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Happy Birthday!

Hey, Grk1011. Just stopping by to wish you a Happy Birthday from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! LovelyEdit talkedits 19:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Grk1011 (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Talbot Avenue

You moved the page saying "as signed". Is station signage up finally? That would seem to bode well for opening.

There are a lot of stations that are signed differently from the official name which appears on MBTA maps - see the West End signage suffix on Science Park or the Peabody Square on Ashmont that do not appear on official maps or MBTA documents. Some even have multiple conflicting signs: Dedham Corporate Center (the official name) is variously signed as DEDHAM CORP / 128 and DEDHAM CORP. CTR/128, appears in timetables as "Dedham Corp. Center" and "Dedham Corp. Ctr.", and gets varying map annotations including (on the 2002 map that's still up all over the Fitchburg and Worcester Lines) "Dedham Ctr." So it gets weird fast.

Long story short, I'm keeping a watchful eye for station opening announcements. Given that Fairmount Line timetables and such use the full name of Morton Street, I suspect the official name will be "Talbot Avenue". If so, I'll move the page back but keep the infobox header to match signage.

Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Someone posted a picture of the new signs that went up recently (yesterday I think?) on railroad.net. The page name can be whatever I suppose, but I believe when we changed the infobox title styles, our goal was to have them say whatever is signed at the station since that's what they're supposed to look like. Grk1011 (talk) 16:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep, absolutely. Unless I catch sight of a "TALBOT AVENUE" sign, the infobox will stay as "TALBOT AVE". I just saw that picture myself. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The new schedule was just released. The station is listed as "Talbot Ave". Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2013

• Hi Grk1011, I noticed that the project newsletter will be embarking on its 5th anniversary next month, and looking at the archives you published the first ever edition back in 2008. As you were the editor of the newsletter back then, I was wondering if you would like to write a piece reminiscing on how the newsletter was created and what it was like as the editor back then. A bit like a "trip down memory lane" piece for project members old and new. If you are interested, then feel free to drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision/Newsletters/August 2013. I sincerely look forward to discussing your ideas. Wesley ☮ Mouse 04:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Ah I'm sorry I forgot to reply to this! I've been so busy lately. Grk1011 (talk) 00:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit to Wellington (MBTA station)

Hi, I don't understand this edit and accompanying summary. You removed the door-opening sides of the trains with the summary "this is misleading. the platforms have no doors. southbound train doors open on left, northbound on both sides". The platform layout before your edit shows the train doors' opening sides: trains serving the western island platform on top open their doors on the left, while trains serving the other platform open their doors on the right. Ironically, your edit summary describes the door-opening sides of the trains that you removed from the previous edit (the platforms don't have left or right sides, and since the platforms don't have doors, only the train doors can open). Epicgenius (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

In my first edit, I removed the comment that only one island platform is used from the infobox. That is incorrect as both island platforms are used. Then to be consistent, I then updated the station layout section. If you want to have information about which side the doors open, it should be on the same line as the "train" not the "platform" since the platforms don't have doors. And again, it was wrong to begin with because doors open on both sides for northbound trains. Grk1011 (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay. So will it be all right if I add "...doors will open on the left [or right] for trains"? Epicgenius (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

By the way, the lines for the trains say the train service, its destination, and its next stop, if applicable. Therefore, I have the door-opening sides to the platforms for the many layouts that I added, as it would be too confusing if I put them in the lines for the trains. Such a table would look like this:

Ground	Lobby	Fare barriers, exit/entrance, park and ride facility
L2 Platforms	Southbound	← Orange Line toward Forest Hills (Sullivan Square, doors will open on the left) (No service: Assembly Square)
	Island platform
	Center track (Northbound)	→ Orange Line toward Oak Grove (Malden Center, doors will open on the left or right) →
	Island platform
	Northbound	→ No regular service

This makes the tables unnecessarily wide. The lines in the table allocated for the trains would be more text-heavy, while the lines in the table allocated for the platforms would be bare. Epicgenius (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I sort of understand what you're trying to do. If it was just one center island platform then "doors open on the left" could make sense since it's true for both trains in their respective directions, but it's still odd to me to have it written on the platform. How would you know which train it's referring to? With Wellington where the northbound train opens doors on both sides, I don't see how it can work. Grk1011 (talk) 14:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm thinking that a note could be added at the bottom, saying "Trains heading toward Malden Center will open their doors on both sides at this station." Epicgenius (talk) 15:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it necessary to even mention which side the doors open on? Omitting it could simplify the diagram. Grk1011 (talk) 19:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. On the one hand, it could make the diagram to easier to read, but omission of the door-opening sides would also make people confused as to which platforms are not open for service and which ones aren't. I'll have to think about that for a little while. Epicgenius (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Well with the MBTA, there are only three closed platforms (Oak Grove CR, one of the Community College islands, and the Brattle Loop at Gov Ctr). For every other station, the doors open to whatever platform(s) abut the track. Grk1011 (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

These diagrams were originally intended for other systems like Taipei Metro, Singapore MRT, Hong Kong MTR, New York City Subway, etc. which didn't have this problem, except for the latter, where closed platforms say "Not in service". So, yes, in that case the door-opening sides aren't really needed in the Wellington (MBTA station) article, but they are there for the convenience of the reader (there are some that can't deduce that "the doors open to whatever platform(s) abut the track"). Epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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On this day, 10 years ago...

Hey, Grk1011. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Lepricavark (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!!!! Grk1011 (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Mary Livermore

Hi. I won't edit war with you regarding Mary Livermore's name.[1] But note that she *is* referred to as Mary Ashton Rice Livermore in a lot of historical and present-day sources.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] [12]-[13]-Rosiestep (talk) 19:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I took a look and I don't think it's clear cut either way. It depends on the type of source. The historical sources seem to list the longer version of her name, but I believe that is just out of convention, not because that was what she went by. For everyday life, I've found "Mary A. Livermore" much more prevalent considering that's what they used when they named buildings, schools, ships, etc after her. Grk1011 (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Apology

Hello. I am writing this to sincerely apologise for my completely unacceptable comments under my former user-name "Golden Sugarplum" on your talk-page in January 2010. Not that this is an excuse, but I was 18 back then. I have been wanting to write this a long time now. I am looking forward to hearing from you regarding this apology. Thank you for your time. Anima Sola (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Apology accepted! Grk1011 (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest

Hi there! I just wanted to inform you about the fact that one IP is again undoing my edits, claiming similar reasons as the user before. I have added back the 2015, citeable history, but it was again changed by the IP. Could you please help me? Thank you very much! Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm just concerned that since you have the article up for GA review and have been waiting months for the review to start, that it could be an auto-fail for "unstable". I hope the person decides to discuss rather than revert. Grk1011 (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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See also section

Your understanding of WP:TRIVIA is incorrect, as I was not adding multiple facts in a list. I was clearly adding a WP:See also section, which is allowed, to link another Wikipedia article related to the subject. The policy states, "The links in the 'See also' section might be only indirectly related to the topic of the article because one purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics." Even if it was trivia, the correct action would have been to add the information to the article's body, not just delete it. Per WP:TRIVIA, "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined." I won't revert your edit because I don't want to cause an edit war. —Brian Halvorsen (talk) 21:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

A "see also" section features links to other relevant articles. Sort of like a "further reading" section. You added a sentence saying that they sponsored an event. Shaw's and Star have sponsored countless events over the years and this fact might be perfect for a philanthropy section, but instead, it was haphazardly added to the end of the article. I might have been hasty in removing the fact, but as the editor most familiar with the subject, you should have incorporated it into the article itself from the get go. Grk1011 (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

My point stands that you deleted the info for no reason. It wouldn't be philanthropy since it wasn't an act of goodwill. It was a sponsored event in which they were advertised heavily. It was relevant to the topic since they had their name on it for four seasons and even sponsored the league MVP award. Per WP:See also, "Editors should provide a brief annotation when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent [...] The links in the "See also" section might be only indirectly related to the topic of the article because one purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics." It wasn't haphazard, it was completely according to policy. —Brian Halvorsen (talk) 23:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

You didn't link anything. You added a seemingly random unsourced sentence to the bottom of the article. See here. Grk1011 (talk) 00:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

It was clearly an oversight. I was linking the article on other pages including the Boston Celtics#See also. Instead of being helpful and linking the article, you deleted it wholesale. —Brian Halvorsen (talk) 00:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Malou

If possible, could you help me moving the Malou Prytz (singer) article to Malou Prytz. Much appreciated. BabbaQ (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

An administrator would normally need to merge them to preserve the edit history. Given that you just made the article yesterday, it might make sense to just copy/paste the article to the old name and redirect the (singer) article there. Grk1011 (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Even though I do not care personally all material at talk page should be archived. Not simply removed. Just for future reference. --BabbaQ (talk) 11:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thanks! Grk1011 (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Eurovision Song Contest 2019

Hi, I’ve added several extra sources about the ticket prices concerning the Eurovision Song Contest 2019. Also, I’ve found sources that are talking about a temporary stop on ticket sales because of irregularities. Could/would you perhaps back me up in this topic? You can find the discussion here: Talk:Eurovision_Song_Contest_2019#Ticket_prices. Whatever you decide, it is much appreciated. Kind regards,「Robster1983」^{☞ Life's short, talk fast ☜} 15:13, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

I was already involved in that discussion, so I've added some additional thoughts. Grk1011 (talk) 17:08, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems that everything is OK now. Many thanks for your input. 🙂 「Robster1983」^{☞ Life's short, talk fast ☜} 19:36, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

South African born American Singers

I will forgive your American pride, but per your edit summary, I suppose it is impossible for an American singer to be born in South Africa, isn't it?

Also It is sourced, but due to the stupid captcha system at wikipedia not being usable for my screen-reader, I can't in-line cite it. so next time you want to show your new yawk pride, please double check your likelyhood scale again, because one can always point to an example where you are wrong. So again, per your K.S. edit summary about American singers not being born in South Africa, my fello-born African would beg to differ. and I say this as myself an Eritrean-born Londoner who lives in Canada.

199.101.62.225 (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately you must in-line cite it or it can't be included since it is a biographical article. I didn't say it was impossible, but it seems like a rather bold claim to make without any proof to back it up. I didn't replace it with anything saying she was born elsewhere, just that she grew up in NYC, which was already in the article. Please know that like Wikipedia, Discogs is also maintained by editors like you and I, so it does not qualify as a reliable source. Grk1011 (talk) 14:43, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

How the heck am i supposed to in-line cite when due to accessability i can't complete the captcha? I'm not creating an account because I am having privacy issues with my e-mail address at the moment and they aren't fixed yet. also to create account I hav eto complete a captcha as well. You guys have no right to expect blind people to do the in-line citation with the present captcha system in effect, nor do you have a right to expect us to create accounts just so you can add us to another stat and say "we have x amount of blind users." You guys ar eeffectively saying that our edits will always be reverted unless we do in-line citations, and because of the captchas being exclusively visual, we can't. way to go America, your Wikipedia site is for sure not violating the ADA (even though I am an Eritrean-born londone rliving in Canada, but you're a U.S. company/organization/I hav eon clue). It just looks like American pride to me when you say unsourced aditions on a singer who identifies as American. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Look nothing against American pride, but let's not have it cloud judgements ok? Be proud for being American, I am proud to be British, but tha tdoesn't mean I am going to make edits that I can't prove. I just have to use the edit summary because of your guys's stupid visual captcha system. Look, let's keep out spammers and bots, but let' snot shut out the blind and say that thye must in-line cite and create accoutns. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

May I be on record for also stating that I am not against sources. on Shelly Poole I removed all references to the name "Michelle Lena" because I can't find anything that says her real name is Michelle Lena Poole, and that Shelly is a nicname. If somebody can show me a source then ok, I'll view it and say, "this is where you got it from."

I do the same thing where I put a source in the edit summary, hence why you saw where I got my ource for Kim Sozzi from. When people revert my edits, I explain why I am unable to in-line cite but I always provide that I have a source I put in the summary. Should one choose to copy the link for me, lend me a bit of a hand in that way and in-line cite it themselves, where they can do the visual captcha, then that is cool. but don't just revert and demand me to in-line it. thanks. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 03:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what pride has to do with any of this. If you want to add the information in, please provide a reliable source to back it up. I can in-line cite it for you if you post the source here. As I said before, the source you used before is not acceptable. A few months ago I tried to research it myself, but everything I found used Wikipedia itself as the source, an instance of circular reporting. Grk1011 (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The only other birth place I found, Melville New York, does not exist. When I had my girlfriend look for it, we couldn't find it.

The melvilles I could find are Melville, Saskatchewan, Canada and Melville, South Africa.

Eons ago there may have been a melville NY but according to my girlfriend it doesn't exist any more because she can' tfind it on google or on apple. we don't even have coordinates to go by.

Also I can't post the link here either because I need to fill in that captcha which is all visual. I have to put it in the summary until they give an audio option for the captchas, and my e-mail is still having issues so I won't even attempt account creation via the request form until all that is sorted out. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 01:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Dude, did you even try to find Melville, NY? The first result I found on Google was our own article: Melville, New York. Which includes the coordinates for it.--Khajidha (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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Why are you so openly going against the instructions in the template? The instructions specifically say not to include countries that have never participated in the group of countries that are inactive. Not only are you specifically going against the instructions, you are not even removing the instructions. Banana Republic (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Because I don't believe it goes against the instructions. "Participated" doesn't mean performed at the contest. Lebanon was a named participant, selected its song, was shown on the official CD for the event, etc. It was a late withdrawal. If you want to add a new section, you should bring it to the talk page, as members of the WikiProject that maintain this template will have an issue with introducing what I've referred to as a can of worms. There already is a fair amount of edit warring each year on how to show previous countries on each year's page, I'd rather not bring that to what has historically been a very stable template. Grk1011 (talk) 03:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

It actually happens quite often that countries go through the process of selecting a song with the intention of participating, but then do not participate. Off the top of my head I can think of

• Israel in 1984
• Yugoslavia in 1985
• Ukraine in 2018 2019

Lebanon is unique that it only happened once, and they never participated before nor since.

We can certainly take this discussion to the template talk page if you think it's the more appropriate place to discuss it. Banana Republic (talk) 03:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Which is why I believe it belongs in the list of inactive countries. I would recommend the WikiProject Eurovision page as it has more eyes watching. Grk1011 (talk) 21:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not following how the fact that it is not rare for countries to pull out after selecting a song for the Eurovision Song Contest supports inclusion of Lebanon as an inactive country. Inactive suggests that the country used to participate. Lebanon never participated.

I'll let you take the lead in transferring this discussion to the appropriate venue. Banana Republic (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Their participation in 2005 is pretty well documented in the article. If you'd like to make the change you are more than welcome to propose it on the talk page. I will revert your changes to the original until you've established a consensus to change. Grk1011 (talk) 04:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Now you really did something bizarre. Instead of putting Lebanon in the inactive group, you put back the article Lebanon in the Eurovision Song Contest as if it is an article about Israel–Lebanon relations in the Eurovision Song. That's not what the article is. Banana Republic (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't like that location either, but it would be rather presumptuous to assume that my version is superior, so it makes sense to revert to the last stable version pending the results of the discussion. Grk1011 (talk) 12:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Putting Lebanon in the inactive group is superior to deceiving the reader that the article is about Israel–Lebanon relations in the Eurovision Song Contest. Banana Republic (talk) 12:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020

Yes, I did look, and here we are again, yet another section of Wikipedia falling victim to organized fandom. Your sources are this, not independent since they're the TV station to air it, this, a website for and by fans, and this, not independent since SVT is also a TV station organizing a festival. In other words, of your three sources, two are the opposite of independent, and one is an unreliable source. So there you are. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Drmies: I asked for you to bring this to the WikiProject page so it could be a broader discussion. It's not very clear what guidelines the WikiProject is going against, but things like describing it as "trivial" are your personal thoughts. The text is sourced by the entity that is organizing the contest (national broadcaster of Austria) and the placings and such are sourced by a secondary source that detailed the outcome. The secondary source Wiwibloggs, which you claim is unreliable, was actually found to be reliable. If you think better or other sources should be added, that could be arranged, but this isn't a BLP and your reverts do not assume good faith. Grk1011 (talk) 02:20, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

See, if I call it trivial that's my personal thought--and if you call it non-trivial, that's also your personal thought: two of your sources are essentially TV guides, not independent. That something is sourced doesn't mean it's relevant--if you don't know that then you wasted much of your time here. As for "found to be reliable"--meh, your editor Merynancy says "it's reliable, case closed", and "case closed" usually means "I got nothing better to offer" (since they do not offer a single argument), and the other editor goes for "it's reliable because its author is a notable expert", the weakest of all cases. So no, I'm not going to bring this to your project page, since that will be a complete waste of time: it is populated by fans of the Contest whose opinion en masse will always carry the day. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

And it seems the GA below would not have passed had it not been for that Wiwibloggs claim. How many references from actual secondary sources, with an editorial board and all that, are in that article? (And references 10-19 are barely related to that article.) Drmies (talk) 04:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Drmies: I know that it's my opinion that's the point. A lot of your reasoning is based on your personal interpretation of things and I disagree with it. The point of bringing it to the project talk page was to start a discussion about it because there are more sides than yours and mine. It shouldn't matter how many !votes I get because this is about consensus and the merits of each side. If you think that's the wrong venue, then please start a discussion where you think it is the most appropriate and we can figure this out. Grk1011 (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Eurovision 2021

Hi, I know that it's horrible, but please don't change anything — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michele1999 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Please DON'T CHANGE THE PAGE --Michele1999 (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• With a only section called Background, there are chaos in the page. With more than one section (like the previous Eurovision edition's pages), the page would be clearer and cleaner. THIS IS My REASON ok

--Michele1999 (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• • I can also look at previous years to see how it's supposed to be. all pages are similar to how I structured it

Until yesterday this arrangement was fine, now suddenly it is no longer fine --Michele1999 (talk) 17:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• • • Now the part of the Location section is changed. For you it's ok?

--Michele1999 (talk) 18:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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Jugovizija

Hi,

You wrote that the name of the festival was just Jugovizija, which isn´t entirely true. The full name of the contest was: Jugoslovenski izbor za pjesmu Eurovizije. The name Jugovizija was just another name of it. I just added the translation in English. Help me to understand.

Regards, Taurussweden

@Taurussweden: Ohhh sorry! However, I don't think it's helpful to have such a long section heading, especially when that is not explained below in the body paragraphs. Additionally the links to the event are redirects that just bring you to the Yugoslavia in Eurovision page without any idea of where to find the information. Would you be able to edit it so that it makes more sense to readers (like me) who might not be aware of it? Grk1011 (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Yugoslavia in the Eurovision Song Contest 1962, where are these sources?

Hello,

You were asking for the sources. If you look at the bottom of the page I´ve created, you will find three external links. The first one is the one I use as my prime source of information, the other two, have often similar information and are secondary and often not complete. Those two that I´ve mentioned, are "other sources".

Regards, Taurussweden— Preceding unsigned comment added by Taurussweden (talk • contribs) 21:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@Taurussweden:. Ah, I see. What makes those external links reliable? You might want to check out Wikipedia:Citing sources. It will show you how to add sources to articles in the proper format. Grk1011 (talk) 03:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Grk1011:These external links are the closest we can get to correct information regarding the Yugoslav selecion in earlier years. All three sites (links) mentioned were created by different people from different countries on the same topic. The information on those sites are more or less the same, one with more specific information, and the other two with less. Bits and pieces of the information can also be found on several other sites, including on wikipedia pages in other languages and official ESC fan pages, "confirming" the information on the sites mentioned above.

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Superg!rl performance slot

I personally think it was wrong to remove my cited mention of the fact that the Eurovision Song Celebration youtube stream revealed that the song would have OPENED the show (On an insta post from Wiwibloggs after the stream, Stefania voiced her pride at that decision, but I would personally not publish this, as there is already an adequate citation), which is completely different from the fact that it had been drawn in the first half of heat 2 back in January, which you are probably referring to when you say it was already mentioned in the article. Yours sincerelyElaych22 (talk) 21:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Elaych22: I've gone ahead and properly incorporated this tidbit into the prose. Adding information is fine, but please do not just haphazardly add standalone paragraphs into articles (you did this on quite a few articles). This tends to lead to articles that end up confusingly chronological when they should instead be organized based on idea or concept. Grk1011 (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Grk1011: Thank you very much for this. I would also like to ensure that the image i uploaded onto the article for Chains on You, which is of the Music video version (without stating my personal opinions on it, i think that it was very important to add that second cover, as well as to expand what had previously been a very threadbare article which failed to inform people of the song) is done in the proper way (and i would also like more images to be included on that article, from the video, and of Athena herself and on hers). I would also like images and key info to be added to the article of All of My Love, amongst others, another song which elicited a popular reception.Elaych22 (talk) 06:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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Eurovision: Come Together

Hey, thanks so much for stepping in and making those changes needed to bring Eurovision: Come Together up to GA! I've been offline a few weeks with personal stuff so I hadn't noticed until today that it had already gone up for review, but I really appreciate your help with this in my absence. I'm back to being online a lot more frequently now so hoping it'll be the only time you have to step in to cover for me! haha :) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sims2aholic8: It was my pleasure! There were very few changes that had to be made, so it was not a problem at all. I think we should look to get Eurovision Song Contest on the GA nomination list. I didn't want to nominate it myself since it was your endeavor. The GA list can be quite long, but they're in the middle of a backlog drive, so there may be more reviewers looking for articles this month. Grk1011 (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hello! You recently edited the Eurovision Song Contest 2021 article where you changed the date formats in the citations, stating that "These haven't been allowed for many years now". The thing that I think you are referring to, is Wikipedia:Date formattings. However, the {{Cite web}} template already automatically converts YYYY-MM-DD dates to the proper format, because the {{Use dmy dates}} template is at the top of the article. So if you look in the references section, all dates look fine (even before you edit). ―JochemvanHees (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@JochemvanHees: I was under the impression that it was sort of a patch so that they appear correctly while also alerting the bot of which style to convert them to when it comes around. It was set up to fix previous date formats, not necessarily to allow the practice of YYYY-MM-DD to continue, since as far as I can tell, none of the participating countries use that date style. I remember there was a big change a number of years ago because all dates used to have to be wikilinked for that to occur! Grk1011 (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012

The article Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012

The article Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest

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Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest

The article San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest

The article San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 21:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Since you've expanded a lot of San Marino's Eurovision articles to GA status, I am interested to know if you are considering a good topic for them? --K. Peake 07:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I have definitely considered it! There are 5 articles left and one that needs to wait until this year's contest is over. I'm sort of at a fork in my thought process where I can continue writing about San Marino's entries (which I actually don't care for) or I can move to picking and choosing country and years for songs that I did like (Greece 2012 for example). I feel like I'm already pretty deep into San Marino right now and should just finish it, however, so I'm torn. The remainder of their participation articles are actually already pretty substantial. Time will tell! Grk1011 (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Interesting to know that you have already grasped the thoughts that sprang to my mind; it must be remarkable knowing you have a good topic incoming, I know the feeling! Things can get a bit awkward when you are more interested in writing for certain articles than others as I know from experience, but you can take it in turns of sorts for nomination types plus there will be time for you to submit more nominees after the GT is complete. --K. Peake 16:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016

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Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016

The article San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you going to go over this tonight, after having previously left one comment two days ago? --K. Peake 17:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I got caught up with some life stuff and wasn't able to sit down and focus on the article the last day or so. I will definitely do it today! Grk1011 (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016

The article San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Rules of the Eurovision Song Contest

Hey! Thanks very much for the prod before to take a look at the main Eurovision Song Contest article, I hadn't realised the work needed to get it into proper shape again before GA review. One of the things I had noticed during my review was the Rules section, which I came to find to be exceedingly detailed for the main article. I've since moved a lot of material over to the dedicated Rules of the Eurovision Song Contest article and I'm planning on giving this a proper review later to see if I can improve it up to GA status potentially as well! I'm still reviewing other sections of the ESC article, and I plan to take a second stab through as well, but it would be a great help, if you have the time, if you could take a read through the "Rules" section as it currently stands and provide a second opinion on its current length and breadth on whether it's still too detailed. It's a broad enough topic obviously, but given the length of the article anywhere that I can potentially slim it down or syphon off into other secondary articles can only be a good thing. Thanks again for all your help! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 22:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sims2aholic8: That's awesome! I will definitely help out where/when I can! Grk1011 (talk) 16:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)