it on the main page as Today's Featured Article sometime soon. Thanks for all your hard work on such an interesting subject, and one I knew nothing about until recently stumbling across the article. Take care!

• Sorry, my mistake. I was reading the source code, where "and at 167 images was Masereel's longest book" is preceded by "the book was translated into English as My Book of Hours (1919)"—the latter is in a footnote, though, which I didn't realize. I've fixed it now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Shizuoka move

Hello there, a search shows that the city is more widely known than the prefecture. The prefecture is also named after the city, not the other way around. I don't see how a disambiguation page is supposed to add any information that is not listed already on either pages? A disambiguation page only makes sense if multiple Shizuoka cities exists somewhere else in the world that could be mistaken for this one. Gryffindor (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to respectfully disagree. To my knowledge in the world outside of Japan, the city, as a matter of fact any city in Japan, is better known first than the surrounding prefecture. Therefore the city takes precedent over the prefecture when naming. Or would you prefer the format for all prefectural capital cities to be "Osaka, Osaka" or "Hiroshima, Hiroshima"? Gryffindor (talk) 15:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Gift for you

If you see anything else on Google you want, let me know. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• 
  Portrait of Segawa Kikunojo V, Kunisada
• 
  Two Samurai, Torii Kiyomitsu
• 
  Sea Eagle on a Rock with Waves, Yanagisawa Kien

Doumo, Kuri-chan. By Google, you mean the Art Project? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hai. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's an Utamaro that I've seen in a book before that was really nice---a painting rather than a print, and, unusually, using geometrical perspective. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• "Ten physiognomic types of women, Coquettish type"? Only Utamaro in that link you sent me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict)Argh! I can't figure out how to link to it. Look for Moonlight Revelry at Dozo Sagami. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:10, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• Odd, it's already on Commons. Beautiful sight indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I think everything Google published before 2013 (exclusive) is already on Commons, actually. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

How'd I miss that? Maybe I didn't, and I just forgot. Do you know if you can filter searches by date added? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• Not familiar with that, no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Navajo language/GA1

Curly Turkey, I was wondering where this review stood. So far as I can tell, the last edits to both article and review were on September 1. Were you planning to revisit it soon? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. We were waiting for an expansion of the Grammar section. @Tezero: Is htis going to happen? I think we're supposed to have closed this already. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, I've been plowing through the Czech review first, which should be close to done. But if it's urgent, I can get back on this. Tezero (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Google!

80,000 hits for Laura Secord's 239th birthday. That blows away the 18,000 she got on the Main Page for the 200th anniversary of her walk, with live reenactments and commemorations in the newspapers, etc. And the Doodle was only displayed for Canadian users. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

• Impressive! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Your recent edit to The Who

I'm sorry. It was ungrammatical in a way that I wasn't sure what the correct edit should be. Thanks for fixing it up. Willondon (talk) 03:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, whatever. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God

With all due respect, we do list cover dates for magazines and comic books. Given that these books factually do say this, shouldn't we give readers this information, rather than hiding it? It certainly would be accurate, as well as pertinent, to phrase it this way: "The books' respective copyright pages each say: First printing, October 1978. --209.122.114.237 (talk) 13:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Comic books and magazines are published periodically (monthly, bi-monthly, weekly, etc). Listing the cover dates serves a purpose (and that purpose is not to give an accurate publication date, but to identify the issue). What purpose is served by listing such a date for a book? Look through the list of Wikipedia:Featured articles#Literature and theatre. You'll find they tend not to put this kind of thing in the infobox. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hope you don't have any tests coming up

Just had to share this. And... we have articles on two of the three. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, I just finished a couple on Friday. Read through the comments and found: "I came to this comments section hoping to find some Japanophile explaining why these movies are perfectly reasonable in context." The context is Japan. What "reasonable"? I've been watching Dragonball over my son's shoulder for months now and feel as confused now as I did when he started. I feel like these movies are not much different, but the for the fetish crowds. So now that you've got a "reliable source", I suppose we'll see the third one on DYK bientôt? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
  • A comedy site, reliable? Nah, I've got art on the table. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
    • You're saying that stuff ain't art? Not familiar with Crumb's "Joe Blow"? Avoided obscenity charges because it was deemed art. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
      • Trust me, most people don't think what I'm working on is art either. Kitsch, maybe. Indecent images of children, apparently (yeah, that's causing huge debate elsewhere). Not art. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar tribute

		The Half Barnstar
		I re-read Tintin in Tibet today; I have to admit: It's a great read. That's because everyone who contributed to it did an outstanding job. This includes your contributions, Curly Turkey, together with User:Midnightblueowl! I'm glad to have the advice of both of you (even if you both bail on me sometimes). But what an honour it was to work on this particular article, right? I hope all readers enjoy it. Thanks again for your uniquely direct and experienced contributions; keep them coming. :-) Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I'd meant to drop by with congratulations. So, what's up next? I hope The Blue Lotus won't be long in coming. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I would work with you on bringing The Blue Lotus to FA. :-) Prhartcom (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I just noticed it's already a GA! How many of these have you brought to GA already? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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Japonism

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I was wondering...

Improvements continue apace at Bonshō‎ - thank you so much for both the new source and for all the improvements to the article that you've made directly. Whether you end up supporting or not, I'm hugely grateful. It got me wondering whether you might be interested in helping out with another possible future FA that I'm mulling over - I've rather enjoyed the experience of improving this article, and I was thinking about perhaps taking Chikaraishi through the process at some point in the future. If I did, would you fancy pitching in? Then there's Morihei Ueshiba, which has been on my FA wishlist for a year or two now... Yunshui ^雲_水 07:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I thought Aikido was, like, ancient. I may be able to help out, but I'm trying to limit my time on Wikipedia until I finish my university courses (next summer?), so I may not be totally reliable. If you aren't in a hurry and are willing to wait until next summer or fall, I could scour the libraries for good sources on Ueshiba (I assume there's a ton). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I'm in no rush - it took me a year to get to Ueshiba to GA status, and there's loads of work needed to get the article to FA - I was thinking of next summer at the earliest. Best of luck with the course. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Translate?

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E5%90%89%E4%B8%89%E5%BB%93%E5%88%9D%E8%B2%B7 Hafspajen (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

You realize this is about a play, and not about the print, right?

『三人吉三廓初買』（さんにんきちさ くるわの はつがい）は、安政七年 (1860) 正月、江戸市村座で初演された歌舞伎の演目。通称『三人吉三』。世話物、白浪物。二代目河竹新七（黙阿弥）作。全七幕。

Sanninkichisakuruwanohatsugai is a kabuki play that premièred at the Ichimura-za theatre in Edo during the New Year 1860. Popularly known as Sannninkichisa. Belongs to the sewamono and shiranamimono genres. Written by Kawatake Mokuami. In seven acts.

Is this what you really want? The article doesn't even mention the print—in fact, the image caption doesn't even bother to mention it was by Kunisada (signed Toyokuni III). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, it is interesting with plays too... Actually I WAS thinking about the play. It is always difficult to understand these plays, and it is a very different world. I am a great admirer of Kabuki and Noh. Hafspajen (talk) 09:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah? I'm no expert on them (or theatre in general), but I did take part in an all-foreigner outdoor kabuki performance of Shiranami Gonin Otoko in 2002 (little did I know, my character, Akaboshi Jūzaburō, was queer). Unfortunately, I can't remember any of my lines; the language was pretty difficult for me. My lines at the big finish (where we kill all the cops, because we're badass like that):

亦その次に連なるは、以前は武家の中小姓

故主のために切り取りも、鈍き刃の腰越えや

砥上ヶ原に身の錆を研ぎ直しても、抜きかねる

盗み心の深みどり、柳の都谷七郷

花水橋の切り取りから

今牛若と名も高く、忍ぶ姿も人の目に

月影ケ谷、神輿ケ獄、今日ぞ命の明け方に

消ゆる間近き星月夜、その名も赤星十三郎

That last その名も赤星十三郎 was done in a ridiculously drawn-out melodramatic manner, announcing my name to the world.

I wanted to do it again the next year (it used to be annual), but the disbanded the whole thing. Ho-hum...

Anyways, I supposed I could give a shot at translating the page, but there isn't an inline citation in the entire thing, so it may be a target for a deletionist. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Aw, fuck it. it's already redlinked from the Kawatake Mokuami article, so I've started a stub. If you don't see me doing much work on it, ping me sometime. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Huh. I just noticed it was by the same guy who wrote the play I was in. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:39, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Of course they were. That's the point - while in English playes they separated director, writer and players - actors - but those guy do it all. Well, like Shakespeare did, once. Hafspajen (talk) 11:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hairstyle

Hi, just in case you didn't see it, I left a note about the hairstyle at Talk:Three_Beauties_of_the_Present_Day#Hairstyle. – Margin1522 (talk) 07:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. While doing the Shimada article, I noticed that the name of "File:Utamaro (1792–96) Tomimoto Toyohisa reading a letter (Rijksmuseum, cropped).jpg" is incorrect. I checked my かな解読 dictionary for the kana on the print, and without a doubt that should be "Toyohina". From "Naming issues" under commons:commons:Deletion_policy#Maintenance , it seems that it can be renamed. If we did that, it seems that as of now the Shimada and 3 beauties articles are still the only articles that use this image, so that part would be easy to fix. (I did fix the English description at Commons, but the file name itself is still there.) – Margin1522 (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my screwup—I'm the uploader. I kept mixing up "Toyohina" with "O-Hisa". I only uploaded the image a few months ago, so I'm not surprised it's not widely used. We won't have to fix the articles after the rename, though—there's a bot that does that. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Snowball effect

Just wanted to say thank you for mentioning Ōtomo no Satehiko in your FA review - I've now created articles on him, his wife, his dad and his dad's worst enemy, and I think I may be able to knock out a few more redlinks before I'm done. Suddenly I know a hell of a lot more about the Kofun period than I ever did before... I do love how a single redlink sometimes snowballs into a whole suite of articles, so thank you for getting me started on this particular clutch. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

• I've blamed thanked Turkey-sama for the same thing before. Mind you, I think it was his revenge gift of gratitude for me sucking him into collaborating with him on a 40k article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Holy Christ, I had to click through before I even remembered who this personage even was! The two of you should get together and form WikiProject Articles no-one but a GA reviewer will ever get around to reading. I might contribute the odd wordless novel article nobody asked for. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Hmm... or FA reviewers. . — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
      • You've got balls! Who'd bring one of these things to FA? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
        • You. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
          • Didn't your mother teach you it's not polite to point? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
            • Nah, she always said I was a little slow catching on to such nuanced issues — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Curly Turkey. Regarding the following articles Utamaro, George Herriman, Laura Secord: the "works cited/sources" section is usually considered a separate section wikiwide (as opposed to subsection of "citations/references") and (apart from very few exceptions) is marked as a level 2 heading. The only other way is to have a level 2 heading called "Notes and references" (or "References") and have two level 3 headings called "Notes" (or "Citations") and "References" (or "Works cited"), respectively, below it. This Wikipedia convention reflects the convention employed in most printed academic publications according to which the last two sections of an article/book are called "Citations/references" and "Works cited", respectively. Even WP:APPENDIX says "optional standard appendix sections are used, they should appear at the bottom of an article, with ==level 2 headings==". Regarding template positions, see WP:LEADORDER. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	My heartfelt thanks for your help in improving Bonshō to FA status - your advice and extra sources were invaluable. Yunshui 雲水 09:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Hope to see you at FAC again before long! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:16, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Help!

Hi Curly Turky! I am Tamravidhir! I am presently working on Bade Achhe Lagte Hain so that it becomes a GA. It has a lot of issues, and thanks to Yunshui and Onel5969, they have listed here. Then there are also some non-free media issues. I have also asked Crisco 1492 to help me. But I felt that I should also approach you. Please help me Curly Turkey! --Tamravidhir (talk!) 15:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

• @Tamravidhir: I'm going to leave some feedback on the article's talk page. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh you have done a lot! I am so happy. Thank you so much Curly Turkey! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I want to withdraw the c/e request I had made for the article. They have put it on hold as this is under construction. I want to withdraw it but how can I? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets

Hey Turkey, thanks for helping out here. I made a request at WP:GOCE/REQ about this article, so if interested, you might give it a try. This is one of my earliest efforts to write an article, and I made a few rookie mistakes on the way. There are lots of unnecessary quotes, especially in the first two sections, as well as overly verbose sentences.--Retrohead (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

That one's yours? Heh. I was trying to remember how to play "Master of Puppets" the other day (couldn't remember all of the slow middle part though...). I'll see if I can find the time to go through the article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

3O needed

Good morning, Curly Turkey, hope you and the family are well! Over at Talk:Tintin in Tibet#Sloppy writing, a gentleman (and administrator) is trying to help copy edit this thoroughly copy edited article, but is doing so a bit arrogantly (also here). I reverted half of his changes as unnecessary, and that stung, I would think. Could you pop over and lean on my side a bit? I greatly respect your time and I don't think you need to be all involved, but I would appreciate just a few words of your support. Thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: Actually, you probably won't want me showing up—I actually agree with John's changes (most of them, anyways), and had considered them myself when I was copyediting, but decided against it because (a) I tend to be a bit conservative when copyediting others' prose, as I don't want people to feel I'm "rewriting" "their" work; and (b) I was a bit more conservative than I normally am as I've run into resistance from you and MBO before (I believe that's where we met, isn't it?). The one thing I disagree with is delinking Tibet and Nepal on their first mentions in the body.

John follows a philosophy that I agree with—if you can drop a word, drop it (Strunk & White's "eliminate unnecessary words"). Not everyone agrees, but it carries a lot of weight on Wikipedia, especially among the FA crowd. I also have an allergy to "however"s. John's been around a long time and has built a reputation for his copyediting skills, so you'll want to be sure you're right before disagreeing with him. I think "Sloppy editing" was unnecessarily aggressive a section title—but keep in mind that having your copyedits reverted can also be interpreted as aggression.

One more tiny thing—John's British, and so is the spelling "encyclopaedia". Actually, it's how I spell it, too—both spellings are acceptable in Canada. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your honesty, and for your explanation. Go check out our latest conversation here.

By the way, quick question, which you stand a much better chance of knowing than I: Do you think this (that you found) translates to Tintin in China's Tibet or Tintin in Chinese Tibet? The latter is the way the article stands now after a (probably) knowledgeable editor revised it yesterday. Prhartcom (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I can't read Chinese, but the French translation is "Tibet chinois", which is "Chinese Tibet". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:55, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I know, and that's what the edit comment said too. OK thanks anyway. Prhartcom (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

You know what? Some Wikipedia editors, very few actually, are arrogant ass hats. These rare few actually believe they are better than everyone else. Not someone like Crisco 1492 (to pick a name at random). Despite his accomplishments, he remains as humble as the day he started at Wikipedia. And not you (to pick another name at random). Look at you: You have risen to a point where others come sit at your feet. But you are never arrogant. You have saddened me, sure, but for good reasons. With you, I can't buy that kind of honesty. Prhartcom (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, the condescending tone he's taking isn't helpful (anyone who takes a tone like that should expect initial resistance), but his advice is otherwise sound. Trust me, there are established editors with far worse interpersonal skills at Wikipedia. Sometimes it's best just to bite your tongue, choose your battles, etc etc. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you read this?

Registration card for Pah Wongso

• Was wondering if you can read this card, written during the Japanese occupation of Indonesia. Anything of use for the Pah Wongso article? (Yes, I know, another obscure subject only a GA reviewer will read). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • It looks legible—a prisoner was transferred to Bangkok?—but I'm on my phone at the moment, so wait 'til I get home to my laptop. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah, excellent. So this supports him being interned outside of Java (surprising, somewhat). Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Sorry I haven't gotten back to you—we're preparing for a hōji, a Buddhist memorial service for my mother-in-law for the seventh anniversary of her death, so we've been busy. Some of the kanji on the card were obscure—one that I managed to find in my dictionary isn't recognized by my IME, and there are a couple that I still don't recognize and haven't had the chance to ask anyone about (we'll be seeing my father-in-law today—he's good at reading these things). He was definitely in a Thai POW camp (泰俘虜収容所—"泰" is Thailand), but I can't tell if this card is annoncing he will be moved, or if it's a record of him having been moved. It's dated 20 August 1945 (Shōwa 20), though, not 1942 like the article says. I gotta wonder what would've been happening on such a date—Japan announced surrender on the 15th, but didn't sign the official documents until 2 September. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
        • Thank you so much! Perhaps they were getting ready to send him back to the Indies? Doubt it, though. I mean, that's a fairly expensive proposition, and since he (stated himself that he) was held in Malaya and Singapore, that would be moving further away from his home. I'll fix the date. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
          • The first line says he was in a Thai POW camp in 29 October Shōwa 17 (1942), then it seems on 4 January Shōwa 18 (1943) was transferred somewhere (different part of the camp? Or just put under different management?), and finally transferred to Bangkok on 20 August 1945 to the "annexation forces" (? 併合国軍—a term that doesn't come up in a search). Some of the terms were abbreviations, and it may be that some of the others were as well. I think probably the only info you could confidently use in the article is the 1942 date and the fact that he was in Thailand all that time. I didn't notice at first the upper numbers were dates—I'm not used to seeing Japanese dates without the kanji for year, month, and day attached to them—so I guess it's not incorrect that the card was originally filled out in 1942. Personally, I'd drop the date from the caption, though. I have to carry a card that's filled out in a similar way—every time I move or change jobs, it gets handwritten onto the back like this. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
            • Hmmm ... Thailand appears to have had different borders [6][7] during WWII. Perhaps he was kept in a camp that, following WWII, was on the Malay side of a border move or something? It sure seems weird that he would say he was in Malay and Singapore and totally forget the three years he spent in Thailand. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
              • Oh no, the ref also has Thailand (and Burma, and Siam, and the two listed in the article). See this, right side of the page. I'll include Thailand if it appears he was there much/most of the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                • "Singapure, Malaysia, Burma, Siam, Thailand" ... isn't "Siam" Thailand? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                  • Indeed. Hence why said term is not in the article. Speaking of Siam, did you ever play Risk? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                    • A few times when I was a teenager, but I was bigger on Axis & Allies—why? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                      • Ah, if you didn't play the game that much, you wouldn't get it. It's a common strategy to occupy Siam and the Indies, take control of Australia, and collect bonus points turn after turn while you build up your forces to take over the rest of the world. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Helpless!

Curly Turkey I don't know if it is right to come to you now but I can do everything but I can't re-write the lead of Bade Achhe Lagte Hain. I can resolve the rest of the issues but I can't re-write the lead to meet MOS:LEDE. I've tried a lot...please help me. I have tried many times but I can't resolve this one. I'm helpless...Tamravidhir (talk!) 11:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey I just couldn't resolve any of the issues! I am not finding any suitable example as, if this article becomes a GA then this will be first article related to Indian television to become a GA on Wikipedia.. I just want someone the show me the path. Please please! Please please please I beg you...(you won't understand how I feel now, it can't be expressed in words) help me! And if you help me then I will be highly indebted to you! Tamravidhir (talk!) 12:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I saw this comment and read the article. Tamravidhir, I'm afraid a lot of work is needed on the entire article, not just the lead. I will spent a few minutes doing what I can to help and then offer a few comments on the article Talk page. Prhartcom (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: Thank you so much! Please please please please please please help me...! Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I will, you poor thing! :-) I am looking at it now. But you have a lot of work ahead of you; I hope you are ready for that. I will leave more comments there. Prhartcom (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: Aargh the comments! But yes they are wanted and I'm ready to work! Just that I can't see the path! When I worked on Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad to make it a GA I didn't face so many challenges! Now this is something which I call challenging! But I want to do this not only for me but also for WP:Indian television and WP:India. It'll be a great moment for "us"!...Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I just looked at your GA article; you did that?? Great job! I have no doubt now that you will succeed. The example articles I showed you will show you the path, and I will hang around as you work. Now let us get off poor Curly Turkey's page! Prhartcom (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• @Tamravidhir: don't worry so much about fixing the lead right now. For now, you just need to be sure that all the info in the lead is also in the body, and that the citations are in the body, too. Like I said, the lead is supposed to summarize the body, so work on the body for now, and the lead will be easy to fix later. The prose quality is something you can leave to copyeditors to fix. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much Curly Tureky! I'm hyperactive now am very very excited! How can I get to know when a set of DYK will appear on the main page! You know what it's my first DYK which will be appearing on the main page! Please tell me quick! Please please please! Wanna know fast! It's already at prep 4...Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

And as far as the article and its lead is concerned I am working on it now...Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I can help you with DYK—I haven't doe one in a long time, but I know the rules have changed considerably since the last time I did do one. Crisco 1492 would be the guy to ask, since you're in contact with him anyways. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:01, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh! I'm sorry...I didn't notify you. But all my questions have been answered. Thank you so much Curly Turkey. ^_^ Tamravidhir (talk!) 11:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to move pronunciations and other info from lead

I'm posting here to follow up on the recent Village Pump discussion, archived here, to move pronunciations and other info out of article lead sections. I'm inviting editors who participated in that discussion to comment on the Manual of Style:Lead section guideline. If you would like to participate, please add your comments to the discussion. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

FA Thanks

This user helped promote Freedom from Want (painting) to featured article status.

Thanks for your editorial contributions to Met Gala, which is now a WP:FA and part of an WP:FT.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thank you! But I think you mean Freedom from Want—I don't remember seeing Met Gala before. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Japanese language skills requested

Hi CT. Can you by any chance read [8]? I'm considering whether or not to write an article about Yamashina Hechigwan (山科ノ貫, I think), but all the sources I can find are basically copies of Sadler's book on the Tea Ceremony (which I'm currently reading, hence the interest). If this Japanese source is something new and interesting then I'll have a crack at creating a page about the guy, but if it's just another copy of Sadler then I won't bother. If you get a chance to take a look, I'd be jolly grateful. Cheers, Yunshui ^雲_水 12:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm...I'm being told I can't access the book. I'll take a look to see if it's in a local library. If I don't get back to you in a couple days, ping me. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

That's odd - try this link instead. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

• • • Sorry, it's not the book I can't access, it's the pages. I can only access from page 126. Google Books is more restricted overseas. And, no, it's not the Sadler book. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see - I never knew that about GBooks. Please don't trouble yourself with a trip to the local library on my account - since my proposed subject only seems to get mentioned once, I think it's unlikley that the book would constitute significant coverage anyway, and I'd hate to think of you fighting your way through the bureauocracy of the Japanese Public Library Service only to find that it's a passing mention of a completely different person by the same name (or possibly something to do with a transmural mountain department, if Gtranslate is anything to go by...). Much obliged nevertheless. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, checking out the library is no beaurocratic nightmare, and there's a good one near my workplace—but it's a moot point, as an online search turned up nothing in either the municipal or prefectural systems. If you're able to screencapture the page or something, you could send it to me and I could tell if if there's anything worthwhile in there. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

That's a good idea - can you drop me a line with your email address and I'll send it over? (Wikipedia's email system doesn't seem to do attachements). 07:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm ... I'm getting a "Unable to execute sendmail -t -i " error. I'll try again later. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It's almost as though the god of technology is determined to prevent you from ever seeing this text... have you been neglecting the sacrifices again?Yunshui ^雲_水 07:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I've been running out of virgin turkeys—young hens are so promiscuous these days. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

All hail!

My own burnt offerings do not appear to be producing a pleasing aroma to the Lord. Smells more like burning tyres. Yunshui ^雲_水 07:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It probably wasn't a virgin, either. Are you able to drop me a line? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I never thought of that... YGM. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• It doesn't look very helpful—the passage only mentions him in passing, although the way he's name-dropped suggests to me he's someone readers are expected to know of. Googling around, it appears "山科ノ貫" is a common misspelling of "山科丿貫". "ノ" is the katakana "no", while "丿" is an uncommon kanji "hechi". "Hechinogan" would be a modern transliteration, and should be the one you use unless sources overwhelmingly prefer the "w". Here's the ja.wp page on him (where he's listed as just 丿貫—Yamashina is where he had a retreat/hermitage, so I guess he's known as "that Hechigan guy from Yamashina"). It gives a couple of books (in Japanese, of course) as references, both of which are in the municipal library system—one in that branch that's close to my workplace, and the other in a branch that's kinda-sorta on the way home. Innarested? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:30, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

You betcha! Interesting note on the kanji/katakana confusion (I noticed in the source I sent you that he's referred to as 山科の丿貫, which would indeed be "Hechigan of Yamashina", if I'm not mistaken). So far all the English language sources I've located are quoted from Sadler's book (linked earlier in this thread) which uses "Hechigwan" (it's an old book, so a lot of the transliterations are rather old-fashioned); for the time being I'll go with that. There's quite a lot about him in that book, certainly enough for me to write an article, but without some additional third-party sources he'd fail the "multiple sources" requirement of GNG, hence my reticence - those two Japanese directories could be just the thing. I suspect that Sadler's work was based on them, so the information may well be similar, but some of the content of the ja-wiki article isn't in Sadler, so clearly there's more information out there.

I think the best course of action is probably for me to knock together an article about the guy based on Sadler's book - if you have a chance to get hold of the Yoshikawakobunkan or Shinjinbutsuoraisha in the next week or two, I'd be grateful if you could either send me a translation or just add information directly to the article. In fact, I'm grateful anyway; thank you immensely for helping me out with this. Yunshui ^雲_水 07:57, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I doubt Sadler's work was based on those sources—one's from 1987. If I don't get back to you with the sources in the next couple days, gimme another ping. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Article's up and running at Yamashina Hechigwan. I've tacked the two sources from ja-wiki on the end, just so's they're in there. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Shit, I took photos of Hechikan's entries in four books at the library on the weekend, and then forgot to add them to the article. I've added two of them so far; I'll try to find the time to add the others. All the books were encyclopaedias with very short (one-paragraph) entries. I get the feeling there must be something more substantial out there if so many encyclopaedias have entries on him. Hopefully I'll run across something sometime. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I imagine you'll want to see this—go straight to page 13 ("his words and deeds were always commendable. Regrettably, I have forgotten them so can’t recount them here." ). There's a lengthy-ish bio here, but it wouldn't count as a RS. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:17, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

And this. Also, this book looks promising, but I can't access it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You, sir, rock. Thanks so much; there's some great stuff here. I can't access Stories from a Tea Room Window online either - but by fortuitious coincidence, I actually have a copy in my bag right now; how spooky. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Whilst you're busy being awesome, is there anything in the ja-wiki article that could be used to expand Sakakibara Kenkichi? Yunshui ^雲_水 08:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I've expanded it somewhat, but what I've added is unsourced. It's a bit tough for me—I'm not really familiar with martial arts terminology in either language, so you may want to clean up what I've added. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Much obliged - I've sourced most of the new material (and in the process found an excellent new source with which to expand the article). And joy of joys, you've provided me with some more redlinks to fill in! Yunshui ^雲_水 08:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, God—I've created another Crisco! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Maniacal laugh." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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SPI "Clued"

Just thought you should know about this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner I saw that edit and thought it was unusual, but did not make any connection to any other user in partcular. - Marchjuly (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that. I'm not sure I've ever interacted with this user before, but skimming the indef block decision, it looks like they have a pattern of socking on RMs. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:02, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I looked through Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner/Archive and found Clodhopper Deluxe, who took part in the discussion that removed mandatory dismabiguation of Japanese places (supporting my position), had a discussion with me on this page about the disambiguation scheme, and another at Talk:Kundō Koyama about a template for non-Latin characters. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Troll sockpuppet

• Figured that person was up to no good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
  • But what an odd way to troll. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• Trolls love drama. See? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • That one's too good to throw away. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:11, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

• Love it. :D — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

• And not just Clued, but also Voice of reason 2—another commenter there who has now been blocked as a sock of Kauffner. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Kauffner. What a list. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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Well, thanks! Has it been two years already? I'd hoped to do about ten Chester Brown FAs by now ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:13, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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Oh, yum! My sister told me they made a turducken this year—where are they supposed to fit the stuffing? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing the Nature link at William Beach Thomas. I'm guessing that the article had moved. I'm less sure about this. Do we not capitalise proper names? - Sitush (talk) 10:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Sitush: the National parks of England and Wales article downcases it, so I was just following that. If that's an error, feel free to revert it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:06, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I see, thanks. I won't revert for now: let's wait on the thoughts of others, who will doubtless comment at the FAC discussion if there are concerns. - Sitush (talk) 11:09, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Is this some kind of procedural thing? The description already states no free images are available, and no free replacements have been proposed ... ?? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:19, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not arguing that free images exist (I'm happy to take your word for it that they don't), the issue is that a free image could be created. Per WP:NFCC, "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." This means that non-free images of living people are rarely, if ever, appropriate. The case is specifically mentioned on WP:NFC: "Non-free content should not be used when a freely licensed file that serves the same purpose can reasonably be expected to be uploaded, as is the case for almost all portraits of living people." J Milburn (talk) 13:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not going to bother disputing, then—delete away. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:22, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 19:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for all you do. ```Buster Seven Talk 20:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, wasn't that pleasant! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:51, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! Well deserved. Prhartcom (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thatnks a lot! It was unexpected! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

De Gruyter books to keep in mind if I happen to get an account

• From Comic Strips to Graphic Novels: Contributions to the Theory and History of Graphic Narrative, Ed. by Stein, Daniel / Thon, Jan-Noël
• Frans Masereel: eine annotierte Bibliographie des druckgraphischen Werkes, Ed. by Ritter, Paul
• Bild ist Text ist Bild, Ed. by Hochreiter, Susanne / Klingenböck, Ursula
• Literatur-Comics (2012), Schmitz-Emans, Monika
• Comics (2013), Grünewald, Dietrich
• Peasant Scenes and Landscapes (2012), Silver, Larry

Please help

1. Template:Did you know nominations/Bucko
2. Template:Did you know nominations/From The Doctor to my son Thomas

Can you please help with these two?

I think there's a significant language barrier with the nominator here as he's getting lots of facts from the articles horribly wrong.

Thank you,

— Cirt (talk) 12:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Are you asking me to propose alternate hooks? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:10, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and/or just in general to watch those two pages as I'm not too active myself these days at DYK, ok? — Cirt (talk) 21:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I've watchlisted them, and I'll see if I can come up with some decent hooks, but it's been quite some time since I've bothered with DYK. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:10, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

We're all set with From The Doctor to my son Thomas], which incidentally recently got promoted to WP:GA, but could use some help at Template:Did you know nominations/Bucko. — Cirt (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on the GA! I've added a couple ALTs to Bucko. I don't think either are spectacular, though. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much, hope that helps. — Cirt (talk) 00:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wild Pilgrimage

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A review by Bruce1ee! Some of the earliest articles I put on my watchlist were the Henry Cow and Slapp Happy articles I've seen you put an awful lot of work into. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Well thank you, I had no idea you liked that kind of music! —Bruce1ee^talk 06:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't get nealy enough quiet time these days to listen to HC, but there was a time in my life when I listened to them obsessively (I especially like Unrest). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Master of Puppets

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Your GA nomination of I Never Liked You

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• Awesome! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wild Pilgrimage

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An excellent Turkey for your collection

Hafspajen (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• Looks a little skinny—it'll need some stuffing! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

TFAR discussion

Please see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Three Beauties of the Present Day. — Cirt (talk) 00:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• Saw it & tweaked the blurb. I wonder if it's too short ... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I had it before at just under 1200 characters with spaces, so at this point probably could go up a tad bit. — Cirt (talk) 01:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
    • Okay, I've got it up to 1193B. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
      • Hopefully that's good. I didn't realize this nomination would cause a fuss about Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Nativity (Christus). These two pieces of artwork are: (1) from different time periods, (2) about completely different subjects, (3) of different styles, (4) from different parts of the planet. So I sincerely hope both can appear and that in and of itself will increase, not decrease, variety on the Main Page. :) — Cirt (talk) 09:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
        • Did someone object? I don't see anyone even mentioning it. Whatever, the article's not tied to any particular time---it could be put off. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
          • • Right, I put it as a non-specific date nomination so hopefully that indicates some intent at flexibility on the part of the nominator with regards to lack of specificity towards any particular intended date, of which there is none. — Cirt (talk) 00:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Little Nemo book of my dreams...

I want this book so badly it hurts. Unfortunately, I think I'd have to file for divorce to get it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

• Too close to Wikipedia "work", or the price tag? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:39, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • No, no---the fact that the book is nearly two feet tall, and my wife thinks I already have altogether too many books. The thing's so big & heavy that apparently the slip case has a handle on it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I mean, she wouldn't be too thrilled with the price, either, but it's not like I'd tell her what it was. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
    • LOL. That'll cause some serious strife. My wife has the same problem with my book buying books. I think we have something like 2000 or so. Mostly fiction. (Crisco)36.81.66.153 (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
      • I've weeded out most of the all-text books I had that were either in the library or available digitally to make room for comics and art books, although I've still kept stuff by more digital-averse authors and stuff that doesn't work well digitally (like books with glosses in the margins). I've never counted my collection, but I'm fairly sure it's not in the 2000-volume range ... sigh ... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 04:04, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
        • That's dedication. I don't like going for ebooks when a good paper version is available, as the ebooks are harder to carry around on the media I have. (My wife's given up on stopping me from buying books, even if I can spend the average Indonesian's month's wages in a single trip... I bought 15 titles a couple weeks back, and she just sighed... mind, these were poetry collections that don't seem to have been reprinted)
        • On a completely unrelated note, I'll be in Tokyo in... 3 days. But only the airport. Crap. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:12, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
          • Well, if you happen to pass Mt Fuji, you'll probably be within sight of my house (remember to wave! We're to the southwest). Which airport are you stopping through? I'd've assumed Narita until the last couple years, but now Haneda's handling international flights, too. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 04:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
          • The "media you have"—do you mean a laptop? Once I got a Kobo, that was it—no going back to paper for me. I got an Aura last year and they threw in this beautiful cover that automatically sleeps the device when it closes. Doesn't work well with PDFs, though, so it's no good for textbooks. Maybe it wouldn't be that great with poetry, either, or anything that really depends on the formatting of the text. For novels or straight non-fiction, though, it's awesome. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 04:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
            • Yeah, laptop. I used to have a phone that had an ebook reader, but I stopped using it. I'll wave... hope you've got the telescope ready. It'll be Narita, with All Nippon Airways. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
              • I've heard they've got good service, but haven't flown them myself. I assume you're visiting the folks? Winter's come early this year, I hear&nbsp.... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 05:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
                • Yep. Nasty frickin' flight. Yogyakarta-Jakarta-Tokyo-Newark-Detroit. Something like 2 days. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Passed by to say I just love the juxtaposition of Harunobu and Little Nemo :)))) ...And I've just found your enhanced Ukiyo-e page... Wow! Gives me reason to say "Awesome!" 86.164.164.29 (talk) 09:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, thank you very much, IP! You have fine tastes! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 11:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Huge respect (and admiration) for your work! 86.164.164.29 (talk) 12:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I tried

Well, I tried waving. Shame I was on the right side and not the left, all I got was water. Best long-distance flight I've ever had. Nobody under the age of 10 on the plane. Do you know how peaceful that is? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Do you think I know how peaceful it is? Hello—father of three here! Do you know if you even flew past Fuji? I know flight paths usually aren't what you'd expect (something about the curvature of the earth). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 08:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Yep, we flew past Fuji (on our left). Didn't see that, sadly. Boarding for the next leg in... 5 minutes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, I hope you got some decent J-grub in the airport, at least? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Didn't eat, no. Was interested in the sushi, but... no time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
        • Sushi's one thing I can't stomach—even the smell of vinegar makes me queasy ... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
          • I'll be sure to put money aside to eat it next time... it would be nice to try Japanese sushi, even if it is airport sushi. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

re Three Hotties

Yeah I agree that in the end I guess there wasn't much to worry about or cause for concern.

The assumptions about my motivation or intent with the nomination were wholly incorrect, I was simply looking for high quality and topical articles to nominate. — Cirt (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Whatever discussion you're hinting at, I never noticed it. Was it on a page I haven't watchlisted? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • <opening thesaurus>Hotties = beauties = beautiful women = sexy ladies = .... Three beauties... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I meant the resistance to the nomination Cirt was hinting at. I never saw any discussion where anyone meant it. And I've been lectured before on the non-equivalence of "cute", "sexy", "pretty", "hot", etc. These things matter to people, Crisco. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Indeed (very different meanings), but that doesn't mean they won't be listed in a thesaurus together. I think Cirt may be referring to how Bencherlite responded to the nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
        • Where did he respond? I don't see anything in the request, on the TFAR talk page, or on Cirt's or Bencherlite's talk pages. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
          • I think it's in the archives... but it wasn't mentioned directly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 19:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Tsugaru-jamisen

Hey Curly. This is a long shot, but do you happen to know anyone trained in playing in the tsugaru-jamisen style who might be willing to release a clip of themselves performing under a Creative Commons or other compatible license? I'll be working on this article probably starting in January, and I like to find clips of these instruments so readers know what it sounds like. Prose only goes so far. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 06:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• There's a guy who lives right behind me who plays the shamisen. I don't know anything about shamisen genres, but I could ask the guy. Even if he doesn't play tsugaru-jamisen himself, perhaps he knows someone who does. Do you need a video, or would just audio be good? Copyright's only fifty years after death in Japan, so perhaps there's a recording old enough that could be used. I'm fairly absent-minded, so ping me if I forget to get back to you. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 07:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that's amazing! Audio recording is sufficient (I think it's most important to illustrate the percussive effect of the genre), but if a compatible video is easy to obtain, that would be great. I'll probably poke you again in a few weeks. Oh hey, are you doing KFC for the holidays? :P I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 18:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No, I never do. It'd just make me feel bad about not having real turkey... They used to have smoked turkey legs for Christmas, though, but they don't seem to have it on the menu this year. Not that I'd get that, either... smoked turkey tastes like ham to me, and I think it was something like ¥700 a piece. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 20:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Restaurant, or to cook? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • You mean the smoked legs? They just stick 'em in a bag, nothing special. I don't like 'em. If I wanted something that tasted like ham, I'd just buy ham at a fraction of the price. A guy I worked with told me he makes turkey every year with one of these—they're about 13,000 yen in Japan. I told my wife about it yesterday. I should've taken a picture of the look she gave in response. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• A hundred and thirty bucks!!!!!!! Holy craporola. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh—so you side with her. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 20:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Last time I spent that kind of money on food, I was feeding 15 people. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • That's not a hundred and thirty bucks for the turkey---it's for the cooker. The turkey itself is ... priceless. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed. More priceless than a mint-condition original series Beanie Baby. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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Turkey vulture? You care! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:00, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! I think you have to submit File:Jefferson Airplane.jpg for discussion again. Your first request was closed because you made a typo [9]. You did correct it, but the discussion is already closed. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, isn't that obnoxious. Thanks for the notice—I hope I've got it right now. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 11:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

The Who

Sorry if I got in your way there. Did you see how very close our edits were though? Yours were better so I self-reverted. Great minds think alike, perhaps? --John (talk) 22:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

The article has gotten fairly long, now, and I'm thinking it should be looked through for details that could be cut rather than just tightening the prose. I'll give you first dibs to avoid edit conflicts. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh no, I am complete agreement with that and that wasn't a nudge for precedence or anything like that. Nice work, and keep it up. --John (talk) 23:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I meant I'll give you first go at looking for things to cut so we don't end up conflicting again. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Up for a bit of Japanese research?

Hi CT. Seems I only find my way over here when I need something, so for the sake of appearing as though I had some other excuse, Merry Christmas! What, too early? Happy Bodhi Day, then!

Anyway, I was wondering whether you might have the time to look into something for me, since I have neither the language skills nor the resources to do so. I've found a very good - albeit offline - tertiary source regarding a Muromachi-era go player named Jūami (重阿弥), but I can't find anything else in English about the guy. As Japan's first professional go player, he's worth an article, but I suspect the only other sources available are going to be in Japanese, which as you know, I barely understand.

I know he gets mentioned in the following contemporary sources (don't know the kanji, sorry):

• Konoe Masaie, Ko-Hokyoin-Ki
• Ninagawa Chikamoto, Mandokoro Fumei Hikitsuke
• Yamishina Tokikuni, Tokikuni Kyo-ki

He was also a priest of the Jishu sect, and was associated with both Fukudaiji and Seiganji temples. No entry on Wikipedia for any of these.

Not a lot to go on, I know, but if you can dig up one or two sources about the guy (and give me a rough translation) I'd be immensely grateful! Cheers, Yunshui ^雲_水 12:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Too bad you didn't ask me this morning---I was just at the library. I'll see if I can find something, but if I don't get back to you in a week or two, poke me again. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Marvellous, thank you. No rush, as always. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Your toolbag

Good morrow, Curly Turkey. As you are up on these things, do you know of a tool to magically convert Wikipedia:Bare URLs to the cite templates? I am working on a GA review of David Hume and it has a preponderance of them. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 13:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You might find User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks useful; it does precisely that. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for stalking me, Yunshui (you who improved Bonshō); this will come in handy! I see that it skipped a few URLs, namely those that look like: "<ref>Text before the URL [https://books.google.co.uk]</ref>" and skipped all the "<ref>Author, Book, Text without a URL etc.</ref>", but it got quite a few. Thanks! Cheers, all. Prhartcom (talk)

For Google Books, you want Reftag—not a script, and you'll have to do each case individually, but enormously useful (it even correctly hyphenates ISBNs, which Google doesn't bother to do). Probably the tool I use the most (especially easy to use with my setup using Conkeror—I've got Reftag set up as a webjump, which saves me a number of steps. Unless you're comfortable with Emacs I wouldn't necessarily recommend Conkeror, though). For "<ref>Author, Book, Text without a URL etc.</ref>" kind of stuff, that would be quite the script that could handle it automatically—there's nothing I know of right now. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Kudos

Just wanted to say how good it is when I see your name next to an edited page on my watchlist. I know it's going to be a smart, substantive edit. Same with User:TriiipleThreat and User:Betty Logan and others (who mostly do movie articles while you do graphic novels). I've had some absurd experiences lately on Wikipedia, and it's just good to know people like you, them and many other good colleagues are around and behaving like normal, civilized, mature human beings. Thanks for that. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 00:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thanks! I've noticed you've been missing these last several months. I hope whatever's keeping you away will get resolved. It's a good season for Kurtzman—a new thick biography is coming out and Jungle Book finally got reprinted for the first time in over a quarter century—and it's labelled "Essential Kurtzman Volume One", so I assume there's more to come (Hey Look!? A finally complete Goodman Beaver?) Take care, Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• • I'll have to get that bio; thanks for the head's up. I actually have a Jungle Book original paperback, and a Hey Look! collection that came out a few years ago. And thanks for the kinds words. I think it's all sorted out. Fingers crossed! --Tenebrae (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Harvey Kurtzman's Little Annie Fanny

Curly Turkey, just to casually mention: I too am a Kurtzman fan; have been for quite a while now. I have reprinted collections of his work on (Tales Calculated to Drive You) Mad and Little Annie Fanny (you probably do too). That latter collection has those great behind-the-scenes pages showing how he created the comic. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 01:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I don't have those Annie Fanny books—when they first came out, I wasn't interested, and when I finally became interested they had become a little pricy (read: I'm cheap). I've been keeping my eye on the used copies available at amazon.co.jp waiting for "my price" to pop up. Have you seen The Art of Harvey Kurtzman: The Mad Genius of Comics? I picked it up last time I was in Canada—it was in the delete bin for $10, and in perfect condition. It's got a section that reproduces Kurtzman's methods for doing Annie Fanny too, using translucent paper so you can see through from one stage to the next as Kurtman would've. Beautiful book, if you don't have it. Looks like US Amazon's got third-party sellers offering brand new copies for as low as $7.30—this is for a great big 11x10.5-in hardcover. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know about it! Ordering it now! I hope you can get both Annie Fanny books; such amazing work by Will Elder also. Prhartcom (talk) 01:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Oooh—I just noticed on the back cover of the new edition of Jungle Book that the second volume of "Essential Kurtzman" is indeed going to be Hey Look! (late 2015). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:17, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey and anyone else who is interested: I just noticed that a new "heavily researched biography" of Harvey Kurtzman is being published in a few months: here it is on the American Amazon.com. I think I'll get it so that I can improve the article Little Annie Fanny. Prhartcom (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I've got that pre-ordered—I've long wanted to finish of the Harvey Kurtzman article, and a bunch of related ones. After you mentioned the Annie Fanny books last time, I checked them out on amazon.co.jp again—the cheapest volume was about $90! Hopefully they'll get reprinted now that Dark Horse is handling other Kurtzman books, too. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Good, I hoped you had, so it won't be long now for both of us before we own that book. I'm so sorry to hear that about the price of the Annie books; that reminds me of when I was filling my library with the 20 or so Tintin literary analysis books; some of them were that price and I managed to avoid ever paying it by continually looking elsewhere. I see that Annie volume 1 is $16 used (202 pages of comics and 22 pages of analysis) and volume 2 is $33 used (202 pages of comics and 38 pages of analysis) here in the States, so I hereby volunteer to getting them for you and then shipping them to you there in JP. I have been re-reading them since we last talked; I am no expert but the quality of the writing and art is so high this must be Kurtzman and Elder's best work. Prhartcom (talk) 18:00, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Exciting update: I have started the improvement to Little Annie Fanny in my sandbox: right here. I would be interested in hearing what you think (I look to you as one of the world's Harvey Kurtzman experts). Prhartcom (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Ha! I've been a Kurtzman fan for a while, but certainly no expert—there's still quite a bit of his stuff I haven't read (at leaast half of the war stories, most of the Hey, Look!s, a lot of the Annie Fanny stuff...) I think I only started getting interested in his stuff after The Comics Journal shoved so much of it into its best 100 list in 1999—I picked up Jungle Book when it was still affordable, and not long after that DC started putting out these magazines that reprinted the old Mad colour comic books three to an issue—after that I was sold, but unless you've got deep pockets, it's been hard to get your hands on this stuff—even when the stuff's in print. DCs Mad Archives have a cover price of $50 even though there's nothing special about the printing job they're given (I've got three of them that I found for decent prices, but have yet to find volume 2 at a price I'm willing to pay. I've got all the content elsewhere so I'm not in a hurry). Compare those things to Fantagraphics' Carl Barks Library—far nicer books (in my opinion) with tons of background material for basically half the price. That's DC for you, I suppose...

You've got my interest peaked on those Annie books...I wonder what the shipping would cost. It's too bad we didn't talk a few months ago, before the yen took a dive. I was waiting 'til Christmas to order a few books from the States, and I'm totally regretting it now...

I've watchlisted your Annie Fanny page. You might want to swipe some of the background from the Goodman Beaver article, since it's all sourced already. I'm desperately hoping that'll be Volume 3 of the "Essential Kurtzman"—the last time Goodman Beaver was in print was thirty years ago, and it was missing "Goodman Goes Playboy", which has now miraculously fallen into the public domain. And since Dark Horse is doing Kurtzman anyways, maybe they'll bring Annie back in print? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Do you know if Toonopedia a reliable source? It's certainly a remarkable website; he should write it down on actual paper and publish it. It's being sourced by the Annie article now. There are two other self-published websites being sourced by this article that I know I have to delete (and that will leave the article almost completely unsourced, which is fine for now), but I would hate to delete this one. I did a quick search of some of your FAs and haven't found an example of you citing it. Thanks for your advice. Prhartcom (talk) 03:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:COMICS considers it reliable, and Markstein's a published writer. He won't be doing anything with it, though—he died a couple of years ago. I remember after he died there were problems with the site and some members of WP:COMICS were making efforts to transfer the info on it to a new site or something. I don't know who handles it now, so I'd suggest backing up any page you use at archive.org or webcite.org. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 03:36, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Oops—I just tried to backup the source used in Goodman Beaver, and it looks like it's requested no archiving. I wonder who's managing the site? I worry about it suddenly going down. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 03:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Update: Ohmygosh, there it is, why did I check that FA last? Okay, question answered, thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 03:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I almost edit conflicted with you on your previous edit; I was trying to post before you saw my question since I answered myself (after I finally saw that you had cited it). Thanks for your answer; that's good to know, and thanks for his update; sorry to hear that. You know, the site was down for two entire days earlier this week. Since I had never visited it before I assumed it was a hack site like the other two I mentioned above. During that time I actually researched and found that the domain name will need to be renewed soon; I was thinking that if it didn't ever come back up I was actually thinking of snagging it after it expired then sell it back to somebody. :-) We don't know by the minimal research I am referring to who runs the site; it is held anonymously. Interesting. Prhartcom (talk) 03:51, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Ooh—it might be worth announcing to WP:COMICS that the site's up for renewal. Maybe somebody already knows of an alternative site or something. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 03:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

He registered it February 06, 2001 but it was renewed February 20, 2013 (after it had expired)--after he died probably, right? Then someone is taking care of it. Prhartcom (talk) 04:00, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Just a quick word of thanks again for watching the page that will become the new Little Annie Fanny article, Harvey Kurtzman's greatest masterpiece. I would appreciate it if you would continue let me know if you think anything is going in the wrong direction on the sandbox's talk page. (For example, I would like to write the Synopsis section in universe but don't seem to be doing so, because there is too much to summarize, and I hope what I'm doing is okay. Also, I seem to be writing the Characters section in prose rather than list form; I don't like the lists but I could be wrong about that.) Thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the way you're organizing it is fine. For the summary, a way I might apporach it is to write (say) a paragraph giving a general summary of the strip as a whole, and then antoher or more to highlight individual stories or trends (chronologically or thematically). But I don't think it's bad as it is—it's clear when it's in-universe and when it's out-of-universe, and I think it's a hairsplitting reading of the MoS to stick exclusively with one style or the other—the important thing is whether it's clear or not when it's in and when it's out, and I think it is in your summary. Other than that, the only real criticism I have is that it tends to be wordy—but don't worry aout that until you've fleshed the article out more. That level of copyediting should be saved for the final stages when the content and organization are more-or-less stable.

Oh, and if you think Annie's Kurtzman's masterpiece, you should really hunt down some Goodman Beaver. My favourite's "Goodman Meets S*perm*n" (with Elder). All in black-and-white, but—Holy Christ!—what linework! Elder at his peak (and that's saying something!) Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 11:47, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

That's exciting to hear about Goodman Beaver's S*perm*n! I haven't seen it and hope to be given the opportunity (right now I'm writing about Goodman as if I know what I'm talking about). Do you have the group of books Mad About the Fifties (and Sixties and Seventies and Eighties)? Fifties has much beautifully reproduced work of his from Mad. My new book that you recommended The Mad Genius of Comics is here and it is everything you said about it; extremely impressive, and leads me to even more respect for the man (he influenced Gloria Steinem? Terry Gilliam?! and John Cleese?!! And he pretty much invented the only style of satire I've ever known?) And Cartoonists Who Changed the World should be here tomorrow. One of us, either you, in the Harvey Kurtzman article, or I in this article, needs to include the emotionally powerful Harry Shearer quote I read last night: "Harvey Kurtzman blazed a trail that made a lot more money for the people who followed him." I suppose that is always the case with pioneers. Thanks very much for your encouragement on the Annie article so far. I will follow your advice. P.S. Time to archive the ol' Talk page. Happy New Year. Prhartcom (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm lazy—for some reason I like to put off archiving until everything's nice and ancient. I don't have any of those Mad Abouth the <Decade> books, but I've seen some of them. I have both magazine reprints and Mad Archives of Kurtzman's fifties stuff, so that would be a bit overkill ;) That's a good quote from Shearer—I'll definitely be returning to the Kurtzman article once I get the new bio—I've neglected the "Legacy" section in particular. Two of my biggest goals were to bring the Kurtzman and Winsor McCay articles to FA—I've given up on the McCay, though, as all of a sudden there is a pile of very expensive full-length books out there on his work: Katherine Roeder's Wide Awake in Slumberland, the new Taschen Complete Little Nemo (whose second volume is devoted to being an in-depth history of McCay's work), and the upcoming Dinomania by Ulrich Merkl. The article could hardly be considered "comprehensive" without making full use of these sources, but I could hardly maintain my marriage if I actually went out and bought these books Kurtzman's another story, though, and I'm confident I'll have his article at FAC by the end of summer (followed by Harvey Kurtzman's editorship of Mad). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:25, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

If only we could make it down to the New York Public Library, they have six copies of the most expensive of those three on the shelves, but my Dallas Public Library doesn't have it. Look to me for support and review of those Harvey Kurtzman efforts. Prhartcom (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Six copies! Surely they wouldn't miss one Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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English phonology

Be sure to read up on other dialects aside from the manufactured General American dialect before you make claims as to whether certain things are done in North America or not. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I wrote something about North America? Nope, I didn't, did I? I removed the claim that it was general to English, which is both untrue and not claimed by Roach's source (y'see, I've actually read the source). And I sure as fuck made no claims about "General American"---I'm Canadian. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps it isn't general to English, but it is indeed dialectal. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 12:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

"Dialectical" ain't what is says, is it? Now get a source, or leave it alone. Two days ago, the lead of the article indeed claimed it was general to most dialects of English, which is utter horseshit and uncited. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Ho, ho! Watch your language, if you could. Please remember to stay civil during discussions. Your outlook is less likely to be understood if you are swearing every other sentence.

If you wish to have the statement changed to "In some English dialects", that's perfectly fine. I take no issue with that. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 13:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

(a) Swearing does not equal UNCIVIL, so you can drop the lecturing tone; and (b) We don't make claims counter to what the sources claim—and Roach's book (the source used) is a text on "how English is pronounced in the accent normally chosen as the standard for people learning the English spoken in England" and Roach emphasizes it "is not written for people who wish to study American pronunciation". Before removing the information from voiceless palatal fricative I made a search and could find no source that backed it up, as you can see from my edit summary there. Long story short: find a source, or leave it alone. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm always interested in learning about other dialects, so I'm not close-minded when it comes to alternative pronunciations, but still I have to ask: where's your proof that /hj/ doesn't become /ç/ (i.e. that the transcription would not actually be /hj/ [ç])? Moreover, making "only British English", "only American English" or other "only [major variety of an area]" statements doesn't really do one any good, considering the actual dialectal variance present. For instance, where I live, /hj/ is very unstable, and is very susceptible to becoming either /ç/ or /j/. From memory, I have only heard /ç/ or /j/, and I don't think I've ever heard someone pronounce /hj/ as /hj/ within my area before. I've just supposed that there were some dialects out there that actually did pronounce /hj/ as /hj/, or that "/hj/" was really "/hj/ [ç]/". Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I really don't get what you're not understanding about "get a source". I made the effort and looked. I found nothing. The onus is on you to source any statement you want in that article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Tharthandorf Aquanashi, statements above such as "where I live", "From memory, I have only heard", and "I don't think I've ever heard" indicate original research and is meaningless in Wikipedia, which is instead built on reliable, secondary sources. Feel free to leave a message on my Talk page if you need assistance. Prhartcom (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: I bid thee not chide me as if I were a newcomer. I have been on Wikipedia for a very long time (even before I made my account years ago, I had been on Wikipedia for several years). I had never made those claims within the article, I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of the claim being made to my ears. Please take words within their context. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thine ears matters not, only thy sources. Pray, do not continue to ignore this weighty point that we repeatedly bring up, thus. (Please do not answer me; I am but a mere intruder here. My point is made. Cheers.) Prhartcom (talk) 18:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The "claim" was only the one in Roach's article: that /hj/ becomes /ç/ in British English. There was nothing in the wording that indicated it was exclusive to BrEng, but I wasn't about to extend it to "and other dialects" without a source to back it up, either. The "only British English" you "quote" above never existed in any version of the article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:02, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. My concern was merely that we not add in definite wording to something that isn't definite, as often happens on Wikipedia. If that was not your intent, then pardon my words. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 00:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you be happier with an "as in British English"-type wording? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:12, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 15:37, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!

Hello Curly Turkey! As we gather to celebrate the changing of years and reflect on the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, I would like to wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Attached is a small snack which I hope will give you the energy to continue being an amazing person and editor in the coming year. Happy editing,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

*gobble gobble* ... Mmm! ... is them Triscuits? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• I do believe so. The snowball-looking things are meat dips for the crackers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

	Happy Christmas
	Curly Turkey, I wish a Happy Christmas to you and your family! Prhartcom (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Merry Christmas to you, too! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season

Winter in Eastern art? Winter in Western art... eh

		Happy Holiday Cheer
		Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys!Hafspajen (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Nollaig

	Nollaig shona duit
	Best christmas and new year. Another year down, and so much more to write. Thanks for all your contribuitions and being part of the community. Hope January is at least resonabally tolerable for you. Ceoil (talk) 23:59, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

huh

Temptation of St Anthony

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Something beautiful for the holidays

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Nice, thanks! My Mum loves "Hallelujah"—so much that when she saw me reading Beautiful Losers she asked to borrow it. She didn't get through many pages before regretting it... Happy Holidays! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Nara

OK, I think this is becoming clearer. Besides the current article subject we are discussing the move on, I am going to look further into Nara as a topic and see what else pops up, but for now I agree that we can't really call a primary topic on this yet.--Mark Miller (talk) 11:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that was quite the dance! I'm still onthe fence, myself. In Japanese, I hear Nara-ken far more often than Nara-shi, but Nara rarely comes up in my English conversations, so I don't feel comfortable opposing even though I feel like the move is wrong. I do feel strongly that we shouldn't give anything PRIMARYTOPIC until it really is overwhelmingly primary. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey

Goyō Hashiguchi, Yokugo no onna, 1915

Give me some naked men or woman. Need one for the article Hafspajen (talk) 12:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

See talk. Hafspajen (talk) 12:13, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you're looking for Tim Patch. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:39, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

NO, I never do that! Hafspajen (talk) 01:51, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you looking for a similar kind of image, or just any nude? Here's one I uploaded last summer (20th century Japan). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

And here's another I like, but I doubt it's what you're looking for. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

"Goodman Goes Playboy", Harvey Kurtzman & Will Elder, 1962

• That beautiful Hashiguchi Goyô Woodcut "Yuami" -we have her already - in the Nude (art)... Hafspajen (talk) 01:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Hughie's lifestyle - I am not sure I am much for it ... maybe it is not me the first to point it out - but it looks kinda superficial... Hafspajen (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

All I care about there is Elder's hatchwork. It's too bad a higher-res copy isn't available—it's in the public domain, after all... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:06, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Elder`s? Ah, Will Elder. Well, there were rather many naked women and men it it - actually. What do you do for Christmas in Japan? Hafspajen (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for Three Beauties of the Present Day on the present day ;) - precious again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

ps: I have a FAC open, DYK, hoping for 7 February which is soon ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

It's got three supports already, so I guess we'll be seeing it soon! My last FAC died after four weeks of silence... Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 09:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

A VERY nice article. Feeling a bit proud that my nom started it, ... Even if it was a bit of a nightmare, that one. Hafspajen (talk) 10:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, it wasn't a nightmare on my end—I really enjoyed researching and writing that article, and I'd love to do it again once I'm done my university courses (probably in the summer). Now that I've seen just how many sources I can make use of, I could probably write hundreds ... hopefully I'll restrain myself to a few favourites, though—I'd like to have a life outside WP as well .Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:02, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Upa Upa (The Fire Dance)

A rootbeer for you!

	A rootbeer for you!
	I hope that you had a very merry Christmas as well! Wassail! Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Three Beauties

良いお年を

おめでとうございます

お疲れ様でした

– Margin1522 (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

GA participation

Hey Turkey, I don't know if you have open GARs in the moment, but wanted to ask you to check Hidden Treasures (EP), a candidate of a collaborator of mine. It's relatively short article, and it won't take you much time to review it. Appreciate the input and happy New Year.--Retrohead (talk) 18:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't do GA reviews often, but at first glance it looks in good shape. Okay, I'll do it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I've begun the review, but the sourcing issues are serious enough that I've stopped. You might want to help out L1A1 FAL with the sourcing, as I imagine you'd have all the relevant sources. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Ukiyo-e

I did not intend to have "parentheses crashing into parantheses" as you accurately stated, but I meant to add the romanized form of the Japanese for Ukiyo-e, which is standard procedure for Japanese-related articles. The romanized form is ukiyoe. How would you go about adding this without messing up the other templates and thereby adding unwanted parentheses? Thanks. WikiWinters (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and I just noticed, you also removed the romanization of Utamaro. Again, how do I add this without using the nihongo template? WikiWinters (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

In these cases it's redundant at best: Ukiyo-e, or ukiyo-ye (浮世絵 ukiyoe?)—telling the reader that "ukiyo-e" is 浮世絵, which transliterates as...ukiyoe?—this is unhelpful clutter, and isn't any more "correct" as the hyphened version is a perfectly correct way to transliterate it in the first place. This is even worse with Kitagawa Utamaro (喜多川 歌麿 Kitagawa Utamaro, since the transliteration is character-for-character the same, down to the spacing and capitalization. This does no more that clutter up the opening line, interrupting the reading experience. The {{nihongo}} template should be reserved for when it's really needed. See Japan Self-Defense Forces for a simple case where it's used well. If you ever find that the code to implement it is more complicated than what's already there with providing legible improvements, then {{nihongo}} isn't doing it's job and should be avoided. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 21:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Taiko feedback

Hey Curly, I think I've (finally) addressed all of your feedback on Talk:Taiko. There's a couple of things I asked about, but I think this is ready to go back up to bat for FA. I'll see if I can get a hold of a few more reviewers. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 00:04, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Curly Turkey!

Happy New Year!

Curly Turkey,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Hafspajen (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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  • Now I just need a cooker! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 20:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)