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Administrators' newsletter – July 2022
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Vega Alta coords
Can you add coords to Vega Alta, Cuba, I created it a few mouths ago and don’t know how to add coords. CubanoBoi (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Done. Deor (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much, your amazing! CubanoBoi (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Regarding Henri Mordacq
About your edits to Mordacq, please be advised that just as Wikipedia is the Encyclopedia Britannica of the internet, Internet Archive is the library of the internet. Millions of books have been scanned into the site, and they are available free of charge if you sign up for a free account. Knowing that you can go directly to a reference, and from a footnote directly to the page that cites that reference, gives Wikipedia an incredible edge over hard copy books. Also, the domain name, https://archive.org/ has been around since the mid 1990's, and will never be a broken link. I wish Wikipedia had an exceptions rule for external links (my understanding is that an external link may one day result in a dead link, which is why they are discouraged), because if it did, Internet Archive would top the list. So, sign up for a free account.🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord Milner: Creating a "References" section with external links to the home pages of WorldCat and the Internet Archive is absolutely useless. A reference has to be placed inline, immediately after the information it supports, and needs to include basic information like the title of a specific work and the page on which the information can be found. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners (and the pages linked therein) for a handy guide to proper referencing. Deor (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – August 2022
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The poster seems to have had a lot of warnings, etc. Posting to you because you posted to them recently. Are they still a net benefit? Doug Weller talk 10:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata coords
Rabana-Merquly has coords pulled from WD that are over-precise. With local coords, I normally just fix this. In this case, I could copy the coords into the article or edit them on WD. Another solution could be to specify the precision to use (a modification to {{WikidataCoord}}) I don't know if that would be worth the effort. Thoughts? MB 06:04, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- @MB: I'm not a fan of Wikidata's handling of coords, which are sometimes erroneous, often overprecise, and lack such useful parameters as type and region. (Parameters can be added to {{WikidataCoord}}, but no one ever bothers to do so; and some infoboxes are apparently now set up to pull coords from Wikidata without {{WikidataCoord}} being explicitly invoked in an article.) These days, I usually just replace the {{WikidataCoord}} template with an appropriate {{coord}} template (or add
|coordinates=and a {{coord}} template to an infobox to override automatic use of WD coords), but sometimes I do edit coords on Wikidata if they're actually incorrect. I doubt that altering {{WikidataCoord}} to specify precision is worth the trouble. Since different locations may require different precisions, how would one go about it? Deor (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)- I meant add a parameter to the {{WikidataCoord}} so the display precision could be set for the article. Normally, the user specifies the precision explicitly when providing the coords to {{coord}}; this parameter would allow the user to equivalently specify the precision when saying "just use the WD coords". I'm not a fan of using Wikidata at all. I looked at this infobox closer and the "country" should not have been linked per WP:SEAOFBLUE, the "type" field started with lower case, the "area" field contained small font, not allowed in an infobox per MOS:SMALL, and the map captions were poor. And in WD, there were two highly precise coords specified (neither with a source), one for each of two rock reliefs in this "cluster of archaeological sites" that were a mile apart. Since {{WikidataCoord}} was pulling the first coord (qualified in WD as "applies to part"), and the infobox is for the entire archaeological site, I went ahead an picked the mid-point. I also fixed all the other infobox issues so now it conforms with en.wp infobox conventions.At first, I was looking for a way to keep using WD here since that was the "theme" of this infobox. But there were so many things wrong, it's now mixed WD and local info. MB 16:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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User:Clovermoss submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
- I am nominating Deor for EOTW because, quite surprisingly, they have not yet been EOTW. They have been steadily editing since 2006 and have a whopping 130,000+ edits with an above average 81% of them in mainspace. An all-around amazing WikiGnome; they help at the Help Desk and the Language reference desk. The articles Arthur Conan Doyle, Atlantis and C.S. Lewis are just a few examples of the articles Deor has watched over the years. I see them across my watchlist all the time doing helpful things like adding coordinates to geography-related articles. A great contributor. Seconded by User:Girth Summit
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2022
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- Following an RfC, consensus was found that if the rationale for a block depends on information that is not available to all administrators, that information should be sent to the Arbitration Committee, a checkuser or an oversighter for action (as applicable, per ArbCom's recent updated guidance) instead of the administrator making the block.
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Hi Dear Admin, Many thanks for helping me out. By the way, how to generate a format like this [1] (coord|16|53|38.2|N|97|37|52.16 vs coord|16.89395|97.63108) I'm very confused. Taung Tan (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Taung Tan: You can use either degrees, minutes, and seconds (as in your first example) or decimal coordinates (as in your second example) in articles. You can also use decimal coordinates and make them display as degrees-minutes-seconds coordinates by adding the parameter
|format=dmsin the{{coord}}template. For the various ways of using the template, see MOS:COORDS. You may also find the precision guidelines at WP:OPCOORD and the advice at WP:Obtaining geographic coordinates useful. If you have any other questions about coordinates, you can ask here or ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Deor (talk) 20:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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Dear Deor,
thank you for your many and good contributions to this article.
Yesterday, 4 November, you reverted there my input about the poem Requiem by Stevenson. It is perfectly true that in the original poem there is no definite article at the end of the second last line; it says there: "... home from sea". That can be seen e.g. on page 43 of the book Underwoods which Stevenson published in 1887. That way we could say that this is the authorized version of this poem. There can't be any arguing about that. However, in this wikipedia article and there in the section Death Stevenson's tomb is mentioned which implies that the poem thereafter is the inscription on his tombstone, and the fact simply is that for whatever reason on that tombstone, if we like it or not, there is a definite article at the end of the second last line ("... home from the sea"). Probably we'll never know why that happened – whether the engraver made a mistake or Robert Louis Stevenson had mentioned to someone that he wanted to have it that way. From that point of view, you should revert your revert. Otherwise, that part of this wikipedia article is misleading, or just wrong, because on Stevenson's tomb we have the epitaph chiselled in the wall the way it is, and everybody who goes there sees that version, not the other one. Ah yes, and the punctuation of the original isn't on the tombstone version either.
Very best wishes and keep up the good work
Stillbusy (talk) 18:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Stillbusy: Sorry that I didn't respond more promptly (your comment just slipped my mind after I read it). I think it's pretty clear that what's in the article is a quotation of the poem "Requiem" rather than a verbatim quotation of the gravestone. (Stevenson scholars always make a point of the gravestone's inscription's being a misquotation.) If you think that this needs to be made clearer, you're welcome to have a go at it. I myself don't think that the lack of punctuation on the gravestone need be mentioned, since the omission of punctuation is common in such epigraphical material. Deor (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Dear Deor,
I completely see your point. Good that you reverted my edit. It didn‘t state clearly enough what it was about. So, to make sure that this passage of the article is not misleading anymore as I explained here above I'll change the wording of that part accordingly.
Thank you and best wishes
Stillbusy (talk) 13:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Dear Deor,
You have previously edited Cardiff Arms Park. An editor has decided to split the article (yet again). I would like to know your view on the new edit....see Talk:Cardiff_Arms_Park#Article_Split_(again). SethWhales talk 20:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – December 2022
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hi, on La Cuba, Cuba the bot put the wrong coords, and you added it to the infobox. I'm asking if you could change it to the correct coords seen here, thanks! CubanoBoi (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- that was quick, thanks! CubanoBoi (talk) 22:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- @CubanoBoi: I've moved the coordinates to the center of the area outlined by Google Maps if you enter "Reparto La Cuba, Palma Soriano, Cuba" in the search box, which is a bit to the north of the label on the OpenStreetMap. Is it OK now, or does it need to be adjusted further? Deor (talk) 22:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's fine CubanoBoi (talk) 22:49, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- @CubanoBoi: I've moved the coordinates to the center of the area outlined by Google Maps if you enter "Reparto La Cuba, Palma Soriano, Cuba" in the search box, which is a bit to the north of the label on the OpenStreetMap. Is it OK now, or does it need to be adjusted further? Deor (talk) 22:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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Sixteenth anniversary on Wikipedia!
 | Happy First Edit Day! Hi Deor! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy 16th anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! Please accept the below belated invitation we ought to have given you last year. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC) |  |
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Dear Deor/Archive31,
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more.
Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 20:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
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Why?
[2] 2A02:C7C:A400:EF00:81E7:9355:A069:1C61 (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- Because it was in a
{{small}}template and thus wasn't meant to be a serious comment, because you failed to delete the }} at the end of the template, and because your edit summary indicated that you were just trying to be a shit. (By the way, I've already received a "thank" notification from one fellow admin for that reversion.) Deor (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)- And receiving a thank you from an unknown admin makes it alright, does it? What does that even mean? What it appears to be is that one side is free to make racist remarks about everyone in the UK being "sarcastic", yet the other side is not allowed to link to someone's horrendous block log for the fear of it being uncivil. Stunning. 2A02:C7C:A400:EF00:81E7:9355:A069:1C61 (talk) 07:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Restoring drafts
Hello, Deor,
When you restore a draft or sandbox that has been deleted due to CSD G13, you have to make a minor edit to the page or it immediately becomes eligible for deletion again (see User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible). This is something admins who do work regularly at WP:REFUND have learned.
One solution to this, if you plan on restoring more pages or helping out at REFUND, is to install User:SD0001/RFUD-helper which will make these minor edits to restored drafts for you. It's a very helpful tool. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 00:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Liz: Understood. I obviously don't do many undeletions. (If you're curious why I undeleted those drafts, even though I was somewhat dubious about the matter, see here. Deor (talk) 00:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 2A02:C7C:A400:EF00:E037:92D5:32B0:D1E1 (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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huh?
What the hell? You are following me and mindlessly undoing my edits? Including my adding substantial NRHP registration document reference to an article sorely needing better development? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:11, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Doncram: The information to which that reference was appended—if it could be said to have been appended to anything, since it was sitting on a line by itself—was in the wrong place (between the "See also" section and the references), and was just a copypaste from the National Register Digital Assets page that was redundant to information presented elsewhere in the article and which anyone can see by clicking on the NRHP reference number in the infobox. Except for some of the copypaste, these problems are present again in the article as I type this, after your reversion of my edit. (And I wasn't following you, the article happened to be in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags as I was patrolling it this morning, since you had included two
{{coord}}templates in the article, both displaying in the title position.) Deor (talk) 16:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- This is about Hotel Indigo Atlanta Midtown article. You're wrong about several things. I didn't "copypaste from the National Register Digital Assets page". What I added, and then was developing from, was not redundant. Temporarily the article did include two coordinate templates with display=title, but that had been fixed before or by this version, before you jumped in. I suppose it could be partially a coincidence of sorts that you came to this article, but I rather do assume you were inclined to be dismissive and unhelpful specifically because of our exchange of some words elsewhere yesterday or the day before, where I had called you out for being dismissive and unhelpful. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 17:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- The article should have been in that category only 8 minutes, from 15:24 (my first edit) to 15:34 (my 4th edit), and I was working on it. I did pause there after my fifth edit at 15:38 to go over and improve article about the architectural firm for several edits, then came back and was confused by the article having been changed by you. FWIW, I will grant that the original edit at 15:24 was in fact mostly or wholly a copy-paste, though not from where you asserted it was copy-pasted from, and that even through 15:38 the article was not in good shape... the NRHP infobox I added was duplicative to the NRHP infobox already embedded in the building infobox. From my perspective, that was temporarily fine, because I was in the process of editing and I was correctly figuring that the copy-pasted-in material would include substantial additional content, and I was going to incorporate that and remove the duplication. You did not know that, I suppose. (I have since removed all duplication, I think, except I am not sure about having two maps display, i.e. having a map display in the embedded NRHP infobox as well as a different map display in the building infobox ... on this point I would welcome your comment at Talk there... the NRHP map display allows reader to toggle between map levels, while the building map display allows zooming in or out, and I just haven't chosen what to do yet, i.e. which to leave in, probably just one should be left in.)
- A weird fact which you could not be aware of is that the NRHP reference draft that I copy-pasted in, is one that I figured (correctly) would work as a link once copied into Wikipedia, but which was not accessible when I clicked on it elsewhere (the National Park Service page would fail to display)... so my frequent strategy is to put such in just as a stray reference ... as you correctly commented it was all alone and looked out of place ... and then I access the source and develop the article using it... which I hadn't yet done, was getting around to doing when I came back from the architect article.
- Let me say this better than before: I wish, if you encounter questionable status of an article I have created, that you comment please at Talk page of the article and hopefully ping me. (Especially so if history shows I am in process of making multiple edits, which one could have seen in this case, but even also if there has been a gap in time since i last edited.) I am in fact welcoming of your and others' feedback and comments and don't mean to come across as unwelcoming. Here there could in fact be legitimate question about what was going on, but if you had posted a comment I would have been happy to explain. I did experience your revert as unhelpful/unfriendly, and do suspect you may have been inclined to be dismissive of me... perhaps as if I were effectively a vandal or a stupid person... but I think you should not be so quick that way. Please, instead, discuss.
- By the way, there were other problems in the article, one being that I knew I left the article stating the building was Beaux-Arts in one place (in the article from before me) while stating it was Georgian Revival in another place (which I added)... On that and other problems I have further commented on at Talk myself, and I think I have resolved okay. Although I am not certain that my complete deletion of Emporis source was correct to do (rather than leave in some reference with no link, because the Emporis source was probably valid once as a publication, but one that is not available online now AFAICT). I would welcome your input about those matters too.
- I hope you can understand where I was with this better now, and I will say that I do actually appreciate your attention to detail. And I hope that in the future you and I could cooperate better to simply improve the Wikipedia. Sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 01:39, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Coordinates
Hello. Any specific reasons you change the coordinates to dms? I've created hundreds of articles in recent weeks using lat/lon as its way easier to find. Semsûrî (talk) 15:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Semsûrî: Well, WP:OPCOORD says, "Cities must be specified with a precision of degrees, minutes and seconds to respect historical norms." I guess that could be interpreted in different ways, but the main reason I wanted to edit the
{{coord}}template in Erişti, Midyat was that the template{{Infobox Turkey place}}that you used apparently has a default type parameter of "adm1st", which is for top-level administrative divisions (provinces, or il, in the case of Turkey) and is inappropriate for villages, which need "type=city". Deor (talk) 16:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)