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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I do see Indonesian articles such as [1] [2] [3] which demonstrate the club is covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. SportingFlyer T·C 18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (appear to) show notability. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources in the article and this AfD only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that according to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources presented are sufficient for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:SPORTCRIT, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide significant coverage of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of saints

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List has no clear criteria for inclusion. And if we were to include every saint from the four Churches mentioned in the table, then it would be far too long. I've created a new article (Lists of saints) which should serve as a directory for lists of saints, so I believe List of Saints should become a redirect to that. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 15:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If this does get deleted, can we not delete the history and just put the new one over it/histmerge? I would rather not delete a 23 year article history if it can be avoided. Or redirect is fine too just keep the history. No opinion on the proposal itself. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why does the history matter? ―Howard • 🌽³³ 15:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With pages this old and with this many sub pages, there's an extremely high likelihood this has been content split to some of the other saint lists at some point, so it would need to be kept historically for attribution reasons. Also historically interesting. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't answer if it should be either. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 16:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lists of saints: This article should not exist in its current form, as it is way too painful to navigate. However, redirects are cheap, and I see no downside to preserving the page history. HyperAccelerated (talk) 23:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Lists of saints per HyperAccelerated. Sensible ATD for this not terribly sensible list. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Preston Arsement

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Fails WP:NBIO, nothing really significant just a series of "he did this" or unreliable sources. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak delete: Source three is likely a RS. the rest don't seem to be... Source six is about his wife. This [4] is a brief listing, I don't think we have enough to confirm notability needed for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep there are multiple sources, in here and available. Boleyn (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are many sources to make this article bigger 73.216.182.68 (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Oaktree b is right, there's not enough in here and no more out there. Lacks WP:SIGCOV, fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Trabzon

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Cannot find anything in Google Scholar and hard to tell if the linked source is enough to justify the article Chidgk1 (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anthony Bryer seems to be reputable but I am not an academic so I don’t know whether that sourcing is enough. Bryer was writing in the 1960s but a lot of the stuff which was unpublished in his day should now be available by searching for "Trebizond" at https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Trebizond&_sd=&_ed=&_hb= so has anyone studied and published a more modern work based on the primary sources? Also the Ottoman archives are available as far as I know, so should not they be cited in some more modern secondary source? And why does the article not exist in Turkish Wikipedia? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aha at the end of page 202 Bryer says “the attack on Trebizond never materialised” Chidgk1 (talk) 15:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Looks like this was an LLM hallucination? If anyone can convincingly dispute that, please ping me and I'll have a second look. -- asilvering (talk) 02:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Track Bangas

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Unsourced, lack of notability, was unable to find any reliable sources demonstrating notability. Waxworker (talk) 13:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Very PROMO, only sourced to their website. Nothing else found, no sourcing seems to talk about this outfit/company. Oaktree b (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lochiel, Indiana

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Here we have something of a puzzle. Baker describes it as a post office; google searches produce a railroad liability case from the 1910s in which a girl boards a train here, though the earliest topo I could find, from 1963, shows no trace of a rail line. Another hit is for a grain elevator, and that is still there, or some similar business. But that's it, except for a single house next to the facility. It's very rare for a rail line to evaporate that entirely, so I'm not utterly convinced that these hits all refer to the same place; but all in all I'd say there is a lack of evidence for a settlement here. A rail station seems the best fit. Mangoe (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of horse breeds in DAD-IS

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Fails notability for standalone lists and WP:GNG. This article is a table of entries drawn from a single online database, one which isn't a reliable source itself (see Talk:DAD-IS § Evaluation concludes DAD-IS is generally unreliable for horse topics). Neither this article nor its associated article DAD-IS shows any sources which are independent of the subject, and certainly no significant coverage. All citations are published by FAO, the host of the database. Also fails under WP:NOTCATALOG. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is WP:SIGCOV of the DAIDS system in google books; some of which are books on horses specifically (see my search results here). While the entire list may not be discussed, the concept of the list is which is enough to satisfy WP:NLIST. The fact that a current DAIDS list necessitates linking to WP:PRIMARY materials is not a bad thing.4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A list of things listed in the DAD-IS is, among other things, in constant need of review and updates. Further, the list merely states if a particular horse breed exists within a given nation, regardless of origin or suitability. For the United States, the list is particularly poor — a few years back it even confused slang terms, listing them as standardized breeds. While the DAD-IS itself may be useful to determine if a breed exists at all, particularly for rare breeds in the developing world, a detailed list here on WP is unneeded. Montanabw^(talk) 04:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Issues in social nudity

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This article hardly addresses issues, and is apparent from the get go with the introductory paragraph rehashing info that can be found in many other articles on nudism such as Nudity, Naturism, and Nude recreation, etc.. The article on Nudity especially has multiple sections dedicated to issues, in regards to its legality, cultural acceptance, and child development. The terminology section is totally unnecessary for an article about the issues related to a concept as it does not address any terms related to issues, only the history of naturist related terms themselves. Diversity in nudist clubs is not relevant to its issues unless those issues are stated, discussed, and sourced, which they are not, and would be more appropriate on articles covering specific cultural attitudes towards nudity as shown in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity#Cultural_differences. The other issues and legality sections are short and can be moved elsewhere, other articles about nudity and naturism have subsections covering particular countries where these tidbits may be more relevant. Micahtchi (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Anything useful and not redundant here can be merged with one of the existing articles mentioned.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 05:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I poked around Talk:Naturism and apparently Issues in social nudity was intentionally spun off from Naturism in as part of an effort to reduce the size of that article. I don't think that has any bearing on whether or not to keep this article, but any editor wanting to move content from this article back to Naturism should be aware of the issues there. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this before- what I got from it at the time (in the 2000s, so a while ago) was this person made a whole bunch of nudity related articles (that were too specific or unnecessary and were deleted or merged into articles like naturism and nudity, and seemed to get into a lot of fights about them too...). I think the reason it exists was because of old beefs and (in my opinion) an apparent desire to be first when it comes to writing these articles. I got this mainly from the original author's talk page. Micahtchi (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Discussion as to whether and how the article can be improved, or whether an earlier split should be reverted, or whether parts of the article should be merged elsewhere, are appropriate for talk page discussion and not AFD. The article has at least some appropriate, not duplicated, referenced content so deletion at this stage is not appropriate. Thincat (talk) 11:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the Good Article Nudity. The latter is much better written, having gone through the GA process. — Maile (talk) 14:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Redirect to nudity as this content does not fit that topic area's broad scope and is a better fit to naturism or recreational nudity.4meter4 (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep and speedy close per WP:WRONGFORUM. The issues presented here are all content based decisions in nature and do not fall under WP:DEL-REASON. The was a WP:FORK based on size from the parent article on Naturism. How to improve the scope of this spin-off, or whether or not to merge it back to naturism are not issues pertinent to WP:AFD and per policy at Wikipedia:DEL-CONTENT should be handled instead at Talk:Issues in social nudity using the WP:CONSENSUS process.4meter4 (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CEWC-Cymru

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Fails WP:ORG for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/redirect to Welsh Centre for International Affairs. As WP:ATD-R. Where the proposed target article covers the parent org ("WCIA") with which this charity org ("CEWC") was reputedly merged/amalgamated in 2014. And its website also redirected to that of the parent. We may as well do the same (merge/redirect). Otherwise, similar to the nom, I'm not convinced that there's sufficient coverage to establish independent notability or support a stand-alone article. Guliolopez (talk) 11:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Related AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CEWC Northern Ireland. LibStar (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/redirect to Council for Education in World Citizenship per WP:ATD as described by Guliolopez. There is most likely an entry on the CEWC organization in the Dictionary of British Education (2003, Woburn Press) beginning on page 52. It is not viewable online (google books ends at page 32) to my knowledge but the CEWC gets mentioned in snippet views on multiple pages in the 50s range which makes me think this is a fairly lengthy entry extending across several pages. This falls under specialized encyclopedias at WP:5P1. When a specialized encyclopedia covers a topic we should too per the first pillar.4meter4 (talk) 01:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ron Hoffmann

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Marked for notability concerns in 2013, and a complete lack of inline citation. The external links provided are primary (government) sources. A search for sources yielded namesakes. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 04:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of ambassadors of Canada to Afghanistan per WP:ATD. I couldn't find any non-primary sources with WP:SIGCOV; although there are many government/institutional websites that do have in-depth coverage. The only press I found were appointment announcements and passing mentions.4meter4 (talk) 01:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of ambassadors of Canada to Afghanistan: as an ATD per above. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relato K

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POV forking and WP:UNDUE; the article is based on the opinions of far-right politicians such as Axel Kaiser. Also WP:OR?? JPerez90 (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please define what do you mean when you say "far-right". Do you mean that he's right-wing, but more enthusiastic than others? How would that make him an unreliable source? Or do you mean that he's racist, white-supremacist, or something similar? That would be something else, right, but I would like to see a specific reference of that, not just a generic label that seems to be applied at random. Cambalachero (talk) 03:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Far right, the opposite of far left. Oaktree b (talk) 13:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which, of course, means nothing. The article of Kaiser now has a reference of a book that calls him far-right, but again, only that, a label, without any specific racism, supremacism, or wrongdoing attributed to him. Calling someone "Far-right" seems to be becoming like Fascist (insult) nowadays. In fact, if we check that source, it says that Kaiser is far-right... in the middle of a grand conspiracy theory about how the far-right (the only kind of right-wing politics there seem to be) is out there to conquer the word, destroy the left, abolish democracy, and enslave the helpless working class. I have my doubts that can be considered a reliable source to begin with. Cambalachero (talk) 19:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It really doesn't matter how you define it, the article isn't notable regardless. Sourcing is a mess and is mostly SYNTH. Oaktree b (talk) 20:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This appears to be SYNTH, I don't see the sources saying these various bullet points are related. Article draws conclusions that don't seem to be there. Oaktree b (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article should make more clear that the "relato K" concept has been used in several books and hundreds of articles in the press. I'm working on it. It has been used even in the context of the Spanish-language Wikipedia by an Argentine historian (in relation to hundreds of articles on Argentine history). I quote this Argentine historian and provide the citation:

"En 2014 dirigí una Enciclopedia Histórica Argentina que editó Clarín. Revisé varios cientos de entradas de Wikipedia referidas a la historia argentina, desde los casi ignotos guerreros de la independencia hasta conocidos personajes de la historia más reciente. Son contados los casos en que no me topara con una intrusión o manipulación con el clásico sabor del relato K."^[1]

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I tried a translation: "In 2014 I was in charge of an Argentine History Encyclopedia, published by Clarín. I reviewed hundreds of articles related to Argentine history, from little-known fighters for independence to well-known personalities of more recent history. There were few cases in which I did not find an intrusion or manipulation with the classic taste of the K narrative (relato K)." AwerDiWeGo (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep per WP:WRONGFORUM. The article doesn't meet any of the criteria listed at WP:DEL-REASON as notability is not an issue here. This is a WP:CONTENTDISPUTE/WP:POV issue that should be solved through normal editing and through discussion on the article's talk page using the WP:CONSENSUS process. Any WP:SYNTH issues can also be addressed there.4meter4 (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Romero, Luis Alberto (2021-03-25). "Wikipedia: el toque del Rey Midas". Clarín (in Spanish). Retrieved 2024-09-21.

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Panorays

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Article seemingly lacks any sources aside from trade press. Even then a significant amount of coverage is related to fundraising events. Brandon (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: [5] is definitely SigCov. This book also uses it as an example. (I also found 3 perhaps–slightly-questionable sources: funding, funding, research. I think the last source is unfortunately just a ton of trivial mentions. Depending on how one reads the "trivial coverage" part of NCorp, the funding ones may or may not be SigCov as they both have in-depth and independent coverage of what the company does.) Aaron Liu (talk) 12:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Between the sources provided by Aaron Liu and those in the article, I think this passes WP:NCORP.4meter4 (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eyüp Can (journalist)

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Fails on WP:JOURNALIST and WP:GNG and the references can't open. Royiswariii Talk! 07:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vanvaas

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Upcoming film with no independent or secondary sources. Draftified to allow for more development but immediately restored to mainspace. All the sources are sponsored content or press releases. bonadea contributions talk 07:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dobbert

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Delete - article has been unsourced since its inception. The sketchy source that I found earlier in November turns out to be cribbed from Marble (toy) anyway. My WP:BEFORE found no other mention of the word dobbert to mean a marble. So I do not think that this is sufficiently notable. N.B. https://archive.org/details/glossaryoflancas00nodauoft/page/106/mode/2up has dobber as does https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/dabber_n2, but not dobbert. SunloungerFrog (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Last One (film)

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WP:TOOEARLY. Draftify. This article looks like a PR work for Lokesh Kumar if anything. No indication that the film started filming or is going to release anytime soon. The director's page mentions that this film is in preproduction. DareshMohan (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magazines + TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. Here are some reviews of the tour: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] See also: [13], [14]. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or restore redirect to Union J. This had previously been merged. There are a couple of reviews in those sources, but the first source isn't bylined (and not a RS from the look of it); the Irish Independent is RS, SIGCOV; Oxford Mail local media not bylined; Mancunian Matters is hyper-local but has editorial oversight and is bylined; HitTheFloor is debatable, but a review nonetheless and there's an editor in place; Liverpool Echo is a WP:ROUTINE gig announcement from their sports editor (!); The Scotsman is a bylined review in an RS; the last two sources are an album review and a tour announcement in the Birmingham Mail. All in all, this is mostly routine, does have a couple decent gig reviews in RS but in the whole is not the stuff that amounts to making the TOUR notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Helvenston

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Delete and redirect to 2004 Fallujah ambush, the redirect target for the other 3 victims of the ambush. Coverage of Helvenston is in relation to the ambush or subsequent events. Otherwise he was one of thousands of individuals killed during the Iraq War. His notability is due only to the ambush, therefore delete per WP:BIO1E. Longhornsg (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He is known for more than just one event – he was on a reality TV show and was a credited Hollywood consultant, and was the subject of a dedicated LA Times obituary [15]. - Fuzheado | Talk 07:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: as above. I don't see notability outside of the event. 20 years later and there is no sourcing to be found. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"No sourcing?" The LA Times source has been added to the article, and there is notability outside of this one event. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see how he's more notable than any one else killed in the attack. There were too many deaths in the war, most aren't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BIO1E, a few sentences/short para there is all that's warranted. Mztourist (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Fuzheado. The journalist/editorial staff written obituary in the Los Angeles Times makes it clear the subject was known for his appearances on television, and as a personal trainer to celebrities in addition to the 2004 Fallujah ambush. WP:BIO1E therefore does not apply as the subject was known for more than one thing. This is further supported by coverage of him in a scholarly book on the History of Reality TV] published by Random House. There is coverage in google books of his work on television and his career as a soldier. Passes WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 New Way Cargo Airlines Ilyushin Il-76 shootdown

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Articles for deletion/2024 New Way Cargo Airlines Ilyushin Il-76 shootdown (3rd nomination)

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Per WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:NOTNEWS although notable at first sustained coverage died off quick. There has been no expanded reports on the incident. A crash of a heavy aircraft with fatalities under 10 has no notability in itself.

@ me in the below discussion when you comment so i can get the fastest response or see your comment ASAP. Lolzer3k 03:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Not a scheduled flight or a passenger flight (these are generally considered automatically notable), and it appears to have been a military flight or military-operated flight, in which case a shootdown isn't notable, it's fortunes of war. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I created this article when it was said that this was a civilian cargo plane, but since now it is practiacally confirmed it was a military one, and since no important figures were killed, and there were no particular consequences nor continued coverage I think we Can delete it. - SignorPignolini _Talk 06:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I was going to suggest a merge but I see there's already a brief, but sufficient, mention at the bottom of the Sudanese civil war (2023–present) § United Arab Emirates section. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Jay D. Easy (t) 20:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per norm. EBLDP (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep This won't be kept, but the only issue with it is really that the coverage window was too close in time to the accident. Articles like this show that there may be further coverage, in which case I would have absolutely no problem restoring this article. SportingFlyer T·C 20:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The event has received significant in-depth coverage in secondary sources that currently justify its retention. It's too soon to determine whether the event will have sustained continued coverage or lasting effects. Sources:^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviationwikiflight (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Crashed IL-76 in North Darfur: Sorting through the wreckage". Centre for Information Resilience. 31 October 2024. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ Dubrovsky, Andrei (25 October 2024). "Mistake or planned sabotage: What is known about the death of the plane with russians on board in Sudan's Darfur?". Afrinz. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ Abdelaziz, Khalid; Levinson, Reade; Lebedev, Filipp (24 October 2024). "Exclusive: Plane downed in Darfur with suspected Russian crew was supplying army, rivals say". Reuters. Archived from the original on 29 October 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ "RETRACTED: Sudanese paramilitary mistakenly shoots down UAE cargo plane". Sudan War Monitor. 21 October 2024. Archived from the original on 29 October 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.
^ "Mercenary aviation: Russian cargo planes helped both sides in Sudan's war". Sudan War Monitor. 27 October 2024. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024.

Keep: I believe this event meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines:

Significance: The incident involves a military aircraft, and any military engagements resulting in casualties often have broader implications for regional stability and/or international relations. This particular event is noteworthy given the ongoing issues Sudan is facing.
Media Coverage: There has been significant media coverage of the incident, which explains what happened in the incident thoroughly. Reliable sources have reported on the details of the event. Some citations which I easily found are here, here, here, and here that discuss the incident in detail.
Aviation Context: This incident is part of a bigger story about military planes that have accidents in war zones. Adding it to Wikipedia helps people understand the dangers and problems that military aircraft deal with. Also, I don't think heavy military aircraft, like the Il-76, involved in shoot-downs is ordinary. They do have significant information.

Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Hacked. This is a significant incident with in-depth coverage. The reference to guidelines for “routine” coverage in the earlier discussion are strained. WilsonP NYC (talk) 14:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep There's nothing WP:ROUTINE about this story or its coverage. Per Hacked, this article details a significant event, for which there has been WP:SIGCOV. Although the coverage seems to have died down, it think it's still too soon for deletion.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of airliner shootdown incidents per WP:ATD. Failing that, delete for failing WP:EVENTCRIT. The article has not received WP:SUSTAINED coverage no matter how many keep voters are distorting the claims to say it is. The sources just aren't there. Likewise, there is no clear source based evidence of long-term significance. Appears to be a relatively minor incident within a war.4meter4 (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shelby County Airport (Missouri)

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I ran across this trying to source unreferenced Missouri articles for the ongoing unreferenced articles drive. While the essay WP:NAIRPORT suggests that municipal general aviation airports are likely to be notable, that essay does not carry the weight of policy and I'm not finding any substantial coverage for this at all. This from MODOT looks substantive at first, but actually only 4 sentences is about this airport and the rest is about general aviation in the state as a whole. Newspapers.com searching in Missouri for this airport turns up coverage of airports in Alabama and Memphis, but only a statement that a large crowd turned out for a BBQ pork dinner about this airport and a second brief statement announcing a fly-in at the airport in 1961. I know these municipal airports are usually notable, but I don't see a WP:GNG pass here due to the only coverage a fairly thorough WP:BEFORE is bringing up that isn't registration-type listings are the four sentences from MODOT and the two one-sentence passing mentions. The NAIRPORT essay does not carry the weight of policy. Hog Farm _Talk 05:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. WP:5P establishes that Wikipedia is a gazetteer, and airports are a standard part of such works. WP:V is the guiding line beyond that, and that is satisfied. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Shelby County as an ATD. BTW, Wikipedia is not a Gazetteer (yes, I know it's an essay but still) and WP:GEOLAND tells us that artificial features related to infrastructure need to pass WP:GNG which this does not. So if the redirect target doesn't work for folks, then delete... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of airports in Missouri, which is a much better target than the county itself. There's just the bare minimum of information about this unattended turf runway that I could find, but I think we're just a source away from being able to restore it if someone comes across this later. SportingFlyer T·C 20:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree on this, din't know it was there. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Sportingflyer and Alexandermcnabb. I agree that List of airports in Missouri currently appears to be the best target that allows us to get the most information to the reader. I suppose there's a non-zero chance this may prove to be notable, but I'm also not convinced it warrants a stand-alone page when we have a fully functioning list we can add the information to. If a future editor does end up expanding the articles on Shelbyville, Missouri or Shelby County, Missouri and finds that they have enough for more than two sentences on the airport, then I have no objection to changing the redirect target. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to ~~Shelby County~~ Shelbyville, Missouri per previous comments. While WP:NAIRPORT says that municipal airports are "likely" to be notable, WP:NBUILD is a better policy to follow in my estimation, and this airport is not mentioned in secondary sources aside from cursory and WP:ROTM mentions in aviation databases and local news. For what it's worth, I've been AFDing and PRODing obscure Texas airports on an on-off-but-mostly-off basis, and it doesn't take much to establish notability—features in aviation magazines or local news stories that focus on the airport will do it—but this airport doesn't seem to reach even this low bar. Carguychris (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Carguychris - I tend to think that this would be better handled at the article for whatever governmental entity operates the airport. In this case, the article states that the airport is operated by the City of Shelbyville, Missouri. What are your thoughts on this? Hog Farm _Talk 23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That makes sense. I didn't notice that. Carguychris (talk) 17:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Agree. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:5P1. Wikipedia is a gazetteer and airports are included as a matter of course in gazetteers. Fundamentally, not covering this goes against the spirit of our founding primary mission. Pillars trump all policies.4meter4 (talk) 02:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very common fallacy. If we read WP:5p1 it tells us (altogether now), "Wikipedia combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers". That does NOT mean 'Wikipedia is a gazetteer'. WP:GAZ is an essay, as indeed is, WP:NOTGAZ. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Hampshire Liberty Forum

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Nominating page for deletion for the following issues per WP:DP.

1. Advertising or other spam without any relevant or encyclopedic content

The article contains large amounts of puffery and reads like an advertisement. Majority of the article is a list of speakers at conventions, mentions of their books, and external bare urls to their blogs or other websites.

2. Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes

The article does not list sources for claims of speakers at various conferences. Several existing sources are primary sources.

The article makes false and misleading claims, engages in original research with no sources, and presents their subjects in a promotional manner.

Example 1, stating that "James O'Keefe – journalist whose investigations have exposed corruption and malfeasance in major taxpayer-funded institutions, including ACORN, Planned Parenthood and NPR". James O'Keefe is a far-right activist that uses deceptively edited videos to attack mainstream media sources and progressive sources, and whose videos exposing corruption have been verifiably proven false, as in the case with the ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy.

Example 2, stating "Ben Swann – Emmy Award-winning journalist" but not including any mention that he is a well-known, notable conspiracy theorist.

Example 3: stating "Stefan Molyneux – host of Freedomain Radio" but not mentioning how he is best known as a white nationalist.

3. Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed

I cannot find reliable, non-primary sources for the large majority of the claimed speakers at these conventions.

4. Articles with subjects that fail to meet the relevant notability guidelines (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth)

Majority of the individuals listed fail notability requirements. BootsED (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Free State Project per WP:ATD. I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV on the convention, but there is coverage on the Free State Project who is responsible for this convention.4meter4 (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Americanoid

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Delete or possibly merge with Okunev culture. The first paragraph is about a "discounted" theory which probably doesn't deserve its own article. The second also is not deserving of its own article and can be merged if it isn't already in the Okunev article (I only skimmed it). PersusjCP (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Based on searches this was a theory regarding Siberian and other northern ancient peoples that was promulgated in the early 20th century, specifically by Russian anthropologists. As it is no longer an accepted designation, a few sentences in an article for the subsequent theory should suffice. I did find one article that criticized the term and attributed it specifically to Russian racism, but that perhaps could be a marker of scientific enmity and distrust of Russian science. Lamona (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and reformat as a WP:Disambiguation page and merge appropriate content Vladimir Jochelson per WP:ATD. Given that there are two verifiable definitions being used, one linking to Vladimir Jochelson and the other Ancient North Eurasian/Okunev culture, this is a reasonable navigational page.4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of cultural entities with sole naming rights

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Non-notable hodgepodge of venues which have a naming rights sponsor. No apparent notability or sources to tie them together. No incoming links. See also a related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sponsored sports venues. 162 etc. (talk) 06:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Events in the Life of Harold Washington

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Dubious notability, no images, article itself is of rather poor quality. Issues have gone uncorrected for at least 12 years, based on the top message Sandcat555 (talk) 05:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ilkhanate campaign to Bithynia

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One of many questionable articles by this editor. Couldn't find anything about this so called event - doesn't seem notable. This is the only part of the article that only talks about this event; "This Ilkhanid army succeeded in recapturing several Ottoman-held castles and towns in the region and dealt a blow to Osman I's forces" HistoryofIran (talk) 04:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Siege of Muscat (1811)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Capture of Baghdad (1148)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable at all. At least three of the cited citations seem to be primary sources (al-Bundari, "Ravəndi" (Muhammad ibn Ali Rawandi), and "İbn əl-Əsir" (Ibn al-Athir). HistoryofIran (talk) 04:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I just noticed this article was already deleted once under another name [16]. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Tabriz (1757)

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"There Mohammad Hassan Khan occupied Tabriz". That is literally all this article says about this "battle". The cited source doesn't say anything more than that ("First Tabrīz fell then,). Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Siege of Bahrain (1811)

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One amongst many poorly sourced and unverifiable articles by this editor. Doesn't seem notable. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kelly Le Fave

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Subject is not notable; fails WP:GNG. I did a WP:BEFORE search, as well as searched through the Internet Archive book search and ProQuest, and found nothing but trivial mentions of her name, and her own works. The only thing I've found that could be considered "significant" coverage is the short bio page from Image (journal) that is already in the External links section [17] (And the same page live on the web [18]) However, according to that page, she published her poems in that publication, making that source not independent of the subject. GranCavallo (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Alleged Lahore college rape case

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Fails NEVENT. no WP:INDEPTH coverage. and IMO its, WP:TOOSOOON and WP:THEREISNORUSH

Given the substantial evidence refuting the alleged incident, I propose that we consider the Deletion of this article based on several Wikipedia guidelines:

1. Verifiability: The claims made in the article are contradicted by official reports and statements from recognized authorities such as the FIA and CM Punjab, as reported by Dawn News https://www.dawn.com/news/1865944 and The Nation https://www.nation.com.pk/17-Oct-2024/cm-maryam-clears-mist-on-fake-student-rape-allegations, questioning the verifiability of the current content.

2. BLP: The article's content could potentially harm the reputations of living persons based on unverified and disputed claims, violating the BLP policy that demands rigorous standards for sourcing in contentious cases.

3. NPOV: The article may fail to maintain a neutral point of view, as it presents disputed claims without sufficient context from authoritative sources that challenge these claims.

4. Notability: The ongoing disputes and contradictions regarding the facts suggest that the incident may not meet the general notability guideline, which requires significant coverage by reliable sources.

These concerns collectively suggest that the article may not meet Wikipedia's content standards and could merit deletion or significant revision. I recommend opening a discussion for deletion to carefully consider these issues within the community, Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a newscast of information, much less false or speculation. Jinnllee90 (talk) 01:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:NEWSEVENT An alleged rape that didn't happen. Or did it? The perpetrator was the school security guard. Or he wasn't. Protests and alleged police brute force and rubber bullets, tear gas, etc. There was an investigation, with mixed findings. The family of the alleged victim said her injuries were actually from a fall at home. — Maile (talk) 03:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Brendon Cook

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Driver fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, having mainly contested low-level domestic championships (state Formula Ford, hillclimbing, national Production Cars) and not achieved notable success in international/higher-level series (British FFord, AUSCAR). Whilst the article appears to be well sourced on the surface, most of the sources direct to a websites' home page rather than an article – a quick internet search for "Brendon Cook racing driver" also brings up routine database sites and Wikipedia, therefore a lack of SIGCOV. Furthermore, I have reason to believe that User:Bjcook, the article creator, is the subject of the article and therefore in violation of WP:COI. MSportWiki (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like you haven't read the whole article. You will see a search on "Brendon Cook racing driver" is pretty useless. In the references from other editors, you will see he has gone by the name of BJ Cook, Brendon & Brendan (I assume spelt incorrectly or reverts in spell check).

Looking at other interests, he played Rugby League internationals 1992 Pacific Cup and games in the New Zealand provincial rugby championship with Manawatu which included a game against the British & Irish Lions according the Its Rugby profile. He is also the son of a former NRL player.

In cricket he played one international game in the 2001 Pacifica Cup (date of birth the same in cricketarchive.com profile).

Perhaps the article needs a bit of re-wording to imply that his major achievements were not in motorsport. NigelPorter (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply playing international rugby league and cricket matches for minnow teams doesn't meet notability requirements as there is no indication of success. Having kinship with a National Rugby League player is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Combined with the lack of proper sourcing, it is a self-promotional piece at best. MSportWiki (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your personal opinion. No body else has raised this since the article came about in 2006. If you have a personal agenda to delete this I'm not going to change your mind. Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here. So who is anyone to question you. NigelPorter (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're being very presumptive with statements such as "Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here", which isn't useful to the discussion. Do you have a COI with this article? MSportWiki (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no COI with the article. NigelPorter (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's focus on the article and its sourcing, not each other. The topic is whether or not we have sources that can establish this subject's notability. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think he used to go by BJ Cook when he raced. He also entered cars in the Production Car Championship with other drivers in them. He ran the Revolution Racegear store in Sydney for ages. So entrenched in the motorsport scene. But does that mean you need a wiki page? Probably need to re-configure article if going to keep.Greg Nail (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails notability guidelines, not to mention the WP:COI concerns of the author. Allan Nonymous (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Low level wins or competitions in minor races, I don't see notability. The first chunk of sources is simply race results,the rest are rugby match results. We'd need stories about this person, which I don't see... I don't find any articles about this person either, I'm not showing notability for our purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Falls WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 09:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Romero, Luis Alberto (2021-03-25). "Wikipedia: el toque del Rey Midas". Clarín (in Spanish). Retrieved 2024-09-21.

[2] "Crashed IL-76 in North Darfur: Sorting through the wreckage". Centre for Information Resilience. 31 October 2024. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.

[3] Dubrovsky, Andrei (25 October 2024). "Mistake or planned sabotage: What is known about the death of the plane with russians on board in Sudan's Darfur?". Afrinz. Archived from the original on 11 November 2024. Retrieved 11 November 2024.

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