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Charlene McMann

Hello. I'm Aloha27 and I AGF reverted your edit as it just simply put, did not read well. If you'd like to expand your version to read something like "fraudster" I believe that would be the better option. Have a good day.   Aloha27  talk  19:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright then, thanks for letting me know. BenzoAid (talk) 06:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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	Thank you so much for the consults and for fixing the pages. I sincerely appreciate the work you do. Ilikecarrotrich (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar! I greatly appreciate it. // BenzoAid(Send me a message!) 08:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Help

What does re-listing an AfDD do, and how can I re-list one? Thanks! // 💪Benzo💪 (Send me a message!) 08:05, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

You're asking about WP:Articles for deletion, correct?

Relisting is an action taken by an editor when the normal time for a discussion has elapsed (usually 7 days) and the editor feels more discussion is needed to try to obtain a consensus.

If you want to perform this action yourself, and you are not the nominator, you can find out more about how to do it at WP:Deletion process#Relisting discussions. There are quite a few editors who handle relisting routinely, so there should be no need for you to do it unless you wish to join their number. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. // 💪Benzo💪 (Send me a message!) 08:38, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Automatic purge

Hello, Is there a way to automatically purge my page every minute? I have a userbox that relies on purging to update (a clock). That is why I was wondering if there is a way to automatically purge a page every so often. Thanks! // 💪Benzo💪 (Send me a message!) (Here's what I've contributed.) 14:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

No. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 14:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, that's a shame. Thank you for responding, though. // 💪Benzo💪 (Send me a message!) (Here's what I've contributed.) 14:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Shannon Town

Please stop undoing my edits. The company list is outdated. EI Electronics is based in Shannon for more than 40 years, is indigenously owned and employs more than 1000 people. Zimmer Biomet has had a facility in the town since 2008 and employs more than 500 people. Both are highly valued contributors to the towns community. Unfortunately Molex and Avocent are now gone but thankfully new companies are moving to the town. I quick Google will confirm all of this. MuddleBug (talk) 23:22, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The source should be updated before you add or remove any information. I'll try to update it, but thanks for letting me know. // 💪Benzo💪 (Talk!) 07:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

How to add a copyright tag?

Hello, I uploaded an image of the Eirjet logo, but it was put on speedy deletion because it lacked a copyright tag. How do I add one? // 💪Benzo💪 (Talk!) 09:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you sorted this out shortly after posting here. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Eugeniusz Olszyna

I appreciate your taking on the thankless task of closing a difficult AFD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugeniusz Olszyna (2nd nomination). However I have some concern your close may come off as a WP:SUPERVOTE. Language in your close: it seems like there are enough sources for the subject to pass GNG and SIGCOV, makes it seem more like an intention to vote “keep” than to close it that way. I believe the decision is correct and am not requesting you reconsider your close, though you may wish to familiarize yourself more with the closing process before performing NACs on other somewhat contentious AFD debates or leave them to an admin with more experience (though this is NOT a requirement - any uninvolved user in good standing can close any AFD). Also a word of warning that one of the “delete” voters in this AFD has a tendency of harassing closers who do not agree with them. Frank Anchor 15:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for telling me. Thank you for the warning as well; I'll keep this all in mind. I see that my close seems like a WP:SUPERVOTE because of the nature of the message. I'll just close AfD's more carefully next time, and I will leave some more difficult discussions to other, more experienced people. Thanks again! Oh, and maybe this is a bit... should I say... bad to ask, but what's the username of the voter you mentioned? It's fine if you can't tell me, just curious. // 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 15:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

About AfD

My article Government First Grade College, Carstreet nominated for Article for deletion. You relisted that article 1 week ago. What was the result about that article please reply me. Ardo27 (talk) 09:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was unaware that the maximum relists per Wikipedia policy is 2. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Review request

Can you review Sri Mahalingeshwara Temple, Kavoor article. Which is already in Article space but it not found when search. Ardo27 (talk) 15:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I tried searching the article and it's fine. The search result shows up for me. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 15:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Help (no longer) needed!

Hello. I am currently trying to find a way to make a small link taking someone to another language of Wikipedia. So something like this:

Ivan Franatica Sorkočević [hr]

I am aware that it shouldn't be done like this, but I saw something very similar to this somewhere else. I don't know the name of this template, so if you could tell me the name, that would be very helpful. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 16:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems you are looking for Template:Interlanguage link#Link to one foreign language. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 07:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

AfD closure

What criteria did you use to determine that there was no consensus in this discussion? I see a clear majority. Thoughts? @Theroadislong, DoubleGrazing, and Oaktree b: 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 02:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @DreamRimmer. Without wishing to re-litigate this, I do think the no consensus close was wrong, with three 'delete' !votes (plus the nom), and with neither of the two 'keeps' (as Barkeep points out) actually based on policy. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

And the creator was a sockpuppet account! Theroadislong (talk) 06:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing, @DreamRimmer and @Theroadislong, thank you for letting me know about this. I admit that it was a large mistake on my part. @Theroadislong, thanks for letting me know about the creator being a sockpuppeteer. I was not aware of this, so thank you for letting me know. I sincerely apologize for this mistake, I will pay more attention to further discussions in the future. For now, I will nominate it again, as this was a major mistake on my part. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you should reopen the discussion (and leave it for an admin to close), rather than relist it.

Also for future reference, you may want to gather some more experience before closing AfDs, esp. in borderline or contentious cases. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, please highlight the outcome text of this AfD discussion so that the AfD stats tool can identify it.

Example: The result was speedy delete, due to the creator evading a block/ban. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 02:06, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC) 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Government First Grade College, Carstreet

Hello, Jalapeño,

You closed a deletion discussion on this article and reverted your closure but you never checked to make sure that the article was still tagged with an AFD tag. It isn't. I think right now you lack the experience and maturity to close deletion discussions and relist discussions as this was not an appropriate AFD for a NAC to close.

Please spend more time presenting your arguments forward on whether an article should be Kept or Deleted (through your analysis of sources and knowledge of policy) and leave the administrative tasks to editors who have had years of experience participating in AFDs or admins. I'd like to see some evidence that you know how to evaluate an article's notability before you take on assessing deletion discussions. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:14, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	This is just a small token of appreciation for your contributions... Keep it going! Volten001 ☎ 05:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey, thank you so much! This is only the 2nd one I've gotten, but it's nice being helpful around here! 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 11:20, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and what contributions exactly? I've done… let's just say quite a bit… on here! 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 18:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Don't be an unwitting sock proxy!

Did you recieve an email from Macroduck? If so, do not make any edits on behalf of them! They are likely a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cadeken. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me! I already got an e-mail from them. No, I didn't edit on their behalf. I just so happened to be on vacation, meaning I couldn't respond to the e-mail until now. Again, I haven't edited on their behalf. Thank you once again for telling me! 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 21:22, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

No problem! You should probably forward the email to a CheckUser. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 21:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Forwarded it to someone called AmandaNP. Got that username from a list of active CheckUsers. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 07:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Eugeniusz Olszyna closure

Hi Japaleño, sorry I only just noticed this, but I think it's important to point out that non-admins, especially those who are not experienced at AfD, are prohibited from closing discussions that are close or likely to be contentious, which this AfD certainly was. Your close statement also suggests you are not super familiar with notability guidelines (SIGCOV is part of GNG) or with how they intersect with policies like NOT. If I had seen your close at the time I would have requested you revert, but as it's been several months, I'm just going to ask that you change the outcome here to no consensus so that a future discussion on the topic remains possible. Thanks, JoelleJay (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I am very sorry about that. I will change the outcome to no consensus. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 09:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! JoelleJay (talk) 00:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 06:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:JackSucksAtLife

Just an fyi, Sportskeeda is considered generally unreliable as stated in these discussions on RSN: Sportskeeda geneally unreliable? and Addition of Sportskeeda to Video Game sources. DarkNight0917 (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that. Thank you for letting me know, though. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 15:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN (3rd nomination)

Your closure doesn't really fall into WP:NAC as there was no strong consensus to keep. It could have been relisted to get a consensus. LibStar (talk) 13:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I will be asking for a Deletion review. LibStar (talk) 13:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

After second thought, I understand your point. I'll see how I can withdraw the closure and follow Timothy's advice in the deletion review. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 14:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. LibStar (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Visagate

Please could you reopen the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20#Visagate? It only ran for three days, and I'm not sure it's correct for you to close your own discussion anyway. The name doesn't appear to be found in any source, so obviously we should delete it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright 🔥Jalapeño🔥 08:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru Done. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 08:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Just a question

Are you allowed to review your own AfC submissions? Not saying I'm gonna do that, but I'm just curious if that's allowed. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 06:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

It seems pointless. If you are a reviewer, you have permissions to create an article directly in article space without going through the AfC process.

I imagine someone would notice if you reviewed your own submission and, if they disagreed with the decision to accept an article, raise some questions. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Though if I submit something in the draft that I didn't originally create and was moved from mainspace to draftspace, can I review that submission due to my reviewer privileges? 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This question is getting further into the hypothetical realm where I can't be sure if I'm answering the real question. Yes, reviewers can edit drafts to improve them and subsequently review them. A draftify action by another editor should be respected and not reflexively be undone, but technically there is no barrier to reviewing a draft that you have contributed to. But let's be clear. A "review" generally has two outcomes: accept or decline (we'll leave rejections out of this discussion for now). If you make improvements to a draft, then decline it, you haven't advanced the draft further towards acceptance than if you had simply made improvements and left a comment. If you were to accept a draft that you think is sufficiently promising and - subsequent to accepting it - made improvements, there is not much difference than if you had done these operations in the other order. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Nazran uprising

Hello! How you doing? It's very unfortunate that Nazran uprising failed GA nomination. Could you please show me where exactly are the issues (for example, grammar mistakes) that I should fix in the article? I'd be happy to fix them. I also don't understand how is the article unstable and that there's supposedly war editing going on when there isn't (see its revision history here)? Also, which "issues" were noted in "a previous GA review" when this is my first time nominating the article? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 12:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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Wrong translation for Dutch pangram

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Hey!

Thank you for pointing out the mistake. My Dutch isn't perfect, so thanks for fixing the mistake! 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you!! Have a nice day too! 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hello again. I would like to just mention that the Bosnian flag of lilies with a golden border is more commonly used nowadays in Bosnia and around the world by Bosniaks compared to the flag without the golden border. The flag is used by many people and organisations, which I have listed below:

https://www.sda.ba/vijest/vlada-fbih-ubrzanim-zaduzivanjem-ugrozava-ekonomsku-stabilnost-fbih/2308

https://balkaninsight.com/2018/09/26/bosnian-serb-describes-night-long-shooting-in-kravica-09-26-2018/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hundreds-protest-ex-bosnia-commanders-war-crimes-charges/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bosnian_flags_in_Sarajevo.jpg

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/president-erdogan-commemorates-bosnias-alija-izetbegovic

https://index.ba/zeljko-komsic-necu-dozvoliti-da-mi-se-otima-komad-zemlje/

https://opcinabuzim.ba/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Zlatni-ljiljani-4.jpg

It is very rare to see the use of the flag without the golden border, especially nowadays. There is a similar situation to the flag of the ARBiH, in which I have very rarely seen the use of the flag without the golden border. As I stated on the ARBiH Wikipedia article, the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Corps of the ARBiH used the golden border. The picture of the female conscript in her uniform also has the golden border of the flag of lilies.

StackOfBiscuits (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I understand your logic, but the flag without the golden border seems to have been more commonly used during the Yugoslav Wars (Washington Agreement main picture and File:Flag cemetery Mostar.JPG are examples of this).

Historical accuracy is what matters, not the modern-day accuracy, as this flag is no longer used by any legal government. I am pretty sure the golden border is more commonly used because of Wikipedia.

Also, the document detailing the flag doesn't mention any golden border, so there's that as well. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I can see from your point of view as well, but I believe that Wikipedia's use of the golden border has had an almost negligible impact on the usage by the Bosniak people. For example, I would find it quite difficult to believe that the SDA, the largest Bosniak political party in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and an icon of Bosniak nationalism, would make such a mistake that they would use the wrong flag of the country that they had created. Even if the SDA had somehow (repeatedly) made such a major mistake in using the wrong flag of their own country, the use of the golden-bordered flag is still much more common among the Bosniak people. From this, and the evidences I provided in my initial comment, the flag on the Bosniaks article should use the golden-bordered version.

We must also keep in mind that the Bosnian flag with the golden border is not something which has just been created on Wikipedia, because there are photos of Alija Izetbegović (the first Bosnian president) with the coat of arms which contains the golden border:

https://www.sda.ba/stranica/alija-izetbegovic-biografija/53

https://5pillarsuk.com/2023/08/07/bosnia-herzegovina-marks-birthday-of-wartime-leader-alija-izetbegovic/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/alija-izetbegovic-vision-was-a-moral-compass-for-life/2011861

https://sarajevotimes.com/the-20th-anniversary-of-the-death-of-alija-izetbegovic-was-marked-in-sarajevo/

So it seems the golden-bordered version was quite commonly used, especially by Izetbegović and his government.

Furthermore, it must also be noted that the use of the ARBiH logo without the golden border has been extremely rare, even during the war. The File:Flag cemetery in Mostar.JPG is one of the only times I have seen an ARBiH flag without the golden border. Even still, this ignores many instances where there is usage of the ARBiH flag with the golden border, such as in File:Bosnian flags in Sarajevo.jpg. Here are some evidences of use of the golden-bordered version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-mSB2zaKk (at 0:25)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWma8TeVUbc (at 1:24)

https://www.nkp.ba/danas-je-dan-armije-republike-bosne-i-hercegovine/

A female conscript in Visoko in 1992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgaPDpr-tug (this one is probably the most convincing evidence, as it is an video from ARBiH themselves. It is incredibly unlikely that they have made a mistake with their own logo)

Personally, I have found the use of the golden-bordered flag to be quite common during the war too, perhaps even more common than without the golden border. There are also plenty of videos which do contain the use of the flag of lilies (or just coat of arms) with the golden border, such as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwji5I6tXvg (at 0:36)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKGvcOppO0 (You can just about see the coat of arms here with golden border on the official municipal building at 0:47)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPesIucF8Ds (at 0:32)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVV_vxJugME (at 0:00)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ag_vdq_5s (at 2:05)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqJZMN8WAAcbnXa?format=jpg&name=900x900

The flag of lilies without the golden border in the Washington Agreement is a flag probably produced by the American government. It is not the same as the one typically used by the Bosnian government.

Many Bosnian and English sources describe Alija Izetbegović accepting a version of the flag with a golden border, after the colour of it had been changed from silver and the background colour of the flag from light blue to white.

Bosnia and Herzegovina was a very newly established country, and it could have been that due to the urgency of war, many of the flags were produced in a way which was not always faithful to the way the Bosnian government preferred. Some of them had different sized lilies, some had more rounded shields, some had different shades of blue, some without a golden border, etc.

To summarise, there is much more evidence for use of the golden border than without the golden border. Since it seems that the Bosnian government preferred the use of the coat of arms with a golden border, I will revert the changes on the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina to suit this. Likewise, for the flag or the ARBiH, I think it is most historically accurate to change it to the golden bordered version. This is because the overwhelming majority of places containing the ARBiH flag use the flag with the golden border. The flag of the Bosniaks should be the golden bordered version as this is typically what Bosniaks have used from the evidences that I have provided. StackOfBiscuits (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I stand corrected. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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