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Tagesschau (Germany)

Hello AxG,
First of all Greetings from Spandau, part of the (former) British Sector of Berlin. You left me bazodee, or shall I write astonished and baffled. I know the Tagesschau now for almost as long as I'm born. And that's way back some decades ago, in 1965. Even if the announcement is pre-recorded, it's still read by a newsreader, usually these days, like today, by Jan Hofer, the chief-speaker (head-anchor). It is not an announcer like we know from Sky News or other TV stations. You better believe it, don't yuh? Joerg, the BajanZindy (talk) 00:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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This has been superseded by File:Currys.png. Cloudbound (talk) 10:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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This has been removed from Centrica as it has not been released yet. You could always replace the current logo with it once it is. Cloudbound (talk) 14:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. I was wondering why you keep making Fair use claims for many of the logos you upload, such as the ones for TV stations like File:ITV HD.svg, File:ITV Granada (Middle East & Asia).png, File:ITV4 HD.svg and logos for companies like File:Currys.svg, File:Dixons Travel.svg, File:British Gas logo.svg, and File:Currys Digital.svg?

Logos that consist of simple geometric shapes and text are not copyrightable and can be tagged with {{pd-textlogo}} or {{pd-text}} and {{trademark}}, along with {{SVG-Logo}} for .svg formats. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  18:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, let me tell you a little story. A couple of years ago, I was involved in a dispute at WP:FAC regarding File:Kentlogo.png. It had been the subject of a WP:Possibly unfree files discussion where it was subsequently deleted. I had argued

"I don't believe the image is copyrightable at all as nothing seems to cross the threshold of originality. It consists of an irregularly shaped pentagon. Simple geometric shapes such as pentagons cannot be copyrighted and so they are in the public domain. Inside the pentagon is a border, replicating the pentagon. Again, not copyrightable. Inside the border is a shape which resembles the punctuation symbol "caret" (^). Below the caret is a shape that resembles a W, and below that, another W with a vertical line protruding from the center point. As a tree it is a standard representation using geometric shapes. Outside the pentagon are the words "THE CITY", "OF KENT", and "⋅ OHIO ⋅". Simple typeface cannot be copyrighted. Surrounding the words "THE CITY OF KENT OHIO" is another pentagon with a border.
Because the elements that make up the logo are nothing but the colour green, geometric shapes, and letters, and/or minor variations thereof, none of which either alone or in combination meet the threshold of originality, the image is not copyrightable. Originality comprises of two parts. Independent creation (in that it has not been copied from another work), and sufficient creativity. The US Supreme Court has ruled that "the requisite level of creativity is extremely low; even a slight amount will suffice", but also noted that standard designs, figures, names, lettering, typographic ornamentation, colours, and geometric shapes, are not creative enough to be copyrightable. People often incorrectly assume that logos are copyrighted, but they aren't. Best Western have tried to copyright their logo, similar in style, three times, and have been denied each time because it consisted of a geometric border, words, and a crown that could resemble a stylised W."

Despite my argument, the file was deleted. I decided to write to the city hall of Kent, Ohio, and seek clarification with the legal department, city manager, mayor, anyone as to whether the city had registered a copyright on the logo. They hadn't, they told me that it was free to use, and their reply is now in the OTRS records. The file was restored and moved over to Commons.

By the way, it's absolutely true that Best Western Hotels' logo is in the public domain, per the say-so of the United States Copyright Office and the US Copyright Review Board. In a long-story-short version, here's why:

• http://ipmall.info/hosted_resources/CopyrightAppeals/2006/Best%20Western%20Logo.pdf is the actual document from the Copyright Review Board. It's also an interesting read if you have ten minutse to spare

• The blue area is a pentagon (albeit an irregular shaped one with rounded corners, and one that appears to be the shape of a house). Simple geometric shapes such as pentagons cannot be copyrighted and so they are in the public domain. (Even if veiwed as a representation of a building, the "building" is so generic that it cannot be copyrighted in that respect.)
• The letters "BEST WESTERN" appear inside the pentagon. Simple typeface cannot be copyrighted.
• There is a yellow pin-striped "border" within the pentagon. Again, this is a geometric shape which cannot be copyrighted.
• Whether the "W" is viewed as the letter W or as a stylised crown, it is a commonplace design; as a crown it is a standard, albeit stylized, representation of a crown, drawn from a series of lines and prongs with an added element at the top where an emblem, jewel or other decoration would normally appear on a crown; as a W it has been rendered as such many times before, and letters of the alphabet and its typeface cannot be copyrighted.
• Because the work consists entirely of elements that are non-copyrightable the work cannot be copyrighted, even if you look at all these elements together as one piece of work rather than several individual items it still cannot be copyrighted.
• Even though someone thought of putting all these elements together in this specific manner, the arrangement and placement does not embody sufficient creativity because the lettering is all centered inside the pentagon, and the pinstripe border cannot be placed anywhere else. This is wat's known as the threshold of originality. Additionally, the US doesn't recognize or copyright sweat of the brow (creative thought) since 1991's Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service (all interesting articles).

As for the file you asked about, absolutely, File:ORF III logo.svg is tagged fine with those templates. The red rectangle and grey trapezoids are simple geometric shapes. The letters and typeface cannot be copyrighted.

The reason I think that no one has ever mentioned it before is that not many people realise, first of all, second, if they do, they're too lazy to actually change the templates when they see them, or three, it's safer to stick with a FUR than run the risk of tagging something as PD when it isn't.

The Ford, Audi, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, and Chevrolet car badges or logos are all public domain for the same reasons. They're either letters, in the case of Ford and VW, or simple geometric shapes in the case of Audi, Mercedes, Chevy and BMW. Most of the current ITV logos are PD because they are made up of the letters "ITV 1" placed on two different coloured rectangles. Even File:ITV2 logo 2008.svg. Tilting it a bit and using a 3D 2 doesn't add anything. And even the older logos like File:ITV2logo1.jpg are safe, because that's an oversized non-copyrightable "2" in a non-copyrightable square, with the non-copyrightable letters "ITV" underneath. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  07:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi AxG, I was wondering if you could be so kind as to teach me how to add/remove countries on the map? It is something I don't know how to do, but would love to learn, so that I can assist with the map in the future. Regards - Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

AxG, I was doing a browse on JESC articles, and noticed that the File:JESC_2012_Map.svg isn't actually saved in SVG format, but has been altered into PNG format, and the file size is way too large. So I've used the ESC map version, and corrected it to reflect the current status for JESC2012, and about to upload it. The file size also keeps in-line with that size used for ESC, as well as the map style too. Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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RE: Suggestions per discussion at Talk ESC2012

Hi AxG, as per discussion at Talk:Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012#Broken_references_and_other_issues, I have now complied a draft version via my sandbox based upon what has been suggested. Would it be possible to double-check it for me, and let me know if it looks OK or not, before I start adding it to the main article itself. I know that the draft version shows some red broken links, but they would fix themselves once added to the main article. Thanks in advance - Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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I'm trying to get the above project active again. If you like to participate, please add you name to the project page. Mad Man American (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, AxG,

I think the ITV Companies renaming/move has been a bit hasty and without consensus - see User_talk:JHunterJ#ITV_Companies_Move.

I feel there needs to be a real debate on this issue, but unfortunately I've struggled to find interest whenever I've raised it in the past. As you suggested the move, I've raised it with the admin who moved it, see above. -- Fursday 01:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't mind taking part in a debate. Sounds like it could be an interesting one, from what I've read so far. I fully understand both sides of the debate, and hopefully can help in building a consensus to resolve the matter peacefully and swiftly. Wesley Mouse (talk) 01:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi AxG, just a quick note to let you know that I nominated File:JESC 2012 logo.png for speedy deletion a few hours ago, as I noticed that you reverted his edits for adding fake content. I also warned the user on commons too, plus added a speedy deletion notification on his wiki talk page. I'll be keeping a close eye in case he ignore warnings and persists to add fake material. It could be a case of him getting blocked if he continues to be ignorant. Wesley☀Mouse 00:45, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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Luciann Mosescu strikes again

AxG, I think that Luciann Mosescu is being disruptive again by re-uploading images that got deleted from commons - image in question File:Eurovision_Selectia_Nationala_2012.PNG. I have informed CT Cooper about this (as see here). Luciann has been warned several times in the past about uploading fake images - even you have warned him once about creating a fake JESC2012 logo. The above linked image was nominated for deletion on 3 February at commons. The file subsequently got deleted on 11 February; to which I kept Luciann informed about this. Now the image has been re-uploaded only this time with incorrect copyright tags. Now I'm not 100% certain, but I'm sure this is classified as disruptiveness, isn't it? Wesley☀Mouse 19:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi AxG, Hope all is well with you today. Just a quickie about this recent revert on EBU article. As strange as this might sound from me, but I think the IP user may have been right to change the name to Russian Federation, instead of the simplified version "Russia"; as the EBU's official membership list have the nation listed as Russian Federation too. I'm wondering if there is a consensus prior to me joining the project that decided on having them listed as Russia, and not Russian Federation as per EBU documentation?

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Today introduced new logotypes of Slovak Television. Trojka not changed, because closed on 30 June 2011. Jednotka & Dvojka changed.--188.47.69.6 (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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AxG, the recent paragraph about Humperdinck's participation is identically worded to the paragraph from BBC's website - copyvio issue that needs to be resolved as a matter of urgency. Wesley☀Mouse 21:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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Well spotted over the "staged" part. I'm in utter shock over the BBC's Humpmeister decision, that I can no longer focus on what I am writing. Interesting to see how an "old" crooner will be able to sing a modern up-tempo song; that is if the song writers go for "modern". Can you imagine Engelbert chavving it up? HAHA Wesley☀Mouse 22:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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AxG, there is an on-going discussion at JESC2012 talk page, regarding the use of a possible new reliable source. The website (as mentioned on the talk page) is one listed in a Eurovision-Promo sites via the EBU. However, we're not sure if it should now be used or not, despite there being a comparison between the new site and currently used reliable ones. WOuld it be possible to cast your eyes over there, and add your views on the matter? Thanks - Wesley☀Mouse 22:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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(talk page stalker) I think I've spotted the confusion with this. File:British Gas logo.svg is the new logo for British Gas, whereas File:British Gas.svg is the older version. I wonder if the newer version should have been uploaded as a 'new version' rather than a new image article all together. Is there any way to amalgamate them together? Wesley☀Mouse 19:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

No confusion, the two logos were on the Centrica article (their was not British Gas article), the new logo was being phased in, and similarly the other was being phased out, and so both were being used at the same time, on different media applications, first on vans, then newspapers, then TV and online. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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Logotypes of all TV channels of YLE was changed. YLE FST5 renamed to YLE Fem.--188.47.91.76 (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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AxG, a quick question if I may about these new maps that now have links to country pages. When we add colours to countries, do we still edit them the usual way prior to the links being added or is there a new way to do them? Wesley☀Mouse 16:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

AxG, I noticed the removal of Finland again from ESC2013 article. I find it worrying really, as the site used to reference Finland is also being used to reference Hungary. I don't think that site is a blog, as its operated by WordPress.com; who are also the same host site that ESCToday are now using. If websites using wordpress are being considered as a blog, then wouldn't that now mean ESCToday is classified as a blog? Wesley☀Mouse 21:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I think I'm seeing things now. I was pretty sure the Hungary ref was using that same blog, although it doesn't now. But alas I put my mind to ease when I noticed in this diff that both Finland and Hungary where reffed to "myeurovisiondiary.com" Wesley☀Mouse 21:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you. :) You are absolutely right about the image having to be of high resolution, all low resolution images I tested come out blurry. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 11:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Sorry to come here moaning. I'm getting sick and tired of people adding the same content about this human rights stuff, when there is still an open discussion taking place on the article talk page. I've just reverted an edit from a user who re-introduced a big chunk of human rights stuff. Then I pointed out to them about the discussion, and rather than they engage, the re-reverted my move. Now I've reverted back again, but they are kicking off big time and saying that they should include it. Before I end up hitting my head on a brick wall, would you be so kind as to intervene and explain to the user what they are doing wrong? Thanks buddy! Wesley☀Mouse 18:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Map showing bidding phase on Eurovision Song Contest 2013

ESCToday have confirmed there is a bidding phase for the host city of Eurovision 2013. Seeing as this bidding phase for host cities is now becoming a bit of a new Eurovision tradition, and we've incorporated such details by using a map showing the candidate cities on the 2011 and 2012 articles. I think you did the maps for both of the aforementioned articles, do you fancy the task of doing it again for a third year? Or perhaps teaching me how its done, and I don't mind giving it a try then. Wesley☀Mouse 14:59, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I think I may have figured out how to do it on my own - yippee! A test version can be found here. Wesley☀Mouse 15:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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Something strange is going on

AxG, something really strange is going on, and I haven't a friggin clue how its happening. I just noticed your edit summary remark in this diff, and then noticed the spelling error. What bugs me is I am British, and wouldn't even write in American-English; and I know full well that I wrote everything using British English. Although, thinking about it, a lot of the material is still the original written text, and I'm just juggling them about a bit into the new style. And also rewriting any copyvio text I come across. I noticed the pre-version of ESC 1956 was entirly copied from eurovision.tv; and I shrieked in horror when I spotted it. Which then lead me to contacting Cooper, and self-nominating to flush out all these copyvios, by rolling out the RfC proposed layout on the articles between 56-89. But anyhow, thanks for noticing the spelling error, even if I am baffled how it went to US-spelling and not the Brit-spelling that I know I wrote. Wesley☀Mouse 23:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Phew, I'm not going delusional. Just noticed a lot of the reaaaaaly old ESC articles appear to have been written in US-English. Leave it with me, and I'll fix'em all while rolling out the new standardised article style. Wesley☀Mouse 23:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I've left a note on my talk page in response to your question. Gonna take a break for an hour or so, as I've done nothing but revamp these articles for the last 6 hours (but I'm enjoying it really). Chat to you soon, AxG. Wesley☀Mouse 20:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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AxG, When you get a moment, would you be able to take a look at ESC 1956's infobox. For whatever reason, it is showing an arrow pointing to 1955, and I don't know how to get rid of it. Thank you. Wesley☀Mouse 19:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Left you a note on my talk page in reply to the "&" thing. I haven't added that symbol anywhere on the articles, so it its there then it was prior to the revamp, as all the paragraphs are just being moved around, no text from its original state has been altered (with exception to the returning artists table, which has been rewritten into a prose format. Wesley☀Mouse 19:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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AxG, I've just had to open up a new RfC over at Talk:Blue (English band), following what I think was a premature RM closure. The article used to have "group" in brackets rather then "English band", and then a page move request was made. I kept stressing points out during the RM that "English band" is an incorrect title, as the band are globally established as a boyband, the members articles refer to them as a boyband, the sources also use the term boyband. Involved parties then said boyband or English band would be suitable. Clear evidence there that no concensus had really been reach as there were now 2 article titles in discussion, rather than one. Anyhow, the RM was closed and the page moved to English band (a move that I still feel was a premature decision). As a member of Project Eurovision, and also a fellow Brit; would you be able to have a wander over to the page, and put any thoughts forwards. Thanks. Wesley☀Mouse 16:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2012

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EUROISION • WikiProject News • Issue #20 • July 2012
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Message from the Editorial Team Bienvenue! Willkommen! Welcome! Please be warm-hearted in encouraging everyone to do their best to contribute to all Eurovision-related Wikipedia articles, and welcome our new members to the project. It is easy for editors to get into conflict with each other, and things can get very nasty on the most trivial of issues, whether that be on the language of songs, the names of certain countries, or how we deal with incidents at the contest. In such circumstances it is worth remembering one thing: we are all here to build an encyclopedia, and the contribution of Eurovision to human knowledge can only be given justice if we work together and make articles, not drama! If you would like something to appear in the August 2012 Edition of the newsletter, then please inform us at the Project Newsdesk. If there is an article you think we should have? Request it here. Happy editing! Project News When creating new articles about a performer or song, please remember to add sources either from Eurovision.tv, ESCToday or other reliable sources. If you're not sure a source is reliable enough, then ask the project for an opinion. Remember to only add content to articles that is relevant to the article's main subject. Anything not in relation to the article may be questioned and/or subject to redirection to an article that would benefit it's inclusion. Again if in doubt, ask on the article or project talk pages for an opinion - communication is an important tool. On the subject of communication, please make use of the article talk pages. They are a vital tool in conducting consensus talks of additions of proposed new sections and/or removal of unnecessary section. If you don't use these pages to put across your views, then you only have yourself to blame if actions are taken that you disagree with and you end up wandering into edit warring territory. The 2012 season of Eurovision has drawn to a close, and we now start preparations for the 2013 edition. While things will be slow to start of with, now is the ideal opportunity to do a clean-up exercise across articles relating to the project. There's over 4,500 articles associated with the project. If you happen to see a Eurovision related article without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess or reassess articles in our project if you see that they have outgrown their current assessment. There is currently one unassessed article. And finally... a massive thank you to all members of the project for your constant hard work on collaborating and contributing to Eurovision related articles. Keep up the good work team! Project Alerts Please remember to keep checking the project articles that have been flagged up as an alert. Since our last publication the following alerts have flagged up: good article nominees - Eurovision Song Contest 2012 requests for comment - Blue and Project Eurovision	Headlines Project Gossip The RfC discussion in regards to article layout, is still taking place on the project talk page. Could all members please ensure that they participate in the discussion so that we can all agree on important article structure issues. If you don't take part, then you only have yourselves to blame if a consensus is passed that you disagree with. Page Milestones List of Eurovision Song Contest winners on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured list on 28 May 2012. Eurovision Song Contest 2012 has been nominated for a Good Article review on 15 June 2012. Eurovision Song Contest - Sweden 2013 So far 20 countries have confirmed participation for the Eurovision Song Contest 2013, which is scheduled to take place in Sweden. Please remember to only cite reliable sources when adding countries to the article. The host city for Eurovision Song Contest 2013 has still not been announced. Gothenburg, Malmö, and Stockholm are among the candidate cities so far. Junior Eurovision Song Contest - Netherlands 2012 The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Details about confirmed participation are slowly filtering out into the world wide web. Please cite reliable sources when including new information. The EBU extended the submission deadline to 29 June 2012. So far only 8 countries confirmed participations, and the contest needs a minimum of eleven in order for the show to continue. Bulgaria have withdrawn. Asiavision Song Contest - South Korea 2012 After several postponements, the first contest is now scheduled to take place in the South Korean capital of Seoul; on 14 October 2012. 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Hi AxG,

Seeing as you're the genius at creating Eurovision logos, I was wondering if you'd be able to update the logo for ESC 2013, now that the host city has been announced. A previous user had uploaded a PNG version, and I have swiftly reverted the infobox back until the new vector version has been created. Thanks, Wesley☀Mouse 08:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Eurostile extended 2

AxG, I've found a free website to obtain the missing font that you said you didn't have. Eurostile Extended #2 and Eurostile LT Extended #2. I could have batched the entire Eurostile font family that I have into a winrar file and send it you, but found these other sites that would make it easier. Wesley☀Mouse 19:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Clearly I've not been looking properly enough, cheers :) -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

When you open those pages, scroll down and look for the download word that is in green coloured text, and click on it. Anothyer good page I've found for fonts is Filestube.com Wesley☀Mouse 19:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hiya AxG,

As you know the Eurovision Project Newsletter is well and truly revived, thank to my efforts. What I aim to do every month is invite members to write a small article to add to the opening editorial section. June, I wrote the first piece; and Cooper did July's. I was wondering if you would like the opportunity to write something for the August edition? Yes, I know its early, but I like to be very organised and prepare things in advance. So, if you accept the offer then feel free to add something to the editorial section which starts "?". The draft copy is in my sandbox. Regards, Wesley☀Mouse 12:24, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - August 2012

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Junior Eurovision Song Contest - AMSTERDAM 2012 The tenth edition of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest is scheduled to take place on the 1 December 2012, in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Details about confirmed participation are slowly filtering out into the world wide web. Please cite reliable sources when including new information. Israel announced on 10 July 2012 that they will make their début in Amsterdam. Thus bringing the total number of confirmed participant to 9 countries so far. The contest needs a minimum of eleven in order for the show to continue. The EBU had extended the submission deadline to 29 June 2012, although no further details in regards to the contest has been released. Asiavision Song Contest - SEOUL 2012 File:Our Sound - The Asia-Pacific Song Contest logo.svg After several postponements, the first contest is now scheduled to take place in the South Korean capital of Seoul; on 14 October 2012. 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Could all members please ensure that they participate in the discussion so that we can all agree on important article structure issues. If you don't take part, then you only have yourselves to blame if a consensus is passed that you disagree with. Project News Project 1 - Contest by year and contest related pages involves: A page for each year's contest Improving/maintaining all the contest related pages in the project. Project 2 - Contestants and songs involves: Creating a page for each contestant and song involved in the contest. Project 3 - "Country" in the contest involves: Creating a page for each participating country in the contest. This will give information about a country's efforts and achievements in Eurovision. Project 4 - "Country" in the contest "year" involves: Creating a page for each country participating in the contest each year. This will give information about the year in Eurovision for that country, like how the song was chosen (selection events), how well it did, any other information about its participation that year. Project 5 - Sourcing involves: On Wikipedia, it is very important not only to have the correct information, but to show where you got it from so it can be verified. Editor's should be finding additional sources to reference information with. This project also includes checking all similar pages to make sure things are consistent across the board and correcting any errors. A listing of pages marked for some sort of cleanup is available here. When creating new articles about a performer or song, please remember to add sources either from Eurovision.tv, ESCToday or other reliable sources. If you're not sure a source is reliable enough, then ask others members of the project. Project 6 – Assessment involves: Assessing project pages. The first thing to do to assess an article is to add {{EurovisionNotice}}, the project banner, to the talk page of an article if it does not have one. If an article already has a banner, you should assess the article using the assessment scale. Assessing articles gives us a good idea about the quality of the articles in our project and can help identify short comings. Communication involves: Remember to only add content to articles that is relevant to the article's main subject. Anything not in relation to the article may be questioned and/or subject to redirection to an article that would benefit it's inclusion. Again if in doubt, ask on the article or project talk pages for an opinion - communication is an important tool. On the subject of communication, please make use of the article talk pages. They are a vital tool in conducting consensus talks of additions of proposed new sections and/or removal of unnecessary section. If you don't use these pages to put across your views, then you only have yourself to blame if actions are taken that you disagree with and you end up wandering into edit warring territory.
Members The project had 92 members, with eighty-eight active, and four inactive members at the time of publication. If you are no longer interested in WikiProject Eurovision then please remove your name from this list Have you encountered an editor who is interested in Eurovision? Then why not place our invitation template on their talk page and welcome them to the project.. The Teamwork Barnstar This barnstar is awarded to every member of Project Eurovision for their contributions as a team towards Eurovision Song Contest 2012 article, which as a result gained the project its first Eurovision by Year article a GA Status. Thank you! - WP:ESC
New Recruits We would like to welcome the following new members who joined since our July publication. Moldova96 (talk · contribs) Reckless182 (talk · contribs) Sang'gre Habagat (talk · contribs)

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Do you know the interactive maps currently used on Eurovision articles? Would it be possible to replicate something similar across Junior Eurovision articles, and thus maintaining consistency? Wesley Mouse 10:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be off for 2 weeks soon, so, plenty of time then. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 21:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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