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Susana Centeno Hospital

I just started an article the Susana Centeno Hospital aka Susana Centeno Family Health Center, Vieques Municipal Hospital, etc. Currently closed since Hurricane Maria, it is the only hospital in Vieques, Puerto Rico. It has a variable history with women's health and hosted the only maternity ward on the island. I've never started an article on a hospital and would appreciate if others could put they eyes on it and review for copy edits, content, etc. I wasn't sure of the best way of incorporating the large box quote into the article. I welcome feedback and contributions from other editors. TJMSmith (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

WiR metrics

Our June metrics have not been updated since 1 June. Can anyone help?--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I've asked The_Earwig to have a look diff. They've helped in the past, so fingers crossed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

And they seem to be back. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Metrics/June_2022&action=history --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Interesting article on Molly White

The Washington Post has recently published an interesting article by Gerrit De Vynck on Molly White (user name GorillaWarfare) titled "First she documented the alt-right. Now she’s coming for crypto." It's a good example of how enterprising women Wikipedia editors can be on- and off-wiki.--Ipigott (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Extract image of Olga Rudenko from YouTube video?

This YouTube video is freely licensed [1]. Can someone help extract and upload to Commons a photo of Olga Rudenko? TJMSmith (talk) 01:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Database of notable people

Some of you may be interested in "A cross-verified database of notable people, 3500BC-2018AD" just published in Nature's Scientific Data. It draws on all the language versions of Wikipedia and also on Wikidata. The illustrations in the Annexes are well presented. As expected, it is pointed out that women are poorly represented among the most notable people.--Ipigott (talk) 10:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Administrative Associate position at Art+Feminism

Hi hi. We’re excited to be expanding our team and are currently hiring for an Administrative Associate! Do our mission, vision, and values resonate with you? Are you solutions-oriented with an instinct for collaboration? Have a knack for systems and operations and logistics? Are you energized to be an active participant in helping make Art+Feminism more equitable? Candidates are welcome to apply via online application through June 30, 2022. https://artandfeminism.org/about/opportunities --Kiraface (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Kiraface. Super exciting opportunity! All the best to you and the Art+Feminism team! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

To save time, you must be able to work (remotely) in the US, Johnbod (talk) 14:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Holland Pratt

Just a heads up here. Holland Pratt was recently created as part of a List of United States Military Academy First Captains and its subsequent DYK Nomination List of United States Military Academy First Captains. Aside from what it is connected to, Holland Pratt impresses me somewhat. But please read the DYK nomination, down towards the bottom. Someone has already suggested derailing Pratt at AFD. Other eyes would be appreciated on her article. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

"derailing". She's a newly graduated soldier who is now a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. Impressive enough person, no doubt, but I'm not seeing either GNG or a specific achievement warranting an article. WP is not an outlet for Stars&Stripes publicity guff, although it does seem to be used as such. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

So, anyway: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holland Pratt. Thank you for bringing this up. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

50 years of Title IX legislation

June 23rd 2022 will be the 50 year anniversary of Title IX which is the legal case that prevents discrimination based on sex for institutions in the United States receiving federal funds. Has there been any discussions or thoughts within Women in Red to highlight this event? And/or is there a better place to see where this type of activity might occur within Wikipedia? DaffodilOcean (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

At 50 minutes past midnight @wikiwomeninred will tweet that fact with a picture of Patsy Mink is whose memory the law is now named.... but her picture isnt in the article. Victuallers (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Nice. I have nominated Chris Ernst as a potential DYK for that date. She led a protest at Yale in 1976 in which the participants wrote 'TITLE IX' across their (naked) chests as part of a protest on the discrepancy in sporting facilities for men versus women. Hopefully it will be reviewed in time. DaffodilOcean (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Cecilia Hansen

Hey all! I translated the Russian article for Cecilia Hansen, but it was rather lacking in information on her violin playing beyond she toured here and there. If anyone is good at writing up this type of information and is so inclined, I would greatly appreciate the help :) She is also underlinked from other articles. (BTW loving our three-month translation event!) -Yupik (talk) 15:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Yupik, for your informative article. I was interested to see that you presented her as Danish while many of the other language versions say she was Russian. I'm afraid I haven't been able to find much more on her violin playing.--Ipigott (talk) 07:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

HOT – Tweet request

Hey Twitter team for WikiWomeninRed, do you think you could tweet huge Congratulations to both Lucy Moss and Toby Marlow for winning the Tony Award for Best Original Score for Six (musical)? They both have pictures on their bios now (thanks to Wiki contributors) and as background FYI, they share the award and Marlow has also set his own record as first out nonbinary composer-lyricist to win a Tony Award! Cielquiparle (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Ooo! Tweeted! I spotted this request. Suggest DM tweets to @wikiwomeninred... always like to get more ideas. Victuallers (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Brilliant Work Recognition for Cielquiparle

Women in Red's Inspirer Award

Did You Know that Cielquiparle's article about Olympic diver Millie Hudson, who attempted to swim across the Strait of Gibraltar in 1928, inspired an article about the Hammersmith Ladies Swimming Club and it complemented the article about Belle White, the first British diver to win an Olympic medal? More than this Cielquiparle's work has hinted that history needs to be corrected and our editor's are. Victuallers (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Humbled. Thanks @Victuallers and Women in Red. We all stand on the shoulders of others, especially on Wikipedia. I wanted to take a moment to call out the Woman in Red who inspired *me* the most during my first few months on Wikipedia. She is probably completely unaware, but it's @PamD, whom I met virtually and whose User page taught me so much about what it's like to be a content creator. It's how I found Women in Red in the first place and I just wanted her to know that she has made a big difference in ways she probably never imagined. Thank you PamD. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Wow, thanks! I'm so glad to have been helpful. I think my User Page probably shows my rather random pattern of article creation, but they're mostly just solid little well-sourced stubs with all necessary incoming redirects but not a lot of content. (And I'm so glad that I've kept that record of why I created each one, as I'm sometimes surprised to find myself as the creating editor!) I'm impressed by editors who create serious substantial articles. We all contribute in different ways. PamD 23:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

You are not the only one to appreciate the work of PamD. She has guided many of us into the importance of wikilinking, disambiguation and the inclusion of redirects, especially on variants of women's names.--Ipigott (talk) 07:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for those kind words, @Ipigott:. I know I bang on about redirects boringly often, but they really do help to make the connections which weave our web of articles together. And it's very satisfying to create a redirect from someone's full name, hit "What links here" and find she's been a red link for years in a list of prizewinners or something. Some of our women subjects are known by a great many different names during their lives, but any version of a name which turns up in any source is worth a redirect (plus likely variations thereof), because the next reader to look for it may be one who's seen that source and wants to know more about the person! PamD 18:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll just add my thanks to PamD as well. I have a whole routine I go through when I finish writing an article and move it to mainspace. Run "dashes" and "date format"; add categories, project, and editathon banners; use the gadget to link/update wikidata; check "what links here"; and create alt name redirects. Although I often fail at adding articles to forename and surname lists, I always try to create alt name entries because PamD has shown us how important that is. It does take a village to integrate articles and I truly believe we all learn how to do that best from each other. SusunW (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @SusunW:: I'm sure DEFAULTSORT is in that list too, but I hope you and everyone else know the brilliant little template {{L}}, where {{subst:L|1952|2022|Smith, Jane}} adds the DEFAULTSORT and the birth and death categories ( or "living people" if no death date) for minimal typing. Sorry to hijack Cielquiparle's thread, but it seemed a useful place to remind people of this efficient little shortcut. PamD 05:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Notable?

• Draft:Constance Porter Uzelac FloridaArmy (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Keri Blakinger, journalist

Journalist Keri Blakinger just released a memoir. She is the first formerly incarcerated reporter at The Marshall Project. There’s been a lot of coverage of her over the last few years. I think she may meet GNG. Any thoughts? Thriley (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks like a good start User:Thriley. A little fleshing out and I think it’s a welcome addition. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Sophie Freud

Sophie Freud, the last surviving granddaughter of Sigmund Freud, has died. Currently her article is a redirect, but I think her NY Times obit demonstrates her notability. Thriley (talk) 04:23, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Great work! FloridaArmy (talk) 23:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

New article on Indonesian women's rights activist and a source request

Hello! I've just created Nani Soewondo-Soerasno; she's an Indonesian lawyer and women's rights activist. If anyone wants to contribute more content, please come along and help.

One request; if anyone can get access to The Indonesian Woman: Struggles and Achievements, a 1960 book by Cora Vreede-de Stuers, I suspect there's a good deal more information about Soewondo in there. A number of the later sources cite the Vreede book when talking about her, but I cannot access it online. I tried the Wikipedia Library and several other places - no luck. Happy editing! —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Journalist, anyone?

While stub-sorting (and, OK, falling down a rabbit-hole on) Laura Bradley Park I made a redirect from Laura Bradley, the deceased child whose mother donated the land in her memory ... but we have a lot of en.wiki articles citing a different Laura Bradley, Hollywood journalist for Vanity Fair etc. Not sure whether she's notable - someone at home in that sort of area might like to look at her. Probably not the same person as this Laura Bradley. PamD 11:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we too often focus on “Notability”, a Wikipediacentric concept. Certainly the park is notable, the donor has an existing article, and if it is a substantial 100 acre resource with history. The real question is how best to cover it. Given its significance to the donor, it’s locality, and as a subject of historical and recreational significance in its own right I think it is best handled as an independent stand alone subject and It honk this is what our various guidelines indicate. It can be expanded and improved over time. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy: I wasn't querying the park's notability: I was suggesting that someone might like to write about the other "Laura Park", the journalist. PamD 06:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I see. Well, according to this she writes for the Daily Beast and formerly wrote for Vanity Fair and Slate. I think unless she has notable works (wrote books?) or won some awards she wouldn’t be considered notable just for writing articles for these publications. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Mary Lou Spiess

Please could editors on this project help me tidy up the details on the article on Mary Lou Spiess? She has been on my "Must Do" article list for over a decade since I first saw her on Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Fashion, but until recently, the only source for her was the Lawrence Journal piece, and I was worried that the deletionists would swiftly sweep her away for being "single source" even though she was obviously noteworthy. I am sure that she is no longer with us, mainly because there are only two people still alive today that use iron lungs (plus if she were, she would be 92 years old - pretty good going for a polio survivor), but I have not had much joy finding more than a few additional sources about her. Along the same note, I do need to try and pull something together about Hollynn Fuller Boies, the focus of the Lawrence Journal piece, and clearly someone else who did important and pioneering things in the field of disabled fashion, but all in good time - I just wanted to make sure that Spiess got her article first, and as someone who is themselves disabled, I would be SO grateful if anyone can help make it even better and not only improve the representation of women, but also of disabled people. Mabalu (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Predictably my Newspapers.com account has expired and has to be renewed just when I need it, but I do see articles discussing Spiess. I’ll try to remember to circle back when next I have a chance after my account is renewed. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I had a look on Newspaperarchive.com but there wasn't too much there other than what I used in the article. Hopefully Newspapers.com have some! Most of what I did find was references to (possibly) someone else with the same name in the late 40s and early 50s, which I wasn't really convinced was the same person. It does kind of seem as if there isn't much from California on the Newspaperarchive so maybe there will be more on Newspapers.com. Mabalu (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Mabalu These should help [2],[3],[4], fair-use photo?. SusunW (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you SO much - these are awesome!! Mabalu (talk) 20:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Glad to help. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Women Divers Hall of Fame

There's a discussion about listing inductees as redlinks based on the org itself. Your input is welcome. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Training: Writing LGBTIQ+ biographies in Wikipedia

Some of our members might be interested in attending this training, facilitated by m:Wikimedia Argentina, on June 28th at 16:00 UTC; registration required to get the Zoom link. The event is a part of a series of open skill-share events organized by the m:Volunteer Supporters Network. See upcoming events here: m:Volunteer Supporters Network/Meetings. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lou Falkner Williams

Notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 10:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Calanthe (character)

I think this is an interesting subject. She is part of a Greek legend and her name appears as a genus of orchid Calanthe and for the Draft:Grand Court Order of Calanthe social and beneficial organization of African American women. Not sure if she’s independently notable but at the very least she could be merged to Damon and Pythias? Any mythology aficionados with expertise on her? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Abby Ann Arthur Johnson

Would anyone be able to help me with this subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Has been accepted to mainspace. FloridaArmy (talk) 21:59, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Vanessa Lapa

Appears to be a notable subject. Well-developed article. Needs one more reliable source (in addition to [5]). Anyone interested in adopting? ~Kvng (talk) 17:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Google News gives quite a few hits for her name, amongst which https://forward.com/culture/479143/ophir-award-albert-speer-goes-to-hollywood-nazis-vanessa-lapa-andrew/ in which "The man who provided the source material for an Ophir-award winning documentary about Nazi architect Albert Speer is challenging the film’s accuracy, claiming the filmmakers put words in his — and Speer’s — mouth." --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

WiR priorities for July

We are in the process of preparing our WiR events for July. As there didn't seem to be any strong new priorities, I have suggested "Award winners" (for which can draw on various redlists) and a geofocus on the "Baltic states" (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania). Up to now, there have been no responses on our Ideas page but I would welcome reactions or other suggestions on how we should proceed.--Ipigott (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Missing articles by nationality not generating

I've had some issues with the automatically generated list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/New Zealand not displaying people that I've made Wikidata entries for, such as Claire Regnault (Q112644152) and Kuni Kaa Jenkins (Q112640198), even though they have the WikiData items 'human' 'female' and 'New Zealand'. Does anyone know why they're not being displayed? --Prosperosity (talk) 02:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Main issue was the SPARQL underlying the report being limited to 1000 rows (and after deduplication of those rows, yielded about 870 table rows). I've removed the limit from the report, which now produces ~2200 rows in the table, including Claire Regnault and Kuni Kaa Jenkins. Whether or not wikidata redlists should be limited in length, and what those limits should be, is discussed here from time to time; the balance, roughly, is between comprehensive versus usable lists ... browsers don't work too well with multi-thousand row tables. Besides all that, the tool which generates redlists is defective in several respects, including just not getting around to refreshing pages; the tool owner not interested in acknowleding nor fixing the issues. So there we are. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! That there were 870 entries on a 1,000 person list confused me, making me think it wasn't the article limit. --Prosperosity (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, it looked odd. The SPARQL uses ?item wdt:P27|wdt:P17|wdt:P495|wdt:P1532 wd:Q664 . which translates to any item that has 'country of citizenship', 'country', 'country of origin' or 'country for sport' set to New Zealand. A single item can have a couple of those - citizenship, sport - and if so will forms two rows in the initial select, one for each property statement; both counted against the limit. After selecting 1000 rows, Listeria deduplicates the items b/c it's designed to emit a single row per item table, and voila, 870 or howevermany items. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

"Digital activists are using Wikipedia to change the narrative around women and climate work"

Shout-out to our year-long climate initiative: "Digital activists are using Wikipedia to change the narrative around women and climate work" by Jessica Kutz at The 19th. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Rosiestep, for linking to this interesting article. Unfortunately, we seem to be adding less than 15 new articles a month under "Climate". We should all try to spend more time on this important area if we are to have real impact. Nevertheless, I see Wikipedia already has 92 listed in Category:Women climatologists, 286 in Category:Women ecologists, as well as quite a number under Category:Women earth scientists and its various subcategories. We have a List of climate scientists but it might help if we developed a List of women climate scientists where we could also add pertinent women from all the related areas. If there is interest in this, I could make a start on it myself, perhaps working on a country-by-country basis as in similar lists. This could, for instance, help to encourage coverage of more women from some of the African countries lacking visibility.--Ipigott (talk) 09:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marylize Biubwa

Project members may wish to comment at this AFD.4meter4 (talk) 01:53, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Maybe those interested in her story could expand the article on the basis of the many additional sources at AfD.--Ipigott (talk) 06:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Guidance on improving poorly sourced article: Susy Schultz

This article on Susy Schultz is up for deletion. The discussion so far supports keeping but I'm trying to improve the sourcing so it doesn’t end back there. The subject does seem to meet notability guidelines but some of the information is not sourced and I have not yet been able to verify. There are sections that read like a resume or professional bio and are similar to her public LinkedIn profile (I'm not suggesting this has been used as a source though). My dilemma:

• How do editors decide when to remove unverifiable information?
• How to strike the balance between ensuring a biography is properly sourced and therefore preventing deletion due to unverified information, and including enough information in an article to support notability?
• To what extent does one consider the fact that information on women and information from the early days of the internet can be more difficult to source?

I’m still learning the ropes of Wikipedia so appreciate any advice folks can provide. Thanks BLELicaN (talk) 14:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi and welcome @BLELicaN! As far as notability is concerned, unverified information doesn’t help and if the person is still living, WP:BLP mostly discourages including it. To find more sources that may not be googleable, you could apply for a free Newspapers.com account through WP:Library (NB: there may be a minimum edit count requirement; I can’t recall). I see this subject mentioned in that database but my account renewal is currently pending or I would clip them for you now. Hope this general direction helps tho! Innisfree987 (talk) 04:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Closed as keep. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Looking for sports WikiProjects

Possibly an out-of-subject matter but I'm wondering if there are any sport WikiProjects on judo, table tennis and tennis as I am mostly making women's biographies in these sports. If somebody knows of any then is it possible if you could either send me an invite or link me to one of the WikiProjects. Thanks! SarahTHunter (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

SarahTHunter Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis exists, Wikipedia:WikiProject Table tennis is semi active and Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts should cover judo. Generally, if you want to join a WP, you just add your name to a list like Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Participants. TSventon (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Pipaluk Freuchen - concerns about WP:Synth

Hello all, I nominated Pipaluk Freuchen for a DYK recently, and during the review @Vladimir.copic kindly shared their concerns that the article might be a bit close to WP:Synth and perhaps notability, I would really welcome other people's views, particularly if they support @Vladimir.copic - we're all always learning! Link the DYK nomination is here Lajmmoore (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Lajmmoore: Looks to me as if you're doing a pretty good job on this. I see you've already linked to Vejen Kunstmuseum but there seem to be a few interesting items towards the end of the article.--Ipigott (talk) 09:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Lajmmoore, I think Vladimir.copic's concerns about notability were reasonable, as DYK articles are required to comply with Wikipedia policies. I didn’t see any synthesis, except "During a career as a children's writer", which I don’t think is supported by the references.

There should be more information available via Scandinavian newspapers.

• https://www2.statsbiblioteket.dk/mediestream/avis/search/Pipaluk%20Freuchen Danish newspaper search 1,449 hits, without snippets
• https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22Pipaluk%20Freuchen%22&mediatype=aviser Norwegian newspaper search 164 hits, with snippets
• https://tidningar.kb.se/?q=Pipaluk%20Freuchen Swedish newspaper search 190 hits, with snippets

For example, there was a short obituary in Dagens Nyheter at https://www.dn.se/arkiv/familj/dodsfall-utlandet-1999-04-15-2/

The Berlingske Tidende article dated 10 April 1999 is presumably an obituary as well.

Sign and ping Lajmmoore. TSventon (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

TSventon Thanks so much for doing such a thorough search - I've added these sources to the article's talk page, since the review is OK to go, and hopefully they will help visitors in the future (until I get round to adding them at least)! It's been a good lesson for me! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Bulgarian Women Scientists - useful list found

Looking around at a woman from one of the lists of red links led me to a useful-looking source (cited in her Bulgarian Wiki article): "Women in the History of the Academic Science in Bulgaria" It's a 354-page pdf, with the introduction in English as well as Bulgarian, and the names are transliterated although the main text is in Bulgarian but should be carefully translatable as they follow a standard layout. Such a long list that inclusion in it probably doesn't imply notability, but could be useful factual info to support any Bulgarian scientific bios. PamD 10:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red in July 2022

Women in Red July 2022, Vol 8, Issue 7, Nos 214, 217, 234, 235 Online events: New: Alphabet Run: A to B | Baltic States Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Women in Green's Good Article Editathon: July 2022 – Women and the Environment Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ann-Karin Müller

Project members may wish to comment here. Her name is spelled incorrectly in the AFD title because the article itself was titled incorrectly. (I just moved it). This may have impacted source searches by commenters at this discussion. All opinions welcome. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Quickly kept after the move. Johnbod (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Maryly Van Leer Peck

I came across this article today after this conversation at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Need help completing AfD - Articles created by some sock obsessed with the Van Leer family. AFD tag was placed and then removed by another editor. There is currently a related discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive editing by 50.45.170.185. All of this to say, any help in improving the state of the article, double checking facts (given the history of a problematic sock puppet Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dcgene) and providing better referencing would be much appreciated. I think the time is worth it given she is in the Florida Women's Hall of Fame. I would hate to see this taken to AFD. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 02:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Keffals

Quick heads-up on Keffals, currently at AfD. Noteworthy point is the nominator and at least one of the contributors being single purpose accouns with zero other edits. Obvs WP is used as a platform by pressure groups; Keffals is a trans activist. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Anyone fancy working on Swedish female author bios with me?

I've been slowly working on this for a few months and only just got to the end of the A's. Now it's the B's and there's a good number to do. The subject matter's normally pretty interesting, and makes a change from the milhist stuff I've worked on elsewhere on this here wiki. My favourite so far was Lis Asklund. FOARP (talk) 19:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

FOARP: I see you have adopted a very systematic approach to Swedish writers. I have contributed many biographies of Swedish women from a variety of fields (most recently opera) but I usually start by examining their coverage in biographical dictionaries or similar dependable resources. In the case of writers, I see there are still a few with names including A or B in Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon which usually includes coverage in English. If notability is reflected in at least two other reliable sources, I may well create biographies but will also be looking for women in areas such as art, music, dance and theatre. I'll keep and eye on your Bs and try to avoid duplication. Thanks for all your work on the As. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott! Yeah it's definitely not the case that every one of the women on that list is sufficiently notable for an article (at least based on the sources I've got access to) which is why I've been marking a lot of them as  Not done, though for some of them I'm pretty sure that someone with better sources than me could probably do something for them. Normally I would create articles more organically than this but this systemised approach does have the advantage of delivering more variety because each one may be a completely different person with different history. A number did not have NE articles but were still quite notable, so it did also give them coverage, others did have NE articles but I could not find any coverage in other sources for them. FOARP (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

FOARP, I have had a look at Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon and merged 9 duplicate Wikidata items. I don't think any of them were authors. TSventon (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

TSventon: Useful work. There are indeed many duplicates on Wikilinks, especially as all those covered in SKBL have been included. FOARP may like to know I am developing a biography of the writer Abela Gullbransson (for the As) based in part on SKBL.--Ipigott (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Tagishsimon the Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon redlist has not updated since 23 June 2022‎ and the result when I selected the update button was Killed by OS for overloading memory. Can anything be done, I have read that removing the country column sometimes helps? TSventon (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red Translation Contest | April-May-June 2022

WiR Translation Contest 2022 logo

The three month Women in Red Translation Contest ended on June 3oth. There were 26 active participants, with 455 articles translated. Translations were submitted from 45 languages from Afrikaans to Vietnamese. The list of articles can be found on the Translation Contest page

Competing for badges, barnstars and bragging rights; the Contest winners are:

• Winner: Dandilero with 92 new articles
• Second place: Roundtheworld with 72 new articles
• Third place: Fixer88 with 71 new articles

• Roundtheworld translated from 24 languages!

Thank you to everyone who participated. The final results tabulations can be veiwed at the Contest talk page

To those who participated, please feel free to self-report here on your translation experiences and share any tips or resources you discovered.

Congratulations for a great contest. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, WomenArtistUpdates, for this useful summary and for all you have done to make the contest a success. Thanks also to Rosiestep for suggesting the contest in the first place. I must say how impressed I have been with the general quality of translation and with the amount of detail included even by those who were most active. As the contest ran so smoothly, it might be a good idea to have a repeat, perhaps in 2024 by which time there should many more biographies in other languages.--Ipigott (talk) 09:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

My thanks, too, WomenArtistUpdates. I think these are great results: 455 articles & 45 languages. Great results as in omg wow! Maybe it would be worthwhile to inform The Signpost folks? Also, must comment on the logo... it's beautiful and at a glance, understandable. Last but not least, I agree with Ipigott that we should consider repeating it, but I hope we don't have to wait until 2024. ;) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Well maybe we could think about a one-month focus on translation next year but a full three-month contest requires careful preparation and diverts attention from other priorities. While I don't want to damped enthusiasm, it might be useful to point our that over the three months only 26 editors contributed to the contest and that only half of these created over 10 articles. In May, for example, only six of the 20 participants contributed more than five articles each. In general, our principal events attract a wider variety of participants and also lead to more new articles. If we arrange new translation contests, we should perhaps try to increase the number of participants, perhaps by awarding prizes to new contributors (less than a year's experience) or to those contributing articles on people from defined geographical areas (Africa, Asia, Latin America).--Ipigott (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Notifying relevant WikiProjects

Hallo, I've just left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lithuania, querying what might be a Wikidata muddle about a Lithuanian award given to my "A-B" and "Geofocus Baltic States" stub Loreta Asanavičiūtė, but I noticed we don't seem to have notified that project about our Editathon. Perhaps as a matter of courtesy, but also in the hopes of recruiting more editors to write about women in their areas of interest, we should drop a standard message onto the WikiProject Talk Pages of projects in areas we're focussing on for the month: this time round, the three Baltic states ... ah, checking, I find that we did announce ourselves to Project Climate Change in Feb, so perhaps we routinely do and just missed out this one. PamD 11:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

PamD, good idea. We could make that a routine task when we coordinate each month's events, e.g., like here. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. Sorry I did not do this earlier but I seem to have been tied up with other matters.--Ipigott (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Patricia Felisa Barbeito - help with notability

I created the page Patricia Felisa Barbeito as part of #1Woman1Day. She is a literary translator who has translated several significant Greek books into English, and has won several prizes. The page was established on the basis of her translation work, but has now been flagged as failing to meet notability guidelines for academics (not writers). Can anyone help? I used English language sources, but I don't know if there are better Greek sources. - Naushervan (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I've tweaked it a bit - fixed a link which didn't work, linked the chap she translated for a prize to his Greek wiki article, sourced her prize reliably. Not sure what guidelines there are for translators but she looks solidly sourced and notable to me. PamD 08:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! - Naushervan (talk) 10:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The reviewer should be happy the tags led to improvements. Thanks, Naushervan, for the consistently high standard of the women's biographies you have been creating, already about 50 this year.--Ipigott (talk) 10:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - I had to stop in March for health reasons, but I should get back to #1Woman1Day now. - Naushervan (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Usable photo needed for Keri Blakinger

Hi all, just finished putting together an article on Keri Blakinger with Thriley. Does anyone know if there's a usable photo out there that could be used in the infobox that wouldn't be a copyvio or would work under fair use? Silverseren^C 03:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

This video is eligible for a screengrab but I had some trouble getting a shot of adequate quality. If no one has a better idea maybe it would do? Judgment call, sometimes I do think no picture can be better than a very low quality one. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I do agree with you there. The laptop camera she's using for that event isn't the best quality. I think I will at least personally pass on that source. Hopefully there's something else available out there. Silverseren^C 05:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Keffals

Quick heads-up on Keffals, currently at AfD. Noteworthy point is the nominator and at least one of the contributors being single purpose accouns with zero other edits. Obvs WP is used as a platform by pressure groups; Keffals is a trans activist. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Anyone fancy working on Swedish female author bios with me?

I've been slowly working on this for a few months and only just got to the end of the A's. Now it's the B's and there's a good number to do. The subject matter's normally pretty interesting, and makes a change from the milhist stuff I've worked on elsewhere on this here wiki. My favourite so far was Lis Asklund. FOARP (talk) 19:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

FOARP: I see you have adopted a very systematic approach to Swedish writers. I have contributed many biographies of Swedish women from a variety of fields (most recently opera) but I usually start by examining their coverage in biographical dictionaries or similar dependable resources. In the case of writers, I see there are still a few with names including A or B in Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon which usually includes coverage in English. If notability is reflected in at least two other reliable sources, I may well create biographies but will also be looking for women in areas such as art, music, dance and theatre. I'll keep and eye on your Bs and try to avoid duplication. Thanks for all your work on the As. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott! Yeah it's definitely not the case that every one of the women on that list is sufficiently notable for an article (at least based on the sources I've got access to) which is why I've been marking a lot of them as  Not done, though for some of them I'm pretty sure that someone with better sources than me could probably do something for them. Normally I would create articles more organically than this but this systemised approach does have the advantage of delivering more variety because each one may be a completely different person with different history. A number did not have NE articles but were still quite notable, so it did also give them coverage, others did have NE articles but I could not find any coverage in other sources for them. FOARP (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

FOARP, I have had a look at Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon and merged 9 duplicate Wikidata items. I don't think any of them were authors. TSventon (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

TSventon: Useful work. There are indeed many duplicates on Wikilinks, especially as all those covered in SKBL have been included. FOARP may like to know I am developing a biography of the writer Abela Gullbransson (for the As) based in part on SKBL.--Ipigott (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Tagishsimon the Svenskt kvinnobiografiskt lexikon redlist has not updated since 23 June 2022‎ and the result when I selected the update button was Killed by OS for overloading memory. Can anything be done, I have read that removing the country column sometimes helps? TSventon (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red Translation Contest | April-May-June 2022

WiR Translation Contest 2022 logo

The three month Women in Red Translation Contest ended on June 3oth. There were 26 active participants, with 455 articles translated. Translations were submitted from 45 languages from Afrikaans to Vietnamese. The list of articles can be found on the Translation Contest page

Competing for badges, barnstars and bragging rights; the Contest winners are:

• Winner: Dandilero with 92 new articles
• Second place: Roundtheworld with 72 new articles
• Third place: Fixer88 with 71 new articles

• Roundtheworld translated from 24 languages!

Thank you to everyone who participated. The final results tabulations can be veiwed at the Contest talk page

To those who participated, please feel free to self-report here on your translation experiences and share any tips or resources you discovered.

Congratulations for a great contest. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, WomenArtistUpdates, for this useful summary and for all you have done to make the contest a success. Thanks also to Rosiestep for suggesting the contest in the first place. I must say how impressed I have been with the general quality of translation and with the amount of detail included even by those who were most active. As the contest ran so smoothly, it might be a good idea to have a repeat, perhaps in 2024 by which time there should many more biographies in other languages.--Ipigott (talk) 09:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

My thanks, too, WomenArtistUpdates. I think these are great results: 455 articles & 45 languages. Great results as in omg wow! Maybe it would be worthwhile to inform The Signpost folks? Also, must comment on the logo... it's beautiful and at a glance, understandable. Last but not least, I agree with Ipigott that we should consider repeating it, but I hope we don't have to wait until 2024. ;) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Well maybe we could think about a one-month focus on translation next year but a full three-month contest requires careful preparation and diverts attention from other priorities. While I don't want to damped enthusiasm, it might be useful to point our that over the three months only 26 editors contributed to the contest and that only half of these created over 10 articles. In May, for example, only six of the 20 participants contributed more than five articles each. In general, our principal events attract a wider variety of participants and also lead to more new articles. If we arrange new translation contests, we should perhaps try to increase the number of participants, perhaps by awarding prizes to new contributors (less than a year's experience) or to those contributing articles on people from defined geographical areas (Africa, Asia, Latin America).--Ipigott (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Notifying relevant WikiProjects

Hallo, I've just left a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lithuania, querying what might be a Wikidata muddle about a Lithuanian award given to my "A-B" and "Geofocus Baltic States" stub Loreta Asanavičiūtė, but I noticed we don't seem to have notified that project about our Editathon. Perhaps as a matter of courtesy, but also in the hopes of recruiting more editors to write about women in their areas of interest, we should drop a standard message onto the WikiProject Talk Pages of projects in areas we're focussing on for the month: this time round, the three Baltic states ... ah, checking, I find that we did announce ourselves to Project Climate Change in Feb, so perhaps we routinely do and just missed out this one. PamD 11:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

PamD, good idea. We could make that a routine task when we coordinate each month's events, e.g., like here. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. Sorry I did not do this earlier but I seem to have been tied up with other matters.--Ipigott (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Patricia Felisa Barbeito - help with notability

I created the page Patricia Felisa Barbeito as part of #1Woman1Day. She is a literary translator who has translated several significant Greek books into English, and has won several prizes. The page was established on the basis of her translation work, but has now been flagged as failing to meet notability guidelines for academics (not writers). Can anyone help? I used English language sources, but I don't know if there are better Greek sources. - Naushervan (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I've tweaked it a bit - fixed a link which didn't work, linked the chap she translated for a prize to his Greek wiki article, sourced her prize reliably. Not sure what guidelines there are for translators but she looks solidly sourced and notable to me. PamD 08:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! - Naushervan (talk) 10:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The reviewer should be happy the tags led to improvements. Thanks, Naushervan, for the consistently high standard of the women's biographies you have been creating, already about 50 this year.--Ipigott (talk) 10:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - I had to stop in March for health reasons, but I should get back to #1Woman1Day now. - Naushervan (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Usable photo needed for Keri Blakinger

Hi all, just finished putting together an article on Keri Blakinger with Thriley. Does anyone know if there's a usable photo out there that could be used in the infobox that wouldn't be a copyvio or would work under fair use? Silverseren^C 03:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

This video is eligible for a screengrab but I had some trouble getting a shot of adequate quality. If no one has a better idea maybe it would do? Judgment call, sometimes I do think no picture can be better than a very low quality one. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I do agree with you there. The laptop camera she's using for that event isn't the best quality. I think I will at least personally pass on that source. Hopefully there's something else available out there. Silverseren^C 05:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

BLPN discussion re: Image for Jessica Cisneros

This discussion may be of interest to WiR. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The Hite Report

I stumbled upon this in List of best-selling books#More than 100 million copies, which makes it apparently the third best non-fiction book to be sold in the world.

Which lead to my surprise that we have very little information on the topic. Hite's article only mentions she wrote a thing called The Hite Report, but little else. So I thought I'd bring it here as something of interest to the project. Probably worth its own article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

RfC re: Images of Jessica Cisneros

This discussion may be of interest to WiR. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

We're in the news

this is a nice story which results from our collaboration with CARE and Wikimedia_UK (as mentioned above). Its written by Helen Pankhurst who I had the pleasure of teaching to edit at our BBC event some years ago and we have been in contact ever since. It lacks links to ourselves and WMUK but the links have been requested to be included when possible. Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Very nice, Roger, and a thank you to Helen Pankhurst. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll take you word for it, Roger, but it's a pity password-based registration is required for access to the full article. Maybe you could provide a more "open" summary.--Ipigott (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I've just found a fully accessible version on Yahoo. Good to have attention drawn to the need for better coverage of women on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 06:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I think you need to have another click around Ian. An account is ~"encouraged" but is not essential. It is possible to read the article, and I have just managed to add a comment to it - and I do not have an account (although the Independant is IMO a very good paper). Victuallers (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Roger, but even if it's free I don't like having to register anywhere with a password, email address, etc. It usually means lots of messages inviting me to subscribe at special rates. I saw all the comments, including yours without having to register. I must say most of them are surprisingly critical of what Pankhurst said about football. It will be interesting to see whether the article encourages better coverage of all those participating in the women's Euros. I see if you click on the countries listed on UEFA Women's Euro 2022, you can find the names of all those on the various national teams and recent call-ups. While most have already been covered, quite a few are still redlisted for Iceland and Austria, while one or two remain to be covered for Denmark, Belgium, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, and Northern Ireland. There are also a few redlinked call-ups for the Netherlands and a couple for Germany. Not too sure whether this should be brought to the attention of CARE, WMUK or any other interested parties.--Ipigott (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Not very impressed - "Although the proportion of female MPs in the UK is at an all-time high, they still – again shamefully – only account for 34 per cent of MPs in total and only 28 per cent of peers are female. Wikipedia reflects and exacerbates this inequality: only 13.3 per cent of profiles on politicians are about women." Do I need to point out the sloppy thinking here? Johnbod (talk) 14:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

What happens next? Is CARE planning some Zoom or in-person editathons? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Thats my understanding Rosie, but not sure of details. I'm keen to get CARE editting and responding here. There is a monthly editathon for WIR (but not in the next few weeks). The other useful point is Ian's and I know that they are aware of our footballer redlist. I looked, as you did, at the Lionesses who are all blue, Northern Ireland has a few women in red but not in the main team (bar 1). The important point is raising the profile of the gender gap. I did look to see how many people visited our main page and I was stunned to see that it was 500 visits a day, every day! Well done. Be interesting to see if it increases tomorrow. Victuallers (talk) 15:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The banner seems to have helped. There were over a thousand page views on the 6th.--Ipigott (talk) 05:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Encouragement not reflected in new articles

I was hoping this motivating presentation would have resulted in a surge in biographies of women over the past couple of days. I'm afraid I was sadly disappointed. According to our July metrics, on 6 July, there were 27 new biographies and on 7 July, 31 new biographies. On the same dates in 2021, there were 81 on the 6th and 51 on the 7th. Maybe this is partly a result of the WiR priorities which last year included the Olympics. Even so....--Ipigott (talk) 17:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Elena Bunina, former CEO of Yandex

I just learned of Elena Bunina. Created a brief stub for her. After leaving her position early, she moved to Israel due to disillusionment with Russia. I assume her former position as CEO makes her notable? Thriley (talk) 02:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley she is certainly notable, not sure why English-language press ignored her until the move to Israel. Added a few links to coverage in major Ru media to Talk:Elena Bunina#Notability and views PaulT2022 (talk) 18:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

#ChangeTheStory

After a long pregnancy .... WikimediaUK and CareInternational are partnering with us to try and assist our prime objective and to raise our profile in the UK. They are intending to have a changing theme over the next few months and they will imminently be running a banner on the en:Wiki in the UK.

The partnership has been quiet since an abortive run for International Women's Day (March 8) was cancelled by "Ukraine" becoming CARE International's main priority. We are trying to encourage the project to discuss their ideas at our ideas page so that we better co-ordinate. The banner looks like this:

One of Wikimedia UK's leads is @Richard Nevell (WMUK): and we anticipate that this will lead to even more volunteers, more articles and the needle pushing towards 20%. It is worth remembering that there have been over 60 editathons organised by WMUK in Edinburgh - I went to a virtual one last Friday and I hope to attend another (about diversity as well as WiR) in person tomorrow. Victuallers (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi folks! Pretty much what Victuallers says, and it will also be an opportunity to draw some attention to the good work WiR have already done. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Victuallers and Richard Nevell (WMUK): I am excited to see this! Not sure of the scope of what y'all are talking about, but we have a woeful gap in our knowledge even of women, i.e. Black women, specifically those who worked in Brixton, Moss Side, and Paddington in the 1950s-1970s period. If there was a way establish connections with the Black Cultural Archives or other such groups in the UK like the Windrush Foundation, that might help address the problem. It isn't just that there aren't articles, there are also virtually no photographs on commons that deal with the community or the social movements surrounding them. Victuallers is aware of the issues experienced on taking Olive Morris to FA, but recently published Gerlin Bean has no, zip, zero nada photographs. Though we had a group of people looking for images of Bean, Abeng Centre (7 Gresham Road, is now called Karibu Center), 70s Coffee Bar (70 Harrow Road), Afiwe School (held in Santley School, which closed in 1997), 7 Canterbury Crescent, 3 & 5 Gresham Road, 61 Golborne Road, Ansel Wong, Reverend Anthony Ottey, Gloria Cameron, Mabel Carter, Lu Garvey, Tony Soares, Olive Morris, Zainab Abbas, Beverley Bryan, Liz Obi, Gail Lewis, or Stella Dadzie absolutely nothing was found that could be used on commons. We need more access to both resource materials and photographs. SusunW (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Thats timely SusunW, I've been accused (with humour) of being obsessed with "getting more images". Your message above justifies (some of) my weird behaviour. People are not going to see more black women until we add more pictures of them.. and that goes equally for those with disabilities including those who lack a Y chromosome. (A fairly frequest condition I understand that affects over 50% of the population at large but less that 20% on wiki :-).) I think this is something we should consider paying for. I'd like to find the funding to send a photographer to an awards evening, to a graduate show, to a women's football match, to Brixton, a pride event ... to just take photos and load them to commons. Not arty well posed photos that take an hour to pose, but just well framed snaps with well written licences delivered on a piece rate. We do have Wikipedians who know how to do this (esp. WMUK) and we have others I know who are horns of (photographic) plenty. US gov are very good at this but we need to find a university and a learned society, a football club etc who are willing to experiment with this change. Victuallers (talk) 20:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes to all of that! A picture is worth a thousand words, and gee, how you get around "illustrated with appropriate photographs" for a good article nomination when there are absolutely none, I have no clue. Current or historic photos of women are definitely lacking. I literally thought I should take my camera and just go take photos, for Bean's article, but figured it'd be a wee bit of a far walk from Mexico. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

So happy to see this campaign being promoted here on our talkpage. Thank you, @Victuallers, Richard Nevell (WMUK), and Lajmmoore for all the behind-the-scenes work you've put into this over the last few months! Any info yet regarding the changing themes? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll double check the themes and get back to you early next week. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

On the subject of people going to events and taking photos, that is certainly worth doing. Where it incurs costs, that might be something that Wikimedia UK can cover through our grants system: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Grants It's fairly light touch and goes up to £250. With the ever rising cost of train travel, it's definitely worth pursuing.

It doesn't help with people who were active in the mid-20th century. It's a tricky situation where the images aren't old enough to generally be in the public domain, but the subjects or photographers may be hard to find and take photos of now for various reasons. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Banner in the UK today

Update - If you are not on en:wiki or in the UK then this is what it looks like today. Be interesting to see if we get new members or new hits on the WIR pages. Victuallers (talk) 07:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Covering the performing arts in New Zealand

"Getting the arts ‘wiki-fied’ through volunteer edit-a-thons " by Wikipedian Lisa Maule documents success in New Zealand in writing about people from the performing arts by arranging a series of editathons.--Ipigott (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Kia ora koutou. I am Lisa - my username is Pakoire (talk). If you want to see more about these projects and how and why they were created you can find links to the projects on my user page. If you have time to contribute then many of the new articles are able to be expanded. The projects cover performing arts, music, events, behind the scenes and Pacific Arts, weavers, fine artists, curators and more. Pakoire (talk) 22:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Pakoire: Thanks for identifying yourself. Please keep us informed of any further initiatives along these lines and let us know if there's anything specific we can do to help, for example by working on draft articles which are close to article space requirements.--Ipigott (talk) 10:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Katarina Popović - Midžina

This is another one from the IP editor in Windsor who writes about Serbian women. The notability claim in the article (author of first modern Serbian cookbook) has me pretty confident that the subject is notable, but it needs reliable sources, which are probably not forthcoming from this IP editor. Might be an interesting project for someone here...? -- asilvering (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Margaret Briggs Gregory Hawkins

Would anyone be interested in adopting this draft? It looks like it was written as an undergraduate project by an editor who has since abandoned it. I removed the most obvious WP:OR and cleaned up some of the references, but there's more to do before this can leave draftspace. -- asilvering (talk) 00:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Looks to me as if the sections on "Colored Young Women's Christian Association" and "Colored Women's Suffrage Club or the Progressive Women's Suffrage Club" should be covered in separate articles (or covered more extensively in pertinent existing articles) and that the section on "National Association of Colored Women" should be shortened as it is already covered under National Association of Colored Women's Clubs. Otherwise the article certainly seems to be a candidate for article space.--Ipigott (talk) 06:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Ian's analysis. However I've tidied up references some more, and promoted it; there's no reason, now that Asilvering's de-ORd it, that further work cannot be done in article space. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I've added her to Hawkins (name). Not sure what "The AFRO League held various names due to groups flooded together," means - does it mean "The AFRO League held various names due to groups merging together,"? I see she's got good incoming redirects already, as well as being mentioned in a massive template. I piped her name there, to avoid the redirect; then decided to check how she was actually described in the Hall of Fame list ... and discovered that there are probably almost 200 broken links on the page Maryland Women's Hall of Fame because the URLs have been changed. I updated hers, but if anyone has a particular interest in Maryland, or a way to quickly update the URL in 200 links (change "womenshall" to "womenshallfame", it seems), you might like to have a look! PamD 18:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

PamD, I have changed the links as suggested by copying the wikicode into a wordprocessor document and using find and replace. The links I tested now work. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thanks! I could have done the same I suppose, but couldn't summon the enthusiasm. I fall down enough wiki-rabbit-holes as it is, including my route to Maryland. PamD 15:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Martha Grey, (the black) Countess of Stamford - a tidy up?

Hello all! As some of you know, I'm working on a paid editing pilot for National Trust, and just today I came across this biography of Martha Grey, Countess of Stamford, which I added a Fair Use image to, but could do with a bit of a tidy up (& perhaps further referencing). Its beyond the scope of my NT work, as the focus there is really on property-based content, so I wondered if anyone here had the inclination to make some gentle improvements? Many thanks, and hope you don't mind me posting. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I've added her to Grey (surname) (I'm not sure how worthwhile these surname lists are, but as they exist we need to make sure our women are on them - though I'm afraid don't bother with lists like Martha (given name), which seem really pointless!) I also named and linked her, twice, in Earl of Stamford. There's interesting stuff in the sources, not least about her colour - she is variously described as "It is not true that the was a negress ... a light-brown lady ..." (Stamford peerage ref) while the Ext Link says "Articles in the Chicago Tribune of 1907 and 1910 refer to Martha as “coal black” and a “black Hottentot”. The Aspen Daily Times of 1895 wrote that “The coal black Hottentot widow of the late earl of Stamford is still living.”. Interesting stuff there. PamD 16:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

And was her dad from Wellington (NZ) or the lesser-known (to me, anyway) Wellington, South Africa? Presumably the latter, but it would be nice to know and to link it. PamD 16:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much @PamD ! Lajmmoore (talk) 06:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

• PamD: I'm not too sure how useful lists of common surnames like Grey are but for some of the less common ones (such as mine for example), interesting family relationships can be found. I also frequently make use of these lists when writing biographies of people from Scandinavia or the rest of Europe. They can be quite revealing. Your own work in this connection is appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 05:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

WP:CBB

Would someone from your WikiProject be able to update the community bulletin board with the new events from Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Events each month, like how Tenryuu updates the GOCE events each month? The last time it was updated by the WikiProject was for the March 2021 (!), events, which somehow stayed in the bulletin board until June 2022. Refrain from using a table or fancy formatting, but feel free to take up multiple lines, since you guys have a bunch of events. Thank you! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 13:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi PerfectSoundWhatever and thanks for stopping by. I, for one, didn't realize Women in Red would be welcome to update the Community Bulletin Board, so I'm grateful for your invitation. Please check if I did it correctly for July. We can add it to our monthly task list if others here think it would be useful to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Rosiestep! Essentially any WikiProject is welcome to add to the CBB, that's the whole point of it . You may choose to type out the events however you want (excluding fancy formatting)— if you wanted, you could give a little description of each, but how it is currently is fine. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 14:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

This is new to me, PerfectSoundWhatever, but with an average of over 4,000 page views a month, it obviously deserves out attention. I'll keep it in mind for future updates.--Ipigott (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Increasing participation of underrepresented editors

I've started a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias#Being more welcoming to new editors about increasing participation of underrepresented editors. Saw the banner about representation of women and decided to post here in case if it might be of an interest. I think the issues I raise there are relevant to increasing women participation - at least this is my impression from talking with women I know who tried to edit Wikipedia and quickly gave up. PaulT2022 (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

PaulT2022: Thanks for these interesting suggestions. I've commented on them briefly under your link. As you are a new editor yourself and have been working on the biography of Tamara Eidelman, you might be interested in becoming a member of Women in Red. You can join via the box at the top of our main project page.--Ipigott (talk) 09:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad to see there is now a draft covering these points to which anyone can contribute. I think it would be useful if women editors in particular could provide support, including any additional items or concerns which may be useful to newcomers. We certainly need to provide further encouragement to new editors, especially those interested in improving our coverage of women and their achievements. Any assistance in encouraging existing editors to join our efforts on Women in Red would also be appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 08:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Business executive Julie Sweet

Hello, editors! I'm curious if any WikiProject Women in Red members might be interested in reviewing this request to update the article for Julie Sweet, an American business executive serving as the chair and CEO of the Fortune Global 500 company Accenture. You'll see my request seeks to add some basic information to her biography, such as the fact that she is now chair, she was ranked number 1 on Fortune's Most Powerful Women list in 2020, and some of her board work. I recognize that this WikiProject is focused on creating articles, but I thought the request might appeal to editors who wish to see Wikipedia content continually updated with the accomplishments of women once these articles are live.

If anyone is interested in the company she leads, I've also posted another request at Talk:Accenture. I've submitted these requests on behalf of Accenture, as disclosed appropriately on both Talk pages. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

• Sounds like a sweet deal! So to speak. First one done, also added an image. --GRuban (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
  • @Inkian Jason: Second one only partly done, as explained there, with details of how you can try again. Thank you, your requests are well formed and well cited, apologies you had to wait over a month for them. If you have other requests that take more than a week or so, please feel free to ping me directly. I don't know much about Accenture, but will be better than noone. Many good editors feel answering paid requests to be dirty or something similar, but someone does have to do it, so I'm willing to be an occasional janitor. --GRuban (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Can anyone who knows how to search Polish sources verify Anna Potok facts please?

The specific facts for Anna Potok that need a RS to confirm as someone just pulled their source as being self-created. - I have no reason to query their veracity because the other facts on Prabook have been confirmed correct via other sources, but was the only source that gave these (which I'm guessing must have been input by family given that everything else matches up perfectly with data in RS).

• Wedding date of 7 July 1930 (must be a marriage record in Poland, although I guess maybe destroyed during the War?)
• Received the Order of Polonia Restituta in 1934 (this is a big deal, if Prabook is correct. There MUST be official records of the recipents, I'm assuming in Poland/Polish texts? Even with a year to search, Google isn't much use.)
• Buried in Plainfield, Vermont (Her son lives in Vermont, so that's very credible).

I suspect I need someone who knows how to search Polish records to confirm the first two, but I have no reason to query any of these statements. Thank you so much! Mabalu (talk) 22:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Just checking in - anyone able to help? Mabalu (talk) 22:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Mabalu, the disputed website appears to have copied content from page 288 of Who was who in America, Volume 9, 1989, Marquis-Who's Who, possibly via https://books.google.com/books?id=23kYAAAAIAAJ, so that should be a better reference. The wedding date should be July 12 1930 and her burial place is not mentioned. TSventon (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much indeed! Much appreciated. Mabalu (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Piotrus, can you help here? According to page 288 of Who was who in America, Volume 9, 1989, Marquis-Who's Who, via https://books.google.com/books?id=23kYAAAAIAAJ, Potok was honoured with "Restituta Pologna ( Poland ) . 1934 ." Do you know how to find the official award of the Order of Polonia Restituta like this for Józef Beck? TSventon (talk) 11:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon What do you mean, find? Do you want to find the PRIMARY source (Polish gov't document) confirming the award? Many are digitized, this is the search engine [6], but I am not sure if they are OCRed. Could search by name, if not, will have to look through a bunch of documents issued that year... Try this query: https://isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/search.xsp?status=O&year=1934&title=Odrodzenia+Polski _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Piotrus, yes, I wanted to find the primary (Polish gov't) source if possible, but the search engine (and google translate) didn't give an option for searching for a name. Thank you for taking a look, the search you suggest produces five documents which do not mention Potok (or Józef Beck). It may be the records are incomplete or the search is complex even for a Polish speaker. TSventon (talk) 08:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon I concur - I double checked those docs and none of them mention her. I didn't get any hits for my Polish language query trying to confirm she received such an award (but Polish literary corpus is not fully digitized yet). I am not aware of any online database we could verify this fact in, so yeah, we just have the English-language source of mediocre reliability for this. It's not a controversial claim, but it may be wrong. Would be good to note this on the article's talk page for future research. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Linda Adler-Kassner

Hello everyone,

WikiProject Writing has been working on a draft article for writing scholar Linda Adler-Kassner but have been running into issues establishing notability and weeding out promotional language as mentioned by the article reviewers. We believe we have adequately established notability by mentioning her work with the Obama administration and her national awards but are still experiencing some issues. Would love any advice, input, or edits from WIR participants! Breadyornot (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Breadyornot, my bet for the easiest way to establish notability will be to add references to reviews of her books, like the ones found here for The Activist WPA, to satisfy WP:NAUTHOR. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I've done some copyediting for tone, but it still looks a lot like a CV listing a series of (what look like) fairly routine academic achievements. I agree that it would be best to establish notability by focusing on her writing. Briefly describe each of her books, including their reception in the academic community as supported by published book reviews. It's challenging to establish Wikipedia notability through volume of achievements: rather focus on one or two achievements which have been the subject of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. pburka (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I would remove the routine accomplishments, like the entire teaching section (except for where she has held a faculty position), committee memberships, and conference talks. Those look like padding and end up making the article look less notable, not more. The part that makes her look notable is the books and the awards for the books. I would echo the advice above, to seek out published reviews of the books and use those as references. If she has multiple authored books with multiple reviews, then a case can be made for WP:AUTHOR notability. If the books are edited rather than authored, they would count for less, but their reviews would still be helpful to include. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

One review each for the most notable publications have been added, but the link citations need to be cleaned up and the material better incorporated. https://reflectionsjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/V8.N1.Lamos_.Steve_-1.pdf https://uobrep.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10547/622062/namingwhatweknow.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y The subject is also mentioned in this article - but I do not have full access: https://www.chronicle.com/article/students-come-to-college-thinking-theyve-mastered-writing/ Dr. B.C. Ernst (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Can someone check the notability of a draft article?

Hi all

I've drafted an article for an author I like, please could someone check the references I've used reach notability? User:John Cummings/Articles/Laila Woozeer. I haven't quite finished the text yet, but mainly worried its going to be flagged as non notable because their writing and interviews are mainly published in sources aimed at women.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

It all depends on the book. Are there dead tree reviews? Johnbod (talk) 02:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jon, I don't know what this means. John Cummings (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

John Cummings, I think Johnbod's question is, are there any reviews which are published in printed form (on dead trees), but not available online? TSventon (talk) 11:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Just that. Johnbod (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I believe Cosmopolitan and Stylist are both print publications but not sure how I would find out if it was printed in the actual magazines. Also does it matter if it was or not if it's the same publication?

Cheers

John Cummings (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

John Cummings, I may be stating the obvious, but ideally you want to meet WP:NBASIC, "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." WP:THREE is a useful first step to showing this: what are the three best sources you have found so far? The draft has 27 sources, but not all of them contribute to NBASIC. TSventon (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi TSventon Thanks very much for taking it back to basics, i think the sources that contribute to this are

• https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/g15922606/new-good-books-to-read/
• https://mashable.com/article/not-quite-white-book-extract-laila-woozeer
• https://www.buzzfeed.com/genamourbarrett/a-woman-wrote-about-what-its-like-to-be-a-person-of-colour-o
• https://www.stylist.co.uk/books/best-non-fiction-books-2020/300959

What I'm concerned about is the gap between the rules and what actually happens. I don't often write articles about people but I'm certainly aware of a double standard on Wikipedia undervaluing sources primarily aimed at women as less notable and a general higher bar for articles about women to be accepted.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

From my view, the WP:THREE essay does not completely reflect the WP:BASIC guideline, which includes, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. Depending on the depth of coverage in each source, more than three sources may be needed to support WP:BASIC notability, and I think it is important to focus on the secondary aspect of coverage and whether it has been WP:SUSTAINED. Based on my WP:BIO experience at AfD, showing there is an equivalent of WP:GNG coverage based on multiple sources per WP:BASIC can be helpful. I tend to think of it as a "notability, except backwards and in high heels" standard. Beccaynr (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Beccaynr, I agree with what you said, but I think WP:THREE is useful when an article has a lot of references, 27 in this case.

John Cummings the Cosmopolitan reference now points to July books, you could use an archived version, like

• https://web.archive.org/web/20220606132356/https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/g15922606/new-good-books-to-read/?slide=21#close TSventon (talk) 04:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much Beccaynr and TSventon, I'll finish off the text and then publish. John Cummings (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, published at Laila Woozeer, any ideas on how to make it not an orphan very appreciated. John Cummings (talk) 11:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Laila Woozeer Wolf Pack Wuthering Heights performance, 2012

Have an image! I notice you use "their" in the article, but don't cite it, probably should, preferred "they" is still rare enough to need a citation. On the other hand you also categorize the article under "20th-century British women writers", which may conflict. Or may not, gender identity can be complex. All the more reason to add a cited sentence or two as to Woozeer's gender/pronoun preference. --GRuban (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Woozeer does not use pronouns ("I use my name in lieu of pronouns."), and I edited the article for this preference while it was a draft. Maybe some hidden text could be added, or this information added to the personal life section. Beccaynr (talk) 01:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I've added it to that section. PamD 07:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)