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Where is Kate revisions
editFYI, see User talk:Ingenuity/Archive 10#Redirecting Where is Kate? to Catherine, Princess of Wales#Health and User talk:Jclemens/Archive 15#Recreation of Where is Kate? for some of the side discussions that went on around that. My impression was that there was a strong sense among some that BLP expected, if not demanded, the revisions be hidden. I didn't agree with that consensus, but my recreation of a redirect after deletion was not intended to circumvent it. Jclemens (talk) 02:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, God damn it. I had a feeling there was going to be some additional hidden layer to this. Well, at any rate, I undeleted it so a Signpost writer could look through the revision history to write an article about how the AfD and the article development process worked -- so I think that if this can veg for a few days it will be fine. Yeah? jp×g🗯️ 02:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- My post is informational only. I didn't really have a dog in the fight, was just trying to tidy up around the edges, and still don't have a strong opinion. I do know that the objection was to the tabloidish nature of the content, but that the content itself was all RS'ed, just perceived as tacky and in poor taste, especially once the cancer diagnosis was revealed. I'm not a subject of the crown, and have less personal emotional investment in Catherine Middleton than in school acquaintances I haven't seen in decades. Jclemens (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Err, sorry: in other words, I don't care and have no objections from a BLP perspective. :-) Jclemens (talk) 02:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @JPxG, I think you should take the article down for the time being, as I feel you may have overridden the deletion consensus of it being a BLP violation, tabloidish, and everything Jclemens said above. I'm still writing up the Trump photo one for the upcoming issue, so perhaps we can set a date when you restore the Kate article, Saturday or Sunday? Svampesky (talk) 11:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- What a mess. I wish people would put more detailed notes/references to the actual discussions that originated consensus in the deletion log instead of just leaving it up to guesswork - but I guess it can't be helped. At any rate, sure, I can re-delete it until you are actually ready to write. I can also restore the revisions to page in your userspace somewhere (if you are fine with having the page's deletion/move log have the link to User:Svampesky/resource or whatever) -- everyone I asked prior to doing this mostly seemed to agree that would be acceptable for a few days, I just didn't do it because of the additional PITA etc. jp×g🗯️ 11:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, cool. Delete for now and I'll ping you when I need access to it for the signpost. Alternatively, is there any way of you hatting my account and admins give me access to pages ad hoc, in line with writing reports? I think it would've helped if I had access to Kalloor (and I don't think I even knew admins had access?) Svampesky (talk) 12:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no rule about sending deleted pages to non-admins but I think there is some kind of actual legal issue with letting non-admins see pages. At least this was my recollection the last time people were talking about this -- the WMF had some kind of legal thing going on where people could strictly never be allowed access to the full sum of all deleted content without going through some kind of community selection process (e.g. why all the rfa sortition stuff didn't end up going through). @Barkeep49: Now that you've got free time I can ping you for piddling shit like this right? jp×g🗯️ 16:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why me? But yes access to deleted material is considered by the WMF to be something that needs community consensus and could not be unbundled from RfA (or an RfA-like process). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
There's no rule about sending deleted pages to non-admins but I think there is some kind of actual legal issue with letting non-admins see pages
. The first part of this sentence contradicts the last. You're allowed to send pages, but the recipient is not allowed to see it? I'll just work with the resources I have available. Given that the deletion report primarily pertains to the discussion itself and the policy under consideration during said discussion, the article is not really needed. The article may enhance the report. My suggestion is: initiate a Restore for Signpost (RfSP; as RfS was already in use) and post it on the newsroom page. Additionally, notify the admin noticeboard so the community can assess its suitability. The report will proceed as planned, but the community can decide whether the article/selection revisions of it can be linked. Svampesky (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)- I have mixed feeling about the restoration of the Kate article. I would've opposed the restoration and linking of the Kalloor article, as it effectively disregarded the community's consensus for deleting it. The Signpost probably shouldn't restore articles without prior consultation with the community. Svampesky (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I undelete pages pretty often, e.g. stuff like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam woeger or Slashdot subculture that got deleted for some bizarre reason like "the article was deleted so we don't need to keep the deletion nomination page" or "if we have a redirect people will inexorably expand it into an article" -- well, maybe in 2007 but certainly not now. The Kalloor AfD closed with nothing against a redirect, so I figured it would be fine inasmuch as there was no likelihood of someone reverting to the old version. With the Kate one, well, I thought I had read all of the discussion around it beforehand but I guess there was a separate thing which I missed -- am glad to re-delete if you are done with the thing. jp×g🗯️ 11:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sup. Kindly redelete. This was not a bizarre reason. Discussion is clear. Judged by the community as non-compliant material under the BLP policy. It's a discrete, codified, DELREASON. History deleted per consensus around a BLP concern -- administrators are obligated to treat it as bad material, not for public access. That's the consensus: material is inappropriate for public viewing on this website. It's available for public viewing with two additional clicks now. It's not like it was deleted for lack of notability; it was wholly redacted out of the encyclopedia, ejected from the entire site as actively bad. There's a hierarchy of values, and respecting such a consensus in particular takes precedences over making it easier to write Signpost article. No biggie so far but this can't hinge on someone telling you they're done with their thing. I'm emotionally detached from this topic, but had to tell you this, however, as these principles are good. Respectfully —Alalch E. 00:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support/Delete per above and the overwhelming community consensus that the article should be deleted. The article is not necessary for me to write the report, as it will focus on the discussions and the policy concerns that were raised. Discussing the content of the article, if it was not addressed in the various discussions, would also seem like exploiting a loophole against the community. Svampesky (talk) 01:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this one. When I was reading the article at the time, I was only aware of the AfD and RM. I didn't know about the additional complexities and layers involved with the other discussions. Therefore, I believe it is best for me to slowly work on this one, as I need to acquire more policy knowledge to write it effectively. I'm not too invested in getting this particular deletion report published as soon as possible, so gradually writing it is probably best. Svampesky (talk) 02:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I said if anyone gave enough of a damn to ask, I'd be happy to re-delete it, so there is no need to convince me; back down the toilet it goes. jp×g🗯️ 03:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support/Delete per above and the overwhelming community consensus that the article should be deleted. The article is not necessary for me to write the report, as it will focus on the discussions and the policy concerns that were raised. Discussing the content of the article, if it was not addressed in the various discussions, would also seem like exploiting a loophole against the community. Svampesky (talk) 01:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sup. Kindly redelete. This was not a bizarre reason. Discussion is clear. Judged by the community as non-compliant material under the BLP policy. It's a discrete, codified, DELREASON. History deleted per consensus around a BLP concern -- administrators are obligated to treat it as bad material, not for public access. That's the consensus: material is inappropriate for public viewing on this website. It's available for public viewing with two additional clicks now. It's not like it was deleted for lack of notability; it was wholly redacted out of the encyclopedia, ejected from the entire site as actively bad. There's a hierarchy of values, and respecting such a consensus in particular takes precedences over making it easier to write Signpost article. No biggie so far but this can't hinge on someone telling you they're done with their thing. I'm emotionally detached from this topic, but had to tell you this, however, as these principles are good. Respectfully —Alalch E. 00:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I undelete pages pretty often, e.g. stuff like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam woeger or Slashdot subculture that got deleted for some bizarre reason like "the article was deleted so we don't need to keep the deletion nomination page" or "if we have a redirect people will inexorably expand it into an article" -- well, maybe in 2007 but certainly not now. The Kalloor AfD closed with nothing against a redirect, so I figured it would be fine inasmuch as there was no likelihood of someone reverting to the old version. With the Kate one, well, I thought I had read all of the discussion around it beforehand but I guess there was a separate thing which I missed -- am glad to re-delete if you are done with the thing. jp×g🗯️ 11:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I missed this, sorry. What I mean is that individual admins are allowed to send the contents of deleted pages to whoever at their discretion (ofc unless it is some kind of snuff-film thing or whatever) -- the thing Legal dislikes is the idea of people who haven't passed a community confirmation process being given the idea to themselves go willy-nilly through deleted page histories unattended. jp×g🗯️ 03:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have mixed feeling about the restoration of the Kate article. I would've opposed the restoration and linking of the Kalloor article, as it effectively disregarded the community's consensus for deleting it. The Signpost probably shouldn't restore articles without prior consultation with the community. Svampesky (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no rule about sending deleted pages to non-admins but I think there is some kind of actual legal issue with letting non-admins see pages. At least this was my recollection the last time people were talking about this -- the WMF had some kind of legal thing going on where people could strictly never be allowed access to the full sum of all deleted content without going through some kind of community selection process (e.g. why all the rfa sortition stuff didn't end up going through). @Barkeep49: Now that you've got free time I can ping you for piddling shit like this right? jp×g🗯️ 16:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, cool. Delete for now and I'll ping you when I need access to it for the signpost. Alternatively, is there any way of you hatting my account and admins give me access to pages ad hoc, in line with writing reports? I think it would've helped if I had access to Kalloor (and I don't think I even knew admins had access?) Svampesky (talk) 12:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- What a mess. I wish people would put more detailed notes/references to the actual discussions that originated consensus in the deletion log instead of just leaving it up to guesswork - but I guess it can't be helped. At any rate, sure, I can re-delete it until you are actually ready to write. I can also restore the revisions to page in your userspace somewhere (if you are fine with having the page's deletion/move log have the link to User:Svampesky/resource or whatever) -- everyone I asked prior to doing this mostly seemed to agree that would be acceptable for a few days, I just didn't do it because of the additional PITA etc. jp×g🗯️ 11:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
your block of user:178.138.193.125
editPlease remove IP's talk page access after [1], [2] and [3] Meters (talk) 07:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- And [4] Meters (talk) 07:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Epic hrrmery", as they say. Oh well. Rack 'em! jp×g🗯️ 07:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Glad to see everything removed from view. Meters (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Epic hrrmery", as they say. Oh well. Rack 'em! jp×g🗯️ 07:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:10x
editTemplate:10x has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Copy editing the Signpost
editHello! I was wondering if I could become a copy editor for the Signpost, as I want to contribute in some way, but I’m not very skilled at writing. Thanks! Shadestar474 (talk) 03:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Shadestar474: I would appreciate this. Could you review Wikipedians are hung up on the meaning of Madonna and copyedit it? I'm unsure whether words should be italicised or placed in single quotation marks. I've tried my best! Svampesky (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks for the opportunity! Cheers, Shadestar474 (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
editThe Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | |
[5] was a very kind comment of you to leave. The project as a whole can benefit if we all show mutual understanding and compassion towards one another. I'm also learning of WP:BITE - so, in general, thank you for setting a great example for how we all should act in our regular interactions on here (and in real life too). — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 15:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC) |
Suggestion for User:JPxG/current-switcher.js
editThe check on line 6:
(window.location.href.indexOf( "Special:Contributions/" ) >= 0 ) || (window.location.href.indexOf( "Special%3AContributions" ) >= 0 )
won't work on wikis with localized "Special:Contributions". For example: de:Spezial:Beiträge and ru:Служебная:Вклад. An equivalent check without locale dependency is:
(mw.config.get('wgNamespaceNumber') === -1) && (mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName') === 'Contributions')
See mw:mw.config for reference documentation. —andrybak (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Essay column in The Signpost
editI saw this Help:Drawing attention to new pages. I propose featuring newly published essays in the essay column to draw attention to them. These essays can vary in tone, including serious and humorous ones. The column will be a good place for readers to check on if there's any new essays, discuss and improve them. Svampesky (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is a very good idea. At some point, I believe it was me and Bri were combing through Category:Wikipedia essays to try to find gemmy stuff that had been forgotten. We got a couple out of that. If there were some way to actually comb through and find newer essays I think this would be fruitful. jp×g🗯️ 03:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I will nitpick just this once
editYou misspelled "an" (Trolling is a art
) in your closure of Bespeak and undue edits on Sissy hypno. WADroughtOfVowelsP 21:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- And when you blocked Bespeak. WADroughtOfVowelsP 21:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- No I didn't. jp×g🗯️ 00:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- The upload form literally presented this license template as the own-work option, you siliconaceous bumberchute. jp×g🗯️ 02:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 25
editHey there, welcome to the 25th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 March 2024. We've got a ton of wonderful editors taking back their pitchforks today. Don't worry, for they come in peace, to forcibly fix and extend existing scripts you use with sheer passion. There's so many, them forks have got what's basically their own column now! gift us with some rows before it's too late Aaron Liu (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!
Featured script
edit- inline-diff-inline-patrol by Ponor is this edition's featured script. By loading diffs inline on every page that shows a list of changes, it implements the 2023 community wish m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Admins and patrollers/Inline diffs and inline patrol. Hopefully we won't need this script anymore soon, with the WMF's focus on the backlog...
Improve a script
edit- Many of our favorite scripts such as Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts and Bradv/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
- Elominius/media timer works, but its UI looks alien. Someone could improve it...
- To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
- We want...
- ...watchlist notices support for Aaron Liu/Watchlyst Greybar Unsin
- ...a tool to automatically fix CAT:BROKENREFs, preferably a fork/addition to TheJJJunk/ARA
- ...a fix/fork of DannyS712/SectionRemover to make it work
Requested scripts
edit- Automatically delink all duplicate links within the same section per MOS:LINKONCE.
- Collapsible parentheses in body text, which had a ridiculously long original request title and was accidentally moved to WP:US/L by me. Oops!
- An easily configurable script to add a link to the #p-vector-user-menu-overflow portlet with a name, target, and icon. This one should be a relatively easier one. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy rotting away on Celeste (video game).
- Preview an edit under the mobile viewport on desktop, with perhaps MediaWiki:Gadget-mobile-sidebar.js used for inspiration.
- ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests. Jeeputer and Nardog have been the most active on the page in the past five months.
Updated scripts
edit- After the RIIJ update, Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin has a dismiss button that allows you to mark an item as read in one click and cycle to the next Watchlist item.
- Lordseriouspig/StatusChangerImproved is just like Enterprisey's script, except you select your status from a dropdown instead of cycling through them with a button. The WMF operates out of car-centric infrastructure anyway. Shame!
Newly maintained scripts
edit- Aaron Liu has created Duplinks from Evad37/duplinks-alt; his fork adds a config variable to automatically highlight duplicate links on the loading of any page where the portlet link would've appeared.
- BilledMammal/Move+ expands the powers of User:TheTVExpert/rmCloser to include common procedures done with the art of moving pages.
- On a holiday? Somewhere? Gotta learn ye ABCs? CanonNi/StatusSetter puts the fun into Enterprisey/StatusChanger with a quadruple more statuses. That starts with a C!
- In our continuing trend(s?), DaxServer/DiscussionCloser forks DannyS712/DiscussionCloser to make it work. Sadly, this is the end of our lexicographic combo.
- Andrybak:
- user-tabs-on-contribs is a fork of User:Enterprisey/user-tabs-on-contribs for Vector 2022.
- Archiver is a fork of User:Enterprisey/archiver with automatic calculation of the destination archive subpage and with support for non-Vector skins.
- Quite coincidentally, Elli/OneClickArchiver has been forked from User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver to work with the mw:Heading HTML changes.
- FlightTime/OneClickArchiver forks the same thing but also no longer nonsensically prepends {{clear}} to page archives.
New scripts
editPadlock for semi−move protection−designed by User:Chaotic Enby - Andrybak/Not around can help you mark talk pages of inactive users with {{not around}}.
- BrandonXLF/AddCopied automatically tags talk pages of pages you've copied between with {{copied}}.
- Bugghost/UserRoleIndicator adds text labels (which default to emoji) to user links that label the user's usergroups. Wow, that's a mouthful
- CanonNi/AlertAssistant adds a Twinkle-style dialog for alerting users about contentious topics.
- CFA/AttributeTranslation automatically tags articles translated from other places with appropriate attribution.
- In the defense of the 'pedia, the humble Jeeputer/defconIndicator adds the WP:WIKIDEFCON status to the toolbar.
- Tired of staring at a bunch of filtering text and waiting for darn filter logs to load? Msz2001/AbuseFilter analyzer can parse abuse filters into a visual syntax tree and evaluate locally on-demand!
- Polygnotus/DuplicateReferences finds references with the same link and displays the number of them along with a button to add the {{duplicated citations}} tag under the references section. Being lazy has never been easier!
- fastest gun on the net Ponor/really-quick-block really quick add to contribution lists three buttons awesome
- TheTechie/Help Me Tool is a quick and easy way of responding to {{help me}} requests.
- Per MOS:CONFORM, ZKang123/TitleCaseConverter converts all citation titles to... title case, unfortunately.
JD Vance
editHi, could you share the link to the deletion discussion? I created that page because the joke seemed to me to be a noteworthy event. There was no attack on Vance in the slightest - the meme has gone viral beyond what would be considered a cursory interest. There is much precedent for creating pages devoted to political jokes, such as Dean scream, for instance. The article was merely a brief summary of the joke in question, but with much more weight given to the media frenzy it inspired. I made it clear in the page title it was about the meme itself. Was there consensus to delete it? Dhantegge (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I should add, we have a page for the Campaign for the neologism "santorum". Which is arguably more "offensive". Dhantegge (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Trout
editWhack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly. |
Special:Diff/1237237809 — really? I seriously assumed one of the tendentious vandals common in the topic area did this; I was stunned to see it was an established editor and admin. There's no universe where tagging every other word in a sentence is constructive; if you really thought the sentence was that bad, you should have just removed it. Anyways, it should be better now. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 21:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)