PajaBG

OK, here it is...just in case someone has something to say to me :o)

Jerma/Erma

Hi! I saw your great contributions to the Nišava article. I've had the wish to start an article on the Jerma (Erma in Bulgarian) since quite a long time, but I can only find information about the Bulgarian section (and quite scarce actually), so I was wondering if you'd be willing to help. Greetings from Bulgaria :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Здраво Тодоре :o) Thanks. I planned to start Jerma article too, but it's still low on my list. I started this page Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro so I am adding and filling data coming from the top...I also expanded the Timok today and I am at the Bosut right now. But sure, I will add Jerma with what I got, and you feel free to add anything you have and correct everything you think is bad. I would also like to ask you few question cause I'm new at this and I really don't have nerves to read all the 'How to' pages here. How can I change title of the article and can I also write my nick in Cyrillic? Thanks in advance and take care. Dragan PajaBG 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Great! So we'll be collaborating pretty soon then. As for changing titles, this is done by moving the page to a new title with the "move" button up there, right of the "history" one above the article text. I think Cyrillic is not permitted for the username itself, but you can sign with a name in Cyrillic — type something in the spirit of [[User:PajaBG|Драган]] to make a redirect to your userpage while having your name displayed the way you like it. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, welcome to Wikipedia and don't hesitate do ask me when you're not sure how to do this or that, I'd be happy to help. And don't forget to be bold! :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it went well indeed! Well, transliterating Bulgarian Cyrillic into Latin is quite an issue, as we don't have a Bulgarian Latin alphabet. The system that Serbian uses was used in Bulgaria officially before and still can be seen, but recently the one we use in Wikipedia was made somewhat official and is the one I usually rely. I've added the Bulgarian Cyrillic names. Hope we'll work together on other articles in the future too! → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Visočica is the same as in Serbian in Cyrillic (i.e. Височица) and is transliterated as Visochitsa from Bulgarian. Dragovištica is Драговищица in Bulgarian Cyrillic and is transliterated as Dragovishtitsa. I'd be happy to have a look at the articles when you write them. There's some info about the two rivers in the Bulgarian Wikipedia you might want to check out (although it's not much and your sources certainly have more detailed info, but anyway) — bg:Драговищица (река) and a few references about the river in bg:Висок (котловина). → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing happens to [[:bg:interwikis]] and standard [[wikilinks]]. The page's former title becomes a redirect and the pages that used to redirect to the old title keep doing it, so they don't automatically lead you to the new title. This has to be fixed by changing the redirects to point to the new location. Знам малко сръбски, македонски по-добре, но всичко разбирам ;) Пиши както ти е удобно, няма проблем. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 08:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

All right, so I've done a little copyediting on the article and replaced the Serbian (or only added the Bulgarian when the objects are shared) Latin with Bulgarian transliteration. Are Gola Glava and Bratkova Strana only in Serbia or border peaks like Midžor/Midzhur and Vražija Glava/Vrazha glava? If they are, we should note the second word is written in small caps (i.e. Gola glava, Bratkova strana) in Bulgarian. How come you've listened to Azis and other chalga singers? Turbo-folk is quite popular here, but I didn't think the reverse was possible. Anyway, not that I like these styles :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 09:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about the Serbian Latin, transliterating Bulgarian is a little complicated and you can count on me for doing it. As for the small/large caps of common nouns in names of objects, this has become an issue of its own actually, as many Bulgarian names are also capped like in English and different from Bulgarian when used here. It indeed is bad to use dual names for links, but mentioning an alternative name in text (when we also mention the Cyrillic) is OK.

"It's" is a contraction of "it is" and "its" means "njegov". They are not a version of one other, but different things that have different uses. Some people prefer linking years, other do not — it's a matter of one's own style. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 08:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually you'd better create a Category:Rivers of Serbia (and add Category:Rivers of Europe, Category:Geography of Serbia and Category:Rivers by country to the page), as well as substitute the Category:Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro part with only Serbia on all relevant pages. In other words — move the articles to a different category and request the deletion of Category:Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. But I'd also suggest that you wait until the necessary legislation has been introduced and Montenegro is officially independent, probably in a couple of days. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 17:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Western Outlands

Хехе, извини :) Кад сам видео какви су коментари брисани и да је то учинио ПајаБГ помислио да је се неки Бугар одлучио на то. No problem sada... --estavisti 19:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Geografija

Što se tiče geografije Vojvodine, uglavnom znam ono što imam u geografskom atlasu. :) Ne znam stvarno koliko je dugačka reka Kereš, probaj to naći na google search. Što se tiče toga da li su ovi kanali delovi DTD sistema, ne znam da li je to tačno. Ja sam ih prvo tu napisao kao posebne kanale i onda ih je drugi korisnik napisao kao delove DTD. Pošto ne znam šta je tačno ostavio sam tako. Ako misliš da nisu deo DTD, slobodno promeni to. PANONIAN (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, imam samo jednu sugestiju: ako budeš dopunjavao članak Geography of Vojvodina, zamolio bih te da ne pretvoriš te spiskove u tekst. Spiskovi reka, regiona, planina, itd, daju preglednost članku, i moja sugestija je da te spiskove ostaviš, a da tekst (koji ćeš eventualno ubaciti) staviš paralelno sa spiskovima. Znači, članak bi po meni trebalo da sadrži i spiskove i tekst. PANONIAN (talk) 00:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Naming of the "Suburbs of Belgrade" category

I understand that the category is not well named, but what do you propose it is renamed to? "Neighborhoods of Belgrade"? Well, before your reply I will rename it to that anyway... seeing as it would be consistent with the naming of the "List of Belgrade neighborhoods" article - whose naming I assume you agree with. Lepi covik 06:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Just an additional note... I have begun a transition from the previous category Category:Suburbs of Belgrade to the new category Category:Neighborhoods of Belgrade ... I have not completed it and will not be completing the transition -- it is too much of a job. If you do not agree with the category's naming, then I suggest that you invent suitable categories and lead the categorization on the correct track... Lepi covik

Highest point of Serbia

Hey Paja, what's the highest point of Serbia (counting Vojvodina but not Montenegro)? Is it in Kosovo? And if it is, is the highest point of Serbia excluding Kosovo Midžor (2,169 m) on the border with Bulgaria? Todor Bozhinov  → 09:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, Kosovo is such a complex issue, who knows what would happen. I know Serbia proper and Vojvodina are relatively flat, while Kosovo and Montenegro are mountainous regions, so I was curious. Then Triglav in Slovenia was the highest peak of the former Yugoslavia, right? Todor Bozhinov  → 13:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Drina

Hi! I've done the copyedit. You might want to check out the {{Infobox River}} template, it's very useful. Also, make sure you divide the article into sections and subsections so that it is easier to read and find the content you're interested in. Otherwise you're doing it fine, the article has become quite comprehensive and thorough. Also, you may like to check somewhere if the verb "carved" is really used for a gorge and if "the river is flooded" is a nice way to say an artificial lake is located there on its course – I'm also not a native speaker of English and I've left the phrases this way, but they don't sound natural to me too. Your other problems are the definitive article (that's most likely because you don't have one in Serbian) and that "its"/"its" confusion, but these are minor things to worry about, as there are enough people to copyedit what you write here. Don't hesitate to ask me if you need some other help with checking articles!

Umm, by the way, is there any difference in the meaning of "ćuprija" and "most" in Serbian? We in Bulgaria only use "most" and our version of "ćuprija" (кюприя, should be kjuprija in Serbian Latin) is an archaic Turkish-origin word that could only be found in occasional toponyms and regional speech, so I'm curious because I have a general interest in linguistics and especially South Slavic languages. Todor Bozhinov  → 09:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It seems like it's going the way most loanwords from Ottoman Turkish go — theyr'e slowly but constantly dropping out of use. Todor Bozhinov  → 15:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I've replied at the talk page. I hope the user would suggest some ways we could improve the article in terms of style and would be more clear with expressing his concerns. Todor Bozhinov  → 10:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Beograd

Umm, a vertical list would really be a bad idea, so it was a good decision to look for other ways. The way it's done on List of cities in Bulgaria#Ordered alphabetically may be the most suitable one for your list too. You simply have to decide when you'd like a new column and put "|" :) Hope it would work well in your case! Todor Bozhinov  → 13:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Dragovishtitsa

I've checked it out — it's another great contribution to a topic that lacks good coverage on Wikipedia! There's only one thing that bothers me, why is Macedonia listed as a basin country? The river doesn't flow through Macedonia, but flows farily close to the border, does it receive any tributaries from there? Todor→Bozhinov 14:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

No, leave it like that, I was just curious :) I rely only on a not really detailed school relief map of Bulgaria that shows the Dragovishtitsa (but not its name), and not any of its tributaries, so I had to ask. Thanks for the info! Todor→Bozhinov 17:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

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Always fill in the summary field as it makes it easier for you and your fellow contributors to understand what has changed, and is helpful when going through the history of the page. This is considered an important guideline. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky or worse, being a vandal. --Hetar 23:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Rivers of Serbia

Ubacio sam članak Rivers of Serbia na Serbia template. Lako je ubaciti nov članak. Samo edituješ template i dodaš šta želiš. PANONIAN (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Bojana River

Hi! Happy to hear from you again! Regarding the article, it looks like some Albanian guy made a copy of an existing article using the content from Bojana River, but instead he chose the title Buna/Bojana River. This is very bad and should be avoided — he's made a complete mess indeed. I'm not sure if the talk's edit history could be preserved (but I doubt it), so I think you should copy the text from Talk:Buna/Bojana River and paste it to Talk:Bojana River (minding the date of each post) and then redirect Talk:Buna/Bojana River to where it is supposed to be. That's what Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages seems to suggest. Todor→Bozhinov 15:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Palilula

Molim te pogledaj ovo: Palilula Belgrade. Ubacio sam novi odeljak o gradskim četvrtima tu, ali nisam znao za svaku četvrt na kojoj se strani Dunava nalazi. Možeš li to pogledati i proveriti za svako naselje i gradsku četvrt da li je napisano na pravoj strani Dunava? PANONIAN (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

U stvari treba samo da proveriš odeljak "Neighborhoods on the right bank of the Danube", jer sam ostale ja proverio, međutim, nisam siguran da li se svi iz ovog odeljka nalaze na desnoj obali Dunava ili je koji od ovih i na levoj. PANONIAN (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Slike

E, mislim da bi u članke o kvartovima Beograda trebalo staviti i fotografije. Na Vikipediji ima nekih slika Beograda, ali pošto ja ne znam tačno koja slika pokazuje koji kvart, predložio bih ti da malo pogledaš te slike pa da ih ubaciš u odgovarajuće članke o kvartovima. Na primer ako na Vikipediji postoji neka slika Bežanije mogla bi da se ubaci u taj članak, itd. PANONIAN (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pa da bi našao slike Beograda na Vikipediji, onda pored članka o Beogradu možeš da ih nađeš i u drugim člancima vezanim za Beograd, na primer Belgrade Arena, Sava Center, itd. Tu takođe ima slika Beograda. Do tih članaka možeš doći ili iz glavnog članka o Beogradu, ili iz kategorije Beograd. Nema drugog načina za pretraživanje slika. PANONIAN (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Better late than never; welcome!

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Blokovi

(u vezi sa tvojim komentarom na [1])

Izvinjavam se za nepazljivi revert, nisam ugledao te dodatne linkove. Razlog reverta je bio izbacivanje blokova 61-64 iz ovog clanka na osnovu tvrdnje da oni geografski pripadaju Bezaniji. Ta tvrdnja ne moze se zasnivati na cinjenicama, jer blokovi kao geografska celina nisu nigde zvanicno utvrdjeni, pa se tako pripadnost (ili nepripadnost) drugoj geografskoj celini (poput Bezanije) ne moze smatrati za causu kada je u pitanju veza sa nekom drugom odrednicom. Primera radi, to sto je neko u Bezaniji, ne znaci da nije i u Beogradu.

U tom smislu, ne mogu da prihvatim tvrdnju da blokovi 61-64 nisu blokovi, vec deo jedne ruralne sredine. Valjda se pripadnost neformalnim celinama poput ove odredjuje obicajima, navikama i praksom (npr. kada ljudi iz bloka 61 govore kako 'zive u blokovima' itd.), pa se stoga protivim izostavljanju ovih blokova iz clanka o blokovima, a posebno izbacivanju vec postojecih odrednica o njima. Radicu na prosirenju clanka ovih dana, nadam se, uz pomoc ostalih clanova zajednice koji ce prihvatiti ovu argumentaciju. Pozdrav, Meelosh 08:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

To je potpuno u redu. Nisam siguran ima li posebnog smisla deliti blokove na "savske" i "bezanijske", ali OK, nemam nista protiv ni te odrednice. Gledacu da napravim jednu malu mapu gde ce biti oznaceni blokovi, pa bih mogao da razlicitim bojama obelezim ove dve kategorije? A da li je Bezanija selo... pa sta znam, mene ona Vojvodjanska ulica neodoljivo podseca na neko prilicno neuredjeno vojvodjansko selo :) Ima one kanale, male kuce, domace zivotinje, sve sto treba... Pozdrav, Meelosh 13:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

Dodao bih i da članak o Bežaniji ne govori o blokovima 61-64 kao o svom sastavnom delu. Naprotiv, mislim da (bez ozbira na očigledno zastarele geografske odrednice) ovi blokovi imaju mnogo više zajedničkog sa savskim blokovima i pripadaju sa njima u zajedničkoj celini, nego što imaju sa današnjom Bežanijom - selu podno onog brda, Bežanijskoj kosi i fabrici IMT. Meelosh 13:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

Senjak belonging to "Topcidersko Brdo" municipality until 1957?

Could you please clarify your addition to the article Senjak on the 30th of December, stating that Senjak belonged to a "Topcidersko Brdo" municipality until 1957. This is quite unclear -- there doesn't seem to be such a municipality at present, and if you meant something else by the statement then this to me seems unobvious. I personally do not know much about Serbian geography and am thus unable to correctly judge. —Pametni 02:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I have created an article on Topčidersko Brdo. I am just telling you as you may wish to expand on it =). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pametni (talk • contribs) 05:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Re: Nova Naselja

Pajo slobodno zapocni clanak o univerzitetskom selu. Ako budem imao nekih informacija dodacu. Nazalost nista ne znam o ostrvu Caplja. Pozdrav.— Preceding unsigned comment added by LukaP (talk • contribs)

Dorcol

Lepo prosirenje clanka, ja sam planirao da to uradim u buducnosti kada malo skupim podataka, ali vidim da vise nema potrebe:)Pozdrav i sve najbolje, Velimir85 19:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Pa videcu za podatke, sad mi to nije prioritet jer uglavnom radim druge stvari na sr wiki. A za slike vazi, islikacu neke bitne stvari kad budem stigao. Jesam Dorcolac, zivim u Jevremovoj...poz i sve najbolje, Velimir85 23:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Gornji Dorcol je od Dusanove do Studentskog parka, a donji od Dusanove nadole...Velimir85 15:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello from California

I see that you are interested in Geography as well. Thanks for the kind message. I don't understand why people want to delete real places but need to keep every character or place in some fictitious universe like Pokemon or Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Star Trek. It's like the real world isn't important and only television is. Carlossuarez46 16:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Good work :)

Saw your edits to the Višnjica article - excellent! I actually visited Beograd a few years ago on my world travels and loved the place. Orderinchaos78 13:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I argued purely on merit. If you look around you'll find the Australian contingent here end up spending a fair bit of time at AfD defending what we perceive to be ill-considered (although good faith) nominations, although for a while now we haven't had anything major happen. The most recent spate involved large shopping centres in Sydney. And yeah, a Serbian guy I know here in Perth (from Kruševac in the south) insisted I should go there as my trip was taking me so close as it was - Vienna and Istanbul were already confirmed destinations. I'm glad I did - I intend to be back one day, and hopefully see some of the rest of the country while I'm there. Orderinchaos78 22:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great! Thank you - and same for if you're ever in this part of the world. Orderinchaos78 21:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Romska naselja u Beogradu

Počeo sam članak o romskim naseljima, pa bih te samo zamolio da dodaš u taj spisak i imena drugih romskih naselja na području Beograda ako ih znaš: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roma_settlements#Serbia PANONIAN (talk) 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Crveni Krst (Belgrade)

On 29 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Crveni Krst (Belgrade), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Ime reke

Vidi ovo: Talk:Körös-ér. Najbolji način na koji možemo odrediti na kom će jeziku naziv članka o rekama biti napisan je da vidimo koliko km koja reka teče kroz koju državu. Međutim, po podacima iz ovog članka, reka jednako teče kroz Srbiju i Mađarsku i stvarno ne znam šta bi se moglo uraditi sa imenom u tom slučaju. Moramo imati neki kriterijum po kom ćemo odrediti koje je od dva imena prikladnije, a ne da imamo članak kome će svako moći da menja ime u ono koje se njemu više sviđa. Dakle, hteo sam da te pitam da li imaš detaljnije podatke o dužini toka ove reke u dve države jer ne verujem da se cifre baš 100% podudaraju. Ako je u jednoj od dve države tok reke duži makar za 100 metara nego u drugoj, onda treba koristiti ime na tom jeziku za članak. PANONIAN 04:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Belgrade Fair

I notice that you are the one who included the reference to the Belgrade Fair in the article on Senjak. What exactly is the Belgrade Fair? Is it a suburb or just a particular region? Is it notable to have its own article? I am simply curious and wish to document it if it's notable. If you wish to create the article yourself, please do so. –Beogradjanin25644778 10:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

New article created: Belgrade Fair. Feel free to contribute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LepiCovek256 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Voždovac

I added a note about the Voždovac article. Please take a look at it. Thank you. Wanderer57 17:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Istog

Please stop reverting the edits to Istog ( Name ) because my version shows both ( albanian and serbian) versions of the origin of the name --Bindicapriqi (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it is better to show both versions because it is not "defenitly sure" wich version is true --Bindicapriqi (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

If you continue to remove the albanian version of the etymology I will have to ask an administrator to intervene--B.C. 17:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Istok

You are currently involved in an edit war at the above article. Consider this a final warning: if you attempt to use reverting to force through your change, you will be blocked from editing, to prevent further damage.

It is essential you sit down and discuss the differences you have with the content of an article and other editors, rather than revert war. Open up a discussion on Talk:Istok, invite other editors involved in the dispute, and talk about what you are disagreeing over. If that doesn't work, come back to me, and I will assist you in seeking dispute resolution.

Once again, refrain from edit warring at all times: discuss with the other editors!
Anthøny 22:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

On moving a page (Istok)

Hello, PajaBG :-) It appears that you copied and pasted Burim to Istok. I imagine the circumstances in which you did it, and I have already fixed the problem :-) However, please do not move articles (or its talk pages) by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, please be patient and follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you already.

Don't hesitate to ask me any question on this issue or any other. To keep discussions coherent, I would appreciate if you could post any answer here, in your talk page, please. I will see your post :-) - Best regards, Ev (talk) 22:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. If you understand the circumstances, good, cause I don't have a clue what I have done :o) I don't use copy/paste for editing (but I do copy some texts from Wikipedia onto my PC) and rarely (and not for a long time) move pages. I was editing several pages at the same time (and it was late), so it is possible I mixed up something. I try to spend as little time as possible here so doing lots of stuff at once. I appologize if I disturbed something in the process. I do have a question though: can you recommend someone who is doing copyedits? I'd like to work with someone whose native language is English to copyedit and check new articles when I post them. Thanks in advance 16:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The moves of Istok —m—> Istog —m—> Burim —c/p—> Istok happened in early January, when Bindicapriqi was moving all Kosovo towns to their Albanian names. Bolonium and Thucydides of Thrace begun reverting the moves, and in the middle of all that back-and-forth you copied and pasted the text from Burim (or from your PC) back to it's original place, Istok (which left the article's history at Burim). It may well have been a simple mistake, and it's already fixed, don't worry about it :-)

On the second issue, I'm afraid I don't know anyone doing copyedits (and my own English is not that good). I could only recommend you to contact the League of Copyeditors, or one of its members.

I'm not familiar with their work, but since one of their criteria to accept a request is that "the article must comply with the major stylistic requirements of the manual of style and the stylistic requirements of appropriate WikiProjects", it doesn't feel very encouraging :-)

Nevertheless, you loose nothing by asking or trying, and in the worst case they are more likely to know an editor willing to work with you on this. Good luck! - Best regards, Ev (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right. They don't really look...well, friendly :) I think I'll wait for someone else, but thanks anyway PajaBG (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Zeleni Venac

Source for that information you gave as a link added to references. --Avala (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Park Republika Srpska

Hi there, nice work on this article. I did some slight amendments, including adding location co-ordinates. Is the park where I've worked it out to be? [2] The second reference said between Gazela Bridge and the Old Railway Bridge, but looking on Google Earth that seems wrong.  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 20:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree: I think the reference was wrong; or like you say, I suspect the slum will soon be gone. I would like to assist you: I'm particularly interested in Geography, and also the countries of Europe in general, so working on Serbian articles would be good. It's always nice to have a go at articles you don't necessarily know a lot about and participate in improving them, as it's a good way to learn both about Wikipedia and the subject itself. Feel free to message me if you need any assistance! Kind regards  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 21:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I will take a look at those pages soon. If you need to e-mail me, please click here  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 19:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hi there, I managed to check through those articles you asked me to, although Zasavica I only really looked at the units and numbers.  — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 14:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hi,

Re. the article you recently created, it all looks great, so just a small comment;

References to books in other languages should clearly state the language they are in. In this case, I think ref 1 is in Serbo-Croatian - sorry if this is wrong.

Also, the ISBN can be included in the reference.

I entered |isbn=8601026516|language=Serbo-Croatian}}.

You can see my changes here.

(Any comments/questions, please ask me on my own talk page, thanks)

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Please see my recent comment at User_talk:Chzz#All. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding help for the sub page, thanks for the thanks, that's always nice! You're welcome. Nortonius (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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Pozdrav! Nice, and of course thanks for the contribution. It isn't "my" article, I just wanted to refine it - as you did. Especially thanks for refining of what the administrators like or not. I don't know most of the time. Honestly, I write what I would write in my own book. I hope your numbers are more precisely accurate. But I must tell you that Vode Vojvodine (as are most of the authors considered "official") are mistaken. Even in the reference pages you added they give some inaccurate data, no matter if it is considered "official" (e.g. they say that Mostonga springs in Serbia, no need to read more... also they view that Kireš gets water from Palić lake as well as from Ludoš, but it is only the view of some hydrologists). I must also remind you that Vode Vojvodine is a governmental concern, not a scientific source.
As for the name, as I described in the article, there is no traditionally original Serbian name for this river but the Serbian name is a derivative of the Hungarian one (I cited a source dating back to the 17th Century). As a Hungarian who is fluent in Serbian language (native in both languages since childhood) I think – for your convenience, I leave this to be my personal view – Kireš is a better transcript of Körös, which (I also explained) by the way is Kőrös in this side of the border. That is how local Hungarians call it, no exception, and it flows through areas inhabited by them mostly, so why not call the river by its' real name? It is considered a bit of difference in the Hungarian language, and its literacy usually respects this dialectical difference. In scientific literature, also is acceptable to use the local name, even if the "official" is different in the annals of the governmental institutions, that many times really don't even care for these details, and not rarely cite literature wrongly. In this respect, the article title is wrong already, and as somebody noted that it could have been titled Serbian, why would the Hungarian name have precedence. Well, its a border river...
But there's more: for avoiding confusion with the many "Kerešs" (Körösök) in Hungary this local name that the Serbs use here in Subotica is much more convenient than Kereš, which is used for the complex of at least 5 rivers in East Hungary and Romania already. This is true even if Kereš is printed onto military topographic maps as the name, because authors of these were ignorant of language rules as well (I can write you scores about the process of making up those toponymes you find on maps if you want, but let's just say I wouldn't trust them if I was you, as maps are not an ultimate scientific source either). So I will still check how to less painfully implement the real local name in the article, to place it between the Hungarian and Serbian "official" names. I hope no offense for my comments :-)–Jozefsu (talk) 21:31, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes Serbian would be MUCH easier. Interesting question for Mostonga, I am looking at map right now. The rivers of Bačka are important to me, because there is only 6 of them (Plazovic, Mostonga, Krivaja, Keres, Ciker and Jegricka). To me they are rivers (because they were that in past before they were destroyed by the modern hidrology), to others they are not, just channels. So it is relative what is most important to an encyclopedia. To me the best encyclopedia is the one that has ALL the subjects, important or not. Most of the Backa rivers don't have a spring place, but are gathered about in the depressions and walleys of the loess plateau. The Mostonga springs around Stanišić and passes north of Sombor. South of that it crosses the Great Channel or rather the Channel cut it when it was made in the 19th Century. I see that the article doesn't state the exact location, as it cannot be traced down today. I would tend to say that it springs in Hungarian side of the border near Đerđpusta. Moram da idem, lakse mi je na srpskom :) Ali je to zanemarljiv detalj, čak ni na mađarskoj Vikipediji neće biti takvog pominjanja. It is open for discussion. I believe in science, this is something for the science of geography, and history to decide.

You must also understand my comments - also the ones concerning Vode Vojvodine - in behalf of the bilogist/ecologist community in that light that partially it is my subject of study. I am studying nature of Vojvodina for more than two deccade by now (I joined Wikipedia 2 years ago did some projects and since that time concentrate on the articles about nature). Since the nature of Bačka is devastated to the highest extent (and it is a process still going on) my approach is a bit different, and in depth.-Jozefsu (talk) 17:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Great work for the rivers! No wonder nobody contributed much to it. As for Mostonga, it is visible, on some maps. I will cut out for you the portion of topographic map where it could be traced down. Of course, the map reflects some old state. I assume there is nothing visible today on the ground there (one day I will visit that borderline to check). This is why it may be irrelevant. I may add some references to the articles, if and when I will have time and if I find good ones.-Jozefsu (talk) 07:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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1. You're copying material from other articles without attribution, which is a copyright violation. If you need to do this, you must do this with edits copying only that material and with an edit summary with a link to where you copied it from. Obviously don't copy anything with a citation needed tag, and remember that you are taking responsibility for the references.

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Hi, thanks for the tips. But I have some questions and remarks:

1. I don’t understand what exactly am I suppose to do here. To attribute what to what? I have done what I have already done dozens and dozens of times before and what others have done with the content I have added, even using it in other Wikipedias. I used the part of the content, and its reference, and added it to some other article which has connections with the subject. How is that a copyright violation? Whose copyright is being violated? Except for a few lines, all other content I added to Singidunum from other articles was also added by me. I am not using the article as a source, but the reference from it. Same reference is not allowed in two articles? I really don’t understand what I should do. The way I got it, I am suppose to use the content but to place links in one article pointing to some other article on Wikipedia? I hope I am not getting this right, cause it is an utter nonsense, plus it just complicates already time consuming process of adding the new stuff.

2. Well, not really…out of three references, only one is shortened. Additional, fourth source is just listed under Sources. But if that’s what is a must, OK, even though it also complicates and further slows down the process. It gives an appearance of a scientific paper, so I understand.

3. I am aware of the inadequacies of the forums as sources, however, the parts I used are not discussions by forum members but reprinted articles and texts from books and other works. Though I understand the point, I don’t necessary endorse the “archaeologists on archaeology only” rule. I believe that newspaper articles, which are sort of interviews with the archaeologists and summarization of those conversations, are not bad sources, especially when there aren't any better at hand. After all, Wikipedia is not, nor it will ever be as long as it is open for everyone to edit it, a textbook on archaeology, or any other -ology or, for that matter, any other subject of any kind. It is structured as a popular, not scientific encyclopedia.

Don’t get me wrong. I have no intention of pushing my edits, engaging into edit war, attack the rules defended by administrators who can enforce them, to argue and fight…I have to stress that, because modern online and social media conversation type is cramped and a primitive one, a step back in the development of the personal communication and wrong impressions are frequent. I am just saying what I think. Still, even though I don’t want to waste time and energy fighting the rigid rules (or rigid enforcement of them) on an open encyclopedia, and a fact that your approach was quite civil, I have to say that I just don’t understand that urge to simply delete everything. Maybe you are not aware of the effect, but it is like this: someone made an effort and spent time to collect, translate, adapt and add some data, and you just delete it saying: your commas are not curved enough. You don’t do that, you don’t just wipe out everything because of the technicality. If someone adds data in a technically bad manner in articles which I am interested in, I fix that. I correct the language to make it less bad (as English is not my mother tongue either), I adjust it to the rest of the article, fix referencing, whatever it needs. I don’t delete it and say to that someone: sit down and do it again! This way, you treated me like a vandal, as if I wrote that Singidunum was an intergalactic wormhole station built by the alien astronauts from parallel universe’s Andromeda. With a help from Wonder Woman and Mighty Mouse. And even you remarked that material looks very useful. I believe that article looked better after my edit and that there was really no need to delete everything. Having good data which is eluding the technical austerity is better than not having it at all. Cheers. PajaBG (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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for your post. Well, Kljakic did apparently edit the material, but his byline definitively pertains only to the accompanying small pieces that are actually based on other sources (some of them being quite fishy, such as ″Ratlines: How the Vatican's Nazi Networks Betrayed Western Intelligence to the Soviets″ by by Mark Aarons and‎ John Loftus), whereas the texts on Russian diaspora in Yugo expressly refer to ″izvorni dokument″ (the wording of attribution vary a little from one number to another, but mainly in length only). I may have a different print edition of Politika (i bought it outside RS, dated 11 Jan), but the one I have has no page number on the relevant page, but the overleaf (the following page) is numbered as 26. Thanks again. Regards.Axxxion (talk) 20:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hi! I have noticed your recent edits. Please, bear in my mind that "city municipality" is grammatically incorrect. For (in Serbian) "gradska opština [grada XXX]" use "urban municipality" and for "prigradska opština [grada XXX]" use "suburban municipality". Actually, the term "city municipality" was created by me couple years ago before someone pointed to me that it is incorrect - which it really is. For any questions, use my talk page. Bye!--AirWolf ^talk 13:43, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

You don't have to explain to me what these municipalities are. Much of the content about these municipalities on Wikipedia was contributed by myself - e.g. in Administrative divisions of Serbia and Municipalities and cities of Serbia. For your third part of talk, that's what this discussion is all about. These articles that you are speaking of are: City municipality of Požarevac, City municipality of Vranje, City municipality of Novi Sad. As you can see in history, I was the one who made these bad moves and that should be undone by the administrators. Other such urban municipalities are: Urban municipality of Užice, Sevojno, Vranjska Banja, Kostolac, Petrovaradin. For the city of Niš - Medijana, Palilula, Niš, Pantelej, Crveni Krst, Niš and Niška Banja. For the city of Belgrade - Subdivisions of Belgrade - 10 urban municipalities and 7 suburban municipalities. Also, please do not revert edits until we resolve the issue. Otherwise, you'll engage in edit war and administrator's attention would be needed. And lastly, what is your proposal? I definitely won't agree with "city municipality", as that idiom doesn't make any sense.--AirWolf ^talk 14:40, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I am not "afraid of the administrators", it is just that it hasn't crossed my mind to ask them about this issue. Now I did and move is expected to be done in near time.--AirWolf ^talk 16:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I have agreed with your arguments after taking some time to check several references - the city of Belgrade indeed formally does not recognize the administrative differences between the municipalities, except for its specific settlements (as you described in one section of the Subdivisions of Belgrade article). I have made edits to 20+ articles concerning the issue. However, in the future I would like to open or participate in a discussion related to the proper translation of "gradska opština" (in Serbian) and whether it is suitable to be translated as "city municipality". Bye.--AirWolf ^talk 17:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Nope. That would take a lot of time.--AirWolf ^talk 14:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hey man, how are you? I just wanted to ask will you publish your draft on Belgrade's night life anytime soon? It's really something. cheers Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 18:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. Thank you very much for noticing the draft :) True, I have been dragging my feet on this one for way too long, but I just don’t have enough time for current stuff and this one. I will give it a boost, to finish adding the kafanas and then to post it, cause I am getting frustrated a bit for not finishing it for so long. I never planned to do the 21st century section anyway. At least until some good sources come along. PajaBG (talk) 09:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Kopaonik Kopanik ,Kopalnik

Nisi dobro pročitao pre nego sto si napravio izmenu. Jasno je da je Kopaonik ime planine ,s tim sto se u odeljku gde je prvobitno pisalo "Kopalnik" ,a koje sam ja izmenio u "Kopanik" radi o starom nazivu planine. Svi meštani planinskih sela koja se nalaze na Kopaoniku planinu zovu 'Kopanik' nikoko je ne zove Kopaonik i s tim u vezu je izmena ,a i odeljak . Pozdrav ;) PakleniVuk (talk) 22:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Zdravo. U citiranom članku Kopalnik je naveden kao stari, istorijski naziv planine, a ne kao nedavna ili lokalna varijanta izgovora. Mnogi toponimi su u srednjem veku imali imena koja su se raznim glasovnim promenama do danas izmenila: Zemln, Parakin(ov Brod), Hotča, pa i sam Belgrad. Ukoliko imaš izvor koji možeš da citiraš, da lokalno stanovništvo zove planinu varijantom Kopanik, slobodno dodaj. Nemoj da menjaš citirane informacije. PajaBG (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Actually, I was the first who suggested at the talk page to split the doctorate section into the separate article. I am currently working on it, but until it is finished and posted, I will return the content which is being deleted. To wage edit war I need a counter editor, who doesn't exist since it is an obvious bot (in Serbian political and public use of the term - after all, we know that the ruling party has almost 4,000 of registered bots). It is probably the Nth reincarnation of someone given the task to clean Mali's article. Check article's history, it goes for years, a string of "editors" who only whitewashed this specific article, appearing one after another when the previous one gets blocked (currently there are sidekicks Duka Mostrokol, Johnwick555 and Patuljak123, which gives the impression of multiple proper "editors"). PajaBG (talk) 23:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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Zdravo Pajo, I frankly belive that you should revert yourself here [3] per Wikipedia:Criticism. Making a separate article with WP:NPOV in mind (for example. weapons from Krusik and ISIS deal is not NPOV), or adding the material within the existing paragraphs would be okay options. cheers, Sadkσ (talk is cheap)

Pozdrav. Back in 2018 I added info on subsidizing in the business section. An editor reverted it, and since I wanted to waste no time on that, after a short conversation, he said that it is not for any sections, but if I want to ad it, I should do it under the separate, controversy section. I said I will, when I get time. As I was finding sources, the controversial issues were just popping up, so it turned out longer than I thought. I still asked in the edit summary if editors of these airline articles think it is too long and that I am ready to create a new article, Controversy of Air Serbia or something like that. I included Krušik and ISIS paragraph to provide the context for the next one, where the JAT deal is linked with the arms smuggling by Tepić, which is her thesis. As for the NPOV, I am not sure which part you think is not neutral. President Vučić ("the other side") admitted that the weapons were exported to the UAE, saying it is legal and good for us, and also admitted that the company is in very bad shape when visited it at the dawn of the coronavirus outbreak. Americans confirmed that the weapons ended in Yemen, Russians that it ended in Ukraine. Take care. PajaBG (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

The current formulations reads as it was sold to ISIS directly, more context is needed. Try not to sound like our opposition or a critic, but as a neutral reporter who ended up here in Belgrade for some unknown reason and he/she is simply reporting on everything as neutrally as possible (A said this, B said that). That whole paragraph really does not belong to the main article, it is too long, too detailed (I love that most of the time, but not here), and it's WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACK ARTICLES. thank you kindly, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 00:16, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Serbia is not selling weapons to ISIS, I'll make it clearer. As referenced several times, there is no B - Air Serbia/government say nothing, with some rare generalized "it's not true" reactions. It is very due, because the rest of the article is just a brochure, with misleading info on company business. Because that section is undeveloped, this part appears too long. Like I said, I have formed the controversy section as instructed and no one complained (when I added it to the business section, it was deleted right away). At least so far...except you :) I will try to condense it, though, there is room for that, but I won't give up on this one. Like I am willing to give up on your removal of the photos from Savamala article, even though one was made personally by me and was part of the article for several years. I am against cramming photos and maps, left and right, when they disrupt the form of the article, etc., but when there is enough space in the passage, why not. The guideline you cited is a) wrong, because everything is nicer with photos, attracts more readers and printed encyclopedia don't have much of them as they are voluminous to begin with b) it is just that, a guideline, or, as we say "мож да бидне, ал не мора" PajaBG (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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I withdrew the CSD nomination after I found that you took some content from the Siniša Mali article which had been published before the https://pescanik.net/sinisa-mali-phd-thesis-controversy/ page was published. When you create an article as a split from another, it's helpful to note that in the edit summary so other editors will be aware that it isn't brand new content. Schazjmd (talk) 01:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Toruism

Zdravo Pajo, I would like to invite you to take a look at Tourism in Serbia. The IP is adding a bunch of images. I've engaged him/her but I have no big wish of edit-warring. Also, we are missing a lot of text/information about tourism in the country. Would you consider working on that? I've made some tweaks in the past myself. Thank you kindly, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 06:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Sadko:. I checked the article's history, it appears that things calmed for now, as other editors reverted the gallery flooding and even locked the page. As for the article itself, it's basically non-existing, it has no basic skeleton on which the info can be added. I agree it needs to expand, or in this case to start from the scratch basically, but from my point of view it would take too much time to prepare the sources and dig through encyclopedias I have, to envision the structure, to compare it to other similar pages, etc. - I know I am too methodical. But, on the other habd, I really wan't to reduce my time on Wikipedia. However, now that I know the shape of the page, when I come across some partial, suitable sources, I will add them. That way, after a while, the skeleton will be made which would make further expansion easier. PajaBG (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks man. I would definitely like to join in and help once I have more time. cheers, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 15:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Beograd

Poštovanje Pajo. Nadam se da neće biti problema jer ti pišem na srpskom. Pre svega zahvaljujem ti se na neverovatnom doprinosu o Beogradu, koliko vidim apsolutno sve potrebno si napisao, a i redovno ažuriraš. Na Vikipediji na srpskom jeziku prošle godine osnovao sam Vikiprojekat Beograd, a u toku je i Druga akcija pisanja članaka o Beogradu. sr.wiki bila je poprilično slaba sa člancima o prestonici, nije ni sada sjajno ali je bolje. Ako želiš pridruži se projektu, razumeću i ako ne jer koliko vidim ne radiš na srpskoj verziji enciklopedije.

Poštovanje za tvoj rad --MareBG (talk) 21:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@MareBG: Zdravo Mare. U 2020-oj ceo svet ode dođavola, šta je problem malo srpskog :) Fer je da komunikacija bude na engleskom jer je njihova enciklopedija, ali tema ionako nema veze sa ovom verzijom Vikipedije. Hvala na hvali. Što se tiče naše Vikipedije, nije da imam nešto protiv, ali prosto nemam vremena, a i ova engleska mi oduzima mnogo više vremena nego što bih želeo pa i to smanjujem (a toliko imam i na čekanju šta bih još dodao a verovatno neću nikad). Opet, glupo mi je da odbijem. Ako hoćeš, možemo ovako - predloži neki članak, kad budem imao vremena uradiću, pa ćemo da vidimo za sledeći, itd. Stvarno ne mogu da obećam više od toga. Pozdrav i hvala još jednom. PajaBG (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Videh slučajno, nije mi stiglo obaveštenje. Ako želiš potpiši se ovde pa jednog dana ako budeš imao vremena, ima tamo spisak šta fali, šta valja odnosno šta ne. Da ne forsiram, kada i ako bude volje, vremena i ispiracije, nista hitno. Ako ikada bude trebala neka pomoć tu sam, a verujem i kolege sa sr.wiki koje izuzetno cene tvoj rad. Pozdrav! --MareBG (talk) 00:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

: @MareBG: Dogovoreno i hvala puno. Pozdrav. PajaBG (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Serbian literature

Zdravo, I have worked a bit on the Serbian literature page. Please join in if you have the time. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 23:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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Dom Sindikata (EN) – Architecture

Hey PajaBG :) I'm pretty new to this, so I hope I'm doing this right and I'm addressing the rightful author of the following passage. Upon research for my I came across this short note in the Architecture section of the English article on Belgrade's Dom Sindikata:

"The original request by the authorities was for a design of a massive and strong building, fully in the manner of the Social realism, which meant no ornaments on the façade. However, architect Petričić decided to design the new building as an extension of the building of the Retirement Fund of the National Bank of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. This building was designed by Grigorije Samojlov and was finished a couple of months prior to the outbreak of the war in 1941. The building of the Fund was ornamented with grayish-ochre stone slabs, fully designed in the Modernist style. Petričić used the same aesthetics and materials, embedding Dom Sindikata as a filling and a natural extension of the Samojlov's project. Though two separate buildings, in two slightly different styles and from different epochs, from a distance two buildings create an illusion of being just two wings of the same construction."

This extract sparked my interest, specifically the part about Petričić deciding in favor of ornamentation when it was against the original directives. It illustrates how cultural elites may have found ways to bypass the restrictive socialist realism that was imposed by the state at that time. Thus, I kindly want to ask for insight into the source. I am contemplating including the above anecdote into my thesis, and therefore want to evaluate the source. At the end of the passage, you refer to what seems to be some kind of Serbian newspaper (?):

Nenad Novak Stefanović (1 March 2019). "Велика илузија на Тргу Николе Пашића" [Grand illusion on the Nikola Pašić Square]. Politika-Moja kuća (in Serbian). p. 1.

Further research at my end quickly came to an end, as I cannot find the article with my means, nor can I find the above information anywhere else. Please note I am not based anywhere near Belgrad, nor am I in command of the Serbian language. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance and best regards!

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Sretna

Happy New Year Pajo! I wish you and your family good health and great success in your field of work. I hope that we'll have the opportunity to read some more great articles about Belgrade from you in 2021. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 00:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sadko: Thanks, man. Happy New Year to you, too, and my best wishes to you and your family. Be healthy, be smart, and be joyful. PajaBG (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

History

Considering that I recently posted on the thread, I just saw 2 new sections [4] which might be of interest to you, as it's an area which you frequently edit. cheers, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 16:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sadko: Hi. I really don't want to waste time or nerves on this any more than I have to. I hate when I have to engage guys like this, either when the are weasels, or when they are morons. And this is not the only case I am involved at the moment. PajaBG (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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I have recently read Siniša Mali plagiarism scandal, an article you have written and I was impressed. The article definitely meets the criteria for a good article and possibly even a featured article, so I suggest you nominate it. Whether will you nominate it for a good article or a featured article is your choice, I'd suggest you go for a good article first, but as I said choice is yours. Whatever is your decision I believe you should go over the article once before nominating in search of grammatical errors or sentences that might sound biased, considering that the subject is quite controversial. Of course, you should also read Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Good articles for more details, unless you are already familiar with them. OakMapping (talk) 22:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@OakMapping: Hi there. First of all, thank you very much. Second, I know nothing about the nomination processes cause, frankly, I am not much interested into it. I am not a native English speaker, obviously, and I guess the article needs a thorough copy editing by someone who is. After posting it, I myself noticed typos and errors in the text, and came upon some different phrasing and wording I would use now, but this is really not a priority for me at the moment. Focusing on this article to fit the good article requirements would probably take too much time and enlarge the backlog I already have. I just wish to go forward, there is so much stuff. That doesn’t mean I am not interested into improving it or update it. Is there something specifically looking biased you’ve noticed, or was that a general remark regarding good article nomination? Anyway, thank you again and take care. PajaBG (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@PajaBG: Thanks for replying. I understand that you don't want to nominate the article as the process is quite complicated. I have not noticed anything that looked biased to me, I just said that as a possibility because the article is about a controversial subject. OakMapping (talk) 09:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hello Pajo. Pančevački Rit is a small geographical area and Borča, Ovča and Krnjača (Palilula) are part of him. I will send that to KIENGIR. Thank you for message me. Поздрав! --MareBG (talk) 00:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Ма не мучиш таман посла :) Сада видим да сам ти нисам одговорио на главно питање, у том тренутку сам превише посла имао. Aпсолутно не постоји никакво правило које спречава да Панчевачки рит буде у тој категорији. Већи део њега управо припада Београду (Палилули), а као што видиш ту је и Syrmia, много шири појам а кат. као Географија Београда. Вероватно је странца збунило ово панчевачки. --MareBG (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Ма знам да ти знаш, вероватно и боље од мене него ја збрзао. Мислим да бих добио перм. бан за Панчевац :) Контактираћу га у току дана опет и убацити остале грађевине у кат. Стари град које фале. --MareBG (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Поздрав Пајо! Да стварно нигде луке, нисам обраћао пажњу, а отварао сам тај чланак. Најбоље да замениш тако, а ја ћу питати људе ако не и фоткати за око 2 недеље сам у том правцу. На Остави стварно нема ништа друго, баш гледам. --MareBG (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Jaвљам када поставим : ) --MareBG (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

It has been proposed that Romanization of Serbian be renamed and moved to Romanization of Serbo-Croatian.

Hello,

It has been proposed in this section that Romanization of Serbian be renamed and moved to Romanization of Serbo-Croatian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romanization_of_Serbian I was wondering how to get this discussion posted to the 'Requested moves' section on WikiProject Serbia so that other users can see and hopefully provide their input. Hvala Docholliday11 (talk) 02:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I am sorry, but I don't know how to do it. I am generally not into technical stuff. Additionally, I am not a member of the WikiProject Serbia. Sorry again. PajaBG (talk) 12:27, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

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Please work on existing articles that have existed on Wikipedia for years, do not write competing articles. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@EnPassant:@Liz: Hi there. I don't know how did you get the idea I was doubling the existing article. I took a text which was removed a while ago from the present Air Serbia article, and kept it on my own page. The text was originally completely written by me, and I wanted to preserve it because of so many data and references in it as I wish to rewrite it (to reduce it and update it) and put it back in the article. It is not a contributed article, it is just a subpage on my own profile page, and as such not even shown in Wikipedia's search. It is not even titled the same, so I don't see how someone could see it as a doubled article. If the title, which contained Air Serbia in it, is confusing, then you should tell me that and I would change it. No need for dramatic hasty deletion. So, please, restore it, or, if only the title is the problem, I will create a new subpage with different title. PajaBG (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I searched your contributions back to September 2020 and see no edits to the Air Serbia article. Did you remove the text yourself? If someone else removed it, why was it removed in the first place? Did you address any reasons given for the removal? EDIT: I found the deletion. Your text was removed in 2018 [5] and instead of discussing it you've tried to end around the deletion by posting it as a new article. Your article's deletion was correct. If you want that text to remain in the Air Serbia article please discuss with the other editors there and reach consensus. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@EnPassant: The text was deleted from my userpage, which is not part of encyclopedia. It was obviously not structured as a page on Air Serbia. I can post a text on my userspace and work on it further. What am I going to do with it, to add it to the existing page and maybe have a problem with editors, or to post is as a completely separate page regarding only the subject tackled in it (it is not on Air Serbia as a whole - I can post is as a Controversy of Air Serbia, for example), is my problem, not yours. You got it wrong, this text is from 2020, not 2018. And in 2018 I had a discussion with the editor who deleted it, and who in the end suggested a separate section. When you were (apparently sloppy, probably just to the level of validating your actions) doing my “background check”, you could also see that when I posted this as a separate section two years ago, I asked in edit summary if the addition is a problem, and that if it is, I will post it separately. Also, you could see in the edit summary that when it was removed, it was done by one editor who had a problem with it, after talking to me. We disagreed, though, but this is just Wikipedia. And again, all of this is my problem, not yours, especially if you don’t want to help, but cause problems instead.

If you wanted to do right whatever is that you are doing here, it could go something like this: Hey man, this post on your userpage, as it is, could be mistaken for a full, duplicated article by some overeager, self-righteous, deletion-happy editor, who may accuse you of using loopholes, as if you are 12 years old. So, instead of doing A, you should do B…And I would reply, hey, hanks a lot, I will amend it, happy holidays! But this way, with manic speedy deletion, and then “oh, we are/were/always are right, my crystal ball told me you end-around” attitude, and post festum patronizing, someone might think that you actually wish to be offensive. I will restore the text to my userspace subpage under different title, and add the userspace draft template. Though I don’t think anyone who spent ten seconds on thinking about it could ever get it wrong the way I posted it originally either. Ten seconds which I suggest you guys count to next time before you barge into someone’s userspace and speedy delete stuff. PajaBG (talk) 08:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You did not create it in your userspace, you created it in live article-space. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@EnPassant: LOL. So, like I said, instead of telling me I made a mistake, slam-bang deletion and condescension. And all that "assume good faith" and stuff. PajaBG (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Kikinda - Plava banja

With reference to your reversal of my edit in the article on Kikinda, paragraph "Tourism", line 261, I would like to tell you the following: While it is true that the word "banja" means "baths" in Serbian (not "spa" as the original author / editor wrote; "spa" in English means "a town with mineral springs"), the name of the location comes from the Hungarian word bánya, which means mine. The proof for this claim is that even today all of us living in the area pronounce it with a long "a" in Serbian ("bánja"), as opposed to the word meaning "baths" or "spa" ("bȁnja"). Not to mention that a short check in linguistic literature would prove my point. By the way, I am not ethnic Hungarian, just a well-informed local. 188.2.190.216 (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@188.2.190.216: Hi there. Well, that was a while ago. I believe you that "banya" in Hungarian means mine, but I am not sure it makes any difference cause, honestly, "banja" originating from "mine" in this case makes no sense, and the context points otherwise. First, it is not a mine, it is just a hole in the field where clay was dug with an excavator for making bricks and rooftiles. Second, the pond was obviously formed during the period of Yugoslavia/Serbia (I can't trace it before the 1980s) when the hole in the ground was revitalized and filled with water. Third, Serbo-Hungarian name combination doesn't seem very likely - Serbian for blue, Hungarian for mine. If it was called "Plavi rudnik"/"Plavi kop"/"Plavo okno", or "Kekbanya", than OK. Also, a fact that local residents pronounce it with different accent doesn't mean much, it is a common occurrence in every language. Already 20 km from Belgrade you can hear people say BEograd instead of BeOgrad. And they will ardently trying to convince me, a Belgrader, that I am pronouncing it wrong.

As a native Serbian speaker, I can assure you that "banja" is almost always translated as "spa" in Serbian language today. Though "baths" wouldn't be incorrect. I guess, it appears archaic and is generally not used except probably in some historical context. [6]. Regarding word "spa" itself, in English it means several things, not only a settlement with spring. From meaning just "spring", or even "jacuzzi", to a fancy hospitality establishment which has nothing to do with springs or spas at all. [7]. You also have spa-centers, etc. Greetings PajaBG (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

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Ako možeš dodati tekst i na srpsku Wiki. Imamo pričično prazno a ja sam napravio nekoliko slika koje če uskoro gore, mislim da bi mogao i film kratak, dok stoji tamo. --Petar Milošević (talk) 10:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC) p.S. I pohvale za tekst.

@PetarM: Hvala na pohvalama Petre (ili...Mile?) :) Trenutno pauziram na Vikipediji i ne pišem ništa, a ne mogu da ti obećam kada ću da se vratim. Mogu da stavim sebi u podsetnik da preradim članak na srpski, ali stvarno ne znam kada će to da bude. Pozdrav. PajaBG (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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