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GAN count

It looks like part of the problem is Forge Park/495 station, which per this is credited to you as a GA, probably because of this edit. ChristieBot's database has this recorded correctly, but at the moment I use SDZeroBot's numbers for the GA counts. (That leads to a couple of other oddities, since SDZeroBot deletes GAs from the count if they are delisted or promoted to FA.) I think that explains what you're seeing; or are you saying that the sort order is not correctly implemented even if that GA were in fact yours? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Re-reading the algorithm, looks like the sort order is correct after all. Was a bit complicated but I get it now. Would be nice if you can set my GA count to 0 so I'm a bit higher up in the list, but if it's too much trouble, I understand. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Pinging SD0001 who runs that bot; they may be able to reset it. SD0001, the nominator should be Pi.1415926535. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done [1] For the record, it would have correctly attributed if |nominator= had a simple user page link instead of {{u}} template. – SD0001 (talk) 16:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Novem Linguae, the GAN listing has auto-updated and your GAN is now where it should be. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Red team

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Red team you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of FormalDude -- FormalDude (talk) 10:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

My reversion on Fork bomb

Hi, sorry I reverted your edit in error. I had multiple tabs open following the editor who was spamming several articles, and reverted that dif in error. Equine-man (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Equine-man. No problem at all. You can still revert it if you want because it's uncited. But I think it'd be OK to leave as well. I did some googling and it's factually correct. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

NovemBot: Update list of users who have permissions failure - Fixed

NovemBot's task "Update list of users who have permissions" failed to run per the configuration specified at Wikipedia:Bot activity monitor/Configurations. Detected only 0 edits in the last 5 days, whereas at least 1 was expected. If/when the issue is fixed, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. When that is done, this notice will be reposted if the bot task is still broken or is re-broken. If your bot is behaving as expected, then you may want to modify the task configuration instead. Or to unsubscribe from bot failure notifications, remove the |notify= parameter from the {{/task}} template. Thanks! – SDZeroBot (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Caused by phab:T337446. Should clear up when that is fixed. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Red team

The article Red team you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Red team for comments about the article, and Talk:Red team/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of FormalDude -- FormalDude (talk) 15:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

article review

Novem Linguae , you commented [2] in regards to Talk:COVID-19 pandemic/GA4... I've answered about 224 comments, however Shibbolethink stopped editing here [3] (actually he doesn't seem to have edited anywhere) 3 days ago and counting. I left him a message [4] and sent an email, however I haven't gotten a response to either. It seems he may have finished the review or be very close to it, I'd appreciate any help (can you please finish the review I noticed your familiar with the process[5]), thank you, Ozzie Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey there. I think he commented that he is in the middle of moving, so maybe he got busy with that. The linked article has 600 citations, which is quite a massive article. I'm not sure I can commit to reviewing that one yet. I think the best case scenario would be that Shibbolethink comes back and finishes the review. Hopefully that happens in the next few days. Sorry I couldn't commit to reviewing this one, and I hope this advice helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

yes, I just noticed 'somebody' has returned , sorry for post, and thank you,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Red team

On 10 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Red team, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that red teams are used to test airport security? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Red team. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Red team), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

important

Hello dear sir , Iam Parwiz ahmadi , You have been delated a article (United states of khorasan) . at that time It had not enough references. but now I find several strong references for this article. such as the ( https://sangar.info/en/i/what-is-the-united-states-of-khorasan-special-interview)

please let me to arrange it .

I am grateful for your assistance Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 19:38, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey there. In regards to the page United states of khorasan, I think my involvement with that page is I moved it to a better title. It was deleted CSD A7 by a different user, Bbb23. You may want to contact them directly to discuss your options. Also, please be careful using interviews for sourcing, as they do not usually pass WP:GNG. Hope that helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Adminship + Userpage

Hey! I just saw your RFA and wanted to wish you good luck! I can only imagine how stressful it must be, but you seem to be doing pretty well 🤞. You may want to update your goals on your userpage about getting a good article. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! The questions are a little stressful, but I am also very humbled by all the supports. I updated my userpage just now with your suggested change. See you around :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

See you around and once again good luck! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Advertising

I was looking through the New Pages Feed this morning to find some articles with obvious issues and found this article. It is pretty clearly biased toward the subject though I am unsure if it is notable. I've found a few (seemingly independent) news sources (other results were found on Google) though all of them I have found are suspiciously promotional. Should the page be draftified or G11'd? ~UN6892 ^t_c 14:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I realize the minute I sent that, a newbie nominated it for speedy deletion via A7, though I find the fact that the subject worked on Imran Khan's documentary to be a credible claim of significance (It was backed up by the sources I read). ~UN6892 ^t_c 15:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Looks like the admin deleted it for both A7 and G11. I didn't get to see it before it was deleted so I can't offer too much of an opinion on it. I'm glad that the situation appears to be resolved though. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I just looked at the (now deleted) article and G11 seems reasonable. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Precious

red team

Thank you for quality articles such as Red team, News Media Bargaining Code and 2010 transatlantic aircraft bomb plot, for coordinating new page patrol and reviewing articles for creation, for your helpful NovemBot, for volunteering to do dirtier work, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2860 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt. Thank you so much for this. I appreciate your kind words. I look forward to seeing you around the encyclopedia. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help at the Hackathon!

Thank you for volunteering for various roles at the Wikimedia Hackathon 2023 in Athens, Greece! Here is a small thank you token for your help. Thank you for being AWESOME; we look forward to your help in future events 🙏

Thank you token!

Srishti (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to help out at the help desk and as a session coordinator. Hopefully see you at the next one :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

A baton for you!

	A baton for you!
	Congratulations on becoming Wikipedia's newest administrator! I am pleased to present the traditional baton to you. I'm sure you'll find your way around the tools soon, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask! — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 21:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

An early congrats

Congratulations on adminship. Also I sent the newsletter and it sent fine, do you want me to do any other NPP coordination tasks, as I'm more than happy to do some other stuff. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 17:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Zippybonzo. Awesome, thanks for getting that sent out. I do have a small piece of feedback for you in the edit summary here. No big deal though.

If you want, can you also copy paste the draft newsletter into Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Newsletters since 2020? Then you can cut out most of the body text from the draft newsletter page, saving only what we'll need for the next newsletter. Finally, would you be willing to cut and paste all the newsletter stuff off the coordination page onto its own subpage? And then add /Newsletter to the NPP page tabs/header?

It sounds like you, @Dr vulpes, @Hey man im josh, and possibly some others are interested in NPP coordination tasks. I have a couple ideas listed at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Potential tasks for new coordinators, but I'm sure we can think of more. Can you do me a favor and start a talk page section called "NPP coordinator task ideas" or something on WT:NPPC? If we've got willing and motivated folks, we should definitely brainstorm and find things for y'all to do and ways to improve NPP :)

Thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I’ll get round to some of them later today and tomorrow, thanks for the feedback, I’ll do some brainstorming as well. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 18:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Novem, thank you for thinking of me, but I'm actually no longer interested in coordinating. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for letting me know. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:54, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Wanted to give a ditto on the bit bid. Thank you very much for putting yourself through that, because the project definitely needs more good admins! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 19:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations...

...on your successful RfA! Good luck with your new tools. PS: Sorry for messing up your user rights log... usually I'm afraid of accidentally setting the bureaucrat flag and having to go grovel to a steward to fix that, but I guess now this happened. Maxim (talk) 20:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Haha. No worries. Thanks for closing the RFA so quickly. That was pretty much instant :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

+1, congratulations! Tails Wx 20:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

++1 Congratulations and good luck! Mccapra (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

• Well-deserved. Good luck, I know you'll do well.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congrats! VickKiang (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulations you're a good Wikipedian and are going to be a great admin. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 22:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• About Damn Time! ––FormalDude (talk) 22:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulations on your RFA -- Whpq (talk) 23:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulations from someone who has been an admin for 18 years, 308 days --rogerd (talk) 03:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulations and best wishes. Donner60 (talk) 06:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congrats. That was all very SNOW, wasn't it? :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congrats. Warm winter indeed. – robertsky (talk) 07:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congrats and best wishes.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulation from me too - those were some very impressive numbers. Thanks too for changing your sig - hope you didn't mind my nudge. I was only made aware of MOS:ONWHITE after my RfA, and if you look back at that you'll see that I used to use slightly more garish colours myself. As I'm getting older, my own eyesight is starting to deteriorate - nothing disastrous, but I had to started wearing reading glasses in poor light earlier this year, and it's a one-way street - so the idea of taking whatever steps we can to make it easier for folk to read text is getting ever closer to my heart! Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Well done! I'm sure you'll be a great and helpful admin. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 20:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
• Congratulations! --Ferien (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

A brand new t-shirt is the way I celebrate! Congrats! TheCorvetteZR1^{(The Garage)} 22:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Congrats!

Adminship is not something taken lightly, so I commend you for (nearly) unanimously passing your RfA. I've heard that it isn't an easy thing to be an admin either, but I'm sure you'll get used to it quickly. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations NL! You deserve it, and I know you'll be a good broom. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 18:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Congrats, and the advice

Congratulations on your successful RFA! Carrying on a tradition, allow me to impart the words of wisdom I received from KrakatoaKatie after my RFA passed almost eight long, exhausting, and questionable years ago:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. (I got nothing here. It's inevitable.) Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. Without exception, you will pick the wrong one to do. (See #5.) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. (You'll attract many more of those now, because mop. They must like to drink the dirty water in the bucket.) Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block, because really, what else is there to live for? Remember that when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. It will not be a personal attack because we are admins and, therefore, we are all rouge anyway. Finally, remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 19:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales, because if it did, it would be much, much better. All rights released under GFDL.

Speedy delition required

Barwar (caste) is an article which is all about that clan of Rajputs, on which you commented recently. It is eligible for speedy delition as someone mistakenly created it. They must be unaware of the fact that an article already exists for the same topic.-Admantine123 (talk) 09:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey there @Admantine123. I !voted in the AFD so I am not sure if that makes me WP:INVOLVED on this topic or not. I think I'll leave it in the queue for another admin to be safe. By the way, I think WP:BLAR might also be good option here. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank you!!. DANGGIAO No risk, no life. No malice, no fear 10:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Randy-in-the-boise

Among those in support, Krimuk2.0 has got 11 FAs, 28 FLs, and 9 GAs all on films, mostly from Bollywood. Shshshsh has 3 FAs and 3 GAs, last I checked, on films, mostly from Bollywood. Kailash29792 had 6 FAs and about a dozen GAs, last I checked, on Indian films. DaxServer is among the longest-standing editors in Indian topics. I am not describing my own contributions but you can take a look at my u/p.

So, no. We are not asking to whitelist a "puff-site", and use of such words only demonstrate a failure to understand the situation before wading in. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The personal attacks that you declined to strike[6][7] severely distract from your argument there. I don't know how you can reconcile comments like You are indeed horribly wrong, as is (regrettably) often the case — 1, 2, etc. and Okay - I could not care less about your support with our no personal attacks policy. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I will strike the latter; AGF. The former, not. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:50, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64

Welcome to adminning SPI. For the record, Tony’s advice goes double when dealing with socks. There’s almost no reason to ever block a single IPv6 address. Courcelles (talk) 18:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Courcelles. Howdy. Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to calibrate for future blocks. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

If you look at User:Courcelles/twinkleoptions.js, you can see how to force Twinkle to do this for you! Courcelles (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Congrats on your recent election, and great use of first block -- the blockee is a real piece of work. --JBL (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Hi again Novem. I believe I saw you in the page history of Puneet Superstar so I thought I'd ask you about the article's notability due to your work with NPP. I PRODded the article and, while it has been improved since then, some of the sourcing provided seems a bit unreliable and (IMO) doesn't constitute anything other than run of the mill coverage. The PROD has been contested, so I thought I'd ask for help on this case before I consider taking my arguements to AfD. I am not a New Page Patroller, and I lack experience in reality TV articles, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 12:34, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Will try to get to this after lunch. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Schminnte. Looks borderline. Definitely fails WP:NACTOR, but these sources may pass WP:GNG: [8][9]. And there may be more: I saw a lot of hits on Google News. It's hard to tell the reliability of Indian sources sometimes because they're known for their advertorials, but in this case they were covering the show, so maybe they're independent enough. There's also an argument to be made that some of this stuff is WP:ROUTINE or WP:BIO1E. If you AFD this, I will watch with interest and use it to calibrate. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Novem. I'm thinking that if I take this to AfD it makes sense to either redirect or (maybe?) merge the article, as the only thing that there is any sourcing regarding is Bigg Boss (which is quite run of the mill in terms of news stories). Do you agree, and should I mention this during a nomination? Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:15, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure. At the end of your AFD nomination statement, you could say something like "A possible merge target is Bigg Boss OTT (Hindi season 2)". –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot; I'll make the nomination soon. Just to be clear, this is not an attempt to canvass, so please don't feel like you have to comment on the AfD! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Question on WP:G6

Hello! I may be misunderstanding CSD G6 somewhat - while I've performed the move you recommended of the article Potential 2024 Repub Candidates Template (edit: to Template:Potential 2024 Repub Candidates), G6 states that it should be used for Deleting pages unambiguously created in error or in the incorrect namespace, and regardless of the applicability, the template was only a transclusion of a section of an existing article and so gives me the impression it wouldn't survive TFD anyway. Can you explain why that is ineligible under G6 so I can understand better when a page is ineligible? Tollens (talk) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Tollens. I think you were right here and I was wrong. I missed both "Deleting pages unambiguously created in error or in the incorrect namespace." and the transclusion. Now that it's moved though, if you don't mind, I'll just TFD it myself, since I think moving it back to a bad title just to CSD it might not be perceived well. Sorry for the trouble. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure - no problem at all! Just thought I might be missing something, thanks for the clarification! Tollens (talk) 20:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Contrails source

Thanks for your comment on the sourcing of additional data on the Contrails article from a blog. In this case the blog, does have many failings of a blog, but its also where original and joint research is often published for the aviation industry. Within industry journalism, it is regularly cited as a source, or its authors are cited directly. In this case the author is a PhD and the company behind the blog (Cirium) is the primary independent source of flight fuel emissions data. If the blog rule is inflexible, I understand. If there is the ability to use it as a source, I'm happy to make any other adjustments you suggest. Thanks! https://www.cirium.com/thoughtcloud/exploring-the-environmental-impact-of-contrails/ RileyD0g (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey @RileyD0g. Thanks for the message. You could always start a discussion at Talk:Contrail or WP:RSN asking if it'd be appropriate to use that blog. But in general, blogs are WP:SELFPUB and we should default to not using them as sources. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Study Invite

Hello! I saw your post asking about how ORES was trained on the mediawiki. I thought you might be interested in our ongoing study, which aims to develop a tool that facilitates the curation of data that can train or evaluate existing or prospective machine learning models used in Wikipedia. If you're interested, please find more information on our recruitment page. Thanks for your consideration! Tzusheng (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Tzusheng. Howdy! This looks interesting. Will this end up being the replacement for ORES, or is this third party? Is the goal of your study to write papers, or to train AI models that will be used on Wikipedia? Is the tool used to label edits a user script or something else? –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the questions! It is not a new machine learning model, but a tool that helps curate datasets, which can be used to (re)train or evaluate existing or prospective models. We'll document results both on the meta wiki and as a paper and continue working on the next iteration for potential deployment if our study participants generally find it valuable to the Wikimedia community! Tzusheng (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Global script imports

Re Special:Diff/1161438174, I seem to recall a TfD involving {{lusc}} related to this. From what I remember, this means that the script is imported from the wiki it's loaded on, so if it's in goobal js, it will import it from MediaWiki, whereas the script is actually located in enwiki. Am I mistaken? — Qwerfjkltalk 20:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey there. I think you're right. Just now I went ahead and changed it here. The important thing is to get rid of the //domain.com "double-slash with no protocol" style formatting. Does it look OK now? –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that looks better (please ping me). — Qwerfjkltalk 15:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

In fact, you actually commented at the the TfD. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:39, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Belated congratulations

I've been on and off wiki a lot lately and didn't notice you had an RFA running, not that you need my vote anyway. Great to see more admins with an interest in NPP, Well done! Josey Wales ^Parley 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Newspapers in India

Followed your link from the WT Rfc to Nuances of GNG, and found lots of it quite good. I liked the table of primary/secondary source examples; you should consider adding that to one of the source how-to or info pages or supplements. I learned something at § Independence of the content concerning newspapers in India; that's useful info. Once again, was wondering whether it would be good to disseminate that, someplace; RSN, perhaps? Mathglot (talk) 04:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful. You're welcome to try to incorporate parts of it into other guides if you want. But my plan is to focus my energies on the page in my userspace. Also keep in mind that notability is controversial, and the more people that read that document or anything about notability that has lots of detail, the more likely they are to disagree with it. I suspect there's a reason WP:GNG is really vague: that's all that people could agree on. For example, the range of examples presented for significant coverage at WP:GNG is basically "somewhere between one sentence and an entire book". I'd be careful posting at RSN unless it's in the format "hey I'm having this specific dispute on this specific page, can you weigh in on if this specific source is reliable?" Oh, and you might be interested in checking out WP:NPPSG#India, which has detailed info on sources in India. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

NPP message

Hi NL, I was wondering if you would consider the message to be ready to send? Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 14:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo. Approved. Thank you for checking. Nice job on the draft. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

That was mostly @Illusion Flame. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 06:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Newsletter/Help draft

Could you add something, if needed, maybe an image? Then, once you’ve reviewed and copy edited it, could you sent it to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter test list as a test, before sending it for real. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Howdy. @Zippybonzo is in charge of hitting the button once we decide to send it. We haven't decided to send it yet though. It's still being discussed at WT:NPPC. Anyway, to improve the draft (which is currently missing a logo and signature), feel free to use this and this as inspiration. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the inspiration, I hope to get this to publishing worthy soon. It appears there is a consensus to send here, though. And given that 3 of the NPP coordinators support sending it (I’m counting you and ZB, based of previous comments), we could probably send it when @Zippybonzo and you okay it, given that there is no community opposition during that time. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I’ve also asked in Discord. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Since when was I 'in charge' of hitting the button, I simply hold the massmessage right as you weren't an admin for another few hours and I wanted to send the newsletter, but it's also good for backlog drive notifications. Though I do quite like pressing the button and watching the bot whirr, that is if it goes right and I don't have to AWB the message off people's talk pages and resend it correctly. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 06:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The joys of mass message sending :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

May I leave a subtle hint [10], as it helps with archiving the newsletter being that I can move the draft straight to the archives with no redirect rather than copy-paste them into the archive. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 08:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Wow, you really are terrible at subtle hints! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

As a new admin, I think I'll let WP:PERM/PM handle your request so there is no perception of favoritism. Nothing personal. I'm sure you're doing great work :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

GANReviewTool

Finally found some time to try this out. Bless you. I will never break the GA article list or ADHD away midway through passing an article again. -- asilvering (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering. You're very welcome. Thanks for the nice message :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Ummm...possibly really stupid question...I use tools around here all the time but forget the name or don't remember where I got the tool, I have never been a coder so some of all that is beyond my editing brain. Anyway, all that is to say - where can I find this tool? Thanks (and good luck on your RfA). Shearonink (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Shearonink. I have a complete list of scripts I've made on my user page. And you can visit GANReviewTool directly at User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool. There should be installation instructions there. Feel free to follow up here with questions. Hope that helps :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm baaaaaack. So, I've been following the instructions to install this tool but I am stuck at "...then come back to this page and click the giant blue "Install" button in the infobox on the right." because there is no Giant Blue Install button. I see that the Enterprisey script installer is on my common page so at least I got that done but.... Help? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Shearonink. Looks like you might have installed reply-link by mistake, which is different than script-installer. I'd recommend deleting reply-link from your common.js. Then go to Special:Preferences -> Gadgets -> find script-installer and tick that -> save. Then look for the blue button again. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Oddly enough I seemed to have gotten the script-installer installed at some point today but also installed the common stuff too... All is well now, thanks. lol. now if I can just figure out how to use it...always takes me a while. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:41, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I am Passing a GA - Ed Bradley. Help... I am not sure I am using the Tool correctly. I am finding some of the instructions to not be as intuitive for my sleep-deprived brain as I would like. I am mostly confused by "Wikicode to display when adding this to the list of good articles at WP:GA". Yes, yes, I know for a bio that on the WP:GA List page it needs to be [[First name Last name|Last name, First name]] but in the text box in the tool what am I supposed to put? Last name, First name? or the actual wikicoding within the nowiki above? I am used to slogging through, step-by-step... If I make a mess of it, I'll go back and clean it up. Am confused as the specifics, that's all. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Basically...what exactly should I put in the Title box of the Tool. Shearonink (talk) 05:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, it all worked out. I just wasted time worrying about what the words meant... When I saw "Wikicode etc..." I assumed it meant the actual complete code with the piping and brackets all had to be in the text box. Shearonink (talk) 05:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Shearonink. Nice, I'm glad you figured it out. I agree that it's a bit confusing. Hopefully the examples are helpful. One of the examples is People should be in format: Lastname, Firstname so hopefully that's a decent hint in the future. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Rajputisation

Can you see the page Rajputisation, here edit war is going on due to edit conflict.-Admantine123 (talk) 12:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123. Alright, I took some actions. Hope it helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Merger

Baruwar (Rajput clan) Afd discussion is complete and you had suggested merger of one more article with similar name, basically a WP:CONTENTFORK. Can you take the initiative to do so. Thanks-Admantine123 (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

You're referring to Barwar (caste), correct? Looks like it was already BLAR'd by someone else. Should be all set. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

No that's done, but there is merger template on this article as well with consensus to merge into Rajput clan.-Admantine123 (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Seen. Will work on this if I get time. Anyone is allowed to do the merger though. The tag will hopefully help notify people that this is ready to merge. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

For fixing the template - I wasn't able to, and was in the midst of trying to figure out where to request a fix when you did. Thanks again :) Beccaynr (talk) 13:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Beccaynr. Awesome. Sometimes I get nervous when reverting people, so it was quite a pleasant surprise to be thanked for it. I'm happy to help :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Was glad to see your name on Rfx... Keep doing what you do [and more] around here. Cheers! Volten001 ☎ 05:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. See you around :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Congrats. Sorry, I wasn't around to participate in the RfA. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for the "admins without tools" barnstar. That was a nice little push. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Client error in scripts

Hey there! Was great to meet you last month! I was wondering if you could help me with something?

Your scripts User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool.js and User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/DraftCleaner.js appear to be loaded by users with browsers that don't support https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind . The error is "SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: invalid group specifier name" and we're getting about 8000+ of them every week. An example user agent is Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/16.2 Safari/605.1.15.

Could you help me either: 1) Track down the people using this script with old browsers and get them to upgrade? 2) Update the script to not use lookbehind 3) Update your scripts to check support for these regexs before loading? For example User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool.js could be replaced with a smaller code:

if ( isLookaheadSupported) {
  importScript('User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool.js');
}

Thanks in advance for helping us keep our production error logs clean! Jdlrobson (talk) 15:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Seen. Will work on this if I get time. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I will probably end up doing approach #3. I'll have to google a way to compute isLookaheadSupported without throwing a syntax error. Will also have to split a couple of single user script files into two files, and update my publish.php script. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

crons

Hello. I am not able to create new cronjobs. I mean, the cronjobs are getting created but at the scheduled time, nothing is happening. Like, no error, no failed pod, nothing. At k8s-status, the "last schedule" remains blank. I generally use standard kubernetes yaml, but I also use toolforge's yaml pattern as well. I tried testing it through toolforge's yaml as well, but nothing happens, like the scheduled time has never arrived. Would you kindly try running a new dummy cronjob to see if it goes through? —usernamekiran (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I did a bit of tinkering, and I could get the pod started, but they failed immediately. In the logs the errors were unbelievable: cbyclub.py: 1: import: not found (import os). second error: cbyclub.py: 2: import: not found (import pywikibot) third error: cbyclub.py: 5: Syntax error: "(" unexpected the line is: site = pywikibot.Site('en', 'wikipedia'). I am successfully running the exact same script from my local computer. So now this issue is related to pywikibot specifically. pinging Qwerfjkl, as they are also using pywikibot from toolforge. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran, for what it's worth, I don't use yaml, I just run the jobs from PuTTy. Have you installed the os & pywikibot modules in the venv? I presume the htird error is because pywikibot issn't imported, otherwise I'd need to see the code. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran. Are you on WP:DISCORD at all? The Technical / General Technical Discussion channels are great for these kinds of questions. Or if you don't use Discord, you could try pinging Taavi or AntiCompositeNumber, who are good at Kubernetes and have helped me in the past. mw:Manual talk:Pywikibot also looks active. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: oh, I thought you utilise crons. I have been using same setup since a long time now, I successfully did set up other dummy cronjobs/scripts, and they executed properly. These scripts were pywikibot, so I am assuming the problem is with that particular file rather than code. I tried changing encoding, but it did not work either. I also updated the pywikibot set-up, but no improvement. I created new file(s) with different methods, still the same error. So I simply gave up on that particular file/script, and ran it from my local machine. @Novem, I am on Discord, but I haven't logged in since a lot of days. If I encounter similar issue again, I will contact AntiComposite, in the past I have discussed an issue related to CSV files with them. Thanks for your suggestions guys. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran, I do use cron jobs, but not yaml. Have you followed wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Pywikibot? — Qwerfjkltalk 16:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

discussion continued at User talk:Qwerfjkl#crons. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding my to do list to the top bar

Hi Novem, was wondering if you could help with a technical matter. In the previous WP skin, I had my to do list (User:Aza24/Tasks) in the top bar, but now it appears in the drop down menu alongside, preferences, beta etc. How can I go about restoring it to not be in the collapsed area? At the bottom of User:Aza24/common.js, I've already done this with sandbox, contribs and such. Aza24 (talk) 09:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Howdy @Aza24. What skin are you using? I'll load up your common.js using whatever skin you specify and see if I can fulfill your request. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Using Vector 2022. Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 10:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Novem, just wondering if you had a chance to look at this yet? No rush at all. Aza24 (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Aza24. Sorry for the delay. Try this and let me know what you think. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Works excellently. Thank you! – Aza24 (talk) 23:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

NovemBot RfA count

Hi, I have a suggestion for modifying NovemBot: that when an RfA gets placed "on hold" automatically after one week period, pending closure by a bureaucrat, that the bot go ahead and set the count back to zero. This will remove the "A request for adminship is open for discussion" notice from the watchlist notice, CENT, etc., which would be helpful because we shouldn't be encouraging new votes to an RfA that would just get reverted for being late anyway. I edited it back to zero myself but forgot that the bot was going to revert me. DanCherek (talk) 23:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey there. Thanks for the suggestion. Right now the bot's algorithm is super simple. It just counts the number of times that {{Wikipedia:Requests for adminship appears in the wikitext of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. There's no easy way to tweak that to pay attention to this template that automatically places RFAs on hold. It will require a more complex solution. I'll give it some thought. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

P.S. I see the RFA is still not closed, so I have temporarily turned off the bot. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanations! (It's now been closed by SilkTork.) I guess the 'crats usually get to it relatively quickly, within an hour or two anyway, so not the biggest of deals if there's not an easy fix. DanCherek (talk) 01:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

RfD close

Hi. I don't envy your job to find a way to close that discussion, but I would urge you to reconsider a straight NC. There was clearly no consensus, but resolving with the current target remaining doesn't sit well with me. To frame it one way, I think there was a consensus against the current target, which only one out of the 18 participants had as first choice. I think the close should have defaulted to a different option. Also, I disagree with the characterisation that the retargets were all equal and opposed with the deletes. In reality, I think the retargets were split between an article retarget and disambiguation of some sort, the latter of which is probably more akin to deletion than article retarget. In my opinion it is wrong to classify them as all of the same type. The more major issue is that the close weights too much the whim of one editor to create the redirect as it was, and that there are several closes which would have more accurately reflected the discussion, particularly deleting or some disambiguation. J947 † ^edits 09:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey J947. Thanks for the message. Do you happen to like Lord (disambiguation), the retarget that was slightly more preferred than the others? If so then maybe you can try boldly changing that to be the new target, and see if it gets reverted. Would that solve the issue? "No consensus" means that the closer could not find the consensus in that discussion, but it doesn't necessarily stop folks from picking a better target through normal editing processes such as WP:BRD. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

As it stands, I view that target equally unhelpful as the current one unfortunately, and including a list of applicable deities at it would be overall detrimental IMO, as most users pointed there would not be pointed from Our Lord and be surprised at that list. As to "No consensus" means that the closer could not [etc.], it seems rather defeatist – the appropriate venue is RfD; if you think a consensus might develop, then leave it up. At RfD, no consensus but default to something else is a common close – see WP:NCRET. J947 † ^edits 10:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Rosguill. If you have a minute, was wondering if I can get a second opinion on my RFD close at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_22#Our_Lord. Any thoughts? –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

When I come across a discussion like that, I typically close it as "retarget to FRONTRUNNER. Nominally no consensus between X and Y, defaulting to retarget to FRONTRUNNER in the absence of support for the status quo". N.b., in this case I'm involved, and supported the frontrunner retarget option with my !vote so take the advice with a grain of salt. Sometimes if there isn't a clear frontrunner, or a less popular option has some middle-ground quality that makes it a preferable compromise, closing in favor of such an option is acceptable, but I don't think that's the case here. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both for the feedback. I've decided to re-open the discussion so that someone else can close it. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

S201050066

Hi Novem Linguae, just an update regarding the banned User:S201050066. A few hours ago, S201050066 emailed me and demanded a NZ$10,000 ransom in return for stopping his sockpuppet attacks on Wikipedia. I called him out on his bluff and told him that such behaviour would only land him in further trouble. I am aware that he is autistic and has an older brother. I will inform his older brother about his misbehaviour. I have also read the update on his talk page about more sockpuppet accounts being identified. I think S201050066’s sockpuppet activities only confirm that he should not be allowed near Wikipedia. Is there a way to trace and block his IP address? Andykatib 00:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Andykatib. I don't recommend contacting his brother, because contacting off-wiki people about on-wiki things seems like harassment to me (to be clear, you'd be harassing him). He is the type of LTA that is probably best ignored. WP:DENY. Honestly he probably won't land in further trouble because he has already reached the maximum amount of trouble you can get into on Wikipedia (his accounts are globally locked on sight). We do not permanently block IP addresses of blocked users, but we have some other tricks up our sleeve. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Novem Linguae, thanks for your advice. I have been in contact with the banner user's brother Ian for about a year. We are on friendly terms and he is aware of his younger brother's online misbehaviour. As long S201050066 is unwilling to listen and correct his ways, banning him will be the best course of action. I also agree that it will be best to deny S201050066 the attention he seeks and globally lock his sockpuppet accounts on sight. Will treat him like the pest that he is. Andykatib 22:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

this user

Hey there, you may want to revoke their talkpage access. Thanks. 2601:1C0:4401:F60:2186:DB9E:4A18:2CFE (talk) 23:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, User:Zzuuzz took care of it... :-) 2601:1C0:4401:F60:2186:DB9E:4A18:2CFE (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

We edit conflicted :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Novem Linguae. Thank you for your work on State government response to the opioid epidemic in the United States. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, I had the following comments:

I'm thrilled to share the exciting news that your article has met all of Wikipedia's guidelines! After a careful review, I'm happy to say that it's good to go. Great job! Wishing you and your family an absolutely fantastic day ahead!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 00:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Your block of 37.147.79.38

I'm a bit surprised that they're still able to put pro-Putin propaganda on their talk page.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Skywatcher68. Not anymore. JBW revoked their talk page access. Hopefully that problem is solved. Thanks for keeping an eye on things. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Quick note

Don't know if you're using WP:XFDC or not, but you (or it) missed removing the banner from WIR-184 following this close. Not the end of the world, but thought it might be worth mentioning as something to keep an eye on in the future. Primefac (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I did use XFD Closer, but I imagine multi nominations can confuse it. I'll be more careful with multi-nominations in the future. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't usually, could be because 184 is a redirect to 00-2021 and it wasn't following it for some reason. Chalk it up to one of life's many mysteries, I suppose. Primefac (talk) 10:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Doppleganger

The blocked user Novam Linguae claims to be you as a doppleganger account. Just thought you'd like to chime in to either the affirmative or the contrary. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Sdrqaz identified them as the LTA user Kingshowman in a bogus AfD they created ("Wikipedia talk:Articles or deletion/Billy cranston"). Pretty poor impersonation if you ask me. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not me. It's that LTA that really doesn't like Billy Cranston. Thanks for bringing to my attention. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Teodoro Vidal

The Draft:Teodoro Vidal that you evaluated can be eliminated. I worked on editing the draft not realizing there was already an article on Teodoro Vidal. I added all my edits to the current article.----Lawrlafo (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. I redirected the draft. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Novem Linguae. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Curbon7 (talk) 09:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Advanced source searching

Hey Novem Linguae, The hyperlinks on WP:RSSE under Indian newspapers searches are all seem to be dead. I am not sure if I should remove the whole sub-section or just the hyperlinks. Just letting you know as you have previously edited the page and are also an administrator so you can take a call on this. Cheers! Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira. Maybe try to find if they moved to new locations using a Google search? And if not, then remove whole section? It's a judgment call but I think that'd be a reasonable course of action. And if it's too bold someone else can always revert it. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)