User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis/Archive 1

Carabinieri Art Squad

Good work on this article! I believe that it passes the qualifications to be included in Did You Know, so I've nominated it for review here; if it's approved, your article will be on Wikipedia's Main Page in a few days, and a fact from it will potentially be seen by hundreds of thousands of people. Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Great, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

There is a minor issue with the article that needs addressing before I can pass the DYK nomination. Details can be found at the nomination page. Thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 13:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, I hope, with citation for first para, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello

I want to commend you an all of your content creations. Secondly where did you get your name from. Sounds kind of sciency. mauchoeagle _(c) 03:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Not science though, it's from the Aeneid - 'the hide of a dappled lynx', supposedly worn by the virgin huntress sister of Venus - and from there is borrowed for the Inferno for one of the three beasts symbolizing concupiscence...

Quite the long name though. If you ever wanted to shorten it to just Maculosae, I could help you. mauchoeagle _(c) 04:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - and good luck with the history: what period? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 04:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I am studying the history of Canada during the American War of Independence. Also do you want to shorten your name to Maculosae or something else. mauchoeagle _(c) 04:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Interesting, and something I know too little about. A kind offer re the name, but I think I'll stick with it - though others don't have to use the whole caboodle, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 04:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Would you be interested in being granted the reviewer permission. Its not really that big a permission but it could help in your good-faith editing habits. mauchoeagle _(c) 05:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Certainly - although for the moment at least I will probably be largely concentrating on new articles, I would very much like to gain practice in such matters, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 05:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Well if you want reviewer, go to WP:PERM/RW and click on the add request link. Make sure to mention that you have created many well referenced, notable articles and already have the autoreviewer user right. mauchoeagle _(c) 05:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Will do (before too long). Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 05:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

If you want I will nominate you. mauchoeagle _(c) 05:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

That would be great - perhaps in a couple of days, once I've uploaded the content I've prepared and have swotted up on the permission rights/responsibilities, I could come knocking on your door? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 05:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Cultural Properties of Japan

Hi! It seems that you are interested in Cultural Properties of Japan. A while ago I kicked off this little project and together with User:Urashimataro started to create articles found in Template:Cultural Properties of Japan (still needs some work). I'd be very happy if you decided to help with it. There are lots of open tasks, such as creating articles on some of the more interesting cultural properties, finding/uploading/adding pictures of cultural properties, completing lists of cultural properties, keeping lists and articles up to date (new nominations...). I am currently adding some prose to List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: books) in order to nominate it at WP:FLC and am slowly adding to List of Important Intangible Folk Cultural Properties (help appreciated). bamse (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Your work is the best thing I've found in Wikipedia - though I hope you will be doing the same for ICPs shortly... I've found it a fantastic resource as I've tried to find my way around and would be very pleased to help where I can, especially on populating the intangibles. Thank you for the invite, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:30, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Very happy that you are interested. What do you mean by "doing the same for ICPs"? I won't do lists for all ICPs that's for sure ;-) It would be good to have lists of all top-level cultural properties though in my opinion (i.e. of NT but not of ICP; of "Special Places of Scenic Beauty" but not of "Places of Scenic Beauty", etc.). We are almost there, only misssing a couple of lists. The NT lists are up to date, however the other lists are likely not, but probably only represent the status at the time the lists were written (1-2 years ago or so). I am sure you know the site, but just in case: database of all cultural properties. bamse (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

You are a kind and strong bear, I'm sure you can make it. And there are all those Prefectural, City, Town (?village?) assets too... I came across the database a couple of years ago, but couldn't make much of it. Now all this framework is in place... Looks like there have been many new Important Cultural Landscapes over the past months, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Not strong enough bear for all of those :-) Good job with the cultural landscapes! If this list is complete, you could change the date in the Template:Complete just after the table. That would help for later updates. bamse (talk) 08:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Woops, thought I had - forgot it's 2011 not 2010, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Changed it to 2011. bamse (talk) 10:13, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

BTW, I invited Urashimataro, who wrote most of the non-NT Cultural Properties articles, to join forces. Unfortunately he doesn't have much time, but said he would give his input. bamse (talk) 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Important Intangible Cultural Properties

I know that it is still in a very rough state, just some (minor) suggestions:

• We might want to use the same color scheme of tables across cultural properties lists. I don't care at all about which scheme to use.
• I'd rename the header "Intangible Property" to something else (not to repeat the section heading): "Name" or "Designated property" or something like it.
• Fixed two incorrectly linked wikipedia pages, there might be more ("Echizen" links to a disambig page).
• Not sure about the hiragana. I think it should only appear if it is really an alternative spelling commonly used in Japanese (which I am not sure is always the case).
• Concerning English/Kanji/Hiragana/Romaji: In NT articles I generally (one exception) provided English/Kanji/Romaji for the names of NT. However, there have been some comments basically asking for removal of Kanji/Romaji arguing that these cluttered the tables. My argument against it is that (i) many NT are "more uniquely" defined through their Kanji-name than any English translation (which is often ambiguous) and (ii) the NT are designated first and foremost in Japanese, with their Japanese name. The first argument does not really hold here and one might consider getting rid of Kanji/Hiragana for cases where there exists a wikipedia article (e.g. Bizen-yaki).
• I noticed that you generally don't translate (i.e. you keep the Romaji). I am not much familiar with the topic, so can't say, but possibly one could translate some of the terms, e.g. 刺繍 -> Embroidery, 銅鑼 -> Gong, 彫金 ->Engraving, 鋳金 ->Casting,...
• Image column should be made unsortable

As I wrote before, very interesting list, and I am glad that you tackle it. bamse (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

And I was wondering on how to present the Living NT and the IICP lists, since they are so closely related. Having an extra column in the IICP list with the names of Living NT would probably be to cramped, no? bamse (talk) 20:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I have (1) amended the colour scheme; (2) renamed the header 'Name'; (3) been pleased Ra is now longed a goddess (4) removed the hiragana; the kanji are in no sense 'clutter' - not only are these the unique and proper designation, but those interested can google these for additional images and information in Japanese sources, and they are also a learning tool, so I'm very glad you have decided to retain them (5) translated some of these - but many seem to go under their transliterated rather than translated names; improvements needed I'm sure; (6) corrected; (7) extended for the performance traditions. I really like the idea of the extra column for the 'bearers'/living NTs and will do this before too long (though it may be in a few weeks' time), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Looks better and better. I have a question: my understanding was that Intangible Cultural Properties of Japan refers to performance/crafts traditions that are practiced today. On the other hand, you list sometimes old stuff (Kamakura Buddha, dotaku,...) so I was wondering whether Intangible CP covers also ancient techniques that are not practiced anymore? As a related question, some properties (Metal casting,...) are very broad. Are these somewhat restricted or are really all types of metal casting meant here? bamse (talk) 23:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, maybe I should change those pictures; I was trying to say per the refs that these techniques have had a long history, and was using these images as obvious examples. I think they are meant to be intangible yes, but not extinct. Some of the techniques in question, such as casting, seem quite broad I agree (木工芸 sounds like it might be too). Re metal casting (chūkin), according to the database this appears to include sougata, rougata, sunagata, komegata etc, so broad indeed; some others seem much more specific. On the whole I've translated the more general and transliterated the more specific, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 01:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Images on ja-Wikipedia and stuff

Hi! You added some images to List of Special Places of Scenic Beauty, Special Historic Sites and Special Natural Monuments which are only available on ja-wikipedia and therefore don't show up here (e.g. [1]). Are you going to move them to commons or shall I do it (which I'd happily do)? PS: One more general question: do you have any intention of bringing articles to FL, GA, ...? With any new article you create (or any large expansion of an existing article) you could show it off at the wikipedia main page via WP:DYK which is a good idea in my opinion in order to get some more people to read about Japanese Cultural Properties. DYK is a pretty painless process, and if you need help, just drop me a note. DYK has to be applied for within 5 days after article creation (so you'd have to be somewhat quick). bamse (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I shall reload the images shortly (you showed me the tool a few days back and with these links as well I should be able to learn how to do it - thanks). On the Featured List/Good Article front, maybe long-term I will try to improve some pieces sufficiently; however, at least for now, my main focus is on initial coverage of things that are missing. That said, the aim (as well as to learn) is at least in part to provide useful material for and spread the word about in particular Japanese Cultural Properties; so if that's the best way... DYKs might be good - can one self-recommend? In fact I have my first coming up: Carabinieri Art Squad (bit thin and off-topic but anyway). Had hoped Ōtsuka Museum of Art might have been eligible but it's presumably too late now: would have thought anywhere combining full-size ceramic replicas of the Scrovegni and Sistine Chapels with robots would have been sufficiently attention-grabbing, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Must admit, that I hadn't heard of the Ōtsuka Museum of Art before (though it seems somewhat famous). Looks very interesting. Yes you can self-recommend DYK. In fact that's the most common way it is done I believe. Too bad it is too late for the Sistine robots. bamse (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed all the other great (and well referenced!) articles you've been writing these days and had a very enjoyable read. Especially liked this, this and this. Very much, looking forward to future articles you write. Too bad that it is too late for a DYK of ...neglects to blacken her teeth; and allows herself to be seen by men. bamse (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot - and I'd forgotten about Mushi mezuru himegimi: I think you're right, that would have made a mighty fine DYK hook (and it might have got more than the c.600 views for the Carabinieri out of 4.2 million hits for the day on the main page). Still working on those images - it's tricky you know! (Looks like someone with a Delta as a username has cleaned the red links for the moment - but hope to have them done shortly.) Did you hear Hiraizumi now has ICOMOS approval (and probably some general/political goodwill too) so should be inscribed on the World Heritage List in June? (And I see you beat me too it with the redirects and links for your National Treasures articles), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:48, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations to the Carabinieri! Not sure whom you mean with the Delta username. I knew that Hiraizumi wanted to be a WHS, but haven't heard the latest (good) news. Also didn't know that there were that many tentative sites in Japan. bamse (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 Tsunami related edits

hey you have been doing some great work as you are no doubt aware. I'm really impressed with the quality of the pages you make right with your first edit. I can never get my edits correct so every time I am working on even a paragraph it takes me like five edits to get it correct.

anyways, its a plain fact that the tsunami page needs a much more detailed and relevant social and cultural section. Right now its very heavy on infrastructure and official consequences, and very little on cultural or personal consequences. Any expansions of the new cultural properties section you want to do would be supported by me, or even on related themes if you can think of them. I don't understand japanese so I am limited in what types of editing I can do on this page- I have been almost the only person adding and formatting the images but I only can use whats on commons, or PD released by the US govt, so as you might imagine the image quality of the Tsunami page is lower than I'd like to see if we had full access to japanese images (with a japanese speaker). Any images you want to add or have me work with instead please let me know.

The priority for this page will always be on cultural or physical effects of the tsunami, and the image will preferably illustrate that impact, but other than that we are pretty wide open because almost nothing has been done yet on these topics. Something the article does not have yet, that eventually it will need, are published editorials of disaster impact by leading intellectuals and opinion-makers of japan (and elsewhere)- again a japanese speaker would be very helpful with such a section.

anyways I know it is a lot to ask when from reading your talk page I can see you're already up to your ankles in wp, but from editing many of the developing world events articles I can promise you the tsunami page is the fastest progressing major disaster page I have ever worked on- i think it will be GA if not FA by the end of the year. And it has been the most orderly and consensus oriented page I have seen in a long time. So a seemingly fully bilingual editor with cultural and historical editing skills would be a huge boost for a pretty important page. Thanks again 66.220.113.98 (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

ps I had to replace the image of matsushima islands, with a tsunami-related image. There were only TWO images I could find on all of commons, that were of tsunami damaged cultural properties, one was this rokkokudo, and the other was this of Aoba Castle, if you think it is preferable from a historical or cultural perspective, or have another image that is better I would be happy to make the edits. 66.220.113.98 (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carabinieri Art Squad

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

I saw you created a lot of Buddhist temple articles. It would be grateful if you could use this template like this. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 16:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the greetings (likewise), and yes, I'll certainly do so in future (as long as I remember), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:13, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Another note, if I may: you don't really need to use the "new unreviewed article" template any more. I've removed it from a number of articles you've created; all of them have been fine, so I don't think you need anyone to review your work any more.

Excellent articles - keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh! siete qui? Grazie, messere Amantio! Gianni, aka Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Asuka-Fujiwara

Hi! Not sure what exactly is included in the tentative UNESCO site, but I suppose based on the name it is rather about ancient stuff than recent temple constructions. Probably one could use this for Asuka-dera and a mountain-only picture for Yamato Sanzan. Don't know of any available image for the Okadera site. Of course if the UNESCO site includes temple buildings, ignore this comment. bamse (talk) 08:59, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I have switched the Asuka-dera image - thanks. Re Oka-dera, while I think you're right that it's not these buildings, there is no appropriate image, while this one does at least show the ...continuity... of religious practice on the site, what do you think? For Yamato Sanzan, I think it's being proposed more for its cultural resonance than the fact that it's three hills, so having this 'cultural site' image with Mt.Unebi in the background might make the point better than one of the others, none of which is perfect - again, what do you think? Will remove & switch respectively if you prefer.

Also, I'm a little confused by the status of Kanjizaiō-in in Hiraizumi - I'm not spotting it in the database, but both this and this (p.3 no.3) say it's a Special Historic Site; the only thing I can think of is that it's adjacent to Mōtsū-ji so may be included in that entry, but it seems a little odd. Do you know about this or have you seen anything similar? What mention should I make of this? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Makes a lot of sense your reasoning for using those pictures. No objections. As for Kanjizaiō-in, I don't have a clue either. Possibly the database is outdated or it was just forgotten. Based on this and this, 観自在王院跡 was designated as Special Historic Site together with Motsuji ("毛越寺境内　附　鎮守社跡") in Showa 27. The database has this information: 毛越寺と観自在王院の間の町道部分及び関連鎮守社である白山社の南側の池跡を追加指定し、併せて名称変更した。 but I don't know whether that's relevant. Sorry for not being of much help. bamse (talk) 19:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

More than helpful - thank you for the links, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

more tsunami edits

hi I changed the tsunami image for Cultural Properties to this image, which seemed to show a more informative degree of damage. Any wikilinks or info you can provide would greatly help, as you can see the image description says its Tokiwa shrine in Mito city. Do you think this is a better choice than the Rokkakudo image to represent cultural effects? 66.220.113.98 (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I do, ?great? - I'll look into it and get back to you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Updated, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 01:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

wow that was quick work, you're pretty much the best wp editor I've ever seen- considering how new your username is, I wonder where you learned such wp skills. Thanks again 66.220.113.98 (talk) 02:17, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Waka intro

Just saw a fantastic article and was wondering whether you are still interested in having a stab at the waka intro. I'd be very happy if you did (at least partially). Not sure whether it makes sense, since my knowledge of the topic is limited, but I was thinking of the following order for the intro (feel free to disagree):

1. waka definition->general waka history (import of chinese poems->waka), Waka is japanese native poetry...; mention various types of waka (chouka, sedouka, tanka,...)
2. waka is preserved/transmitted in three (written) forms (true?): imperial anthologies, private anthologies and utaawase, (plus waka criticism?); describe each shortly
3. mention heian court culture (poetry was essential for court life, both private and political)
4. description of NT works

Possibly some of this could be used, but that is far from complete.

Unrelated to this, do I understand correctly that the NT "utaawase" manuscripts (e.g. the ten volume edition) generally cover more than one poetry contest? Also I was wondering whether they include only the poems or in addiion also judgements or other information? Lastly I have difficulty finding any information on some of the NT utaawase, such as years of contests, number of poems or anything else. So if you stumble on anything in this respect, please let me know. bamse (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I would certainly be happy to have a first stab on the waka introduction - and I like the sound of your proposed outline (though with points 2&3 switched?); as for your question on the manuscripts, I don't really know, but my understanding (hopefully better substantiated in due course) is:

• Poetry Contest (歌合 utaawase), ten volume edition; [a compilation? They could have given it a more helpful title...]
• Poetry Contest of Great Poets (歌仙歌合 kasen utaawase) [imaginary occasion]
• Poems from the Poetry Match Held by the Empress in the Kanpyō era (寛平御時后宮歌合 kanpyō no ontoki kisai no miya utaawase) [c.890, single occasion]
• Record of Poetry Match in Fifteen Rounds (十五番歌合 Jūgoban utaawase) [single occasion, but one of many with this number/title]
• Poetry competition in 29 rounds at Hirota Shrine (広田社二十九番歌合 Hirota-sha nijūkuban utaawase) [1172, single occasion]
• Poetry Match on Related Themes (類聚歌合 Ruijū utaawase?), 20 volume edition [compilation] related to this?

My understanding is that the judgements and various comments on the occasion are also included, as in a couple of the examples in Utaawase, but I hope to firm up on this. Certainly will let you know (update the article?) with anything I stumble upon, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Looking forward to an updated article. Switching 2 and 3 is perfectly fine. I started with the Chinese books in the meantime. As for the poetry contests, I think the ten volume Poetry Contest (歌合 utaawase) (two NT) and the Poems from the Poetry Match Held by the Empress in the Kanpyō era (寛平御時后宮歌合 kanpyō no ontoki kisai no miya utaawase) are one work (and likely originally one mansuscript which has been cut up in parts). The other NTs are unique. bamse (talk) 18:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

And let me know if I can be of any help with the intro. bamse (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

NIJL

Do you know this? Do you think it is useful for writing articles about Japanese literature? bamse (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't, and thanks a lot for the link; may take a while until I'm able to answer your question properly though, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Somehow I did not manage to get any meaningful information out of it, but probably I misused it. Not sure which of the databases to use either. Let me know if you have more success. bamse (talk) 17:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Dog Pillow

The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tahōtō

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Tahōtō

Just wondering, is the "Examples" list in Tahōtō complete, i.e., does it show all extant tahōtō? bamse (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sadly not - these things are like Whac-A-Mole... It's complete for the NT and ICP buildings, and I've gone through as many of the prefectural listings as I could find; I have the feeling there are quite a few other twentieth century examples, but I imagine its nearly there for those dating to before the Edo period. Apparently there are 7 on Kōyasan and those aren't all listed. To illustrate the form, however, hopefully these few examples should suffice. I didn't realize how many there were, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

PS 700 images of Todaiji sounds promising - hopefully there'll be some coverage of things new, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I also was under the impression that there were not that many. Thanks for teaching me something new. Ikegami Honmon-ji and Yakuō-ji yugitō look interesting.... Looking forward to the Tōdai-ji pictures. Hopefully they are not all of the Daibutsuden. BTW, I started working on a Tōdai-ji map (present status). It'll take some time before I dare to show it in public though. bamse (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Great - a plan is just what's needed; good luck though, there's quite a lot to it... Yes Ikegami Honmon-ji does look interesting, even if not stricktly a tahōtō; what's strange is that a couple of miniature tahōtō are included in 建造物. Unfortunately while the article has been expanded more than 5x it's not eligible for DYK because the 'prose' has only been increased a little and content in the table doesn't count; we'll have to remember that when aiming for the intangible folk straw raincoats DYK. On the Todaiji front I have found a couple of books/articles with useful material and refs; images are apparently on their way; maybe we could copy in that table on the talk page for the buildings and pull together another one for the various National Treasure objects (presumably you would be happy with this just being copied and pasted from the various NT articles?); then with a plan as well we should be nearly there, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I added a couple of sketched plans to Shiogama Jinja and Kōfuku-ji a little while back (though would be happy for them to be removed again as I'm not sure how pro they look); I think the best thing about them are the floating links - rather than adding any labels to your plan, I don't know whether it would be worth uploading it as a drawing and then adding them in similarly? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Too bad about the DYK. Copy paste of tables is in principle fine with me. However, if we really want to take it to GA/FA, eventually those tables will have to go (by rules). As for the plan, yes there is quite a lot. Another problem is that it is very spread out, so it might be difficult to see much on a normal-sized plan (width=300px or so in wikipedia articles). Compared to the official plan I will definitely leave out some details (toilets,...). I'll definitely include all the NT/ICP buildings. What else do you think is essential to have in the plan (paths, administrative and other buildings, ponds,...)? How about starting a WP:PR asking for comments/suggestions on what needs to be added/changed and how to organize the article? bamse (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

PS: Ah, yes, I noticed those sketches and was at first wondering what they are (;-)) and how they were made. They might not be pro, but at least they give an impression of how the temple looks and how the buildings are arranged. Don't remove them unless there is a better plan available. bamse (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

PPS: And thanks for the Ueno Daibutsu. I passed it once and until now thought that it was some kind of modernish art. Didn't know that it was part of a real daibutsu. My ignorance... bamse (talk) 19:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Chinese books

Started with the intro to List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(writings:_Chinese_books)#Chinese_manuscripts, and would like to add some general information on the designated treasures/works. I noticed a strange thing with these Chinese manuscripts/Chinese books treasures: almost all are from the Tang Dynasty (618-907), but one treasure is from 1154, i.e. much later. Do you have any idea why? Are there no other noteworthy manuscripts from the time inbetween or from after 1154? I understand that cultural exchange with China (including import of Chinese books) was limited in mid/late Heian period, but this selection of treasures looks a bit strange? Second question: Not sure what to write about [manuscripts]. They seem to be mostly Heian period manuscripts, but I have no idea what to search for in references. Do you? bamse (talk) 18:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Utaawase

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Chinese books)

Hi! How do you do? I finished List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: Chinese books) and asked User:Truthkeeper88 to copy-edit it for WP:FLC. Please let me know if you have any comments/questions/suggestions for that list. bamse (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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Cool user name!

I just wanted to say that your user name is absolutely the most elegant that I have seen! Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you - glad I did not shorten it as suggested then... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, have fleshed out a little with some other references, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Reviewed you DYK nomination for Detachment of wall paintings. But as the reference provided is in Latin, i couldnt approve it. If you get English reference, add that. Or else someone else has to review it. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 09:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and have done, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Itō Chūta

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Thanks, have done so (by removing the image), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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Montecristo

Hallo, thanks for your work on Montecristo! I removed the stuff about the possibility of opening the island to tourism, because it was only a possibility and anyway it is not actual anymore, since Berlusconi fell. Moreover, it is not true that the island was closed until 2008. I visited it in 2003 and there was the same rule about visits as now. Moreover, I moved the news about the rats at the end of the history paragraph. Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 12:59, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination comment

I was wondering which nomination you meant with your comment "references without publishers; none wikilinked (reliable sources?)". Looking at nominations such as Balinese literature (nom), the publishers are all there. Wikilinking publishers is not required, and for newspapers at least I've seen people remove such links. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, think there may be one missing in the Sendiri bibliography, though that was not necessarily the most helpful way of expressing it; seems a pity not to wikilink publishers (and a shame to remove links that have been made) as that's surely a good indicator of whether a source is reliable or not; anyway thanks again, sorry for the slight truculence, and look forward to reviewing your Balinese literature nomination in a day or two if no-one gets there first - certainly an ambitious topic, surprising there was no article sooner, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• Okay, I was using the wrong parameter there. I had written |site= instead of |work=. Thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Tamamushi Shrine sources

Hi! I (happily) noticed that you are expanding the article. Are you interested in this? bamse (talk) 16:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! (And hope I'm not treading on your toes - but it seems, sadly, that your wikitime is currently constrained.) I have forked out to get user rights at the local university library which is strong on things oriental and spent a couple of hours there this morning. If only I could read Japanese better - I can find the relevant bits, but then it all becomes much harder. Found a massive book all about it and think I have some good info. Hope to return before long and get some photos of the paintings too (2d art works...) - but I guess there are a copyright issues for the architectural details, which is a pity, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot - lots of helpful material, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. BTW, the stuff I sent is from

• Mason, Penelope E. (2004). History of Japanese Art (2nd (paperback) ed.). Prentice Hall. ISBN 978-0131176010. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help).

As for pictures, indeed finding images of 3D objects that can be used in wikipedia is difficult. Basically your options are:

1. old (typically early 20th century or older) books; but often images are low quality
2. find a picture with a suitable licence, e.g. on flickr
3. take a picture yourself (often not allowed, but if you accidentally snap one it is perfectly legal to release it with a suitable licence (e.g. PD); however you'd violate the house rules of the museum when taking the picture (which is a minor offense))

Unfortunately I don't have any access to suitable 3D images of the shrine, but you could ask ReijiYamashina who provided many of the 3D (and 2D) images for the National Treasure lists. bamse (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Sent you a bit more. bamse (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Retrieved, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

AXS Satow

All the article said was that it was a Japanese architectural firm. There was no evidence in the article to show that it meets the notability guidelines. It also did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts or notability, the only ref was to the company website. The point of speedy deletion is that if the article clearly does not meet the criteria, there is no point in consulting—the article can be recreated in an acceptable form anyway. There may well be more on Japanese Wikipedia, but that's irrelevant to the en-wiki article. Lots of links suggest that the article is needed, but not that anything will do. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

This is the text you requested—Karnataka Missions Network is a Christian organization in India. — obviously no claim of notability, and no sources either, another clear-cut speedy deletion. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Nope, that's not the text I requested - after that for AXS Satow, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

My aplogies, this is the text —

AXS Satow, Inc. (株式会社佐藤総合計画, Kabushikigaisha Satō sōgō keikaku) is a Japanese architecture firm.

External links

• Homepage

[Category:Architecture firms of Japan]]

Note that I've unlinked the category so that it doesn't link this page to the cat, and brought the header down a level so it doesn't create a new section. Again, obviously no claim of notability, and no independent sources either, another straightforward speedy Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hey there! Thanks for all your effort expanding the article I created. Its great to see it was something others were also interested in. I was just wondering if you could take a final look at the nomination. I've never been through the process before, but I notice that most of the others have some sort of template that mark them as "ready". I know there was some discussion about refining the hook, but at least 2 good ALTs have been proposed. Anyways, I figured I'd ask you since you were the reviewer of my nomination initially. If I'm totally wrong on the process, please just let me know! MyNameWasTaken (talk) 23:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi - sure, I will in just a few hours, just finishing off what I can add now, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Overdue apologies

Hi, MTL. My most heartfelt apologies for being so late with my reply. I am writing a very long piece (nothing to to with Wikipedia) I have great trouble finishing, and so I find it hard to focus on Wikipedia, even though I intend to return to editing once the storm is over.

About the gingko, the last time I saw it in September it wasn't doing too well, but I will let you know how it's doing now.

And there's indeed a renewed push to have Kamakura inscribed on the UNESCO list, but I am sure it will fail again. The city has too little to show. As I am sure you know, most temples are reconstructions, and the ruins are not even that, just fields with absolutely nothing to see.

Same for the passes: there's nothing left. I have seen them all (I live about 1 km from the Nagoshi Pass), and there really is nothing to see.

You did a great job with the article, finding photos for most items. Couldn't avoid feeling proud that most are mine. BTW, if you need an image, let me know. I will either look for it in my archives (I have tens of thousands of photos of Kamakura temples) or I will go take it. - Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 23:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, almost all your images, released to the public domain without any reservation of rights. I'm not so sure about Kamakura - I thought there was supposed to be little left of Hiraizumi other than soldiers dreams... Best of luck with the report, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Kasuga Taisha Armour image

Hi! Thanks for the latest images. I am putting them into the lists now. One question: are you sure that File:Kasuga Taisha Armour.jpg is a National Treasure and from is Kasuga Shrine? If you are sure, I could identify it with "Armour laced with red threads (赤絲威鎧 akaitōdoshi yoroi); With plum and Japanese Bush-warbler motif; nomination includes the helmet; one of two similar armours at Kasuga-taisha." by exclusion. Unfortunately I did not find an image of that armour online to compare with. bamse (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

It's definitely from Kasuga Taisha (according to the book) but the image predates the designation so there is no conclusive indication there; looks similar to a somewhat slumped version of this to me (sorry for incorrect terminology but especially the horns, face on the front of the helmet, fabric on the ear flaps, triple metal fittings at the bottom of the lamellar section etc) - what do you think? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed looks a lot like it. Somehow I did not find the page you linked before. All images are in use now. bamse (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Dainichi Nyorai

Wanted to comment on the article in your sandbox and was surprised to find another sculpture there. Dainichi Nyorai looks very good and I only fixed two typos. Just a suggestion: to avoid misunderstanding I usually write dates as "# day, # month # year of [era-name]" and in parantheses or as footnote the Western date). As for the article, I am not sure what date "twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month of 1175" corresponds to. Wouldn't "安元一年十一月二十四日" be 1176 (January 7)? bamse (talk) 06:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC) I like the DYK hook, but don't know whether "bulging aubergine" is a commonly used term in English or whether we may translate it literally. Also, the hook might need a reference saying that this particular statue features a shikinasu. bamse (talk) 06:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes - jumped the gun a little; wanted to make a start on the Tanjō Butsu as it might make a good DYK for the 8th; about the shikinasu, have expanded in a footnote and supported with another ref; re the dating - Angen has examples of 11th month of Angen 1 which is still 1175; all English sources I've looked at that specify concerning this statue also say started 1175, completed 1176; I thought x1 just meant the calendar year in which x became emperor, so that 11th month x1 is not eleven months after accession but 11th month of the year of accession, but could be wrong; re your comments on your talk page - I know nothing more about the swords or the photo other than it was published mid-20s; perhaps the hall was then effectively a store room? Warrior monks of Horyuji like of Hiei-san? Swords dedicated at temples as at shrines? Maybe will find something about it one day... About your two articles underway: CiNii has a couple of open-access Japanese articles; don't know if you have Acrobat writer and can OCR Japanese pdfs? There's also an article in Nihon Rekishi, which is apparently a journal and I could photocopy... Can't find much in English amongst my stuff, other than the Cambridge History you have; Do you have JSTOR access for the couple of mentions that come up? Ban Dainagon looks more promising as there are several volumes all about it; am I right in thinking you have uploaded entire scrollable scrolls before? How did you do that, by photomerging a series of images in Photoshop? I may be able to do something similar, but need to see the volumes first (failed to get to the library today as the railway was closed and replaced (or not) by buses (live in England...)). If you don't have JSTOR, I may be able to obtain, and also for the Japanese Journal of Religious Studies article this is available open-access on the Nanzan link in this stub. Also, I've uploaded the missing Japanese writings (I accidently switched the names for Hirota and Nyudo, but have noted this in the file descriptions), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Was offline for a while. Good bathing Buddha article (as usual)!

• As for the date, I usually rely on nengocalc. Is there something wrong with it?

Will check it out, thanks

Looks v.useful - will go back to the transcriptions etc to check this date

• As for sources, my Japanese is a bit rusty, so I'd prefer computer readable Japanese (which I then usually tackle with rikaichan) or something in English (or German, Spanish,...). I've been playing a bit with those CiNii pdfs but they were in some strange format and I could not convert them to something normal. For the Hirotsugu Rebellion, a translation (even into modern Japanese) of the Shoku Nihongi would be good (see [[2]]). I don't have JSTOR access, but I got one paper on the Ban Dainagon Scrolls (Matsuo, Kenji (2001). "Explaining the "Mystery" of Ban Dainagon ekotoba") through wikipedia's resource exchange.

Is this any good for Shoku Nihongi? Otherwise I'm sure I'll be able to find the relevant passages; that Matsuo Kenji Ban Dainagon article would have been open access here, but for some reason it doesn't readily pop up on google. Didn't know about Rikaichan either, looks interesting but for now I don't use any of those brousers.

Unfortunately JHTI only has the first 6 volumes of the Shoku Nihongi which don't cover the interesting period (around the year 740).

Should be able to track this down some time next week

• I uploaded a couple of high resolution images from tiled image viewer sites such as Emuseum. Don't have photoshop, so had to use some free tools. I used downthemall to download the tiles and then either photoscape (windows) or montage (Linux) to combine them afterwards. Depending on the naming of the files, you might need to change filenames (e.g. 1_2.jpg to 2_1.jpg) before combining. Let me know if you want to know more about it.

Thanks; I checked out the complete volumes of Ban Dainagon - one was big, but b&w; one big and colour but the images go right into the page joins without overlap (might be good for particular details); one has really good pictures but they span two pages; so for the whole thing we're left with one with quite small pictures - I tried photographing it but it's pretty glossy; it's not confined so I'll borrow it at some point and try in natural light; there's various bits of English blurb too, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW, how do you take all those pictures from books? Camera pointing down or horizontally and how do you keep the pages flat? bamse (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I mount my camera on a tripod with the lens facing down from directly above; I bought one of these led lights with diffuser to boost the lighting; take on manual settings, normally 1/10 second and as narrow an aperture as I can get away with (normally around F4) to maximize depth-of-field - the pages may be 2D, but with the curve of the books it's useful; I take the images on a time delay so as to reduce shake and also so I can hold the pages flat (and photoshop out my fingers if necessary); I've also got a little weight from when I joined a class of Japanese children for a couple of calligraphy lessons a decade back, and am v.careful not to force the spines or anything; if the pages have a really strong curve I might try to angle the camera a little, and there's also the "lens correction" feature on photoshop which allows you to correct for any whacky horizontal and vertical distortions; I could probably boost the exposure more in photoshop, but anyone who wants to can always do that with the images I'm uploading, whereas if things are over-exposed my understanding is that information is actually lost; I think a camera actually has the potential to gives higher quality images than your average domestic scanner, better white balance (though you can correct), much better depth of field etc; fortunately that big Shimbi Shoin collection I started with and the bosatsu are loose sheets which makes it all much easier, can build up quite a speed as nothing changes from one to the next, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Will have a look at the images now... oh so many beautiful images of the Tamamushi Shrine and the bosatsu on clouds! thanks. bamse (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Another 26 bosatsu to go... But how about - super beautiful and significant too....

Certainly beautiful and significant. Do I understand correctly that it is a sideview of a building and the "horns" are part of the roof? What is the red part then? bamse (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

If you check out google images for 子持家形埴輪 (house-shaped haniwa) there seem to a number of examples with extended/flared gables, perhaps it's a little similar to those; apparently (Kidder ref) the red delineates the door. Not quite sure what the green/blue bit on the roof is for - a reference to the patina of bronze tiles? (actually, probably not); I think the view is a frontal view of the long side of the building, with the entrance on this long side as with temples etc

Or the shape could be a way of depicting chigi (?or their prototype/something similar?) ? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You might want to use rename on the incorrectly titled files. bamse (talk) 20:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for the link; and that Todaiji page - will expand (soon-ish) for the movables, but this table doesn't seem to have drawn many new images while languishing on the talk page for a year (just had to switch kunishitei.bunka for www.bunka - the database has changed address (does that mean other integrated dbs for the todofuken shitei and shichoson shitei are on their way?)), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Shaka at Birth (Tōdai-ji)

I've reviewed the article but am not sure if the hook is appropriate for an article about a particular statue. Please reply at the nomination. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Why, thank you!; but the amazing edits will once more be yours once all those books arrive... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Image question

Since there are two Maeda Kokinshu, can you confirm that this image is the "Oldest extant manuscript of the Kokin Wakashū"/"Fragments of scroll 19" and that this work is attributed to Fujiwara no Kiyosuke/"Two bound books"? bamse (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

That is indeed my belief, and these 2D images are from separate entries here; I would say safe to insert for now, and I will double check all this batch of writings once the library reopens after Easter, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Inserted. bamse (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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	Thank you for covering Japanese tradition, culture and beauty, with its history of integrity. "No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine" - thanks for that as well, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

And thank you, for this and other gems, not only those prefaced BWV, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing one after the other of the BWV kind for DYK, including BWV 7 for next Sunday! Did you know the one for last Sunday comes disguised as Chorale cantata (Bach) because I couldn't possibly expand BWV 2 enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, they're interesting to read and I wasn't previously so aware of the textual background - plus if it can help maintain the momentum! I've had a quick look and will pick up again in the morning - the Groves have a little on the distinction between his chorale and other cantatas which I need to swot up on first, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The stone makes today's good story (hidden message: "open mind"), please forgive me that I didn't follow your wish for the cantata appearance, to make that statement, - you awesome Wikipedian of 14 April 2012 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I did wonder about the mens aperta - and certainly a vintage page, what with Bethlehem too, although Church of the Nativity as it currently stands has been totally hijacked, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for expressing your support for me in the Sanddunes Sunrise thread and/or participating in the Ostereierbaum (Easter Egg Tree) thread. Peace to everyone. PumpkinSky talk 01:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

It's a shame to see anyone blocked, especially those who contribute lots of great content, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

One more here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Also resolved, he picked a miraculous image, pumpkin sky or Lux Aurumque ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Aye, but this user is still in the wildnerness; from what I can ascertain his primary crime was to "introduce what looks like symbolic logic from philosophy" during content debates on a couple of article talk pages; tried appealing but the &(*A?3&_|( "arbitrators" were having none of it; shame because Wikiproject Japan really needs him and a couple of its other best contributors seem to have largely slipped away at around the same kind of time, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Well actually perhaps that's the least of it, how rude is "X is advised that his unusual style of communication has not been conducive to resolving this dispute. Accordingly, X is urged to develop a different style of communication, which is more similar to that used by experienced Wikipedia editors. Until this happens, X is advised not to engage in topics which are the subject of a dispute." Unbelievable, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

One of my favourites was his comparison of his viewpoints with slurry: certain hard and fixed beliefs within a generally amorphous framework that is open to external influence and reshaping... looks like we had ourselves a poet, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Without having looked deeper into this victim of WP:Great Dismal Swamp: what do you think of adapting a version of Sanddunes Sunrise - seems fitting for Japanese topics! - and place it on the user's talk? (You don't have to use "ps", that was for PumpkinSky, of course, who used it in edit summaries, so did BarkingMoon, and you have to be the same then, for sure ...) Please point me to the appeal mentioned on the talk, I couldn't find it easily.

ps: the sapphire just made it to FA, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

here's as far as I got with the appeal; guess the user's ban will now expire in a couple of months anyway, just hope they're not too disheartened to return; thanks for pointing me to that article, mighty fine, your efforts have truly borne fruit, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your good work on Okura Museum of Art. Keep up the good work it is very much appreciated! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:19, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know quite how to respond to one with about as many DYKs as I have edits; but thank you, and I'll certainly try to "keep it up", Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

PS I like your approach to stubs; might refer to your arguments next time Mr Delete comes round, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dainichi Nyorai (Enjō-ji)

The DYK project (nominate) 09:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Another brilliant article, keep up the great work!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Tranquil and inspiring, thank you. - I changed my user and talk to more tranquility, the high voltage sign down a bit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

tranquil again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Request for amendment Senkaku Islands

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Murasaki Shikibu Seizo (紫式部聖像)

Do you happen to know anything about this portrait? This could be useful for Murasaki Shikibu and this discussion bamse (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

As you may have spotted, it featured in this recent exhibition, so I guess the catalogue entry would be the best place to look, if only someone somewhere had access to a copy... The older painting doesn't appear to be designated anywhere yet - unlike the more recent Kano-attributed (絹本著色紫式部像伝狩野孝信筆) painting (Otsu City designation). Will check the library for the Ishiyamadera-related stuff. As for the other arguments, as you say and per eg Envisioning the Tale of Genji, one of the interesting things is what's made of Murasaki/Genji through the ages, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

"from de:wp" (Chinese monuments)

Hello Maculosae tegmine lyncis! You have imported a lot of articles only with a short comment "from de:wp" (example) in the Category:Protected areas of China: Major National Historical and Cultural Sites. Please use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_importation for the history merge after import (in German called Nachimport) --77.183.123.104 (talk) 13:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC) (Reiner Stoppok, Greetings from Germany)

Certainly - and thank you for all the lists, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

What's the English equivalent for German 'Nachimport' (i.e. all revisions before the English first one)? --77.183.123.104 (talk) 13:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC) PS: I spent a lot of time with these lists.

By the way, if you're interested in things oriental, I don't know whether you have seen User:Bamse's work on the National Treasures of Japan - I'm not sure all his lists are in the German Wikipedia yet? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:11, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, if you want to show us that you can work as fast as before without some non-Chinese help, please demonstrate it here. With the help of my German lists you prepared more than half a dozen a day of the Major National Historical and Cultural Sites, I hope you are also as fast with the second-tier provincial listings. ;) --77.10.221.8 (talk) 10:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I would love to, at some point; my starting point was discovering Major Site Protected for Its Historical and Cultural Value at the National Level and thinking it would be nice to follow up a little on those users' work, not least with some more pointers as to where to look for those that are interested; they, and you, have opened up a whole new avenue; hopefully others will come in and turn all those red hooks blue... and there are now lots of links to the equivalent German and Chinese pages for interested readers; guess time is the scarcest resource, and there are other areas I'm going to be looking at first; give me a few years though and I'll certainly be right on top of all those provincial listings; maybe we could have a race! (you might win - my language skills largely relate to hic, haec, hoc and all that, though I can recognize a little 日本語 and a teeny, teeny bit of 中国語), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Attribution in the edit summary and placing the template Translated page on the article talk page would also be okay. --77.10.163.39 (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC) (Reiner Stoppok) PS: Could you please manage that in this way?

Certainly, I'll do it in the morning, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:17, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. --77.10.235.255 (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

No, thank you! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Western Thousand Buddha Caves

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Yulin Caves

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Frietmuseum

Hello! Just to say - good work on adding to the Frietmuseum article! I'm about to go away for almost a week, so wouldn't have had a chance to work on it for a while, but I think your efforts will probably allow it to get through DYK in the meantime. Take care, Moswento ^talky 13:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, good luck - I'll try to pick up any further queries in your absence, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Agkistro

Thanks a lot for the c-e job and the general support relating the article. About the supposed ancient mining sites there it appears that I had to rely mainly on specialist academic bibliography. These kinda promotional sites, although published by official local authorities, might be somewhat exaggerated.Alexikoua (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Or might be more up-to-date than those old tomes... But yes, you might be right; hopefully it's nicely balanced now! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cultural Properties of Indonesia

Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hahoe byeolsingut talnori

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Barnstar

		The 10k Copy Edit Barnstar
		For your comprehensive copy edit on the article Aizanoi. CeeGee (talk) 09:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, gee, thanks - really interesting place by the sound of things, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hahoe byeolsingut talnori

Carabinieri (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Shrine/jinja

Thanks for all your work on the cultural properties! This is great stuff. Question: per WP:MOS-JA, shouldn't the articles for Sada Jinja and Miho Jinja have been created as "Sada Shrine" and "Miho Shrine"? Take care Maculosae tegmine lyncis. Prburley (talk) 21:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Any credit should go to User:Bamse, User:Urashimataro, et al. for the grounding and the framework - but thanks, and also to you (and Boneyard90) for all the work behind the scenes, be great when you're done and can concentrate fully on expansion. As for your query, quite possibly you're right, but my preference would be to change the MOS... Seems to me like some quaint artefact from times gone by and we don't do the same for -ji or -dera; I certainly won't change back, but I can't quite bring myself to create pages with such titles in the first place - hope this isn't grounds for a block... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you'd get blocked. But personally I'd follow the MOS, and propose a change to the MOS at the same time. You used the abbreviation "et al." correctly -- are you a librarian?

I studied Classics (or rather Literae Humaniores) back in the day, so Latin tags are close to my heart! As for the MOS change, after all the recent discussion at talk:wikiproject japan I fear this might engender yet more (profitless?) distraction from time at main space - and then I'd still be left editing in a non-collegial manner, but more pointedly... Have raised a query though, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Chinese townships

They can be restarted with sources if you are interested. I'm currently sorting out old Tibetan villages and rooting out townships.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe one day - for me, it's back to things Japanese for now at least; so I see, you're making these places really come alive, what with the animal husbandry, the goats, the pastoral yak; and I saw this too, a while back, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 04:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	Japanese Barnstar of National Merit
	For your superb constructive efforts in starting the listing the Historic sites of japan by prefecture. May we see all lists complete and all articles started soon enough! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Slave driver! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Mwowooohahaha! You take as long as you need! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

P.S. this was really satisfying - I had done a little expansion on Ueno Park, an anonymous IP must have read it, then visited, taken a new photo, uploaded it, then inserted it to improve - how good's that? It's really great when everyone's working together! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

P.P.S. There's some sage advice to one of your other fledglings in the "Oooh" section of your talk page; and congratulations on the DYK count, incroyable, (oh yes, and thanks!), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wildlife Protection Areas in Japan

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DYK nomination of Yawata Steel Works

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PS: Sorry for being such a strict reviewer and making it harder than usual. I really hope that Japanese DYKs can at least rival DYKs from the US in terms of quality, if not viewership numbers. Your new articles are of quite a high quality, so please keep that up. And thanks for improving Wikipedia's coverage on Japan! Happy editing.--Lionratz (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Nothing remotely to apologize for - thanks for the useful suggestions, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikiproject Japan

Hi Maculosae tegmine lyncis,

I note that you have made significant contributions in articles regarding Japan. As such, I warmly welcome you to join Wikiproject Japan, where you can find many like-minded wikipedians who are truly passionate about Japan.(if you have joined already, please ignore this message and sorry for wasting your time) You also may be able to find resources that can help you in your editing. To join, simply add your name to the list of active participants. If you have any questions, free free to contact anyone on the project's talk page or at my talk page. Hope to see you and have fun editing!--Lionratz (talk) 02:24, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the invite; I generally try to steer clear of tribal affiliations, though you can see the kind of areas I'm interested in, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

Please check Ikema Wetland. Thank you. --Ichiro Kikuchi (talk) 01:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello there, have done, interesting as ever, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Bach's chorale cantatas

Thanks for reviewing them for DYK and changing the lead! As the template is closed, let's work on it here, starting with the current lead

"Among the cantatas by Johann Sebastian Bach, of which around two-fifths are lost, are his chorale cantatas, sacred composition for voice and instrument in which both text and music are based on one Lutheran hymn. While chorale cantatas may be found elsewhere in Bach's oeuvre, his second annual cycle in Leipzig, namely his project to compose a cantata for each occasion of the liturgical year, beginning with the first Sunday after Trinity of 1724, consists mainly of chorale cantatas; consequently this cycle, "the largest musical project that the composer ever undertook", has given rise to the term the "chorale cantata year"."

and your questions

"is the 1724/5 cycle wholly and exclusively of chorale cantatas or just predominantly? The Grove didn't help much there: "the second cycle, dating from 1724-5, consists mainly of a series of fresh composed chorale cantatas" - are the remainder not chorale or not fresh?"

Bach set out (!) to write exclusively chorale cantatas in the second annual cycle, 1724/25. He did not succeed, but wrote the last "fresh" one for 25 March = Visitation = Palm Sunday that year (1725). He used a former one, BWV 4, for Easter 1725. He composed others for the "missing occasions" later, eager to "complete" the "cycle". Your turn to word it ;) Putting it simply: the 1724/25 cycle is not identical to the second annual cycle. (To make things more complicated, Bach designated a few of the fresh ones after Easter 1725 to his second cycle, without being "chorale" in the strict sense of being based on a hymn, but at least beginning with a chorale fantasia, BWV 128 and BWV 68. I gave up trying to include those also, seemed confusing. But you are welcome to do so.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification - makes perfect sense to me (at least on second reading!), so perhaps there is no discrepancy as it stands; the lead works much better with your tidying, so if you're now happy I am, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Happy: I expanded another cantata, BWV 24, and content you supported is going to be shown prominently? - Did you know that you are an awesome Wikipedian (14 April 2012)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Odai Yamamoto I site

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DYK for Yawata Steel Works

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DYK for Sakishima Beacons

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DYK for Chashi

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Removing tags at Yanun

Hello You marked you edit minor, but what you did was not minor edit please don't do it again--Shrike (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC) Moreover the tag says "Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved" the dispute wasn't resolved as evident from talk page.Please restore it.Thank you.--Shrike (talk) 04:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Vaffanculo; bile ≠ disputatio; enough waspish gaming, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wildlife Protection Areas in Japan

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DYK nomination of Ichirizuka

Hello! Your submission of Ichirizuka at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 07:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Laura, will reply at the template, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

A Star of Barn, I mean a Glass of Beer, for your wonderful upgrading of Egg-and-spoon race. Thank you for making Wikipedia a better and more summery place. Cheers! Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Most refreshing and welcome - thanks! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Egg-and-spoon

Just a quick issue, feel free to disagree with me over the placement, it's just something to consider, before I give you the green check mark. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:25, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, will reply over at the template, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Finger citations

Replied on my talk page (where you are most welcome), but wanted to check back. Just glancing at Finger (gesture), the article seems to support its claims about antiquity with journalistic sources that don't meet the requirement for RS (specifically, Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is the best such source for that context). These may be perfectly reliable for other topics, but not the scholarly field of classical antiquity. It can sometimes be a battle to convince other editors of that: I was once called an elitist snob for insisting that a survey textbook on nutrition wasn't a reliable source on ancient Roman dining habits, and that I knew of no specialist or primary sources that could support the claim being made. The other editor seemed to feel that since somebody said it in print, the absence of this supposed fact in books on the dining habits of ancient Romans was no argument against including it. Eventually I did find a popularizing RS that debunked the misconception explicitly.

Also, the Finger article seems to mishandle its chronology in the intro when it says "The gesture dates back to Ancient Rome, and was also used in Ancient Greece." If the gesture is indicated by Aristophanes, it would be extremely unlikely that any evidence from Rome was older (all the evidence I'm aware of seems to be post-Augustan); therefore, the gesture dates back to ancient Greece, and also occurs in ancient Rome, where the digitus medius is also known as impudicus and infamis. You might drop a note at the Classical Greece & Rome project, as somebody might know where to look for the Tacitus ref. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Not quite sure where to answer, so I'll just let this dangle below our Empress. I've searched Tacitus, and quite thoroughly, but in vain. My sources and notes on gladiators yield nothing at all on any hand/finger gesture as a impudent, memorable riposte to that vexed pollex verso. Not for any occasion, or any emperor. Of course, I'm not an authority on the topic - and I'd love to be wrong, because it makes an excellent story - but I suspect a hefty case of "groin weights" here; a fictional embellishment of the standard appeal for missio, the raised index finger (ad digitum) attested on murals, mosaics and gladiatory whatnots. In any event, I agree entirely with Cyn: we should use only reliable scholarly sources for all this, or lose it. Haploidavey (talk) 18:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Marvellous/pity/I'm sure you're right; thanks a lot, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Pindar's First Olympian Ode

First, apologies: this didn't make it into the special holding area as it ought, and as a result it almost made it to the front page. (I think I misread August for July, thought it was a couple of days too late for July 12, so I felt free to promoted it when I had use for it and its picture.)

Second, there's an issue with the picture of the phorminx: see WT:DYK#File:939b2.jpg for the details. There will now be more time to see whether the image is indeed properly licensed.

Third, should we move the file into the special occasion holding area now? Without the picture, this is ready to go; it's only the picture that might hold it back. At this point, it probably makes sense to move it, with the understanding that if the image cannot be fully verified, it can just be removed by early August and the hook promoted without it. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries and now all dealt with - but thanks, as also for all your work making sure everything runs smoothly and a merry atmosphere conducive to editing and contributing is maintained over at DYK, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ali Abu Awwad

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Thanks

That was very nice, and generous of you. If it gets to DYK, I can use it in defence of my utility to wikipedia when the next request for my being permabanned comes up! I wrote it quite casually on spotting him yesterday morning, once again (after the Harper's article) in Shulman's NYRB review of Peter Beinart's recent book. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly! Impressed by what I saw over at the Murasaki Shikibu talk page, I stumbled upon your nefarious past - and took the liberty of adding your user page to my watchlist (can unstalk whenever) so as to be forewarned; thought I'd keep my distance, but blew my cover on the ridiculus mus. Re generosity, thought the whole premise of Mauss was that everyone's looking for something in return (plus I may end up with a dyk credit... don't know, haven't nominated before); as for the bigger issues, know little of the subject other gleanings from Benvenisti's Sacred Landscape and Knowledge is the Beginning, a documentary about the West-Eastern Divan they showed at the Proms a few years back; your new page seemed to address the key issues, like listening to the other side, and seemed suitably hooky for dyk. Anyway, hope not to have to crawl out of the woodwork again; your self blocks for violating Wikipedia:Image recreation requests are kind-of hilarious, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you mentioned Mauss, the unridiculous one if we pronounce it in German rather than frog morse-code. That essay on Le Don (which I learnt in 1971 when I first read it was not about Bradman, but my grief rapidly morphed into euphoria. It explains almost everything in society, except for the logic of contributing to wikipedia, which he could not imagine at the time. I had to reread it, by coincidence, a month ago after a request by a friend for enlightenment, since it touches on the theme of a book he's writing. And yes I heard Barenboim's concert on the 11th, a few days ago. Extraordinary bloke, and one of two people I know who has a Palestinian passport. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Nearly had me stumped; you crease me up, but my Muse is anorexic and it would need something truly bradical to bowl you a googly; as I was saying, if at some point you're ensnared perhaps I could sock with a toponym from the Chanson de Roland and try to fend off the dogs of war; sadly I missed the concert for the pope, but I have clear memories of an empassioned performance on the South Bank and his commitment is impressive; one the most arresting scenes in that film is when he calmly reads out a passage from the Israeli Declaration of Independence, to hissing and a seemingly unimpressed Limor Livnat, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)