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This is a log of featured list candidates from Wikipedia:Featured list candidates which failed to reach consensus for promotion as featured lists, with the most recent at the top Discussions about successful nominations are located in the featured log.
Candidacy discussion about failed candidates in this calendar month is being placed at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/October 2024.
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC) [1].
- Nominator(s):
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗12:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because the list fits the FL criteria (by me fixing and sourcing all the items). This is my first FL nomination, so feel free to point out mistakes. Anyway, everything about the topic is covered and everything is sourced. Good to go. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Comments
- Drive-by comments
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.! Yearbecomes!scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.| 1987becomes!scope=row | 1987(on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
More points
- Please fix the ref error shown at the bottom of the page.
- Remove the spacer rows between each set of olympics winners.
- Add relevant wikilinks to the lead and some references. You can reuse the ones from later in the page, if appropriate.
- Most of the references are missing archive links. Running IABOT on the page should fix most of these. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, what ref error?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- Refs are missing archive links, no ref error though. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Can I use another script/bot? The screen says, "Permission error".
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- Sorry, got the hang of it, archived the links.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- Cool, ping me here when you take care of the rest of the stuff that I mentioned. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, got the hang of it, archived the links.
- Can I use another script/bot? The screen says, "Permission error".
- Refs are missing archive links, no ref error though. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Comments
- Nothing is linked in the lead - add appropriate links
- "Ever since then, the Philippines gained multiple medals, with their first gold medal gained" => "The Philippines gained their first gold medal"
- The Philippines is treated as both singular and plural in the lead
- "competing in the Men's 100 metres" - no reason for capital M in the middle of a sentence
- "In the next Olympic Games at Amsterdam, Netherlands" => "In the next Olympic Games in Amsterdam, Netherlands"
- "finished third at the Men's 200 metre breaststroke aquatic event" => "finished third in the men's 200 metre breaststroke aquatic event"
- "until 2020 Summer Olympics." => "until the 2020 Summer Olympics."
- "The country would also win another bronze medal" => "The country also won another bronze medal"
- "gained a bronze medal in the Men's 400 metre hurdles athletic event" - no reason for capital M
- Diaz and Yidefonso image captions do not need full stops
- "was beaten at the gold medal bout" => "was beaten in the gold medal bout"
- "The next Olympic medals for the Philippines come from Boxing," => "The next Olympic medals for the Philippines came from boxing,"
- "and his brother Mansueto "Onyok" Velasco, claiming silver" - no reason for comma after his name
- "at Atlanta, United States" => "in Atlanta, United States"
- " Hidilyn Diaz finished second at the Women's" => " Hidilyn Diaz finished second in the women's"
- "at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil." => "in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil."
- "gold medal finish in the Women's 55 kg weightlifting category" => "gold medal finish in the women's 55 kg weightlifting category"
- "the other athletes finishing with medals are" => "the other athletes finishing with medals were"
- "silver medal in the Women's featherweight boxing finals" => "silver medal in the women's featherweight boxing finals"
- "also winning a silver medal in the Men's flyweight boxing finals" => "also winning a silver medal in the men's flyweight boxing finals"
- "Eumir Marcial, with a bronze medal finish in the men's middleweight boxing category semi-finals"
- "finished first at the Men's floor exercise and Men's vault artistic" => "finished first in the men's floor exercise and men's vault artistic"
- "at Paris, France." => "in Paris, France."
- "two other athletes won with medals" => "two other athletes won medals"
- "a bronze medal finish in the Women's flyweight boxing category semifinals" => "a bronze medal finish in the women's flyweight boxing category semi-finals"
- "bronze medal in the Women's featherweight boxing category semifinals" => "bronze medal in the women's featherweight boxing category semi-finals"
- In the list of medalists table, the "name" column should sort based on surname, not forename
- No reason for blank rows after every games
- "Nesthy Petecio is the first Filipino boxer to win" => "Nesthy Petecio was the first Filipino boxer to win"
- In the Youth Olympics section, there's a footnote symbol that doesn't link to anything
- "Luis Gabriel Moreno who did not officially medal for the Philippines at the 2014 Youth Summer Olympics did win" => "Luis Gabriel Moreno, who did not officially medal for the Philippines at the 2014 Youth Summer Olympics, did win". Also link his name
- "at the Mixed team event" => "in the mixed team event"
- "The following are medalists in official demonstrations sports" => "The following are medalists in official demonstration sports"
- in the Medal tally by individual table, the "person" column should sort based on surname, not forename
- Gold/siver/bronze column headers are randomly coloured in some tables but not others
- "teams that are composed of members from more than one NOCs." => "teams that are composed of members from more than one NOC."
- Also, you need to explain what NOC means in that note
- That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Done 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- One thing I didn't pick up before - why do all the tables have column headers of Gold/Silver/Bronze except for one which has 1/2/3.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Comments by Matthewrb
- All of your images need alt text. For more information, see MOS:ALT.
- While it is redirected, Leopoldo Serantes is misspelled in the history section.
- The icons in the Summer Olympics table under List of Medals need to be marked as decorative images, per MOS:PDI.
- Your references columns should be unsortable. In addition, use {{refh}} to make the column information clearer.
- The system of marking active competitors with just bold text is difficult to read for many people (and screen readers might ignore it entirely.). I would recommend using a template for that purpose: {{active}} along with a symbol like {{double-dagger}} for the screen readers.
- In addition, why are you denoting active competitors only in the "Multiple Medalists" table?
- You have two different footnote systems going, {{refn}} with a note parameter and {{efn}}. I would pick one and stick to it, or differentiate why you have two.
- Footnote a has an unnecessary redlink.
- Why do we have a {{DEFAULTSORT}} with the article title with some additional terms capitalized? Sorts ignore case, so I believe this is unnecessary.
That's what I got. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 15:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- For your third bullet, how to do that?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC) - Done Didn't feel the need to insert the dagger, and didn't include Medal tally by individual, since they are already mentioned above.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- It should be as simple as adding
|alt= |link=to the images.
- It should be as simple as adding
- Whatever change you made also added empty rows to the Summer Olympics table, in the List of Medals section. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 14:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗09:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm not seeing the change for my third bullet, but that might be a caching issue. Support ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 16:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The icons are assigned to a specific template, hence why I didn't do your request.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- The icons are assigned to a specific template, hence why I didn't do your request.
- I'm not seeing the change for my third bullet, but that might be a caching issue. Support ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 16:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Whatever change you made also added empty rows to the Summer Olympics table, in the List of Medals section. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 14:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An IP is reverting my edits for the active competitors, because bold words are regularly only shown in the Multiple medalists table.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey man im josh
Focusing only on reference formatting, and not whether the references actually verify the information:
- Formatting in the references is inconsistent, specifically when mentioning Olympedia. Make it consistent and link to Olympedia
- Remove "Olympedia – " from the reference titles
- Ref 3 – Add link to Routledge
- Ref 5 – Dead, mark as such
- Ref 7 – It's unclear what this is supposed to be verifying, but it's an image on flickr and is not a useful / good reference
- Ref 8 – Do not include both a website and publisher. International Swimming Hall of Fame should be listed under website/work, not publisher in this case.
- Ref 10 – Do not include 3 entries for the work, go with BBC Sport
- Ref 21 – 2024 Summer Olympics is not the website. Link instead to International Olympic Committee
- Ref 25 – Link to Philippine Daily Inquirer instead of "INQUIRER.net"
- Ref 26 – A wordpress website which is currently down. Mark link as dead or replace it.
- Ref 27 – Link to Olympic Council of Ireland.
- Ref 28 – Do not include the International Olympic Committee as both the work and publisher, remove them as publisher and add link in work parameter
- Ref 29 – International Olympic Committee added to both work and publisher fields again
- Ref 30 – Add link to The Philippine Star
- Ref 31 – Add link to GMA News Online
- Ref 32 – Add link to ABS-CBN
- Ref 33 – Add publish date and change website to The Philippine Star
- Ref 34 – Add publish date and change website to The Philippine Star
Other comments:
- The tables lack row and column scopes
- "Mixed team" should not be capitalized mid sentence
- Do not add empty rows into tables to split them up further, it messes with accessibility (I don't have the link off the top of my head right now)
- None of the pictogram images hve alt text
- Is there a reason home regions are not linked?
- Lead needs work, it's choppy as can be.
- There's a multiple medalist table under the medalist table which already pretty clearly shows who won multiple medals
- Reference columns should be unsortable
There's a lot, and I could have actually said more, but this is what I have for now. Ping me when it's been addressed and I'll look through again. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed the ref errors.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC) - The multiple medalist table is shown in other Olympic medalists lists.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- Also, an IP is reverting my edits removing the empty rows referencing other articles.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗08:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- I did not receive a ping and had not come back to this yet @TheNuggeteer. Are you aware of whether your restrictions from ANI apply to existing nominations? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, an IP is reverting my edits removing the empty rows referencing other articles.
Per the nominator's topic ban from content assessment processes, including FLC, this nomination should not have been opened, and will be archived. --PresN 16:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC) [3].
- Nominator(s): Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because Salamone is one of the most unique architects in Argentina, with a Metropolis-inspired style. I went to the library of the architecture school in my city to read the books to make this article. Yilku1 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Drive-by comment
- What's the initial sorting order of the tables? It's not the name of the building or the date. In fact it just seems completely random..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I sorted by partidos, what would be an accepted order?.--Yilku1 (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- If that is the case, why is "General San Martín" near the bottom......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Would it be better to sort by building name? Yilku1 (talk) 01:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would say that either building name or date would be the most logical things by which to sort -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done I sorted by building name. I didn't see your comment before. Yilku1 (talk) 05:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- If that is the case, why is "General San Martín" near the bottom......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- I sorted by partidos, what would be an accepted order?.--Yilku1 (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would also add that the sorting by coordinate is not working and that the "Notes" column should not be sortable. Broc (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is because addresses are before coordinates. Yilku1 (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 19:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
More comments
- "The majority of his work consisted mainly of" - no need to say both "the majority of" and "mainly" so get rid of one
- "he only built 2 private homes" => "he only built two private homes"
- "only projected 2 buildings" - the number should be written as a word. Also, I have no idea what you mean when you say he "projected" two buildings. This verb does not make sense in this context in English.
- Capitalisation of most of the headings is wrong. Only the first word should be capitalised.
- One address and a few dates are missing. Are these not known?
- Almost all of the notes are not full sentences so they don't need full stops. The one word note "Extension" certainly doesn't need one.
- "For the following works it can not be fully confirmed the authorship of Salamone." => "For the following works the authorship of Salamone cannot be fully confirmed." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done The missing dates are not listed in my sources. Yilku1 (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Comments by Alavense
- more than 60 monumental buildings in Buenos Aires Province - Maybe in the Buenos Aires Province?
- After several problems - What kinds of problems?
- the task of building different public buildings - Erecting? Constructing? Find something to avoid the repetition.
- giving him full powers for his projects, encouraging the growth of small towns and cities - Those two gerunds in a row sound a bit odd. Maybe something along the lines of giving him full powers for his projects, which were expected to encourage the growth of small towns and cities?
- You can say something more about Salamone in the caption of the image. In any case, it shouldn't have a full stop, as it's not a complete sentence.
- municipalities - Maybe you mean city hall?
- cemeteries portals - cemetery portals
- In Argentina the territorial divisions of second order are called Partidos in the Buenos Aires and Departamentos in the other provinces - No need for the uppercase in Partidos or Departamentos.
- The town of Vicente López covers the whole Partido of the same name - Same with Partido.
- Consider using {{ill}} to link cities and towns which don't have an article on this Wikipedia.
- Consider splitting the references into two columns.
- Many of the issues raised above by ChrisTheDude have not been addressed yet, I'm afraid.
I still have to take a look at the table, but I'd rather wait until you take previous comments into consideration. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done Yilku1 (talk) 23:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think many of the suggestions haven't been taken into account yet. As ChrisTheDude pointed out, there are many notes which probably could do without the full stops. The caption could have a bit more than just the name of the architect. I notice now, as well, that this list is probably a translation of the Spanish one? In that case, the translation would need an attribution, and that's a requirement. You can read more about that here. Alavense (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- What counts as full sentences and what doesn't? Does "Work by César Fernández" needs a full stop or not? Does it need attribution if I am the author of both articles? Yilku1 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that is definitely not a full sentence. I reckon that's pretty obvious. You can find more information regarding those issues in WP:CAPTION. And I don't think the fact that you are the "author" (whatever that means) of the other article matters. I already provided a link with further information. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I removed more full stops. Yilku1 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just following up with @Alavense to see if all of their concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still concerned about lack of attribution for the translation, for example. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done It's in the talk page. Yilku1 (talk) 04:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still concerned about lack of attribution for the translation, for example. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just following up with @Alavense to see if all of their concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I removed more full stops. Yilku1 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that is definitely not a full sentence. I reckon that's pretty obvious. You can find more information regarding those issues in WP:CAPTION. And I don't think the fact that you are the "author" (whatever that means) of the other article matters. I already provided a link with further information. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- What counts as full sentences and what doesn't? Does "Work by César Fernández" needs a full stop or not? Does it need attribution if I am the author of both articles? Yilku1 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think many of the suggestions haven't been taken into account yet. As ChrisTheDude pointed out, there are many notes which probably could do without the full stops. The caption could have a bit more than just the name of the architect. I notice now, as well, that this list is probably a translation of the Spanish one? In that case, the translation would need an attribution, and that's a requirement. You can read more about that here. Alavense (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Image review — Pass
- The image in the infobox is of the architect and has an appropriate public domain license.
- The remaining images are also all relevant, being of the structures listed.
- All the images have ALT tags, although these seem to be titles rather than descriptions.
- The majority of the images have been uploaded to Wikimedia by their creators and have an appropriate Creative Commons license tags, including:
- Palacio Municipal de Carhué.JPG*Municipalidad Gonzalez Chávez.jpg
- Centro Cultural de González Chavez.JPG
- Delegacion municipal alberdi bsas.jpg
- Matadero de Alberdi, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
- Municipalidad de Alberti 2019.jpg
- Ex Club Social de Alberti bis.jpg
- Antigua delegación municipal de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires.jpg
- Matadero de Alem, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
- Salamone en Ayacucho y Alvear.jpg
- AzulCementerio.jpg
- Ex-Matadero Municipal de Azul.JPG
- Cementerio Municipal de Balcarce, Obra del Arq. Salamone.jpg
- Matadero Municipal.jpg
- DelegacionMunicipal LagunaAlsina.jpg
- Delegación Municipal Cacharí.JPG
- MataderoMunicipalCacharí.jpg
- Casa de Carlos Calegari.jpg
- DelegacionMunicipal Casbas.jpg
- Delegación Municipal Chillar.JPG
- Matadero chillar.jpg
- Delegación Coronel Mom.jpg
- Municipalidad de Pringles (3).JPG
- Matadero Municipal de Coronel Pringles (2).JPG
- Casa Daneri-DSCN0142.jpg
- Casa mdp.jpg
- Hospital Municipal General Eustoquio Díaz Vélez.jpg
- DelegacionMunicipal Garre.jpg
- Palacio Municipal Guaminí 1x1.jpg
- Matadero Guamini 2x3.jpg
- Corralón Municipal Laprida.jpg
- Laprida Cemetery Facade 04.JPG
- Palacio Municipal de Laprida, fachada.JPG
- Delegación Municipal de Los Pinos 15092013.jpg
- DelegacionMunicipal Miranda.jpg
- MataderoMunicipal Pellegrini.jpg
- Palacio Municipal de Rauch.JPG
- Escuela Secundaria Nº 1.jpg
- Saldungaray Portal Cementerio.jpg
- Delegación Municipal de Saldungaray 2.JPG
- Mercado Saldungaray.jpg
- Matadero Saldungaray 1.jpg
- Cementerio Salliqueló.jpg
- MataderoMunicipal Salliqueló.jpg
- Delegación Municipal de San Agustín.jpg
- DelegacionMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
- MataderoMunicipal TresLomas.jpg
- Delegación Municipal Tres Picos.jpg
- Matadero de Vedia, provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Obra del arquitecto Francesco Salamone.jpg
- Matadero Municipal de Villa Epecuén 1x1.jpg
- Matadero Modelo Villa María.JPG
- Municipalidad de Pringles (4).JPG
- FuenteOrnamental Guaminí.jpg
- Cruz del Cementerio de Carhué.JPG
- Cruz del Cementerio.JPG
- Cruz5.jpg
- ViaCrucis Azul.jpg
- Cruz Guamini.jpg
- Portada Parque Municipal de Azul D.F.Sarmiento.JPG
- Plaza General Arias.jpg
- Palacio Municipal de Pellegrini, Equipamientos..JPG
- Portal del Parque Municipal General San Martín.jpg
- PlazaIndependencia Saldungaray.jpg
- Plaza Juan Pascual Pringles 03.JPG
- PlazaLeandroNAlem TresLomas.jpg
- PlazoletaMunicipalidad Rauch.jpg
- Plaza San Martin de Azul.jpg
- Valle Hermoso Cine Valle de la Castellana.jpg is released by its author with a GNU license as well as a CC license.
- The following have appropriate public domain licenses in Argentina as the images are more than 25 years old and were first published over 20 years ago:
- Matadero de Laprida.png Municipalidad de Las Varillas.jpg
- Municipalidad de Vedia 1940.jpg
- Cementerio de Pilar.jpg
- Palacio Municipal de Tornquist 1940.jpg
- Plaza Centenario.png
- Villa María, Boulevard España.jpg
- Plaza Libertad Balcarce 1937.jpg
- Plaza Pedro Pereyra 2.jpg
- Plaza Rivadavia Vedia.jpg
- Portal del parque Venado Tuerto.png
- Portal del parque Garay
- The following images are from Flicr and have been reviewed:
- Municipalidad de Chascomús.jpg
- Municipalidad de Pellegrini.jpg
- The following has been released by the author into the public domain:
- Tornquist1.jpg
In summary, the images seem relevant and have appropriate license tags. simongraham (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I added these new images: File:Chascomús, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina - panoramio (27).jpg, File:Cementerio de laprida salamone.jpg, File:Plaza General San Martín (Azul, Buenos Aires).jpg. Yilku1 (talk) 04:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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This nomination has been open for over 2 months without any support for promotion. If this does not change soon the nomination will be closed. I would recommend reaching out to likely reviewers to try to get it some more attention. @Alavense: do you plan on returning to support or oppose this nomination? --PresN 18:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this list still needs quite a lot of work, as it has been pointed out by other reviewers. Alavense (talk) 07:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also pinging @ChrisTheDude: Yilku1 (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Comments by KJP1
It's obvious a great deal of effort has gone into compiling this list, and the main editor has done a good job of presenting the information well. That being said, there are a few issues, one major, which would prevent me supporting promotion at present.
- Criterion 1: Prose - "it features professional standards of writing"
- "60 monumental buildings" - In what way are the buildings "monumental"? Are slaughterhouses, sidewalks car parks and street furniture generally monumental? More importantly, who says that they are?
- "a new mayor was elected that started solving the municipal deficit by ending public works and accusing the former mayor of embezzlement" - this doesn't quite work. I think it is saying that a new mayor attempted to solve a municipal deficit by ending public works, and by an anti-corruption drive. This led to Salamone leaving Villa Maria due to his work drying up. But I'm not sure, as the prose is unclear.
- "the conservative Manuel Fresco of the National Democratic Party" - a social conservative, a political conservative? Does it matter?
- What are "cemetery portals"? Gates?
- "of corruption in a paving work" - what is a paving work? A project to undertake the paving of streets?
- "on two buildings of rationalist style" - link, Rationalism (architecture)?
- Criterion 3: Comprehensiveness - "it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items"
- For me, the major concern is the absence of any notes for most of the entries. This is particularly important as none of the entries in the list have standalone articles. Therefore, without any annotation, the reader is left with next to no information on the buildings themselves. Who built them/paid for them? In what style were they constructed? What functions did they serve? Do they still exist/have they been demolished/repurposed? For example, what were the "Alberdi/Alem/Bonifacio... Municipal Delegations"? Are they town halls? What happened at the "Municipal Ranch"? What was the "Spain House"? This last does have a one-word note, "Extension". But to what original structure? In this regard, the absence of a "Type/Function" column seems to me to be a weakness. There clearly are themes - lots of municipal offices/slaughterhouses/car parks/cemeteries etc. It would be helpful to be able to sort by function. Looking at some, random, current Architecture FLs, [4], I'm not immediately seeing any that have almost entirely empty Notes columns. This is the case even if many/most of the entries have standalone articles. I feel that, currently, the reader is left wanting in this regard. I'm unsure whether the main editor would be able to address this issue within the FLC, but will see what they say. At present, I would Oppose promotion. KJP1 (talk) 06:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Working in it. Yilku1 (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Fixed your points, fortunately I found a book by the National Monuments Commission listing protected buildings built by Salamone. Yilku1 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- PresN - Apologies, RL has been busy. I am afraid I am still of the Oppose view. The editor has done a grand job of responding to my concerns about the lack of Notes: but there are still gaps, e.g. "Las Varillas City Hall"; some read like quotes, but aren't attributed, "Stands out a precast Art Deco bow-shaped parasol resembling the grille of a car"; some are very brief, e.g. "Alberdi Slaughterhouse"; I don't think the repeated use of "Currently" works as it doesn't future-proof the article; and some I don't understand, what is "Oral source" and what is it sourced to? There is also a sentence in the lead that I was concerned by which hasn't been addressed. Admiring as I am of the author's efforts, I think there is more work required to bring it to FL standard than can/should take place within an active FLC. KJP1 (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
This nomination has been open well past the time it would normally be closed, so in order to move it past the finish line, pinging everyone involved who has not formally closed their review or where the nominator responded to their oppose: Alavense ChrisTheDude KJP1. Please support/oppose/recuse as appropriate. --PresN 14:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PresN: - I'll recuse from this one, sorry -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, with no prose supports and several opposes after multiple months, I'm going to have to close this nomination. Additionally, I have concerns that the notes added are copyright violations, given the phrasing. Feel free to renominate in the future. --PresN 16:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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