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NORG

I was looking at Centre for Education in Mathematics and Computing, an article which exclusively uses primary sources (and probably needs to be completely rewritten). I tried to perform a search through several pages of Google for this org. I found one probably SIGCOV source. I found several others though I do not think any can be counted toward GNG due to likely being self-published (first) or the coverage not being significant (the rest). I also think I can safely exclude this one as it's just a listing of competitions (which would fall under "products" if it is significant). Given the organization's history and assuming the sources don't qualify, would a {{Notability}} tag be good on this page? I'm not confident starting an AfD for it because I am unsure if there are pre-Internet sources for it. ~UN6892 ^t_c 18:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Username6892. Hey there. I haven't reviewed your links in depth, but your analysis sounds fine. Sure, throw a notability tag on it to draw attention to the situation. I haven't personally had good luck AFDing older articles, as other sources often turn up during the AFD, but I know others have had different experiences. If you get curious, you can always AFD and see what happens. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, I'd prefer sources turn up during the AfD because in that case, the article can improve through the introduction of new material. I think I'll consult a WikiProject or just nominate once I catch up with my to-do list given my BEFORE search didn't turn up enough material. ~UN6892 ^t_c 04:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Revdel request

Hello Novem! Could you please delete some copyright revisions from the World's Best (film) article? Thanks! 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 10:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it's already tagged with {{Copyvio-revdel}}, which is great. The template places the page in a category, and admins patrol the category. An administrator will be along shortly to handle it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

First time ever trying to nominate something for deletion so I was bound to mess it up. Thanks for the assist! DontKnowWhyIBother (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Although I don't recommend nominating things for deletion this early in your wiki-career. A hasty re-nomination of a controversial page may create drama for little net gain, ya know? –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware. I've been editing on and off for about 12 years now and know how awful the battles between pro-fringe and anti-fringe editors can be, especially around the Covid area where the crazies really come out. Honestly I would have been content to stay an IP if an account wasn't required to nominate something for deletion. DontKnowWhyIBother (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Being logged in has its advantages, such as WP:PINGs, WP:WATCHLIST, and userscripts/gadgets such as WP:TWINKLE (great productivity tool). For example, Twinkle could have filed that MFD for you in a couple clicks. Twinkle requires being WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, but you should reach that in a couple days. You sound like a good faith editor, so I hope you stick around. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

So word has it...

...that you'll be at Wikimania, too. Would be a pleasure to chat with you at some point, perhaps catch a refreshing beverage. Bring an umbrella; if you don't need it for the rain, you'll need it for the sun. See you there. Risker (talk) 02:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Risker. Definitely. Would love to chat. Will DM you some contact info. Otherwise we'll have to do it the old fashioned way by bumping into each other. Imagine that! :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding templates

I am messaging you because the thread in Template talk:Wikisource became too long to notify you. In the testcase, I have written code for merging Template:Wikisourcehas, Template:Wikisourcelang and Template:Wikisource-multi. It works fine and you can try it too. I think these four templates should be merged by the code in testcase. If you want to know about the parameters, please let me know. Sarangem (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Sarangem. Thanks for doing the coding work. I appreciate it. I was just the closer on this one, I have no opinion of the technical side, just the consensus part. I note my close suggests consulting Billinghurst, so you may want to contact them, and anyone else you feel appropriate. The TFD is located at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 July 5#XFDC9. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Sensitive (and time-sensitive) DYK hook

Hello Novem Linguae, I'm posting here because you're listed as a recently active administrator. There's an active discussion at WP:ERRORS about the ethics of running a hook mentioning an online suicide forum – the Main Page has just changed over to display the hook, but the discussion hasn't reached a consensus yet despite quite a few editors expressing concern. Would you be willing to intervene and pull the hook until discussion can conclude? – Teratix ₵ 00:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Teratix. Unfortunately I have very little experience with main page areas such as DYK and ITN, so I would not feel comfortable touching that content at this time. You may want to contact some admins that specialize in DYK. This link may give you some ideas of folks to contact: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&action=history. Hope this helps. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

All good! – Teratix ₵ 00:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

ivote, tools and NPP

I wanted to thank you for creating tools. I have used a GA promotion tool and an editor highlighter recently and they are great. I am sorry that I was an oppose at your RFA. I opposed because it is a lifetime appointment I am always concerned about the protection of content and content creators. I have always believed that an administrator would be more likely to protect both if they were a prolific content creator. In any event the administrator corps needs variety and you are probably a good addition. I hope you might also check my patrol log to see that I am doing well with that tool. Happy editing and thanks for your contributions to this great project. Lightburst (talk) 16:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Lightburst. Thanks for the warm message. I appreciate you changing your mind about me and giving me a chance. I think we'll get along just fine. At the end of the day, we're all here for the same reason, and we all care deeply about Wikipedia. Thanks again and see you around. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

GANR tool question

Hi! I'm the inverse of an expert when it comes to scripts. I've tried several approaches to troubleshooting the failure for the tool to load on Talk:Harold Kushner/GA1, including checking for the necessary templates, disabling and reenabling the tool, clearing cookies, and even swapping my editing from the 2010 skin to 2022 Vector (yes, I know that doesn't mean anything, but it made me feel better knowing that didn't work either). Do you mind taking a look at that review page and seeing what I'm doing wrong for the tool to not load? It worked just fine for me on another review I wrapped up a few days ago, so I must admit I'm befuddled.

Thank you for making this and other wonderful scripts; even if I can't use them to their full potential, it's wonderful to see what is done with them by the editors that know what they're doing! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti. My pleasure. I am unable to reproduce the error: "click here to open GANReviewTool" appears at the top of the GA1 page for me after 6 seconds. I see the tool in your common.js so it looks installed correctly. Do you see any WP:CONSOLEERRORs? –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't. However, I am also unable to reproduce the error on my phone both when using the mobile (what I'm using to respond to you right now) and desktop sites. It's clearly a problem related to my device, so I'll just chalk it up to my old laptop being goofy. Thank you for taking the time to look. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Help

What do you think of the conversation at the NPP page? It is forking into one largely about my own editing style. I have had that previous egregious interaction with Scope Creep, and I witnessed them also targeting innumerous articles by Another Believer in an aggressive manner. Can you act on this? From my experiences, reaching out on AN/I always leads to the same sort of drama between editors we're witnessing on the NPP talk page, with no results. ɱ (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

You can read my complaints about the prior actions here, here, and finally where it was condemned and resolved here. ɱ (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

My recent plea to just be kind and ask nicely went unanswered, and now was removed. ɱ (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey ɱ. Thanks for your message. I just spent an hour reading the NPP talk page, the ANI, and your diffs. Looks like everything has unfortunately gotten quite heated.

I don't really see any smoking gun diffs of Scope creep engaging in misconduct, so I have no further comment on that at this time, although you are welcome to create a section/subsection at ANI if you feel there is evidence that needs to be presented.

I observe that one point of tension between you and editors seems to boil down to the use of bare URLs as citations. To check an article for notability properly (as NPPs do) involves opening and reading every reference in the article until around 3 are found that pass GNG/NCORP. If most or all of the references are just links to a paywalled source, then these checks cannot be performed. That's fine, paywalled sources are allowed, but a proper reference should have enough metadata to at least know what the source is (newspaper name, issue date, title). If that information is missing, then the citation doesn't really provide any information. Because you're using older sources, a WP:BEFORE might not turn up these older sources, which could lead to unnecessary AFDs.

The ideal fix here would be to provide more metadata for your citations. You could do this, for example, by proper use of {{Cite news}}.

I would also add that placing a maintenance tag such as {{Cleanup bare URLs}} is, in my opinion, a minor and impersonal thing. Editor sees X issue with the article, editor places X maintenance tag to encourage folks to fix X.

Finally, please be careful using the word "gaslighting". It's essentially a camouflaged way of accusing people of lying. Reading all these threads, it seems that maybe one or two people were rude to you, but most folks are interacting with you with good intentions.

This is getting long and I'm probably repeating stuff that others have already told you, so I'll stop here. I hope this helps and that you choose to stick around. Your contributions are great and appreciated even if it doesn't feel like it right now. With a couple small tweaks to your referencing habits, all the underlying problems and tension points should hopefully go away. Thank you for reading and happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Request for tag creation

Hi, Novem! I was reading Wikipedia:Tags and it doesn't give a process for requesting tag creations so I thought I'd just ask someone who can (seeing this is usually how it's done, anyway). Would it be alright if you create a tag for Deputy with Special:Tags (preferrably with the tag name "Deputy")? This also means creating the MediaWiki:Tag-Deputy page with the content [[Wikipedia:Deputy|Deputy]]. It'd help a lot in pinpointing edits made by Deputy on Quarry (since searching by edit summary is starting to push the execution time to over an hour). Thank you! Chlod (say hi!) 02:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chlod. Sounds reasonable to me.  Done. I also created MediaWiki:Tag-Deputy-description. Hope it helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Chlod (say hi!) 03:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Page curation toolbar not showing up

Are you able to see the page curation tool for the recent AFC accepted article Sarvatra Technologies? Although I repeatedly reloaded the article, the toolbar is just not shown on this particular article. It is happening only on this article and I'm just curious as to why it was happening. Thilsebatti (talk) 03:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Thilsebatti. Thanks for the question. Looks like the AFC reviewer Josve05a is autopatrolled, plus this is not a brand new article. Because of those two things, the Page Curation toolbar isn't showing up for this one. If you ever need to unreview something like this for some reason (although careful unreviewing old stuff), you can click "Add to the New Pages Feed" in the tools menu on the bottom left. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions

Hello Novem Linguae,

I’m reaching out as part of a Cornell University academic study investigating the potential for user-facing tools to help improve discussion quality within Wikipedia discussion spaces (such as talk pages, noticeboards, etc.).

We wanted to invite you to join the study because you are both frequently active in discussions and also have a lot of experience with technical elements of Wikipedia tools. This is an ideal mix of background and we feel this study might be very relevant to your interests.

The study centers around a prototype tool, ConvoWizard, which is designed to warn Wikipedia editors when a discussion they are replying to is getting tense and at risk of derailing into personal attacks or incivility. More information about ConvoWizard and the study can be found at our research project page on meta-wiki.

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--- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 17:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

List of suicide locations

Hello Novem Linguae,

I noticed that an edit made in June on this page: List of suicide sites was revoked as it was a link to an external site. The link in question was a link to a page for global support lines for people feeling suicidal. https://www.suicidestop.com/call_a_hotline.html

Whilst I can see the page does link to the Wiki page for crisis support, at a point of crisis, it's important to make help as accessible as possible. Wikipedia guidelines do say that external links are permissible in certain circumstances. Could an exception be made in this instance?

Seema 77.101.61.53 (talk) 09:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Howdy. You may want to move this suggestion to Talk:List of suicide locations. I don't remember much about that article, and when discussing a specific article, it is often best to post on that article's talk page. Editors who have it watchlisted will chime in with their thoughts. I think it unlikely that something that makes an article not look like an article (violates WP:MOS) will be permitted to be added to an article, but you are welcome to suggest it and see what happens. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like I'm the one that removed the link in this diff. I had forgotten, but yeah, I would not support including that since it violates MOS. The way forward would be to post on the article talk page and see if anyone else disagrees with me. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1174275780

You do know the bot is going to re-alphabetise this next time it runs the page, yes? Primefac (talk) 12:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Primefac. The data on that page was not alphabetized so I don't think the bot has an alphabetization algorithm. Is the bot pulling the data from somewhere else and I should alphabetize it there instead? –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It most definitely does alphabetise. It doesn't use an ASCII chart, which is why 3family6 comes before 3PPYB6 (because f comes before p). Primefac (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. NovemBot stayed at the top of the bots section for a year, so maybe the bots section doesn't get alphabetized. Thank you for the information. I will watchlist that page and try to familiarize myself with it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Huh, didn't know that. You're probably right. Primefac (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I suppose I should file a bug report. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

TPA

Can you revoke this IP's talk page access since i know that IP is an LTA. Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello there Notrealname1234. The IP is only blocked for 31 hours. Not sure revoking talk page access for 31 hours is a great solution. Only so much we can do with IPs because it has a chance of affecting innocent editors. If I'm missing something, feel free to post a diff. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:17, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Novem Linguae The LTA page does mention this "Revoke TPA for socks as they are known to abuse their talk page access to troll others.", maybe this is the same case here? Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

You haven't mentioned which LTA or which diff/behavior is so severe as to warrant revoking talk page access. I'm also thinking it's probably not a good idea to revoke TPA from an IP, nor from someone with such a short block. Sorry I can't help here. Feel free to get a second opinion at WP:ANI. I am not an expert on revoking TPA from IPs. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae The LTA is AudiGuy-1204. Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPP#Draftification

Regarding this, I of course agree that the NPP tutorial needs guidance on draftification. The reason I removed the section was not to remove that guidance, but to try and integrate it with the preceding section on deletion. Or more specifically, to present draftification alongside other WP:ATDs, because that is ultimately what it is and where it has the strongest policy basis.

I like your rewritten section on draftification, but I still feel like there is something to be said for presenting all the ATDs together. I've observed that newer NPPers tend to lean heavily on draftification while overlooking other, less controversial ATDs. I wondered if that was because it was given so much greater prominence in the tutorial (and that damn flowchart). What do you think about an "Alternatives to deletion" section, instead of a "Draftification" section specifically?

In any case thanks for your help trimming the fat from that page. It's been something I've been wanted to do for ages. – Joe (talk) 09:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joe Roe. Thanks. I'm happy to help. In regards to your suggestion, I think that draftification deserves a decent amount of weight, minimum 1-2 paragraphs. Not because I think it should be used more often than AFD (I don't), but because it's a fairly complex process and also the community is sensitive to it and I think it should be explained in sufficient detail to hopefully keep NPPs out of trouble.

We could try putting it in an ATD section and also include BLAR there and see how it looks if you want. Although we might want a subheading for draftification. WP:NPPDRAFT needs to point somewhere. And I don't think we should obfuscate draftification too much. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I did some bold editing just now and ended up getting draftification down to a paragraph. I need to get some sleep and then go to work, will take another look at this when I get some time. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Resignation of NPP tools

Hello - Around 3 weeks ago, I qualified and received NPP rights. However, once I started to get into reviewing, I discovered I simply do not find it fun. Maybe I may re-apply at a later date, but since NPP is a high-risk permission in event of an account breach, I would like to let go of my NPP permissions. Thanks, Ca ^{talk to me!} 22:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Ca. Done. Have a great weekend. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate that you were willing to give it a try @Ca, thank you for that. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Installation

Hey Novem, there are problem of installation of Stubsort and Hotdefaultsort in my subpages, can you check and fix those problems ? Citadeol(talk) 09:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

What's happening? What should happen instead? Any error messages? –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I have installed but not showing any option of Stubsort and Defaultsort. Citadeol(talk) 09:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there's 3 problems in User:Citadeol/common.js:

1. Delete the space between importScript and the parenthesis.
2. Capitalize "sort" in "HotDefaultsort"
3. You mention Stubsort but it's not installed at all. Add importScript('User:SD0001/StubSorter.js'); // Backlink: [[User:SD0001/StubSorter.js]] or similar.

Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I have fixed but Defaultsort is not showing pls check and also install the Stubsort. Citadeol(talk) 11:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like you did #1 and #2. That should be enough to get Defaultsort to work. Are you looking at the very bottom of the article where the categories display? Example article: Tom Cruise. Should say "Default sort: Cruise, Tom(−)(±)" at the very bottom. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done I have fixed the issues and thanks for the guide. Happy editing. Citadeol(talk) 17:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Testing massmessage

Hello Novem Linguae,

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Thought maybe you could figure out what I did/am doing wrong

I posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) about an issue I am having with the OneClickArchiver userscript, please see the Talk page archive button/userscript section for a more complete explanation. Hoping maybe someone around here - like maybe you? - can explain what is going wrong to me and put me out or my confused misery. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 01:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, will take a look. I replied at VPT. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Moving to mainspace

Can you move Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha to mainspace. It is eligible to exist as mainspace article in its current version as it fulfills WP:NPOL. Many stub articles exist on Wikipedia. This is in good condition compared to them. Admantine123 (talk) 09:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123. Howdy. I'll let you make the move if that's OK. Any editor can move a draft from draftspace to mainspace, per WP:DRAFTOBJECT. You don't even need to be an AFC reviewer. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

What to do with tags on Siddharth Sukhlal Kushwaha. Also some bizzare categories.- Admantine123 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Can just delete those. I went ahead and did so here. Hope that makes sense. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the categories here. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I texted almost everyone i know on Wikipedia for this article. Finally everything is fine. Admantine123 (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I'm happy to help! –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Protection

Please protect, Kushwaha, Kachhwaha and Kushwaha (surname) until the discussion is finished about the user on WP:AN/I Admantine123 (talk) 09:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123. Howdy! Feel free to post a request at WP:RFPP. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, issue sorted out Admantine123 (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

NPP and redirect expansion

Hi Novem, you mentioned at VPR that NPP catches redirect expansions, and I was wondering if you could provide a bit more detail. My most recent interaction with NPP saw me apparently flagged as an article creator as I had created the redirect, rather than the editor who converted the redirect to an article, but I'm unsure what NPP picked up as the redirect and expansion happened in very quick succession. Is it catching one or both, or does it run at a certain time and catch changes since that time? I have also seen redirects used for abused for block evasion similar to the report which prompted the VPR discussion, eg. here, but I was unaware NPP picked this up until now. Best, CMD (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey friend. Thanks for the questions. So the mw:Extension:PageTriage software catches redirect expansions by marking the page as unreviewed automatically when a redirect is expanded, triggering a fresh review. This is a great defense against UPEs that would otherwise hijack redirects in order to bypass the NPP queue.

As for your specific example, you are correct. The software flagged you as the page creator since you are indeed the page creator. The software just sees the first revision's author as a page's author. This is unrelated to my previous paragraph and is just the normal MediaWiki way of identifying a page creator. Hope this helps.

P.S. Was nice meeting you in Singapore. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I was surprised at the time to get the NPP message saying I'd written a nice article given I had done no such thing, so the distinction between PageTriage and Mediawiki and which does what is perhaps what I was missing. I will try to digest it further, although I'm still unfamiliar with the mediawiki backend. Nonetheless, it's quite reassuring to know what I thought for a couple of years was a gap in our systems isn't actually a gap. Great to meet you too. CMD (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft Stefan Raunser

Hi Novem Linguae,

I worked on the Draft:Stefan Raunser that was created by another editor. I improved it, taking in consideration the previous comments made by another wikipedia editor: DoubleGrazing, who declined the submission. Unfortunately, this reviewer does not re-review submissions that have been declined by them. I would therefore be great if you could re-review the draft and/or help me to improve the entry. Thanks in advance LA285306 LA285306 (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

LA285306. I accepted it just now. Thanks for writing it and for addressing DoubleGrazing's concerns. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for this prompt support! LA285306 (talk) 08:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Expanded section issue

Hi Novem Linguae, Hope you are doing well. I think that you are expert in creating scripts here in Wikipedia. So, I want to inculde you in Talk:India at the 2022 Asian Games#Drop-down Issue. Please feel free to add your comments there. Thank you ! Fade258 (talk) 10:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Howdy. Sounds like something is broken on mobile? Might want to post this one at WP:VPT with a clear question / clear steps to reproduce. Someone there who is good at mobile can test and assist further. Could be a problem with wikicode syntax on that page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will be there. Fade258 (talk) 05:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Gop stop

You deleted my edit to gopnik article where I said how gopnik came from 'gop stop'. You said how you think it's unlikely a russian term will derive from non-russian one. What makes you think 'gop stop' is a non-russian term? The term is 100% russian. Karyev (talk) 21:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey Karyev. Thanks for the message. I reverted your edit this time because LiveJournal is not a reliable source. It is WP:SELFPUB. Hope that makes sense. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Well how can it be happy editing if you're deleting my edits out of spite for no good reason? There can be NO 'reliable' sources on this subject - we're talking about how terms evolved 100-200 years from now. It's a matter of opinion. Including whether 'gopniks' derives from 'gop-stop' or 'gop-stop' derives from gopniks. But obviously it's either or, cause both these terms basically mean the same thing - robbery and those doing it. The reality is there's a locally well-known russian slang term 'gop-stop' which means street robbery. Just google it - you will only see russian links, including well known song by a well-known russian artist. It's a common knowledge in Russia. No one else uses it. So how you figured it's a foreign term is anyone's guess. Stop canceling me out, man ) Karyev (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I would encourage you to follow our policies and guidelines so that you get reverted less often. For example the guideline on citing reliable sources. A google search for "gopnik etymology" should provide some clues as to its origin. For example wikt:гопник#Russian, which does not mention "gop stop". You can't cite Wiktionary since wikis are not reliable sources, but those search results should be some good starting points in looking for sources. There's probably an online dictionary with an etymology somewhere that could be cited for this. An online dictionary's etymology section would be a reliable source. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

COI?

Hi, Novem Linguae, thanks for adding the "like resume" tag to Shmuly Yanklowitz. Over the years, many IPs and more or less ephemeral accounts have been trying to promote the subject. I feel this contributions list is currently interesting, and have posted a COI template on the user's page. Bishonen | tålk 21:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC).

@Bishonen. Yeap, smells like COI to me. Wish I had time to do a bit more. For now will just keep it watchlisted and make sure it stays tagged in some way. Happy editing :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive

Hello Novem Linguae:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 1000 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

For your many excellent nominations at EOTW. Your support for the project is appreciated. ―Buster7 ☎ 10:54, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Buster7. My pleasure! –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Novem

Hello Novem. I just replied you in my talk page. Sorry if arogance and overness that I showed there bothered you, it was for the bosses of yours not for you believe it. I forgot for a while that you're a volunteer user like many who are working for free in good cause, I value it. You definitely did a great job by reaching out to me. I know you saw my help seeking request somewhere in talk pages and found to to talk. I am glad for that because you put your intention and effort to find me. Yes I am at present highly depressed due to Wikipedia's harrasments to me but that's okay if I get clear direction for ahead. You may suggest me to do what will be good to me and to Wikipedia as per your understanding. I'm fine if I'm doing and I wasn't doing for long. I have no energy left to explain anything that drained my energy but I would put my best energy to do little good no matter how small.Thank you. 2409:4081:8790:B968:0:0:29EC:E8A1 (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Context: User talk:2409:4081:8798:9710:0:0:1B31:90A1#Hi there. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Precise language

I'm curious about your objections to imprecise language for LL. For 'soft' social science topics, like the influences on group thinking, surely the kind of language in academia is imprecise. If we go all the way into the Arts then a statement like:

• Claude Debussy's first compositions were heavily influenced by Chopin's keyboard works

would be absolutely 'standard' knowledge that Wikipedia would carry as such. In the social sciences it's maybe not quite as soft but it's not precise hard science either, so academics will write stuff like

• the way in which the theory was promoted by both politicians and keyboard warriors in the spring of 2020 has all the hallmarks of conspiracy thinking: confirmation bias, claims to secret information, blaming all problems on a demonized enemy, sliding quickly from the idea of an accidental laboratory leak to a deliberate program of bioweapons research, and so on.[1]

My point being that relaying scholarship can mean adopting the mode of writing about knowledge that the scholars use - 'having hallmarks' is both figurative and, if you, like 'imprecise'. Bon courage (talk) 10:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the message I guess, but they're just copy edits. I don't really want to get into an extended debate about a couple words. It's a bit disappointing that you're so quick to revert on something so minor. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, sorry. But I was more interested in the general question. I suppose LL is a difficult topic because on the one hand it's very empirical (e.g. did the virus originate at site X? Does it have signs of human engineering at the cellular level?) but increasingly it's being treated as a kind of sociological phenomenon in sources (e.g. what makes people believe this and how are the ideas influenced?). So the kind of knowledge around the latter is much less hard and empirical. I don't think I have a specific question but I'm just supposing there may be a difficulty reconciling these two ways of looking at a topic? I was really seeking input rather than an argument but if you don't want to that's fine! Bon courage (talk) 09:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your quiet words of advice and correction. I will bear them in mind with pleasure. Sometimes one does an incorrect thing for what appear to be entirely correct reasons at the time. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sometimes it helps to hear something from more than one person. Hopefully I was helpful and not patronizing! –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

If I am fair, I heard it the first time from the other party, and took notice. The difference is that you were all you hoped with your message, and they raised hackles. I was not going to appear to accept their correction based on hackle raising.

The message was important. Sometimes one makes mistakes in good faith. Having mistakes called out is good, and is useful, as well as important. That can be ruined by the manner of delivery.

The article is returned to Draft, no harm has occurred. It does have a place here, and I could edit it to secure its place, but I think wiser not to touch it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Feature request for DraftCleaner.js

Is it possible to make DraftCleaner remove {{AfC submission}} and {{AfC comment}}? Lightoil (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lightoil. Only from mainspace articles, right? I think we'd need to keep those on drafts, right? –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes correct Lightoil (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Lightoil. Done I think. Give it a try now. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

About a little change to your script

Hey Novem Linguae! I thought I'd let you know that you might want to add a case for your script DraftCleaner so that it doesn't replace legitimate external links in infoboxes (diff). No rush, of course; it's a small enough issue that it's nothing to worry about. Thanks, by the way, for making this script, as well as GANReviewTool and CiteHighlighter! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:52, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Creating Template:WikiProject Ghana/2023 GOIF Wikipedia Contest/Contest/entries

Hello, Novem Linguae

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Significa liberdade and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Editor experience invitation

Hi Novem :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sock?

Hey Novem! I came across an article that you previously G5'd in a mass deletion of a sock. The article has been recreated and I'd like to know if it's the same sock or not. Article is Boxing at the 2023 Pacific Games ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 17:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Blaze Wolf. Thanks for the message. The text in the deleted version is completely different, so no smoking gun here. However it looks like this account re-created the same deleted pages as the sock, so this is worth an SPI. Luckily someone already filed one at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KimSumi21#28 November 2023, so we should be all set. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! I noticed it while looking at new pages to review and saw that it had been mass deleted via a sock finding and also it had no references so it threw many red flags. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 21:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Azores

Would welcome some guidance on the edit. The Azores was factually the first archipeligo to be certified, it was endorsed by the Government. I edited this out to reflect just their Earthcheck certification. Its a government policy and something they publish publicly. Should I perhaps expand on it more and include their policy documents, action plans etc? Appreciate any guidance you can provide. 118.209.253.140 (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Azores § EarthCheck Sustainable Destination

Barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		The Rescue Barnstar is awarded to editors who rescue articles from deletion. From the Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron. This barnstar is awarded to Novem Linguae. Thank you for working so hard on drafts! God bless you and yours this season! Ikipedia2 (talk) 13:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hello there, it's me again! Can you please delete the page Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/List of users already invited. I'm trying something out; a more efficient way to add users to the list. I'll quickly let you know when it's done. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 16:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Raydann. Done. Please ping me when you're finished so I can restore it, if needed. We definitely need some kind of list at that page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done - I moved the empty list shell from Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/Invite list 4 to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination/List of users already invited and re-added all the editors we've already invited in the list. I think the list is more efficient now because we have a button to quickly add users. Also it looks like we got our first invite response: Special:Diff/1189441546. Cheers! ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 22:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks great. Thanks! –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

		Happy Holidays
		Hello, I wanted to be the first second to wish you the very best during the holidays. Lightburst (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Edward-Woodrow submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate User Novem Linguae to be Editor of the Week for his dedicated and excellent work, not only as an NPP reviewer and co-ordinator, but also as a valued content creator and writer of many useful scripts and many software patches on Twinkle and the (ever-ailing) PageTriage. Novem Linguae has made over 14,000 edits to mainspace, beside many other important contributions to the encyclopedia. This nomination was seconded by User:Illusion Flame

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

{{User:UBX/EoTWBox}}

Thanks again for your efforts! Buster7 (talk) 12:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Well deserved! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Well deserved indeed!! – Aza24 (talk) 02:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey Novem, I hope you're well. Jupiter is being promoted to a Featured topic (having been one in the past). Does the bot work for this "re-promotion" or should I do it manually? Best – Aza24 (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Aza24. I did a read only test run, and the output looks good to me. Examples:

Talk:Jupiter:

|action16 = FTC
|action16date = 05:12, 6 December 2023
|action16link = Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Jupiter/archive1
|action16result = promoted
|action16oldid = 1188421513
|ft2name = Jupiter
|ft2main = yes

Talk:Atmosphere of Jupiter:

|action6 = FTC
|action6date = 05:12, 6 December 2023
|action6link = Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Jupiter/archive1
|action6result = promoted
|action6oldid = 1187879552
|ftname = Jupiter
|ftmain = no

I think Wikipedia:Featured topics/Jupiter and Wikipedia talk:Featured topics/Jupiter are going to get overwritten though, so if you could manually merge those pages when the bot is done, I think we'll be in good shape. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good, thank you! Aza24 (talk) 05:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally forgot to restore the promotion ping (I undid it since I wasn't sure), so have just now done so. Also, feel free to remove Sturmvogel from the User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/NovemBotTask1Allowlist.js list–they are not a coordinator any longer. Aza24 (talk) 02:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Enjoy your holidays, my friend. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Cremastra (talk) 22:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.

Cremastra (talk) 22:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings!

Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much

Hello Novem Linguae,

I just wanted to thank you for your work on Faria Abdullah. Yours, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mushy Yank. You're very welcome. Judging by NACTOR AFDs such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lauri Hendler, I think it will survive, but be ready for anything. Happy holidays. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

detect promo script

thanks v much for developing. I'd recommend it didn't search in the references pls? as reliable sources often use promo words. e.g. my bold "Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight" AP News. AP news is on the very reliable source list. This happens a lot and so the tool generates a lot of false positives. thanks again, Tom B (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tpbradbury. Sure. Can you repost this message at User talk:Novem Linguae/Scripts/DetectPromo.js and ping me? Because this ping is on my user talk, every time I visit my user talk it gets cleared out and I am in danger of forgetting! –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)