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Mansoor Ijaz article discussion

New sub-section on Pakistan and new section on Opinions

@Nyttend: Good early morning, Sir. Hope all is well in Indiana. Happy Easter! As I have been working on re-development of articles Timothy M. Carney and Robin Raphel, I ran across a number of books that had actively quoted from my op-ed pieces with Jim Woolsey, Gen. Abrahamson, Gen. Jones, etc. I also found a lot of material related to my various interventions in Pakistani politics which are not presently covered in the article. Are you up for a work through edit with me if I prepare a draft sub-section with references for your review? And can we add a section of "Views" that allows us to bring in those elements where op-eds with my colleagues that are quoted in context from books could be put in at the bottom of the article? Thanks for a reply. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 05:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

References discussion

@Nyttend: Thank you for the comment on one of the references. Would this reference satisfy the concern you raised? http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/04/10/should-a-muslim-be-put-in-charge-of-public-diplomacy. It quotes an article I wrote in context of my advocacy for American Muslims in U.S. political life and as it was written in 2009, would certainly indicate the longevity of my advocacy from the first piece written in March 1997. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nyttend: In the Encyclopedia of Muslim Americans reference http://books.google.com/books?id=owZCMZpYamMC&pg=PA258&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false, the paragraph starting with "Since 9/11, Ijaz has called on his fellow Muslim Americans...." also contains language that indicates what you seek comfort on, I believe.... --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I repaste this segment of our talk discussion from 27 March 2014 wherein I had written: "In no particular order, or importance of content, here are some of the articles I've written over the years about American Muslim civil liberties issues. These are intended only as an indication of how I added a voice to guide our democracy's discourse on the issue of American Muslims in US political life. I hope these perspectives will give you and other editors who care to look a better understanding of where religion fit in my life's work:"

1. 1997-03-14 Campaign Giving as a Freedom Tax, Los Angeles Times,
2. 1998-11-06 Let Muslims deal with bin Laden, Los Angeles Times, http://articles.latimes.com/1998/nov/06/local/me-39819
3. 2000-07-12 A System that Rewards Just Those Who Flash Cash is Bankrupt, Los Angeles Times, http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/12/local/me-51630
4. 2000-11-05 Muslims in America Feel Betrayed, Los Angeles Times, http://www.hindunet.org/hvk/articles/1100/9.html
5. 2002-04-02 Citizenship before Civil Rights, Washington Post, http://archive.is/LL3eX
6. 2002-12-05 Think before jumping on Saudi-bashing bandwagon, Christian Science Monitor, http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1205/p09s02-coop.html/%28page%29/3
7. 2003-04-01 Citizenship before Civil Liberties, Christian Science Monitor, http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0401/p11s01-coop.html
8. 2005-07-11 Moderate Muslims must Banish the Enemy Within, Financial Times, http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/488c0036-f272-11d9-8e69-00000e2511c8.html#axzz2x8EiDmli
9. 2005-07-14 Moderate Muslims' citizenship duty, http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0714/p09s01-coop.html
10. 2006-02-18 Islamic Truths, Los Angeles Times, http://articles.latimes.com/2006/feb/18/opinion/oe-ijaz18
11. 2006-02-28 Can Islam Reform Itself?, National Review Online Debate with Andrew McCarthy, http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/can-islam-refor.html (broken link)
12. 2007-11-27 A Muslim Belongs in the Cabinet, Christian Science Monitor, http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1127/p09s01-coop.html
13. 2008-10-31 Duty of American Muslims, Christian Science Monitor, http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2008/1031/p09s01-coop.html
14. 2009-09-09 Burning Korans...., CSM, http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0909/If-Terry-Jones-burns-the-Koran-he-ll-also-set-fire-to-America-s-identity
15. 2010-08-25 U.S. Muslims should be Americans first, Washington Post ON FAITH, http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2010/08/25/us-muslims-should-be-american-first/8931

The dates of the op-ed articles and the notable newspapers in which they were published demonstrate a longevity of my opinions on the issues of how American Muslims fit in to U.S. political life -- 13 years of writing and nearly twice as many years of advocacy (over half my life, and the majority of my adult life). Hope this is of further assistance. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 15:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Good morning, Sir. I write to request permission that I can make a small re-organization change in article Mansoor Ijaz -- the reference to Council on Foreign Relations membership and former service on the board of directors of the Atlantic Council rightly belong in the sub-section (at the end) "Political life". That would also condense just a bit the sub-section "Philanthropic activities" -- I would like to make the change as it will also require re-scaling the image just a bit as well. Thank you. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Thank you for making the change. May I ask also that you take a look at the changes FreeRangeFrog and I made to the Memogate section of article Husain Haqqani? I think the quote from The Wall Street Journal in the final paragraph of that section is excessively and too extensively quoted. It should either be cut, or it should go into the section created by Frog below. I understand and think it is certainly fair to balance the heavy allegation of treason with whatever those who originally wrote this section wanted to say in favor of Haqqani, so the added "Statements..." section is a good way to do it. But there is too much emphasis on one editorial from one newspaper to justify an entire paragraph length quote. My thoughts on the subject -- over to you and Frog. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz article

@Nyttend: About two and a half years ago, one of the other editor/administrators (Moonriddengirl) did a wholesale delete of article Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz originally posted by Ironboy11 that initiated coverage of my father.

• 05:31, 12 July 2011 Ironboy11 (talk | contribs) . . (17,946 bytes) (+17,946) . . (←Created page with '{{Infobox scientist | name =Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz | image =Replace this image male.svg |

At the time in October 2011, about ten days after the delete was made by Moonriddengirl on grounds of copyright violations was done, she and I exchanged comments as posted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive_40 (section Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz). I was a complete novice with Wiki standards and editing practices, and wholly unaware of any of what I have learned from the interactive process with you of re-writing article Mansoor Ijaz.

So I wanted to see with you, since I saw in the archives of Moonriddengirl that you had some contact with that editor/administrator around those periods on other topics, whether it might be possible to reach out to her and see if we could get either the references used or the architecture of the original article about my father that had quite a lot of data in it which was accurate and correct.

I had nothing to do with the conception of the article at that time, but as I recall, some of that data represented things about my dad's early life that even I did not know. I seek your help to perhaps do a re-write of that material that was wrongly attributed, and copied and pasted too heavily, as apparently Ironboy11 was wont to do quite often. His article, however wrongly done, had material that is relevant and important for the encyclopedic entry about my father. I could help a lot in the re-write, with us engaging in a similar process as we did on article Mansoor Ijaz. What I specifically seek from you is to obtain the elements of that original article that we could re-work and make it acceptable to Wiki standards.

The key issue of course with someone of my father's achievements is that almost all of it was done during a period of time before internet capabilities existed and were recorded as such. So the traditional mechanisms available to us to verify and source materials will be a challenge, but we as his children may be able to help source much of the materials back to clippings from newspapers or Physics journals that carried record of his life. Sort of like the old weightlifting articles in my case. I know you are busy with other things, but this is one of the projects I wanted to work on and thought maybe you could help with initial outreach while I do the hard lifting of re-write and sourcing. Thank you. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Some of the sources that are electronically available are below:

• http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/article/35/5/10.1063/1.2915118
• http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/letters/11709843/god-as-ultimate-unifying-force
• http://www.phys.vt.edu/awards/brochures/Awards2012.pdf
• http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE3-2/menon.html
• http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/726zcjim.asp?page=1
• http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/14/obituaries/mujaddid-ahmed-ijaz-nuclear-scientist-55.html

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User:Hmains is plowing through city articles removing "footer" templates with his tools. I understand his point of view, but don't understand why they MUST be removed. Whether I'm wrong or wrong is one thing, but heck he is still plowing through articles after I started a discussion with him. See discussion at User_talk:Hmains#Template:Kansas. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 21:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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(talk page stalker) Nyttend: It seems to me that William's declaration of his intent to find evidence to use to get both of us desysopped (Your buddy buddy with Nyttend is reprehensible and should be the cause of your losing administrative tools. It won't happen. Instead I will watching the both of you for the next time you try what you did to me to someone else. So watch out. I'll be leading the charge for you at ANI and Arbcom till you resign or someone at wikipedia shows some guts around here to take away your absolute power to do harm to someone for absolute bullshit!) gives both of us ample reason to think that some of his recent edits are indeed related to "following" us. --Orlady (talk) 01:41, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding your edit just now to the NRHP row sandbox, I would suggest naming the category Category:NRHP list with commonscat (note the singular form of "list") to match other categories such as Category:NRHP list missing refnum, etc. I'm hoping to catch you before you create the category.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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List

Hi Nyttend. Thank you for closing the RfC here. However, there appears to be a mistake. As clearly stated in the RfC question, the proposal asked "should the title of this article be changed to List of black Academy Award winners and nominees so that its scope would include black Oscar winners and nominees from countries other than the United States?". The RfC resulted in a stalemate of five votes for the proposal and five votes against it. There was thus no consensus for the page move, so the page title should have been kept at "List of African-American Academy Award winners and nominees". In your rationale, you stated that "African American says that "African Americans, also referred to as Black Americans or Afro-Americans, are citizens or residents of the United States who have total or partial historic ancestry from any of the native populations of Sub-Saharan Africa", and that "we need to be careful about contradicting parent articles" [1]. However, I'm the user that added that phrase to the African American wiki-page, which specifies that that page pertains to individuals with such "historic ancestry" i.e. from the antebellum period, as made explicit on African diaspora. So the list title was indeed already consistent with the African American page. Thought I'd bring this to you first to see if you can correct this error before seeking administrative help. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I agree, I'm afraid that was a bad close, and not in line with policy. We generally don't categorize by race, and the policy-based arguments for keeping the scope of the article focused on African Americans are clear. Could you please consider undoing this page move?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I would also support a review of the move. HelenOnline 16:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I would agree it was a bad close and we need to avoid erroneous race based categories. I have no idea what "black" in any academic intellectual discussion of a people. Wikipedia an encyclopedia and we need to keep it that way. --Inayity (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

While I don't care for the nomenclature myself, there is the common terminology Category:Black British people or Category:Black Canadian people, not African-English or African-Canadian, for example. So, using "black" is not without precedent (see Category:Peoples of the African diaspora). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not about the terminology, it's about the scope of the article - and whether non-American people with dark skin should be added. The result is moving from an ethnicity-based list to a race-based list.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand the difference between "black" and "African-American", OWK. My point is that the usage of black to characterize ethnicity is not without precedent on Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:14, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Liz, you gave an example of Category:Black British people, which is a specific ethnicity in england. OTOH, I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim "Black", globally considered, is any sort of ethnicity.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The RfC already ended and its actual outcome was no-consensus for the current title. Hopefully this can be corrected without a formal move review. Middayexpress (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

No. First off, as we're not simply vote-counting, a 5-5 vote isn't necessarily no consensus. Aside from the fact that this isn't a category, the fact that we normally don't categorise by race is completely irrelevant to the page title. The whole point of having this list is a race-based list: if you disagree with the concept of having a race-based list, you should be going to AFD and not bothering about the page title. Using American terminology, whether informal or official, blacks/African-Americans are a racial group (and the vast majority of list entries being American demands that we view this as a primarily US topic), and WP:ENGVAR demands that we not go against local usage without exceptionally good reason. Finally, let me remind you that a no-consensus decision defaults to what the page was previously. As the RM was filed just a few days after the page was moved from "black" to "African-American", this whole pagemove process began with "black", so a "no consensus" decision would likewise end up there. Nyttend (talk) 22:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Forgot to say one thing, lest you think this a supervote. Frankly, I disagree with the decision — were I the dictator of Wikipedia, this list would consist solely of Americans, rather than being open to people from other countries. Nyttend (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

respectfully, Nyttend, "African-American" is not a race, but an ethnicity. We use the word "Race" in America, but from an academic perspective the proper term is that African-Americans form an ethnicity, and that ethnicity has little to nothing to do with some guy from Kenya who has similar skin color and hair that curls the same way.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Consensus is indeed determined in part by the quality of the arguments. However, in your rationale you wrote that the opposer's rationales for their votes were all over the place, yet overlooked that one of the main supporters argued that the list was primarily about skin color rather than "race" while the anonymous ip argued the contrary. You also suggested that we appear to have consensus for the idea that this list, as long as it exists, should include non-Americans, when I and the other opposers in fact argued the opposite of that. Also, the list was originally reserved for "African-American winners and nominees from 1929 to the present" [2], so the African-American page title was entirely consistent with that original purpose. Middayexpress (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It is a bad judgment and proof of that is the fact that the discussion is going on here by established editors. If it is split then leave the original title which beyond a shadow of a doubt is more accurate, more encyclopedic (African Americans are clearly African Americans, I have no idea what a black person is in any academic discussion). This conversation needs to be escalated to the next level and the decision reversed. excuse any assumptions I am just flying by quickly.--Inayity (talk) 19:15, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Insulting editor

Can anything be done about this insulting user on my talk page under the subject of 'Populated coastal places'. It seems he cannot write without insult. Thanks Hmains (talk) 05:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

NE2 is right; please do not continue introducing errors into articles or assuming that factual corrections are insults. Nyttend (talk) 10:49, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I am talking about the language he used on my talk page which is insulting, not his actions--you seem to just take what he says to be truth and say that I just accept his insulting languages. As far as the content, he alone seems to have this theory that populated places in Florida can be coastal places in Florida without being in a specific Florida coastal subcategory category (Atlantic, Gulf, Intercostal) because he decides they are not actually on the coast for the Florida subcategory but close enough to the coast for the Florida category. He also decides that populated places on a bay or harbor that is on the Atlantic Ocean or Gulf are not coastal places of the Atlantic or Gulf. This does not agree with the pattern in WP that such connected water bodies are part of the larger water body. Hmains (talk) 16:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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Folsom Powerhouse State Historic Park

As you know about NHRP topics more than anybody around here (and waaay more than me), could you take a look at the article. I did some severe pruning to the article. Article became more about electrical power rather than the place. The editor spent most of today adding alot of material. I'm sure when they take a look they will have alot of questions that you are better suited to answer. Bgwhite (talk) 05:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hillsborough disaster

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NRHP in Huntsville

Regarding your recent combination of Huntsville, Alabama with the surrounding county, please when there has been a merger or a split, update the progress page with that change. I just got a large output of "duplicates" between these two lists because the page wasn't updated. I'll also have to update the code for my bot since this is no longer a county I need to worry about checking duplicates in. I fixed it now, but please in the future make note of this.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, can you point me to any discussion that may have happened on the size of lists? I noticed a couple of others around the same size and am curious how these should be handled. Thanks. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 22:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

The closest I can give you is Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, New York, where discussion ensued after a list of 150+ sites was split. I'm not aware of any discussions for lists as small as Madison County AL, presumably because nobody's ever considered splitting any other lists of this size. Nyttend (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

NRHP photos in Tenn.

Let me know which counties you have completed. I was planning a drive to collect some NRHP photos this weekend, and I want to make sure I don't get counties you've already completed. Bms4880 (talk) 13:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. In the coming months, I'll be focused primarily on the swath of Tennessee between Knoxville and Nashville. I have several day-long driving excursions mapped out, though I'm not sure when I'll take each trip. Bms4880 (talk) 01:43, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any other photos of the NRHP sites in Marion County, Tennessee? I was going to swing through there tomorrow. I noticed two of the photos of South Pitt are yours. Bms4880 (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I can't get the Rhea site tomorrow, but I'll plan a Meigs trip for when I'm back in East Tenn., and I'll get the Rhea site at that time (easier to get from Meigs to Rhea than from the Sequatchie Valley to Rhea). I think I have a photo of one of those truss bridges, if I can find the folder. Bms4880 (talk) 01:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

...regarding Elize (disambiguation). For some reason, I didn't even catch the fact that the page used to be a disambiguation page that was merged (even though you would think that the {{R from merge}} template would have prompted me to realize that). Anyways, I reviewed WP:A a bit, and after reviewing it, I moved the redirect and the attributions to Elize (name), as well as put another {{Db-g6}} tag on the declined redirect. If I'm missing something, please let me know. Steel1943 (talk) 13:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

...and actually, there was no merger. The title was immediately created as a redirect; the title never had any content. Seems that tag was misleading. Oh well, I have moved the attributions anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 14:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Re Photo advice

IMO, ANYTHING showing an original structure that was integral to the town is the best, IMO. A post office, a school, a church or yes, a downtown shot that would be as close to the original as possible. Here are a few examples as you wantI will have EXTENSIVE updates soon as I just got back from McDowell County in WV and a few other places. Coal town guy (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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Bartley Mine memorial question

I do not mind the usage of PD No notice for this, as I am willing to give the copyright away if required. I very very much appreciate the positive effort and yes, effort to explain how these things work. Please do let me know if thats possible Coal town guy (talk) 12:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Weird hyphen break in WP:LABEL

I'm a bit surprised that an experienced editor like yourself "solved" the problem you encountered with a hyphen by re‑arranging the words. Different screen widths and font sizes, plus textual changes that are inevitable, means the problem never goes away. You may have simply given someone else the visual problem you fixed for yourself, and just one minor edit can give you the problem again.

I think what you want to do is use a "nonbreaking hyphen". There are two in WP:LABEL: I put them there when "hyphen‑gate" was rendered as "hyphen" linebreak "gate". (And I've deliberately used them in this response to you.) But I'm puzzled. Those are the only hyphens. Did you instead have a problem with the dashes? If so, perhaps WP:LINEBREAK is what you want. Choor monster (talk) 16:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

American politics arbitration evidence

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McTimoney

There are two possible infoboxes: alt med and school. The thing McTimoney college is most known for is promulgating the entirely pseudoscientific "McTimoney method". Oh, and for being a significant part of the reason UoW went belly-up, accrediting bogus "science" degrees. I have a real problem with "schools" that exclusively teach exploitative nonsense. Guy (Help!) 12:07, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand. My problem with the school infobox is that it asserts WP:PARITY with real schools that teach real subjects. The qualification this place offers is functionally useless other than for quacks. Guy (Help!) 15:30, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Meh. So was Dotheboys Hall. Guy (Help!) 18:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

It was a flippant remark along the lines of "I can't be arsed to argue, it's not that important". But this really comes from my experience dealing with unaccredited and other questionable institutions. They go all-out to portray themselves as schools, but they are not, at least not in the way that a real university or medical school is a school. See St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine for example. That closed down after they failed to whitewash out the GMC's ruling that their qualifications were not acceptable (at least one former student was struck off as a result, IIRC). McTimoney is a quack academy, pure and simple. They reach paediatric chiropractic, which fills me with horror, and they adhere to "straight" chiropractic, which embodies the pseudoscientific concept of the spinal subluxation complex. Their degrees were underwritten by UoW, whihc went tits-up after it was found to be validating "quackademic" courses. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Peouple trust Wikipedia, and we should be very clear that what is taught in this establishment is not medicine, and is not reality-based. It's basically a training academy for systematised medical fraud, unfortunately. Guy (Help!) 18:48, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I would like for all limitations on my editing the article "Armenians in Cyprus" to be lifted.

Hello. I would like for all my limitations on editing this article to be lifted. There are certain developments which must go into Wikipedia and there are also some mistakes/oversights that need to be corrected. The fact that I am currently the only expert on the field (Alexander-Michael Hadjilyra) only makes this more imperative. Neo ^ (talk) 08:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Cotopaxi as world's highest active volcano (not)

I saw your comments at Talk:Cotopaxi regarding the recent edit war, and thought you should know that you are simply wrong, for reasons I discuss at length in my response there. There is no controversy about the statement that Cotopaxi is not the world's highest active volcano, at least among people actually in the field; as I point out, it is not possible even to assert that no higher volcano has erupted since Cotopaxi's latest eruption, as Sabancaya, about 200 feet higher, certainly erupted as recently as 2000, and maybe even 2013. The literature is full of references to other high Andean volcanoes active in the last 70 years as well. The statement that Cotopaxi is the world's highest active volcano is historic in nature (I remember reading it as a kid 50 years ago), is rooted partly in nationalistic passions (Ecuador is by no means the only South American country that collectively thumps their chest and proclaims Ecuadorean things the best/highest/whateverest) and partly in the fact that modern observational techniques weren't available 50 years ago, and has been superseded by more recent studies of Andean volcanoes. It does WP readers no service to propagate this myth, which is also being propagated at some other places that should know better if they would simply read the scientific literature. We have access to that literature and can use it to replace myth with reality, so why pretend there is "debate" when there is none, at least among people who actually know what they're talking about? -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy grousing

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Reno television IPV6 jumper

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An SPI

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Template:Jackie Chan Films

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Request for comment

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El Señor de los Cielos

Hi!

I'll make this short. A registered editor has reverted my edits in this article because, according to him, the episode count cannot be updated until the series ends. No such rule exists! And I even provided a source to prove that my edit has been constructive. 74 episodes for season 1, plus 3 for season 2 = 77 in total. Why put 154 episodes have aired when in fact that number of episodes don't exist? Ricardo80 (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, he began with his absurd edit wars. Want to use wikipedia as a daily news site or a page of daily video update it every day, it is not known how many episodes will the series, po what does not make sense to continue updating it daily, also makes readers confused. I set the parameter (in emission) so that I fit better, since it is unknown how many chapters will.--Jorge Horan (talk) 07:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Mountain Lakes geography stubs

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WikiConference USA 2014

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014_WikiConference_USA_(Group_L)_25.JPG is the better group conference photo Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you were one of the people I met at the wiki conference. Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

El Señor de los Cielos 2

Hello user apparently Ricardo80, wants to continue the same, I have explained my reasons in the discussion of the article and he has not said anything, and apparently wants to continue in the same. So I ask for your help. Thanks--Jorge Horan (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Editions of other users were wrong, I see the series and anything that have placed them is true. I gave my reasons in the discussion of the article and Ricardo80 did nothing, so I put the item as it was before.--Jorge Horan (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Your post to WP:AE

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Solar Roadways

Please put a watch on Solar Roadways article. Thanks! • Sbmeirow • Talk • 01:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Can you please talk to your friend?

He continues to delete exhaustively referenced information.[3] Do you think Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard is the next step if he won't work with the community? Igottheconch (talk) 13:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Note that Igottheconch is now blocked a sockpuppet, the same guy posing as him and Wholesomegood. Dream Focus 07:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft article on userpage

I saw this edit. Can you please move the "draft" to a sandbox or subpage then? As it stands, it's a WP:FAKEARTICLE. Please ping me in reply. Thanks. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Evansville Wiknic 2014

It's time to start planning our Wiknic! This year Evansville is hosting. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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question clarification

I meant children who are not upper class. Thank you for your note and your help! 184.147.127.96 (talk) 00:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you again for your clarification. I meant to exclude the children in the Nesbit books so I suppose I mean whatever the name is for below middle class. Working class?  184.147.127.96 (talk) 00:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Jorge Horan

I issued a final warning to Jorge Horan about edit warring, and then saw you had already warned him about edit warring ... I wanted to solicit your advice - he and another user have been edit warring here, and I was unsure as to whether I should protect the page (I warned both), block anyone, etc. Horan has a history (he requested page protection at RFPP, I have yet to investigate the other user, but as you had already warned Horan, I wanted to bring you into the conversation). Thanks. Go Phightins! 21:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I did end up blocking. Go Phightins! 20:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

the pic problem in zhwiki

Hello. I saw your comment in zhwiki so I try to help here. Can you tell me more details about the problem?--Snorri (talk) 06:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Goustaff

Any objections to unblocking based on this latest request? OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:16, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy keep of Template:Geographic reference

If you don't mind, what was your policy rationale for the speedy keep? I've already listed it as an RFC just so you know. No one actually voted for a keep on the template, so you can't really argue WP:SNOW (which came up last time). If the template were voted delete, it would simply go to Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Holding_cell for the next few years likely and I'm certain that the in-line citations (while hundreds if not thousands) are not disruptive more than evidence of its overuse. Further, I don't think the standards set by WikiProjects should overrule overall general policy and I think it would be poor form for administrators to close all discussions based on whether or not various WikiProjects would find it disruptive. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

IF you don't mind, I don't know what WikiProjects you were speaking of so please feel free to publicize Template_talk:Geographic_reference#rfc_5B71C8A. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 14:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

You are mentioned on Solar Roadways talk page as supporting something being in the article.

Talk:Solar_Roadways#There_is_no_consensus you are mentioned as possibly supporting something in the article, but I don't read your words as saying that. Please clarify. Dream Focus 06:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• I clarified in a response to your message there which of the cost quotes we were discussing being in the article, it nothing to do with other cost information from various media. Dream Focus 06:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Mao Zedong Thought

Response to your denial of page move: Talk:Mao_Zedong_Thought

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File:2030 FIFA World Cup Logo.jpg

Hi, regarding File:2030 FIFA World Cup Logo.jpg you asked "why must this be a hoax?". I did write my explanation on file talk and GSD G3 says "including images intended to misinform" which is what this image is. It was used to inform readers that World cup would be in Argentina here (immediately reverted) and the user has a loooong history of soing this with images. Now he did same thing for 2026. Just look at contribs and talk for Georgie 20 (talk · contribs). I would appreciate if you who knows about image took a look at the editor and perhaps inform him/her. QED237 (talk) 23:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

You are probably right, I am not to familiar with the speedy deletion but I thought it seemed right. My bad, I will remember this next time, there is always something one can learn. I will also take a look at the editor (I hope you may to) because the edits from that person are very often no good and he/she gets reverted by someone all the time. QED237 (talk) 23:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Suburb

I'll look into it. I'll check the caption of the image, and if it seems inappropriate I'll remove it WhisperToMe (talk) 03:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, using http://mdbg.net I found the description is saying it's a suburban Washington Township (the MDBG says "Washington DC" but I know what's intended) Honda factory: "郊區因為空間廣大土地低價也有大型工廠的設置(圖為華盛頓郊區HONDA工廠)" and that it's in the suburbs due to the space. I'll just remove it with the words "no source" or something to that effect. When I take photos of stuff I like to photograph the entrance signs to show proof that something is what it is supposed to be WhisperToMe (talk) 03:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW the school does offer Japanese: http://hs.benjaminlogan.org/cms/One.aspx?portalId=155294&pageId=780148 - and the only other one is Spanish: http://hs.benjaminlogan.org/cms/One.aspx?portalId=155294&pageId=780151 WhisperToMe (talk) 03:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

He probably wasn't familiar with the word zh:乡 (美国) which seems to be the best translation of township WhisperToMe (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC

Hello you commented on Solar Roadways. I wanted to let you know about a Request for Comment that is going on right now:

RfC: Should the cost to cover the entire USA be included?

We welcome your comments. Thank you. Wholesomegood (talk) 04:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I will try a challenge

Hey there, I am of course awaiting the coal town pics, love those places, I started a blog on their photography and history, HOWEVER, I wanted to ask your advice...THIS is an outdated POV wreck...I have stated my concerns on the talk page. Given my user name, there could be a presumption that my editing will be biased, which I strive to NOT do. HOWEVER, I have done some generic fixes, my questions are do we honestly need to discuss community service of a corporation in regards to its performance.....especially given its role in a few fatal mining disasters? My position as it were is to remove the section and stick to the facts.......What say you?Coal town guy (talk) 14:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

DQ

Hi Nyttend. FYI, regarding this, DQ is still a CU. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 18:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Replied also on my talk but the logs are here. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 19:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Motor Mill

Re: User talk:Ipoellet#How'd you notice this?: Tingling Spidey senses? No, it's just that Iowa is one of a handful states I specifically pay attention to each week when the Weekly List comes out - mostly states where I've lived. You got to Motor Mill before me today, so when I got to that list to update it and found the update done, I just proofed it quick. — Ipoellet (talk) 01:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Lackey KY

Hey, My brain just came on...yay, Lackey KY, in Floyd County is no longer a red link....found the zip code associated with it as well. GOOS pics, its nice to see a person capture character in any remote place..Many tanksCoal town guy (talk) 16:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

🇨🇳 listed at Redirects for discussion

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Bucking Bull

You speedied this new article, and while I'm not the author, I've just noticed it popping up as a red link at User:AlexNewArtBot/AustraliaSearchResult. It's a national food chain, and Wikipedia has articles on most of its competitors. I can't see the original article, and it very possibly was really crap, but I think the subject is pretty clearly notable, and I was wondering if you might undelete. The Drover's Wife (talk) 04:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Ta! The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Geographic references

You need to save it again. They are going to destroy te entire encylopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.216.34 (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

More and better Squier and Davis images?

Hello Nyttend. I saw that you had a discussion a few years back with User:Heironymous Rowe about adding Squier and Davis images to Commons. I'm thinking of trying to add some more and wondered if you had any thoughts. Rupert Clayton (talk) 23:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. That was helpful. It seems like this would be worthwhile. And I should probably get some advice from image editors in the lab at Commons before I invest too much time in this. Cheers. Rupert Clayton (talk) 05:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

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Western Nigeria

I'm sorry if it came across as though I was criticising you. I totally agree with the deletion, and I had indeed already given him a final warning. I just don't think this user really knows what he is doing. I get the sense that he is probably unable to tell the difference between facts and misinformation that someone else may be feeding him. But of course I could be completely wrong! Deb (talk) 14:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Colorblindness tools

I'm working on a graphic in the Workshop which I want to make useful to colorblind viewers. Could you please tell me if there are tools that would flag the graphic-under-development for comment by colorblind editors? My apologies for the length and disorder of the section; the mention of your username is in the immediately relevant context. HLHJ (talk) 19:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply. I'm sorry I didn't specify exactly what I wanted at WP:GL; it was this map I wanted checked.

Ought I to post to Wikipedia:Requested templates? You have more experience in this than I. If templates are the best structure for this purpose, what do you think would be the most useful template set: a review request and an "unclear colours, please fix" flag?

HLHJ (talk) 19:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)