User talk:John Carter/Archive Jun 2007

Saints Star

I, Pastor David, award John Carter this Saints' Star for his work at the thankless task of adding a "class" rating to more than 700 articles on saints and related topics

Cleo123

Happened to catch your argument with Ms. Cleo. S/he is a pain in the ass beyond belief. I just gave up with his/her condescending, irritating, way of dealing with people & stopped posting on wikipedia. I signed back in today out of curiosity and lo and behold - s/he's at it again. It is too bad we can't get rid of the likes of him/her. The fascade that he has makes it too difficult, because he doesn't actually do anything blatantly wrong.

Albrecht Dürer

You may be interested in this question on my talk page, and my reply on the article talk page, regarding the inclusion of Durer in the WIkiproject Saints.

WP Christianity sidebar

whaddya think?!

I'd appreciate your input...

...On the good ol' List of notable converts to Christianity talk page, the debate still rages. As very sufficient, published sources have now been presented, the debate is focused on whether or not Bob should be included on the List.

As far as I'm concerned, the criterion for inclusion is conversion, at any point in the entry's life, regardless of their later faith. The list has a disclaimer at the top for this, explaining that the list is of people who have once converted- it is not guarantee of continued faith. Additionally, Bob's own entry states that he has apparently returned to Judaism (which is support by sources that neither Bus stop nor Cleo have yet shown me, but I'll take their word on it).

The fact that a person converts is extremely noteworthy, and even moreso in Bob's case, considering his musical shift which followed. He is a notable convert. His conversion is notable.

However, Bus stop doesn't see it this way. He thinks everyone on my (our?) side of the fence is endorsing Christianity and violating WP:SOAP. This is his main argument. He's gone on a brief tirade about the history of relations of Judaism and Christianity, politically and theologically, and thus further made clear his bias with statements such as, "All the disclaimers in the world do not counteract putting a Jew on a list of Christians." Make your own assessment of that.

As I said on the above mentioned talk page, I feel that he's rejecting our argument not because of what we say but because of why we say it. He believes that the list is merely a tool for endorsing Christianity, and that the inclusion of Bob Dylan is supposed to represent some sort of Christian triumph. This is what I've gathered; read it for yourself. I don't mean to villainize him, but I'm being honest while considering both his arguments and his extra comments.

NOTE: As I'm writing this, I've seen on the watchlist that you posted on his userpage. It's nice to see that you know what I'm talking about. However, the above text is still relevant; I had just thought you were taking a break from the discussion.

Anyway, the link at the top of this comment links directly to the 'Request for comment" section of the talk page, where Bus stop and I have been most recently exchanging words. Please feel free to contribute. I'd appreciate a fresh opinion in the mix.--C.Logan 15:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Genetics B class rating

Hi! I just noticed you noted Genetics is rated as "B class", but there isn't any description explaining the grade. I've done a lot of work improving the article, and I'd like to improve it further, so I'd like to know what the flaws in it are and what content would be good to add. -- Madeleine 20:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

PS - I'd also like to help with Mutation, which you also noted as being a "B", though the current article isn't my creation. So I'd also like to hear what the flaws for that are. It's really hard to fix these things without constructive criticism, and I'm afraid the grading thing without comments isn't very helpful.  :-( Madeleine 20:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I've rewritten the "Areas of genetics" section, the material was indeed poorly written and of questionable accuracy. At this point the entire article is my writing -- not something I was eager to do, but no one else was stepping up to the plate. Can you go back over the article and tell me if you still think it needs references in this section? My rewritten version has none, but I consider everything there to be uncontroversial knowledge. Please tell me if any specific part of it needs a citation. Thanks. Madeleine 00:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at it! :-) Madeleine 03:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Regarding Wagner's Parsifal

Thanks for this. I have absolutely no problem with people belonging to Wikiproject A making useful contributions to articles falling within the purview of Wikiproject B, provided such contributions don't unbalance the general focus of such articles. So (let's say) you have some useful Arthurian info that would shed some light on the opera Tristan und Isolde. Fine! Put it in and we'll all be better off unless there's so much of it that it ceases to be an article about the opera. Same goes for Parsifal and indeed Lohengrin. We're a bit touchy at the Opera Project about indiscriminate posting of banners to Talk pages, but that's usually when the banners are added by bots rather than by real people. Best wishes. --GuillaumeTell 17:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I see you're interested in Saints. I live next door to the church - well, half-a-church - of St Denys.

Motorcycle

I saw that you put a B-class assessment on the Motorcycle article. I had put it up for peer review some time ago but no one disassociated made any real comments on improving it. As the lead article for the topic, it should really be at least a Good Article or A, so if you have any constructive comments we would live to hear what they are. Ideally I would love to see it rise to Featured Article status. Cheers ww2censor 19:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Haha, you're much too kind. All I did was create a subsection, but thanks anyway! I'm not sure whether a separate article should be created though; there's also a ton of information on the conversion on the Slow Train Coming page, which is why I linked to that as "further information at:" But maybe, with all that content, and the content on the Bob Dylan page, in addition to more about debate and controversy on the subject, a decent article could be scrounged up; it's just a daunting task, since I don't have any of the sources from which all this info has been taken (which is why I should start looking on ebay for those biographies!). We'll see. Thanks for the star though. Tix 02:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Lutheranism

I'm sure you already saw this on the talk page:
The WikiProject Lutheranism Collaboration Project is under way. Please help improve this month's article, or make a suggestion for next month's article. To add the collaboration banner to your userpage or talk page, use {{Lutheran COTM}}. -- Pastordavid 19:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank You for Your contributions for WikiProject Lutheranism. I noticed, that You had spelled some names wrong (Beal M. Schmucker and Benjamin Schmolk) and I just wanted to tell as non native English speaker, that Christian Cyclopedia is a very good resource for checking some details in Lutheranism articles. (Terot 10:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

Reasoning with the mad hatter about Bob Dylan

Suggestion: Don't waste any more of your time knocking your head against the wall, the wall that is Bus Stop. Until he provides real documentation, we have no need of indulging him with our time, there is no use wasting any more of our energies trying to convince him why Wiki requires documentation. He is apparently on some sort of a religious kick, trying to defend what he believes to be his native religion at the expense of even logic itself. Logic demands documentation, not opinion. There's no point in trying to reason with the mad hatter, it will only make you mad.

-Scott P. 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the compliments, and thanks especially for my first barnstar. I'll get around to making one for you as well.

Unfortunately, it would seem that Bus stop is not open to friendly resolution. I regret to say that I saw that one coming.

I commend you for your continued contribution, and as you speak in a milder, more official tone than I do, I could argue that you've provided a better representative for our side of the argument.

It would seem that Bus stop has nominated the article for deletion. It's now listed on the Afd page.

Please, if you haven't yet, take a look at the AFD page. I've tried to counter Bus stop's misrepresentation of the argument (he's said that we are currently using "Flimsy sources", so I went along and copied and pasted the 14 sources currently listed for Bob Dylan's entry so that anyone viewing can clearly determine what is "flimsy"). I somehow doubt that Bus stop even stopped to notice that I've had 2 respected biographies at the top of the ref list for days now, and I just added another one (the text of which I've transcribed here).

We've clarified our points. If Abdul Rahman returned to Islam, would this warrant his removal from the list. Would the fact that he made world news for his conversion and subsequent death sentence in Afghanistan be erased by the fact that he returned to Islam? His conversion is notable. Dylan is notable himself, and his conversion is just as notable: after all, with 3 albums, stage proselytizing (ironic that Dylan has done more proselytizing for Christianity than I ever have), the refusal to play old songs, the apocalyptic imagery, the angry crowds, the angry critics, and various other things resulting from his conversion, it is absurd to assert that because he is now a Jew (I have yet to see sources that say he adheres to any religion, currently), his conversion is not worthy of note.

I'm becoming so tired of this. I wish Bus stop would have taken up the offer. It seems that he enjoys fanning the flames.--C.Logan 05:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re[] : Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects

You indicated at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects#SERIOUS TERRIBLE QUESTION :S that you wanted to have a copy of the assessment statistics of a project with which you are involved. Please contact me directly and specify which project you are describing so that I can set up the assessment requirements for it. Thank you. John Carter 16:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Good day John , really thanx for help , i work on WP:KSA and the project team extremly needs such statistics , i already created the page (PAGE) you told me about . thank you boss :)

and please teach me about how it works , the method to count the articles Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 10:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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		The Saudi Arabian Barnstar
		Great work man , allow me to award you this Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 00:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstars

Please stop by and give your opinion on the two proposed barnstars for WikiProject Lutheranism. Pastor David ^† _(Review) 18:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Music venues

I became interested in this wikiproject but unfortunatly I am the only one in it thus far. I saw that you were the major contributor to the project at first (technically the creator of the project) and wanted to ask you to rejoin. I have done a lot of browsing between articles related to the project and they all need a good cleaning up. I have done a little work on it but having at least one other person on the project would help a lot. I am going to seek out those who do a lot of editing on like articles as well and I ask you to do the same. Hopefully we can make this a very succesful wikiproject. Acidskater 19:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[Alphawiki]

Hey I added some more detail on my project I wanted to create. Just responding to your last comment. Eaomatrix 20:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Added stuff about the goals. Eaomatrix 21:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Goals, establishment of ideas all done. I know what it is about, you can support now. Eaomatrix 21:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Made it more clear. Nearlly done. Eaomatrix 15:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Alexamenos graffito

Hi there,

You just rated the Alexamenos graffito article as "start" class in the Christianity WikiProject. According to the definition of "start" class this means the article is "still weak in many areas, and may lack a key element." I contributed most of the content in this article and would love some constructive comments on how to improve it at its talk page. Thanks! Grover cleveland 21:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Worth reading.

I found these blogs during my now-standard Bob Dylan Google search. It seems that they both cover Dylan's faith from a Messianic Jewish perspective. I don't intend these as sources (yeah right), but they're worth reading.

• Why Bob Dylan Probably Wouldn’t Attend a Messianic Congregation
• Bob Dylan: A Messianic Jew

They also cite a book which I think might be very useful: Restless Pilgrim: The Spiritual Journey of Bob Dylan. I believe it has passages which support Dylan's fusion of Jewish and Christian beliefs, and it seems to make an argument against his return to Judaism. Hopefully, my predictions will come true. --C.Logan 00:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I'll check the links later- for now, the Royal Tenenbaums is at hand. I'll see if I can find any additional sources for this point, since it seems to be the main argument at hand. --C.Logan 00:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

John, if you are willing, I would like to nominate you for adminship. You seem to me to have all of the qualities that would make for an excellent sysop. I will probably only be online hit or miss over the weekend, but leave me a note on my talk page if you would be interested. -- Pastor David ^† _(Review) 03:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)\

I understand your reluctance. If you reconsider in the future, please let me know -- I happen to think you would be an ideal candidate for the tools. Pastor David ^† _(Review) 00:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm behind this in spirit. John, you are an eloquent and level-headed editor, unlike myself. It's a shame that you've left the Afd discussion. I can't really blame you though. I have the pleasure of responding to the same argument 6 times a day.

Additionally, Cleo posted a source (on Bus stop's talk page) for Dylan's reconversion. Unfortunately for Bus stop, it's from a site called "JewsRock". I'd be very, very amused if Bus stop presented this Jewish site as a reliable source, when it was he who vehemently denied to accept any source which was affiliated with Christianity because they were "mired in the agenda of proselytizing".

I took the initiative to note the above on Bus stop's talk page. Cleo seems to think I am a troll, and has threatened to report me for harassment. So much for reasonable suggestions. --C.Logan 08:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I have been following the deal with Bob Dylan/Christianity for some time now out of curiosity after I noticed that editor got blocked. As many editors on the Michael Richards page are well aware of, the editors you are dealing with can be difficult to reason with. Now in the spirit of WP:AGF, I should mention I do think they truly believe they are "improving" the articles (though well-meaning editors who don't understand/follow rules can be even more disruptive than vandals), but generally speaking:

• both of them seem to often ignore WP:V. Specifically the very first sentence in wiki's chief policy: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Reading the Bob Dylan article, I'm astounded at the amount of dialogue--you had verifiable sources that said he converted, therefore it belongs in the article, end of story. Any further discussion is a waste of time.
• one of them writes huge missives. He's well-meaning but does not seem to be familiar with wiki rules, or just have chosen to not take them to heart--as is evident judging from his reactions to the block. Rather he often chooses to bend the rules and policies as sees fit. I do think if he ever take the time take the wiki policies (ESP WP:V) to heart, perhaps one day he can consistently make positive contributions instead of disruption.
• the other would communicate better if she 1) tone down her personal attacks 2) cut down on her a bit too-frequent attempts to threaten people who have the gumption to disagree with her ideas e.g. "you are violating wp:[insert random rule she thinks sounds about right], I'll report you." I've also witnessed her often deleting factual, cited information from pages, apparently using the reasoning "if I say it may not be true, then regardless of what sources say -> it must be libel -> is a violation of WP:BLP". WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are issues with her (See my talk page and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Richards_Laugh_Factory_incident for some samples.)

I think the best way to deal with difficult editors of course is to treat them with more civility, maturity, and understanding of wikipedia policies than they've shown you; so it's crystal clear to others who's in the right...Which I think you guys have done a great job on.

Tendancer 00:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Cold War history

I responded where you directed, in short I can do it. Is this still to be Cold War history or just Cold War? IvoShandor 06:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Electrocardiogram

I was wondering if you could leave some comments at talk:electrocardiogram explaining the reasosn the article was rated B-class so we can target improvements accordingly. Best, MoodyGroove 12:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Thank you. MoodyGroove 14:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Thanks for mediation idea.....

Hello John,
-Thanks for proposing the mediation regarding the Dylan question at List_of_notable_converts_to_Christianity. I think that was an excellent idea. Even if Bus Stop does not agree, still I think the invitation to mediate sends a helpful and positive message in his direction. -Sincerely,
-Scott P. 01:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Southern US Wikiproject

Why has Ned Scott removed all the templates and blanked the template, without the slightest discussion? How did the proposal suddenly, magically become an "inactive project", without consulting any of the interested parties? This is completely counter to Wikietiquette, and startling bad faith. Chris 04:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Sigh.

It would appear that Cleo exhibits a histrionic attitude concerning the argument at hand. It would, perhaps, be best to ignore her, as it seems that she feels she is back into a corner (by us, apparently). There appears to be no reasoning behind her overly defensive and snappy attitude. The irony is that she believes that we are the ones in need of a break. And to think that I commented on her talk page to continue the discussion in a more peaceful, reasonable manner. It seems that she didn't interpret my gesture in the manner which I'd intended. Hopefully, once this whole thing calms down we can all be friends- although I'm not exactly holding my breath. --C.Logan 23:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Chile city naming convention poll

You are invited to participate in a poll at Wikipedia talk:Chile-related regional notice board#settlement article naming poll. Please express your opinion there. Jespinos 17:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Your support

Thank you for your kind comments. I probably won't run for admin again, so I won't remind you of your promise :) Errabee 18:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Kabbalah Center

There are always people making exaggerated claims, like IZAK's claim that all Jewish denominations shun the Kabbalah Center and its beliefs and practices. Not true. I think most Jews are disinterested in this controversy, and do not feel there is any correct way to study Kabbalah. So why not let Madonna study Kaballah. As long as she doesn't wear skimpy costumes and perform on rabbi's tombs.

The Kabbalah is a vague collection of texts, some in ancient and medieval languages, some of which are not even translated into English. Also, there is evidence that Kabbalah and Sufi Muslim sects intersected and intermingled. --Metzenberg 07:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks!

thank you for the star :) â€” Demong _talk 20:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Christianity Core Topics

The discussion is going at WikiProject proposals about what a "core topic" is. In the meantime, I have started a list in my userpage based on my understanding of what a core topic is. Feel free to jump in on the discussion, or in helping my list along. Pastor David ^† 20:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

What a cool username!

Hi Johncarter. Ran across your username somewhere (probably on discussions about genetics). Gotta let you know, I would bet almost no one here would remember Edgar Rice Burroughs' other series. Absolutely excellent name - meaningful, historical, seemingly common, but literarily significant. I'm gonna rename myself "Princess of Mars". (Or maybe "Winston Smith", or "Woodrow Wilson Smith"... hmmmm). Anyway, just wanted to let you know. Cheers. Esseh 03:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

A-class review

Hello. I noticed that you assessed an article at the A-class review page. Would you kindly take a look at the Malcolm Sargent bio article and weigh in on it at the A-class review? It's been sitting there for several days, and no one has assessed it either way. Thanks for your opinion either way. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 14:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Veterinary Medicine

Hi, you expressed an interest in Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary Medicine, which I've just moved into projectspace, so feel free to watchlist and contribute over there. Thanks :) --Quiddity 06:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

John, thank you for your kind words in support of my RfA, which closed successfully yesterday. Of course I would have liked to have given you a heads up about it, but didn't want to violate WP:CANVASS. FYI, I have noticed your request for mediation going on - please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Pastordavid 16:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

European Microstates

Just wanted to let you know that the European Microstates Wiki Project is up and running. I'm going to spend some time tagging articles today in hopes of getting some more interest. matt91486 17:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

More thoughts on Bus stop

Another idea for dealing with Bus stop's disruption of the talk page would be to try to get a limit of one post per day placed on him on that particular talk page. A similar sanction was applied to an editor who displayed similar behavior: GordonWatts.

The comments in the three AfDs on the list had a point. There needs to be some serious improvement there. However, when every conversation becomes about Bus stop and Dylan, that is impossible.

The problem is I do not know where to take this. Requests on the community sanction board are frequently met with a jaundiced eye, as there are so many meritless requests posted there. I'm not sure if this can go to WP:AN or not. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 19:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

How many inapplicable policies and guidelines must the editors of this page be accused of before this dispute ceases to exist? Bus stop seems to think WP:ADVERT applies; it's a shame he didn't take the time to digest it before posting. Additionally, he's accused the editors of violating WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE yet again, despite the fact that I've already quoted the text from that policy 2-3 times to demonstrate how it is not applicable in this situation. Bus stop (and Cleo, apparently) seems to feel that the name of a policy or a single sentence from it is enough to condemn another user of violation. That's really the only way I can see him seriously accusing us of these policy violations. We haven't been angels in this discussion, but in regards to the article, I haven't seen any relevant or realistic accusation. Cleo claims to be "creating a written record for an administrator to review", but given her tone and her very strong attitude in regard to the discussion, I can't see her presenting any fair representation of the discussion at all. I could be wrong, but it would make much more sense to have a neutral editor compile such a record. As far as the whole 'you being new' thing- trust me, you've been one of the most level-headed and policy-wise editors in this discussion. --C.Logan 07:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I got your message about the Request for Arbitration you filed regarding Bus stop. I did not see a request for comment that had been done on him yet. Often, ArbCom will decline to hear a case if the dispute has not gone to RfC first. However, I saw that you did post about him at the community sanctions noticeboard but the closing admin felt you failed to get consensus. In addition, given his unwillingness to actively engage with other editors, I'm not sure that an RfC would do much good. I'll try to make such points when I get a minute to make a statement. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 15:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

You realize the long responses to his long posts are encouraging him, right? :) While he might be guilty of creating a bad situation, everyone else is guilty of making it worse. â€” Demong _talk 23:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Demong. I think your arbcom request was doomed for a few reasons:

• as ObiterDicta mentioned not first submitting it to RFC hurts
• Also I think the case could've been much much better presented per: [[1]]. There're dozens of examples of disruptive editing in Bus Stop's edit history, and diffs probably would've helped immensely
• Bus Stop's refusal for mediation should've been detailed, as that is a key intermediary step to using ArbCom as a last resort

In any case, I think even more disturbing than Bus Stop's disruptive behavior is his friend's incessant incivility and personal attacks (side note: one editor referred to the two of them as the "Dynamic Duo" back on the Michael Richards talk page due to the pattern of uncivil/disruptive behavior they've consistently shown, and tendency to work in tandem. Perhaps the moniker should've been "Dynamic Duo of Disruption"), all amusingly committed with a rather self-important tone of voice, amusing because he/she seems to have a very weak understanding of WP policies, as evidenced by his/her tendency to mis-apply WP:BLP ad nauseum. The latest vitriolic attack on you is more than enough material to submit him/her to either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts as you are not the first user this uncivil editor has targeted (myself being one), and won't be the last. If these disruptive editors weren't so unimportant I would've long ago submitted an RFC against them, though I think I will soon compile evidence to do so anyway as they truly create an unpleasant environment for other editors in Wikipedia, and some admonishment from admins will hopefully encourage them to look inwards and become less defensive about other editor's efforts to teach them about how WP works. Cheers. Tendancer 17:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

John, I know you may be busy with the discussion and with your own user page, but I was wondering if you could help me respond to this inquiry. I'm going to reply the best I can, but you seem be much better at describing things formally. --C.Logan 21:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For all of your contributions to saint related articles and for the tons of articles you created. Well done! ♠Tom@sBat 21:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked one too many people, maybe

John, it looks like someone already lifted the autoblock (still figuring all this out). See if you are still blocked. Pastordavid 21:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Inter-relig TF

Hey, I'm a little unfamiliar with project proposals. I think this TF is definitely a great idea. However, is any approval necessary? Do we simply start the project once a sufficient number of editors are involved? How will we deal with articles which are under another project? Do we simply operate on these articles while they remain under their previous Wikiproject, or do we also include a Inter-relig template on the page? I'm not sure if I phrased that clearly, but you know, I'm feeling lazy. Anyway, if this is a task force, you may want to move it to the task force section on the WP proposals page.

Oh, and if you haven't yet noticed the considerable (but fallacious) argument put forth by Cleo, then I suggest you look it over. I have a partial response to it, but a lot of it deals direct questions at you, so I'd prefer to let you respond to those points first, rather than leave my own half-answer. I think it's distressing that Bus stop and Cleo cannot perceive the thin line between communication of ideas and events and actual teamwork- you and I agree on some things, but on others, we disagree. We aren't functioning as a team in this discussion. It's simply natural for the minority opinion to develop a mentality of "everyone is ganging up on me". --C.Logan 02:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm actually rather eager to get started on this TF. Very unusual, but I suppose it's mostly because of my grief over the prolonged discussion at hand. Speaking of Cleo's accusation, I believe I've already given an example of a court case which ran along the same lines (though with slight differences), which ruled in favor of the company. How much more so would this be the case with WP, which provides five separate disclaimers about the content contained within, and consistently makes no guarantees that the content provided is factual/reliable. --C.Logan 19:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Warning

Please, do not alter, adjust or modify the talk page comments of others, as you did here. This is known as vandalism and can get you blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you for your cooperation. Cleo123 22:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Articles created

Wow, John. You seem to be on a roll with this article creation thing. I commend you, and considering that many of these saints are of the Orthodox tradition, it may give me something to work on later. Good job. --C.Logan 18:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

(Sorry for the Late reply) Thank you for creating WikiProject Iraq (better than anything I might have created), How do I join/Add the logo to my name? If you are willing, a reply in my usertalk page would be prefered (because I am likely to forget I sent you this message). --cs1kh 16:53, 21/05/2007

WikiProject Wikipedia MFD

The statistics you used in the WikiProject Wikipedia MFD debate are in error. I have pointed this out to you so you have a chance to correct your arugment, withdraw your statement, or reply to my response. 20:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Matilda of Ringelheim

I've suggested removing the "photo needed" box from this article (see my rationale at 'talk')--what do you think? SGilsdorf 14:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Architecture

In April, you rated the article B. It's had some wrk done on it since then. I think its a GA. It doesn't attempt to cover the history of architectural styles, but does give a fair overview of architectural practice. Do you mind taking another look? --Amandajm 09:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to mention- the entire History section of this article is devoid of references, and unfortunately, its not going to get any.

The problem is, that it has been written in a very consistent manner by someone on a particular tack, and hasn't had a great deal added to it since. Because the info follows a particular train of thought, rather than being bitty (like a lot of such assemblages) either it was all drawn from a particular book, or it was all put together from the large knowledge of an expert wiki writer drawing on various sources but using them to a particular end.

I haven't been able to track down the person who wrote it a couple of years back. I can find books to cite that mention the particular buildings, but because the info is specific to the article, it would need some individual to come along, perhaps, and say "oh, that's a summary of Suchandsuch." If it was a simple history of building styles, on the other hand, it would be easy.

I would go with a GA, despite the lack of references and the expectation that they will not turn up. Actually, the bits that demand inline cites (ie the quotations) are not a problem.

--Amandajm 10:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi John! I was pleased to receive your positive response. I don't think any of the informatiom in the History section would be challenged. I'll follow the course you suggest.

--Amandajm 08:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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IRC meeting to discuss Version 0.7

Hi John, we're meeting on Sunday to discuss Version 0.7 on IRC. Do you want to join us? If so, please sign up here. Thanks again for your ongoing work, it's really made an impact. Walkerma 01:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Any idea what period we are talking about with Abhor? even just roughly ? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 15:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

OK its good to fill in all the gaps of course but some idea e.g 10th century or whatever helps a little otherwise the reader is kind of wondering over a thousand year period at least when he existed!! Its a shame in medeival history there isn't always much info available Good luck anyway you usually do a great job on saints. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 16:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Abibion is much better - it puts it in the time period and place. Good work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 17:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

While I am sure he is a good editor, unfortunately I do not believe that I contribute enough presently or even know enough about the editor to sponsor them to become an admin. To my knowledge you don't need to be an admin to nominate someone and it doesn't make you look any more worthy of a candidate to be sponsored by an admin. It really doesn't matter who nominates someone (though IMO, it's far better to be sponsored rather than to nominate himself). All you really need to do is read a few RFAs (where someone is sponsored by someone else) and make a similar post noting his good contributions for Wikipedia as well as reasoning for why he would need the admin tools. Assuming of course he accepts you sponsoring him. You would be a far better sponsor than I. Once he is nominated, leave me a note on my talk page and I'll support. K1Bond007 19:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh I declined as soon the user Highfields suggested it to me -this is why he didn't get as far as nominating me. -I'd rather contribute to articles rather than the admin side of it. I'd hope I am doing a good job unofficially anyway. Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 20:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Many others have mentioned it - I thought i'd put it in my user page so people know. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 20:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK×2

On 29 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Anthony of Kiev, and Anthelm of Belley, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 00:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed micronations wikiproject

Hi and thanks for your interest in this project. Look forward to working with you. FYI I've actually already set up a temporary project page here: User_talk:Gene_Poole/Wikiproject_Micronations_workpage. --Gene_poole 23:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Architecture

Hello and welcome to the wikiproject - here's the bulletin - if you don't like it just delete it from your talk page, otherwise, it automatically updates. Please give me or one of the other project members a shout if you need any help. Kind regards --Mcginnly | Natter 19:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Architecture Bulletin
A new Historic houses task force has been created. Please join if you are interested!
Announcements - please add your Project announcements   The Tower House, promoted to Featured article on 7 April 2015 St. Joseph's Church, Semarang, promoted to Good article on 29 June 2014 Sri Temasek, promoted to Good article on 19 June 2014 Yue Hwa Building, promoted to Good article on 19 June 2014 Corpus Christi College, Oxford, promoted to Featured picture on 19 June 2014 Sofia kyrka, promoted to Featured picture on 23 February 2014 William Burges promoted to Featured article on 21 June 2012
Articles at Peer Review - edit list Machu Picchu Manor House, Sleaford Endeavour House Taliesin (studio)
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