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Craig, Alaska

The effect of a Wiki article linking to itself is bold-facing, I updated the (2) self-links to Craig, Alaska instead.

I see you are a "destructive" rather than "constructive" Wiki?

If you took the time to go to the official City of Craig, Alaska website, (which was a link you deleted) most of the article contents you deleted (like their mayor, etc.) come directly from their official web site. Some others items (transportation/utilities) come from the other Wiki Prince of Wales island and South-East Alaska airports articles.

It is my understanding that if you have an issue with an article or any specific contents, that you are supposed to "flag" or "tag" specific items appropriately, rather than mass deletes?

What is your "point" or intent? LeheckaG (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You cost me a lot of time (a few hours). I was in the process of updating, and received edit conflicts because you went back in a couple of times and "un-did" what I was working on. Personally, I do not believe in deleting or over-writing other peoples' contributions, so it then takes a long time to manually go through different versions and manually merge content from different versions together. Because of your actions you are fostering an environment where other people will not take the time either and I am reaching the limit of my patience to take the time to carefully go through manual merges. FYI - I had added "Founded" as a placeholder while I was looking the date and reference up, should be "Settled" and 1907. Why do people insist on deleting information rather than either looking it up or corroborating a reference? LeheckaG (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Official State of Alaska Boroughs (including the official "Unorganized Borough") versus U.S. Census Bureau Areas:

• The Census page you cited is titled "Significant Changes to Counties and County Equivalent Entities: 1970-Present"

So the Census Bureau has published that Alaskan Boroughs (including the officially named "Unorganized" one) are indeed "Counties" from their view.

If you search through Alaska Statutes 2007, there are (24) references to "Census",

and (in general) Alaska has been intentionally careful to only say "census" when referring to counting people.

The few mentions of census geography are only when required by federal law (election/legislative redistricting and federal economic assistance).

Not to say "Census Area" or "Census Designated Area", instead saying "Census Division" or "Census District",

again ONLY when referring to the geography of the people the Census Bureau counted.

To say otherwise would be to transfer some of Alaska's powers, rights and sovereignty to a branch of the federal government

which has no such rights by law (either federal or Alaska state).

• If you go the other way around:

Google site:Census.Gov +"Unorganized Borough"

you receive 14 results where the Census Bureau acknowledges that the "Unorganized Borough" is an official legal entity found only in Alaska,

and Alaskan Boroughs are equivalent to U.S. Counties elsewhere.

• If you search through United States Code, Title--13 Census

   * CHAPTER 1--ADMINISTRATION
   * CHAPTER 3--COLLECTION AND PUBLICATION OF STATISTICS
   * CHAPTER 5--CENSUSES
   * CHAPTER 7--OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
   * CHAPTER 9--COLLECTION AND PUBLICATION OF FOREIGN COMMERCE AND TRADE STATISTICS
   * CHAPTER 10--EXCHANGE OF CENSUS INFORMATION

for "area", you will find no legal authority or basis for such an "area" in United States Code.

Other Title 13--Census sections refer back to:

Chapter 5--CENSUSES, SUBCHAPTER V--GEOGRAPHIC SCOPE, PRELIMINARY AND SUPPLEMENTAL STATISTICS, AND USE OF SAMPLING,

Sec. 191. Geographic scope of censuses.

for any issues regarding area, geography, scope ...

Census (designated) Areas are an "abstract invention" of the U.S. Census Bureau and have NO legal basis in United States Code or Alaska Statutes.

• I agree that "Census (designated) Areas" are useful in terms of understanding population or other legal statistics,

but they are not a legal/official civil-subdivision.

• Regarding placing Census "abstract inventions" (Census Areas, Metropolitan Statistical Areas, ...) in an InfoBox:

All OTHER official U.S., State, County/Borough, Township, Municipality should be placed in the InfoBox.

Provided that it is properly footnoted, A Census "abstraction" item (CA/CDP/MSA...) can be placed among them

at the appropriate level (In Craig's case, Unorganized Borough completely contains the CA, and the CA contains City of Craig)

• Census abstractions typically only affect local (State/Borough-County/Township/Municipality) law for either federal electoral redistricting

or for federal financial assistance.

• I agree that the Census is a valuable source of information, but Wiki contributors are giving too much of their sovereignty to the Census Bureau.

LeheckaG (talk) 08:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Burlington, Ohio

Goodness what a mess. Looks like a POV fork to me. I agree that it makes no sense to have two articles on the place and would suggest either asking for a Third Opinion or opening an RFC. My strong hunch is that either process would agree that there should be one article, the CDP. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Burlington Elementary School address,

per "Burlington Elementary School" (HTML). South Point Local School District.

Burlington Elementary School

8781 County Road 1

South Point, OH 45680

Yes, checking it now, I realize that it is on the "other side" of Burlington.

With the exception of the elementary school,

The South Point school district improvements are more appropriately moved to the South Point article,

and cited by reference. LeheckaG (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Communities in New Jersey

As you continue creating NJ community articles, you might find this page useful: a list of all redlinked New Jersey communities with ZIP Codes. Nyttend (talk) 11:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• I've created articles using Census Bureau ZCTA for these communities as I find them redlinked in articles. I went through the redlinked ZIP coes on your page and found that the there is Census data for the 08011, 08032, 08038, 08073, 08089, 08245, 08313, 08340, 08341, 08346, 08514, 08535, 08735, 08835, 08887 ZIP codes. This will help in future article creation. Thanks for reaching out. Alansohn (talk) 12:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Zipinfo.com

In removing several links to fizber.com, I came across and deleted several similar-looking links to zipinfo.com, only to find there were quite a few of them. I don't get their notability in being added to so many articles...is the website from the USPS or some other government website? Thanks. Flowanda | Talk 08:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation CA, CDP, MSA ... from other historical-legal-official entities

In my view, if a page is primarily relying on a Census abstraction,

then it needs to be titled such:

• "Burlington CDP, Ohio"

which is what the Census Bureau officially calls it (from FactFinder.Census.Gov, search "Burlington" and "Ohio").

• CA, CDP, MSA, ... need to be REQUIRED in such census-derived Wiki long-official article names/titles.
• Shorter "common" Wiki redirects can redirect to such a "Census abstraction" page.

Like I do NOT object to "Burlington, Ohio" redirecting to "Burlington CDP, Ohio";

But I do STRONGLY object to a "Census"-derived article being "officially" titled "Burlington, Ohio"

If or when such a Census abstraction article mentions a particular place, like town of "Burlington",

then it should at least list the other such "places" within the CA, CDP, or MSA.

• I am still "digging" but it appears Burlington CDP also includes: town of Brookdale, town of Walnut Park;

not sure whether town of Brayfield (I am guessing that it does, but still researching ...)

or any portions of either: Village of South Point, or Sybene fall inside the Burlington CDP?

Yes, it is not "easy" to check County/State/Township records against the Census,

but that is the point...

• I can confidently say that "Burlington CDP, Ohio" is NOT the same as "Burlington, Ohio",

I do not dispute that "Burlington, Ohio" is probably completely contained within the "Burlington CDP, Ohio".

(unless local/Ohio records later turn up something to the contrary).

Similarly, I have do NOT have any issue with any article citing Census data, or

Infoboxes including Census CA, CDP, MSA, ... but they need to "Footnote" Cnote/Cref such inclusions.

• I updated Craig, Alaska so that the Prince of Wales-Outer Ketchikan Census Area is in the Infobox (after the Borough).

I understand that "Towns" (Populated Places) are an extremely fuzzy area.

• The official source for any information about them are old County and Township Recorder archives (mostly paper/microfiche/film).
• My concern is that any article clearly disambiguate what they are referring to, and

when areas represent distinct sets (in the mathematical graph sense),

whether they are disjoint/subsets/supersets,

every reference then needs to clearly and unambiguously state which it is referring to.

Every statement needs to be clear which it refers to: Census or historical/local "government/organization".

The issue I see is that it is "easy" to cut and paste Census statistics,

while it is more difficult to research the County Recorder and (state) Secretary of State official archives.

I agree that the Census is authoritative for population and demographics, and

that Census boundaries need to be stated/taken into account when quoting population and demographics.

But it is flat out "wrong" to go the other way around:

citing a Census "boundary" and then citing other statistics (other than population/demographics).

• It is more proper to cite something relative to something else within the CDP boundaries.

Like if a populated place was/is within a CA, CDP, or MSA; then you can cite appropriate references relative to it,

but to attribute something to the Census abstraction (other than population/demographics) is inaccurate.

• I do not have a problem with taking a Census boundary, and then finding out what is inside of it,

then clearly and properly attributing it to a historical/legal/official entity within the boundary.

What I object to is attributing something, other than population/demographic statistics, to the CDP abstraction;

Unless they are identically the same, it is wrong to loosely intermix "Name" and "Name CDP" information

without clearly disambiguating which "entity" you are referring to.

LeheckaG (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

• Dear LeheckaG, Wikipedia works by consensus. There are articles on virtually every CDP in the United States and all of them I am aware of do not include "CDP" in the article title. See for example the listing for Ohio at Category:Census-designated places in Ohio or the much broader Category:Census-designated places in the United States. Just because you do not like it, does not change the consensus. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

There are some CDPs with (CDP) in their names, but (except for Covedale, which needs to be changed) all are in Wisconsin, New York, or New England, where the towns within which the CDPs are located can also have the same name. In this case, the (CDP) is included only because there's another entity (village [only in WI, NY, or VT], city, or town) in the same county with the same name, and it needs to be distinguished. It's not like here in Ohio, where the only time we need to disambiguate is between counties, and where the townships have "Township" in their names. Nyttend (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. LeheckaG also posted on my page, but I will point out here too that by LeheckaG's logic (following the Census name) then, for example, Ironton, Ohio should be renamed to Ironton city, Ohio - see here and all city, village, and borough articles should be renamed as well. There is also the Wiki principle that an article should be listed under the most common name. Adding CDP to everything does not make sense. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I have issues with Census abstractions not being clearly named and ambiguously mixing Census abstractions with "real life" data.

• Ohio also has an "Ironton Junction" (Populated Place) in Jackson County.
• For "Ironton, Ohio", I do not object to the article being titled "Ironton, Ohio".

"Ironton, Ohio" should have an "other" template at the top mentioning "Ironton Junction, Ohio in Jackson County"

or referring to the "Ironton" article (disambiguation).

• "Ironton, Ohio" in Lawrence County's official name is "City of Ironton"

(which should at least be in the Infobox "official name" field)

• On the "Ironton, Ohio" article, the official city site is in links, but the official site link is not in the Infobox.

• "Burlington, Ohio" is only 50 acres (0.078 sq mi), not 1.4 square miles (900 acres) as the Census states (about the Burlington CDP).

If you claim Burlington, Ohio is 1.4 square miles, then please provide a detailed accounting for the remaining 846 acres (1.322 sq mi).

• My point is that your choice is either:

• Create an article about the CDP "abstraction" using Census provided statistics, and Name it accordingly - CDP.
• Do actual gathering of information from real Ohio archives and Name it "Burlington, Lawrence County, Ohio" (the 13 Burlington's issue)

What is the point of transcribing readily-available data (Census) without either providing added value by organizing it better,

or gathering information from obscure or difficult to locate official sources?

LeheckaG (talk) 18:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Jm0371

Hi Nyttend, I just left a note on the talk page of a our new mutual friend. All of Jm0371's image uploads are listed here and the maps in question are of counties in West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana. They remind me of maps I have seen before and the odd mottled dark red shade looks like a glitch with MS Paint, but I can't find them online. I think they may be maps colored by hand. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Zips in the red

User:Nyttend/ZIP/NJ is an excellent list, are you from New Jersey? We used to have a Ukrainian Festival here each year, and last year it stopped. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Creek question

Hi Nyttend, as I was reading your note I thought of the Cowanesque River as soon as I read "Conesque". I looked at some maps and think it makes the most sense. It is in the Susquehanna River watershed, although it is in the Chemung River subbasin and is not a direct tributary of the Susquehanna. The other thing is that back then the names were spelled many different ways, so creek and river were often interchanged and the "official" spelling might be quite odd back then too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Choess seems to have found definite proof on my talk page. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack

I've undone your edit here per WP:LEDE and MOS:BOLD: If the article topic does not have a commonly accepted name, but is merely descriptive, the title does not need to appear in the first sentence, and is not bolded if it does. Also per Wikipedia:Stop bolding everything (an essay). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wagoner County, OK template

I just wanted to say thanks for reverting the Wagoner County, Oklahoma template back to the earlier version that included the multiple county footnote. --Acntx (talk) 14:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Alaska native and homeowners corporations

Depends on what data the Census Bureau has:

• Alexander Alaska is incorporated in Alaska as a "Native Village Corporation".

There are a handful of (13?) Nation Regional Corporations, and a "Native Village Corporation" for each Native Village which filed under the federal ANCSA.

Alexander is another variety of incorporated Community/Settlement in Alaska.

• Alaska Natives a.k.a. American Indians and Eskimos have special status in Alaska.

Alexander is one of the "left-outs" communities where CIRI Cook Inlet Regional Corporation applied and got theirs first,

and communities like Alexander, are expected to get theirs through CIRI, and CIRI is unwilling to "share".

In South-Eastern, Alaska it is a little less of an issue,

because SEA Alaska Corporation (another native regional) had voted to "share" with their leftouts.

I saw a bunch of updates and have not gone through them, this was the first "glaring" thing I noticed.

---

Thank You, for deleting and redirecting Dinglishna Hills ... to Dinglishna Hills, Alaska. I tried to delete and redirect it before and someone else had put it back.

Dinglishna Hills is another (common?) example where Alaska Department of Natural Resources did in fact legally incorporate them in the form of a "Homeowner's Association", when it was surveyed, platted, and recorded with the Anchorage Recorder. Details are on file with Department of Natural Resources - Anchorage Recorder's office.

For Alaska, their are two Recorder's with jurisdiction:

• the United States Government - which usually but not always uses the General Land Office of the BLM

(they also use other Government agencies depending on the Statute under which land transactions occur)

• State of Alaska Department of Natural Resources acts as the "County Recorder" in each Borough

(which makes things a lot more organized and relatively simpler than other U.S. jurisdictions) LeheckaG (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

South-East Alaska FYI

South-East Alaska is composed of many islands, and there are more miles of shoreline than roads.

"Water", the Inside Passage is the major road, so Nautical Charts and directions by water (or floatplane), are more important than Census data.

Please restore any nautical information and external links you deleted.

(From a South-East Alaskan, Former North-East Ohioan) LeheckaG (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

We (South-Eastern Alaska) have 1,100 islands in the Alexander Archipelago

spread across about 300 miles.

Alaska between all the islands in the Aleutians (Alaska Peninsula) and Alexander Archipelago a.k.a. "Panhandle" has over 34,000 miles of shoreline and very few roads.

We take our aeronautical and nautical information seriously, so please do NOT delete it or links to it and restore what you deleted. LeheckaG (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Max Noble

May I ask you what makes him noteable? Hubschrauber729 (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The suggestion to delete this page by the challenger for the reason given is ludicrous.

""The LaFayette Jackson-Veterans Organization is incorporated in the State of Ohio as the "LaFayette-Jackson Veterans Organization" signed by the Ohio Secretary of State. LaFayette, Ohio has changed dramatically because of the items cited in this article. The suggestion that article should be removed because there are no noteworthy resources validated our existence is alarming. LaFayette, Ohio is a very small village of only about 300 people. Our veterans organization has about 25 members, with 7 to 8 very active. Considering the size of the village, that is is a large percentage. The veterans organization is a very integral part of this village. In order to have a complete profile of the village of LaFayette, Ohio, The activities and history of the LaFayette Jackson Veterans Organization and the LaFayette Jackson Historical Society must be recorded here. Wikipedia Editors have also challenged the spelling of LaFayette based on research which does not include the official records of the village. (Yes Properly Spelled with a capital "F") They are also challenging and denying that the village nickname is Patriot City USA, again based on arbitrary reasons without checking into the villages records. It is time for wikipedia to examine LaFayette, Ohio Village documents before making these statements based on research that does not include official village documents. I challenge you to contact the village council at 225 E Sugar Lafayette, OH 45854 (419) 649-8801 to get the information you need to verify what I have been saying here is true before you delete this page. Ljvo (talk) 03:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Carter

Carter's typical pronunciation was /ˌnukjuˈliər/, rather than /ˈnukjulər/. —SlamDiego_←T 07:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Census boundaries (Burlington, OH)

Let me apologize for just getting to your message. I have had serious computer problems over the last few days. I did attempt to check your reference, but was unable to access it. I wish I could have been of more assistance. --Acntx (talk) 08:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Kansas counties

Some counties had the template, most don't. Admittedly I don't know how to edit the template, but if it's still gathering and displaying 2006 estimates instead of 2007, the template should be changed (or just leave my '07 updates in place and the estimates can be updated manually). Normal View (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Maine Orphans

Wow -- Thanks for clearing all those up. Yes, please feel free to delete that user subpage. -- Avocado (talk) 13:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Winnebago County, Wisconsin template

Hi- I started an article-Eureka, Winnebago County, Wisconsin. I tried adding it to the Winnebago County, Wisconsin template and it did not take hold. My apologies. I goof! Thanks- RFD (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it-RFD (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

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Lake County, Oregon

Thank's, Nyttend! The county templates of English Wikipedia are much goods. Greetings! Felipe P 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Summersville, Kentucky

What is the purpose of this article?--WillC 08:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I was just wondering because I live in that town and I was surprised that a article about a very small town was even made.--WillC 21:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I have a picture but I'm not sure exactly what kind would be best. It is easy for me to take the picture since I live right in the middle of town. Mainly the only things that would be alright to take a picture of is the Summersville Elementary School and maybe the Summersville Baptist Church. The best time would be during the big parade day that we have down here. It is called Summersville Days. We have a parade, a cook out, games, alot of stuff. It is in a few weeks. I believe the the 19th or 26th. I can take a picture just need to know what would need to be captured.--WillC 05:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe a good spot to take a picture of would be what I think is the town square. It is where the main road that goes through town meets the Bank, the School, and the gas station where everyone is always at. The only other place would be a small goods store and the Church I spoke of earlier.--WillC 05:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Birthday!

Thanks, much appreciated! ;) ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 09:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Towns/cities

Thanks for the heads up. I get a bit bleary-eyed when doing semi-repetivitve work, and brackets sneak in. On the towns vs. cities issue, I completely understand your viewpoint. My rationale is that the articles should have as much up-to-date information as possible. While the 2000 census is the last official count, and I agree that the yearly census estimates should be left out, the census change list does indicate that these town have officially been upgraded/downgraded, which is why i was trying to add the ref link to each article. I would like to continue on this, but have no problem leaving it alone, but I'm not too keen on having to leave it until 2010/11 for the next census. Is there a policy on this or has this been discussed elsewhere I might have missed?

Thanks again! 25or6to4 (talk) 19:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense and clears up a lot. I didn't realize I had done that. That will make things easier so I won't have to change as much. I will keep working at it, probably one state at a time. Thanks again! 25or6to4 (talk) 20:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Painesville twp

my grandparents live there , painesville city is seperate from painesville twp. By my understanding and others i have talked to it sounds like you are saying painesville is in painesville twp. Cedarpointohio2 (talk) 01:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Virginia communities

What, and write a whole extra three words? You have to be kidding me ;)

I'd be happy to...but only 'cause you asked nice. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, and it's my pleasure. Once I got into it I was amazed at how many places were missing - I added all of the towns in Madison County, Virginia, save two, for instance. Hell, I've been to Criglersville and Banco. I know they're there. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Iowa historical populations

Yes it is :). Psychless 14:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Zip Codes, Post Offices, and such

I’m inspired by your New Jersey Community efforts. I’m trying to do the same for unicorporated communities in North Dakota. I have a few thoughts or observations I wanted your opinion on.

First, I understand User:Alansohn above commenting on using Census Zip Code Tabulation Areas as a source for community demographic data. That’s a good rough estimate, but it probably shouldn’t be the only source. The data covers the entire zip code, which often exceeds the city boundaries. For example, Lefor, North Dakota, 58641, is listed has having an area of 82 square miles if you base it off just the ZCTA. As someone who has driven through Lefor, I guarantee it isn’t 82 square miles. We would need to be cautious in how we word it so we aren’t implying that “population of zip code = population of city.” Also, the ZCTA does not always equal the exact boundaries of the corresponding USPS zip code[ http://www.census.gov/geo/ZCTA/zctafaq.html#Q14]. ZCTA’s are census inventions based on actual zip codes, but aren’t equal.

Secondly, many communities share a zip code. This is more common for unincorporated communities, but it is true even for incorporated cities. Gascoyne, ND and Scranton, ND both are zip code 58653. That’s the primary zip for Scranton, but Gascoyne is a valid city for addressing purposes. Gascoyne used to be 58629, but its post office closed in 1982 with mail to Scranton. Using zip code data from the census would give population for both the cities and the surrounding countryside. Third, many articles on communities state “even though it’s unincorporated, it has a post office with a zip code of XXXXX.” Again, Gascoyne doesn’t have its own separate zip code or a post office. Lefor, on the other hand, does have its own zip, but its post office closed in 2002. People either have rural route mail service, but has to drive to Gladstone 12 miles north to visit a physical post office. A zip code does not automatically mean a post office exists. The lede of these articles should probably be rewritten as such.

Finally, I found the details on old zip codes from the U.S. Postal Service’s Postmaster Finder. It has good information on historical post offices and zip codes. Thought it would help you out.

Cheers.Dcmacnut (talk) 20:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Dorchester

Hi, I didn't know whether the information I added was of any use, but I put it on anyway. Thanks for removing it. About the township, do you know which on it is exactly. My thought was the Waterloo township, based on the township maps provided. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 02:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what township it is; I would guess Waterloo, but I've not seen any maps showing Dorchester's location and the township lines, and I don't have any detailed IA atlas like I do for IN, OH, PA, and WV. Nyttend (talk) 03:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

5th Infantry Regiment (United States)

Now that you've become my personal editor (lol). Please see the referenced page. I've added some data to this page, and noticed the references are messed up. I'm not sure how to fix them... RickH86 (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought references were supposed to be numbered. The reference tagged as [1] in the text is the third one listed under references, and the references list is not numbered at all. RickH86 (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Waycross, Georgia

I'm not exactly sure why you went to Waycross, Georgia page and added that is in Pierce County, and went to the Pierce County page and added that Waycross is a city in it. But for whatever reason you were misinformed. The city limits of Waycross ends within Ware county, about 2 miles away from where Ware County and Pierce County border each other. I reverted.Swampfire (talk) 16:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I can tell you without a doubt that map is wrong. For starters I live in that section that the maps shows as on the line. And I am in Ware County not Waycross. The map also shows Deenwood as being very close to the Pierce line and in the city. When in fact it is on the westside, outside of the city, in the county. That map is wrong. Also especially in theat area. The counties of Pierce and Ware are divided by the Satilla river. The entire city of Waycross is surrounded by Ware county on the outside of it. Please supply documention(not a map) stating that Waycross is in Pierce. ThanksSwampfire (talk) 23:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok now I am providing you with Pierce County's page on the georgia government website.[1] First off on the map on the main page it shows you the bottom left side boundry is the river as I stated. Secondly on their page it clearly states all the cities and towns within Pierce County(which are Blackshear (County Seat), Bristol, Mershon, Offerman, and Patterson. As I stated make sure you have proper information before making such an accusation. Also try calling the number on the page an asking them about Waycross being in Pierce County. I will be removing it all again. Please do not add it back unless you can provide valid citations that refute What Pierce County itself states.Swampfire (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure if this link [2] would be of any help in the discussion, but it shows that on January 1, 1990, there was a boundary change between Ware and Pierce counties. Since Census Bureau's latest population estimates [3] show that 9 people live in the Pierce County portion of Waycross, I think that it should be noted. --Acntx (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

First of all, Waycross is a City, and what I pointed out about the Pierce county site is Cities and Towns of which The CITY of Waycross, Ga is not a part, not small communities within the cities or towns, these are all small communties within the cities and towns (Hacklebarney is a small community in Blackshear), (Jot Em Down Store is a small community in Bristol), (Otter Creek is a small community in Patterson), (Sandy Bottom is a small community in Bristol), (Walkerville is a small community in Blackshear). The portion in question by the census bureau is a small area that pays their bills in Waycross and get their mail from Waycross post office. Because running their stuff over the bridge from Waycross was alot closer than running it from Blackshear. So they were given Waycross mailing address' but they pay all taxes as Blackshear and Pierce County. There is also an area in Brantley County that has Waycross mailing address' for the same reason. But the area not in Waycross. This article is about The City of Waycross, Ga. And the city of Waycross falls completely within Ware County. If you would like to make a small paragraph on the descrepency and place it in the article feel free(with valid citations). I am telling you this because I know for a fact that other people from this area will remove it all the time. But we know where the city limits area, and county lines. And this would be considered controversial material, not to you but to people in both Pierce and Ware Counties. But they way you are trying to include makes it seem as though Waycross is a City that is shared by both counties. Which it is not.Swampfire (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

As Nyttend knows, I'm a bit of a geography buff and self-proclaimed expert on all this Census-related, so I thought I'd weigh in. I'm all for relying on local knowledge when discrepancies crop up, but official, reliable sources clearly indicate part of the city extends into Pierce County (whether not residents pay Pierce taxes, vote in Pierce elections, etc). The Census Bureau gets its boundary data from annual boundary surveys of state, county, and local governments, which is based on official information provided by the local government officials. Someone in the local government must have submitted the information on Waycross, being partially in Pierce County to the Census Bureau. Otherwise, the Census Bureau wouldn't be showing it. Below are some reliable sources on this matter.

• The 1990 Census, under "Geographic Changes" on Page 15 of this Population and Housing Unit Counts document says "Annexed into Pierce County: Waycross city"
• This table, for Pierce County, indicates that Waycross is indeed part of Pierce County. However, the 2000 Census indicates no population in that portion of the city. As User:Acntx indicated above, it now has a population of 9.
• The Census 2007 Tiger-line shapefiles still show part of Waycross as being in Pierce County, Blackshear CCD (Census County Division).
• The Geographic Names Information System, the official arbiter of place names in the U.S., shows the City of Waycross in both counties.
• The Georgia Municipal Association also has indicates, indirectly, that Waycross is in both counties. The page for Waycross only mentions Ware County, but under State House Districts, it says the city lies within Districts 177 and 178, which according to the map of current Georgia State House Districts places the city in Ware County (District 177) and Pierce County (District 178).

Given this information, I think it the article merits mention of Waycross extending into Pierce County, however it should be worded to respect local tradition and common use.Dcmacnut (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point I do not mind it making that point say in a section. But as he has it worded it makes seem as The City of Waycross is split between Ware County and Pierce County. There is one little piece of land in between That has Waycross/Ware Co. mailing address because it was easier to supply everything from the Waycross side. While they still have to pay all thee taxes as Blackshear and Pierce County. That causes this discrepency. However the same thing happens on the Brantley County border. Just over into Brantley County everyone has Waycross mailing address' and gets their utilities from Waycross, even though that community is about 5 miles from the city of Waycross, and in another county. So I say again I don't mind that portion being included but it should not be considered a city in Pierce it is more of a community, And on the Waycross page it should not read like the city is split between the counties. So I agree with you Dcmacnut. If he insists on it being there it should be worded better. Or just included in a seperate section on the page.Swampfire (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The city is split between the counties: although it's primarily in Ware, of course, the city limits do extend into Pierce. It's not just that locals in Pierce County have Waycross mailing addresses. Nyttend (talk) 20:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand Swampfire's concerns, but Nyttend is correct about the standard way we describe for multi-county cities. It also doesn't matter that the resident's pay taxes to Pierce County. If they reside in Waycross on the Pierce side, than it is Waycross. Take a look at the Pierce County Assessor's website. Click on Search Records, accept the terms of use, and then click on "Search by Parcel Number." Enter Parcel number "025007," which is a parcel of land around 133 acres in Pierce County owned by the City of Waycross (Click "Show Parcel Map". Several other properties in the immediate vicinity are also in Pierce County's "Waycross Taxing District." The site won't provide a direct URL to the page. I was trying to provide reliable evidence that Waycross is in Pierce County as well as Ware, but additional exposition would is necessary to describe the situation better. That would tone down the "in your face" reception of "city in Pierce and Ware counties." Setting that aside for the moment, I've posted compromise language for the lede on the Talk:Waycross, Georgia It doesn't match exactly with the standard for other two-county communities, but I think there is room for flexibility in this case given the lack of consensus.Dcmacnut (talk) 01:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Dorchester Iowa

Can you explain exactly what was wrong with what I added to Dorchester, IA? --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sabina, Ohio

I took off the village website because it was a blog, and the author deleted it. Village Website I saw that the population in 2003 was 2,819. Village Profile Please tell me if my information is not correct, or if you made a mistake. :)

--Robbie (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Dorchester, IA

Thank you. --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

McCartney Library Edits

Concerning your recent edits to the McCartney Library Page: I am currently working at the library and compiling research and documentation to merge some semblance of a cohesive history for the public. As a part of this, I noticed that Wikipedia’s focus on the library was more than considerably sparse and that it still contains gaps in information; therefore, I am currently uploading some of the information released by Archives, as well as my own personal research. When I obtained photographs from Archives as well as Public Relations (again, to build up the comprehensive accounts), I was given permission to use them as well as permit commercial reuse and derivative works. Obviously, they were deleted in your last two edits. I am not sure of your reasoning, but I deduce that it is the cause of either the licensing or the release.

I tried two different ways of licensing (and you can tell me which one, if any, are correct). First, I tried to make use of a free creative commons license ( {{cc-by-3.0-us}} ). Second, I tried a General Public domain license for works released by the creator {

). Also, (as I try to cover all the bases) I own a high resolution camera, and can reshoot all the pictures myself.

I know that it usually is not considered good etiquette for an employee of an institution to publish information, as it may contain bias. However, I am not “selling opinion” but merely trying to publish fact. I live in Beaver Falls and have been doing research on the library long before I ever worked there and find myself fascinated by the depth of the relationship between the building and its religious roots as well as the community and international aspects of its historical journey. If you could offer me an explanation over the photograph edits or if you want to extend assistance or offer an alternative means of publishing images, it would be much appreciated. Thanks HSnodgrass (talk) 18:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Glidden, Wisconsin

Hi- I came acrosse an article about Glidden, Wisconsin. I had to do a major revision. The article had Glidden as a city but it is an unincorporated community; the Ashland County, Wisconsin does not listed Glidden as a municipality as such and DeLorme's Wisconsin Atlas &Gazetteer has Glidden located within the town of Peeksville, Wisconsin. Would you please take a look at the article.I am not sureif the statistics are right. Also according to the log, the article had been deleted at least twice. Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Oklahoma City

In response to your question regarding the Oklahoma City MSA map, that will be fine. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 12:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Small articles on Illinois settlements

If you want to, go ahead and format all of the one's I did, that way I can be bored to death next week. I had hoped that I would be able to have something to write, and those articles were going to be my busy work. Oh well. Have fun finding the references!! JLG 2701 01:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Safford micropolitan area

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that I added the demographics section to the article. --Acntx (talk) 08:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you should link to the basic titles in the image description. As long as the basic title redirects to the principal city page when there is no micropolitan area article, then I think its okay. Hope that helps. --Acntx (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey local government

Seeing you adding the link to City (New Jersey), I wondered: is there any article on a topic similar to Local government of New Jersey? I know New York and Wisconsin have such articles; they're the only states besides New Jersey that I know have detailed articles on their local governments. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's worth thinking about. The big pro is that you would see all of the five options (Borough, City, Town, Township and Village) in one article. The advantage of the current format is that I can link to City (New Jersey) and not have to use "Local government of New Jersey#City". It's worth a thought. I know your efforts are not just tied to New Jersey, and any suggestions coming from your exposure to the best practices in the other 49 states is most helpful. Alansohn (talk) 00:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You may want to mock up an article like you're proposing and run it past WT:NJ and see what the thoughts are there among the participants. I will take a look at the articles you mentioned. Is tehre anything else I should look at? Alansohn (talk) 00:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a stab at it on my end, as well. Let me know if you want me to look at something. Alansohn (talk) 01:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Just wandering through... Having researched this general subject for one state in order to write the text portion of List of cities and towns in Tennessee, I caution both of you that the quality of sources available varies tremendously from state to state. It can be very difficult to find good information -- the fact that a good article can be written for one specific state does not mean that similar content can be found for each of the other states... --Orlady (talk) 03:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I recognized that New Jersey has good information on this topic. My caveat applied to the "other 49 states" referred to in this conversation. --Orlady (talk) 04:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:NJ has been a bit quiet and folks may not be tuned in to a question. Let me try to rouse the usual suspects. Alansohn (talk) 17:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Disc golf in Burlington

I sort of went along with it after taking out anything that might have been construed as "advertising." It is a public park and free (I guess). It seemed different. I saw you had deleted it once but it was re-added by someone else so I edited it. Not a top priority for me if you want to delete it again. May have to explain it to the editors to keep it out. Student7 (talk) 11:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Mason County, Kentucky

Hi, Nyttend. I am working on a stub for the small community of Shannon in Mason County, Kentucky for which I have a source and a photograph. I noticed that the Template:Mason County, Kentucky calls the tiny villages of Dover, Germantown, and Sardis "cities". Are these places actually incorporated or do they belong under a section entitled "Communities", like at Template:Madison County, Kentucky? I had changed the designations of these places but decided to defer to your greater experience in this area. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. Would you mind checking Template:Madison County, Kentucky also. I have added several small communities over the past year and have no idea which are incorporated places. Better still, could you tell me where I can find this information myself? Aramgar (talk) 15:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Aramgar (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Dunwoody, Georgia

Hi
Can you check out Talk:Dunwoody, Georgia, I think the message there is directed at you.
Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Española, New Mexico

The town has a tilde ever since I moved here there is a tilde on everything about Española if you go the City Website they have a tilde, on my Utility Bill it even has a tilde. Factfinder is not right all the time. Colorado Lover (talk) 03:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Sorry to Be Rude but I like articles to not be wrong so if you would'nt mind moving it back to Española!!! Colorado Lover (talk) 03:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Colorado Lover is correct. It is Española. Omission of accents and aprostrophes is a matter of convenience only. However, the custom on English Wikipedia is to leave accents off the link name but use them in the article. Hence Espanola, New Mexico is correct but on the page the correct name is Española. --Una Smith (talk) 13:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's only a simplification of what Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use English says:

Frequently, English usage does include the local diacritics, as with Besançon.

If no name can be shown to be widely accepted in English, use the local official name. Non-English names should be used only if there are no established names in English;

It seems obvious that the "widely accepted" English name is "Española" in this case. --Amalthea (talk) 14:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

See also: {{Foreignchar}}. --Amalthea (talk) 10:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Treatment of notables

You deleted Fairbanks and Morse in the tiny town of St. Johnsbury, Vermont because they were non-notable, even though I had a footnote referencing the fact that they had founded Winter Park, Florida. Consistency here means that you are forcing articles on people I can create a stub on but would rather defer it because I am lazy. May have this problems with schools as well. People are known outside of school (county commissioner for example. mayor maybe) might not have an article but would be notable outside of the school. While Morse and Fairbanks are candidates for stubs, I suppose, I don't know about my local mayor! Still a plus for the school though. Student7 (talk) 12:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Userbox question

See my comment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipedians_in_Iowa#Users_from_Iowa_aren.27t_necessarily_in_Iowa I'm not sure how the categories work from userboxes, as I just added them to my page, but if you know the fix, or someone else who does, I'd appreciate it. RickH86 (talk) 13:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Micropolitan Area articles

Hi. I am planning to create separate articles for some of the Georgia Micropolitan Areas. Do you think I should move your maps to the newly created page and remove it from the principal city article or just add it to the new page and leave it on the principal city page as well?

Also, by the time I logged in this morning, it looked like the whole situation with the Dunwoody, Georgia page had been resolved. Is that the case or is my input still needed? Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Fort Wayne Metropolitan Statistical Area map

Hi Nyttend, I originally made a three county map for the Ft Wayne MSA - it is still on Commons here but it is the old version. When the article was to 7 counties I made the newer map without checking. If you want I can re-upload the original 3 county version so it can be used in the article. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• It is just the US Census Factfinder map cropped and following the odd Census labels, many of the cities are not labeled. I would be fine omitting it. I will see if they can delete the 7 county version on Commons just in case someone else finds it and wants to add it in somewhere. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Troy, Vermont - Bride of the Year

You're just jealous 'cause you'll never make it!

a) fairly notable for this section of the country. There were 2000 or so other candidates. b) when I compare this to most places who have obscure athletes and musicians (all with articles of course!) that I never heard of, Bride of the Year seems a welcome distraction. Student7 (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Map request

I just tagged the Salisbury-Ocean Pines CSA Wikipedia Image for deletion. --Acntx (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

If you find it easier to create new maps under the same name at the commons, I am fine with that. --Acntx (talk) 14:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you tell me which tag is the proper one to use for an author-requested deletion? I have searched through the pages about deletion and I am thoroughly confused. Once that is cleared up, I would be glad to work with you. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, I'm still watching you since I was waiting to see if anyone'd respond to User talk:Nyttend#Española, New Mexico, but I guess I'll take it to the article talk page. :)
Cheers, Amalthea^Talk 07:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Small Town Q

Hi, just so you know I'm not upset that you undid my population thing on Wikieup Arizona, I'm just curious if you are a big "tiny town" or "ghost town" studier like I am. I live in Las Vegas and am about to embark on a trip to some tiny towns with barely any population at the end of this month, was wondering if you'd been to any places like Essex, Goffs, or Cima California? Or maybe Nipton, Ca. OR Nelson, Nevada? I'm hoping to have enough info to post some stuff online here when I get back. Would like to hear from ya! Meet Me Outside (talk) 09:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC) (Jeff)

Response

Sorry for the late response. I was taking a nap. Anyways, a block does not seem too bad as it is clear that it is the same person and they falsely warned an admin of all people of vandalism and made a clear vandalism reversion. Which was after a personal and final warning from an admin. Rgoodermote^{Not an admin}  01:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: My talk page

And just like that you'll loose my presence on your talk page. ;)
BTW, I don't think the google hits can really give you the most common spelling since both searches find both spellings (I have no idea why the number-of-hits differ), and the Census Bureau website itself couldn't call it Española if it wanted to, since it can't cope with non-Latin-1. But if no one can prove that Española is the official name (in which case I'd definitely think it should also be the page title) none of that really matters.
Cheers, and see you around, Amalthea^Talk 12:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bend, Oregon population

Re: diff, I didn't know that in general we don't accept partners of the U.S. census as reliable sources (though if you could provide a link to the specific guideline about official partners at WP:CITY, that would be helpful, all I can see is "This section provides a demographic profile of the community, and usually relies on census data. Do NOT include population projections past present time per WP:CRYSTAL. Again, US Census figures only"), but FYI the consensus at WikiProject Oregon is that the PSU Population Center is a fine source for population updates. We'd rather people use PSU than pull a number out of thin air! Feel free to change the refs, but note that many Oregon articles use the PSU link, and I think this would be a fine time to IAR. Katr67 (talk) 20:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. We are discussing the guideline re: population at WikiProject Oregon. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Swanton, Ohio

I just re-read the terms of use, focusing on advertising - I am clearly not in any violation. Play your game, but you are clearly in the wrong and this is bordering on post stalking. Please discontinue this childish behavior. --CoachEqualizer 04:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I need to "Sign" so you know who I am. --CoachEqualizer 04:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEqualizer (talk • contribs)

Please explain in what way listing comunity entertanment for the family is wrong.

Anything you list could be construed as advertising...example... Swanton Corn Festival, Swanton Parks...

Isn't there a section for Nintendo? Sony? McDonalds? Whay in the heck would putting community entertainment be wrong??!!

You have now deleted appropriate additions 3 times, please find something else to do besides following me. Leave the post as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEqualizer (talk • contribs) 04:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Please do not delete my additions because you think it is spam. I have the right to add something I think is useful and entertainment venues in the city are important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEqualizer (talk • contribs) 04:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Please read this.

Edit war

Please understand that others opinions may vary from yours. As long as they are within Wikipedia guidelines they are fine.

Regards --71.55.38.232 (talk) 05:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC) --CoachEqualizer 05:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEqualizer (talk • contribs)

Ok I'm REALLY confused, yes age is a factor. Marc Horowitz has been edited all over the place. He IS from Westerville,Ohio yet sometimes it stays up for awhile now it is gone as soon as I enter it. Others have disappeared on that list as well. What gives? Also a page on Marc Horowitz is always up for a speedy delete, I'm banging my head as to what is wanted by editors. I have seen very short pages and lengthily ones, so does one just rewrite over and over again? Thanks in advance.. CJS007 (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)CJS007

Re: Template:Blount County, Alabama

My marking Cleveland was a mistake. Thanks for catching it. --Acntx (talk) 12:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Alex Turner (slave)

Firstly, It is not my article and the original author may still not be aware of your nomination. Secondly, The other author(s) should have been notified (see AFD rules) which you did not do. They can vote anyway they wish. Unaware that in notifying them, and asking them to support retention, I was breaking rules. Thank you for pointing that out, it will not happen again. There are references about his military and later life that are missing, and I hope thay can be found. Did you think previous author(s) and editor(s) who did not earlier think the article should be deleted, should be kept in the dark about this AFD thing? By the way, I acknowledge that I am a beginner here and am learning a lot from this interaction. I want to be like you, a model wikipedian. Thank you! Hmose (talk) 15:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

John Edwards

I have no problem with you reverting my move of the John Edwards page, but I'm a bit curious perhaps. If the title is inferring a "possessiveness", ie, John Edwards' affair, or "Notable Person X's subarticle", why wouldn't we use an apostrophe. Perhaps I'm missing the obvious? Keeper ǀ 76 21:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Pittsburgh and Allegheny area RHPs

Got your message. Will move that one RHP out from Pittsburgh to the Allegheny county list. The NRHP program information is imperfect like that. It requires local knowledge to make the corrections, which of course we want to implement. In Los Angeles County vs. Los Angeles the city, there were lots of switches, both ways, needed, starting from the NRIS database info as in these tables. I will "watch" the Pittsburgh and Allegheny articles, too. doncram (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

John F. Singer House moved from one to the other.

I created semi-shortcuts List of RHPs in Pittsburgh, List of RHPs in Allegheny.

Any picture of Singer House or any other site is great: you add huge value by adding a pic, it verifies the place is still there, it enables others to find it a lot more easily, it sets up the possibility of getting a better pic. I find it a lot easier to get a better pic, when there are any examples of prior pics of a place, to try to improve upon. And, what i say about the quality of most of my own pics of RHPs is that they are "mug shots", good enough for identification. I look forward to seeing your uploads! Cheers, doncram (talk) 22:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

About adding a pic to an article that already has one, like Rodef Shalom Temple, I like to see multiple pics in an article, so I would add rather than replace. And i think it is nicer to the preceding photographer/uploader if you leave their pic in the article, even if smaller and lower in the article, rather than deleting it. And personally I don't mind an article being "picture-heavy" in advance of getting much text written. For this one, i just visited the article and moved the existing pic, to make way for you to add yours to the infobox. Of course feel free to rearrange the pics around. And feel free to suppress the map in the NRHP2 infobox, which you can do by blanking out the locmapin field. I am really glad you're proceeding with the Allegheny county area NRHPs! Cheers, doncram (talk) 01:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I like ur new pic! And i think it is fine to put in primary position as it is now. I don't happen to like how the NRHP2 infobox is working, which puts in pic-map-info order what should be in pic-info-map order. That may get changed in the NRHP2 infobox programming, and i think that would help in this article, as the Pennsylvania map + the US map is a bit much, and less important than the factual info in the infobox. I think the article is fine now, as a good stub or low start because there isn't much text yet. Cheers, doncram (talk) 03:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon

When i click on the coordinates link within the NRHP infobox of Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon (showing 42° 54′ 55″ N, 88° 13′ 7″), it brings me to the right place, I think. First it brings me to "Map sources/geo hack" and then I can choose Google map. That is what brings me to the Google map view, and I can toggle to Satellite view and zoom in. The specific location is right on a large building on Big Bend Dr. near Vernon, WI. Adjacent to the south is what looks to me like a cemetery, so I think it is a church.

The address in NRIS is W234 S7710 big Bend Rd., Vernon, WI, which seems to have a typo of Rd rather than Dr. You can see this in the left side Elkman generator output at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php for the site. The suggested cut-and-paste material is at the right, the full address is not included in that but is at the left.

If i try that full address in google, it just brings me to a point on Big Bend Dr. in Vernon, that is not the correct point on the street. But the specific coordinates seem to work fine, as mentioned above, so i am pretty happy with the info in the article. Does this help?

Also, I know that Royalbroil is an active wikipedian in Wisconsin, uploading pics of NRHPs recently, you could definitely ask for help on Royalbroil's talk page.

Also i added {{reqphoto|in=Wisconsin}} to the Talk page, though I don't know if the reqphoto ever actually helps get anyone to go photograph a site. doncram (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Beloit in it.wiki

Hi Nyttend, I've done what you had asked me to. Thanks for informing us about that, it seems to have gone unnoticed between other users. Bye, and happy editing. :) --Austroungarika scold or call 21:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Wood County, Ohio

Hi there... what can we do to agree on my edit adding the table for Elected Officials on the Wood County, Ohio article. I'm really not sure the current text that is under the "government heading" is appropriate. The Weston Public Library is not a county library, it is a village library, located in Weston. If were are going to source the Weston Public Library on that page, we should also be sourcing the other libraries in Wood County. I feel a table of elected officals is more important in that space, and if it needs sourced, I will be happy to source... could you let me know your feelings, please? Westonjoe (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and for moving the Weston Library article link. I'll probably be adding additional library information to Wood County municipalities in the format you made. - - I travel through Logan Co. frequently, as my wife is originally from Springfield in Clark County. Very nice area! That Route 68 bypass in downtown Bellefountaine used to drive me crazy before I figured out you could just go straight! Cheers! Westonjoe (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Louie's Texas Red Hots

On 4 July you speedy deleted Louie's Texas Red Hots as blatant advertising. I had been dealing with spam-vandalism by someone associated with the company around that time, and I fear you may have simply seen one of their edits and deleted it without checking the history to see the article that was previously there, which my friend and I co-authored with an attempt to make it as neutral as possible. If you could review it, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! --Varco (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

George Van Horn Moseley, Jr.

Hello, I invite you to please re-visit your stance regarding the above AfD. This article has undergone substantial improvement in the last few days. I hope that you will close this debate soon. riffic (talk) 22:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The picture is from subjects' personal papers. I have one or two others that were taken at the same time. Taken by US Army Photographer at Greenham Commons Airfield, 5 June 1944. Quite a quest going on to identify the soldiers on the stamp. There is a column in NYT "Stamps" columnist Barth Healy, which went into this matter.Hmose (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC) See also http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5D6113BF932A2575BC0A967958260 Hmose (talk) 14:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Kellogg, Idaho

A metropolitan area is a city where the boundaries of that city extend to that of another incorporated city. Since the boundaries of Kellogg extend to Osburn and Smelterville and Osburn reaches Silverton, and since Smelterville reaches Sweeney and Pinehurst that is grounds for making a Metropolitan Area. Since Kellogg is the largest city of more than 1,000 more than the second Kellogg would be the most important city so the area would be named the Kellogg Metropolitan Area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Post Falls Man (talk • contribs) 05:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I left a message on the Kellogg, Idaho talk page explaining the official definitions of metropolitan and micropolitan areas. Kellogg does not meet any of the criteria to be designated as a micropolitan area, much less a metropolitan area. --Acntx (talk) 13:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Alexandra Paressant

You might want to reconsider this speedy deletion. It might be a poorly written article, but it contains some fairly obvious assertions of notability, all of which can be verified in seconds. – iridescent 20:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Copy Violations on Whitman Page

The Connally Report was released to the public in 2002. I paid for my copy in 1999. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Detroitnews9 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

You are wrong! The Austin American Statesman has the entire document on its website. I have the entire document copied from the Austin Historical Library and paid for the documents. There are no copyright restrictions on any of the documents. State documents follow Federal Documents in terms of being paid for by the public. It is a "Public" document!Detroitnews9 (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

State Agency Copyrights

The copyright laws for States are done State by State, they are not uniform, nor are States required to have copyright laws on State Documents. In this instance, Texas is a Freedom of Information State, and the material was gathered using the Texas Freedom of Information Act; there is no copyright or State Seal attached to any of the pages of the documents. You are mistaken in your application!Detroitnews9 (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Congress and Copyright Law - From Their Website

Meet my little friend (lol) Mr. Fair Use - My responses are in Bold

§ 107 · Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use 40 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (I am submitting the work to Wikipedia (Wikimedia), for a nonprofit educational purpose.)

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (Deals with the subject Charles Whitman) (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copy-righted work as a whole; (one page)

and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copy-righted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. (Does not apply, no market value)

May I have your co-operation now? Thanks Detroitnews9 (talk) 01:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

If all is forbidden, except the commercial gain of a non-profit, how does one proceed?

Above!Detroitnews9 (talk) 02:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The question is...and I understand copyright law and its intentions...if Wikipedia will not allow the provisions for a "Fair Use" contravention in an article that deals with a subject within an article, without some potential commercial gain for Wikipedia, doesn't that negate the "Fair Use" doctrine?Detroitnews9 (talk) 02:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Although you explained, I'm not quite sure of your point: but please understand that (1) this is a violation of Wikipedia's fair use policy, and that (2) the nonprofit nature of Wikipedia does not mean that anything can be uploaded here to take advantage of that nature. End/

As to (1), Wikipedia apparently has its own interpretation of Fair Use as there is no clear cut form to follow and (2) to use nonprofit and commercial in regards to one entity is oxymoronic. That's like saying Bush is a Democratic Dictator, which may or may not be true, but it still is an oxymoron. Why don't you look at the image I uploaded and see if there is any way to use it under Wikipedias rules instead of looking for a way to block it. I would appreciate that. ThanksDetroitnews9 (talk) 02:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Nyttend, you were almost helpful!Detroitnews9 (talk) 02:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

E. Wayne Fox

Hello Nyttend.

I was trying to find information about the Auther E. Wayne Fox, and the page has been deleted.

E. Wayne Fox is the author or coauthor of several arts and crafts books including: Plastic Lace all over the Place Bead a Better Buddy Itty Bitty Beady Buddies

And numerous others.

I am not sure if pages can be undeleted, but if so, It's restoral will be greatly appreciated.

Pinkgiraffe44 (talk) 00:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not certain on how to respond to you, however teh Text would be wonderful, thank you.

Pinkgiraffe44 (talk) 01:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:1i5z.jpg

Hi there, I notice you deleted this file. The PDB states here that all data and structural images in the PDB is in the public domain. Would it be OK if I restored the image, or do you think it would be better to take it to review? Tim Vickers (talk) 02:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Tim Vickers (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Continuing the RD:Computers

Hello. It sounds like there is a conflict of some kind. Are you running 64 bit Vista? If not, maybe the game is just not compatible with Vista. Or, if you have the latest version of the game (looks like it's 3), make sure you download and install all the latest updates from the game's website - http://www.rollercoastertycoon.com/.  ARTYOM  00:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Undeletion of Daníel Böðvarsson required

I am requesting the undeletion of this article per the note on its associated talk page, and the discussion I had with the original administrator who tagged it, TomStar81. The persons whom this guitar worked with are very notable, and that co-operative work makes this young man very notable indeed, Please undelete this article or move it to my userspace please, since if you had read the notes we had made before deleting it, you would have seen that I was planning to wikify and cleanup the article. Your immediate attention is requested to this. Thanks. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 10:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

David Aspin

Oh, sorry. At this point I haven't yet got an accute sixth sense for when things are or are not notable, and I didn't spot any sources to back up the claim, so I though this may have been a driveby save. Apologies, I will be more careful about that in the future. Thanks for the message, though, I do apreciate hearing from more experinced user on these matters. TomStar81 (Talk) 14:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Please undelete Postville Iowa Raid (Agriprocessors Kosher Meat Plant)

This morning, I noticed a fairly new wikipedia article Postville Iowa Raid (Agriprocessors Kosher Meat Plant) about a recient controversial and historic immigration raid here in Iowa. Although the article certainly needed some work, I recognized most of the material on the page from local, national and international coverage of the raid, as well as from an essay that one of the interpreters for the federal court. Specific information was not cited, although there was a list of poorly formated references with URLs at the bottom of the page.

You speedily deleted this page with an edit summary of (G10: Attack page or negative unsourced BLP), without first placing a speedy deletion tag to allow for comment of interested editors. The page was certainly not an Attack Page, nor was it a Biography, and most of the information contained in the article could easily be specifically cited to reliable sources. I believe that an WP:AfD would have been more appropriate for this article to allow for discussion (with a probable outcome of keep), if you really feel that it should be deleted, since its deletion is certainly bound to be controversial, and it does not meet the criteria for Speedy Deletion.

I would ask that you please undelete this page, so that editors can work it up into a good wikipedia article. Thanks! --Ramsey2006 (talk) 16:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Wilton, Maine

You have deleted all mention in the entry on Wilton of the G.H. Bass company, the manufacturing concern that first put the town on the map in the nineteenth century and with whose fortures the town was inextricably linked for generations -- until the eventual sale of the company to a conglomerate. In your entry, you say that you deleted mention of the company and its "Minnesota" roots. Presumably, you meant Maine. Regardless, by stripping the wikipedia entry of any mention of its largest manufacturing company for decades you have taken away any sense of historical context. The rise -- and fall -- of G.H. Bass & Co. was the largest industrial story in Wilton's history, and is emblematic of manufacturing history across New England. It would be far better to leave the Bass history to do what wikipedia should presumably strive for: give a sense of depth and history to its articles.MarmadukePercy (talk) 19:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Here are several mentions, one from the town of Wilton, Maine's own website, the other from a local newspaper (which mentions the "six generations" of local workers who toiled at G.H. Bass & Co.). [4] [5] The company was a local institution for over a century. Have you been to Wilton? I will restore the paragraph and move it out of the local notables section, thanks. MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Postville Iowa Raid (Agriprocessors Kosher Meat Plant)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Postville Iowa Raid (Agriprocessors Kosher Meat Plant). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Ramsey2006 (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Finding the error

Don't be discouraged. The room was filled with mathematicians...faculty, grad students and undergrad students, and nobody brought the error to my attention during my talk. Of course, it is entirely possible that some undergrad in the back row, frustrated and bored at trying to follow my broken spanish, and too shy to raise his or her hand to correct me, may have noticed the error. One hint though: One does not have to be an expert in Ramsey theory and edge colorings of graphs to find the error. It is a bit more elementary than that.--Ramsey2006 (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That's it!

The numbers refer to vertices in the picture above it. The 2 representing the two dots at the bottom, and each 16 representing 16 vertices in each oval (left undrawn). However, the oval to the left is simply a repetition (for convenience) of the oval on the right and of the vertices represented by it (note how the oval to the left is separated off by a black dotted line from the rest of the picture, to indicate that those are just repeats. The leftmost 16 shouldn't be there, since those 16 vertices were already counted with the rightmost 16.--Ramsey2006 (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

No reason to delete it. This is the second occurence of the answer on my talk page, already. See User:Ramsey2006#Ramsey theory articles. --Ramsey2006 (talk) 14:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Dola, Ohio

Great job getting an aerial photo of Dola! And kudos to you as well for even knowing where Dola (which happens to be my wife's hometown) is... I've known folks even in Hardin and Logan counties who hadn't heard of Dola before! -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Image thanks

Thanks for the nice new aerial photos of Findlay and Jenera and McConnells Mill State Park (ah the benefits of a large watch list) Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not quite 2000 on my watchlist - I am not worthy! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Reupload pf image at IFD

Yes, it can be pretty frustrating being image deleted warned for images you've spent time adding a full rationale uploading. I;m sure there are many images which don't qualify for fairuse and even abuse it, but I have uploaded thousands of irresplaceable images which I believe comply with fairuse copywright law and general wikipedia policy on content where a free alternative is not possible. My deep concern was that if people choose to delete the ones listed at IFD at present which I uploaded, they will find a way to delete all of them and in doing so will be spammed thousands of deletion messages, stress and a distraction I don't need. The Bald One ^{White cat} 08:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Settlement - pushpin map

If you are going to remove maps, then please remove the "...-dot-on-..." .jpg/.png maps and not the "pushpin" maps.

The point or purpose of the pushpin map is so that "1" accurate State of Ohio or Cuyahoga County background map can be reused with accurate coordinates rather than having several often "inaccurate" map image files.

A better use of your time would be to create an appropriate {{Location map USA Ohio Cuyahoga}} template and corresponding image file which could then be used as a pushpin map, see {{Location map USA Ohio}} for how to do so, specifically, a Cuyahoga County map image with a smaller map of Ohio in 1 of the corners showing where Cuyahoga County is located within Ohio; rather than removing pushpin maps from Infoboxes ... LeheckaG (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I have seen deletion messages on Commons: where "dot-in" map images have been deleted citing "duplicate" of ... so accuracy depends on how accurate you want to get. I have encountered "dot-on" maps where contributors "reused" another "nearby" one. "Nearby" might be close-enough for "outsiders", but to "locals" who can tell the difference (for example SE Alaska dot-on maps depicting a completely different island ...). At 200 to 300 px, dot-on map accuracy is relative ...

(233) Commons:Category:Locator maps of cities in Alaska dot-on maps are inaccurate. For Alaska, the Eastern border with the Yukon territory is a North-South line, so depicting Alaska at an angle without a "N" north compass marker is deceptive or misleading to Wikipedia readers. Why they chose to try to shrink the US's largest state into a 300x186 pixel box at an angle?

Commons:Image:Alaska Locator Map with US.PNG is a much more accurate map image and scalable to 738 x 501 pixels.

Likewise, for (1,409) Commons:Category:Locator maps of cities in Ohio the Eastern and Western borders should be North-South lines, yet the "dot-on" maps depict the Eastern and Western borders at a slight angle due to the map projection used. Some dot-on Ohio maps depict what is land or water while others do not (so they are not consistent).

Commons:Image:Ohio Locator Map with US.PNG is a more accurate map and conveys more information scalable to 292 x 267 pixels.

Rather than trying to fix thousands of dot-on maps, a much better use of resources would be to ensure that the {{Location map USA {state-name} }} templates and corresponding map images are accurate, and extend them by creating {{Location map USA {state-name} {county-name} }} for the various US counties.

I am hoping that "common sense" prevails. Why create "thousands" of "dot-on" map image files depicting an often inaccurate map marker where a "city" place is on a US state map when (50) more accurate US state maps and accurate coordinates for a (city) place can replace all of those "dot-on" map images? Location map images depicting administrative borders but not a "dot-on" marker are reusable across Wikiprojects whereas "dot-on" map image files are generally only accurate and usable to the Wikiproject which created them.

I really do not want to get into citing problems with particular "dot-on" maps because it is not productive except for nominating for Deletion,

it should be sufficient to cite general problems.

Before using a {{Location map}} for a geographic feature, I verify the border/edge coordinates, so I know {{Location map USA Alaska}} and {{Location map USA Ohio}} are accurate and correct for overlaying coordinates over, that the borders depict "North-South" properly, and that land versus water is easily identified.

"dot-on" maps are NOT "standard" as you stated; while they may be common or routine for many U.S. cities, Many Wikiprojects's Geo-/Info-boxes use {{Location map}} for their features, including how WP:Cities Infobox Settlement (pushpin map) is used for most cities. So some cities in the U.S. are an exception with "dot-on" map images rather than a "standard".

Where do we go from here? Do we use the more accurate pushpin map (frankly: they visually "look better" than the black and white dot-ons), and an entire U.S. State or County can be updated by updating 1 image and adjusting 1 template rather than having to re-do thousands of individual dot-on .jpg or .png image files. Nominate all of the Commons: dot-on maps for deletion based on WP:V (accuracy) and WP:UCS, so that they get updated (accurate borders, accurate orientation, land versus water, accurate dot-ons, ...) or ?

Infobox Settlement should permit some better control over pushpin maps (like the marksize) and it appears to be an "undocumented feature" that it inherits the previous map caption if the pushpin map caption is defaulted. Updating Infobox Settlement would be a better use of resources than updating thousands of dot-on maps.

LeheckaG (talk) 12:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Portage Lakes, Ohio

"Portage Lakes" is both the name of a community (populated place) as well as the name of the larger U.S. Census Bureau CDP which includes it.

My repeated "issue" with CDPs are that while CDPs mean something to the U.S. Census Bureau; CDPs mean little to anyone dealing with "Portage Lakes" as a "populated place" rather than a Census statistical "abstraction". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a (re-)publication of the U.S. Census Bureau (and the U.S. Census Bureau often has "inaccurate" geography).

Your "coordinates" updates have some inaccuracies:

1. . You removed the "one-click" {{Gnis}} links to the appropriate GNIS feature ids and replaced them with {{GR}}. The GR template(s) should be "banned", otherwise contributors can publish "any" fact or figure they wish and cite {{GR}}. How does one then easily verify? "One-click" {{Gnis}} links should not be replaced with the "vaguer" {{GR}}. Yes, one can manually do a GNIS search for the feature id, but come on now, why replace a one-click link to the exact reference id?

1. . Go to the Portage Lakes, Ohio article, click on the title bar coordinates in the upper-right corner, and then select a Map like Google. The coordinates which from come from {{Mapit-US-cityscale|40.994205|-81.533739}} in the external links plot to the West of the East Reservoir, the same goes for the Infobox Settlement coordinates |latd = 40 |latm = 59 |lats = 39 |latNS = N and |longd = 81 |longm = 32 |longs = 1 |longEW = W ;

whereas Portage Lakes (either community-populated place or CDP where the people "counted" are) is actually to the North and East of those coordinates "on the other side of the water".

I had made transcription error copying accurate coordinates from GNIS:

• 41°0′26″N 81°31′37″W U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Portage Lakes-Populated Place
• 41°0′13″N 81°32′6″W U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Portage Lakes Census Designated Place

to: |latd = 40 |latm = 0 |lats = 19.5 |latNS = N and |longd = 81 |longm = 31 |longs = 51.5 |longEW = W

i.e. where I missed updating the latd = 40 to latd = 41.

But where does 40 59'39"N 81 32'1"W or 40.994205,-81.533739 come from? Again, why [{{Gnis3|gnis-feature-id}} gnis-feature-id] or {{Cite gnis|gnis-feature-id|feature-name}} should be used rather than {{GR|3}}?

1. . Also, Mapit is not "standard". I had brought it up at a WP:Cities discussion about multiple coordinates in articles, and the Consensus was that coordinates should be in the Infobox and the Title bar, and possibly in a Table for articles with multiple coordinates, and no longer in External links. Only if necessary and relevant to describe something beyond the information conveyed by an Infobox or a Table should coordinates be embedded in text paragraphs (like Geography). So "Mapit" was subsequently removed from the corresponding WP:Cities guidelines and should have been removed from WP:Cities Infobox Settlement template examples. If you can find a WP guideline or example recommending it, please bring it up under discussions.

LeheckaG (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

removing bad external links coordinates which you keep re-adding - they are unsourced and represent neither the official populated place nor the CDP. LeheckaG (talk) 10:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Park

On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Park (football coach), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

RS

Hi, can this site be used as RS? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Bennington Triangle

First I have heard of it! Looks true from what I can find out from non-wikipedia sources. The article Bennington Triangle has been there for a long time. I sort of thought that 204.167.92.26 was on the side of the angels, deleting stuff (sorry. I am not a paranormal guy!). Maybe he deleted too much? I'm sure you have noticed that a lot of material was not referenced. It's been there long enough to have accumulated footnotes from somewhere. I placed a "needs footnotes" on the Bennington Triangle itself, but left the others alone.

I would be glad to help, but not really sure where to start. Just like other material right?

As small as Vermont is, you may be surprised how narrow my focus is - just Northeastern Vermont and a handfull of other places (Chittenden, largely).

I probably have missed the point here. Let me know. Student7 (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problem

Hey, I noticed that you deleted Peter Schechter for copyright infringement. While I agree that it was blatant copyright infringement, the person who posted it - User:Szadok seems to be trying to get it released as Public Domain or GFDL. The problem seems to be verifying that the information has actually been released as PD or GFDL. I was wondering if you knew anything about copyright releases that could help him out? I've directed him to Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems but don't really know/remember how to handle these cases beyond that. Thanks. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 03:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Peter Schechter Copyright problem

Hey, I also noticed (sadly) that you deleted Peter Schechter for copyright infringment. I do not know how to express myself better, but the texts were written by Peter Schechter and edited myself and the texts realeased under GFDL license by Mr. Peter Schechter and myself. Now, a similar text was posted at heatherfreeman.com and was removed completely, mainly to avoid any copyright disputes, as the texts that were under heatherfreeman.com were written by Peter Schechter and edited by Mrs. Heather Freeman (Mr. Schechter's PR). I would like to re-enter the texts again to Peter Schechter value. Can I do that? Or do I need other type of proof, to show that the text is free to the public under GFDL license? If yes, What type of proof?. Thanks alot, Please feel free to contact me also at: info (AT) israel-hosting(DOT)net. Szadok (talk) 11:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Peter Schechter

Thank you so much for your answer (I am a newbie, so it really helps). As for conflict of interest, I am the editor of the text and I kept a neutral point of view. I took only the facts of his Bio. I would like to use the {{PD-author}} license. Do you think it might feet? I am waiting for your answer before I re-enter the texts for Peter Schechter. Szadok (talk) 12:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen my mail and can I create the page? Szadok (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Medway historical society

Hello, yeah i will propably be the only one using it are not exactly comfortable with the internet--let alone a Wiki page. But we discuss what is going into the article so I am not holding a monopoly on information. Thanks for your help and please respond to this on the Medway Historical Society user page so we can keep tract of all of our doings on Wikipedia. That way we can have some accountability. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.131.125.49 (talk) 12:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Official

What does official mean? Hyacinth (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: County template

Let me apologize for the delay in responding to your message. I haven't been on Wikipedia that much in the past few days. Have you resolved the situation with the {{Warren County, New York}} template yet? --Acntx (talk) 10:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Stubs

That makes total sense now. Thanks! prinzwilhelm (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Broken coordinates

Rather than just reverting, would you fix the coordinates on Aleknagik, Alaska, North Platte, Nebraska, etc. BTW: no, not all coordinates are broken. -- User:Docu

<from User talk:Docu> Aside from my obvious error with Deverre, what's wrong with the coords listings? Has the coords project deprecated the coor dms, or something like that? The Mapits are quite standard; they've historically been required by the WP:CITY article layout guidelines, and only removed recently without consensus. Nyttend (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

</from User talk:Docu>

Just click on the coordinates link in "Aleknagik is located at 59°16′42″N, 158°37′23W″city". There are similar typos in the other articles. A bit hard to spot though.

Since I added checks to the template, the articles I fixed ended up in the Category:Coor dms template needing repair. -- User:Docu

Incorrect gnis

Please restore the gnis id I fixed on Deverre, Nebraska. -- User:Docu

Category:California geography stubs

I think I plucked most of the low-hanging fruit on this a while ago -- which is alarming, given the size of what remains. Trouble is, categorisation and infoboxing of the rest of the articles looks to be very patchy. I'll see what can be done, though... Alai (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Zemphir & Gallipolis

I found a better source, this time from the official UC magazine. Please see if the new ref/source addresses your concerns. youngamerican (wtf?) 20:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

References

You incorrectly cited WP:USCITY in moving references into another section. If you look at WP:USCITY under the References section you will see it says, "List all sources used in building the article in this section." Likewise Wikipedia:Layout under the Further reading section says, "This section does not include publications that were used as reliable sources in writing this article; these should be cited as references." Moving the information is incorrect since they were used in creating the articles. —Mike 06:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion alert

An article you contributed to, Walter J. West, is being considered for deletion. The editor questioning the article is not using the traditional AFD process but is instead calling for discussion on the talk page of the article. If you would like to contribute, please visit that articles talk page.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Again Thanks for your input on Walter J. West! The editor nominating for deletion has now created a new discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter J. West. You may wish to participate.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Chris Underhill

Would you please close the AFD for Chris Underhill when you get a chance since you speedy deleted the article? Thanks.  -- BeezHive (talk|contribs) 14:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Before you do that would you please reconsider the speedy deletion? The article had several claims of notability including the founding of charities and the receipt of an MBE. I was about to add some references to the article such as these ones when I found that it had been deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd argue that the NY Times article should added to the BasicNeeds article instead (which I was having trouble finding sources for...). I couldn't read the Highbeam article (registration required), but I don't think that Chris Underhill is really relevant outside of the context of BasicNeeds.  -- BeezHive (talk|contribs) 15:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion about sources should go in the Afd discussion, which should be allowed to run its course. The article as created indicated importance/significance as required to avoid a WP:CSD#A7 speedy deletion, which is explicitly not concerned with lack or inadequacy of sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Township tables

Hi, sorry about taking so long to get back to you. As for undeleting that file; I don't have any objections. Personaly I suspect that if it's been floating around since 2005 and no one have made use of it by now it's probably not going to happen at all (hence the move to delete it). However if you can see some use for it then by all means I won't stand in the way of it beeing restored. --Sherool (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Wisconsin county templates

I know you were involved with creating them. I don't understand why the order of the municipalities was selected so I started a thread at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wisconsin#County_navigation_templates to discuss. Your input would be appreciated. Royalbroil 13:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Norwich, Vermont

Have you ever been to Norwich? Dan and Whit's is the cultural and physical center of the town. A reference to Dan and Whit's is not spam. Mcbgirl (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)Mcbgirl

Dixon Townships

Thanks for catching that. Townships made sense with original text.DCmacnut<> 01:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Alaska sorting

That should indeed be possible. (Well, not on the page directly, but if I split it up into a number of separate text files...) You're welcome, btw; that was a pretty constructive discussion all-round, really (if a tad on the lengthy side.) Alai (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Or even Category:Cheque stub stubs, etc, or dare I say, Category:Stub stubs (e.g.). Alai (talk) 04:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Farragut, Tennessee

Can you please provide some evidence as to why you continue to revert the edits on Farragut, TN. The town's website clearly defines its western boundary as the border with Loudon County, yet you keep adding Loudon to Farragut's list of counties. The town only lists itself as part of Knox County. If people are residents of Loudon, then they do not live within the Town of Farragut as it is incorporated. Jhb 10s (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Alaska Geostubs

Hey, since you seem to have a better idea of how to do it than me, maybe you should make the rest. I'll start sorting! L'Aquatique[parlez] 19:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The Mayor of Rutland (city), Vermont

I originally objected to having a WP:NN (no bio) whose credentials included Mayor. Of course, that is not sufficiently notable in itself for making a list from Rutland. For the article on his high school, maybe.

I assumed you reverted it cause I was being too hard on a newbie who was trying to contribute. Point taken.

DEC is an appointed position, which is okay with me for notability.[6]. I don't have your reference handy but I am sure it is more than adequate. I would still rather skip the mayor business (because it will eventually attract other people who were only mayors) but I don't want to fight over it!  :) Cheers! Student7 (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

OTRS

I've responded to you via e-mail. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The only people who can see OTRS reports are OTRS volunteers (I think that's more for technical reasons, though). If you want to apply, this is the place to do it. As for this particular instance, the e-mail he sent actually included a scan of a certificate issued by the Montana Secretary of State that said that Sweet Grass was incorporated in 1933 and hadn't been de-incorporated since, so I'd be inclined to, at the very least, remove the reference to it being unincorporated. It also seems to me that if it is incorporated, it probably only has one correct name. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Plaque at Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon

Hi, glad to chat about this. That type of anonymous NRHP plaque appears at some NRHP sites. Based on the 200 or so NRHPs that I have visited and photographed, I would guess about 10% or less have that plaque. Most have no plaque. Some have other plaques that are individualized for the specific NRHP. It's a safe bet that the type of plaque does not appear at this church. And, the photo is of one particular instance of that anonymous plaque which is at only one site, but the photo is linked to 100 or so articles. In my view it should be linked only from one article, and it is misleading otherwise. Regards, doncram (talk) 15:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Edgewood, Moriarty, and Torrance County, New Mexico Link Issues

Nyttend, you appear to have been following me around and removing the links I've been posting. I've actually put in a complaint about this with editor assistance, but I'd also like to try and discuss this separately.

You seem to be under the impression that I am on some sort of promotional crusade with respect to these links. Please understand that this is not the case. With respect to the virtual tour links, these simply provide a look at the communities in question in a unique format. Yes, there is a small amount of text extolling the virtue of the communities in question, but I think that is to be expected. Yes, they are both on the same site, but I can't see how one would link to the images without linking to the individual pages. I've gone through the spam and ELNO guidelines again, and see no reason that these links should be considered violations of either. There do not appear to be any prohibitions against linking to multiple pages on the same site, and the content is relevant.

I can understand your attitude about spam. I run a web design and hosting company, and we recently fired our server provider in part because of their inadequate spam filtering system (our new one is great - one or two messages a day squeak through, with no loss of legitimate communications). I run a blog at nm-central.com at which I have to delete spam every day, and I do it with a vengeance. So please understand that I'm not looking to spam the wiki, as it were.

I also think that you may not understand the status of the Estancia Valley Economic Development Association. This organization is the first step for small business owners in obtaining assistance from the state economic development department, as well as the first point of contact for new businesses looking to relocate to the valley, which is just east of Albuquerque. You can confirm this, if you like, by contacting the New Mexico Economic Development Department. Given that the links provide both useful information and a unique look at the communities, I'd like to ask that you stop removing them.--Weckerleje (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

St. Louis County, Minnesota

I came across an article from Minnesota Public Radio about a proposed study about dividing St. Louis County, Minnesota into 2 counties. I wrote a short sentence in the St. Louis County article with the Minnesota Public Radio article as a citation. Sometimes I would read the St Paul Pioneer Press and every once in a while someone would bring up the issue of dividing St. Louis County, Minnesota into 2 counties. However, nothing happens. I thought you might be interested with this issue.Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks-I thought you may want to expand what I had wrote or do more research on your own about this issue.RFD (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Broken Bow, NE

Ok, I understand your POV problem. How about you fix the neutrality issues and leave the information that was so gleaned from the Nebraska State History organization as well as the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, and a nearby town's newspaper.

That could have just been to simple I guess than deleting it. Good work. Way to really show a great ethic for this community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tacoslick (talk • contribs) 02:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Alatna River

YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ OR FAILED TO HEAR MY TALK. I HAVE THE MAP (NOT ORIGINAL REASEARCH). THE MAP ESTIMATES THE LENGTH TO BE 140 MILES FROM CIRCLE TO ALLAKAKET. THE NPS SITE http://www.nps.gov/gaar/alatna.htm SAYS 83 MILES, AND, ACCORDING TO MORE THAN ONE RANGER, THIS IS ONLY THE DISTANCE OF THE ALATNA TO THE EDGE OF THE PARK, WHICH IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ALLAKAKET. ONCE AGAIN, NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH, THE NPS SITE DOES NOT SAY WHAT THE WIKI PAGE SAYS WITH YOUR EDITING. SO YOU ARE THE ONE PUTTING OUT INCORRECT DATA. LOOK AT THE MAP. YOUR DATA IS WRONG. NOT JUST AN EMAIL. GET A MAP AND CHECK IT YOURSELF, AND STOP TRYING TO PULL A POWER PLAY. YOUR NOT THE WIKI GOD. IF YOU DONT HAVE A MAP, THEN STOP IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamsamich (talk • contribs) 02:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I just went down this river and it is no where near 85 Miles long. Why did you delete my post? This misinformation caused us much heartache, although if I would have been the group leader I would not have relied on just the Wiki Page and the NPS page. I am in contact with NPS right now and they agree with me that there is a problem. So please let my data stand until we get something better from NPS Alaska. People might go into the Alatna thinking they only have 85 miles to go when it is closer to 150 miles from Circle Lake.

Original reasearch? Look at the map (the one you have to buy). I told you I was in contact with NPS and they said something is wrong. Not my original reasearch, just BACKED UP by my research. The actual map you buy there has the river and the scale, it is way over 100 miles at first glance. Get the map before you delete my post again. NPS, the map and my GPS all agree, AS I ALREADY STATED. We worked it out to about 140 miles on the map. People are going down this river and only scheduling enough time for 85 miles from Circle Lake. The problem is the NPS website is vague. It is acually talking about the number of river miles only in the park. I put in my original post the Map shows this. This is NOT original research. If you don't believe me call NPS, the number is below, but don't delete my post, it IS NOT original research, just backed up by my GPS. People's trips could be ruined and there is an outside chance someone could get hurt if you don't leave this one alone.

Email from NPS:

Hello Jim,

Thanks for your input on the website. After an initial look at the Alatna River page and a discussion with the ranger staff present, it looks like the 83 miles listed is probably an estimate of the miles of river within the Park boundary. This is very unclear and not necessarily the sort of information needed. I will look into this further and do what I can to clarify the information. The wolf sighting you describe is odd. Several similar incidents have been reported in other areas this year. I'll pass the info on to the biologist who collects this sort of info.

Thanks again,

Tracie

Tracie Pendergrast, Interpretation and Education Gates of the Arctic National Park and Preserve 4175 Geist Rd. Fairbanks, AK 99709 (907) 455-0641 (winter) (907) 692-6922 (summer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamsamich (talk • contribs) 01:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC) Hamsamich (talk) 04:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)Hamsamich

CONCERNING THE ALATNA, IT IS NOT THE SAME MAP AS THE ONE ON THE WEBSITE. ARE YOU DRUNK? THIS IS A HIGH RES MAP YOU BUY AT THE RANGER STATION. NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH - FROM NPS. AND THE NPS WEBSITE DOESNT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM CIRCLE LAKE TO ALLAKAKET, YET YOU LEAVE THAT INFORMATION AND DELETE MINE. WHY IS THAT? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamsamich (talk • contribs) 03:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Moraine, Ohio

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For taking and uploading the most excellent image at Image:Downtown Moraine from a Diamond.jpg, though I must admit that I've never seen Moraine accused of having a Downtown. Well done! UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Dubstep

thank you, nyttend. i've gone down the AfD route with this - apologies, there was some rather heated discussion last night regarding this and i was a bit flustered --Kaini (talk) 14:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Omaha, Nebraska

Thanks for cleaning the population info on the article. Quick question: In your aggressive cleaning of the population section you deleted some cited edits, as well as the references, without reinserting new references. Did you intend to do that? Is there president for using unreferenced population data? Clarification would be appreciated. • Freechild'sup? 20:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my errors on Riverside IA

I thought I was just taking care of some redlinks by removing the square brackets around the redlinked items and adding some italics around the book names. How I managed to do all that other changing is going to take more study. --Sultec (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

As I compare the version I edited with the one you fixed, I can't figure out how I messed up. Given that I know I didn't purposefully delete other then the square brackets from the redlinked items, what else might have gone wrong? I'm quite worried about this. --Sultec (talk) 03:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

List of people who died before the age of 30

It appears obvious now that the page List of people who died before the age of 30 is headed to deletion. I support its deletion myself. But this has given me an idea. Do you think it would make sense to have a set of categories called "Age x deaths," all in a parent category called "Deaths by age?" That seems like a better idea. This way, there would be no worry where to draw the line as to what age is "significant" as an age of death, and all ages people live to can possibly be included. There would be no need for one person to create all these categories in one day - they could be built gradually over time. We already have categories like 1949 deaths. Why can't we do the same with age? I would like some input. Sebwite (talk) 23:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Barrow, Alaska

I was curious about this edit. Why go from links to the ethnic groups to 10 links in two sentences to the same article? I noticed it earlier today and I left a comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Guideline#Race and ethnicity in the United States Census. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 23:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC) Thanks. That makes some sense, but why multiple links? Wouldn't it be better to follow the MOS and just link to the Race and ethnicity in the United States Census once? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 00:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 06:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Unprotecting Big Brother 11 (U.S.)

Hi, I was just wandering if you could unblock Big Brother 11 (U.S.) so it can be created? The show has been picked up with sources. There is now substantial content for the article and while I am usually against creating articles for reality TV shows six to twelve months away I find it unfair for other confirmed shows like Survivor 18 to have an article while some can't. Plus anon editors may attempt to create the article anyway under a different naming scheme. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Recent block

Could you explain your recent block of LongBay (talk · contribs) please? I can't see exactly what he's been doing wrong. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, no worries - I don't have an issue with that! In future, it might be a plan to get an uninvolved admin to make the blocking decision, or he'll cry foul. As it stands though, I don't think anyone will have an issue with the block. Stay safe! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Fairfax County, Virginia

I raised a question on the talk page of the Fairfax County, Virginia template, Template talk:Fairfax County, Virginia which I hope you can comment on. Regards Argos'Dad 14:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Cenus population of unicorporated communities

As you know, the Census does not track population for unicorporated communities, in the same way it does incorporated cities. There aren't very many modern sources of populatin data on these small communities, and since Wikipedia policy is to use Census-only sources, I've been looking at using Census blocks as a starting point. Census provides population down to the specific block, and you can then provide a 1-to-1 correlation for which blocks constitute a community by looking at the Census maps. For example, North Lemmon, North Dakota includes block groups 2420-2427 (map), which have a cumulative population of 21. This link shows the population of Block 2426. Do you think I could add that information to the article without violating WP:NOR? I'm thinking the various micropolican statistical area articles, like Aberdeen micropolitan area, give precedent for this kind of data. There is no single population or demographic source for μSAs, so the articles use the total data for each county in the area. I'd do the same for unincorporated communities, only on a smaller scale. What do you think?DCmacnut<> 19:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking: "___ includes ____ Census blocks which had population _____." I'd also include a link to the Census map of the blocks as appropriate. ZCTAs simply don't work for North Dakota, since our rural zip codes cover multiple communities and hundreds of square miles. Thanks.DCmacnut<> 20:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Colstrip Wiki Page - removing Youtube video about Colstrip by Poet Laureate...

Nyttend - So where is there anything on Wiki that says you cannot link to YouTube, when video can clearly contain material relevant to understanding the topic, and yet still be too large to paraphrase in the wiki article?

I note from the pattern of your vast listing of contributions that you spend about half a minute on each page, and edit a wide variety of kinds of wiki pages. For Colstrip, it is most likely you have never actually looked at the YouTube video to really judge as an editor if it is relevant to the topic... You have a responsibility to not discourage contributions of real knowledge to a particular topic. The video should remain - it is about Colstrip's History as told by a Poet Laureate P.primo (talk) 04:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Leavittsburg, Ohio

Thank you for your suggestion for assigning the history to a separate category. You're exactly right. Much appreciated. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability guidelines Rfc

Have you been following the Rfc on notability guidelines? My concern is that however these guideline reviews turn out, we could wind up with a lot of Afds for location articles, simply because "Any town, USA" has never been written about extensively in a newspaper, journal, or other source. As you know, there is a group of editors who argue that a geographic location is only notable if it receives "significant coverage" in secondary sources. Of course this is the general guideline for all notability cases. But some take this to the extreme that only news articles or journals that write specifically about the location and its existence qualify as reliable. Other editors have gone so far as to state a view that even U.S. Census data does not lend evidence of notability, per Option Two at Wikipedia:Notability_(Geographic_locations). While this Afd mentality appears focused on small, little-known (nationally) towns, I think it could apply to many U.S. County articles. When's the last time you read an article or articles that specifically discussed your local county that "address the subject directly in detail"? Some editors even go so far as to state that even coverage in a local paper doesn't qualify, such as comments that the Anchorage Daily News isn't a reliable source.

Others editors take the opposite extreme, that any named place is automatically notable just because it exists. I don't think either view is 100% accurate. Some ghost towns would be forever regulated to stub status because there simply isn't enough information about them to expand the article. I would agree those articles probably wouldn't be appropriate, but the town could be mentioned in some broader context. See the article on Petrel which mentions it's former life as Thebes. I would argue Thebes doesn't deserve it's own article, or at the very most could exist as a redirect. At the same time, we have articles on a majority of townships and incorporated cities, so Wikipedia would be incomplete if some were left out because someone thinks they aren't notable "enough."

With respect to what sources qualify, my view is that Decennial Census data qualifies as a reliable, secondary source, since the Census, particularly American Factfinder, "draws on primary sources and other secondary sources to create a general overview; or to make analytic or synthetic claims," such as total population, race, ethnicity, etc. Another primary source for the geographic location would be the annual Census Boundary and Annexation Survey, which is a collection of first-hand information from local officials on the size, location, and names of towns, townships, and other locations. I'd view the GNIS database similarly, since it also relies on primary information from local officials or first hand accounts.

I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this? I'm just trying to collect my thoughts on this whole debate, and am looking for input with the intent of commenting on the Rfc at some point. I think Proposal B.6 is close to my way of thinking.DCmacnut<> 19:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's not a direct threat to the current place standards, but some of the proposals do focus on subject specific standards, and one or more of the options would state that the general notability guidelines trump all, and specific standards cannot be more lenient, i.e. nothing is "inherently notable." I'm also getting some of my concerns from the discussions at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(Geographic_locations). I agree that those opposing the current standards appear to be in the minority, but they are a vocal minority. Some dismiss the consensus developed on specific standards by saying consensus among subject-specific editors has less merit than consensus from all of Wikipedia editors as a whole.

WP:Athlete is mentioned most often as a "problem" standard, but any broad change could affect all subject specific notability guidlines. See Proposal B.1 and Proposal B.4. Both aim to limit the ability to create subsets of what qualifies as notable for specific subjects. The other proposals appear more reasonable and nuanced. Right now, it appears this Rfc won't go anywhere, since the deletionists don't seem to be gaining any ground, so really the issue will be resolved in specific Afd requests. I guess my interest is in Wikipedia management issues as a whole, and I'm thinking of ways to improve the place/location notability argument. Just wanted to share my thoughts.DCmacnut<> 15:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Rochester, Vermont

Why do you insist that the Rochester School Website (rochesterschool.org) is the Official Town Website? The Official Town website is, in fact, rochestervermont.org. Need Verification? Please call Town Clerk JoAnne McDonnell at 802-767-3631. Many of us volunteer for the school and the town, and we can't get this Wiki thing right. We'd like to have each listed properly.

Also, exactly how many ELs is "proper" for a town? Thank You.

--Normyo (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Kickball in Vermont

I'm with you on this one, but just need some sort of criteria. Any suggestions? Useful to have some broader measurement to perhaps apply to other articles as well. It's a slim league, for starters! Is that enough?Student7 (talk) 02:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Strang, NE

If you would have READ what I edited, instead of simply reverting and accusing me of advertising, you'd see that I cleaned up grammar and actually toned down what was originally written about the restaurant, which is in fact the "only" restaurant (or business, frankly) in that town. I'm originally from around the area, and the tone of that section had been irritating me ever since I discovered it. Note that I never actually mentioned the name of the place either. Chill out and stop accusing me of advertising when I did no such thing. I'm changing it back, as the version I had was less congratulatory, more factually accurate, and had better grammar. --129.42.161.36 (talk) 21:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I see you removed the section entirely. That's fine. I was thinking about doing that too initially, I just thought I'd see if I could save it from itself first. Cheers. --129.42.161.36 (talk) 21:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)