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JTtheOG (talk) 02:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The American Football Barnstar
		For great work recently in writing articles for football players, coaches, and Division I college seasons. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You Butters (talk) 18:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

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A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		For someone who started only two months ago, you've done excellent work in writing articles on Division I football teams and other topics. From my count, it seems all that's left in terms of Division I seasons missing articles for this year is four in FBS and 40 in FCS (out of 261 total teams). After you've completed doing that, you may be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Season articles campaign. Thanks for your contributions! BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Notability of created articles

Please add more reliable sources to the articles you are creating or make sure there is enough of them before creating. A lot of these players probably have the sources for notability but they should be added to the article to avoid potential future deletion. Yankees10 01:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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• I don't believe he's copying the text of other articles; the lead of almost every college football season is like that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Viliami Fehoko

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Jarrett Patterson moved to draftspace

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BJ Thompson

Please do not do that again. Yankees10 19:03, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

What? Butters (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

What is wrong with it? Butters (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Creating an article with just the letter B. It's ridiculous because you want to be the creator fo the article.-- Yankees10 19:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

You've done similar things, Yankees10. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Write not right my bad Butters (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

So what is okay and what is not? Butters (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok if I where to right out BJ Thompson for him instead would that be okay? Butters (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

At least put the name and team he was drafted by at the very least. An add sources.-- Yankees10 19:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

You should have at least allowed Butters more than 60 seconds to do that... BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Give me a break. You don't create articles with one letter, sorry. Actually make an effort.-- Yankees10 19:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Butters has done some nice work here. So I was probably too harsh, especially for a newer user. I do apologize Butters for being a bit of a dick.-- Yankees10 19:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

its good Butters (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict x2) I agree that effort should be given too; it just doesn't make sense to me that you're accusing others of creating short draft articles when you've done the exact same thing (the only difference is yours have been a few words longer). BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

It's a hell of a lot more than creating with one letter. If he/she just added "BJ Thompson is a linebacker for the Chiefs", I wouldn't be here.-- Yankees10 19:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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A few tips

Hi. Thanks for your articles recently on college/NFL players. A few tips:

• In the infobox, if the position is two words, only capitalize the first - for example: Wide receiver, rather than Wide Receiver. And in the article, the position should always be spelled lowercase (for example: John Smith is an American football wide receiver...)
• Dates should be spelled as May 3, not May 3rd.
• Numbers under 10 should be spelled out - say, Beanie Fan caught four passes during the 2022 season, scoring two touchdowns (not Beanie Fan caught 4 pass during the 2022 season, scoring 2 touchdowns)

Otherwise, nice work! BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright thanks for the help, appreciate. Butters (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Friend!

I spotted a number of your player stub articles in the New Pages feed where I was reviewing things. You need to be careful posting up pieces on NFL Undrafted Free Agents unless they are documented with multiple pieces of published writing substantially about the subject since there is no "automatic notability" bestowed upon players who have not made an NFL roster and played a game. It is my belief that sourcing does actually exist for most such players, mind you, but one needs to dig up two or three such sources and make sure they are listed in the article or things are apt to come to grief through the deletion process.

I do not want to discourage you from your efforts, only to suggest "better fewer but better" is probably a strategy worth pursing. All the best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 11:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

P.S. I see above that this is already happening. The best way to protect your work is to source out your work with multiple independently-published references of presumed reliability.

Tre Hawkins III moved to draftspace

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Kendall Williamson moved to draftspace

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Alex Austin moved to draftspace

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B. J. Thompson (American football) moved to draftspace

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May 2023

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Hello, Butters.From.SouthPark,

Please do not cut and paste content from one article to a blank page. This create multiple versions of articles which we can't have for attribution purposes. It divides up an article page history. If you disagree with an article being moved to Draft space, then please move it back, do not start a new version in main space. It's preferred that you work on the Draft space version until you are ready to submit it to WP:AFC but if you want to work in main space, then return the article to main space, do not start a new version. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it thanks Butters (talk) 02:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Tanner McCalister moved to draftspace

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Pages being moved to draftspace

Why are some of my pages being moved to the draftspace when they are clearly noteable people. User:BeanieFan11 Butters (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• That user has way to strict notability interpretations and seems to dislike sports, so whenever he see an article in that topic which doesn't meet his personal notability interpretations, he moves it to draftspace (which is actually against policy) - you can let me know if he does it again or you could move it back yourself if you'd like. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

  Okay thanks for the help appricate it Butters (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

  He did it again User:BeanieFan11 Butters (talk) 12:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  Just letting you know that when a page is moved to draftspace, you shouldn't recreate the page the exact same way in mainspace, as the page then loses its history. Rather, it should just be moved back if you think it was incorrectly put there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  okay how do I do that? Butters (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  It seems that you did that for Tanner McCalister here. Basically there should be near the top right of the screen, next to "view history", something saying "More" - hover over that and it should say "move" - click that, then change it to article space and click move page. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  Can you get Onel5969 to stop moving my pages to the draftspace Butters (talk) 13:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

  When will the voting take place on weather or not the page Camerun Peoples is deleated. @BeanieFan11 Butters (talk) 19:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Jaray Jenkins moved to draftspace

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Cory Durden moved to draftspace

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Can you stop moving my pages they are noteable Butters (talk) 12:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thayer Thomas moved to draftspace

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• @Onel5969: You really need to stop with your non-policy based moves to draftspace – Thomas and Durden most certainly are ready for mainspace. WP:DRAFTIFY says to draftify only if it meets one of the following three: it does not meet WP:STUB; or it would have very little chance of survival at AfD; or it meets any speedy deletion criterion. This clearly does not apply in this case. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

  And in its current condition it meets all of those. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:39, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Onel5969: And how is that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

  He did it again @BeanieFan11 Butters (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Camerun Peoples moved to draftspace

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• This should not have been returned to mainspace without improvement. This sort of action can be viewed as disruptive and will often result in the item being proposed for deletion. The post above requests that it be submitted for review, but this has not been done. The item appears to be about a non-notable athlete with little if any, career to speak of; it is still subject to new page patrol and may be an AFD candidate. Eagleash (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  He is noteble ask @User:BeanieFan11 Butters (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Eagleash: I agree with Butters here and think this was actually an inappropriate move by Onel5969. The policy on draftification states that it only should be used when the page is "obviously unready for mainspace" and meets one of the following three: it does not meet WP:STUB; or it would have very little chance of survival at AfD; or it meets any speedy deletion criterion. – as for criterion one, the article is not a stub, for criterion two, it has a very good chance in my opinion of surviving at AFD, and for three, it absolutely does not meet the speedy deletion criterion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  @BeanieFan11: I am uncertain that it could meet WP:SPORTCRIT but as you will have seen, I left the item in article space where it is still subject to NPP. It should not have been returned to main with no improvement or effort to improve and without completing the review process. Eagleash (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Eagleash: Normally I would agree that it could be disruptive to move a draftified article back with no improvements; however in this case (and for a lot of other cases involving Onel5969) the article is in perfectly acceptable shape as-is and never should have been moved to draftspace in the first place - also, for sources to show notability: PFN, SI, HERO Sports, AL.com, Charlotte Observer, Winston-Salem Journal, etc. (I had actually planned on doing his article prior to the draft but didn't find enough time to). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  The can you please get @Onel5969 to stop moving my pages to the draftspace Butters (talk) 16:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  As soon as you start creating articles which do not fail WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  They do meet notabilty though Butters (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  No, they don't. For example, this particular one has zero in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources. Routine sports coverage, stuff from the teams, leagues, or organizations they belong to, articles from school newspapers, none of that counts towards notability. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Camerun Peoples for deletion

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When will the discussion take place? Butters (talk) 19:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion is located here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camerun Peoples. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onel5969 keeps moving the pages even though the meet everything cn you do something to stop him Butters (talk) 14:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Charlie Thomas (American football) moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Charlie Thomas (American football), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Youn need to stop doing this Butters (talk) 14:56, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You need to learn what sourcing is needed to pass WP:GNG. It was explained to you above. These are tagged for improvement. You ignore the tags and do not work on them, then are shocked when, without improvement, they are moved to draft. If you add in-depth coverage from independent, reliable, secondary sources, I'll be more than happy to take another look at them. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

There are independent and reliable such as sports illustrated, bvm sports, and Thomasville Times-Enterprise Butters (talk) 15:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Considering that less than 60% of the articles you send to AFD are deleted, I think you might be the one who needs to understand GNG better. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for creating Craig Porter Jr.

Thank you for creating the article Craig Porter Jr. I originally had a draft for it, but you made the article for me. You saved me some time, so I went to the draft and redirected it to the article. Thanks! 40.142.188.18 (talk) 14:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Ya no problem, you're welcome. Butters (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks once again

Thanks for creating 2024 Vegas Vipers season. It saved me some time and some work. I had forgotten about it until you made it. Thanks once again. 40.142.188.18 (talk) 14:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Ya no problem, happy to help out. Butters (talk) 20:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the Penn State 2023-24 article! Thanks for helping me once again! 40.142.188.18 (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Creation over draft

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MLB Draft picks

Some of the non-first round draft picks do not need notability standards, I would recommend working on these articles in drafts and not publishing directly to the mainspace until GNG is established (generally I think 4 refs should do it). Over the past couple of years there has been more of an uptick in editors keen on heightening the notability threshold for athletes and nominating them for deletion. I'll try to add some refs to the recent articles created, but there are some draft articles on a few of the second rounders where you can also find them. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thabk you i will begain to fix them in the next 48 hours Butters (talk) 15:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Malachi Wideman moved to draftspace

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Creating redirects

Hi there. I see you've created a number of redirects from minor league baseball player names to their associated team lists, but without adding any content to those lists. This isn't a productive activity, because it will frustrate readers when they find we don't have information about these players. Please don't create that kind of redirect if you don't intend to expand the lists. Thanks! - Eureka Lott 19:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes for the love of God please stop. You are just creating a later mess. Literally 90 percent of those players will never be notable.-- Yankees10 04:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok I will stop creating them Butters (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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College football players

Hello Butters.From.SouthPark,

Hope you're doing well. Please do not guess a player's place of birth unless it is explicitly stated in a source. This puts a lot of misinformation on Wikipedia. A player's "hometown" listed in their college bios is very often not the same place they were born. I was born in Arizona but my hometown is 350 miles away. Other people were born in one city but grow up and attend high school in a nearby city.

Please be more careful about this. Sometimes, their college bios will state their place of birth in a "Personal" section near the bottom. For example, Jaydon Grant's Oregon State bio clearly states he was born in Portland, not West Linn. JTtheOG (talk) 02:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Please double-check your spelling as well. There are multiple typos in the articles you publish. I suggest a free tool like Grammarly to help. Lastly, only capitalize the first word in each section title (College career, not College Career). Happy editing! JTtheOG (talk) 02:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

ank you for the feedbackh Butters (talk) 02:06, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

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College football players

Hey Butters,

Just a reminder that the city where a player attends high school is not always where they were raised. Unless you have a source confirming where they grew up, it's better to just state where they attended high school. See the edits I made to Jaylin Williams (American football) as an example. He was born in Mississippi and lived in three other states, even attending two different high schools in two states. Cheers, JTtheOG (talk) 21:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Got it thanks for the help Butters (talk) 01:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Some of these players are also not notable quite yet. Bleacher Report, 247, Maxpreps, etc should not be used to pass WP:GNG.-- Yankees10 23:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I believe they are with the sports illustrated Butters (talk) 23:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

There are also multiple noteble refrences Butters (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Except they are not. Please find more reliable sources before both moving the drafts back or creating these articles.-- Yankees10 00:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

It appears you've been asked numerous times on your talk page here (including by me in April) to provide more reliable sources before creating articles.-- Yankees10 00:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

There are enough reliable sources Butters (talk) 00:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Also just for a baseline what is considered a relible and a non relible source Butters (talk) 00:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Newspapers are reliable sources. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Online Athens are good sources for Georgia players for example. Edwards has literally nothing from them. Look at the sources I have at Chop Robinson' article for example. All extremely reliable newspaper sources. Edwards does not have sources like this and I'm almost certain most the random players you created also don't. It should be kept at a draft until more reliable sources are added but you are continuing to just revert.-- Yankees10 01:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Edwards does have a reference from Online Athens and the Atlanta Journal Consistution, and multiple from Sports Illustrated, the Moultire Observer, CBS Sports, and The Telegraph, so how come those are not notable Butters (talk) 01:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Also instead od making them drafts can you nominate them for delation and make the people vote on it Butters (talk) 01:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Um most of those are either routine, short little mentions of him, or in some cases not even directly about Edwards. I mean come on the CBS "sources" are just box scores that mention Edwards a few times.-- Yankees10 01:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

for the Online Athens and the Atlanta Journal Consistution it talks about him and how he commited for Georgia and is about him, and I would suggest you nominate them for deltion and let the people decide Butters (talk) 01:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Those are only two sources and lean more towards routine if anything. I'm not going to move those two articles back to drafts nor am I going nominate them for deletion because they may become notable during the season (which is literally the point of drafts for articles not quite ready but whatever). Just be better with sourcing in the future. Not every single decent college football player is notable and deserves/needs an article.-- Yankees10 01:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

ok but what players tend to be more notable Butters (talk) 01:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Players that when you google them numerous links to reliable newspapers (sources) that are exclusively written about said player. Those are the ones that are notable. Most college starting QB's, All-American's and overall star players are almost certainly going to be notable and have many many sources.-- Yankees10 01:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

You are literally doing it again. Stop creating these articles when they are clearly not ready.-- Yankees10 05:48, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Seriously what is your justification Decorian Patterson? Literally every single one of those sources is not directly about him.-- Yankees10 05:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I guess I can see the reaseon for deleating the other two pages, but Will Sheppard is definitely notable Butters (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

That's incredibly debatable. School newspapers and random college football blogs don't count as reliable sources.-- Yankees10 18:18, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

College Football Pages

@BeanieFan11 are the page Daijun Edwards and Terrion Arnold notable Butters (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

• They both seem somewhat borderline (on the edge of being notable/not) - I don't have a strong opinion right now but make sure to be careful in what articles you create - try to get at least three in-depth articles on the players from good sources (usually a few hundred words total focusing on the player is alright - as for what types of sources, Yankees10 was mostly correct in that newspaper sources like the Atlanta Journal-Constitution are good ones; other ones mentioned by Yankees as being less-than-great such as 247Sports and Bleacher Report can contribute slightly I believe, but are not given nearly as much weight in discussions - while its usually ok to have them in the article, they shouldn't be the best sources you've got). BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Logan Porter

Can you please start the Logan Porter article since you created the re-dirct. Yankees10 22:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Okay thanks for the help Butters (talk) 16:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Butters – having one source in an article is fine, but you can't simply leave something in mainspace with no sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

  Ik thats on me I forget to add the source while publishing it Butters (talk) 18:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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Butters.From.SouthPark, I appreciate all your work in recent months on college football articles. There are some recurring style issues that I want to address. As on Brashard Smith, you have a tendency to use the subjective mood ("would") inappropriately. If something happed in the past, just write about it in a normal past tense. The narrative of historical documentaries often uses the subjective mood to draw the viewer into the present moment (e.g. "the Germans would lose the Battle of Stalingrad"), but for our purposes here, that form is clunky and inappropriate; see WP:INTOTHEWOULDS. Second, linking to a college football program and piping to the name of the university, e.g. [[Florida Gators football|University of Florida]], is poor, Easter-eggy form; see MOS:EGG. Address the university or the football program, but don't write one and link to the other. Finally, in infoboxes, the place of birth for American locales should end in ", U.S.". Jweiss11 (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I was just coming here to say the part about the "would". You've created a few articles since this comment and you for whatever reason continue to use the word unnecessarily.-- Yankees10 01:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright, so what should I say? Butters (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Just generally try to avoid using the word "would"; instead of "Beanie Fan would throw for 289 yards and four touchdowns in his debut", you could say something like "Beanie Fan threw for 289 yards and four touchdowns in his debut". BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Copy-pasting from drafts into articles

Hi, note that generally you shouldn't copy-paste the content from a draft and start it as a new article - like you did with Quinyon Mitchell / Draft:Quinyon Mitchell - as then the page history is erased. Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

My bad I won't do it again Butters (talk) 02:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Quinyon Mitchell

How is this person notable yet? Why are you continuing to just ignore what "significant coverage" is? Why did you just straight up copy/paste from the draft without moving it? Yankees10 23:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: As the draft creator I believe you'll agree with me on the first part.-- Yankees10 23:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yankees10: I think there's a weak case to notability that could be made, although I think it'd still be best remaining in draft - the Toledo Blade has a lot of coverage of Mitchell and then there's some other brief pieces of coverage on him from various outlets, mostly in discussing him as a draft prospect - he seems to be a very promising player so I'm surprised there hasn't been more coverage of him - I had started the draft with the intention of expanding it once more coverage came but User:Dogloverr16 and Butters worked on it today and put it in mainspace. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

He had multiple sources about him Butters (talk) 02:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes from literally one source, The Toledo Blade. Random sites like this are not reliable sources. I don't know what is so hard to grasp about this.-- Yankees10 04:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

their are multiple sources from the toldeo blade, then their is sports illustrtaed and nfl draft buzz, Butters (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Come on man, you are not seriously calling "NFL draft buzz" a reliable source. I literally explained to you in August what reliable sources are and you still I guess don't get it.-- Yankees10 23:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Also thats not Sports Illustrated. Thats FanNation which just happens to be owned by SI. It is a blog and has questionable reliability.-- Yankees10 23:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I did not know the sports illustrated but I have been told nfl draft buzz is a reliable source and seen it used as a reliable source Butters (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not. It's just a random NFL Draft site. There has been many of them over the years, nothing special about this one.-- Yankees10 00:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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@BeanieFan11 why has this pade be nomintaed for deletion when is it okay to start making articles about college football teams 2024 seasons, as I did this last year with the same exect format but none of them got flagged for deletion Butters (talk) 14:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I think it might be a little too soon to start articles on the 2024 seasons, considering the 2023 ones haven't ended yet - probably for now the best option is to redirect it to the main OSU page and then in a few months restore it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright I just got the idea from 2024 Cincinnati Bearcats football team Butters (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Is it okay to start making team pages for the 2024 season as I have seen multiples pages already created for teams Butters (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

At this point it'd probably be alright, though I would only do FBS seasons and wait some more time for FCS. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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2024 college articles

Butters, the general rule of thumb is to await until the completion of a college football season before creating articles for next season. So we should wait until after the College Football Playoff National Championship on January 8 before creating 2024 season articles. In the meantime, there's lot of work to do on the 2023 season and all the seasons before. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright what is their I can work on from this season? Butters (talk) 00:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The 2023 team season articles could use updates to the lead sections to reflect the performance of the team as the season comes to an end. For example, see my last two edits to 2023 Purdue Boilermakers football team. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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2024 FBS season

I was looking at your draft of next college football season, and I saw how the article got rejected because of no sources. There are more sources now, so I think maybe you should submit it.

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Terrance Williams II

Hey Butters, Michigan MBB forward Terrance Williams II recently declared for the 2024 NBA draft. Can you start a draft on a page for him? I will help contribute. Thanks. 98.21.210.201 (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem just did Draft:Terrance Williams II Butters (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I can help with other pages to if you need Butters (talk) 00:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! I'll ask you if I need help. 98.21.210.201 (talk) 01:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Dates on citations

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add at least one source or don't bother. Yankees10 19:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I know I did, can you just give me a few minutes after creation please. Butters (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Thomas

Hey Butters, do you think you'd have the time soon to expand the stub you started on Nathan Thomas (American football)? It looks like he's now the only stub on a 2024 draft pick left and I think it'd be neat if we could have every 2024 pick with at least a start-class article. (I could do it otherwise; let me know if you want me to do it instead). Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I can get to work on it in a few days if that's okay, if not you could work on it Butters (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

However I am leaving to California soon, so it would be nice for some help on Thomas, and Colby Suits. Butters (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. I think I'll work on Thomas later today. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on Thomas, if you don't mind do you think you could work on Colby Suits for me? Butters (talk) 04:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll see if I can take a look some point soon, although I can't guarantee it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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DYK

Not sure if you have any interest in the Did you know process, but I think - if you add about 300 characters to satisfy length requirements - Keaton Bills would make a good candidate: "... that Bills plays for the Bills?" Let me know your thoughts. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know I don't really get the DYK's. Butters (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you do me a favor since you are an administrator and move the Draft:Elijah Collins to an article for me as it will not allow me to. Butters (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't perform the move directly, but I'll make sure it gets moved soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, regarding DYK – its supposed to be a sort of showcase for new articles that have interesting facts (displaying those facts – aka "hooks" – on the main page to attract readers). I had previously considered writing an article for Bills since it seemed like a decent potential hook. If you'd like me to try to get it nominated and approved for you let me know (we have until May 30 to decide). Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

How is it written? Butters (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The DYK hook itself or the nomination? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

both. Butters (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The hook – at least, the one I think would be best – would likely be something like I mentioned in the opening message (e.g. "... that Bills plays for the Bills?"). Nominations can be made here, but the article needs about 300 more characters of prose before it would qualify – to satisfy DYK length requirements. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I decided to expand it a bit and nominated it at Template:Did you know nominations/Keaton Bills. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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Bowl games articles

Nice work on your new series of articles, which I've just reviewed. I would recommend including them in appropriate Wikiprojects, where they haven't already been added. Good job! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Drafted players

Please do not do what you did last year and create an article on every single player drafted tonight outside of the first round. Make sure you check for notability before creating them not after. A majority of them are not going to be notable. Yankees10 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question

Do you have any interest in creating any older (mostly 2010's QB's) college football player articles? Random example being Purdue starter Elijah Sindelar. I can help you find sources and such. I can gradually add new names in a list under this post, just wondering if this is something that would potentially interest you. Yankees10 22:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Butters (talk) 22:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok well I found some sources on Sindelar if you are interested.-- Yankees10 22:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

All right send them over and I'll take a look. Butters (talk) 22:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

These were just based on a quick google search [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]-- Yankees10 22:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

So you don't appear to be interested in this but yet you continue to create the most random run of the mill players.-- Yankees10 23:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

What's wrong with that? Butters (talk) 23:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

there is nothing wrong with not having interest in creating the guy I brought up. Just some of the guys you do create and completely random college football players and aren't notable. AKA "run of the mill"-- Yankees10 00:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Nice work on creating countless football player articles – including D'Angelo Ponds, whose article I was going to create soon after his performance against Washington; then I noticed you already created it! I enjoy reading and spending time knowing all the players as I review them time to time. Thanks for your hard work and effort! ~ Tails Wx 05:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

And Justice Ellison too! ~ Tails Wx 05:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Shavon Revel

Hello, Butters.From.SouthPark,

It looks like you took a valid draft article, turned it into a redirect to a main space article which you created by copying and pasting the draft article on another page. This is really improper conduct, to usurp an article created by another editor. I hope you haven't done this before. No one cares who gets credit for creating an article so don't take that away from a fellow editor. It makes me want to investigate all of your article creations to see if they are valid. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

My bad I won't do it again. Butters (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You said the exact same thing after your were asked not to with Quinyon Mitchell.-- Yankees10 00:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jose Maldonado (baseball)

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Also:

• Brad Case (baseball)
• Cristofer Melendez

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Proposed deletion of Clemson/Ohio State football rivalry

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