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September 2

Unsupported character in article name

Hi. The actual name of the company is now C|T Group, but I had to create it as C/T Group, and could not even create a redirect with the "|" character in it. Is this just something we have to live with, and create piped links in articles linking to it? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: Yes, you'll have to work round this. I've followed the instructions at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) and added a {{Correct title}} hatnote. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for that, John of Reading. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Question about notifying other editors of reverts and other disputes

Is it against Wikipedia policy to write out messages to notify other users on their talk pages about reverts and other disputes instead of using templates? Wasn't too sure about this. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 03:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@MrThunderbolt1000T: There is no policy that requires or even encourages templates. They are a convenience feature intended to make it easier for the notifying editor. A more carefully written and specific message is preferable. However, the language in the template has been reviewed, at least, so it is not likely to be more "hostile" in tone than is appropriate. You are responsible to see to it that the tone of your custom message is appropriate. -Arch dude (talk) 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The picture of a Woman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirst_trap#Criticisms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.133.8 (talk) 04:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Has the woman in the picture been asked if she wants to appear in Wikipedia page with her breasts showing? If not, that picture must be removed. Additionally, it's problematic to refer to a man as man but to a woman as female. Either male-female or man-woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.133.8 (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You can see at c:File:Beautiful nude.jpg that there was a license check in 2017, confirming that the picture was originally uploaded to Flickr and released into the public domain. Wikipedia is not censored and the pic is a relevant example of the subject. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored so we do not impose more stringent criteria for permissions on this picture of a person than we do on any other picture of a person. You use the assertion "must be removed." What is your source for this assertion? On the subject of language consistency, I agree with you. Please feel free to edit the article for this purpose. -Arch dude (talk) 15:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

Is there a program for formatting Wikipedia? I wrote my first article with 24 footnotes in WORD 2019. However when I looked at other web sites on the "editing" page, my eyes glaze over with all the arcane formatting. It is almost like code - it is way over my head. So I'm wondering is there some sort of program or web site that will do that for me?...or a service? I did finally figure out that I needed to put those little equal signs == in to ask this question... but that is as far as I got.

But I tried to copy and paste for a test and it came up with the footnotes. I enabled "VisualEditor" (albeit I'm not sure what it is), went through the "wizard" > "practice in the community sandbox", "edit page visually"> and then I "published" the sandbox. It looked fine ..but how do I then submit it?

The Microsoft Office Word Add-in For MediaWiki didn't work with 2019 Office. A Google search brought no programs or add ins that might covert the WORD document to a Wikipedia formatting. Pandoc seems to use DOS cmd to work, which is way over my head. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaSG50 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

AndreaSG50, the easiest way to edit Wikipedia like Microsoft Word is to use our visual editor. If you click 'Edit' On an article, click on the pencil icon and change it to an eye. This makes it look much more like how the article does, and you can use the toolbar up at the top instead of having to use wiki-markup. Hope this helps. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 06:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@AndreaSG50: There are some solutions listed at Help:WordToWiki, including the plug-in you mentioned. Note that there's a link to a possible solution for later versions of Word in the last line at Help:WordToWiki#Microsoft Office Word Add-in For MediaWiki. I'll note that there is more to it than just the technical translation of, for example, Word's bold and italic markup to '''bold''' and ''italic''. There is the fundamental layout of the article with section headings, citations, Wikilinks to other Wikipedia articles, etc. Some of them have no or multiple equivalents in Word. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Help: I was the Captain- I was there!

I was the captain and the corrections I made outline what actually happened. British Airways flight 2069 incident —— Preceding unsigned comment added by Billhagan (talk • contribs) 09:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the trouble to write, Billhagan. I believe you're writing about this. The problem is that anybody editing Wikipedia can claim to be anybody. Wikipedia can't use personal assurances (which it oddly calls "original research") and instead can only use published sources. You're describing something that happened in 2000; can you please point to a web page, newspaper article, etc, that confirms the change you'd like to make? (The best place to make the suggestion would be Talk:British Airways Flight 2069.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Billhagan: As the captain, you can probably get the correct information published in one of the aviation industry magazines if you cannot find an accurate reference. That publication will have the facilities to validate your identity and do all of trhe other stuff associated with vetting the information. You can then ask that another editor use that reference to update the article. You should not edit that article directly because you have what we call a conflict of interest. See WP:COI. -Arch dude (talk) 15:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

English translation of the Swedish Wikipage ESBE AB

I am the author of the ESBE-article in the Swedish version of Wikipedia. Now I would like to create an English version of the Swedish article. How do I proceed?

I am a paid author.

Best regard Jessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bublies Kommunikation (talk • contribs) 11:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bublies Kommunikation: First of all, see Wikipedia:Translations. Then please read about the english Wikipedia's inclusion standart for companies. If it does not met them, we cant have an article here. Next, you want to create a draft and submit that for review. Advice on how to create a new article can be found at Help:YFA. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bublies Kommunikation: you appear to be using the name of a company, Bublies Kommunikation AB, as your user name so you need to review Wikipedia:Username policy#sharing accounts and change your user name before editing further. You also should review the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and paid editing policies. TSventon (talk) 13:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

– Well I did make a draft and I also publicated it – however I can't find it anywhere. The Swedish article about ESBE is to be found HERE and that article was reviewed and authorized in May 2020. Now I would like to make an English copy – which I did today. I pressed the Publish-button but I can't find the article. It's several hours ago. So … what went wrong? When I DO have both English and Swedish pages about the company I would like to connect them as well :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bublies Kommunikation (talk • contribs) 13:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

If you click the "Contributions" link at the top right-hand corner of any page it will take you to Special:Contributions/Bublies_Kommunikation which lists your contributions. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.). --David Biddulph (talk) 13:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Remember that WP:Translation tells you that you need to provide attribution to the page from which you did the translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I upload a more recent photo to my wikipedia author page?

Hi, I uploaded a 2020 photo to wikimedia. The photo on my wikipedia is nearly 8 years old. I don't know how to update it though. The photo I uploaded is "Picture of Jill Neimark at desk". Can somebody do it for me or let me know how to do it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenbooks13 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Jenbooks13  Done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 13:04, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The correct way to specify book page numbers in citations if the book is cited more than once

I've added (what I think is) my first book citation (in Mo Foster) and expect to cite the same book a few more times in the same article, referencing different pages. Is the correct way to do this to use multiple references? Recently I saw a Wikipedia page (I don't recall which one) which used a single reference in such cases, and placed a superscript page number (or numbers) after the inline citation, eg Rhubarb^[5]:67-68. Is that a deprecated format? Misha Wolf (talk) 13:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Misha Wolf: Help:References and page numbers probably contains the information you want. The format you mention is under the heading "inline page numbers". Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf: No, that format is not deprecated. See {{Rp}} (and {{R}}) for the documentation. IMO, it's much easier and more maintainable than the alternative – "short citations" (AKA "Harvard cites"). I'd say duplicating the same reference with different page numbers is not desirable at all. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both. I'm now using the syntax you have pointed out. Misha Wolf (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with trolling (apart from reverting it)?

Recently I noticed that the Warren Zevon article had had an edit that was clearly trolling. I edited it out, but I'm wondering if there's any further action that should be taken and, if so, what.

EJS1985 (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Please see WP:WARN. You can put a template on the editor's page, warning them that continued vandalism can result in their account being banned. See also WP:TWINKLE, a tool which assists in warning and various other tasks. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 14:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: @El cid, el campeador and EJS1985: Please see WP:BANBLOCKDIFF. Plain vandalism will only get you blocked indefinitely (which doesnt mean infinite) from editing, not banned for any time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Ahmed Ghanem

The article entitled Ahmed Ghanem is linked to other articles on Ahmed Ghanem in different languages, other articles on Ahmed Ghanem, founder of the cultural program Egypt in the eyes of the world, meaning that this article is linked to other articles by mistake because it is not the same person Ahmed Ghanem in wikipedia Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch Associated with and thanks. So Ahmed Ghanem the founder of the cultural program Egypt in the eyes of the world is not the same person in wikipedia english , so we should unlink the page Ahmed Ghanem (in wikipedia english )from other links with other wikipedias in other languages because is not the same person . Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by I like Sinai (talk • contribs) 15:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I like Sinai. You're right: thanks for pointing that out. I have removed the link to Ahmed Ghanem from the Wikidata entry d:Q2827576. I'm dubious that the hurdler meets our criteria for notability, but that's a different question. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOLY Eagleash (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Eagleash. Yes, I'd already noticed that. I struck out my comment at d:WD:Project chat, but I forgot I'd said it here too. --ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

donation

Does wikipedia support president Trump? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.50.225.120 (talk) 19:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a global project and doesn't release any official or unofficial support for any individuals. Praxidicae (talk) 19:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia does not endorse any political candidate. Neutrality is one of our five pillars. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Nominating multiple articles for renaming

There are a few articles where you can’t rename because of general relation with other articles. How can I nominate multiple similar articles for renaming similar to how it’s done with categories? Is there a template? Where do I place my nomination?Manabimasu (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I found that there is a template for this. See Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_multiple_page_moves. You can find the instructions and guidance there. RudolfRed (talk) 20:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

fixing ping: @Manabimasu: RudolfRed (talk) 20:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Donations

I would love to support Wikipedia. However I am disabled and living on 661$ a month. Your requested 2.75 would come out of money I need to keep a roof over my head, food on my table, etc. anon75.161.253.141 (talk) 20:07, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your good wishes, IP user. Don't worry: like all charities, The Wikimedia Foundation (the foundation behind Wikipedia and many other Wiki projects) is always appealing for more funds. But I, for one, do not want people to donate beyond what they can afford. If you are interested, you could support Wikipedia with your time, by becoming a regular editor and (for example) picking up some of the tasks at Community portal. But don't worry if you can't: your good will is appreciated. --ColinFine (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is asking for, not demanding, donations. If you aren't able to donate to Wikipedia, feel free not to. JIP | Talk 20:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Please do not donate unless you have the means and the desire. We have lots of money because lots of donors have both. Those donors want Wikipedia to be available for everyone, including those who do not have both the means and the desire, so you should not feel that you have any moral obligation to donate. As Colin said, It suffices to just be an appreciative user of Wikipedia. As a separate issue, you may find enjoyment in helping us build the encyclopedia by making additions and corrections. -Arch dude (talk) 20:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation has an endowment fund of US $62.9 million as of June 30, 2020. Cash flow exceeds expenses. There is no need for people on a limited income to donate financially, although productive edits are always welcomed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

2 Sep 20 current events page section header broken

Hi, I've noticed that the section header for today (2. September 2020) on the "current events" page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events) is broken, and does not show up, when compared to yesterday (1. September 2020). I don't have the appropriate credentials to fix this, so could someone who does repair this, please? Thanks in advance AlJenko98 (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not seeing what you're talking about. They look the same to me. Perhaps you could upload a screenshot for comparison? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Embedding an existing Infobox musical artist into a (new) Infobox person

I'm working on page Mo Foster and need to add fields to the infobox which are not supported by Infobox musical artist. I've read Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed and have taken a look at a couple of examples, including Ian Watkins (Lostprophets singer), which is given as an example in Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed and also Elton John. I then tried replicating what I saw but it went wrong. Please could someone help me with this. Thanks. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You can embed another infobox using |module=. The first example above is where Infobox musical artist is embedded into another infobox - that may have confused you. You didn't say what "child" infobox you want to embed - that may also make a difference. I could help more if you provided more details. MB 23:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Misha Wolf: Something like this:

{{Infobox person
| name               = Elton John
| birth_name         = Reginald Kenneth Dwight
| module             = {{Infobox musical artist
  | embed               = yes <!-- This is important -->
  | background          = solo_singer
  | website             = {{URL|eltonjohn.com}} <!-- This closes {{URL}} -->
  }} <!-- This closes {{Infobox musical artist}} -->
}} <!-- This closes {{Infobox person}} -->

which renders:

Elton John
Born	Reginald Kenneth Dwight
Musical career
Website	eltonjohn.com

Problems are usually caused by not remembering to close each set of opening braces ({{) with closing braces (}}). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, both. Today I copied the infobox from Mo Foster to my User:Misha Wolf/sandbox and did the edits there, as I was less scared of messing it up! And they worked. I don't know what I did wrong yesterday. So I copied the amended infobox back to Mo Foster (and added some more fields). All seems good now.

BTW, I don't suppose there's some way to get access to the visual editor for an embedded infobox ...? Misha Wolf (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)