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How did you recreate the page

Just curious, how did you recreate the RichardHornsby sockpuppet investigation previously known as Tsetstransport. Xtools edit count does not show it as a deleted edit. 182.239.240.50 (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

No idea what you mean, I haven't deleted or restored any SPI pages in years. Primefac (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I think what he meant was [1] where you created a page on a page that has already been created without deleting it first. 60.227.138.38 (talk) 05:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

xtools doesn't always show all types of deletions, nor do log entries. Primefac (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

What type of deletion is this? How do I do this on my own MediaWiki wiki. Is the log entry of the deletion only visible to administrators. 60.227.138.38 (talk) 19:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Oversight. Primefac (talk) 09:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Why do you need to oversight it. Is it because the admin who deleted the page added something that needs to be oversighted in the reason. 182.239.240.50 (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Content on the page met the oversight criteria. Primefac (talk) 10:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

RevDel request

Hi. Any idea about this ES?102.173.223.161 (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Page has been deleted. Primefac (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

My article is not displayed on search engines

Good evening Primefac ,

How are you ? well I hope

I would like to tell you that my articleCercle d’études scientifiques Pierre Rayer — Wikipédia (wikipedia.org) does not appear on search engines, can you solve the problem for me please?

Inspiringflow (talk) 21:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hello, Inspiringflow,

Wikipedia has no control over how Google or Bing! or other search engines display their search results. It could take days, weeks or months for a Wikipedia article to appear on a search engine results page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Inspiringflow (talk page watcher) When creating articles about your own organisation you are, ipso facto, a paid editor. I have warned you and your surrogate account to comply with WP:PAID and given you both(!) the strong suggestion not to use two accounts. But you will know this already.

Wikipedia doesn't care much about search engines. They tend to index articles reasonably fast, although there is probably an unspecified delay to disappoint spammers. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Please remove my AWB access

I don't remember when I last used AWB/JWB, and don't foresee myself requiring its use in the future. I'm not sure why I asked for AWB access first place. No point in having access, as such. Thanks! JavaHurricane 21:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Cercle d'Études Scientifiques Pierre Rayer

You were kind to a new user (in your edit summary). That was a truly good thing to do. No good deed goes unpunished, I fear.

However this new user is a (presumed) good faith sock of Inspiringflow, to whom JBW has made a strong suggestion that they desist. I've moved the article back to Draft, warned both about UPE, and left each {{uw-agf-sock}} although this feels more deliberate than that template warrants.

There is discussion on my user talk page about the editor and the article/draft. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I looked at your talk page and don't think I need to comment any, seems like good advice has been given all around. Primefac (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Primefac ,

I have just made changes to the article in question and I would like to have your feedback on it if it is good or not; also regarding the two accounts underlined above it was an error on my part and I have already explained myself on that, Waiting for your return, thank you Inspiringflow (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect reviews

Hi Primefac, I hope you are doing well. Over 1000 redirects were created yesterday as part of an AWB request. These are all easy reviews, so can I use a PAWS script to review these redirects? This would save NPPs time, allowing them to focus on reviewing other important pages. I've seen many folks using PAWS on their main accounts for this type of easy work, so I just want to confirm if there are any issues. Just FYI, the creator of these redirects, Tom.Reding, is on the redirect autopatrol list, but Danny's redirect autopatrol bot has been down for a week, and DannyS712 hasn't edited in over a month. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Third time's the charm?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  17:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

If the redirects are valid, then I don't see why you can't review them. Might be worth cross-posting to BOTREQ and see if anyone wants to host a temporary backup for the bot. Primefac (talk) 10:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I am planning to run a temporary bot for this task. I will file a BRFA soon! – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

BRFA filed since this redirect autopatrol is an important task and has the same functionality, I hope BAG will approve it quickly. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Copyright problems

Hi, I've reverted two entries by new user Pohanuupasse. LaTasha Barnes, this edit [2] is very close paraphrasing from [3] Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, this edit [4] is very close paraphrasing from [5].

Can I ask for a rev/del please. I've left a warning for the user. Knitsey (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done (though why not use {{Copyvio-revdel}}?) Elli (talk | contribs) 15:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Elli:, Timtrent messaged me about this!. I didn't know it existed, although I had seen the tags on articles before. I'm so useless with anything techy, BUT, I've just installed it so I will give it a go next time I spot something. It's got to be easier than searching for a rev/del copywrite admin, then writing it all out.

I will probably crash Wikipedia but what the hell, right? Knitsey (talk) 15:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be a bit tricky to figure out, but it's a better general solution than poking particular admins. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Knitsey You'll be fine. We all make a few errors when we start using new tools, but you can't break anything with the tool you just installed. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for sorting it out. Knitsey (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Glad to see this is sorted. Many thanks to my tps. Primefac (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

A question

Just to confirm, obtaining permission for AWB here grants editors the right to use it on EWP any other language project, correct? — Sadko (words are wind) 20:10, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect, each project has its own requirements, so if you want to use it on a different language you will need to check their AWB access requirements. Primefac (talk) 11:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Ty. — Sadko (words are wind) 13:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

2023-2024 Middle Eastern Crisis

Hi. I saw that you declined my CSD of 2023-2024 Middle Eastern Crisis (though your summary referred to it as a histmerge). I was considering withdrawing that CSD anyway and draftifying the article as it's a WP:CFORK as of now and an undiscussed split (though a discussion was opened after the fact here). I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't be stepping on your toes if I went ahead with draftifying it. Thanks, estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Go for it. Primefac (talk) 13:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ambiguate

• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 18 § Template:Ambiguate

This is a confusing result; PROD isn't an option for templates, so its unclear how soft deletion, which exists by way of analogy of PROD could be an option at TfD. A regular "Delete" close would have made more sense. Mach61 14:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It's a comparison, not a 1-to-1. Primefac (talk) 14:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you...

...several times over, for the merge of the presidential navboxes back to their original state. One example of the harm done by the longtime discussion is that nobody looking at the recent Reagan film has been able to access Reagan's presidential articles from the navbox entries. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, though really I'm just reading the consensus at the discussion. Primefac (talk) 14:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Where was the consensus?

I'm sorry, Primefac, but I don't see how you can say that there was a consensus at any of the three TFDs (WAFLW, WAFL or AFLW) for merging the club templates, especially when there were more arguments for keep/leave as is between the three. I would have thought that if you saw this and weren't going to go for keep/leave as is, you'd at least go no consensus and let us continue the discussion at project level like some of us had asked for. There is a general consensus that convenience templates help the editor more than it hinders them... how, then, did you reach this result? Incredibly frustrating that we as a project now have to adjust (and only for some of these templates, not all) because of what appears to be a couple of editors' editing preference. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 00:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

4TheWynne, two of the three template groups are already done, typically with a one-character change, contrary to "keep" arguments that included text like "create a lot more work for ourselves" or "saves time when updating the pages". The third template group is just waiting for a bot or an editor with a script to adjust affected pages with transclusions. The basic function of the templates, providing an easy shortcut method to enter team name links, was kept, not deleted, with the merge outcome, so most of the "Keep" arguments were incorporated into the TFD closure.

"Keep" arguments about the existing syntax being easy to use are honored by the three new templates, which are equally easy to use (a pipe instead of a space) and much easier to maintain (teams or abbreviations are trivial to add or remove without the hassle of creating or deleting templates). Feel free to invite me to a discussion about the possibility of merging the rest of the templates. I have created {{AFL team link}} to show a way to merge the AFL XX templates, and I'll be happy to work on templates for SANFL, NEAFL, TSL, EDFL, AFLR, and other leagues. Replacing more than a hundred templates (plus template redirects) with six or seven templates that are just as easy to use is a clear benefit to AFL article editors, template editors, and template maintainers. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I didn't ask for your input here, contributions stalker, you've already made your position quite clear. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Just trying to be helpful. No personal attacks, please. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The comment about helping/hindering was with regard to the templates themselves; the nomination stated that the templates were taking up real estate and unnecessary, while the consensus of participants was that these convenience templates were useful for editors in those areas of interest. As far as keeping them separate, after merging was mentioned many of the keeps made it conditional on (or directly supported) merging. There is also strong past precedent from similar templates to merge multiple single-use templates into one meta template. Primefac (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Ben Muncaster

Hi, the picture I removed is of Sam Skinner, the photographer has misidentified the subject. Both Skinner and Muncaster were playing in the game v Zebre Parma that day. At the time Muncaster was 21, while Skinner was 27. If that's Muncaster he had an incredibly tough paper round! see https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/sport/20230279.edinburgh-rugbys-ben-muncaster-secures-scotland-call/

For Sam Skinner see https://edinburghrugby.org/news-and-features/skinner-signs-new-deal-and-nears-capital-return/

Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC) (an Edinburgh Rugby fan)

You should probably get the file renamed on Commons then, otherwise this sort of thing might keep happening. Primefac (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

BRFA for same task, new code

Hello. A couple of months ago, I was added as a co-maintainer for User:Muninnbot on toolforge to get the bot working, and then to maintain it. It was coded with pywikibot, but it was complicated. I tried to get it working, but I couldn't. Long story short, I created a new program from scratch, and it is working. But the problem is I am unable to log-in as Muninnbot to enwiki from toolforge, even if that issue was resolved, as I have completely changed the code, would I need to file a fresh BRFA for the same task? —usernamekiran (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

If you can't log in to the bot, then that bot cannot do the task, regardless of what code it's using, so switching bots would require a new BRFA. Primefac (talk) 09:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:No copyright holder/doc

Hi Primefac. Would you mind taking a look at Template:No copyright holder/doc? It looks like someone mistakenly thought they needed to added information specific to file tagged with {{No copyright holder}} to the template's documentation. Maybe an WP:EDITNOTICE could be added to the top of the page to let others know not to do this. It might also be a good idea to add information about associated user notification templates to the documentation; for example, either {{Di-no source no license-notice}} or {{Di-no source-notice}} could possibly be used with this template. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

There's nothing we can do to stop stupid, just revert and move on. It's really only when they keep doing it that we need to consider sanctions.

As far as edit notices go... I've seen almost more posts like this on pages that have an edit notice than pages that don't, so... shrugs probably not worth adding. Primefac (talk) 09:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Your bot's changes

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kooikerhondje&curid=66465&diff=1251950761&oldid=1250944540

Does it really need to add non-breaking spaces, replace CN with citation needed (I see 0 purpose to this), and other miscellaneous changes? "elink template removal following" is not a completely accurate summary of the edits and I was confused what the bot was doing at first. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

yes, no (not a fan of this personally), and probably. I do agree that occasionally genfixes can be a bit messy, but I would rather have them and save another edit from someone else making the same genfixes. Primefac (talk) 11:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Primefac,

We have a new editor, User:Celinejunior24, who is using AFCH and accepting drafts and moving them to main space. One of them, Youngboi OG (rapper) has been deleted and the page title now is fully protected but she also accepted a draft that is now at The Party Never Ends (album). I thought that editors had to apply to be able to use the AFC scripts but she has only been editing for 3 days.

What privileges are actually given if an editor is accepted as an AFC reviewer that this editor hasn't already assumed for themselves? Partly concerned but also partly curious about how this is possible. Many thanks for any information you can provide. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

They are using AFCH summeries but they are not using AFCH; if you look at their edit history you will see the "cleanup using AFCH" edit is not simultaneous with accepting the draft, which is what happen were they actually using the tool. They are simply copying the same summaries to give an air of legitimacy. Primefac (talk) 10:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. It sure looked real to me so I'll reexamine their edit summaries. I see they are blocked now which isn't a huge surprise, as a recently created account, it's unfathomable that they would know so much about AFCH unless they had had previous editing experience here. Thanks again. 18:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)