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People infoboxes

Hi. For retired military people you may want to use the infobox military person template - that is the norm for retired admirals etc. Forgive me if you know this already Gbawden (talk) 10:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I am aware of {{Infobox military person}}, and have used it in the past. Currently, I often choose not to use the more specific infobox, when I don't know any information to fill into the fields specific for that infobox.

  Why? Expediency and portability.

  The wikipedia is not the only wiki I contribute to, and using special purpose templates makes my contributions less portable Some other wikis support {{infobox person}}, but not any of the more specific infoboxen which should be supersets of it.

  One unfortunate phenomenon is that some infoboxen work differently than other infoboxen. I find this a highly annoying cognitive burden. The field for the name of the topic of the article should probably be "name" in all infoboxen. If it is not "name" in all infoboxen it should nevertheless be the same in all infoboxen. Some infoboxen expect the names of images to be bare, not preceded by a "File:" or "Image:". Other infoboxen expect the prefix. Yet other infoboxen expect a full wikilink to the image. All infoboxen should all use the same syntax for referring to all images.

  Feel free to change any {{infobox person}} I have used to a more specific infobox, provided you test it afterwards to make sure it still works here.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 11:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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• I disputed this nomination. Geo Swan (talk) 16:42, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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TTC loops

Firstly let me thank you for the develoment of articles about historic streetcar loops. The TTC capitalizes "Loop" in their naming (see TTC Map of 501 Queen for example) and most references about loops also do that. I have created the new Category:Toronto streetcar loops. You raised the subject before, so do you think there any additional loops currently in use that might merit an article? Humber and Long Branch perhaps? Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree both Humber and Long Branch merit articles. I am cross with myself as I remember drafting an article about the pre-TTC streetcar line from Roncesvalles to Port Credit, with lots of references, and now I can't find it.

I used lower case 'l' loop to be consistent with lower case 's' for station at Mount Dennis LRT station, but have no objection to upper case. Geo Swan (talk) 13:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

This is the difference between a proper noun/name and a generic descriptive term. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

• FYI. Just uploaded File:Birchmount Loop s0071 it6590.jpg and File:Birchmount Loop s0071 it6444.jpg for Birchmount Loop.Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks.

Your TPL-fu and COTA-fu continues to exceed mine. Geo Swan (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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•  Done Geo Swan (talk) 10:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Undeletion Request

• Patrick M. McCarthy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello Geo Swan. I was looking over your request for undeletion at WP:REFUND and I'm unclear exactly what you want. Do you want the deleted revisions themselves restored or just a copy of the deleted revisions listing?

I took a look at the current and deleted history and can't see any suppressed (i.e. oversighted) revisions, but I'm not sure I whether I should be able to or not. You'd probably need to talk to someone with oversight permissions about that; I think the way oversight works may have changed in the intervening years but I am uncertain.

I don't understand what this all has to do with the paid editing debate but I haven't really followed that particular kerfuffle.

Bearing in mind I can't do anything with regard to suppressed revisions, whatever you want done with the revisions I deleted back in 2008, I would be willing to do. The approach to BLP has matured in the five years since I deleted that article and today deletion would not be my first choice. Given that the article has since been rewritten I see no reason today that the old revisions need to remain deleted.

However, I am no longer able to be so active on Wikipedia as I once was; I am often unavailable for significant periods of time. If I am unavailable when you decide what is needed, feel free to ask any other admin to act with my blessing.

CIreland (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

It's OK, I responded to the WP:REFUND request and restored the deleted contribution history because the sanctions have expired on that article. Previously the history went back only to 19 September 2008, now it goes back earlier. Fortunately there was no overlap between the deleted and non-deleted contributions.

If I acted out of hand, CIreland, by all means delete the history again from 14 January 2008 and earlier, but you might want to wait until Geo Swan has extracted anything needed. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks.

Should someone re-obfuscate the earlier revisions, after I am finished with them -- I don't see any need for that, and would in fact find it very unusual. A large fraction of our articles will temporarily have passages that lapse from NPOV, NOR, or even COPYVIO. We edit those articles, leaving a version that doesn't lapse from policy. Unless I am mistaken, isn't suppressing versions reserved for genuine emergencies, like versions that contained genuine slander, or personal details, like private phone numbers?

Um, you restored the earlier revisions to the article itself, but you didn't restore the earlier versions of its talk page, including this version. Can I ask you to restore the deleted versions of the talk page too? Geo Swan (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the talk page. Geo Swan (talk) 06:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome - it hadn't occurred to me that you might need the talk page too. ~Amatulić (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

• CIreland, I am just about to archive February. I shouldn't use this as an opportunity to get the last word, so I will be brief. I checked your talk page, and I saw you did eventually leave an explanation, and an apology of sorts -- but you left it without telling me about it, and I spent the subsequent years regarding you as an administrator who couldn't be bothered explaining yourself. Geo Swan (talk) 05:06, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Redundant -- I'd already placed a {{db-u5}} tag on the image when User:SecondaryWaltz found a free alternate image. Geo Swan (talk) 04:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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