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User issue

I'm not sure where to turn with this, as user pages are not something I've dealt with much. You've provided some assistance for me in the past, so I could use a little input.

User:Mureungdowon recently created their user page and... it's a lot. Primarily a political diatribe, with some real doozies like Many LDPJ politicians are fascists and American liberals should support the views of South Korean liberals, not Japanese fascists.

I don't know if this needs to go through some deletion process, admin warnings, or what. The user recently came off a 1 week block for edit warring, and appears to now be on a tear of editing political articles, but I haven't delved into those edits.

I'd appreciate any advice you could give when you're free. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@HandThatFeeds WP:UP#NOT and WP:POLEMIC are relevant. There isn't a lot on that page, so ok probably. Although I worry about calling unnamed people fascists - they(doesn't identify gender) are discussing this at [[1]]. Note that they are South Korean and clearly have strong views. I'd say this is a marginal case but their userpage does suggest that they may not be able follow NPOV, and could be used against them in some circumtances. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

That's why I wanted to get some advice from you. Might be best to just leave it until they make an egregious rules violation, and then let people see for themselves. That makes sense.

Thank you! — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Any time, glad I could help. Doug Weller talk 13:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

E-mail

I have sent you an e-mail. I have spilled the beans about it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#WikiUser70176 performs personal attacks and complains frivolously of being harassed by me. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Ban of LightProof1995

Sorry, I know you mean well, but did you take away their talk page access based on their interaction with me, or for something unrelated? I don't think they were acting in a disruptive manner. I read their request for feedback as an attempt to understand why we do things a certain way on Wikipedia, and not so much an attempt to actually change how we do things (which I suspect they realize is not currently possible). It's hard for me to have a dialogue with them on how Wikipedia and Wikipedians work if they can't use their talk page at all. Cheers, Cobblet (talk) 20:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cobblet I planned to take access away before I noticed your post. Policy says “Unless otherwise specified, a ban is a site ban. An editor who is site-banned is forbidden from making any edit, anywhere on Wikipedia, via any account or as an unregistered user, under any and all circumstances. The only exception is that editors with talk page access may appeal in accordance with the provisions below.” All edits by them to their talk page after the ban were violations of the ban. Doug Weller talk 21:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

So that includes Catfish Jim's attempts at mentorship? I understand you're just enforcing the rules and I don't mean to get in your way, but I can't help but wonder if a warning regarding canvassing would have sufficed. Funny that my response to LightProof1995 was precisely about the inflexibility of rules. Cobblet (talk) 22:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Cobblet: I don't know whether you are aware that LightProof1995 was community banned after a lengthy discussion two months back. Even aside from the rules Doug already cited, see the bottom of that discussion for comments about the hopelessness of mentorship in this particular case. LightProof1995's oblivious conduct post-ban only reinforces that analysis. IMO, our time and goodwill would be better spent elsewhere. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cobblet Note that they appealed my removal of talk page access - the appeal was declined. Doug Weller talk 08:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I was aware of the discussion. While my interactions with this user have been civil, I understand that problems came up elsewhere. I respect that you admins would prefer to find better ways to spend your time. Best, Cobblet (talk) 14:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cobblet Thanks. Also, in this case we had no real choice as it was the community that banned the editor. Doug Weller talk 14:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Special:GlobalUsage filter

Hi, how can I add a request at Wikipedia:Village pump about adding a filter by namespace to the Special:GlobalUsage page? Presently, there is no way to exclude Talk pages when searching for a file's usage. ♆ CUSH ♆ 15:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cush Which VP? Doug Weller talk 17:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposals, Technical or Miscellaneous. I’m not sure. Probably technical. Doug Weller talk 17:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello @Doug Weller:, I just wrote an article and I have submitted it for review. The instructions at WP:MOVE are quite confusing to me. I would to know sinceI have submitted the draft, if it can still be moved to article space. If so, could you please do that for me. Here is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dewar%27s_Candy_Shop. Thank you! The Capitalist forever (talk) 19:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever Never done that before. Luckily the instructions led me to a script that did it all for me. Move wouldn't work because it had the notice on it. Seems ok though, so it's in article space now, Dewar's Candy Shop Doug Weller talk 12:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes thank you very much Doug! The Capitalist forever (talk) 15:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Revdel Request

Good morning Doug Weller,

Wanted to throw a revdel request your way as I can't confirm 100% at the moment but I feel like this diff might need a revdel for the included external link. Nothing privacy sensitive but my spidey sense says it might be something not worth keeping on record. Apologies if it's a false alarm! GabberFlasted (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@GabberFlasted done. Sites like that don't belong in the history even. Thanks for letting me know. Doug Weller talk 15:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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New accounts made for AfD discussion

Not sure if I should take this to ANI or not, or if a checkuser can possibly help here. I dislike having to say something because I think this individual or individuals are well-motivated and just don't understand how Wikipedia works, so maybe you can advise on the best course of action.

In your Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foundational Black American after Fijiwahwah (talk · contribs)'s two separate wall of text !votes were combined into one [2] (sorry if this diff is hard to parse, it's hard for me to see what was done in it myself), two new accounts, Dresmond762 (talk · contribs) and Rougeedoogee (talk · contribs) also !voted in an attempt to save the article. Not sure if it is sock puppetry, meat puppetry, canvassing, or what.

—DIYeditor (talk) 10:54, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Actually, reading Tariq Nasheed, where the article was redirected, I feel less sympathetic here. Sounds like a counterpart to Andrew Tate. Misogynistic, homophobic, race baiting, conspiracy theorist. I thought he was a run of the mill activist before reading the article. —DIYeditor (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@DIYeditor yes, not dissimilar to Tate in many ways. Let's put the D and R on our watchlists, and see [3] also. Unless the two SPAs edit again, there's no problem. Thanks for posting this. Doug Weller talk 11:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk page reverting - rules check

Hey, I wanted to double check with an admin real quick on the rules for closed topics on a talk page. On Talk:Battle of Bakhmut, I non-admin-closed a discussion as a duplicate fork of an open RFC. Moments after I closed it, another user added some very relevant information to the closed discussion, namely that the person starting that discussion was WP:CANVASSING, giving greater cause to closing (and ignoring) said discussion. The user being accused of canvassing keeps reverting this information citing the rule that you should not continue a closed discussion, but it looks to me that he is just trying to hide bad faith. Would it be acceptable to continue reverting his removal of the comment calling him out, or is he correct in that nothing may be added once the conversation was closed? Fieari (talk) 05:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Oops, while I was typing this question to you, an incident was opened at WP:AN/I for it. Fieari (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fieari Good. I doubt I'll get involved. Doug Weller talk 07:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

AfD re-opening?

Hi, how can I re-open the deletion request for First wave of European colonization? The article is of horrible quality and accuracy. Apparently, it has been split or moved since the last AfD request. ♆ CUSH ♆ 06:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cush It doesn't qualify for an AfD, it's a notable topic.[4]. I see no evidence it was ever forked. I'd start by making sure that every section with a main article meets WP:SYNC which says "Since the lead of any article should be the best summary of the article, it can be convenient to use the subarticle's lead as the content in the summary section, with a hatnote pointing to the subarticle. High-level or conceptual articles (such as Philosophy) are often composed mostly or entirely of summary sections, other than their own leads. Whether a detail is important enough to include in the lead of the detailed article is a good rule of thumb for whether it is important enough to be placed in the summary." I'd be tempted then to be bold and deleted sections with no sources - the request for sources is now 6 years old, so no one should be able to revert you. Doug Weller talk 06:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Suspected WP:SYNTH and WP:OWN in Tolkien-related article.

Hi, would you mind taking a look at Paganism in Middle-earth and its history, and make a determination if this constitutes WP:SYNTH and WP:OWN and advise whether something should be done about it? ♆ CUSH ♆ 19:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Need your opinion

Hi Doug! Hope you are doing well. I stumbled upon a journal(Medieval Warfare) in JSTOR and it appears to be published by Karwansaray BV, located in Netherlands.

I am unfamiliar with this publishing house and wanted your opinion on whether this makes their journal, Medieval Warfare, an unreliable source.

My sincerest thanks as always. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

A Special Thank You!

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		Thank you for your help with the username issue! I really appreciate it! WMrapids (talk) 08:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Selecting important part from the sources.

Entire source cannot be used in the article. You can decide how to write the article.

Alt News report. https://www.altnews.in/bhagwa-love-trap-an-elaborate-conspiracy-theory-in-response-to-the-love-jihad-narrative/

The Wire (India) the video is in Hindi. https://twitter.com/thewire_in/status/1664556208219406337

This is most detailed- https://twitter.com/khanthefatima/status/1663780292132483075

Nusrat Jahan 201999 (talk) 01:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Nusrat Jahan 201999 This belongs on the article talk page and sorry, but I've no intention of editing the article - my priorities are elsewhere due to my health problems, see above. Doug Weller talk 07:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

June flowers

my story today

for you and your wife! Plenty of music on my talk now that our festival started where I saw and heard the enchanting Diana Tishchenko. I added a pic that I took to her article, also a lovely short video with interview and music. She said its all about communication, and true for us here as well. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

We share a love of the past, and I was reminded of it seeing this

For the first time in 40 years here, I sighted bear's breeches on a mountain track to my place. It brought a new meaning to the Corinthian column I'd first read about as a boy in Bannister Fletcher's History of Architecture. Best wishes Doug. and apologies to Gerda for being inspired by her photo to butt in.Nishidani (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how to reduce the picture, and messed up. Sorry Nishidani (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt@Nishidani Thanks for the lovely photos and the link to Diana Tishchenkno. I'm afraid my taste in music are a bit different - I'm more of a fan of for instance The Chicks[9] (a female group known as the Dixie Chicks until a bit after they declared against the invasion of Iraq). I like fairly fast upbeat music, I've always found it does me good and when I walk helps me a lot. Mind you there was a Mahler symphony I heard once that I really enjoyed. Can't recall which it was. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Possibly Mahler's First that I just heard in May? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, music-wise I can never shake off a child's taste for things like this. Perhaps it's just that the greater the music, the more words fail me, and I reach for the elementary particles of a lilted alphabet:) Nishidani (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Christian Identity page move

Hi Doug - I hope you are doing well. I'm not sure how much admin work you're doing these days, but wanted to reach out on a question for an admin. Today, the Christian Identity page was moved to Christian Identity (white-separatist movement) as a bold move without discussion. It was my opinion that this move was unecessary as there are no other similarly named pages - it's based solely on another editor's opinion that "Christian Identity" is ambiguous (never mind that that would be "identity" - small "i"). While the move may ultimately be determined to be necessary or desired, that needs to be determined by consensus; and the fact that there isn't a consensus or a discussion on this IMO warrants undoing the move and opening a discussion. However, I cannot undo such a move as the other editor involved also immediately created Christian Identity as a disambiguation page, requiring a technical move to undo it. What are your thoughts? Am I just too knit-picky? Or does it seem reasonable to discuss this move first? If you tend to agree, can you revert the move and notify the editor (User:Zilch-nada) of the need to discuss it first? TIA for any input. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Done. Doug Weller talk 20:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug. ButlerBlog (talk) ButlerBlog (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Accidental rollback - my apologies!

You'll probably see a revert in your notices and it was a complete accident. What I was looking at, the page had evidently not fully loaded so as I was clicking something else, the page view shifted and moved the "rollback" link to where my cursor was clicking. As you know, that's a one click revert. It was totally not intentional and I immediately rolled that edit back, but figured I should drop a note of explanation. Sorry about that. (Hope you're doing well - thanks for what you do here in the community) ButlerBlog (talk) 13:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Butlerblog: It happens to a lot of us. Go into Preferences, Appearance tab, and select Advanced options, "Show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link". That should give you an opportunity to cancel a rollback. - Donald Albury 14:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@Butlerblog I hate it when the screen shifts like that, it's happened to me before. @Donald Albury Thanks for stepping in. Doug Weller talk 15:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I have updated my preferences (did not notice that before). ButlerBlog (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Indentation

Hey Doug, I changed the indentation of your comment at Talk:Graham Hancock by one, as it made it seem like I was suggesting "alternative theories". If this was a mistake, please revert me. Kind regards, Hypnôs (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hypnôsyes, sorry. My bad, I realised after I edited, should have fixed it. Hectic day. Doug Weller talk 20:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Mind checking if something’s RevDel worthy?

Morning Doug

Small chance I’m rake-able on ADMINSHOP charges for this, as I’ve already been to Liz for a sock block of the same IP, but ANI’s ‘Recently Active Admins’ says you’ve popped in, and your name’s on WP:REVDELREQUEST’s list.

Mind having a look at this? Seems a bit RD2/RD3ish to me?

Cheers. MM (Give me info.) ^(Victories) 07:35, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Matticusmadness Weird, I'm struggling to find out when it was deleted as I need to know what diff the deletion was! Or the time. Doug Weller talk 08:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Ignore that, done. Doug Weller talk 08:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

You’re a star, Doug. Cheers. MM (Give me info.) ^(Victories) 08:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey mate, hate to butt in, but was the revdel'ing of my reply intentional or unintentional? The answer to this question will help guide me in the future on what can/can't be considered civil... Cheers... X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 08:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@X750 Are you saying that your reply no longer shows on ANI? I see "Oh mate for crying out loud, where on EARTH did you extrapolate that EEng was referring to the Le Mans disaster? Shall we ban all jokes in case there is an allusion to any sort of disaster? X750. Spin a yarn?". Doug Weller talk 09:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

No, the reply is still there, but the revision in the history was deleted. If this was necessary as part of removing the IP's material, so be it. Just was curious when I checked my contribs page and saw two of my revisions had been deleted X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 09:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@X750 Exactly what was deleted? Because nothing but the earliest post should have been. Doug Weller talk 10:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The revisions appear on my screen under Special:Contributions/X750 as an italicised grey line with a strikethrough. Something like this except grey. This isn't a make-or-break, I'm just curious as to why it happened. Also see Special:Diff/1163501384. Odd... X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 11:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@X750 Yes, that seems ok. Are you telling me your post no longer appears at ANI. Because I can’t see evidence it was deleted. Doug Weller talk 11:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I think the concern is about how it looks in the edit history, not about it actually being removed from the page. This is just how rev-del works: everything from the rev-deled edit to the time of the rev-del gets that strike-through appearance in the edit history, but only the actual rev-deled edit is really rev-deled. I was confused by that the first time I encountered it, but it's just how it works and is completely benign. I hope that helps. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish thanks. I was beginning to believe that had to be the concern. Sorry X750, that’s just the way it works, the text in question was in every version until it was finally removed by an editor, so it had to be reversion deleted in all those versions. But it was the only thing deleted. Doug Weller talk 17:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

That's all good, thank you Tryptofish and yourself for explaining how it works. Cheerio. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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Noting here, I just sent another email. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit on 'Jayadeva birth controversy'

Hello. You reverted a recent edit of mine on 'Jayadeva birth controversy stating : 'It appears to me that a lot of this addition doesn't mention the controversy'. However, the information quoted about sociocultural and musicological evidence (by eminent scholars on the very point of Jayadeva's birth) are one of the proofs that point to the poet's place of origin. The points that you removed / deleted were :

• Jayadeva uses ragas and talas from the Odissi music tradition and unique to it. The list of ragas has been presented by Pt. Gopal Chandra Panda in his research book on the Gitagovinda. Pt. Panda is one of the most eminent scholars and musicians of Odissi music and has received the Central Sangeet Natak Akademi for his contributions. These ragas are not found in the Bengal school of music, whereas they are found to be in active use from Jayadeva's period until the 21st century in Odissi music.
• A 12th-century fabric with the Gitagovinda woven into it are used in the Jagannatha Temple, this is well-known and acknowledged. This fabric is attached great importance in Odisha and several medieval sources mention that it was woven in Kenduli, the poet's birthplace.
• The Jagannatha temple has a tradition of nighttime Gitagovinda recital from the poet's time and this is corroborated by inscriptions. The Maharis or Debadasis, students of Jayadeba's very lineage continued service in the temple until the 20th-21st century. This is very relevant as the poet himself was attached with the temple.
• Kenduli Sasana in Odisha has archaeological remains that predate the 12th century establishing it as a seat of Vaishnava worship. Poet Jayadeva's work the Gita Govinda is a poem extolling Vishnu. How is this not relevant?
• There is an upsurge of Vishnu-Krishna images in Odisha after the poet's time, because of the popularity of the poem. Thomas Donaldson is one of the leading scholars in the entire world on Indian sculpture and iconography. His book 'Hindu Temple Art of Orissa' is probably the most comprehensive volume on any regional art school of India. The temple in the village has an inscription of the Gitagovinda contemporary to the poet.
• There is a huge number of palm leaf manuscripts of the Gita Govinda from the 15th century till the 20th century in Odisha. Palm leafs do not survive for a period over 4-500 years. This shows a continued popularity of the text and a living tradition attached to it. Clearly a text enjoying popularity in its place of origin is understandable.

The sources were well-cited and were reputable as well. One must understand that the above scholars have examined the birth controversy from multiple points of view and furnished evidence from primary sources such as inscriptions and manuscripts. It doesn't seem fair to simply delete one side of the story (that is, the Odisha POV) by reverting my edit. Prateek Pattanaik (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@Prateek Pattanaik This belongs on the article's talk page. Remember sources MUST discuss the controversy itself, otherwise it is original research. Please don't respond here, thanks. Doug Weller talk 16:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Shifting it to the article talk. Sorry for the error. Prateek Pattanaik (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Muktananda

User Nakulnbhatt, who you blocked from editing this page, has been evading the block using IP addresses 2402:3a80:66b:d8c1:9429:7eff:fe4a:c50 and 2402:8100:3142:ab43:b917:1681:c597:df98

Please see the revision history section of Muktananda. Thank you. - Ram1751 (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ram1751 Another Admin has semi-protected the article for a year. Doug Weller talk 07:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Some flowers for you

	Some flowers for you
	All the best, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Thanks, lovely. Doug Weller talk 08:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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Suspected sock

Hi Doug Weller, hope you are fine. The suspected sock is literally damaging consensus version of articles (details mentioned in my email). Please look into this! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian have you submitted the SPI? Because I think proxies are involved and this may be beyond my technical skills. Doug Weller talk 14:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I will submit an SPI. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The sock has finally been blocked! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Usage of an editorial "However"

Hi Doug, A couple of days ago you reverted an edit of mine which (inadvertently) restored an editorial conjoining of two different sources with the phrase “even though”, and also left me a note on my talk page not to do that. Today I faced a similar situation and followed your guidance to remove an editorial "however" [15], and was promptly reverted by the editor how put that "however" phrasing into the article. I don't want to get into an edit war ver this, so I hope you can provide the same advice you gave me to them, and also undo that revert of theirs. Red Slapper (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Red Slapper Done. Doug Weller talk 07:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks...but another editor has now restored it :( Red Slapper (talk) 12:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Janet Wu article

Hi Doug. I wish you courage and strength in your medical challenges. This is a comment about the Janet Wu article which is now a bit schizoid. There are/were two Janet Wu broadcasters in the Boston area. The present article is about --- in the main --- Janet Wu, Yale and Columbia graduate who works for Bloomberg News now. The other Janet Wu, graduate of University of Michigan who retired from WCVB-TV after nearly a half century in broadcasting, I think used to have a separate article but is oddly mixed in this article to a fault. It needs repair. I will try to repair it. Best Wishes ever. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc Wikiklrsc (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Wikiklrsc Good. But I think all mention of the other Wu should be removed. Doug Weller talk 08:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Right. Will do. Best Wishes. --- Bob Wikiklrsc (talk) 15:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Need help “sounding” the Sound of Freedom

The Talk:Sound of Freedom (film) has gotten really heated, and I think we may need your help with this. Basically there’s a whole debate of whether or not the Peterson and Ballard interview should be in the article. My proposal was to move the Interview to the respective Tim Ballard articl since it fitted there better than the film article, and it appeared most agreed with it. But later this day these two editors are debating over whether or not it should be included again. Your help is much appreciated Wolfquack (talk) 01:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Also one of the editors I’ve been quarreling with on my talk page the past day and a half has been having trouble with understanding WP:AGF, so just deal in caution. Wolfquack (talk) 01:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I've posted to FZ and RS. I'm not getting involved in the film debate, life's literally too short for me. As for IP addresses, if I have 2 mobile phones on different suppliers I can switch back and forth. I don't know if that works with using proxies. Doug Weller talk 08:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller I said it once and I’ll say it again, the fact we have entire debate formed over a conjunction, all because of a shelved 2018 film, is admittedly ridiculous. Even when you suggest a workable solution, they still go twitter mode. It’s a joke at this point. I decided to just not work on that article anymore. Wolfquack (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

As for IP addresses, if I have 2 mobile phones on different suppliers I can switch back and forth.

Well I made a deal, and I’ll have to go through with it. I’ll have to watch Batman and Robin. Wish me luck. Wolfquack (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@Wolfquack sounds much more enjoyable. Sometimes it's just not worth it. Doug Weller talk 15:32, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Sound of Freedom (film)

Why did you unprotect this page, especially without consulting me? It wasn’t the socks causing problems, everyone blocked was autoconfirmed anyway, it was all the partisan IPs. Which have immediately come back… Courcelles (talk) 17:32, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Many apologies. My bad, it was a stupid thing to do. I’ve restored the protection and made it clear it was an error. Doug Weller talk 17:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug. I think had it been ECP dropping to semi after some blocks would make sense. :). This is such a flashpoint within hours we already had an IP being disruptive and implying anyone disagreeing was worthy of personal attacks. Courcelles (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if this is coming just randomly or from some site encouraging it. Doug Weller talk 19:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I’ve seen a ton of this type of ‘if you don’t love this movie you’re pro child trafficking’ stuff around the internet. Not sure it’s coming from anywhere in specific to here, because the sentiment is everywhere. Courcelles (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

There's been a lot of drive-by traffic to Talk:QAnon and to Adrenochrome.I protected the latter a few days ago. I was behind the curve movie-wise and didn't realize what was going on - I guess all I'd seen was hype for Barbenheimer. Acroterion (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Acroterion@Courcelles I also wasn't aware this was such a major issue. Like Acroterion, what I've been seeing is about Barbenheimer. Doug Weller talk 07:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding my AETB

What disruptive editing was I involved in? None of my recent conduct stands out as problematic to me. Oktayey (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

It's a continuation of the conduct I warned you about back in March. Repeating the same arguments, and moreso, refusing to drop the stick when uninvolved editors are pointing out that a discussion is going in ever widening circles is disruptive. A 30 day topic ban that also requires edits outside of the topic area is a pretty lenient sanction to try to reign in that disruption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Very lenient. I would have indeffed Oktayey and not looked back. Courcelles (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

@Courcelles Probably. It's been almost a day and they haven't started to edit again. Doug Weller talk 12:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

TBAN Appeal

I'm appealing the sanction you applied on me here. Oktayey (talk) 09:52, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Hugo Refachinho

Hi! I took a look at the list of recently active CheckUsers and your name came up. Would you happen to have the time to take care of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Hugo Refachinho, which to my eye is a very straightforward case of a WP:DUCK? TompaDompa (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Impressed

im impressed and that's all you need to know Abo Yemen✉ 18:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Donald Ford

Can I request a rev/del please [16]. Thanks Knitsey (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey Done, blocked the IP. Doug Weller talk 18:52, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Knitsey (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Herod the Great

I am not blocked form editing anything, so you are not proxying for a blocked user. But that page got protected.

Most modern biographers of Herod, and probably a majority of biblical scholars, dismiss Matthew's story as a literary device.

Got changed into:

There are Herodian biographers as well as Biblical scholars who dismiss Matthew's story as a literary device.

Herod also appears in the Christian Gospel of Matthew as the ruler of Judea who orders the Massacre of the Innocents at the time of the birth of Jesus, although most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred.

Got changed into:

In the Christian New Testament Gospel of Matthew, Herod is mentioned as the ruler of Judea who ordered the Massacre of the Innocents at the time of the birth of Jesus; there are Herodian biographers do not believe that the event occurred.

In the green version WP:RS/AC gets applied; in the red version it does not get applied. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu sorry, I don’t edit fully protected articles unless there is vandalism or BLP problems. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Google2p1

You may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 07:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cahk Done, thanks for letting me know. Doug Weller talk 07:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Big lie

Can you take a look at this [17] and see if it needs deleting please. I've reverted it. Knitsey (talk) 15:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleted. And introduced the troll to the door. Courcelles (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Knitsey (talk) 15:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Courcelles And thanks from me. Doug Weller talk 15:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem. That edit alone was enough to exceed my tolerance for antisemitic nonsense this week! Courcelles (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Tariq Nasheed

Lucabien (talk · contribs) seems to be a sock/meatpuppet of the previous blocked sock, Thrillydee (talk · contribs) - Hipal (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Hipal User:Courcelles might know. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fijiwahwah/Archive I’m about to go to sleep. Doug Weller talk 20:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Obvious sock/meat is obvious. Blocked, ECP the article. Courcelles (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Courcelles thanks. I was trying to read and check for attacks by Defeedme socks and nodding off at the time I saw this (in fact my Galaxy watch says I was asleep!). I haven't slept as long as I did last night since at least last year! Doug Weller talk 07:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Not to tell tales out of school...

But I believe this requires some type of administrator response, as it seems to run afoul of WP:PA (against not only KoA) and WP:RGW. Perhaps I am wrong. But this type of WP:NOTHERE behavior, along with all the other behaviors documented in their block log, indicates that additional, major time sinks are inevitable. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@JoJo Anthrax I agree, but almost asleep. @Tryptofish: thanks for closing this but I think that response is inappropriate at best. Maybe ok on the talk page (although it doesn’t seem appropriate there either) but it being there attracts more responses, and I certainly don’t think User:KoA should respond even though that seems unjust. Anyway, 10 minutes on my Kindle and it’s lights out for me! Doug Weller talk 21:05, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I was just about to comment here, before Doug did. Facepalm I had stopped watching when it was closed, so I only found out about it from JoJo's post here. Anyway, it wasn't me who closed it. It was Thryduulf, thus this ping. I also see that Thryduulf replied to the post. I'm not happy about that post, but I also have a feeling that Thryduulf's reply may be enough, and it's best to let the rest be. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I certainly trust your judgement, TF. And sleep well, Doug. But How can we ensure the independence of Wikipedia if we use the policies we built to defend our encyclopaedia in this way?, where "in this way" refers to both the writer getting blocked and the removal of KoA's ridiculously inappropriate block, is grossly unfair to KoA and sounds like a WP:NOTHERE manifesto of things to come. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish oops, of course it was, don’t know how I got confused. Now really turning off the lights and putting my CPAP mask on. Doug Weller talk 21:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not as awake as I could be either, but I hope my reply is enough to put a lid on things but do keep watching (both them and the page). If things don't end there, then we can deal with it at that point. Thryduulf (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Thryduulf@Tryptofish@JoJo Anthrax If it isn't going to be removed it should at least be hatted I think. Doug Weller talk 07:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller feel free to do that as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think it would be right for me to do it at this point. Thryduulf (talk) 10:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, normally someone trying to comment on a closed discussion is just outright removed (or at least made clear it wasn't part of the closed discussion). In addition to what's been mentioned above by others, I'm disappointed, but not surprised that after the block they seem to be ramping up the badgering by going to now closed discussions about me and restarting them. What they mention about things like CropLife International aren't sources I'd ever use, so tying that to their language about corporate capture, evidence of manipulation, etc. and making broad accusations or "just asking questions" is just continuing what they were blocked for. That is getting right back to the behavior we had to craft a specific principle at ArbCom for at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Casting_aspersions.

I'm out until after the weekend though, so I'm not spending even more time on that one. KoA (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Back to the past!

Hi Doug! Hope everything goes well in terms of your health and I wish for the best.

On the Ardashir I talk page, you mention that the letter mentioning his (albeit possible) Kurdish roots is something you talked about? Whilst it was 10 years ago (embarrassed im asking this) do you have any of the archives or knowledge remaining?

God speed and greetings from the Humber! Volkish Kurden (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Volkish Kurden I wish I'd visited the Humber region, it's always sounded interesting. Anyway, here you go.[18] Doug Weller talk 14:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much doug, I really hope you can visit whilst I would definitely recommend the countryside of this place (wonderful journey I had with my friends) but your health comes first, keep us all updated your existence and contributions to wikipedia are greatly appreciated :) Volkish Kurden (talk) 16:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Audit thingy

Defunct you say? I don't remember the thing. Guess I wouldn't have been eligible anyway. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra it was being used when I was an Arb. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

AUSC was a thing so long ago there were still functionary elections! Courcelles (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

My concern is this person is trying to hack into an area with sensitive information. Don't know where they could go from there. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Is this a serious concern? The person seems comically inept. —DIYeditor (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Opinion

I am doing a rewrite of an article and need your opinion if the "Official list of popes" section should stay or be removed. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear It's interesting, looks useful. Why do you ask? Doug Weller talk 15:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

It seemed a little coat-rack-ish to me. Is the section "Official list of popes" REALLY relevant to the article Western Schism? Hmmmm, maybe it is just me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, Doug. Stay strong, my friend.--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear I thought relevance was established in the second paragraph. Doug Weller talk 16:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Generative AI and Wikipedia research

Hi Doug Weller,

My name is Dr. Tim Koskie and I am a researcher at the Centre for Media Transition (CMT) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We are conducting a study on the implications of content-generating AI systems such as ChatGPT for knowledge integrity on Wikipedia, and are approaching you because you have participated in discussions on this topic on Wikimedia pages.

If you are interested, we would like to invite you to participate in our study. It would involve joining either a focus group discussion or an interview (around 1 hour), in person at Wikimania in Singapore if you are going to be there, or online at a future date. At these sessions we would ask you questions about how you think generative AI will impact Wikipedia, as well as about the kinds of work you do on Wikipedia.

The project is funded by the Wikimedia Research Fund grant programme. You can find out more about the project here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Implications_of_ChatGPT_for_knowledge_integrity_on_Wikipedia If you are interested, let me know and I will forward you some more detailed information on the project. Tbkoskie (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

How does one request a two-way interaction ban?

Hi Doug. First off I want to apologize for being a total d*ck to you in the past because I couldn't wrap my head around your POV on some things. The more I've seen of your conduct, the more respect I have for you. I was out of line.

Also - what the title says. The user you asked me about earlier today has continued to contact me, even after I explicitly asked them not to. It's fine to dislike me (I know I'm not always the most likable), but it's not fine to follow me from thread to thread with nasty remarks and all-caps demands to shut up. I'd really like to continue doing my thing without having to interact directly with this user any more. How can I solve this constructively? Thanks. Philomathes2357 (talk) 04:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

For you and your wife: in my most recent images (click on songs), two wedding cakes are hidden. - Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt Lovely, thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Noah’s ark

Please stop adding bias to the Noah’s ark wikipedia page. Brennan1111 (talk) 23:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Brennan1111 Bad idea to tell on yourself on an admin's talk page that many people are watching. —DIYeditor (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

How did I tell on myself Brennan1111 (talk) 01:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Doug Weller and I are both administrators. Talkpage use is obligatory when you make changes like that. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your recent comment on my Talk Page

Hi,

You recently left this comment on my Talk page - "On this encyclopedia project, editors assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not appear to do at User talk:Vanamonde93. Here is Wikipedia's welcome page, and it is hoped that you will assume the good faith of other editors and continue to help us improve Wikipedia! Thank you very much! "

Here are some of the things that Vanamonde93 has said to me, these are all offensive -

1. "You're not hearing me" - This can be interpreted as patronising.
2. "You cannot simply google "Shivaji National Hero" and insert any source you find; you need to find reliable sources that actually support the statement you are inserting. If you had read Guha, for instance, you'd see he was summarizing Tilak's views, not describing Shivaji's legacy. I have explained this in detail above, so I will just say that further attempts to insert original research into the article may result in a trip to AE" - Vanamonde93 is assuming that I did not do due diligence, and more importantly, that I am simply googling stuff.
3. "grammar is appalling" (wrt to a change I made) almost sounds personal.
4. "Edit-warring is more than just 3RR, as you would know if you had read EW. " - Again, another assumption that I had not read EW.

He also made a number of unsubstantiated / provably false claims -

1. "You have made at least six reverts in the last week (probably more, I haven't checked every last one of your edits). " - Unsubstantiated, and too broad / vague
2. "these issues have been discussed with this user" (this was a part of comment that Vanamonde93 used to revert my changes). The changes in question had not been discussed with me before, so this is provably false.

Its hard for me to emphasise following -

1. "Assume good faith", "Collaborative exercise" etc. and rest of Wikipedia principles go both ways.
2. Administrators have special privileges when it comes to protecting pages and content on Wikipedia, and thats fine, but they do not enjoy any other privileges. In particular, they do not get to talk down people. And they certainly do not own Wikipedia.

Whether or not Vanamonde93 or anyone else agrees with the changes I made is another question. These changes are backed up by solid Academic Sources (e.g. Cambridge University Press). As such, whatever was happening was not an attempt at vandalism.

If you believe that what I did violated some policy, I would encourage you to raise it in appropriate forums. Nonentity683 (talk) 22:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

For your convenience, Doug: 6 reverts made by Nonentity683 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; and the full text of my edit-summary that NE takes exception to is here, which NE both misquotes and misrepresents; it is fairly clear to me that I was referring to previous discussions on the talk page. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shivaji&diff=prev&oldid=1170672669 This is not a revert, not sure why it is being tagged as such. One reason could be that I opened up https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shivaji&oldid=1170505401 for edit, but committed changes after https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shivaji&oldid=1170507529. In any case, this was not initiated as a revert from my end, but as a normal Edit. There must be some way to verify this.
2. Most importantly, these reverts are not for the same content. (Hence my initial confusion around this claim). These are for different parts / different content. As such, this is not a case of someone restoring same content over and over again over an extended period of time to cheat on the 24 Hour time Window for 3RR.
3. "No consensus for these changes; problems have been discussed on the talk page with this user " - This clearly says that problems have been discussed with this user in black and white.

Nonentity683 (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Nonentity683 Most importantly, these reverts are not for the same content. (Hence my initial confusion around this claim). These are for different parts / different content. As such, this is not a case of someone restoring same content over and over again over an extended period of time to cheat on the 24 Hour time Window for 3RR. Have you read WP:3RR and WP:EDITWAR? —DIYeditor (talk) 23:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

If you are talking about letter of law (so to speak), I only reverted 2 edits in last 1 days. The 5 Reverts mentioned above have happened over a larger time frame (Aug 11, 2023 onwards). As such, this does not run afoul of Letter of Law (if we are going by a strict interpretation of 3RR).

The point that "these reverts are not for the same content." was trying to make was that this is not an attempt at vandalism. It is not as though I was trying to restore same content again and again. Nonentity683 (talk) 00:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@ DIYeditor Nonentity683 (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

"The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly; it is not a definition of "edit warring", and it is absolutely possible to engage in edit warring without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so."

If you are going to continue to argue that " Chhatrapati is both a position and a title, not an Honorific per se." you need to do that on a relevant talk page showing multiple reliably published sources backing your position. Doug Weller talk 16:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller : It might help if we clarify that this thread is in response to message you left on my Talk page saying that I was not following Wikipedia Guidelines around Good intent etc. In other words, you were accusing me of potentially breaching Wikipedia policies and not being nice to people.

This thread is not litigating case around Chhatrapati title etc. That discussion is already ongoing on the Talk page of relevant page, enough Academic sources have been given.

I have already given you enough examples of instances where @Vanamonde93 used rude / offensive language, and assumed / assigned intent.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again - I'll very (times 10) strongly encourage both you and @Vanamonde93 to raise in appropriate forums if you believe that I have done something untoward here (either on Talk page on Shivaji, when it comes to reverts on page on Shivaji, or anywhere else on Wikipedia).

I am stepping out of this conversation. Not to be rude, but I am planning to ignore all replies to this thread. Nonentity683 (talk) 19:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Need help to upload updated Logo

Hi Dough,

Thank you for writing. I am an employee at Livingston International, and recently, we underwent a brand overhaul, which involved redesigning our logo. I require assistance with the process of uploading the updated logo, as I am currently encountering an issue where the system prevents me from overwriting the existing file. Your support in this matter would be greatly valued. Manjeetcares (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Manjeetcares sorry, that's not in my wheelhouse. WP:Teahouse but make it clear that you have a COI. Little technical things like this are permitted. Doug Weller talk 13:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Proud Indian Arnab

Hi Doug. If you or a talkpage watcher has a second, could you please take a look at Proud Indian Arnab (talk · contribs)'s contribs since your warning? Thanks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Indeffed. Johnuniq (talk) 05:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Damn. That’s Icewhiz… long dormant sleeper, yet no doubt whatsoever connecting the CU dots. Courcelles (talk) 05:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Courcelles That was fast! Doug Weller talk 09:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Mr Weller, you have accused me of threatening you. What do you mean by that?

Mr Weller, you have accused me of threatening you. What do you mean by that? Sweet6970 (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) He already said to take the issue to WP:BLP/N. He didn't say you were violating WP:THREAT just that he hoped you were not doing so. Doug is an admin (and an influential one) and posting this here is probably not the right approach. It was Butlerblog who even linked THREAT. —DIYeditor (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I am well aware that DW is an influential admin: we are acquainted. I object to him suggesting that I might have been threatening him. This is not only incorrect, it doesn’t even make sense in relation to my comment, which was about WP:BLP. Sweet6970 (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I don't think it's true that DW accused you of threatening him, as he said "I hope you aren’t threatening me". Second, you might be interested in WP:NLT#Perceived legal threats. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

As you have said, DW said I hope you aren’t threatening me This is a suggestion that I am threatening him. And as for ‘perceived legal threats’ – how on earth could my comment be perceived as a legal threat? The only person who could sue for defamation would be Brendan O’Neill. And DW has no grounds for believing I am B O’N. Sweet6970 (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) one of many Sweet6970 Doug has not accused you of threatening him. You are making a Michelin-starred three course meal with drinks and a fumble in the park on the way home out of a dry nothingburger. Go and do something productive. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I cannot wait to use "You are making a Michelin-starred three course meal with drinks and a fumble in the park on the way home out of a dry nothingburger." in some other discussion myself, claiming it as my own of course. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You're very welcome! Girth Summit _(blether) 17:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

GS, are you charging royalties for the usage of that quote?--Kansas Bear (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I can see that becoming an essay and a WP shortlink - like WP:FUMBLE. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I want to know why DW said I hope you aren’t threatening me. So far, he has not had the courtesy to reply, and in fact he deleted my original question. And Girth Summit and Floquenbeam– I don’t think it is appropriate to refer to a fumble in the park. Leave sex out of this. Sweet6970 (talk) 17:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You're sealioning. Please stop it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You are indeed sealioning. The correct response to someone saying 'I hope you aren't threatening me' is usually 'No, I'm not, sorry if you took it that way'. Just ignoring it is OK too. Going to their talk page to demand answers to why they said it is just silly, particularly when you were the one who started throwing around words like defamatory. Just drop this - it's not productive, and whatever the outcome you were hoping for is, I don't think you're going to get it. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it is a "tumble", a fumble would be a mistake I think. Sounds like one of those Dutch parks I've heard about. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh my... ButlerBlog (talk) 18:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Since this seems to have become a thing... @Kansas Bear: much as I'd love to become rich watching the royalties flow in, I think the terms of our licensing would prohibit that :( I have given the sentence to the world, free to use as they wish (I'm not going to chase up any failures in attribution...). @DIYeditor: 'fumble' was the intended word, I like the ambiguity. I don't know about you, but at my age if I'd had a three course dinner with drinks, I don't think I'd be capable of anything more specific than a fumble. @Butlerblog: be my guest! I'm tickled at the thought that despite any GAs and FAs I've scratched out, that sentence might become the thing I am remembered for on Wikipedia... Girth Summit _(blether) 10:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I see no marine mammals. What I see is an unedifying pile-on of admins against a rank-and-file editor. You should be ashamed. Sweet6970 (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

DIYeditor isn't an admin. Butlerblog isn't an admin. What you see is a whole bunch of people telling you you're in the wrong, and nobody agreeing with what you're doing. You can call that what you like, but I'm not ashamed of anything. Well, not anything I've done on Wikipedia recently - I'm only human... Girth Summit _(blether) 17:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You're a functionary, hence not human, and Floq has never been human, don't think he wants to be, far more interesting to be [fill in the blank].--Bbb23 (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Tariq Nasheed date

Actually there are several sources for his name Marcus Sanders. There is scanty evidence that he has used other names ie Marcus Rayford, Marcus V. Thomas. I don't know. Before you beat me to the revert, I was going to remove the info myself because I couldn't trust the sources either though folks on YT videos and info showing up on search readouts saying his birth name is M. Sanders. So, there you are. ThanksKoplimek (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Koplimek My problem was that you added material to cited text that wasn’t in the text. I then searched and as you did found sources making the claim but none that weren’t dubious which seems odd if it’s true. Thanks for responding. Doug Weller talk 20:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tariq Nasheed date

Actually there are several sources for his name Marcus Sanders. There is scanty evidence that he has used other names ie Marcus Rayford, Marcus V. Thomas. I don't know. Before you beat me to the revert, I was going to remove the info myself because I couldn't trust the sources either though folks on YT videos and info showing up on search readouts saying his birth name is M. Sanders. So, there you are. ThanksKoplimek (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Koplimek My problem was that you added material to cited text that wasn’t in the text. I then searched and as you did found sources making the claim but none that weren’t dubious which seems odd if it’s true. Thanks for responding. Doug Weller talk 20:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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Dilemma

Hi, we have a dilemma at Talk:Historical reliability of the Gospels#Reference problem and Talk:Historical reliability of the Gospels#Arbitrary break. Could you help us sort it out? tgeorgescu (talk) 01:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu sorr, really not in my wheelhouses. Doug Weller talk 14:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Tesla car owner

Not actually sure where I should bring this up, but I saw you on his talk page. Tesla car owner is still adding gibberish to articles. Take his most recent diff made a few hours ago. Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 11:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dialmayo Thanks. I've Black Kite and I both warned them a few days ago, I've posted again on their talk page pinging BK. Doug Weller talk 13:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Dialmayo:, I read your messages on my talk page. If you don't want me to edit here significantly then I'll will not edit. Tesla car owner (talk) 19:14, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

My English is not gibberish, actually I'm from India, we Indians speak and write in Indian English, which is different from British and American English in many aspects. Probably you don't know Indian English that's why, it is not making sense to you but it do not make our English gibberish. But it's ok, if you don't want me to edit, I'll not edit. Tesla car owner (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I quoted you a portion on your talk page that is gibberish. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I understand, I am writing like sometimes the way Joe Biden speaks, lol. I will do minimum editing on wp and if I did, I'll not write direct on the article, now on I'll write in sandbox, check it twice and then will add to article. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tesla car owner (talk) 13:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Revert request with some changes

Sir , I have added a map of Chandragupta 2 of Gupta dynasty. My intention is not to represent it as the map of mythological Vikramaditya but as the map of Chandrgupta 2 who also adopted the title Vikramaditya .

Sir please took a look , I added map under Chandrgupta 2 heading not in any other mythological Vikramaditya heading ....

Sir please revert it with some changes, if you want any modifications in what I have written please modify it .

Please guide me if I am violating any rule as I am not very experienced wiki user... thanks you . I hope you reply. The Jain Era (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@The Jain Era The issue for me is that I don't see a good reason for it at this article. If this one, why not the everyone who used the title? The important thing is the coin, people can click on his name to see more about him and the map of his empire (which I presume is in his article). Doug Weller talk 10:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The Jain Era is a block-evading sock. --Yamla (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@Yamla Thanks for letting me know. Doug Weller talk 19:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

List question

Hope it's OK to bug you with this question, Doug. Christian Zionism has been popping up in my watchlist lately as someone is adding to the list of "notable proponents". I looked at the history, and TBH, the list was excessive before this editor started adding to it. But now it's becoming unwieldy. I was going to just remove it altogether with some TP notes about what exactly determines "notable" along with the fact that all of the listed articles are in some way under Category:Christian Zionism (including its subcategories), making this embedded list unnecessary. It also ends up with about 1/3 of the total refs on the page being to cite individuals in the list, none of whom as far as I can tell are mentioned elsewhere in the article. Am I just being too knit-picky? Wondered if you could give me your opinion or thoughts. TIA. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Butlerblog going out to hear an Elvis impersonator but that does sound like a problem. I’m not going to have time for about 14 or 15 hours, sorry. Doug Weller talk 17:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Quick look, clearly too long. Wouldn’t this, cleaned up, qualify for being a list article? And if they have articles themselves and refs showing they are Christia Zionists, is there a notability problem? Doug Weller talk 17:36, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking a list article would be a good alternative, so I think we're on the same wavelength. I don't think there's a notability problem with any of them in terms of GNG. My concern was primarily what qualifies them as being "notable relative to Christian Zionism specifically". I hope you enjoy the Elvis impersonator - sounds like fun. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

After thinking about it for awhile, I ended up removing the list for now. Most of the list I don't have a particular problem with per se, but there are some inclusions that are not sourced specifically as "Christian Zionists" but rather are just Zionist Christians, or even simply Zionists, which are not necessarily the same (but I do concede those are probably not all that many). I do agree with you that it could be the start of a list article. In my removal, since the editor currently building this list has been fairly active on it, I noted my reasons on the TP, along with suggesting the possibility of a list article, and what I think the provisos of that would be. But as it was in the article, it was IMO an indiscriminate list. As always, your opinions and input are valuable should you choose to weigh in on it, but I also respect that you've got other important things going on as well - not the least of which is enjoying some fine entertainment off wiki ;-) (hope it was fun). ButlerBlog (talk) 16:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Butlerblog Thanks. The Elvis impersonator was dreadful. And kept making bad jokes. Seemed popular with the audience in our village though, and the Women's Institute raised some money. Even my wife who's a keen fan didn't like thim. C'est la view. Doug Weller talk 06:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Rev/del request

Could you take a look at [29] please. Knitsey (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey that needed suppression which I’ve done. It’s almost always better to email Oversight when it’s that bad, fortunately I’m an Oversighter. Thanks for spotting it. Doug Weller talk 19:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I saw your name on the list for rev/del and that you were recently active. I will e-mail in future if it's something like that. Thank you. Knitsey (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey Thanks. If it hadn't been so defamatory rev/del would have been ok and it could have waited. Doug Weller talk 06:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the adivice. I wasn't sure where the line was between rev/del or contacting an oversight admin. I think if I had thought about it, it was obvious that oversight was the way to go. Every day is a learning day on Wikipedia. Knitsey (talk) 09:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey Also, suppression isn't a last resort, in fact it can be a tool of first resort, it can always be downgraded or removed entirely. Wikipedia:Oversight/FAQ is a useful supplement to WP:OVER. Doug Weller talk 11:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Now I feel like a daft 'apeth for not seeing that lol. That makes things clearer.

Just for my own clarification, something like racism, I can usually message an admin on wiki, libellous edits are usually best sent to oversight?

The reason I ask specifically about racism is that as I mainly deal with vandalism, racist edits are fairly frequent.

I really appreciate the advice you've given. Knitsey (talk) 11:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Don't feel daft, there are still so many things I should know that I don't. Doug Weller talk 11:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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I don't care about anything Taylor Swift has done, will do, or plans to do. I care about Wikipedia being used for promotional purposes, and particularly being used to promote someone our own sources say is loved by the alt-right. chbarts (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Tell your wife! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Doug

I saw your comment on Corbie's talk page and wanted to ask how you are doing. Wikipedia is so blessed to have editors like you. You are a very kind and thoughtful person and one of the best examples of an admin. Just wanted to spread some Wiki-love on this Monday amid so much gloom. --ARoseWolf 15:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I second that comment. Best regards Doug, as ever, David, David J Johnson (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf@David J Johnson

Thanks for the kind words. I'm not too bad. I'll have a blood test in the middle of next month and then my Oncologist will tell me if I need more chemo. Going out to food festivals and a walk for Parkainson's Saturday. It's Parkinson's that's the main problem at the moment. Hands are steady, I don't fall, but walking is, well, odd. Doesn't feel right and I stagger at times. But 5k a day on my gym type treadmill isn't hard! So I can't really complain and remain optomistic. Doug Weller talk 16:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

That's wonderful news, Doug, on the whole. Good to hear you're able to make the most of these final days of summer! Generalrelative (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Doug, hang in there! You continue to impress me with how well you are handling this. Food festivals, Parkinson's walk, and 5k a day – you put me to shame! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Good to hear! Donald Albury 23:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

That's wonderful, Doug! I am so impressed with how you are handling everything that life has thrown at you. Whether in your worst moments or at your best you remain an inspiration to us all. Parkinson's is such an evil disease but you are making the most of it and finding ways to impact others in a positive way. That is to be commended and celebrated. You a remarkable human being, Doug, and I'm honoured to listen to your Song here. --ARoseWolf 16:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I have often thought that dancing like in a way to release your energies could help ease Parkingson's. I believe in ancient chi theories of the human body. Channeling your energies might help also. Im no doctor but I mention this as it might interest you. Best wishes, Thinker78 (talk) 04:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Mad World is a song I love dancing to when I feel frustrated, angry, sad, with bad energies or simply when I want to feeling ecstatic dancing. Just feel the music and let that feel drive your dance. Try feel frisson when dancing to it or any other epic song. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 03:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

That's great news, Doug! And I am really glad to hear. I am sure that your optimism will help you win this battle! Take care. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:04, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Your email

Re your e-mail, Doug. I'm having trouble with my gmail account, so I'm replying to your query here instead: please see WP:CASTE for the community caste sanctions. Bishonen | tålk 16:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC).

@Bishonen Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Follow-up on IP Warning

Hi Doug,

Following up on your warning to IP 93.72.49.123, I note that the IP has continued to make edits prohibited under the WP:GSRUSUKR, despite your warning, and warnings from multiple other Administrators. In the past few days, the IP has been edit warring [34], [35], [36] on a page covered by the general sanctions.

Please take a look and let me know what your think. Carter00000 (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

It'll have to wait I'm afraid, as I'm not going to be active much tonight, cooking, dinner, us time. Sorry. I can do it tomorrow if no one else does. Doug Weller talk 16:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your prompt reply. Please take your time, and have a look when it is convenient for you. Carter00000 (talk) 16:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

@Carter00000 Which edits? Doug Weller talk 16:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

These are the edits for the edit war from the past few days [37], [38], [39]. Further edits include the following [40], [41], [42], [43], [44]. Carter00000 (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

To provide a further update, the IP has now made a PA [45] on the talk page realting to the content being edit-warred over. The IP later amended the wording [46]. Carter00000 (talk) 06:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Noted that you have followed-up on this request. Thank you very much for your assistance. Carter00000 (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Leyo

Hi Doug, I hope you are doing okay. If you've got the time, could you take a look at Leyo's comments in this AFD? They appeared out of nowhere and commented that mine and KoA's !votes are less valid because I have a link to meta:exclusionism on my user page(!) and because KoA has previously reverted edits to the page. It's concerning coming so soon after the admin review and AE request which both admonished him and looks an awful lot like WP:HOUNDING. I'm not really sure on next steps. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 22:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

@Smartse Tired, can't quite get my head around it, will keep looking at it. Doug Weller talk 15:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Smartse, I looked (as a non-admin) at those AfD comments, and they concern me, to put it mildly. I would suggest going back to AE. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish that makes sense, I agree. Doug Weller talk 17:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(talk page watcher) Thanks for looking into this Doug. For what it's worth, Z1720 did volunteer to help for when Leyo started up battleground behavior again when I opened an AE not long after the admin action review, so maybe they could be another set of eyes. There I was asking for help with the battleground pursuit mentality from Leyo outside of the admin tool abuse issue. The admin tool use unfortunately got most of the attention at AE instead of addressing the underlying behavior I was concerned would just continue based on past history (and here we are again). I recently reminded Leyo I was trying to avoid them after some recent much lower level sniping than this, but it looks like they dismissed that and kept going.

Now that they are escalating to disrupting AFDs with pretty clear WP:TPNO comments and not just targeting me now, I'm not sure if the interaction ban alone I asked for earlier would solve the spreading problems (or maybe it would take away their core pursuit target). I'm not sure how productive a short block for personal attacks would be in the hope that it finally gets across to them to disengage, but I would have hoped the admin review would have already given them enough warning. I'm stumped on what to suggest too without needing to resort to formal sanctions at this point. Tryptofish may be right that this has to go back to AE, though I'm on extremely limited time through the weekend to contribute to that. Leyo's last admin tool abuse disrupted time I had off for vacation, but family time I have coming up I need to be a little more defensive of. KoA (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

When I look back at that AE thread, what stands out to me is that it was very much about Leyo's then-stated intention to back off, and the sense that, if Leyo did indeed back off, then that would be that. What's sadly clear from the current AfD, as well as the recent MEDRS discussion, is that the backing off has not happened. I have some personal issues of my own that will preclude me starting a new AE thread, but if someone else starts one I will certainly comment. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

My concern back at AE was that Leyo did not address the behavior side and largely sidestepped that side of the issue (or doubled down on it at AE). Basically just saying they'd step back from admin duties, but repeatedly remained silent on the underlying behavior. That sidestepping happened at the block review too with a few things others mentioned, but it did produce the effect of making it seem like Leyo was stepping back from everything unfortunately for some readers. Hopefully that's more apparent in hindsight now for others.

And yeah, I saw you are having your own health complications (as well as Doug's ongoing case), so definitely try to take it easy or at least reduce some stress by avoiding timesinks if you can. KoA (talk) 18:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• I got some time to put together an AE request after this conversation where hopefully this time sink can be resolved: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Leyo. KoA (talk) 16:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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My story today is sad but great. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles. I saw that you participated in a discussion on a similar topic. Sunnya343 (talk) 18:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Shoemaker's case

Hello Doug Weller. I stumbled on the story of User talk:Shoemaker's Holiday, an editor with 200 featured article contributions and the top contributor in the civility policy (even though they left in 2010). You may be interested in their case. Regards, --Thinker78 (talk) 04:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Image at Parkinson's disease

Hi Doug Weller, if you feel comfortable sharing could you help me understand why you find the image at Parkinson's disease offensive? I primarily edit articles on diseases, and am often selecting images to use. I'd hate to think I'm selecting images that offend someone affected by the disease; typically we get so little feedback it's challenging to know. Any insight you're willing to share would be appreciated. Pardon the blindness to feelings you may think are obvious. Spending time in the medicine space does warp one's perspective. Thank you. Ajpolino (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ajpolino I'm 81 in a few days. Weakened a bit by last year's surgeries perhaps, but I still do 5 or 6k a day on my treadmill with a walk around a local reservoir at times. I can do most normal things with no problems. Although I have Parkinson's, probably for 8 years, I still consider myself strong and healthy for my age and due to good genes look younger for my age. The image is of a decrepit old man. Nothing like me or 84% as I recall of those with Parkinson's. Did you look at the linked video or read the JAMA article? Images need to reflect the overall experience, not that of a small minority. Does that helP> Doug Weller talk 08:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Fbnine45

Hi, you left a final warning on this user's talk page on the 8th. Would you still consider blocking the user for their recent changes? —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 22:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Hope you don't mind, Doug.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bbb23 No problem, but the block revoked tpa and yet they edited their talk page later. Doug Weller talk 08:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you are confused about the sequence. My initial block did not revoke TPA. After I blocked at 22:56, the user made the vulgar attack at 23:23. I then revoked TPA at 23:46. You reverted the user's attack at 8:03 (we're now into today) and revoked TPA at 8:04. No big deal, just adds an unnecessary entry to the block log.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

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Follow-up on IP Block

Hi Doug,

Following up on your block of IP 93.72.49.123, the IP has again made an edit on a page prohibited under WP:GSRUSUKR, despite your block. The following edit was made on Vulkan files leak.

Please take a look and let me know what your think. Carter00000 (talk) 10:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Carter00000 Blocked. Doug Weller talk 12:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for following-up on the issue. Carter00000 (talk) 09:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

deleted section on my Wikipedia page

You deleted a paragraph about my Mithradates Eupator profile on Facebook which was removed by Facebook in 2015. I tried to reinstate it, apologies for calling it a minor edit. You joined my Mithradates group (not profile) on Oct 24, 2023 apparently to prove that the profile still exists. The explanation and source for the paragraph you removed can be found in the "About" section of the Mithradates Eupator group on Facebook. I was the manager of the profile that was deleted by Facebook and I am the manager of the new group that I established in 2015. What is the problem with keeping this paragraph on Wikipedia? what further sort of "source" do you need? Thank you. Sufiji (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I also joined because I thought it would be interesting. I saw this after posting something about your writing on the Facebook page the Archaeology Wall of Shame and reading your article again. I wasn't sure if it was meant to be positive or negative, but it could be read wither way. It was unsourced so I removed it. I looked for sources meeting WP:RS, which in this case means secondary sources reliably published. I couldn't find anything. I don't doubt that it is true but that's never enough here, nor is someone's personal knowledge of experience. Sorry about that. Doug Weller talk 07:02, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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Dwarka

Sir, it is regarding disruptive editing in this article. I'd like to request a page protection if possible. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Done. Doug Weller talk 10:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Coelbren y Beirdd

Hi,

My edit at "Coelbren y Beirdd" was just to revert the addition of a disambiguation link to "script". It may well be that "writing system" is not the most appropriate target link, but I'm fairly certain that "script" is not the right target either. Would "alphabet" be better?

Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Agh. Sorry. script perhaps? Do you want to do it? Doug Weller talk 20:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

No, that's okay. I'll leave it to you! Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Anthroposophy

Could you comment at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#SamwiseGSix? Things have gone awry and nobody seems to care. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

tgeorgescu, please do not canvas. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: First I'm told to find an admin who cares, now I'm told not to canvass. Retracted. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Kurds discussion from 2012

Further information: Talk:Kurds § Kurdish people are an Iranian ethnic group?, and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Serchia

Just so that you know. Uncle G (talk) 05:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

@Uncle G Thanks. Pretty busy weekend and today just as busy. I'll try to read the RfC. Doug Weller talk 14:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Reconsider?

Hi, Doug. You may like to re-read your edit summary here, and read the paragraph as it was after you had restored it. JBW (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JBW Thanks, bunt I'm not sure I want to waste my time on an edit by a sockpuppet. Does the present version need fixing? Doug Weller talk 12:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Looked at it again, this is what I reverted[50]. Doug Weller talk 13:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes indeed; you reverted perfectly constructive removal of evidently accidental duplication of content, which, whether the editor you reverted was a sockpuppet or not, was unhelpful. I have made similar mistakes myself, and I don't blame you for doing likewise, but I just thought it might be helpful to point it out to you, as a warning for a kind of mistake to look out for in future. I am always grateful to editors who draw my attention to mistakes I have made. JBW (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JBW Much appreciated; I hadn't noticed that. Too busy clearing up a mess but that's really no excuse. I often leave sock edits if reverting them would make the article worse. Doug Weller talk 15:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

... on a completely different note ...

I have just seen your quote from John McCutcheon on your user page. 👍. JBW (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Great singer, great sentiments. Doug Weller talk 15:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gabi838r

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Skyerise

Just a quick head's up, I have reviewed the block you placed on this user, which is on hold after they submitted an unblock request. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:54, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: you also could lift the near decade-old (!!!) semi-protection of their talk at the same time. I don't think blocking anons from talking to them is helpful. Since communication seems to be key, us limiting who they communicate with seems counter-productive. ——Serial 17:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

RFC notice on VP

Publishing a RFC at Village Pump is perfect reasonable per WP:RFCTP. Would you rather it be at WP:VPM? The village pump is pretty relaxed so it really shouldn't matter. That topic is dominated by same group of editors so as much outside input that can be generated is good to get a consensus one way or the other. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes but that wasn't a proposal. "This page is for concrete, actionable proposals as I understand the word. Consider developing earlier-stage proposals at Village pump (idea lab)." The one below about emoji redirects is. Doug Weller talk 20:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Why did you revert my edit on Noah’s ark?

I don’t think we should treat something that many people believe as a revelation from God as someone copying a story from an ancient story. Brennan1111 (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Brennan1111 Just as we never accept the biblical creation story as anything but an origin myth. We’re a mainstream encyclopaedia. Doug Weller talk 20:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a reporting guy, but

@Doug Weller I have been undoing edits (bias) on the Libertarian Party of Argentina article for hours. I honestly don't know how it works to contact the administration, but this guy won't stop.

Eh... and it's not like I can be 24 hours a day checking the article. 93.45.229.98 (talk) 21:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I’m sorry I can’t help you. Dispute resolution at WP:DRN. I’m not sure what the main problem is, when your block expires perhaps you can explain it to me. Doug Weller talk 22:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Help with request for deletion

Hi Doug! I am fairly new at editing wikipedia but recently filed the first time for deletion. It feels a bit nerve wrecking because I want to do everything correct and respectfully. It's about this article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolfram_Aichele#Concerns_about_Conflict_of_Interest and some articles I mentioned in that comment on that Talk page. I see you filed for deletion in 2011 for Wolfram: The Boy Who Went To War so I am coming back to you as it is a bit related. If you have time and capacity, let me know whether my procedure was okay or whether I am mis-reading or accidentally disregarding some Wiki rules. I have similar concerns for Alexandra Milton, Wolfram Aichele, Erwin Aichele, Giles Milton as stated on the Talk page as well as all the Bibliography edits on various historical Wikipedia pages and I'm not entirely sure what's the correct procedure. I'm just leaning out of the window at the moment to see what happens. Have a good start in your day. Hiko (talk) 13:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hiko Ah, you used a prod. Have you considered WP:COIN? But you would need to have a name for an editor who you think has a COI; I'll try to look tomorrow. Doug Weller talk 16:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, of course you have names. Doug Weller talk 16:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Cool, I didn't know WP:COIN, I submitted it there as well, thanks! Hiko (talk) 17:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Doug Weller. I don't think we've personally crossed paths but I've seen a few people speak very highly of you. I'm looking to interview people here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki markup

Is that really true? That you don't know how to edit in wiki markup? How then did you manage during the years that Visual Editor wasn't a thing yet? — Python Drink (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course I know the basics, but I like the visual editor and there’s a lot of markup I don’t know. Doug Weller talk 19:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Navbox feedback sought

Hi, Doug,

I'm looking for a friendly face in order to get feedback on a new Navbox I just wrote, so I can polish it up before I advertise it more widely. It's called {{Ancient seafaring}}, and it's a member of multiple WikiProjects related to antiquity, and your name was the only familiar one in the list of members of WP:WikiProject Ancient Egypt. (The other related WikiProjects are Rome, Greece, MILHIST, Phoenicia, and Ships, but I haven't tried those yet.) Not sure if you're a fan of Nav boxes or feel like having a look, I know you're busy with things both on- and off-wiki. If not, if you could suggest an Egypt-project person you trust, otherwise I'll pick a different project. Thanks, and hope you're doing well and having fun! Mathglot (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Probably a good idea to ask User:A. Parrot Doug Weller talk 15:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what kind of input you're looking for, but it looks like you've found every seafaring-related article in the ancient Egypt topic area. (I didn't even know we had ancient Egyptian navy). A. Parrot (talk) 15:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, both! One of the goals was definitely to gather together articles for browsability and awareness, and if you weren't aware of that navy article (neither was I, before I started), then it's already begun to serve its purpose. Mathglot (talk) 02:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk page

Hello,

What did you mean by what you said on my talk page?

Thanks Zilch-nada (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@Zilch-nadaThis needs to be discussed on your talk page. Doug Weller talk 15:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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Reporting a bug related to MediaWiki message delivery

Hi Doug, I just noticed that the Administrators' newsletter – December 2023 has been delivered to the user TheProEditor11, a novice editor (level 4)! I just thought, I should share this apparent bug! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 17:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian They signed up to it, anyone can do that. Their user page says they hope to become an Admin someday. Doug Weller talk 17:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh, okay! I wasn't aware, and thought it could be a bug! Sorry, but thanks for your time! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 17:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Advice request

Pinging @Bishonen: as another administrator familiar with the editor in question, and who might be able to help.

I presented evidence to this recently-closed ArbCom case (see here), which I amended after the editor Gtoffoletto was explicitly added as a party to the case. As you can read from the above link, the evidence I presented included a substantial number of recent examples of Gtoffoletto engaging in personal attacks, aspersions, and harassment against one of the case's named parties. I noted further that such attacks from Gtoffoletto were also evident on the ArbCom case's own Talk pages.

Something, however, apparently went wrong/didn't stick/was missed/whatever with adding Gtoffoletto as a party, and they were later removed, sort of, from the case. It was unquestionably an ArbCom snafu. But...what about all those personal attacks I cited? That evidence received no action/concern/comment whatsoever by the committee or, for that matter, any other administrators. Do I interpret this situation correctly, that procedural mistakes within an ArbCom case render multiple examples of egregious behavior immune from sanction? Seems like a creative mechanism for mooting an editor's repeated violations of policy.

So, other than never again contributing to any ArbCom case (about which I will shortly self-trout a reminder onto my Talk page), do you have any advice on what I should do going forward? I don't much like ignoring egregious personal attacks, at least not when they are directed against other editors, and we're talking about well over a dozen of them. But I also don't much like wasting my time if legitimate concerns about personal attacks, aspersions, etc. are simply going to be ignored. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I hope that nobody minds my replying to JoJo as a (talk page watcher) who also happened to be very involved in the case. First of all, there's no reason for you to conclude from that, that you should never again contribute to an ArbCom case. Welcome to Wikipedia, where sometimes you say something and other people don't respond. But the only take-away from what happened is that ArbCom recognized, correctly, that it would be unfair as a matter of process to sanction that editor after adding them as a party so late that the editor would not have had a sufficient opportunity to respond. It wasn't a determination that what the person said was OK. These things are where it's best to think in terms of WP:There is no deadline (even though that essay is about content). There is still WP:AE. Hopefully, that editor will learn from that experience, and do better in the future, but if not, there is still AE. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Basically it was messy. It moved with glacial slowness at times. And what's the difference between a warning and an admonishment? User:JoJo Anthrax your posts weren't a waste of time. If Gtoffoletto continues in that vein I expect it will end in a block, possibly indefinite. Perhaps I should have posted but life has been very hectic and I also didn't want to do anything that might make me seem an involved Admin. For I hope obvious reasons. Doug Weller talk 20:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

I was half way through writing a report about this user when I noticed your block -- thanks saving me the trouble :). Happy editing, JBL (talk) 21:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll It was pretty obvious when you look at the history. Interesting long gap since their last edit. Doug Weller talk 22:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed -- hopefully an indication that they're only a part-time white supremacist or something :/ --JBL (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Caste obsessed user: unexplained edit warring

Hi Doug, can you please have a look at the recent revision history of the article, Tili Jati which is nothing more than a WP:REDUNDANTFORK as well as a WP:POVFORK of the article on Tilli; in fact it became redundant after I removed all possible OR! The user SWAPAN.CHAKROBARTY011112 is edit warring (without edit summaries) in spite of all forms of warnings on their talk page. Please help! Thanks & Regards, Ekdalian (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian Blocked. Doug Weller talk 21:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

I was gonna give you a beer, but decided against it. Both cancer and PD and you're still fighting. Inspriration to us all, I hope you Christmas is good, you New Years is stellar, and your Festivus is filled with joy. I like Astatine (Talk to me) 04:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Protection of the page: "Jan Peter Toennies"

Dear Doug. Peter Toennies has brought to my attention that his English biographical wiki page is in pretty bad shape. It is indeed so (e.g., he is not an American scientist to begin with). Previously, he was trying to maintain the page himself, but he understood from communication with some of the editors/users that a person is not supposed to be creating or editing their page themselves. Therefore he asked for my advice (he is 93 and I'm 45 ;). I'm not a regular Wikipedia contributor and don't exactly know what the rules are, so I'm trying to figure it out as I go.

My current understanding is that Peter Toennies can legitimately have a bio page per the wiki notability criteria for academics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)). He definitely fulfills the criteria 1,2,3,5,8. Previous edits lacked references, which can be easily provided. I have done so in the tentative edits currently posted in the Talk section of the page. It would be great if you can either unprotect the page for me to bring it to a decent shape or introduce the edits yourself/explain why they are not appropriate.

My connection with J. Peter Toennies: I worked in his group in 2001-2005 and he served as the supervisor of my PhD thesis, which I submitted back in 2004. Currently I'm working as a department head at Max-Born-Institute in Berlin and have practically no scientific overlap with Peter anymore. We do communicate occasionally.

I appreciate your assistance. With best wishes,

   Oleg. Kappuzin (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I’m sorry. I already have promised someone else who has been creating Parkinson’s images for me to work on their page. I suggest you post this at WP:BLPN. Doug Weller talk 18:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I have posted it there. Not sure I understand the reference to the Parkinson's images :)

With best wishes,

Oleg. Kappuzin (talk) 19:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kappuzin I’m working on the bio of the professor who made new images for our articles on Parkinson’s, which I have as well as terminal cancer. Doug Weller talk 20:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Dear Doug, oh, very sorry. Apologies for asking. I very much appreciate your help and will get working on the article asap. Kappuzin (talk) 11:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kappuzin no problem at all. Doug Weller talk 11:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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Doug, I wish you and yours a very happy holiday season. I hope you remain safe and enjoy this time of the year. For the new year I hope for health and healing. I know it may be me being selfish but I want many more years with you as a friend and member of this community. You have impacted me in such a positive way and I have learned a lot from you. Keep sharing your Song and your Colors, they are beautiful and awe inspiring. --ARoseWolf 17:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hope you're doing well

Glad to see you around, Doug. Hope your latest treatments, are, well, treating you well! and that you are feeling happy and getting good time with your family and friends. Andre🚐 12:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Andrevan Thanks, we've had a great Christmas this year. Our last ever Open House, raising over 500 pounds for MacMillan and Crisis at Christmas - the house was decorated almost everywhere, snow scenes, holly, garlands, a tree that my wife decorated that looks as though it belongs in a department store. I made eggnog and brownies. We got rid of a lot of the decorations both that we use and don't use giving them away for donations. My wife didn't want to have to put them back in the attic (and at this point I can't help here anymore). Doug Weller talk 13:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Doug. My jaw's dropped, my eyes are dewy and, well, small correction, you've now raised over 600 pounds for MacMillan and Crisis because they both do such vital work and because you and your wife are so inspiring. Thank you both. NebY (talk) 14:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

What a lovely tree, and what a lovely cause! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

500 pounds, that's a lot of eggnog and brownies! 🥁󠁞💣 Macmillan Cancer Support, I assume? And well done, that's an inspiring story, and admirable. Please update your tabulation by the amount of £142.00 GBP, donated via ✨✨ Paypal ✨✨ because I couldn't convince them mine was a valid postcode on their own website.Andre🚐 07:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@NebY,@Andrevan, I am literally in tears. You are so kind, that people I only know from here have been so generous that is beyond any expectations I've ever had. My wife and I can't thank you enough. It's an incredible kindness from people I know only through Wikipedia and shows how much of a real community Wikipedia is. There's a phrase, "the kindness of strangers", I'm not sure where it comes from, that this reminds me of. A fantasy and science fiction writer, Charles de Lint, wrote "Every time you do a good deed you shine the light a little farther into the dark. And the thing is, when you're gone that light is going to keep shining on, pushing the shadows back." There's too much shadow in the world today, but a little less now. Doug Weller talk 09:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, what a fine quote from de Lint - thank you! "I have always been dependent on the kindness of strangers" is more difficult for me, charged with all the tragedy and violence and loss (including of respect and dignity) of A Streetcar Named Desire, but yes, one of the great things about Crisis is that right from their first Christmas they put respect and dignity at the heart of their work. Such a great choice and along with Macmillan too; thank you, and I'm glad to have been prompted - but sorry about the tears! NebY (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, the pedant's ears miss the beauty in your remarks as they stir to the inquiry implicit in them. The phrase in English is of course from Tennessee Williams' play but it ultimately comes from Cicero's defense of Sextus Roscius where C quotes his client's words:'praedia mea tu possides, ego aliena misericordia vivo' (145) (You possess my farmlands, I live on the clemency of other(s), a line that smacks to my twisted mind of a contemporary situation). You're no stranger to us, though, Doug but a friend to an entire community of long standing. Have a great New Year, Doug. Best Nishidani (talk) 10:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Nishidani Great to hear from you. I hope all is well with you and yours. Doug Weller talk 14:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Doug, Just to say thinking of you and yours and hoping the New Year will be positive for you. I'm awaiting the results of latest blood tests - always a rough time. Very best regards, David & Susie Johnson. David J Johnson (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@David J Johnson Yes, like waiting for my CT scan. Hoping that you’ll also have a good New Year. All the best from Doug and Helen. Doug Weller talk 19:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year to you Doug. It is so good to see you keeping strong and carrying on with your great contribution to Wikipedia. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dudley Miles Thanks Dudley. Good to hear from you. Happy New Year. Doug Weller talk 19:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Our Christmas tree this year

Decorated by my wonderful wife Helen Walland .

Doug Weller talk 15:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Spectacular, in the most tender possible way. Worth a thousand words. Lovely tree, lovely people! And very well done with Macmillan, to you and to Helen. Haploidavey (talk) 07:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Very nice! Donald Albury 21:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Doug Weller!

Happy New Year!

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Asking for a friend...

OK, not really... asking some advice for me, actually. But first, let me say, it turned into a large saga, so since I very much respect your time - both on wiki and off - if you don't want to bother looking at this, I completely understand - just skip to reply and say so (or ignoring it is fine, too). Just in case you need to skip to a "thanks, but I can't look at this", I'll slip my New Year's greeting here at the top. I am hoping you have a great new year, and wish you the best in your fight!

Now the mess... should you decide to look at it. There was a round of edit warring on The Chosen (TV series) over some cast list items. This spilled over into a talk page discussion, and ultimately, an ANI thread resulting in a partial block for the other editor. During that, there was some personal talk page discussion. After it, since the partial block was the article and not the TP, there was additional talk page activity, some additions to the ANI thread, and my last ditch effort to explain things on the editor's TP.

• Initial article TP discussion (after and during reverts of the original edit): [60]
• ANI thread opened by me, resulted in a partial block on her for 3RR: [61]
• Her discussion on my TP during ANI discussion: [62]
• Her continued discussion on article TP after article block: [63]
• I split the article, incorporated her requested changes, and posted about it on the article TP: [64]
• At the same time as the above, I tried to explain to her the personal attacks rather than take it to ANI: [65]

To give diffs that put it into time order would be a mess, and looking at it all is a slog, and therefore, I am completely aware that it's a "big ask" to ask you to look at it at all. So why am I asking? I respect your experience and the high regard most of the admins I look to also respect it. I'm trying to figure out if it's the other editor (my opinion) or just me (humble enough to say that's a possibility), if I could have done something better (like drop it altogether), or maybe my approach as the other editor indicated really is "off-putting and rude". Ultimately, it boils down to she accused me of personal attacks (in which I see there were none - I think she views opening an ANI discussion as a form of attack on her personally), when in fact she did make several attacks on me (which we define by our policies as personal attacks - I believe she doesn't see it that way), some of which were technical and I didn't even point out. My end attempt to explain that seems to have ended in failure, and my concern is that since her stated intention is further editing within an article that I have also spent a good deal of effort then has the potential for future strain that I would like to avoid if possible (IBAN seems drastic). I may ultimately have to just walk away from the article, which I am loathe to do as I put a large effort into getting it to where I could put it in for GA nom. I already did that twice and failed because this editor decided to edit war (something that bothered me previously, but I have now come to the conclusion that GA nom was too early anyway because the article is for a series that is not yet concluded and thus really not finished). Again, if this is all too much of an ask, please say so; I respect you too much to think otherwise. If you did come this far, my heartfelt thanks for even reading this at all. Once again, best wishes in the new year! ButlerBlog (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Butlerblog the problem is the time difference. I’m tired, fell asleep watching tv before dinner which I never do, I’ll be on my y pc in 12 hours, can’t do anything serious on this iPad. If it’s not settled then I’ll look. Doug Weller talk 20:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries - thanks, Doug! (I agree on the iPad - I've tried to use the mobile version and can't stand it - I much prefer a desktop version) ButlerBlog (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I took a quick look. I've got no problems with your being explicit, detailed at times, and even blunt. Maybe you need to be a bit more informal, if you follow me. Some people are very difficult to communicate with and take offense easily when none is intended. I wouldn't walk away from something you have been so invested in. I've noticed this being mentioned [66] but need to look at it later. Need to get on my treadmill now. Doug Weller talk 09:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug, not only for taking the time, but also for your advice and guidance. That is all very helpful. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Butlerblog no problem. Let me know if I can help more, in any way. It doesn't look like a pleasant situation to be in. Doug Weller talk 14:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate that and will be prudent with any future ask. From here, I'm hoping the dust will settle (I'm always an optimist). Stay well! ButlerBlog (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

SPI

Hi Doug Weller. Can you please take a look at this. User is trying to bring Draft:Tula/Tilak/Tuli Caste to mainspace without proper sourcing, formatting and has promotional language as well. Has been moved to draft/deleted multiple times. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira done. Let me know if you see any future ones. Pretty obvious attempts at creating bad articles. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 09:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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0RR restriction re. Koavf

Hello. I'm not a registered user so I don't think I can post at WP:AN but I just wanted to let you know as you've already pointed out the issue with user Koavf's talk page messages that you might want to raise there that this is how he's dealing with a 0RR restriction: User talk:Oldsource#Changing styles, Special:Diff/1193479075, Special:Diff/1193439393. Harassing users by repeatedly asking them to undo their own edits because he can't undo them himself. Over track listing formats? It just doesn't seem feasible or reasonable for him to do indefinitely. 2A01:599:81A:65E6:38B0:CB01:A292:785A (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I take your point but I don't see anything that can or should be done unless this becomes an issue with other editors. If he remains civil and doesn't harass, I doubt anyone will object. If he isn't and does then someone will probably notice and either bring it to AN or block. Doug Weller talk 14:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

History of the Dene/Athabaskan people

Greetings, so, I am unsure if you know anything about the history of the Dene/Athabaskan peoples but since I see you around discussing fringe theories including on history and archaeology, I was wondering if you knew where to look for information (or at least, a better talk page) about their migration. I've recently expanded Mount Churchill, the volcano that produced the White River Ash. There is a widespread theory that one of these ash layers drove the migration of Dene-speaking people south into the present-day USA, but I don't get a clear impression about whether this is the mainstream theory, or there is disagreement. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I presume you did this search[67] and perhaps found this[68]. Sorry, this is interesting but at the moment I don't have time. I wish I did. Doug Weller talk 14:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

That's one of the sources, but the problem is that as noted at Talk:Mount Churchill#Possibly outdated study it seems like there is reasoned disagreement with the 2020 study. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus good point. Probably shows why I shouldn't get involved without doing more research myself! Doug Weller talk 16:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Lies are dishonest

You have a problem with me calling an editor dishonest after they have told repeated lies. I did not make any unsourced edits on the MGTOW page. I wrote a brief a summary of the history and ideology into the lede, using information from those sections that is already source. I was also dishonestly accused of not discussing my edits after my suggestions for edits were repeatedly deleted from the talk page, after I was asked to discuss my edits on the talk page! GalantFan (talk) 08:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

This isn't going to help you if you try to appeal, quite the opposite.. Doug Weller talk 08:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Shawnee Nation URB

facts Peshewapope (talk) 01:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

can I send you a picture of the actual document of recognition? Sub. Am. H.J.R. No. 8. The top line of this document literally reads "To recognize the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band". Please consider this. It's a real document of legal standing and is being suppressed on this platform by yourself and your friends here. Please consider it... Peshewapope (talk) 01:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Peshewapope Exactly how and where did I suppress this? Read WP:NPA. I'm not interested in that article. Doug Weller talk 07:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, templates and minor edits

Hello, kudoz for being so diligent in terms of civility. I reiterate that I won't edit articles related to the Ukraine. I will stop marking my edits as minor, I actually never read the definition and what I thought of as minor actually weren't. Sorry about that. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ouro Glad to hear that. You're an experienced editor so you should be fine, just avoid the commentary. We all have our strong opinions about things. Doug Weller talk 13:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the understanding, appreciate the calm approach. Have a good day! --Ouro (blah blah) 14:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikidrifterr

Thanks. Also appears to be using LLMs to game EC status. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 I hadn't noticed that. Does seem to be making many large edits. Doug Weller talk 17:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Page protection request(s)

There are three archives at User_talk:LuckyLouie that are attracting some vandalism, probably because my User page and User Talk page are already protected. If you could add protection to those archive pages for a couple of weeks that would be great. Thanks, - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@LuckyLouie where? Links please, thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

[69], [70], [71] - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@LuckyLouie Done, but your user page isn't protected. Doug Weller talk 19:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you protect that one, too? - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Request removal of Topic Ban

I write to request removal of the topic ban for pages related to WP:MEDRS.

Thanks for your consideration. sbelknap (talk) 15:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sbelknap Ask at WP:AN. I see no reason to unban you, I'll comment there if necessary. Doug Weller talk 16:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I've edited without problems on other topics. I understand why I was topic banned for WP:MEDRS. What else is necessary to revoke this topic ban? sbelknap (talk) 20:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Appeal as above. Doug Weller talk 21:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Mahmud Invasion of Bhatia (1004)

I believe this "article" is in need of a major rewrite using reliable sources. Would you be able to move this article back to the creating editor's draft space? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear Sorry forgot about this. I can look tomorrow but it’s not something I’ve ever done. I did really badly mess up a move once. Doug Weller talk 19:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

It's all good Doug. No worries. I think it's been nominated for deletion. Stay strong, my friend. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kansas BearThanks. Doing ok, 3rd round of chemo next Thursday. Doug Weller talk 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Constructive comments and edit requests

I notice you left a notice to a new editor on his talk page re EC articles, indicating that "constructive comments" and edit requests were permissible on the article talk page. However. This [72] indicates that only edit requests are permissible. Can you clear this up? I think possibly a template message needs to be revised. Thank you. Coretheapple (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Coretheapple That would not surprise me at all. But I can’t find where I did that.Could you give me a link and I’ll take a look tomorrow? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 21:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking of your comments to this user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thewildshoe I see that they were a year ago. It appears to be a template message but I can't find if it has been changed. I imagine that some users who received this message a year ago may not be up to speed on the current restriction. I certainly wasn't! Coretheapple (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Coretheapple I haven’t seen a response at the Arb clerks talk page. Maybe you could chime in? Doug Weller talk 20:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen that discussion. Do you have a link? I raised this issue here. The responses did not directly address the situation. Coretheapple (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I see it now. Thanks! Will definitely weigh in. Coretheapple (talk) 20:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I hope for clarity at some point. I hope that Arbcom realizes that "there is no deadline" does not mean "doing nothing till Hell freezes over." Coretheapple (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for protecting the article on Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu

Hi Doug Weller.. there's a content dispute in the article on Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu, and an IP editor (possibly a POV pusher) is involved; please check Talk:Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu#Varna Dispute.You know how difficult it is to convey messages (e.g DS alert, edit warring, warnings) to an IP editor! Moreover, all such contentious caste articles like Kayastha, Bengali Kayastha are protected (ECP), while this one has no protection! Would request you to protect the article. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I think I've done that ok, although others have edit notices it doesn't appear that this GS requires one. I probably have to log it which I will do later. Doug Weller talk 14:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Doug! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 14:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Alaska4Me2

Hi Doug, I got nosy and found that you had dealt with Alaska4Me2 before, so I thought I'd call your attention to their current dead-horse-whipping at Talk:Sound of Freedom (film). In particular, this latest comment reads like a veiled aspersion to me, given that EducatedRedneck was merely trying to help organize the talk page and immediately was suspiciously questioned by the one editor that's already been calmly asked to relax, multiple times. ER handled it nicely and professionally, but I also find Alaska4Me2's statement 'I don't understand your reference to "ANI'" hard to believe, as they've been reported there three times in the last six months. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems to have been settled amicably since your post. Doug Weller talk 07:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I hope so. Fred Zepelin (talk) 19:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems to have been settled amicably since your post. Doug Weller talk 08:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops, Wikipedia was acting freakly, problems posting, so a double showed up! Doug Weller talk 08:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

You can never be duplicated Doug. StonyBrook _babble 10:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Doug, regarding ECP gaming and this revert, see the interaction report for OctoGreeko vs User:AstroSaturn, a blocked sock of User:Breaker007. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sean.hoyland thanks. Interesting, I'll investigate. Chemo session soon so it might have to wait until after that. Doug Weller talk 09:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like fun. I'll file an SPI report so you can relax and enjoy the chemo session... Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sean.hoyland Thanks. They aren't too bad. Had a great conversation with two of the aides last time, about America and politics. Doug Weller talk 10:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

A response to your question at FTN

I'm responding here simply to avoid a major tangent within the FTN discussion. You probably already know this, but that user (Archangel1966) was indef blocked last November by Bbb23 following this discussion at ANI. This post on their Talk page was a post-block, neonatal example of the personal attacks against LuckyLouie that have lately become de rigueur within the woo set. I am unable to decipher Archangel1966's cryptic reference today to the Village Pump, but their past obsession with the LL/Mick West thing (which they refer to as "a long studied concern") makes me suspect the purpose is entirely WP:NOTHERE. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Deleted that and the first posts. Doug Weller talk 15:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I posted this at FTN, but for completeness I'll post it here, too: I believe that editor was referring to this discussion at the Help Desk. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed Doug Weller talk 15:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocked 2 years ago

I (Helpfulguy101) was blocked from editing The Exodus nearly two years ago indefinitely due to disruptive editing. Not here to dispute the claim, would just like the "block" removed from my account. Not necessarily to edit the page, just for the slate. Thanks! Helpfulguy101 (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Helpfulguy101 I can unblock you from Exodus, but I can't remove the block. I've got a block record, someone blocked me in error. I will unblock you if you want, I doubt you'll do that again. Doug Weller talk 17:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

👍 Helpfulguy101 (talk) 17:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) My block record is better than yours, Doug, with a fine block by Jimbo Wales! And I display it with pride near the top of my userpage. Clean slates are dull IMO, Helpfulguy101. Bishonen | tålk 17:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC).

True. Doug Weller talk 17:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

SPI Link Error

Thanks for letting me know on these! I think I've fixed them. Didn't realize that a pipe and label would not work on those links. Let me know if they still don't work for you. And as for the discussion at Jesus - yeah, I genuinely was surprised at your response. I've gone off-topic before but didn't think this was one of those times. The other editor...very much did do so. Anyway, it's still good to be reminded once in a while! Thanks. Jtrevor99 (talk) 20:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring & persistent addition of unsourced content

Hi Doug.. would request you to have a look at the recent revision history of the article on Pal (surname) and the edit warring by the user Palrajputs in spite of all forms of warnings including the DS alert! Seems like the user is here for POV pushing only! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocked. This [73] was a clincher. Changing text so it doesn't match the sources. Doug Weller talk 10:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. Thanks a lot! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

no

No i wont i really only spend a minute on some edits just trying to get my edit count to 500 so i can be extended confiremed then ill really try editing rn i put little effort into editing (i cant do 500 full on page extensions while being a student) also i dont have time to edit much my edits that i put effort into are accually pretty well formed (i am an accual edtior not just a volenter for projects outside of wikipedia. also i dont think that i need to worry about spelling for this message because well replying to YOU isnt worth my time (as i DONT have 12 hours a day to edit and encyclopedia) Lion1010NT (talk) 01:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Answer

I know what i said was not nice but Canterbury tail said I was basically useless to Wikipedia as a portion of my edits were reverted. I'm new to editing I don't fully get some of the encyclopedia rules but him being rude about it doesn't help. do think i should just give up on editing? Lion1010NT (talk) 00:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Lion1010NT I think that you will struggle without a WP:MENTOR/ Doug Weller talk 12:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

can you stop nagging im 9 years tuning ten on feb 21 im literaly in elemtary like... Lion1010NT (talk) 01:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

bothering you Lion1010NT (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

HA HA LOL I dont care if my edits were reveted or what you say (also im not 9) but LOL stop VEXING its crazy how devoted you are to this enclopedia but i dont CARE. There is no way im giving up on editing and it was fun TROLLING haha. Lion1010NT (talk) 01:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

or am i Lion1010NT (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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February music

story · music · places

Some very fresh flowers for you and your wife! - I thanked Seiji Ozawa, and have the story of Helga Paris today, a photographer of houses and faces. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt thanks very much. Very nice of you to include my wife, smeine who has been extremely supportive. I’m so pleased that I have had time to do as much as I can to support her now and when I’m gone. Doug Weller talk 20:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikilove

Doug, I just wanted to let you know that I thought of you today. So I offer a red rose to remind you that you are loved.
Take extra care of yourself, your friend, --ARoseWolf 20:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, thanks. Your care is always appreciated, Doug Weller talk 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

You honor me. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 20:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I had this weird feeling...

I don't know why I'm doing this, and sorry if I'm wasting your time, but for some wrong reason, I just do NOT like Valentine's Day. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

(Actually, I should have just shut up.) NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@NoobThreePointOh LOL. You aren't the only one. I never have liked it. And it's terrible when schools allow cards to be distributed. See [74] and [75]. Doug Weller talk 08:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Not just cards, but girls always wanting to ask to be your valentine (Especially the girls at my school). Like damn. And I am GLAD it's over NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I have always been slightly afraid of Valentine's Day, likely because I saw this cartoon too many times as a child. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

LOL! Doug Weller talk 17:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

ChurCuz

ChurCuz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) ~ToBeFree

Dear @Doug Weller,

Given your experience and particularly your experiences with dealing with this user before, I was wondering if you might take a look into the recent behaviour of ChurCuz, who I find is consistently rude and even destructive on Wikipedia pages. Despite the fact that this user regularly removes comments against them on their talk page to present a better outlook, sanctions enforced upon them for various reasons (e.g. edit warring) can still be observed here, as well as: [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81]. The full list can be found here: [82]. The user has also shown how they make unnecessary yet constant reverts/display bad behaviour here, as well as: [83], [84]: and I’m sure these are not the only recent examples. As you can see, this has been occurring for some time (a period of years) yet the user has not seemed to have learnt from sanctions (as other have) despite changing their name from RossButsy to ChurCuz. The point of me bringing up older engagements is to prove this point. I myself was alerted to their recent bad behaviour in a disagreement here in which I was not entirely blameless, but in which the user gave no valid reason for their reverts and did not apply consistent policies to other pages in a somewhat hypocritical manner. The user has not responded to my last queries, before which he dismissed me unfairly and attacked me ad hominem.

As a user of great experience yourself, is there anything to be done about this user, if needs be?

Thank you very much,

– Scientelensia (talk) 12:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Let's bring in some other Admins who have blocked or unblocked this editor. @Black Kite, 331dot, ToBeFree, and Galobtter: I am not convinced that there is good reason to hope this editor will reform. Doug Weller talk 12:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much: while I know that blocks and such like can reform some, I don’t believe it is the case here. Scientelensia (talk) 12:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I concur, I see little hope for reform. 331dot (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I can remove what I like from my talk page within reason which doesn’t apply here. Talk pages aren’t a wall of shame. You’ve got no claim to say I attacked you I commented on your content NOT your character there’s a fine line and I’m more than aware of that line. Digging up old blocks from years ago isn’t relevant. They were all involved with sockpuppets and in the past year with any contentious topics I’ve disengaged. I’m under sanction and haven’t broken said sanction mostly because I’ve made little edits in the past year. Going around to admins to try and get me blocked because I don’t agree with your content is very unbecoming, my language may be flashy but it’s never personal. Also on Darwin Nunez you’ve displayed clear ownership behaviour in my opinion the onus is on you to provide reasons as to why the content should be kept you’ve reverted Mattythewhite and Michaeldble but you seem to have taken an exception to me and and it also slipped your mind when you decided to inform the admins. ChurCuz (talk) 13:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• I agree, you can “remove what… [you] like from… [your] talk page within reason”. My point was not that you have misused your talk page, but that the picture you present on this page may inadvertently be somewhat misleading.
• “Please STOP… thinking you own the page”: this clearly is an insult to my character and not to my content. There is indeed “a fine line” and I believe you have crossed it. Previously, you have been rude, but not (as you are doing now) attacking someone ad hominem.
• Engaging with you is difficult, as you have ignored my latest comments on the page I mentioned beforehand presumably as you could not think of a suitable answer. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be unwilling to ‘make peace’, attempt reconciliation and listen to the viewpoints of others. This has occurred before (e.g. refusing to engage with me despite my civility) and it does not appear that you have learnt from sanctions gained over the last couple years.
• You were told in a previous ban ([85]) by 331dot to, in your own words, “[not] edit war and [instead] discuss and if that fails disengage and as a last resort take it to a noticeboard”, yet you have arguably failed to do so.
• To engage with your last remarks. I will make it very clear that I have not displayed “clear ownership”, and am just trying to contribute (as you can see by a selection of my updating contributions here [86] [87] [88] [89] [90] [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99]). I admitted above that I was not blameless, yet have reconciled to both “Mattythewhite and Michaeldble”, who list their opinions at the first time of asking rather than the fourth and who demonstrate a keenness to improve this encyclopaedia. Yes, a small portion of blame could be attributed to me, but I am willing and eager to admit this.
• Finally, I will just remind you that administrator ToBeFree has blocked you in the past for “repeatedly turning biographies of living people into battlegrounds by edit warring after multiple blocks for the same behavior” ([100]). Unfortunately, you still persist in such activities and have not attempted to change such behaviour (see wp:BATTLE).

Scientelensia (talk) 15:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

What are you talking about we’re engaging on the talk page. How doesn’t my talk page “represent” there’s a clear digital footprint there if I don’t want it up then I’ll remove it. YOU are the one edit warring with multiple users on Darwin Nunez, you are displaying ownership behaviour something for which you were blocked for in the past since you like to reference blocks. And no you haven’t reconciled with the other users, you say all this but you’ll wait a little while and make the exact same edit and the whole rigmarole begins again. I’d be more than willing to make peace but you’re clearly unwilling as you repeatedly reinstate those same edits despite myself and other users objecting. You’ve barely tried to engage I gave you a valid reason and instead you’ve just spent the last day pinging admins and trawling through my page and digging up comments from years before you even joined Wikipedia. ChurCuz (talk) 15:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• I was blocked, a while ago. I was indirectly referring to that when I said above: “while I know that blocks and such like can reform some”. The difference is that I have learnt from it, and one can see by viewing my talk page (User talk:Scientelensia) that all recent conversations have ben conducted with civility.
• “And no you haven’t reconciled with the other users, you say all this but you’ll wait a little while and make the exact same edit and the whole rigmarole begins again”: I have discussed this before, I have no further comments on this other than to protest its untruth and injustice.
• “You’ve barely tried to engage”: this is categorically untrue. If we view this page: Talk:Darwin Núñez#Quote boxes…
  • I stated “if you are to conduct yourself in this way you must surely remove ‘offending’ sentences on Edinson Cavani and Luis Suárez so as to be consistent.” You then claimed: “Already have cheers mate”. However, you only did so on the first of these two pages, probably because you realised you could get away with deleting relevant material only on this page because the material was unsourced. When I questioned you twice (“How about Luis Suárez?” and “Are you going to do the same for Suarez??”) on why you had not been consistent as you had said with the second page I mentioned (Luis Suárez), you did not reply despite being active after this time.
  • You claimed “You never change it though. You just reinstate it the same as before”. I then proved that you were once again acting untruthfully and with injustice, stating: “Look through the recent edits, I removed the Ronaldo statement and changed the sources for the Messi ones, only to find that that were unreliable”. Once again, as of this time, you have ignored this also, perhaps because you discovered the truth of your misconduct (?).
• “I gave you a valid reason”: this is also untrue. If we view this page: Talk:Darwin Núñez#Quote boxes, you can see that I asked you multiple times why we could not include this information ([101]) on this page when it is commonly done across other pages such as the aforementioned Luis Suárez.

Let’s go through my attempts.

1) I said “Why do you say it is not notable? Please read my edit summaries before reverting.” To which you provided no explanation of your actions, yet said: “Sure they are [the ‘nickname’ and ‘known for’ format are applied in articles including Edinson Cavani and Luis Suárez] but not here… the content isn’t and will never be notable.”

2) I said: “Why are they not applied here? Please answer this question, giving a valid reason (or at least a reason…)”. Again, no reason: “Not notable there’s reason enough.”

3) I said “Also, please provide me with an actual reason why there should be no format as started above. Yes, you have said many times that there should be none. However, you have said 0 times why this is the case, despite being prompted”. This was ignored and received no reply.

4) I said later, attempting to resist attempts to turn the page into a battleground(!): “Let’s return to the matter at hand. I will repeat: please provide me with an actual reason why there should be no format as started above. Yes, you have said many times that there should be none. However, you have said 0 times why this is the case, despite being prompted.” Again, no reason was provided, just that “I really don’t care about what other pages you’ve edited on but on this particular page it’s not good enough”.

5) I asked again for ChurCuz to explain their edits, and I mistook the number of times I had had to do so, as it was five (!), not four: “I will again repeat: please provide me with an actual reason why there should be no format as started above. Yes, you have said many times that there should be none. However, you have said 0 times why this is the case, despite being prompted. Why is this your opinion?… I believe this is my fourth time of asking, and if you cannot even justify your actions then I would suggest not enacting such reverts…”. Finally, an answer, though not a satisfactory one: “It doesn’t read well just because another page has the format doesn’t mean this one should. There’s your reason,”

6) I asked “How does it not read well?”, to which no distinct reply was given, merely: “This is an encyclopaedia… not a magazine”. If you look at the proposed addition ([102]), I am sure you will see that this format has been applied to more widely edited articles (which are more secure). You will also see that the claim of the additions being from a “magazine was unfair”. Scientelensia (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

(Thanks for the ping) Hi Doug Weller, ChurCuz, Scientelensia and the other invited editors. It's been almost a year since I added the one-year one-revert restriction.

First of all: I'm not concerned about removals of talk page messages by their recipient. On the contrary, I'm surprised to see that ChurCuz hasn't archived, removed, touched at all the 1RR notice on their talk page. Perhaps it serves as a reminder to themselves, perhaps it is a misinterpretation of WP:UP#CMT's restrictions, but it's a counterexample to the alleged intention "to present a better outlook", which is personal interpretation and irrelevant to the discussion because it's allowed even if done for this purpose.

I'm concerned, though, about ChurCuz's interactions with Scientelensia. You two are clearly not friends of each other ([103] [104] [105]) and Scientelensia seems to have been unaware ([106] [107]) of RossButsy's account rename to ChurCuz, yet recognized them for their hostility (?).

ChurCuz, as you have been sanctioned in this area before and are dancing on the boundary of a restriction violation ([108] [109], less than 25 hours between reverts while under a 24-hour 1RR) there are two options that would be perfectly justified: An interaction ban or a topic ban. Or perhaps enough is enough and an indefinite block does the job. I won't leave this discussion without applying one of these things, so please provide arguments for your preference. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Could you explain what an interaction ban is please? I’m not fully aware of it. And on the less than 1 hour between reverts from 24 hours I can assure you that was not done intentionally I’ve made it my mission to ensure I follow that restriction until it elapses and while it may look like I’m skirting around it I genuinely didn’t notice the close time

period in this case. Thanks ChurCuz (talk) 19:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

ChurCuz, thanks for asking. An interaction ban would prevent you from reverting Scientelensia's contributions and discussing with them. I recognize that Scientelensia's contributions have been problematic at very least because of their restoration without consensus, but you have taken the crusade a bit too far there, at least in a situation where a sanction for battleground behavior already exists. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I’ll accept whatever sanction is deemed necessary obviously I’d argue against an indefinite block but if that is what it comes too then so be it. ChurCuz (talk) 19:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you.

331dot and Doug Weller, you both have expressed a lack of hope above. I'm afraid that won't be resolved by an interaction ban? Is it at least limited to BLPs? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that nothing should be tried; if you think something is worth a shot, that's fine by me. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Independently of my concerns about ChurCuz's behavior, I have had a closer look at Scientelensia's contribution list and blocked them for a month to prevent further violations of WP:BLPRESTORE. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Right now then the choic is topic ban or indefinite. @331dot wasnt optimistic, perhaps they’ll comment again given the new circumstances. Doug Weller talk 19:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

A late reply: I've placed an interaction ban. Current state of discussions / result of this section here: [110], [111].

I think this can be closed/archived / thought of as done for now. Thanks everyone ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

(unblocked, just for the record. No preventative need.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Younger Dryas discussions

Aloha @Doug Weller. I am trying to help improve this article as requested in the banners at the beginning and did not intend to be contentious or create stress. I am relatively new to Wikipedia, but had extensive experience revising the Magnetic sail article and some other physics and space propulsion articles to remove such banners. I already removed one by fixing the broken anchor. In these experiences the few reliable source discussions I had focused on the publisher and the context, never the author. There appears to be history here that I need search on in RSN to educate myself. Thank you again for that pointer. Dmcdysan (talk) 20:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thanks for being such an inspiration for how to create great works and building community while maintaining Wikipedia's integrity and support its core values. And for providing real information about early Florida! Yuchitown (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hope you are doing well as far as your health is concerned! Take care. Cheers. Ekdalian (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Request for clarification for your undo of Sweatman in YDIH

Aloha @Doug Weller. Regarding your undo of my reversion [117] you did not give me time to post anything on the article's talk page Talk:Younger Dryas impact hypothesis#Sweatman as Reliable source. There I posted a wiki link to the discussion in Archive 4, which I read and I did not see consensus reached that Sweatman was not a reliable source. I also reported on the results found using the search function on RSN regarding "Graham Hancock" as not a reliable source and found one for which I posted a wiki link that consensus appeared to be officially declared. I thought this was the result of the process to decide on whether a source is reliable (or not) which you referred to as "rsn." In the new topic on YDIH I requested that others read the specific section in Archive 4. In your undo you said also to talk to someone, and that is why am posting this on your Talk page. I would appreciate it if you could look at the new topic and point out what I did that did not follow documented Wikipedia guidelines that I can read. Thanks Dmcdysan (talk) 22:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Dmcdysan You should have done that before reinstating Sweatman. So yes, you reinstated an unreliable source. I have no idea why you ignored User:Hypnôs's edit summary and went ahead and reinserted it. I hope you won't do that again but will discuss on the talk page first.. Doug Weller talk 07:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Aloha @Doug Weller I am sorry that you are so ill. I looked back on your Talk page and found "Cancer update - being offered palliative care (chemo), incurable." I apologize if my naive attempts to improve the article has contributed to your exhaustion, I can relate to your condition since I have a friend who has cancer and my Mother has Parkinson's. Dmcdysan (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Dmcdysan, nothing on the things pointed out to you by Doug? I'm sure he appreciates your well wishes and your ability to relate but I think those issues should be addressed too. Perhaps just a little statement acknowledging that you understand and will comply or won't and why would be appropriate. --ARoseWolf 18:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf, I thanked @Doug Weller on the talk pages for his responses and did not want to continue discussing it here to create more stress, but I see your point. Doug, your inputs have been most helpful to me as I have thanked you in the past and I thank you again in this instance. I apologize if my newbie actions in these policy areas have added to your stress. This topic is being discussed on the talk page and as you requested above, I will not reinsert a similar post. I eventually plan to follow up as I thanked you for suggesting in the article talk page on this topic to post to rsn and link to the talk page for this topic. I was thinking to wait at least a few days, draft a proposed post and share it with you beforehand. Best wishes regarding your health. Dmcdysan (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocking

Hey Doug , I am Harvici, and it seems you blocked me for doing vandal edits, but can you specify the vandal I am doing? As you mentioned in the reason for block "to stop just doing vandalism edits to rush to ECP, but you continued," so to clarify that I am not rushing to get ECP, and I told you before that until I make 500 constructive edits (which I am recording here), I would not apply for WP:PERM. I am still patrolling Recent Changes, and I am only reverting vandalism that is surely vandalism, like adding abusive words and blanking.Thanks Harvici (talk) 14:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I said don't patrol recent changes. Or vandalism. You aren't learning how to edit Wikipedia that way. And you are rushing.. Take your time, make constructive suggestions at articles you are interested in,. Agree not to do any vandalism edits. Then I can consider letting you edit articles. Doug Weller talk 15:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I am promising not to patrol until I make 500 constructive edits. And for the vandal edits, can you please specify the vandal edits I made? Harvici (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

" Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism ‎ " "User talk:195.194.103.135 ‎ Warning: Vandalism on EGX (expo)." and more. Doug Weller talk 17:26, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry and vandalism (caste promotion) in the article on Tilli

Hi Doug.. please have a look at the latest revision history of Tilli! Users SWAPAN.CHAKROBARTY011112 and SagnikBhattacharya2023 have already been blocked as socks. There's a new suspected sock, Nobita.Uzumaki doing exactly the same thing, currently edit warring in spite of all possible warnings! Would request you to take appropriate action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I hate cancer. Wishing you the very best. Unbroken Chain (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Fresh start of Harvici

Hey Doug, I am Harvici, and I was thinking about my block and the stupid decisions I make, so I was thinking of beginning a new start from the very same IP address. But WP:Clean Start has criteria to not allow users who have blocks. So,can I be an exception and I promise to not vandal patrol until I get ECP rights (and cleared by you or any other admin) and you can also monitor me? Harvici (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Harvici Sorry but absolutely not. Doug Weller talk 16:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Have a look

Hi, can a user declare them as an admin like what this guy is doing? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk No, I've removed the word. Could you please given the southeast Asian alert as they say they specialise in castes. And keep track of their edits if you have time. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 12:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. "southeast Asian alert" means? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) DS alert posted on the user talk page! Cheers. Ekdalian (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Fylindfotberserk, Ekdalian has used the caste alert, which is fine in this case, but the more standard Southeast Asian alert, with wider application (including also castes), is {{subst:alert|ipa}}. Unless it's the first contentious topic alert a user receives, in which case you need to use the introductory {{subst:alert/first|ipa}}. Bishonen | tålk 13:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC).

@Bishonen Agh, I thought that was the case so my search of the alerts must have included a typo, not surprising. Doug Weller talk 13:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)