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Investigation on someone

Hello Liz. How are you doing.

I need you and some others to investigate on this wikipedian Saqib. He is constantly deleting my articles and he first adds nobility to it and the next he nominates it for delete. He previously also accused me of Sockpuppeter and also though I have connections with someone but I said that I don't have any connection. He is trying to make me block from wikipedia. I have started wikipedia in 2020 and this is my only account which I use till now. I am purely contributing to Pakistani Entertainment. I take sources from newspaper, books, magazine and interviews.

He thinks that my sources are not fine and keeps saying they are not significant but these sources are used in other Pakistani articles as well. I did a litte bit of my search on Saqib and I learned that he has previously did this thing also on other users as well such as deleting their works like of Faizan Munawar Varya whose articles he also deleted. I saw their converison Reporting User Saqib for Harrasing other Users on Administrators' noticeboard in April 21, 2024.

Please do some investigation on Saqib.

Thank you. Have a very wonderful day. (12:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC))

Hello, BeauSuzanne,

First, please be sure you correctly sign all messages you leave on talk page. Secondly, I don't consider my activities on Wikipedia as "investigations" but I'll look over their contributions. :Could you perhaps look over their criticism and see if there is any truth to it? There is a possibility that they have a valid point about your articles and it is just being delivered in a hostile way. I know what it's like to feel targeted but they might have a reasonable concern about your work and some improvements you might make to your editing skills. But I'll see if the attention is verging on harassment.

But if you came to an admin looking for someone to deliver a swift block on someone you are in a dispute with, you came to the wrong administrator. That's not how I operate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz. I'm not talking about blocking but I only want to investigate on him. I don't know anyone here so that I could have told them to investigate. I will look again at everything and check everything.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC))

Hello, BeauSuzanne,

Well, often when some editors get in a fierce dispute they would rather try to get the other editor blocked than talk out the issues. But I'm sorry if I made an incorrect assumption here. I'll get to this tomorrow. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It's alright no worries :). Thanks for your help.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 08:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC))

Help with italic title

Hi Liz. I just came across the article on Hayley Mills and its title is oddly italicized. As you know articles about people are not italicized. I've been trying to figure out how to change this, but I can't seem to find a way. Any help fixing this would be much appreciated. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

It was the {{Infobox album}} near the end of the article. —Cryptic 21:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 4meter4,

Thanks to Cryptic who provided an answer. To be honest, I'm not the best admin to come to when there are format/technical concerns. You'd have a speedier response approaching a content creator who is familiar with templates or even go to WP:VPT where there are usually pretty quick responses. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Tanmoy Roy

Hi, Liz. I started an AFD on the page Tanmoy Roy and everyone has agreed that it should be deleted, and I think we're starting to approach a WP:SNOW close at this point. Let me know your thoughts and I'll respond back ASAP. Thanks. (please  mention me on reply) NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Will this obscure toy line qualify for inclusion on WP?

An article on Woodsey--a very obscure toy line produced by Fisher-Price at the turn of the 1980s--has sat idle in my article sandbox for a decade and a half. At this writing, the only coverage thereof is the barest of a one-line mention in the "Historic brands and products" section of its company's article.

Coming back to it this season as I clean out the sandbox one topic at a time (while transitioning to a brand-new AFC queue), I've found three--make that six--usable citations so far from the fishwrap morgue (via WP:Library) that may be enough for a standalone page. An ambitious task given that most of the WP Library hits are advertisements; if you or I can find more coverage, then we'll remind you!

Like I said...very obscure.

Toys

• Jinkins, Shirley Young (1979-03-25). "Dallas Toy Show previews Christmas '79 extravaganza". West Texas Living. San Angelo Standard-Times. p. 1E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Although this brand gets a one-paragraph description here, this is pretty much the earliest mention anywhere.)
• "This year's gift is tough: Preschool -- Play family". Anderson Independent. Anderson County, South Carolina. 1979-11-13. p. 2D. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Description of the toys, dating back to the line's launch.)
• Pywen, Martha (1980-11-17). "Toy guide for parents: 16 experts give uninhibited opinions on eight newcomers". The Cincinnati Post Accent. p. 1B. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (The line, as the "Woodseys' Log House", is profiled here [with a related picture atop the article].)
• "New toys at library". The Sun Times. Owen Sound, Ontario. 1981-08-14. p. F12. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. ("Fisher-Price has produced two sequels to the Woodsey family house, the Woodsey Store and the Woodsey Airport.")

Books

• Sanders, Linda (1981-11-15). "Books: Woodsey series for children almost too good to be true". The Clarion-Ledger. Jackson, Mississippi. p. 18G. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Mostly positive review of the four-book set, entitled the "Woodsey Log Library".)
• B.H.H. (1981-12-20). "Favorites for young". World of Books. The Anniston Star. Anniston, Alabama. p. 8E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Paperback reprints are reviewed; again, mostly positive.)

It might as well be an understatement that this quoted excerpt from one of those tie-in books--Uncle Filbert Saves the Day, the one I've always remembered from my primary-school youth in the Commonwealth of Dominica--aptly serves as a metaphor for my efforts those past several days, and (on a wider scale) for those committed to upholding WP's RS/notability expectations no matter the subject, vintage, demographic, or obscurity. (H/T Etsy product pics.)

"When will he [Filbert] settle down?" said Mama [Milkweed], shaking her head.

"Sometimes you have to run up many trees to find the right branch," said Papa, who often said things that took a while to understand.

But cute and daredeviling as he is, don't expect a separate Uncle Filbert article anytime soon, though...

Once this appeal gets the go-ahead, I'll put this straight in the mainspace--something I hardly ever do nowadays thanks to AFC.

Speaking of old-school cottagecore, I have a Bethany Roberts draft to revive soon enough--blame recent Miraheze duties for the oversight.

All the best...

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Please have a look at this AfD closure

Please have a look at this AfD closure. For me it was wrong closure as each of KEEP & DELETE got 3 votes excluding the nomination. Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Twinkle1990,

Before I possibly get involved, have you approached the closer? That is the first step you should take. If you believe their decision was in error or shouldn't have been closed by a non-admin, outline your reasons ask if they would consider a reversion of the closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz. I contacted them And they answered {{"he marginally satisfies the WP:GNG. One delete !vote believed that she had not received sustained coverage and that The available coverage is limited in depth, often focusing on her arrest for hate speech or her association with notable figures, rather than any significant achievements or unique contributions.".

Can you WP:BOLD? Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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List of people from Hamilton, Ontario

Your recent edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_from_Hamilton,_Ontario&diff=next&oldid=1214990356 left behind half a reference. Please fix it. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 76.14.122.5,

XFDcloser usually handles these removals appropriately. I've reverted my edit. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Floriana First draft

Hi there, I understand you had to follow rules on drafts so I won't complain / blame. But could I have the source code restored to my userspace please or via another method? Thanks very much Mtonna257 (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mtonna257,

Can you give me a link to the exact deleted page? Then I won't have to search for it. That will speed things up as I will be on and off Wikipedia over the next few days. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It was, Draft:Floriana First. Thanks! Mtonna257 (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I know its been too long, but could this be acted upon please? Mtonna257 (talk) 14:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy

Would you mind restoring the recently deleted Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy to User:ZLEA/sandbox/Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy? I'm going to try to find sources and at least salvage the content in another article. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ZLEA,

Saw your message, happy to get to it later today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've taken care of this for you, ZLEA. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Extraordinary Writ: Thanks! - ZLEA _T\^C 22:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Why did u delete analog to digital timeline

Why did u delete analog to digital timeline Hope oh uh, Merry chrus the crushing mas 19:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Merry chrus, Liz deleted Analog-to-digital timeline because there was a consensus among editors that it wasn't an appropriate topic for a list. You can read the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Analog-to-digital timeline to see people's reasoning for supporting deletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ami Dror (2nd nomination)

Hi @Liz: a non-admin editor who has no clue has closed it a keep on a contentious Afd. I was planing to address a comment to it. Can you reopen it. scope_creep^Talk 20:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, I've been BOLD and undid the closure with an edit summary, and leaving it to your or other admins' discretion. Courtesy pinging @Scope creep. X (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Tracking categories

Those 3 categories that you nominated for deletion. I'd only created them less than three hours earlier. Will be needing them slightly longer than that. However, in a day or two, they won't be needed anymore and I'll delete them. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Jet Fuel Formula history restoration

Hi. Don't worry, this isn't some kind of nagging for an undeletion, but I use Jet Fuel Formula almost daily and as soon as I saw it deleted, wondered why it wasn't simply turned into a redirect with retrievable and 'bookmarkable' history intact. No dice, and while I was pleased that User:DrPepperIsNotACola recreated it as a redirect, that user stated that they don't have the power to restore histories. Could you please restore the history, and if you feel the need to still wall it off from restoration, make it a protected redirect? Thanks.2605:59C8:150D:D610:F9F3:D983:872E:1CB7 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's because it was deleted at the AfD discussion located here @DrPepperIsNotACola then turned it into a redirect NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 17:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I noticed it was completely deleted and then a redirect of the same title was put in place, hence the history is gone and the current redirect history is a single entry unrelated to the original. Technically, unless an admin did some something fancy, getting back the history would require at least a brief undeletion of only a matter of seconds before it was turned back into a redirect, if need be with one of those padlock thingies.

Not to gripe, but I do so wish that were a more common practice, thereby allowing the deletion to stand and the content still be there for weirdos people like me to take a peek or use the content. Everyone's happy. Cake. Eat. Too. (Then there's the matter of someone post-deletion wanting to move the content to elsewhere - like fandom/wikia - but being unable to since the history is gone, or being unable to save the content for their own personal use and can't because they missed their only chance…)98.97.14.142 (talk) 02:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm kind of going through a lot right now. I will be glad to help you when my life stops circling round the drain. Not sure when that will be but it won't be during the next 48 hours where I'm sitting with a relative on hospice care. Please do not take this personally. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks once again and it is much appreciated. Sorry to hear about the relative in hospice care.

For years when I saw redirects (usually for TV series characters and episodes), I would check to see if there was a history. Sometimes I'd find it used to be only a stub, other times a respectable article that nevertheless was determined best to remain only as a redirect (likely due to it being considered excessive fancruft?). Still, many times it had no visible history to speak of and I was left wondering if the history got wiped out in the decision to delete it and then make it a redirect. When I bothered to check if it got Waybacked, the answer was all too often that the article did once contain quite a bit of info and I don't understand why there was no effort made to preserve a history. Seems harmless.

This particular Rocky & Bullwinkle episode list was different for me since I used it so frequently, and while I of course could just continue on independent of wikipedia by using the (several month old) Waybacked version or the harder to browse list at thetvdb.com, I felt the need to speak up since it seemed indicative of what I consider a bigger problem of an unnecessary purging of histories that could easily live on. It allows for everything from casual reading & browsing of what used to be as well as more thorough saving, copying, or even article export for a new home at a user page or different wiki. 2605:59C8:150D:D610:9C68:F5E4:C9BD:6D3E (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Is this still being worked on? (Figured I'd give it a month before replying, if still needed.) If you'd like, I can put this in as a WP:RFU, with the above caveats about it not being a real undeletion request, but just about history restoration. Thanks. 2605:59C8:150D:D610:8190:37E8:EE45:E490 (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Gave it another month (plus a few days) and decided it best to put in an undeletion request here. <crosses fingers>2605:59C8:150D:D610:BD96:F332:55B9:1C0E (talk) 23:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for deleted article

Hi @Liz, please don't be angry. I want you to assist me restore this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ndifreke Ukpong and move it to draft.

Usimite (talk) 12:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, answering parallel request on my Talk here for centralization.

Hi @Usimite. Articles deleted as advertising, which this was, are generally not restored. Can you please advise how you became aware of a deletion discussion that closed before you had this account? cc @Drmies Star Mississippi 15:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

i saw it on article deletion related to Nigeria. I saw this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Tedja too. I never wanted to create them directly, that's why I reach out to admin because I'm new to wikipedia. Usimite (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Usimite, that is little short of miraculous--or unlikely. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That's what I thought as well @Drmies. I'm guessing Nansyy wie stale but let me know if you think it's worth paperwork. b Star Mississippi 02:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Star Mississippi, I don't know--yes, maybe, I guess. I had a look (and rolled up one set of socks--look at User:CharlesTaze34, but they were not this one) and found a multitude of accounts on a few ranges in Spamland, but there is so much that I really don't know what to do with it. I just see that Spicy has kindly checked (thank you!) on an account that pops up continuously in my checks, including this one; Spicy, I hope I'm paraphrasing you correctly when I say that this is just really difficult or tricky, given how busy it is. So, Star Mississippi, maybe there's just no point in it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies and Star Mississippi: FWIW, Usimite was indeffed today at wikidata, where their manual edits triggered an LTA filter for Ndifreke Ukpong. Their manual edits there seem a bit precocious, especially for one claiming to be but a simple editor who wishes only to contribute to articles about Akwa Ibom State. This AFD "keep", for an article by another new SPA, also strikes me as a bit out-of-the-blue. Sorry Liz, for conducting a pre-SPI here. Wikishovel (talk) 18:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Shocked, utterly shocked! LOL

Thanks for the background @Drmies & @Wikishovel. I see from Bovlb's note that's this farm: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ukpong1, no wonder they found me after some discussions I hadn't been involved with. SPI is so hopelessly backlogged so unless Drmies or @Spicy wants to fast track it, I'm not sure paperwork is needed since will end up with a period between edits. Happy to file if someone thinks it helpful. Star Mississippi 02:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes please to an SPI, User:Star Mississippi. I'll add to it where I can. Wikishovel (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

for @Wikishovel @Drmies (and @Spicy, if interested/available): Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ndizzy4glo

Apologies Liz, we'll go elsewhere if this needs to continue Star Mississippi 18:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

ooph

I've never kicked the can down the road as much as I did with today's log. This lack of participation overall and some niche topics. Yuck. Just venting. There are no answers as you well know. Star Mississippi 14:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

I know what you mean, I don't like to relist AFD discussions but when you have a handful of people making valid arguments on both sides (or unruly discussions with editors all over the map), well, I see more No Consnsus closures in the future. Which can mean more visits to DRV my favorite place on the project.

We got a temporary boost in discussion closers when I made a comment on AN about it about a month ago but we also need more thoughtful discussion participants. But people burn out, especially those who are frequntly arguing to Keep articles. But you know all of this, too so I won't repeat myself. We should consider a discussion board for venting or maybe that's what email is for! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep. I was half tempted to make a plea for participants. There was some definite IARing happening. It may be ineligible for soft deletion but two weeks of silence means what other options do we have? THanks for always listening. I'd totally be here for WP:ANVent Star Mississippi 17:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Just noting I also raised our discussion at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2002 Commonwealth Games Star Mississippi 00:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Request for Investigation of User:Saqib

Hey there, I added my articles Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Hook (2022 TV series) as per WP: Articles for creation and were accepted for publishing by User:ToadetteEdit, However, User:Saqib reverted the pages to draftspace. Also he has nominated several articles for deletion without giving proper rationale. Kindly look into the matter. Earlier User:BeauSuzanne also pointed out his actions which are discouraging for me to publish articles on Wikipedia. Kindly look into the matter.182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes I've tossed those drafts back because they're all citing unreliable sources. @Liz, fyi User_talk:ToadetteEdit#Hook_(2022_TV_series). --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

IMDb, Daily Times, Dunya News, ARY News and Daily Pakistan are unreliable? 182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, these can be somewhat reliable sources, but you've thrown in a bunch of unreliable ones too. Plus, even with these ones, not everything they publish would pass WP:RS. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Majority of the sources included are reliable, the coverage of the subject matters too and the citations covers it in detail.When the sources are reliable, how you can determine which one should pass and which one should not?182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Drmies, User:Saqib is involved in making wrong decisions. You can check, my IP doesn't match with User:BeauSuzanne. Infacf, User:Saqib is biased in exercising his administrative rights by nominating multiple articles. I'm just voicing his unjust actions, that's why he's accusing me as logged out User:BeauSuzanne. Kindly provide justice.182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

• Saqib. Please don't add my name in everything. I am not doing anything outside my account.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC))

  Exactly, User:Saqib is misusing his rights. Kindly other administrators User:Liz, User:Drmies look into the matter. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  I had about an hour and a half of sleep last night so I won't be doing any "investigations" of anyone right now. Feel free to contact another administrator or, even better, talk out your differnces and resolve them through on of our dispute resolution processes. Go to the Teahouse for details about them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Take care Liz, get some rest and recharge! —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Take care, have a good sleep.182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Just a random question

Hey @Liz, thank you for editing Wikipedia. I was wondering, do you use a bot to archive discussions on your talk page, or is it managed through a template? Or do you handle it all manually? - Macrobreed2 (talk) 16:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Macrobreed2: It is handled by a bot. You can see the details about this at Template:Archives - UtherSRG (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! - Macrobreed2 (talk) 05:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shatha Mousa Sadiq

Any chance you could speedy keep this for me please? I found out it was just a case of the wrong article name which can be fixed out of AfD so have withdrawn, and there are no delete !votes on it. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 20:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

DABs and such

Hello, I was hesitant to make this comment because I don't want to sound obtrusive, but I notice that when you delink deleted articles on disambiguation pages, set index articles, etc., you often leave the entry there, such as in this edit. I feel like this goes against the spirit of MOS:DABNOLINK/MOS:DABRED and similar navigational guidelines. Do you think you could take care to remove the entries completely on disambiguations, set indexes, see also sections and hatnotes when the article it's linking to has been deleted? (in the case of hatnotes, the hatnote should be removed completely if it contains only a redlink). Hopefully there's not a misunderstanding on my part. Thanks for all the work you do here! AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, where is the problem, her article has a reputation, anyway, I was not familiar with Wikipedia's rules

EHF profile

(Video of participation in national team handball matches )

1 2022 IHF Men's Beach Handball World Championship 2 Beachhandball World Championship Men3 22 ASIAN MEN'S CLUB LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP4 2022 IHF Men's Beach Handball World Championship5 25TH ASIAN MEN'S CLUB LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP

Moslem Kazemi's presence in Al-Kazme Kuwait's group stage match of the 2023 Asia Men's Handball Clubs Cup .5 (the news) :1 The presence of Moslem Kazemi in Al-Kazema and representing India 2 In the Asian Beach Handball Championship, he won the right to participate in the World Championship. 2022 Asian Beach Handball Championship men's premier league

I know I messed up, please return it :) ALIREZA HASANVAND (talk) 05:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've indeffed this editor for spamming a request to create this article. Star Mississippi 18:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Another one

Hi Liz, I am contacting you about a page you deleted: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Obese-Jecty - Wikipedia

I have read the rationale and disagree that it should have been deleted. Political candidates are subject to significant media interest and pressure. Added to which, having been a columnist at a national newspaper and a television pundit on national news in the UK the subject is more notable than those arguing for deletion suggest. The article should at least be moved into draft; as noted in the discussion it was well-written and detailed. Toadynudge (talk) 10:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• Toadynudge, hi--you did not read Liz's rationale; what you read was Liz's summary of the "delete" arguments. I see that you did not participate in the discussion. You can take this up at WP:DRV, but I have no doubt that the consensus there will be that Liz correctly closed this discussion, which is the basis for any decision by the closing/deleting administrator. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mercuri_Urval_International

DearLiz, We have gotten our page deleted based on this log: Expired PROD, concern was: No evidence of notability - sources are not in-depth, independent coverage. MU are a 66 year old company operating world-wide and we have several sources and independent coverage to add if needed. Please let me know how to proceed to get it edited and restored. Warm regards, Sofia Sofiahl (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sofiahl,

Can you providee a link to the deleted page? Then we can see why it was deleted. It may take a while for me to respond back these days. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I have gotten help to restore it to a draft, so don't need assistance anymore. Have a great day! Sofiahl (talk) 07:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

AFD Withdrawl

Please close this AFD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicol%C3%A1s_Fern%C3%A1ndez_Miranda. I am withdrawing my nomination based on new sources discovered.Shinadamina (talk) 04:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shinadamina,

Thanks for coming to me for help but I have a lot going on in my life right now (see the header at the top of the page). If I don't get to it, I'm sure someone else will tend to it soon. Have patience. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Shinadamina  Done ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 08:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Article Draft Removed, but article exists

Greetings. I am an administrator and bureaucrat on Wikimedia Commons. It was brought to my attention on a platform not Wiki that there is a problem with some edits on an article Donald_Young_(choir_director). As stated on that talk page,[1] I found some problems with some edits on that article and corrected as many as I could. I then went to the page of the editor responsible for the odd citations and found that you recently deleted a draft article on the apparently same topic. The diff is here [2]

I do not think that the changes that I undid are relevant to the Wiki project. They have been undone by others before. I wish I had more experience with en:Wiki - do you have an equivalent to "check user" to see if there are socks of this user? The person who brought this forward to me suggested that there may be other edits or other accounts involved.

In the interest of completeness, I looked at other contributions of this editor and found Benedict_Biscop of which the first four citations either do not mention, do not exist, 404 page not found. Later citations at least mention him, and one https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095458439 seems to be the source of much of the en:Wiki article including perhaps full phrases.

Please reply to me at my Wiki Commons talk page [3] which sends me notifications.

Thank you so much in advance for your time and attention to this matter.

Best wishes, Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ellin Beltz,

I responded to you on the Commons. The part of the English Wikipedia that deals with sockpuppetry is WP:SPI. You can find more information there or go to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of Todd William Schroeder page

hello Liz, this is a page you deleted in on the 26th of April, 2024. The copyright infringement issue has been resolved as the subject's source has added a disclaimer on their site where the links/statements were gotten from. Could you please restore the page, as i have some edits to make to it?

If you'd prefer, you could restore it to the draft space if you have any concerns. Concerns i hope you would share with me so i can correct them.

Thank you.

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Nuel Jr (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Nuel Jr (talk) 06:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nuel Jr,

Please provide a link to the deleted page. We can't restore content that is a copyright violation. I'm not sure that this declaration resolves the copyright issues. I recommend going to the Teahouse for specific advice on copyright issues. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Dear admin-chosen-at-random-who-seems-to-be-active, do you think edit summaries like this are acceptable? Do I need to raise this at an admin board somewhere? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for three days. Johnuniq (talk) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Johnuniq for your timely action. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Dang boy, not just abysmal, but utterly abysmal! Drmies (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Martinevans123,

Thanks for other admins for stepping in here. I'm active but as you can see by the header at the top of this page, I can be slow at responding. Sorry you had to put up with this nonsense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Lillyanacut/Gelsen Gas

Hi Liz. This G8 deletion of yours seems to have been erroneous. G8 excludes "Redirects that were broken as a result of a page move or retargeting (these should instead be retargeted to their target's new name), except where R2 speedy deletion would then immediately apply if they were fixed (e.g., redirects to articles that have been draftified)". (And, of course, R2 doesn't apply to redirects from userspace.) (Do with this comment as you wish; I don't particularly care if it's undeleted.) SilverLocust 💬 06:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SilverLocust,

I'm not sure I'm following you as User:Lillyanacut/Gelsen Gas isn't deleted now. But it was previously deleted because it was a broken redirect to Gelsen Gas Student Article and we delete broken redirects. This was a page that was moved around a lot so it's a little confusing. I try not to make mistakes but I'm a very active admin so it's possible I made an error. What sort of resolution are you looking for here? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, after my comment here the page has been moved back to the title of the deletion, so there is nothing to do now.

G8 says (quite correctly) that broken redirects should be fixed, not deleted, when broken as the result of a page move — unless the fixed redirect would be an R2. The move redirect from userspace was broken when you draftified the article. SilverLocust 💬 00:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ping

I mentioned you at Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Unlink_and_disambiguation_pages (one of your edits made me think that maybe Twinkle could be improved). Somehow I had forgotten that you are unpingable (when I was reminded, it did ring a bell though). Anyway, here is a proper notification so you know I have not been trying to talk about you behind your back. —Kusma (talk) 21:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kusma,

I don't know if I'm "unpingable" but I get so many pings that I stopped monitoring them. Thanks for letting me know. I'll see if I can wander by that discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I was unaware of that. If I am addressing an administrator concern with which you were involved, should I refrain from pinging you? ~Anachronist (talk) 02:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Anachronist,

Well, it's best if it's important to do what Kusma did and alert me on my user talk page. I just post so many welcome messages to new editors and notices about expiring drafts that I get more pings than I can respond to. To be honest, I'm also pretty slow and inconsistent about responding to talk page messages, I just seem to get so much traffic here, I'm not sure why. I found one editor was recommending to new editors to come here if they had any problems and I was like, "Sigh. Thanks but no thanks." Luckily, I have some awesome talk page stalkers that get to messages to supply help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted page

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Hello Liz, I somehow missed the notifcation from March that an article I edited was proposed for deletion due to "Bandcamp artist spam". This page has since been deleted, titled "Wally Scharold". If I recall correctly, I updated a dead link on the page to that person's band, which is currently only linkable to their Bandcamp page as the official website of the band was no longer active. Had I been aware of the proposed deletion in time, I would have gladly removed the edit in question. If possible, I'd greatly appreciate it if this page could be restored. Thank you. AimlessIdler (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AimlessIdler,

Just checking, you are talking about Wally Scharold, right? As a deleted PROD this article can be restored. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, yes, Wally Scharold. Great news that it can be restored. Will the content from the deleted version of the article need to be corrected upon restoration? Happy to do so if so, just checking. Many thanks for your swift reply and help with this. Kind regards. AimlessIdler (talk) 00:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AimlessIdler,

 Done All of the content is restored. Please know that the editor who tagged this article as a PROD might nominate it for an WP:AFD deletion discussion. If it is deleteed via an AFD it will be much more difficult to restore. If you want to work on the article undisturbed, you might move it to your user space for a while. Please look at the PROD deletion rationale so you understand what should be fixed. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, understood and thank you for restoring the page as well as providing helpful next steps. Kind regards. AI AimlessIdler (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft about surgeon

Dear Liz,

Could you look into Gregory J. Marchand and examine the circumstances of deletion? It might be possible to restore it to draftspace.

You're definitely right that the AFC process can be tedious and tiresome, we went through a lot of draft revisions to get through! But, as you can see from the logs I did indeed follow the AFC process all the way through. I did not take any shortcuts or post in mainspace without permission, and so CSD may have been mistakenly applied. I really appreciate your help with this. Also, if you have any suggestions to improve the page I will be happy to comply.

Thank you!

Danthemedguy22 (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Danthemedguy22

Are you a paid contributor? I ask because articles on this subject have been virtually identical and resembled advertising every single time. I'm not willing to restore this kind of promotional content to the project. It would be best if you started from scratch and wrote a draft article appropriate for an encyclopedia and not a business directory on the world's best doctors. The hype of winning world records, for example, was completely inappropriate for an article on a physician. Good luck but I'm doubtful that editors with an obvious conflict-of-interest can write an article that would be approved by an AFC reviewer.

This is what I would advise you to do. However, if you want to contest my deletion, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review but you have to present a very solid argument to win the approval of the editors who review appeals. I think it would be unsuccessful but it is an option you can take. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear Liz, thank you for your quick, detailed reply. If you would be so kind as to review the AFC logs, you'll see that my conflict of interest (COI) was disclosed with the initial AFC submission and continues to be displayed on my userpage. I made sure all editors throughout the AFC process knew of my COI. I'm a published researcher at this institution. My conflict of interest was completely disclosed and discussed during the AFC process, (a lot of the back and forth is also on my talk page,) and we were very careful to avoid promotionality with the help of the nice editors at AFC. I'm not interested in disputing your deletion, but I would like to avoid the 6-12 month process of starting AFC from scratch.

Therefore, from reading all of the above topics you've worked on in this talk page, I see that you seem extremely reasonable, and tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I've been open, clear, and obeyed all of Wikipedia's regulations and pillars. If you would be so kind as to allow me to submit a draft of this page to you for consideration, I believe I can perform a rewrite that excludes any promotionality and that you will find suitable for this online encyclopedia.

Oh and congratulations on your new barnstar below! I sincerely appreciate the tremendous amount of time and effort you put in to improving Wikipedia as an unpaid volunteer. Keep up the good work! Danthemedguy22 (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For your tireless work at WP:AFD, I've seen you taking excellent decisions in closing and relisting discussions. Thanks so much for your contributions :-) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and P.S. how about archiving your talk page? It takes a lot of time for me to load due to all of the discussions on here :) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cocobb8,

Thanks for the barnstar and I will archive my user talk page. I'm helping take care of a parent on hospice care, hence the message at the top of this page. I'll get to it soon. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear Liz, no worries. That sure sounds tough. Wishing you strength during those difficult times Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of deleted page

Hi @Liz, please I want you to restore my sandbox User:SafariScribe/sandbox, its urgent as it contains part of an ongoing peer review for FA. I thought I had transferred all to the main page before tagging it for speedy deletion. It is urgent and was an error. Thanks for your consideration. Regards. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Safari Scribe,

You should ask the admin who deleted the page. I do not have the free time right now to handle these kinds of requests. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fastily isn't responding though I have requested in WP:REFUND but it's being deleted and the work in the sandbox is urgent for the ongoing peer review. I will just be patient. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Safari Scribe,

 Done Okay, alright. Sorry, I'm sleep deprived. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Aight, I explicitly appreciate that. Who am I when I have a good one like you, take it easy also and always take some deep rest. Let me rush to the reviewer ASAP. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Early NAC closures

Since that DRV is now closed, I figured we'll continue this here. You said,

Owen×, I've observed that many NAC closures are early closures. AGF, I think they want to gain experience with closures but with a current shortage of closers, it's usually unnecessary to do closures early. I don't want to single out this closure as it's just a trend I've noticed this year. I've seen "SNOW" closes with only 3 or 4 discussion participants which is not how I interpret SNOW to work.

Personally, I'm not bothered by eager NACs jumping in to close an obvious Keep AfD a few hours before the seven days are up. If consensus to keep is obvious enough for a NAC, waiting the full week is an unnecessary technicality. What bothers me are closures that are completely inappropriate for a non-admin. Almost anything closed as No-consensus is a BADNAC, pretty much by definition. Marginal Keeps are also a problem. Yesterday I had to revert a NAC Keep closure based on a grand total of two Keep !votes, one of which was little more than an ILIKEIT. The closer was friendly and understanding, so this didn't end up with a wheel-war like with that other guy I took to DRV, and the harm was minimal, but these things happen all the time.

We need to find a way to encourage non-admins to get involved with closing AfD, without creating this mad race to the Close button I see as we approach the seven-day finish line. Currently, most of the obvious NAC-elegible AfDs are closed by you, by Star Mississippi and by Explicit. By the time I check the backlog, usually all that's left are the contentious, messy, often political ones that no one else wants to touch, and almost invariably end up in DRV. I try to tackle at least one of those whenever I see them. Would it make sense to deliberately leave more obvious Keep AfDs open for NAC closure? I know you hate seeing anything in the AfD backlog, but these are easy, straightforward cases, and no harm is done by having them open for eight days rather than seven. With more opportunities for NACs to hone their closing skills, maybe we'll get fewer of those forced-SNOW inappropriate closures. What do you think? Owen× ☎ 12:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@OwenX, If I may, as the one who performed the NAC mentioned here, I totally agree with what you're saying and had a quick thing to add. How about not allowing AfDs to be closed prior to the 7 days (at least, by non-admins, and still allowing nominations to be withdrawn)? I think that it would help reduce the amount of those SNOW closes from occurring (just as I did with my first couple, unfortunately very much mistaken, closes). That way, NACs could safely happen on eligible keeps after the 7 days and would reduce the occurence of that SNOW trend that Liz mentioned. Obviously, there'd need to be a community consensus for such a change. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in, Cocobb8! If all non-admin closers were as cooperative and as eager to learn as you are, things would be much easier. I'm game for the procedural change you propose, but I doubt it would gain consensus if proposed as a policy change. That's why I'm looking for a change that can be implemented without updating policy, just by changing how the most prolific AfD closers handle the task. But I'm open to other approaches. Owen× ☎ 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply @OwenX! I'd be interested to see what other admins and editors think about this procedural change too. Would it be a kind of proposition for which all admins would support and non-admins wouldn't? How here's an additional thought: maybe some kind of "AfD closer" user right can be created through WP:PERM, so that it works the same as WP:NPP. But that might be a little overkill too. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! just noting I've seen this and will circle back to it in the coming days. I was offline this weekend and will be again next. (Sorry @Liz, I know I said I'd pick up the slack) Star Mississippi 02:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Random question

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Hi Liz,

I am a student currently writing a paper on gender bias on wiki. I want to ask you a few questions regarding your experiences as a female editor on wiki. If you are not comfortable responding, then no worries about responding. Thanks!

These are the questions I would like to ask for my paper: 1. Have you ever experienced anything that you would classify as a result of gender bias on wiki? 2. How you heard of the "Women in Red" list on wiki> If so, have you tried writing a page for one of the women with a red link? What were your experiences like and what type of edits did you receive from other editors on wiki? 3. Why do you think gender bias exists on a platform such as wiki, or even in general? Is there anything you think that could be done to lessen this divide caused by gender?

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and I hope you have a wonderful day! Cthmwh0 (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cthmwh0 (talk page watcher) Liz is busy and stressed, as noted above at the top of their talk page. They may not respond to your query. Just a heads up. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Requesting help regarding a deleted article

Could you please advise me on how to fix it or not? Because Draft:AP (Thailand) Public Company Limited has been deleted. I'm not sure where I went wrong. 58.137.32.194 (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello, @58.137.32.194. I am not Liz, or an admin, but I can tell you that the page was deleted as a redirect that goes to a page that doesn't exist. Currently, Liz is very busy, and they may not reply fast. If this is urgent, I recommend asking another admin; we have quite a lot of them, you know. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance on Republishing Sergey Smbatyan's Article on Wikipedia

Hey @Liz,

I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express our gratitude for your invaluable contributions to improving Wikipedia content. Your dedication to maintaining accuracy and reliability within the platform is truly commendable. I am reaching out to discuss a matter regarding an article draft that was deleted last year under your supervision. The draft in question pertains to Sergey Smbatyan, and it was removed due to a lack of reliable sources at the time. Since then, I worked to gather sufficient and verifiable sources covering Sergey Smbatyan's accomplishments and contributions. I believe that now I have a robust set of references that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability. Given your expertise in this area, I would greatly appreciate your guidance on the process of republishing the article. I want to ensure that I adhere to all Wikipedia guidelines and protocols to guarantee the article's compliance and accuracy. Your insights and direction on this matter would be immensely valuable to me, and I am eager to collaborate with you to bring this article back to the platform in a manner that upholds Wikipedia's integrity. Thank you once again for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Warm regards Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Not done The draft in question still exists, and has been submitted for review, see Draft:Sergey Smbatyan. I'm not Liz, but I am responding on their talk page as they are very busy and stressed, indicated by the notice at the top of this talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, @Grigor Khachatrian, I have declined it due to it reading like an advertisement. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @TheTechie, thanks for your commitment to improving Wikipedia. Could you please guide me which part is reading like an advertisement, and how can we improve that? Thanks in advance Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 06:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

For one thing, your use of the subject pronoun "we" gives me an idea that you are a company. Wikipedia accounts are strictly for one person. I am sure that you are an SPA, but I'm sure someone will find out soon. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear @TheTechie, Mentioning we I mean me and you, as me and you are contributing of the improvement of the Wikipedia. As you are a senior editor, I am seeking your guidance and help to improve the article. Thanks in advance. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to discuss on my talk page. Let's move there so we don't clog Liz's talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for your reply! Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Humankind

Please restore and let me know when you've done so. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC).

(talk page watcher) Hi, I'm subbing for Liz on their talk page as they are very stressed.  Note: you don't need to ask Liz here, they clearly say in the deletion note: If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13. Hope that helps and good luck! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I was sorry to hear that Liz is stressed. If she is too stressed to respond here, perhaps it would be wise for her to stop deleting things.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough given the issues around Immanuelle's translations, I'm not sure about restoring this one. The one prior was a redirect. Was there particular history you wanted to explore? Star Mississippi 12:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea, since the page is deleted. Once I can see it, and the history, I will be able to form a judgement.

I note that Draft:Mankind has been deleted since, so perhaps I should take a look at that too.

I have also not been following any issues with any other users editing, and strongly support editing from the standpoint of content rather than authorship.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough, Draft:Humankind is restored save for some early bot weirdness. Pinging @Interstellarity to shed some light on whether the history swaps are useful, but they're restored for now. There is nothing at Draft:Mankind as the text was, in its entirety: Dummy page to use as a reminder to edit Draft:Humankind. Mankind should redirect there when the draft is accepted.

Not watching the draft so please ping me if you need anything further. Star Mississippi 00:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 09:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC).

User:Star Mississippi I am puzzled, I can see no reason that I should have been notified that Liz was deleting this draft. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).

Apologies, I didn't realize you operate SmackBot. Those were the edits I described as "bot weirdness" but have now restored. How dare you not immediately recall high impact 2008 edits ;-)

Those are also now restored and likely why you were notified. Star Mississippi 13:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Star Mississippi Thanks! This is just a history of ... well lets be nice. Can you move this draft page back to where it belongs: Mankind, reverting User:Immanuelle's move to Draft space. I think you can safely overwrite what's at Mankind at the moment, although if you want to do a history merge, more power to you. Liz should have spotted this, bulk deletion is never a good idea. I'm not sure that User:Interstellarity's "round-robin" move (that's not what a round robin is) was a good idea, but that's another issue. Once again thanks. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Done @Rich Farmbrough.

At least the end result, I think I messed it up along the way but I'm 99% sure I got what you were hoping for in terms of history at the right title. Let me know if more is needed? I am not the most tech savvy of editors if you hadn't guessed so can't promise I can take it further. Have a good evening Star Mississippi 01:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Category for the Swedish national bandy team

Please see Category talk:National bandy teams. I appologise for not having written any comment about it when changing.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 11:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello, I'm subbing for Liz as they are very stressed.  Not done: It's unclear what you'd like to be done. Please let me know what you are expecting. If you need an admin, please ask another one, this one is going through a lot. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie:: I am not asking for anything to be done. I am writing about a comment that Liz wanted. BTW, I didn't know Liz was a collective.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 11:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You around Liz?

That ANI discussion about Synthesis seems to be very much on the wrong board. Not a surprise as the editor who brought it there only has made 123 edits in over 3 years. Do you see any behavioral issues that justify keeping it open? Doug Weller talk 11:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, Liz isn't around, for now. As listed above, they're busy in real life with personal issues. I am replying on their behalf because, as noted above, they are stressed because of said personal issues. If you like, you can move it yourself. If you would like a third opinion, please let me know which section of ANI you are talking about, there is quite a lot. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie Ouch. Sorry, I didn't read the page. It's at WP:ANI#Multiple rule breaking edits. I think it should be closed. Liz, very sorry to hear about your real life issues. Doug Weller talk 16:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Doug,

Don't feel bad. I'm helping provide hospice care for my mother along with my brother and sister so there are times when I'm busy off-line and times when she is sleeping where I do basic editing to relieve stress. I just am not up for putting out fires and chatting a lot (I typically leave long talk page messages!).

But we are all dealing with some kind of stress, I know, and even though I archived a lot of messages recently, my user talk page is still pretty full and most people don't see the header at the top of this page. I hope you are doing okay these days, you're all in my thoughts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, is it ok with you if I keep responding to messages on your talk page? Or would you like me to stop? Please be honest. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

And I can add the notice to your editnotice too if you'd like. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m sorry that’s necessary but glad you’ve got family to share it with. It’s. Good that your mother can be with her family. I’m doing ok really, living a pretty normal life for my age, although may be having chemo again soon. That won’t be too bad. Doug Weller talk 18:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, TheTechie, to be honest, I have mixed feelings about it. I have been blessed by several helpful talk page stalkers who have offered replies to editors' questions before I got around to responding to messages. I have a tendency to either respond to messages immediately (like now) or I can take a few days to get to messages. If it is an editor with a general question and you can tell them where to get help or where to find an answer, then it would be very kind for you to respond. But if it's a question about an AFD closure or some other admin act I've done, then I really need to reply myself. And don't speak "for me" or about me, I'd like to choose when to share about my life.

You can add the "stress" header to my edit notice, that would be helpful but don't, for instance, archive my user talk page. Several years ago, an editor set up automatic archiving for me, without asking, and my talk page archives are still screwed up as the archiving was done to whatever archive page had the most space, not according to date. I can handle that on my own. But thanks for asking me how you can help, if you can work within the limits I describe, then your assistance would be welcome and appreciated, thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Understood. And about archiving someone else's talk page...I do agree that it is going too far. I won't tell others the details, but I will say that you are busy/stressed, and if it is about something you did, well, I'll leave you to it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I'm having an argument with User:Toughpigs about whether Unicron is notable. My stance is that he's just iconic for being really big (there's a difference). As the person who closed the original AFD, what do you think now? 2605:B40:13E7:F600:81AF:FB54:24F5:260E (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm not arguing with you about the article content. I'm asking you to respect prior consensus, and stop trying to re-nominate articles that have recently been discussed at AfD. Toughpigs (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha. I still want a third party though. 2605:B40:13E7:F600:81AF:FB54:24F5:260E (talk) 21:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Toughpigs. Seems to be well supported with sources at a glance. IP starting with 2605, I'm afraid you'll have to find somewhere else to edit. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Correspondentman at AfD again

I saw that you commented at User talk:Correspondentman § AFDs seven months ago. He's just nominated three more articles in quick succession, all associated with Azerbaijan. He hasn't made any other edits besides AfD. Someone also pointed out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subhan Aliyev that he was banned at az.wiki for sockpuppetry (az:İstifadəçi:Correspondentman). I'm not sure if this is grounds for WP:ANI etc., but since you were suspicious before, I thought you might want to know about this. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has been nominated for discussion

Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I mention this mainly because you appear to be deleting pages directly from the category, so your opinions at the discussion would be appreciated. Primefac (talk) 06:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac,

I'm not sure why Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has suddenly become empty, it typically contains several hundred drafts that are coming due for G13 speedy deletion over the next month/4 weeks.

But the three admins who typically handle G13s (me, Explicit and Hey man im josh) actually make use of daily lists generated by User:SDZeroBot for this purpose (see User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon). SDZeroBot's lists are more complete that this category ever was. Years ago when SDZeroBot started helping with G13s (Sept. 2020), I asked the bot operator, SD0001, why SDZeroBot's lists were more accurate than this category, but we didn't figure out an answer beyond the possibility that not all expiring drafts were tagged for this category. But I have no idea what bot was in charge of tagging drafts to be in this G13 eligible AFC submissions category in the first place!

But I've never seen this category completely empty before, this is really strange!. Did someone change a template or something? We have editors who tag expiring drafts with CSD G13 tags and they typically use this category, not SDZeroBot's lists. It's a very small group of admins and editors who handle tasks related to G13s so we kind of have a routine operating procedure. Again, I'm not sure if a bot stopped tagging drafts or what that would cause this category to empty out. In the past, it has gone down to, say a hundred drafts and I'd ask DGG for help and he seemed to know how to fix the problem and the category would fill up again but, unfortunately, that's not possible any more. There might be a query about this at WP:VPT from years ago when this would sometimes happen. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions (the 5–6 months category) is not part of the nomination. Rather, Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions (6+ months) is nominated for merging into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions, which currently consists of pages manually tagged with {{db-g13}}. SilverLocust 💬 14:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leigh Rogers

Good afternoon! You recently closed this AFD as "keep", yet you relisted this AFD earlier in the day with the comment "A comment to "procedural keep" is not an argument on why an article should be Kept. I'm relisting this discussion." I am curious why one merited a closure as "keep" when the other was relisted. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bgsu98,

You filed dozens of AFD discussions for articles on this subject, most of which were relisted because we have low participation right now in AFDLand, especially when there are so many AFDs filed on the same day on a similar subject. We have a limited pool of editors who participate in AFDs.

I'll have to look into this tonight when I usually have more time to address talk page queries. I do recall that I saw another closer close an AFD on a skater that had similar comments as a "Keep" and that might have influenced my decision. But I'll have to look over the daily AFD log page and both AFDs to be sure. I was handling so many of these AFDs you filed yesterday, this one isn't sticking out in my memory. Hope to have an answer for you later in the day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Syringa Pinnatifolia

Hi Liz, I see you've moved or deleted a page (Syringa Pinnatifolia) I was trying to move to mainspace. Thank you; I'd made a mistake with the page name (I think I inadvertently created a userpage with that name somehow) and I was trying to see how I could correct it. Is there a way of restoring it under the correct name, please? (You'll have guessed I'm rather new at this). Anyway, any help you can offer is appreciated. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ArthurTheGardener,

What's possible can be seen by looking at why the article was moved or deleted. Can you provide me with a link to the page that was deleted that you are concerned about? That would speed things up. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you: I'm very new to this, and I'm happy to start again if needs be. I think this is the link to the draft page (although I can't for the life of me find where it is now). Draft:Syringa Pinnatifolia ArthurTheGardener (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

Hi, Liz, I came to ask you what you see in the sources for Magdalena Hinterdobler (who is clearly notable per Michael Bednarek's first comment), but as you point at stress I just send best wishes. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Exemplary

This is exemplary and maybe I can learn from it. Small steps though. NebY (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to Recreate Draft:RG Qluck Wise

Dear @Liz,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request permission to recreate the draft for the article on RG Qluck Wise, a Ghanaian record producer, author, and graphic designer.

I understand that previous attempts to create this article were met with deletion due to various reasons, including concerns about notability and promotional language. I have carefully reviewed the deletion log and taken steps to address these issues:

Notability: I have conducted additional research to ensure that RG Qluck Wise meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for musicians, authors, and graphic designers. I have gathered reliable, secondary sources to establish his significance in these fields.

Neutral Tone: I have revised the content of the article to remove any promotional language or bias. The tone is now neutral and factual, focusing on providing an objective overview of RG Qluck Wise's career and achievements.

Draft Status: Instead of resubmitting the article directly to the main space, I plan to recreate it as a draft. This will allow for further refinement and review before seeking publication.

I believe that the revised draft meets Wikipedia's standards and guidelines for inclusion. Before proceeding, I wanted to seek your guidance and approval to ensure that I am following the correct procedure.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I am open to any feedback or suggestions you may have for improving the article further.

Best regards, Abigailka (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Bhagyavidhaata

Hi Liz, you have been pinged. Jay 💬 07:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Lonely Warrior

Hello, I would like to thank you very much for helping me move the article. Because I am a newbie, I need help in many places. However, this article is an assignment left for me by my teacher. The teacher’s request is to put it on my personal homepage in, So I'm moving this post back，Thank you very much for helping me, have a nice day Mcx8202229 (talk) 10:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Mcx8202229: Please see the message I left for you at User talk:Mcx8202229#Your userpage because, as Liz mentioned in her post at User talk:Mcx8202229#May 2024, your userpage is not really intended to be a place to work on drafts for future articles and leaving the content there only increases the risk that it will either be moved to the draft namespace again by another Wikipedia administrator/user or even possibly tagged for speedy deletion. If having your work in the draft namespace is really undesirable for some reason (though it's hard to think of good reason why that might be the case), then you should create a userspace draft and copy-and-paste the content there instead. Once you've copied-and-pasted the content into a userspace draft, you should remove from your user page. Whatever you do, please don't try to WP:MOVE your user page to the userspace draft because doing so will create a whole new set of problems that will need to be cleaned up. Finally, as I also posted at User talk:Mcx8202229#Non-free images and article namespace categories, non-free content can't be displayed on user pages per relevant Wikipedia policy, and article namespace categories can't be used on pages in the user namespace per relevant Wikipedia guidelines; so, please don't re-display the non-free file or re-enable the categories until after you're draft has been approved as an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Strategic Consortium of Intelligence Professionals (SCIP)

Hi Liz,

I noticed that you deleted the wikipedia page for Strategic Consortium of Intelligence Professionals (SCIP). I want to edit the content for the page to update it with the most latest information. Can you guide me on this? AakritiBasnett (talk) 17:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Heads up

I've just been contacted (via WhatsApp) by someone (Ali Al Suleiman, Arabic: علي محمود السليمان) whose article you once deleted. Wanted me to help him restore the article, to which I said no without even looking into it. I was then told that he's got a draft (in Arabic?) ready that's just about to go into main space, "hence there shouldn't be a problem". Interestingly, there does not appear to be a Wikidata entry for this person. Do we care about people's autobiographies in other language Wikis? Schwede66 03:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Schwede66, for reference that person is likely a LTA known for canvassing other users (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/علي أبو عمر). Pahunkat (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/DOVO Solingen. Daniel (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daniel,

I don't follow this talk page comments, it refers to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 22 but there is no review of this AFD there. But thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The editor was reverted trying to file, it seems. Daniel (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing the title 'Manu Munsi' to 'Manu Munshi' and 'Kumkum Munsi' to 'Kumkum Munshi'

Hi, Recently I created 2 articles with the title 'Manu Munsi' and 'Kumkum Munsi'. But, from google search I came to know that these people used to write 'Munshi' more frequently than 'Munsi'. That means, the original spelling was 'Munshi'. So, first I tried to create redirect pages with 'Manu Munshi' and 'Kumkum Munshi', respectively. But, I came to know that previously these pages were created by someone but deleted later. But, I have enough sources to make these pages notable based on which I created these pages with the surname spelling 'Munsi' which is actually wrong. The original spelling is 'Munshi'. I don't know who created the previous articles. I would like to know whether it is possible to change the title of the articles accordingly. If you kindly advise me in this regard, it will be beneficial. Finesilpo (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Request

Can you please undelete 19th Division (United States)(Prior to World War I) looks like that one had substantive history, and was also a bit of accidental WP:WHEELing. I plan a running a script to find these and go through systemically to deal with a some point when I have the time. Probably in most cases they will be fixable by moving without leaving a redirect, but there will probably be some XFDs needed. Of course if an obvious title presents itself you can go ahead and move it there right now.

Separately, I have a nagging feeling I was supposed to assist you with something a few months back, and I can't remember if I got around to it. Probably not important, but if you want to give me a hard time I won't object. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:A024:5E49:D03:3D9F (talk) 16:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

User:RUI Thomas Fan

Said user may be a sockpuppet of User:SteaminThomasTheTrain32 because of unofficial Thomas & Friends-related Auto-biography pages and said in the pages that his name is “David J. Murray Jr”, which is the user’s real name

Also he was infamous on FANDOM as an account named “Really Useful Hedgehog 2” for attention seeking and trying to steal another user named “Too Much Toby” IP address..

WarnerPlzWarning (talk) 00:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)  Not done: It's not clear what you want Liz or any talk page watcher to do. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please spread the word!

WarnerPlzWarning (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place to spread rumors. We only make claims when we know we have evidence. I ask that you stop disturbing Liz, as they can't do anything about this, and bring your concern to a checkuser by clicking here thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's right!

RUI Thomas Fan (talk) 00:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Audio samples deleted per FFD

Since you've been contesting my PROD tags, I would like to notify you about the following audio samples deleted per FFD discussions:

• File:Joan Osborne - One Of Us.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• File:Weight, Band.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• File:Lynyrd SkynyrdFreeBirdSolo.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

If you still feel that any of the above needs to be undeleted, then (I insist you even as an admin) please contact Explicit or Fastily, or please take any of them to WP:DRV. Thank you. George Ho (talk) 02:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg

Hi Liz. I'm not sure I agree with your assessments of File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg and of the article where the file is being used that you gave in your deprod rationale. Even so, if you're planning to rename the article and make other changes so that it focuses on the book instead of on Pressac (as you suggested should be done in your deprod rationale), then perhaps the cover could be kept; however, this file is essentially a collage of multiple images, and I don't think a non-free image of the interior pages would meet WP:NFCC#8, at least not based on the current version of the article. If your intent is to use the image in accordance with item 1 of WP:NFCI and WP:NFC#cite_note-3, it probably needs to be cropped to just show the cover. The cover and interior pages should be treated as separate files if the argument is that the latter also satisfy WP:NFCCP since their justification for non-free use isn't really equivalent. If you disagree with my assessment and feel the file is fine as is, I can nominate it for discussion at FFD to see what others might think and to try to sort things out; it could (at least in my opinion), however, be difficult to establish a consensus in favor of even keeping the cover as long as the article remains as is (i.e. about Pressac). -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion about this file at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 June 3#File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg. You're welcome to comment if you want. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

File:Columbus, Ohio 1963 04.tif

Hi, I noticed you closed this PROD a while back. I would like to request undeletion. The concern was "Unused, obviously incorrect license tag (not PD-US), but unclear if this is eligible for Commons. Esoteric file format, dubious encyclopedic value".

• "Unused" - Can just be transferred to Commons, clear educational value.
• "obviously incorrect license tag" - image was made in 1960s, likely published somewhere without notice. Website also states "No known copyright restrictions", it is unlikely these photos went unpublished.
• "esoteric file format" - tif is in no way esoteric
• "dubious encyclopedic value" - Clear c:COM:EDUSE as photos of a building from a collection

—Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Matrix,

 Done PROD'd articles and files can be restored upon request so you don't have to present me with an argument. However, it can be nominated at WP:FFD and there, a Keep rationale would help preserve this image. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Re Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish people murdered in attacks

Delete a category. I simply moved the articles to another one that met the criteria better. KujKuń (talk) 18:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KujKuń,

So, you are asking me to delete this category? I'll look into it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question on draftifying

Hi, I have a question on something that I've run into a few times. What is the best procedure if a user immediately recreates and article in mainspace after it has been draftified? I tagged this one for CSD under a custom rationale but I figure there is a better way. Thank you. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TornadoLGS,

Oh, this happens far too often. Some patrollers try to tag the recreated article for speedy deletion, I think as a CSD G6 but that doesn't apply to these situations. Since an editor can always object to draftification and move a draft article back to main space, there is no CSD criteria that covers a cut and paste job. I give a C&P Twinkle warning to the content creator but all that does is try to prevent them from doing this action again in the future. You could move the newly created main space article to Draft space and Merge the two articles or turn the draft article into a redirect to the main space article. But, after making this mistake early in my editing career and being corrected, there is no deletion rationale for deleting either the main space or the draft space version of the same article. I've seen editors try to bend the CSD criteria to fit this situation and admins vary on whether or not they will agree with the tagging.

But, honestly, most of the time, nothing is done in these situations. I believe this is mainly because, typically, the content creator is the primary editor for both a draft and main space version of the same article so attribution is not a big concern. I wish new editors would understand how draftification can be a positive step and allow them to work on an article in draft space with less of a threat of deletion but I think most of them see it as a punishment or a negative action. Sorry I can't present you with a one-size-fits-all magical solution. I use to review the daily draftification list and be more aware of when this was happening so I could talk with the editor or post them a notice but I stopped doing that task a few months ago. If you want to know the link to the bot page which lists all draftifications, I can dig it up for you. Let me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

So you mean like moved to something like Draft:[pagename]2 and then redirect? I'm not really concerned about attribution. More that it's an unsourced BLP page, and apparently autobiographical as well. I've recommended the creator submit the draft through AFC going forward. Honestly I might suggest a CSD criterion for this situation or for the too-common case of an editor moving or copying a declined draft to mainspace without improvement. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Category: Black Sun Ensemble albums

Hi Liz - you removed the C1 speedy deletion tag from this category on the basis that the category was not empty. As I explained in my edit summary, effectively yes it is... because the only entry in the category is a redirect, this band has no album articles at all. So a category is considered not empty even if it is only populated by redirects? Richard3120 (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Richard3120,

We have plenty of categories that only contain redirects. Redirects can be categorized, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't know that... you learn something new every day. Thanks for your reply. Richard3120 (talk) 09:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Irfan Ajvazi - Back to Draft: instead of G4

I didn't check logs to see if Irfan Ajvazi had been through AfD before, but having both seen the prior AfD and references (sic) that are in the current version, I agree that the problems from the AfD have not been addressed. There was some progress; any objections with moving the page back to Draft space instead of deleting it outright? —C.Fred (talk) 20:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, C.Fred,

I trust your judgment. Do what you think is best. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faria Sheikh

Hello Liz. -Just for your record, this IP range was blocked earlier. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, Saqib is correct. That IP was blocked so he was correct in striking their vote. Please be more thorough and cautious. S0091 (talk) 20:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

File:Seal of the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF).svg

Hi. I'm here to ask for the restoration of old versions in this file. Also, if you have an answer or a solution regarding this file, I'm inviting to this discussion! Kys5g ^talk! 11:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Kys5g, I'm not Liz, but usually when older versions are RevDel'd, it has something to do with copyright (e.g. a copyrighted image scaled down and the old full scale versions deleted), but I noticed that some revisions were from a blocked user, maybe they were vandalism? I don't know, I'll let Liz respond though, just wanted to chime in with my thoughts on this. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Michael Sugrue

Hi Liz, I don’t think Michael Sugrue qualified for speedy deletion. He recently got a NY Times obit- I’ve never seen a subject with one not meet notability requirements. Could you restore the article and if you feel it is necessary, nominate it for deletion? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Thriley it was deleted as a G4 (cf Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sugrue not an Aa7, but I personally don't think it was similar enough to merit deletion as such. To skip the Refund dance, where I think this would be restored, @Wikishovel any objection with a restoration to draft space? Star Mississippi 13:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That discussion was nearly two years ago. Since his death, there are have been several obits with The NY Times being the most prominent. I’d like a return to mainspace if possible. Thriley (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley If I restore it to mainspace, it's likely going to be immediately G4ed as it also was in February as it's admin interpretation. (JUst because I wouldn't have doesn't mean Liz & @Wikishovel were wrong). I'm trying to avoid that step/cycle. Star Mississippi 15:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Star M. The NYT obit (unpaywalled copy available on dnyuz.com), published four months after Sugrue's death, talks about how an obscure academic became popular online during the pandemic. Looking at the archived version and the AFD, I'm not comfortable with circumventing AFD and G4 policy on the basis of an obit, and the outcome wasn't a soft delete. WP:DRVPURPOSE point 3 about "significant new information" doesn't seem to apply here either, but I'll defer to Liz (and you) on whether this should go to WP:DRV. Wikishovel (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense @Wikishovel, and thanks for the links as I hadn't dug on this at all beyond trying to help Liz.

@Thriley I think the best solution is probably draft space or DRV review of the one just deleted or February (essentially User:Etyuxdy/sandbox) citing new info since we all seem to agree there was no issue with the AfD close just that facts may have changed.

About to be offline for a couple of hours so will need another admin to restore the May one if you want to go that route, Thriley. Star Mississippi 19:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I think a move to draft would work to allow me to flesh it out. The article was a late evening stub of mine that wasn’t very good. Best, Thriley (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I undeleted everything but the original versions that were old/clear G12s and it's here Draft:Michael Sugrue. Apologies for templating you @Thriley.

I leave it to you, @Wikishovel and any other interested parties to decide whether an improved draft needs to go through DRV, AfC etc as it's definitely subjective. NOt watching so just ping me if needed. Star Mississippi 01:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Suspected meatpuppetry

Hi,

General request for advice as per the above. Current involved in a move discussion on a page (Socialist Appeal (UK, 1992)) where it appears nearly every person pushing for the move is a meatpuppet (and likely member of the group in question) given the highly niche organisation it pertains to yet sudden surge of new and/or low-edit accounts only interested in this one group. Would you be able to look into this or if not provide advice as to where to go for investigation?

Regards, Rambling Rambler (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Carma – The Movie

Hello Liz, I noticed you reverted my recent draftification but I made the change based on Novem Linguae's suggestion, who indicated community support. Could there be a misunderstanding on my part? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

According to Liz's edit summary, she objects because the article is over 90 days old. We're not supposed to draftify articles older than 90 days, per an RFC a year or two ago. Sorry that I forgot to mention this. Guess we'll have to take this restriction into account. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Liz may want to archive some of this talk page soon. I think DiscussionTools is being slow because of the 250 sections. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Novem Linguae,

Believe it or not, I just archived several months' worth of messages a week or so ago. But this User talk page gets a lot of traffic so I'll do some more archiving over the next week. Thanks for providing an explanation of the draftification change. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

If you ever want to switch to bot archiveing, let me know. I can help you set it up. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Novem Linguae but the last editor who set up archiving on my user talk page (without my permission) screwed up my talk page archives and messages were randomly added to different archive pages regardless of the date. I have procrastinated on spending a weekend straightening all of the mess that resulted from that. But thanks for the offer. The thought is appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024

Hello, Liz! I hope you're doing well. Please remember discussion pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Thank you. – Primium (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Primium,

Whose comment did I edit but my own? I've made over 650,000 edits on this project and have been here for 11 years, I don't need basic warnings like this especially when they are inaccurate. If I've done what you are accusing me of, present a diff. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That's an impressive tenure! I appreciate your extensive contributions to the project and apologize if my message seemed accusatory. The change happened here. – Primium (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Seeds of Hope Publishers Deletion

Hello Liz, apologies for the inconvenience but I noticed the article I worked on for "Seeds of Hope Publishers" (Seeds of Hope Publishers) was deleted on the accounts of not having enough credited sources and not enough votes to prevent deletion. I understand that I didn't respond to these edits in time, but would it be possible to make changes to fit these requirements in a brief period of time, or at the very least copy the information created on the article? I can assure you that as a volunteer of the organization, this wasn't an attempt to advertise or market them in any way. but to provide a means of cataloging their history, especially due to the information being from the founder/manager Katie Cook herself. If by chance you need verification I would be happy to communicate in private through email, and provide a link to their website for proof (https://www.seedspublishers.org/)

Any response would be appreciated, and thank you for your time. I also promise I never meant to provoke the wrath of the kittehmaster :)

Have a great day!

Devan Gae Devangae200 (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Devangae200, please disclose your conflict of interest first, then we can discuss fixing the article. To others, see this thread. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, well I suppose my "conflict of interest" is that of a recent student volunteer from Baylor University. The non-profit organization was willing to task people with media tasks, such as helping to create new/updated articles of current events, update the website, etc. My task was delegated from Ms.Cook herself, and she needed someone to help update the Wikipedia article with new material (or stuff she forgot to include such as pictures and such), while she was busy volunteering with other projects from the organization of course. If by chance you're worried in regards to bias, I can assure you that I'm fairly new to the Seeds of Hope itself, hence had no experience with the events listed in the article, and was mainly given the task on account of wanting to learn the wikipedia article format. I hope that answer was sufficient, if you need more I'd be happy to tell you more about my time. Devangae200 (talk) 05:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, my apologies but has the "conflict of interest" I listed enough to discuss either revoking the deletion of Seeds of Hope Publisher's, or at least allowing me to edit the article (or possibly save the information listed before deletion)? Devangae200 (talk) 04:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Amin & Omid

A new reference has been added. Check out. thank you. امیرعلی صادقی (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Shiftboard's Wikipedia Presence

Hi Liz,

I hope this message finds you well.

We recently were messaging with @Seawolf35 about recent updates we made to Shiftboard's page. We are affiliated with Shiftboard and were trying to understand the appropriate next steps.

Shiftboard's Wikipedia page was deleted last week. Is there any way to have it republished?

I understand and deeply respect Wikipedia's commitment to maintaining neutrality and accuracy in its content. As such, I am keen to ensure that Shiftboard's page adheres strictly to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to hearing from you. WinterSea20 (talk) 17:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @WinterSea20, I participated in that AfD and concurred with the majority consensus that the organisation lacked significant reliable sourcing to justify the existence of an article. Liz merely deleted the article in accordance with adjusted consensus. It wasn't so much a failure to comply with guidelines, but a lack of sourcing in compliance with WP:SIRS and much of what I found was sponsored news posts. You note you have an affiliation with the company and therefore seemingly have a vested interest in restoring the article, but you would need to address the concerns raised at the AfD. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Also with a declared affiliation, this likely constitutes a potential WP:COI and the expectation would be any potential future article to be scrutinised via the WP:AFC process, particularly as it's already been deleted via community consensus on notability grounds. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of JCreator

You seemed like the one to talk to since you made the deletion. While it is somewhat obscure now, was made by a company who hasn't existed in 8+ years and frankly sucks, JCreator is still the standard editor of lots of school programs, and I believe it's notable enough for Wikipedia. 100.6.92.95 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 100.6.92.95,

This article was a Proposed deletion and can be restored upon request. Is that what you are asking for? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion requests

Please undelete Journal of Assyrian Academic Studies and Aulakh clan as they appear to have substantive history and they are no longer broken redirects. Optionally, Aulak and Aulakh Clan can also be restored (or I'll just recreate them). SilverLocust 💬 20:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SilverLocust,

 Done. They were broken redirects when they were deleted but they are now restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Garudan

I made a mistake, as we have Garudan (2023 film). Is it possible to move it back to Garudan (2024 film) and redirect Garudan to Garuda (disambiguation)? Kailash29792 (talk) 02:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Kailash29792, done. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kailash29792,

Garudan (2023 film) and Garudan (2024 film) are two separate articles. Should they be merged? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hell no, both are separate, unrelated films. The title in both films refers to the brahminy kite which is what Garuda was. In fact, "Garudan" is both a proper noun referring to him, and a common noun meaning a brahminy kite. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Kailash29792, did the page moves I did go in the way you intended? — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kailash29792,

Well, if they are separate subjects that require different articles, I'm not sure what you are asking me to do. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Nothing else. You did the right stuff, by moving back to Garudan (2024 film) and redirecting Garudan to the DAB page. So thanks. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, I already think I answered their request. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Notices to Babel AutoCreate

Could you please stop posting Twinkle notices to User talk:Babel AutoCreate? The account is a bot operated by the MediaWiki software, and doesn't care if any categories it creates are deleted. Thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Pppery, sorry if it feels like I'm just defending Liz on and on, but I feel like I have a point to make:

1. It notifies the creator by default.
2. They only posted it once.

I'm not trying to defend Liz here, but I'd like to make sure that's clear. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pppery,

Not to repeat another editor's comment, but I do believe I only posted one notice and I'll refrain from doing so in the future. Sorry if my mistake aggravated you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

The history shows you've posted three. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't do research before responding to you. I have literally posted 100,000s of Twinkle notices on User talk page as part of my daily tasks and I don't recall all of them. If my apology and assertion that it won't happen again isn't enough, I'm not sure what else you are looking for from me. Back to work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Tamil Genocide

What made you think that the article had to be kept despite it is fraught with so many problems? Can you find a single country that recognizes this "genocide"? At best, you could have opted for WP:TNT or drafting but there is no consensus for a "keep". Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Abhishek0831996,

I actually knew that no matter how this discussion was closed (Keep, Delete or No consensus) that the discussion would end up at Wikipedia:Deletion review. That's the next step to take if you disagree with the closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 31. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 06:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The content issue of whether there should be an article on Tamil Genocide is now being discussed at Deletion Review. What I see at DRV is what I see in the AFD, which is a lot of incivility and POV pushing that should be discussed at Arbitration Enforcement, now that ArbCom has declared Sri Lanka to be a contentious topic where disruptive editing can be sanctioned at Arbitration Enforcement. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Pune

Hello! Thank you for your warning on the bludgeoning SPA on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Pune car crash. I would like to inform you that the account you have reprimanded has since opened an identical SPA on the same article and has inserted POV language into the mother article. I have just opened an SPI investigation at [4]. Borgenland (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Borgenland,

Thanks for letting me know about the SPI. I'll look into it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy deletion

Hi, I was just wondering why the Mini Guppy article was deleted, thats all. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, A-37Dragonfly,

If you provide me with a link to the deleted page, then I can answer your question. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I dont think you deleted that page but, it has been fully deleted but heres what to look for "Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy". I saw you were removing redirects to that page, and found out it was someone else who deleted it. Sorry, im still new to wikipedia a little A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, A-37Dragonfly,

It's no problem at all, while the "wiki" structure seems simple, Wikipedia, with all of its policies and guidelines is actually quite a complicated system.

First, we have three distinct types of page deletion, Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion and Deletion discussions or AFDs. They all have their own rules. Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy was deleted via a Proposed deletion. The deletion rationale was "No references, this article fails GNG" with WP:GNG being a way that Wikipedia seeks to establish notability of an article subject. PROD'd article deletions are supposed to be "uncontroversial" so if they are contested, the article can be restored upon request. That is what occurred in this case.

What can happen though is if an article that has been "PROD'd" is restored, often the editor who originally tagged it for deletion will seek its deletion through an AFD deletion discussion. If an article is deleted through an AFD, it is much harder to restore. So, it looks like after Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy was restored, it was moved to User space, User:ZLEA/sandbox/Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy, which is much "safer" than being having the article back in main space. While it is possible to get draft articles in User space deleted, they are generally left alone. I'm assuming that once the editor ZLEA believes the article has improved enough to meet GNG, it will be moved back to main space. If you would like to help improve this article, I'd guess that ZLEA would be thankful for your help. It would be polite to go to User talk:ZLEA, introduce yourself and ask if it would be okay if you helped with this User space draft. You already have one thing in common, you both think that this article should be preserved. So, good luck!

If you ever having questions about editing on Wikipedia, it's policies and guidelines, the Teahouse is a great place to go to for advice and support. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that relieve me seeing as I really did like that article, thank you :) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

that really relieved me* A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

For the record, anyone who wants to contribute to the article in my sandbox is free to do so. I have had little time to visit my university's library to find sources the past few weeks, but I plan on improving the article to be moved back to the mainspace, or incorporating the content into an existing article if that is not possible. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

vertiport

The article wasn't created in error. It is a translation from the German version. It was really a lot of work. There's a difference between a Heliport and a vertiport - just have a look on the different articles (even if the authors of Heliport don't seem to see it). Please move vertiport in normal Wikipedia, thanks. It's not a draft. Leo067 (talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Leo067. I'm not Liz, but I've added some information to your user talk page related to translating articles from other Wikipedias into English. Perhaps you'll find it helpful because there are some things related to translating articles into English that you may not know. In addition, drafts for potential articles shouldn't be created in the Wikipedia namespace, they should either be created in the draft namespace or as a userspace draft instead. That's most likely what Liz meant when she stted the page was created in error (i.e. it was created in the wrong namespace) and why she moved the page to Draft:Vertiport. You also shouldn't create pages like Wikipedia talk:Vertiport because that kind of talk page doesn't belong in the Wikipedia namespace. You can post comments related to the draft at Draft talk:Vertiport instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Assistance request Regarding the Abdul Azim Badakhshi's Article

Hello dear @Liz, I am reaching out to you requesting your Cooperation regarding one of my Articles Abdul Azim Badakhshi ,He is fully meet the WP:SPORTSPERSON. Please keep this article and close the nomination for dilation.

I am will be thankful for your assistance.

Sincerely Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 19:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Parwiz ahmadi,

It looks like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Azim Badakhshi has already been closed by another administrator. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz

Someone did nominate it for second time Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Azim Badakhshi (2nd nomination), Please close this nomination and keep my article.

Sincerely Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion Draft requests

Hello Liz, I hope you doing great?. I had to visit your talk page because you deleted the draft articles Draft:Iyanna Mayweather, Draft:Genesis (restaurant), Draft:Speed Darlington, Draft:Ulugbekhon Maksumov, Draft:SportyBet, Draft:Ozuoba because they were more than six months and was never edited. That was due to my block so I choose to stay off wikipedia as advised by an admin. For reference. I would like the draft pages to be restored as I may improve them later, thanks. Gabriel (talk to me ) 14:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher): the third, forth, and fifth drafts still exist. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I had to follow the other process Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13 as Liz might be busy caring for her bedbound relative. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk page of a deleted

Liz talk contribs deleted page Talk:Andrey Shishkin ‎(G8: Talk page of a deleted or non-existent page) Tag: Twinkle

Please restore

Please provide a link to a deleted page and sign all of your talk page comments. Like this... Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 attack on Emmanuel Mwambulukutu

Hello. You recently closed this discussion as merge "in case there is information in this article that is not in the target article". I was wondering if you would reconsider this, as there is no information in the article, or the article's history, which has not been exactly copied into Emmanuel Mwambulukutu.

Regards, XabqEfdg (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, XabqEfdg,

If there is no content to merge, then the editor doing the merge will just turn the page into a Redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding removal of Yamaha Artist page

Here's the section of Yamaha's site which features their Yamaha Artists. https://www.yamaha.com/artists/ A directory of their artists can be queried on the top right of the page.

Yamaha also posts regularly about their Yamaha Artists on their Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/yamahaentertainmentgroup/ 47.28.99.22 (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

E.ON Next Wikipedia Page

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Maria Savage (talk) 10:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I hope you are well.

I am an employee at E.ON Next, the gas and electricity company based in the U.K. We are looking to create our own Wikipedia page, as we currently don't have one to direct our customers too. The most we have is a subsection on E.ON UK's page, as they are our parent business. I can see that in March 2022, you created a draft article for E.ON Next, but it appears to have been abandoned. May I ask what stage you were at with this content? Would it be better for you to delete the article so we can create a new one from scratch? Please let me know what you would best advise, and any help is appreciated.

Thank you so much, Maria.

Dear Maria, I am an independent editor of Wikipedia that happened to see your comment. The E.ON Next section at E.ON UK suffices. Liz did not create the now-deleted draft at Draft:E.ON Next; she deleted it. Ellakirbs had created it and submitted it once, early in 2021. Another editor then resubmitted it multiple times until it was not just declined (pending fixing of content issues), it was actually rejected (meaning a reviewer firmly believed that further submissions should cease because the issues are not going to get fixed). The resubmitter Jess.farm98 received many messages with explanations about what's wrong with the content, including this one: User talk:Jess.farm98 § Your submission at Articles for creation: E.ON Next (September 8) (please read at least some of it, but see the text in the green box in the linked section especially). Eventually, Jess gave up on the standalone article idea and added details about E.ON Next to the E.ON UK article, which was probably a good thing.

So with this prior experience, and seeing that the new initiative to have this article comes from someone in the company, knowing that you are unlikely to be capable of writing suitable content about your company (creating quality encyclopedic content about companies is challenging and is extremely challenging bordering on impossible when the attempt is made by a person with conflict of interest and very little experience editing Wikipedia), and analyzing the already-present content at the E.ON UK article, renewed attempts to create this article should almost certainly not happen.

What should happen is working to improve and update the coverage at the E.ON UK article involving E.ON UK in general and E.ON Next in specific. But this work should not be done by you directly, as you have a conflict of interest (which in this context is just a description of a situation, and not a judgment about a person's opinions, integrity, or good faith). Still, you may suggest changes on that article's talk page. If you decide to involve yourself with this topic, you will need to WP:DISCLOSE your conflict of interest. Sincerely—Alalch E. 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

C'mon....

[5]

You really should be removing the whole thing you know... Now we have to string search to remove these see also additions. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Headbomb,

When we delete articles, we can either leave red links or remove red links. I have chosen to remove the red links. But some articles have dozens or even hundreds of links on other articles. I can't manually check every single link when deleting hundreds of pages a day. If you would prefer, I can leave the red links. But those are the 2 options that I and other admins who focus on deletion have. It would be different if I was just deleting a dozen pages a day but it is typically between 200-300 pages every day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I would much prefer a red link that gets properly deleted, than a superficial unlinking that leaves pointless text behinds and makes cleanup more difficult. I understand that Twinkle's options might be limited, but that means Twinkle should be updated, or another better tool found (like AWB). It's a condition of WP:MEATBOT that edits made semi-automatically don't sacrifice quality for expediency. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider using User:Evad37/Xunlink instead of Twinkle for this - it handles cases like the above in a smarter way. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Rajput Mughal marriage alliances

Issue about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajput Mughal marriage alliances (2nd nomination) Liz, @Zero0000 Ratnahastin has a caste association/conflict of interest in the subject; he belongs to the Rajput caste. I'm afraid he might be encouraging his fellow editors through the backdoor to come and cast votes randomly with not actual explation. I don't see any editors here who clearly talk about cited references and then vote in favor of Delete; they are just randomly pushing Delete votes with no depth or talking seriously about the source. Instead of all this Ratnahastin encouraged editors to come maybe that's why such editors started allegations against the creator? Who might be Sock or might not be sock. And that's why Ratnahastin has been trying to push his own association-based agenda here for the last two weeks. I don't believe in personal attacks or fallacious allegations, but the way he is manipulating, deleting, and arguing with everyone with toxic behavior clearly shows his caste association/conflict of interest. Kindly count every vote before any conclusion, and don't get manipulated by him. I just make sure to raise my concern Infront of you. 2404:3100:18A6:C6A3:1:0:9AF:DFA4 (talk) 04:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Anti-Bengali sentiment

Hi, I saw you moved the page Discrimination against Bengalis in India into Anti-Bengali sentiment. However, if you follow the history, the original title was Discrimination against Bengalis in India before someone changed the original title to Anti-Bengali sentiment unilaterally. I later reverted the unilateral move per WP:RMUM before you removed again. Please also note that the same user also changed the title of the AfD too, which may have led you to mistakenly assume Anti-Bengali sentiment was the original title. Shouldn't the article be moved to the actual original title - Discrimination against Bengalis in India, since it was changed without any discussion? Shubhrojeet (talk) 09:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You need to move on. Many people on AfD supported the page move while you are alone with opposing it. You can start a request per WP:RM to move it if you are really serious about it. Ratnahastin (talk) 12:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Special:contributions/188.253.71.44

Hi Liz, I'm a bit confused. You've reverted without explanation the IP on three different articles they tagged as WP:A7. They re-added the tags, which is against policy. I reverted them for the policy violation and also blocked them for disruption. But it appeared to me that the tags had some merit. Why did you revert them in the first place?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bbb23,

To tell you the truth, I don't recall the exact reason I reverted those taggings. With CSD A7s, sometimes I will move the article to Draft space but I don't generally remove a CSD tag unless I think the deletion request has no merit. With this IP editor, I believe I was looking into their edits after seeing their comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nima Hashemi.

Patrolling CSD categories and AFDs, I have run into a few IP accounts and registered accounts who specifically seek to delete articles on Iranian people and I might have assumed this was one of them. I haven't run into this with articles on people of other nationalities, just Iranian. Most of the accounts seeking article deletion originate in Iran so I've wondered if the requests are political in nature but I don't know enough about the culture to be sure about that. But thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll try to leave an edit summary and not just revert in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect instead of Delete

Greetings. The decision in the AfD about the "Ryland Adams" article was to Delete it. Yet, GeekInParadise arbitrarily went on to create a Redirect page to "Shane Dawson". However, a Delete decision is not the same as a Redirect (or a Merge) decision. As the admin who decided on the AfD, shouldn't you take it down? -The Gnome (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) A redirect would not be considered substantially identical to an article, so unless there was some other CSD it met I'm not sure there's anything Liz can do about it acting in the capacity of an individual admin. I would suggest nominating it for RfD if you believe the redirect is inappropriate The Gnome (unless it meets another CSD of course). Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I'm simply going by established practice. If the proposal was for a Redirect or the decision for a Redirect then I wouldn't be here. But I believe exactitude is what holds together this project - a truly majestic project, as it happens, and in more ways than one. We simply cannot be ignoring nor violating the rules we ourselves set down! A Delete is entirely different from a Merge or a Redirect. Of course, we could change the way an AfD is conducted (i.e. "Hey, folks, a Delete decision also means you can create a Redirect or Merge page to a target article of your discretion"). -The Gnome (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI, you and I appear to have been wrong

See Wikipedia talk:Changing username#Redirect from old user talk page about the old user talk page we didn't think could be deleted. What Xaosflux says there makes sense, so I did it. The odds of either one of us running into this again are near zero, but I thought you'd like to know. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Antelope Lake Park

This subject is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and should not have been deleted. Similarly, elected pfficials holding statewide office are considered notable. Please stop deleting notable subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FloridaArmy,

It was an expired draft. We generally don't look at the content of the draft, just at the edit history to see when it was edited last by a human editor.

If you want to preserve your work without having to worry about CSD G13s, keep your drafts in your User space and don't tag it with any AFC tags and then SDZeroBot won't list it as a page that should be deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Everyone is welcome to work on drafts. It's troubling that you aren't considering content. Why would we delete drafts on notable subjects? How does that improve Wikipedia? FloridaArmy (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @FloridaArmy, G13 6 month deletion applies to all drafts, regardless of notability. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 20:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are we deleting drafts on notable subjects? How does this improve Wikipedia? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FloridaArmy,

We are not purposely deleting articles on notable subjects. We are following WP:G13 and this policy doesn't say anything about evaluating expiring drafts based on their perceived quality or merit.

At times, as an individual editor, I have delayed deleting a very well-written draft it if looks main space ready. But, inevitably, the draft creators do not return to work on the draft and it just becomes eligible for CSD G13 six months later. I know there are several editors who postpone deleting your draft articles as actions of an individual editor or admin but that is the exception rather than the rule or policy. You have several editors looking out for you but I only know one other draft creator who receives that treatment and that is Thriley.

I, on the other hand, see some of your drafts from 2022, 2021 and even 2020 that keep getting their deletion postponed and assume you have forgotten about them. At times, I think a CSD G13 deletion can remind an editor that they have unfinished drafts out there that they started and forgot about. By going to WP:REFUND (or not going), they are reminded of these drafts and they can decide whether they want to spend the time polishing them up and submitting them to AFC. So, I think CSD G13 can serve a positive purpose. But I know there are others who disagree with that position. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalking) I do think something would be gained if admins, when deleting a draft, could look at it and see if it would indeed pass if someone requested a move to mainspace. If nothing else, if an editor passes away or otherwise can't finish a draft, it'd be a shame to let it disappear. I'm not sure if this would be a policy change or just something up to the individual admin's discretion. (knowing nothing about this specific example, I'm just speaking generally) Tduk (talk) 00:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Tduk, two points, not to be a bureaucratic wonk about this but every suggestions like this has to be able to work scaled up. It would be different if we were talking about 10 or 20 expiring drafts each day. But we generally have between 150-200+/day and it used to be even more (300-400/day) a couple of years ago. How to evaluate each one of those and what standards are we using? Do the article subjects meet GNG? Then 99.9% of them would fail. We have a tag for "promising drafts" but that is really in the eye of the beholder. Secondly, I use to postpone deleting a lot of drafts that I thought were interesting or promising. We are probably talking about 100 drafts over the past four years. Very, very, very few of the editors who created them ever returned to work on them. Unfortunately, what I see is that if AFC declins a draft, instead of polishing it up and fixing problems, most new editors quit and do not return to work on them. That's tragic and I don't know what we can do about it but if they don't succeed at first, few new editors will try, try again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and I've heard these arguments regarding similar issues on wikimedia commons - that there simply aren't enough people doing the work that needs to be done for upkeep for them to all put in the due diligence that the encyclopedia deserves; I don't have any answers for it _but_ I think we should be asking ourselves if we can do anything differently, over and over again, because things like this don't look good to people looking in from the outside, who, if they had a different impression, might have more faith in the project and be the new editors that we need. Does that make any sense? Tduk (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

An aside, maybe a lot of the work with deleting drafts can be done by non-admins; the deletion itself can be admins, but maybe more formal non-admin review process for drafts (and moving no namespace) wouldn't be the worst idea; or does anything like this exist and I don't know about it? A draft orphan project maybe, where drafts that are five months old can get a fresh set of eyeballs. If we don't have anything like that currently I'd be happy to float the idea in person at the next meet-up I end up at where it's appropriate. Tduk (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:AFC has 3186 pending drafts that non-admins can get involved with to look at and potentially move to mainspace. I don't see where the manpower might come from for a second draft review process. G13s can be undeleted upon request though. CMD (talk) 02:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that typically people don't get involved unless it's requested (i.e. submit); are there other circumstances? Tduk (talk) 03:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

These are the submissions, which, unless I'm not understand, are not what I was talking about - this is a different problem. Unless you're saying that since this isn't happening, then nothing else would happen either. Is that what you're getting at? Tduk (talk) 03:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much. All things equal the submitted ones are going to be the most likely to succeed, and even they are backlogged. CMD (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Userpage redirects

Hi Liz, I noticed the deletion of User talk:MemeGod27. Is there a reason it does not redirect to the current username? There is a GAN currently open under this username, and it now shows the talkpage as a redlink instead of sending the user where they want to go. Best, CMD (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CMD,

It was a broken redirect. The page it pointed to was deleted. If you know of an alternative target page, feel free to recreate it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Both presumably are user talk pages. I am not an admin, so I am not familiar with the whose and whys of deletion, but I can't see why both don't point to User talk:Sir MemeGod. CMD (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

A man, a plan, a canal: random procedural question

Hope you are well. You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalloor as delete, with a close note saying anyone should feel free to recreate it as a redirect -- I'm undeleting it to do that but I don't know if this is the preferred thing to do. At any rate, I am letting you know here in case it's not. jp×g🗯️ 07:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JPxG,

Typically when I write that in a closure, I mean that editors should feel free to create a redirect from the the deleted page, not that the article should be restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Liz, could you please also address the issue I raised above, about the Delete decision on the Ryland Adams article? Thanks in advance. -The Gnome (talk) 08:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:SNCF Class BB 1500

Hi, could I please trouble you for a copy of this (paste it to my talk:, email it, anything is fine). It's an article we should have, it's just there's a shortage so far of English language sources to demonstrate this, hence the draft expiring.

Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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How to list a discussion into a project

Hello Liz,

If I want to reference the following Ecuadorian FoP in the new law discussion into the Ecuador Project page, how would I go about doing this? HarveyPrototype (talk) 02:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review Support on Hamis Kiggundu

Hello User:Liz,

Good day to you. Please I need your help here, there is this admin that I think is biased and he is not being fair with what he is doing on this article: Hamis Kiggundu. He first reverted changes for over 3 years on the page and he reverted the changes I made yestarday on the same giving the same reason which is not true. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Micheal Kaluba: (talk page watcher) Your edits were perceived as promotional/blanking. And the editor who reverted it was not an admin. Rollbackers and admins aren't the same thing. Courtesy ping: Davey2010: so you're aware. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Micheal Kaluba, Please stop WP:FORUMSHOPPING - You posted at WP:COIN so there's no need to bother admins and editors with your nonsense. –Davey2010^Talk 16:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Davey2010 What is really your problem?? for me to ask another reviewer to review reverted edits isn't nonsense and mind you I didn't ping you in that text and you are not the only editor who had worked on that article so why are you guilty? Please style up! Micheal Kaluba (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

My problem is you, your paid promotional editing to that article and your FORUMSHOPPING. You're the only person that cares so deeply over this article which speaks volumes. Please exit Wikipedia and find a real job that doesn't involve being paid to edit an article!. –Davey2010^Talk 17:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie The question is were the edits promotional/blanking or they were perceived to be? These are two different things. Anyways I rest my case!. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 16:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Stop pinging me. @Davey2010 if you take this to AFD, please give me a courtesy ping. Thanks! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 19:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Or3omimi 5

Dear Mrs. @Liz, please delete user page such as User:Or3omimi 5 because CSD G5. Thanks. 36.78.197.242 (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)  Already done by Explicit. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 15:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Opinion on proposed policy

@Liz: I realize this is a long shot (I have never seen a talk page with so many sections), but if you have a moment and are interested in giving feedback on my brainstorm for a proposed policy.. it would be an honor!

"Don’t be a drama mama” .. but sometimes it’s so fun to be a drama mama. Haha.

Kindly,

9t5 (talk) 22:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@9t5 (talk page watcher) Not Liz, but looks good so far! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 22:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 9t5,

I have seen User talk pages with over 400+ discussion threads so I don't think I'm that bad but I do need to do some more archiving this week. This page gets a lot of traffic for some reason despite the notice at the top of the page saying I won't be checking it that frequently. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I’m convinced you’re omnipresent! I’ll find myself in some long-forgotten, low traffic area of Wikipedia and still up pops Liz. It’s like at the end of that Scarlett Johansson movie, Lucy. I AM EVERYWHERE. I mean this as a compliment! I word things strange sometimes. 9t5 (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie Thank you for the feedback! It’s truly appreciated :) 9t5 (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Seeds of Hope Publishers Deletion (Second Draft)

Hello, my apologies but during May 29th I submitted a topic about the article "Seeds of Hope Publishing" being deleted. I recieved a response stating a conflict of interest regarding the matter was needed, to which I listed myself of a recent nonbiased student volunteer from Baylor University. Is the decision to reverse the deletion of the article, or at least allow us to scan the info before being fully deleted, still under consideration? If the former is considered, I can promise we can provide edits to any problems the article carried that permited removal. Again, we apologize for responding about this a second time, but any replies back would be greatly appreciated,

If you require more info about my Conflict of interest read here: The non-profit organization was willing to task people with media tasks, such as helping to create new/updated articles of current events, update the website, etc. My task was delegated from Ms.Cook herself, and she needed someone to help update the Wikipedia article with new material (or stuff she forgot to include such as pictures and such), while she was busy volunteering with other projects from the organization of course. If by chance you're worried in regards to bias, I can assure you that I'm fairly new to the Seeds of Hope itself, hence had no experience with the events listed in the article, and was mainly given the task on account of wanting to learn the wikipedia article format.

Devangae200 (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Devangae200 You've asked me and countless other people and got countless responses. Please stop forumshopping. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 22:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be forumposting, but what is the response then? Could you please reiterate the decision? Devangae200 (talk) 23:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Please stop asking the admin who closed an XFD discussion to undelete it. The page was deleted with consensus and cannot be re-instated by a single person. It appears that you are WP:NOTHERE, but I'll let an admin block you if that's the case. Please stop wasting others' time. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I figured this was an administrator and the decision could be reversed by asking, thank you for the info and apologies for bothering you. Devangae200 (talk) 23:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Please try to make sure you aren't WP:NOTHERE, otherwise an admin may block you. Just a tip. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Could I get your input?

I placed a G11 tag on PolyAnalytik‎. I pinged you to that discussion but from your other talk page comments, you might not have seen it. Anyway, I would like your input since the author of that article is working in good faith to make it less promotional. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for Undeletion of page Aamir Tameem

hello, I would like to request for undeletion of the page Aamir Tameem which was deleted sometime ago. the page is of an Indian actor who has been cited in 3 more wikipedia pages of the films. Request you to kindly consider this request.

1. Prayanam (2009 film) 2.Katha (2009 film) 3.Katha Screenplay Darsakatvam Appalaraju here are some YouTube links of the actor

1.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L5JVw7PwBWA?app=desktop Aza.azee (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Query "title" word error

Hi Liz, at phab ticket T365374 I saw your commment about "Unknown column 'pl_title' in 'field list'". Recently, I had similar issue (not exactly same error), & needed Query change here. Thought to share as this may also help you. Full details are here. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JoeNMLC,

The Quarry query is here if it would help to look at it. All of the queries I use were created by other editors and I'm just the beneficiary. But thanks for the advice. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, Same with me-clueless how all the works, just know enough to change Category names to select different data to query. Usually I post at WP:VPT where there are helpful experts. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, Earlier today, I posted here a "before" and "after" of how my query got fixed. For yours, part of the solution may be changing that "pl_title" to "lt_title". Again, I'm just guessing. But it could be a clue. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

G13?

I noticed you deleted Draft:Catalina Gnoriega and Draft:Erin Mickelberry as G13, but I thought I had just edited them about 30 minutes prior to the deletion? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BeanieFan11,

You are correct and I have restored them. This sometimes happens but it still pretty rare. Because I deal with so many G13s throughout the day, I'll open a window with an hour's or two hour's worth of expiring drafts, one open in each tab, and when it is time to delete them, I do so. I hope you can understand how unusual it is for a draft to go six months without a single edit and then suddenly be edited right before it is due to expire. But I'll be more careful and refresh the screen so this doesn't happen again. And maybe you can get to these drafts a little earlier? Sorry for the inconvience, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I had found them after looking at User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon sorting, a list which I previously did not know existed. I'll try to get to them a little earlier next time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Order-State of Burgundy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order-State_of_Burgundy

Why was this deleted? I spent hours trying to find this article again only for me to find out that it deleted. Why? Can you please "un-delete" it if you can do so? Ironzombie39 (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible socking at AFD

Liz, sorry to ping you but I don't know what to do. The AFD discussion for Matthew Brown is getting some really odd replies which may well be socks, or at least solicited. All of the replies show a strong lack of experience with WP, some are their very first edits. Can you take a look and let me know if there's anything I can do? Thanks, Lamona (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) - I've added {{notavote}} to the AFD. Experienced AFD closers will weight the !votes for single purpose account accordingly. If you believe there is socking going on, then you can open an WP:SPI case. -- Whpq (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Note - Never mind about any SPI as Bbb23 has protected the AFD due to socking. -- Whpq (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

That was mainly because of the various IPs in the same range posting there. Dunno about the named accounts, although I find FourDoorsOneExit's long Keep suspicious on its face, especially in light of their comment "I...am familiar with AfD as well as COI". Why would a brand new user be familiar with either?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Closure for an AFD nomination

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of preserved Boeing aircraft has a lot of votes for keep. So I am requesting that you please close the AFD as a keep.

Thanks, and happy editing. Airbus A320-100 (talk) 04:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Airbus A320-100 This AfD was relisted about 3 days ago; it will be closed in about 4 days, usually 7 days from the previous relist :). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Cocobb8, we often close relisted AFDs "early" if the consensus is clear before the 7 day period is up. But I don't generally close AFDs on demand. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that's great to know :). Thanks for the info, Liz! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

User replaces file without rational reason - deterioration

Hi @Liz, I'm reaching out to you because you're obviously an experienced user with elevated rights. This file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UEFA_Euro_2024_Logo.svg was simply overwritten with another version that contains obvious graphical errors. This probably also ensured that bots marked the file. Unfortunately, this doesn't allow me to undo the other user's edit. Maybe you can help. Best regards Bildersindtoll (talk) 12:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bildersindtoll,

I'd like to help you but I don't work much with Files or images. I suggest you ask at the Teahouse or an admin who works more with files like Explicit or Fastily. If you go to WP:FFD and look at the participating editors, you can find more admins and non-admins who'd know how to make the adjustments. Have you tried approaching the editor who made the change you disagee with? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Edits on Primary line constants and Reflections of signals on conducting lines

Hi. Sorry to hear about your stress.

You commented out some image files on these articles. I more or less understand why. They were keep local files that should have been on Wikimedia commons. The images are sort of essential to the article. How can I fix this?

I have been around for a while, but there is a whole bunch of the background machinery that I don't understand. Constant314 (talk) 21:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Skymont & Skymont (microarchitecture)

It's never been official and the pages exist only as a confirmation of the rumor.

Meanwhile Intel has recently released the real Skymont core which has nothing to do with Cannon Lake:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21425/intel-lunar-lake-architecture-deep-dive-lion-cove-xe2-and-npu4/3

> Intel also opts for their Skymont E-cores, which are designed more for efficiency while maintaining a solid level of performance at a lower power envelope.

> The Skymont cores feature a significantly broader decode architecture, with a 9-wide decode stage that includes 50% more decode clusters than previous generations. This is supported by a larger micro-op queue, which now holds 96 entries compared to 64 in the previous Crestmont E-Cores.

So, now these disambiguation pages are completely wrong.

And lastly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_CPU_microarchitectures includes 2024, Skymont which again leads to the wrong page.

I'm not an expert in how WP works but I won't submit anything to anywhere. Do as you please. Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 11:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 15 § X by ethnic or national origin

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 15 § X by ethnic or national origin on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Closing a user talk discussion

Hi @Liz, I see there is a bit of a pile-on occurring at User talk:Number 57. Would it be appropriate for me to close the discussion and provide options to proceed for the editors? Or would that be not welcome? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 14:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

User:113 Med Regt

Hi, you reverted my tagging of this LTA's creations under G5. I immediately retagged them under U5. Does the wording of G5 require you to wait until this guy gets blocked as a duck on solely behavioral evidence? Air on White (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Air on White,

We don't delete pages because an editor has a suspicion that another editor is a sockpuppet of a blocked editor evading a block. At least I don't. I want to see that the page creator is blocked as a sockpuppet of a now blocked editor and that the article/draft/page was created when the sockmaster was already blocked. CSD G5s are more complicated than just tagging pages created by a sockpuppet. Look over WP:CSD under G5 for more details. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

832LT represents a well-documented, massive meatpuppetry campaign. I don't see a point in keeping their promotional drafts for the sake of process. This only helps the LTA's goal of promotion, which at this point they must realize is bad-faith, making it also vandalism. Air on White (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Agastya: Chapter 1

Hello, you declined G5 on Agastya: Chapter 1 on the reasonable grounds that "sockmaster was not evading a block when this was written plus there are contributions for other editors". But that article was created by sock User:RoshanaRai, account created in March 2024, and master User:RAJAKC was blocked in July 2023. Also, the contributions from other editors to the article were quite minimal. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Original research warnings

Hello Liz; I hope you are doing well. You recently replaced a warning I posted in User talk:Kosta vreto with a more lenient one. You also mentioned that I posted my warning in June instead of May, in contrast to the heading that I chose (edit summary). I would just like to clarify that the reason I referred to "May 2024" was because my warning concerned the user's contributions during the month of May (late May to be precise), which I did explain in my edit summary. Furthermore, I don't think my warning was severe, considering that this user's entire mainspace activity since they began, violates WP:OR, and they had already received similar warnings back in March and April 2024. Anyway, no worries; I just wanted to provide some clarification. Demetrios1993 (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Dear Liz, I have filled the categories that i created which were nominated by you for speedy deletion yesterday. Since I am the creator, not able to remove banners. Göycen (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Göycen,

CSD C1 is an exception to this rule (it should say this on the tag) but I will untag any categories that are no longer empty. Thank you for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Godfrey Nyakana

Hi Liz,

You closed this AFD discussion as Keep when there is no consensus. Per my rationale, I saw your edit summary/closure summary thought I withdrawn the nomination. No! I corrected skater or thereabout to boxer and nothing else. Please reconsider. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

2018 Garland mayoral special election (repost)

Can you restore this so that it can be merged to the appropriate article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC).

Deleting category

Hello, I made a typo when I created the category page Category:Ukrainian football clubs 2024-25 season, there is already an existing correct category. What tag can I add for the incorrect category to be deleted? Thank you. Ceriy (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Misdirected Thanks Redirected

Hi Liz -- thanks for being the admin at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. S. Narayan Reddy -- I accidentally thanked the wrong person (the category adder) when I should have tagged and thanked you. So, Thank you! -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Dispute quelling request

I've seen you weigh in gently and eloquently neutrally in some prior discussion, so I thought I'd mention that there seems to be some conflict brewing between users Amigao and CapnPhantasm over on the Article for deletion discussion for Registered Agents Inc.. Do you think you could weigh-in with a request for peace? WmLawson (talk) 03:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Dear Liz, I would like to request for undeletion of the page Swirl and Tumble Measurement which was deleted sometime ago. Could you please move it to my user namespace?

user:TumbleSwirl/Lemma

Thanks, Claudia

TumbleSwirl (talk) 10:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @TumbleSwirl: As this was deleted under G12 as a copyright violation, it can not be restored. Please read and understand the information in those links. By your username, I believe you probably also have a conflict of interest that you need to declare. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

And I note that Liz had already provided you this information back when the draft was deleted. I suggest you move on to another topic. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that Liz provided me this information. And I replied to her message explaining the reason why I did what I did trying to find a solution. Since I haven't got an answer (at least I do not see one) I try finding a solution with the help of a mentor. And he asked me to ask Liz to move my article to my user namespace. And for some reason I do not want to move on to another topic. I would like to find a solution.

I choose my username because I had no better idea. If by conflict of interest you mean that I have to disclose that I am paid by my employer for my contributions to Wikipedia - I already did that when I started Wikipedia. TumbleSwirl (talk) 08:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Jeriq

Hello Liz. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Jeriq, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a blatant promo article. Will fix it. Thank you. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Manx_Aviation_and_Military_Museum

Hi Liz, I was just about to close it as moot. AfD isn't really a suitable venue for a proposed merger discussion, seeing as even the nom didn't propose deletion. Do you see any reason to keep it open? Owen× ☎ 21:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, I went ahead and closed it. Owen× ☎ 12:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

First edit

Apollogetticax (talk) 03:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Apollogetticax, it seems like so long ago! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Historyday01--something goofy is going on, and I sincerely hope it's not the article author following your relist directions in such a transparent way, which is what it looks like. Jclemens (talk) 17:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

... and the editor was blocked and the outcome is pretty clear so... nevermind. Jclemens (talk) 07:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thank you, The Herald (Benison). Had some bad news last night so it's nice to have something, even as small as a 1st edit, to celebrate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:AI Era and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AI era

Was this draftified after the AfD or is the draft dissimilar enough that G4 wouldn't be valid? I never saw the original before it was deleted, and wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Also all talkpages should include Kittehmaster. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

About Foolio and so on

@Liz, Marbe166, Arbeiten8, TheodorTheTheo, Kelisi, and Qwerfjkl: I disagree with you about this. I could written "with greatest respect, I disagree with you about this", but as far as I can see, all of our interactions have been with with mutual respect. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, I think it's the silliest REDIRECT I've ever come across. What use is it? Kelisi (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Am I missing something here? Why was I pinged? — Qwerfjkltalk 15:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Unexplained decline of CSD

Why did you decline CSD at TimedText:Avicii - Wake Me Up.ogg.vi.srt and several other pages? G8 explicitly includes TimedText pages without associated files. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2019 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights

Can you please elaborate on the merge here? I think the merge nomination was clearly flawed. SportingFlyer T·C 21:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONSENSE vs WP:N

Hello Liz - since you regularly closed several AFDs, so I wanted to ask your opinion. Generally speaking, do we tend to keep BLP based on WP:COMMONSENSE? I mean between WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:N, which holds greater precedence? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion which is correct, but I need some help

Sorry if its late for you, it is for me, but anyways, you proposed speedy deletion to my Category:Twin canopy aircraft category because it was empty, I do have aircraft that fit this category but I don't know why its not letting my enter them: Douglas XB-43, Douglas C-74, Mil Mi-24, and Douglas XB-42. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I found out how to link it, category might be not written right to category standards, so if you could help out on that, that would be greatly appreciated. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I found out how to link it, category might be not written right to category standards, so if you could help out on that, that would be greatly appreciated. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Really not trying to spam peoples talk pages but, I have since added all 4 aircraft A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @A-37Dragonfly: I have rm'd the speedy tag and added the category to a higher-level category. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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No rush, and no answers needed. Star Mississippi 15:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Shirdi Sai Baba movement

Can we undelete Shirdi Sai Baba movement (deleted as PROD). It is a notable subject, generally called "Sai Baba movement". Wikipedia calls it Shirdi Sai Baba movement to differentiate from Sathya Sai Baba movement (which is also sometimes called Sai Baba movement). Some references: https://books.google.co.in/books?id=TNohSoS0CzUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Sai+Baba+movement%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWqc6eqIGHAxVYVPUHHUPRMlwQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Sai%20Baba%20movement%22&f=false https://books.google.co.in/books?id=F8TAAAAACAAJ&dq=%22Sai+Baba+movement%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&redir_esc=yhttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=rAT1DwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Sai+Baba+movement%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikg7OnqYGHAxVzja8BHQMqCpM4ChDoAXoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=%22Sai%20Baba%20movement%22&f=false Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Redtigerxyz,

PROD'd articles can be restored upon request so I have restored Shirdi Sai Baba movement. You don't need to tell me about sources but it would help if you improved the article because it very well may be tagged for an AFD discussion now. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey! So sorry.

You may not even see it, but I wanted to get ahead and apologize for fat-fingering the rollback link here! Obviously not my intention, and I'm sorry! (I though, can't find the AFD you mentioned. Can you point me in the correct direction?) — Fourthords | =Λ= | 04:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, fourthords,

No problem with the rollback, that happens to me sometimes when I try to edit on my phone, try to look at a previous edit and hit "rollback" or "undo" instead.

I'm not surprised that you didn't see the AFD, it was a long time ago (2006). It's buried in the page history but we need to check before deleting PRODs. This article was included in a bundled nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aiden Ford.I hope this answers your query. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding, and much thanks for finding that page—I'd checked the talk page and definitely didn't do the thorough diligence you did. Cheers! — Fourthords | =Λ= | 04:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)