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DYK yw

You're welcome. Now I have all year to come up with another one ...

Here's my contribution to the annual April Fool's edits. Feel free to revert it if no one else has yet. Daniel Case (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

A day late

I think you are a day late on that. Generic1139 (talk) 21:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

"Township" in the infobox title

Hi Nyttend. Just to let you know - I've noticed your reinstating "Township" in the infobox of Morris Township with this edit, and have now added it to (hopefully) all Pennsylvania township articles. As much as it pains me to admit, I'm to blame for the absence of "Township" from the |name= of most of these; I misguidedly removed it when converting the infobox from {{Geobox}} to {{Infobox settlement}}. Apologies. Alakzi (talk) 00:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

umop episdn

Hmmm....something seems to be a bit off, can't quit put my finger on it. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

You typed a couple of letters wrongly: no big deal. Just try umop зpḷsdn. Nyttend (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

yea, well I wasn't going for fancy -- uʍop ǝpᴉsdn — xaosflux ^Talk 02:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Ha, you're better than I. I didn't think an inverted "i" existed, and I've never seen an under-dot used with a Turkish undotted "i", so I figured I'd do best to use the "l" with the under-dot. The schwa should have been an obvious solution, however. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I like it! And welcome back to the admin corps, Nyttend! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:43, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 3 April

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Mi 'ead

[1] Mi 'ead 'n' mi eyes 'urt they do. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

ouch .. lol. — Ched :  ?  06:50, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

:) Welcome back to the land of of the admin. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome Back

I wondered why your "sig" didn't have the typical admin. highlight (some sort of script I added long ago). Just noticed the WP:BN thread a couple days ago or so. Welcome back to the tools. — Ched :  ?  06:48, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hear, hear. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Qewr4231 at ANI

Hi Nyttend, I'm bugging you because you previously commented on an ANI report for user Qewr4231 here. I've recently had to open another ANI case on the user here because of BLP violations on top of his continued soapboxing. Since I'm worried it may otherwise be construed as forum shopping, I'm asking you to not comment on the report this time 'round, but I am curious what I should do, as the report is very likely to go stale with no resolution from an admin. (I think only about 25% of ANI reports I file actually get responses.) Should I wait for it to go stale and paste it back in, or drop it if it doesn't get a response, or...? Many thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

You're right, I'm being overly cautious about forum shopping. I just want to make sure that my participation in this is as integrity-filled as it can be. I'm happy to have you participate, although now I'm questioning whether my rationale for bringing the user to ANI this time was sound. The matter as I saw it with the Kip McKean housing information is that it's not "widely published". Per my limited experience with BLPs, there has always been an "err on the side of privacy" stance, and I've not seen sites like Intelius or other background check websites as being acceptable for this stuff, since they aren't so much "publishers" of the information. It seems to be the same thing with the real estate reference. The property tax stuff that Qewr submitted was totally synthesis, since he was trying to extrapolate based on a combination of information from Site A and Site B what McKean paid in property taxes. And there is the much bigger issue of what encyclopedic need is being served by the addition of this content. So maybe in this case I need a refresher course too. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll accept the final warning offer and get the ANI off my plate. Too much wasted time. Thanks Nyttend, and I appreciate your feedback. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:21, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I understood exactly what you were trying to say in the spirit in which you meant it. :) Thanks for the assist. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend, a new flare-up here. Minor, but FYI. Thanx, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Big Four West Virginia

Hey there Nyttend, I have a oldy and hopefully goody for you. LUCKILY, I have found the place name origin of Big Four, West Virginia...QUESTION to you, the place name origin is a written letter from the last Post Master at Big Four dated September 1930.....Question, Is there a way to use this as a "source" or "reference" here in wikipedia land??Coal town guy (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

User:CrazyAces489

Nyttend, since I had just been having a constructive discussion with the user on my page, I'll unblock him unless you object. I'd talk to him first, and hold him to certain promises for the future. Bishonen | talk 11:01, 11 April 2015 (UTC).

Reference desks

Not a problem. The only reason I saw it was because I was working through RFPP and someone asked for the page to be protected. As for the Gforce Pakistan I've never seen anything like it before. I found it amusing and figured someone had been watching too much Godfather. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 01:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah glad you mentioned the previous message. It's here. The bot cleared it off. But while looking for it I noticed a whole bunch of sections that are not dated and they don't get cleared by the bot. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 01:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Delete

Can you delete these pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CrazyAces489/jose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CrazyAces489/Hugo_Duarte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CrazyAces489/Luta_livre_esportiva CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

This still shows up on my userpages. [2] I didn't want a history merge, only some information to transfer to a newer page as the pages were previously AFD'd. (so they wouldn't be deleted as a recreation. As I got the information I wanted I deleted to the point where I blanked the page. After it was blank, I wanted to delete it so I had better organization of my userpages. CrazyAces489 (talk) 11:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

New proposal

pls see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Ban Chealer from Wikipedia altogether -- Moxy (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Akinwunmi Ambode

Hello Nyttend,

Thanks for protecting the above page from creation. I want to let you know that the subject of the article had been declared governor elect of Lagos State having emerged as winner of the April 11, 2015 Lagos state governorship election. However, am willing to create the article now. I will be glad if you can unprotect the page. Thanks for your consideration. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 06:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

SPA tagging

I have a question, I removed a tag from an AFD but it was put back on. [3] From what I read WP:SPATG, The following is a list of common misuses of the single-purpose account tag. You should under no circumstance consider anything that falls into the below categories as evidence for warranting an SPA tag. "Frequency of edits: A user should not be tagged as an SPA just because they only have a handful of edits. While all users with one edit are by definition an SPA, users with as few as 3 or 4 edits are not necessarily SPAs if those edits are in a diverse set of topics and do not appear to be promoting a "single purpose." The IP posted in a diverse set of topics and more than edits Niteshift36 has stated that only the IP can remove the tag, after that accused me of being the IP; if i removed it he would report me to AN/I. [4] I have seen plenty of tags I put in removed by other people in the past. Is this the case? @Stalwart111, WordSeventeen, and Bishonen: CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't help you. I've never understood, myself, how people decide when that template's appropriate or inappropriate. I've never used it myself, and I've never asked others how they decide whether or not to use it. Nyttend (talk) 21:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

If I remove it because by policy it shouldn't be there is there a penalty in your opinion? CrazyAces489 (talk) 22:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Actually, this has nothing to do with SPI. SPI is sock puppet investigation. What you should be talking about is SPA, single purpose account. CA, you are quoting an essay, which is not a policy or even a guideline. It's "the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. Essays are not Wikipedia policies or guidelines. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints." An essay can't really be "enforced". Claiming that you are removing it to comply with a policy is completely false. The tag I placed on the IP response says that the IP has "made few or no other edits outside this topic." By it's very nature, it is, in fact, designed to be placed on accounts that have made only a handful of edits. When I placed it, the IP had only made 2 edits this year: the AfD and ANI. In total, it has only made 5 edits, which is a "handful", precisely what the tag says. The IP also hasn't edited since that day either. However, edit count was not the sole reason I tagged it. Had you bothered to ask me why, I'd have told you that another decision factor is when an allegedly new editor immediately starts posting in ANI and AfD, that's an indicator that the IP may not be truly new. Now what IS a guideline is WP:TPG, which tells us that we generally don't edit others talk page edits except in certain enumerated situations. As I said, if the IP has an issue with it, he can talk to me or take it to ANI. If you're not the IP, you really have no reason to concern yourself and certainly no cause to remove it twice. BTW, why would you come here to talk about me, but tag in others, including non-admins? Niteshift36 (talk) 00:19, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Millbourne, PA

At the SEPTA station, in Millbourne.

etc.

I sent you an e-mail. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Ironton restaurant

You will be hard-pressed to find an article from the Ironton Tribune on the opening of The Depot as the Ironton Tribune does not make all of their print articles available online. I think that if you are not interested in using one of the other articles to make a reference in regards to The Depot, we should revert the article back to when the information on Austyn's was included, as I can't find an article relating to the fact that the Austyn's restaurant no longer exists. However, we do have irrefutable proof that it opened at that location. Also, whether it exists or not at this current time, it is apart of the Norfolk and Western depot's history. WhySoMan (talk) 10:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Move Discussion

Hi,

This is a notification to let you know that there is a requested move discussion ongoing at Talk:Hillary_Rodham_Clinton/April_2015_move_request#Requested_move. You are receiving this notification because you have previously participated in some capacity in naming discussions related to the article in question.

Thanks. And have a nice day. NickCT (talk) 18:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Pennsylvania photos

It appears that "temporary bridge" will just be the permanent replacement; there hasn't been news on replacing that one since it was built in 2009. If you visited Gudgeonville, did you happen to go Harrington or Waterford covered bridges as well? I have photos of both, but I might re-do the ones of Harrington, though. I lucked out on Gudgeonville, but completely missed the Koehler Brewery. I am still trying to find a photo before it was demolished that I can use (without one decent photo, I won't write an article).

What exactly would you be looking for in a photo of a municipality? Without having a specific target in mind, no guarantees, but I'll try if I'm near one. Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 22:55, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The Manor

I've started working a bit on Faggs Manor, Pennsylvania. I got several pix and noticed that we have an article on Sir John Fagg, 1st Baronet who does turn out to be the man honored by the hamlet's name. The original Samuel Blair (that's a disambiguation page) article we had is now missing, perhaps somebody merged it by mistake into his son's article Samuel Blair (chaplain). I know we had that article, because that's where I learned of the existence of the church.

Any help or advice would be appreciated. I am still fact checking, some of which will take place on Thurs? at PHS. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 01:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that the Sir John article had some interesting dates. All I know is that I learned about the senior Samuel Blair here, perhaps in the log college article or similar. I think I know lots about him (my soure Wikipedia!), but you might know more. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I may have been mixing the senior Blair with Samuel Finley and his West Nottingham Academy, which is only 20 miles away from the Manor. Still, I learned about the manor from these articles, but now don't see it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Ani Dispute

I added some evidence. Weegeerunner (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Formal request for clarification of IBAN terms

Hey, Hijiri88 (talk · contribs) here. I'm posting logged-out (from a stable IP that everyone knows is me) to allow you to respond to me before a certain user decides to jump in and harangue me again. I'll come back and re-sign my post logged-after (if I don't, remind me; or tell me I don't have to if that's what you think). I posted what I thought would read like how I meant it, a sincere request for clarification (for me to "get it straight") on the terms of the IBAN. Another admin responded calling my request "coy" and "sarcastic". I would apologize to him for the miscommunication, but I really get the feeling he doesn't want to talk about it anymore. Especially given that his initial close said not to report violations to him.

I was under the impression the posting in discussions the other user started, or commenting on the other users' edits on said articles' talk pages, was a violation, but when I reported the other user for it I was told it was not, because I don't "own" that page. But does this mean that I am allowed post to discussions that the other user started, as long as my comments are not directed specifically at said user? Or post general comments in the third person, about said user's edits because the other user doesn't own said page either? I was under the impression that these were both obvious no-nos, but...

Also, I'm now very unclear as to where violations are reported, since the initial close said to report them on ANI, last time (2+ years ago, mind you) I posted a report of an IBAN violation it was on AN (ironically on the recommendation of the same admin), and now I am being told that ANI and AN are both IBAN-free zones.

Look forward to your reply!

126.0.96.220 (talk) 14:12, 30 April 2015 (UTC) (User:Hijiri88)

WP:ANI#Miraclexix won't leave me alone

Added my two cents. Weegeerunner (talk) 06:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

PARK SITE - 36LA96

See also

Courtesy of Roy K

File:PARK SITE (36LA96), LANCASTER COUNTY, PA.jpg. Roy is amazing sometimes. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 13:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Close request

This probably should have been formatted as a request for clarification to begin with. I was certain that joining in a talk page discussion in which every second or third comment was mine would be immediately recognized as a violation, but I guess I was wrong. Live and learn.

Now the thread has just devolved into another forum for one user to continue his mudslinging, and it's obviously not going anywhere soon.

Could you close it? You can take my initial request as being withdrawn, if that helps.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Persondata RfC

Hi, You participated in the previous Persondata RfC. I just wanted to notify you that a new RfC regarding the methodical removal of Persondata is taking place at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Thanks, —Msmarmalade (talk) 08:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Please see

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania#Photographing every municipality

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

A "last chance" request

Hi Nyttend. Hope you are well. I trust you probabbly remember this episode, regarding editor @Ndandulalibingi: Since then, I have avoided the Mbunda-related articles, as it just makes my blood boil to see the continuation of his pseudo-theories supported by fringe authors. However, I took a look at those articles again today and see that they are replete with some of the elements that were a problem at the time, when Ndandulalibingi thanked you for your input and undertook to play by the rules. I will not go into a list of the practices that violate the rules of the project, as I believe I have a workable solution.

I could spend time, (a waste of it) to prepare a water-tight case to have Ndandulalibingi blocked, starting with the obvious COI, as an official representative of the Mbunda Council. However, I don't want him blocked for the sake of blocking, and I am certain that neither would you or any other admin. All reason for a block would be to stop the damage that he is causing, which is substantial, if you look at my edits today on Mbunda-related topics. All my edits of today had been clearly substantiated in the edit summaries and discussion pages. At any rate, instead of a block, here is a reasonable proposal and this is what I want to ask of you:

• Request user Ndandulalibingi to stop all futher edits to Mbunda-related articles. I will do the same.
• Request user Ndandulalibingi to edit the articles Bantu expansion and Bantu peoples and incorporate in those articles the theory of the Bantu migration from Sudan to Angola (or any other country in central-west Africa), supported by bibliographical evidence drawn from the authors that he relies on, Papstein, von Oppen, M'Imanyara and other sources that he repeatedly uses.

That is a simple request. If the theories and sources survive the spotlight and scrutiny of the community working on those articles, then we shall have to accept them and abide by the consensus. The logic is that if a 'mother' article on the overall migration of the Bantu does not support a certain view, then we can't have subordinate articles proposing a contradictory view. We can however, test the new view being presented and on the strength of evidence, incorporate it into the mother article, so that it henceforth covers both views, and subsequent referrals to the new view in any other articles downstream are underpinned in the main article. It is easy to cite questionable sources on little visited articles, not so on articles with high visibility such as Bantu expansion and Bantu peoples, which benefit from the contributions of a lot of serious, experienced editors who work on a wide range of fields. It bears remembering that Ndandulalibingi is a WP:SPA, and as such, I do believe that we have granted him generous latitude that others in less obvious positions COI/ SPA have been denied. So if the sources and theories are valid, let them speak for themselves. For the record, it is not the first time that I have suggested this route to Ndandulalibingi, but it was ignored without as much as a reply. Thanks for your time. I am notifying Ndandulalibingi of this post. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 19:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Wouldn't expect any less of you if justice is to be served. There are admins who make it possible for editors to have faith in the system. Thanks Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:02, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I have not made any substantive editing to these articles, since 13 September 2014 when Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk reported me. Being my articles, I believe they are complete and editing on them without a discussion on the talk pages is violation of WP policy, it is "edit warring". All the issues he is editing now are old and he never touched them then. The issue of Bantu migration he keeps referring to remains a debatable issue, [5] says so and I quote: "Attempts to trace the exact route of the expansion, to correlate it with archaeological evidence and genetic evidence, have not been conclusive; thus many aspects of the expansion remain in doubt or are highly contested". I found a source then, that is claiming to the contrary, who am I to reject the source. In all faireness if he feels the source needs to be tested, fare enough, but why delete the material before testing? Ndandulalibingi (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I take it that you therefore agree to test the sources. I am not deleting before testing - I suggested this course of action to you 8 months ago the day, as you can see here under "Pages 104 and 105". But I am glad that you agree that it is fair to test these theories and sources. So, let's test them. I look forward to it. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I await the response of your request and authorization. I believe you should reverse your edits until after the test, should I be authorized. Your recent edit was challenged by another editor, that is two editors against your opinion and you still revert, which is still against WP policy. I find it difficult to believe your honesty in the claims you make because at one time you claimed to know more about Angola than me and further claimed that Mbunda language was never chosen as one of Angola's National languages. I gave you additional sources including official government ones and you never apologized for misleading other editors. Ndandulalibingi (talk) 22:57, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wrong. No edit was challenged. Your friend was confused by Mbunda and Bunda. As for being one of the six languages, I was busy editing that when I posted this suggestion here, which also binds me to not make any further edits to Mbunda-related articles. But can we now PLEASE keep unessential chatter away from this page? This is about proposal about testing theories and sources, so let us not clutter the issue and complicate matters for the admin who has to wade through this. If you want to pursue the issue of the six national language, kindly go to the talk page or write to me on my talk page. Thank you.

Apologies, @Nyttend, for using your page for unessential discussion. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 23:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

PA Muni

I plan to get the remaining pieces of the puzzle in south Allegheny county and Washington county at least this weekend. Let me know if you plan to be active in that area as well, we can do some collision avoidance. Generic1139 (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, I'll let you know what I get. Generic1139 (talk) 03:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I've got to drive right through Markleysburg, so thanks for leaving that one. Generic1139 (talk) 04:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I sat out the rain in a diner on 51. I did get Bethel Park, Glassport, South Versailles, Forward, and Markleysburg. On the NRHP side, I finally got Oak Hill. Weather permitting, more tomorrow. Generic1139 (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

It sounds like you got caught in traffic for the National Road Festival. Oak Hill has several signs noting that it is private property, I didn't go up the hill either. I did notice the contributing original west gate this time, however, I missed it the last time I was there, resulting in file:Oak Hill Estate and west gate.jpg. As to whether or not this is better than the one you took, you be the judge. See the Oak Hill category. Generic1139 (talk)

Bentleyville and Green Hills are acquired. That should do it for Washington once I get caught up on the paperwork. Generic1139 (talk) 19:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I updated the lists, and the counties with unillustrated municipalities map for Washington. I'll get to Allegheny in a bit. Generic1139 (talk) 23:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Ellenwood, Georgia

I found that the US federal records center serving the southern US is in Ellenwood, Georgia, yet the article is blank. I wonder what sources talk about Ellenwood, or if it has been approved as a new CDP?? WhisperToMe (talk) 20:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Since it has a bunch of inbound links, I wrote a quick stub on Ellenwood based on its GNIS listing. It looks like it still isn't a CDP (maybe in 2020 though?) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks :D WhisperToMe (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Springton WV??????

Hey, quick question...I was able to find the original company store and PO at Springton WV, in Mercer County......HOWEVER, when I google map it, I thought I see its in Lashmeet?? It has a GNIS entry, should I go ahead and make an article with pic of course?? I have asked Catalyst as well, BUT I want to make 100% certain I see this correctlyCoal town guy (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Need some advice

SO, I found a cool deco, pre WW2 structure......and it would be a good representation of a specific unincorporated community...BUT, it has some symbols as part of its design which could cause some reactions, I have provided a video link and would like to ask if I should use photos in an article..You will understand when you see the video cool but odd buildingCoal town guy (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Admin intervention

Hi Nyttend. I have now spent a considerable amount of time from May 13 cleaning up the Mbunda pages, also cleaning up where information was taken across to the Portuguese WP. However, to be fair to he project and other editors who have contributed, I have to make sure that I do not delete something that should be kept. But to do that on the large articles will take a lifetime - Mbunda Kingdom for example is miles long. This is what I suggest:

• Mbunda Kingdom be cut down to a stub of a few lines, to be rewritten like all other articles.
• Mbunda people cut down to 2 paragraphs

I guess some kind of protection or template would be required or otherwise a well-meaning editor might decide to reinstate the information. The three below should be deleted in their entirety to be recreated ——OR—— task the user with transforming them into proper article according to WP standards:

• List of Mbunda Chiefs in Zambia
• Mwene Mbandu Kapova I of Mbunda
• Mwene Chitengi Chiyengele

You might also want to have a look at this brief discussion about the user using sources that he has never consulted and in somes cases adulterating the source to sound like a second one. This is not the first time that the user adulterates or fudges sources, this was already pointed out before my time, I think, but I personally came across cases and included in my original report that I filed at the Admin Noticeboard. Thanks for your help on this. Best regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:59, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Cutting out unsourced material

Hi Nyttend. Yes, cutting out the unsourced pulp would definitely be one way of doing it. I suggested that it be left to the editor to do it, so it can be used for practice - perhaps even move a copy of it to his sandbox for the time being. It will be a good exercise t work on his own earlier work line by line, deleting obvious clutter, prune further deciding what must stay and what must go, and at each point that something is not overtly clear, provide context, grounded on a proper source. I am saying this, but I confess that I don't even know if the project has the mandate to 'enforce' such 'coersive' training. Obviously the other side of that coin is that he will soon run into trouble. PS: thanks for the pruning. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Admin intervention — Tutor

Hi. I further suggest that the user request to be appointed a tutor to guide him through the process of getting used to working according to the rules. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 11:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

For some time, I have been trying to help editing the Mbunda related articles, as the author of the main edits, himself Mbunda, has evident shortcomings in this field, but is acting in good faith. Unfortunately, health problems have prevented me, and still prevent, from systematical tutoring. Thus, if there is anybody with some knowledge about the subject is willing to take over this task, that would be ideal. I myself - having worked for half a century on Angola, although without special emphasis on the Mbunda - would then be prepared to offer some help, if needed. Aflis (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

You are very kind-hearted, Aflis, but unfortunately misguided. The editor is not acting in good faith. He has been shown his errors for three years, you have indicated to him to cut back and clean his articles, but instead he prefers to concentrate on finding new pages where he can include Mbunda-related information. You cannot deny this, for you know it to be true. Please don't let your generosity and magnanimity blind your actions, my kota. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Harrison---Crawford State Forest

Hi there. I came across a two year-old requested-move discussion at Talk:Harrison–Crawford State Forest. The article name was changed to Harrison-Crawford State Forest (with an m-dash) and it looks kinda silly. I peeked at MOS:DASH and I don't think any of it applies. Just because the forest is named for "Harrison" and "Crawford", doesn't mean Wikipedia editors should apply any special rules to the name. The name came ready-made as a proper noun: "Harrison-Crawford State Forest" (see GNIS}. The discussion looks like you were ganged up on, but I think you were right. I may request it be changed back. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks & Culture of the Mbunda people

Hi Nyttend. Thanks for everything. Things seem to be on a good footing to work well from now on. Here is a little something that I have started on the Mbunda, Culture of the Mbunda people Keep well. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Montour County

Well, I've bagged the last two municipalities in Montour County: Washingtonville and Limestone Township. 12 counties down, 55 to go. As requested, I've already deleted the map of unillustrated Montour County municipalities. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 00:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Ballpark Synagogue

• Nice photo. I don't suppose you have a photo of the new interior wall paintings, that riff on Michelangelo sounds pretty great.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you help me, once again?

Nyttend, I am in need of your assistance once again. There is a previous version of an image that I've been told I need to remove since it is not in use. I completely understand why and was hoping you could help me by removing the first uploaded version of File:NRA Law Enforcement Marksmanship Qualification Badges-Bars.png (the one uploaded on 25 May 2014]. Thank you, in advance, for your help. --McChizzle (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Nyttend!

Regarding Edits to the Arrowsmith Page you made that were reverted

Your appropriate edits were reverted without consensus. You have been named as an experienced Admin whose work was ignored.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Sean Stephens (talk) 19:34, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

War of the Triple Alliance / Paraguayan War

I have proposed an alternative formulation, you may wish to comment. WCM_email 20:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

On the off chance you have a photo...

The Clay County Courthouse in Clay County, Illinois was added to the NRHP last month. Since you've been through the city before, did you by any chance get a picture of the courthouse while you were there? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks (and maybe I should've looked there first!) I would've said it was in Louisville, except you did all that Kentucky photography last year so that would have probably made things more confusing :) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:List of municipalities in Pennsylvania

See my questions at Talk:List of municipalities in Pennsylvania.--DThomsen8 (talk) 19:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Request for a copy of a deleted article

I saw you are willing to provide copies of deleted articles. Could I have a copy of the deleted article Murder of Jessica Currin with its history put in my user space? Contact Basemetal here 14:12, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

In response to my message on your talk page you left a message on my talk page. I'm not sure how that works (especially since you say you wouldn't watch my talk page) so for convenience I answered there and I'm also copying your answer and my answer to your answer here:

Are you asking that I undelete it and move the page to your userspace? Or do you just want a revision with a list of the users who edited it? Nyttend (talk) 03:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

The former. Could you put it into Basemetal/Deleted articles/2014/Murder of Jessica Currin? Contact Basemetal here 12:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 13:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

question about editing while a topic is under discussion

I thought that once people started discussing an issue in a talk section that editors were suppose to halt making edits on the subject matter until an agreement had been reached.... well that hasn't slowed down User:Cs_california because this editor is still doing it, see link and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities#Further_discussion. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Underwriters Salvage Corps (Cincinnati, Ohio)

First of all, my bad! I didn't realize I had done that before. Please don't think I tried to sneak that in there. I honestly just missed it. Second, while the building is used to store equipment for the Salvage Corps, as far as I can tell the, corps are not and were not a fire department. Plus, either way the building is no longer in use by the department. Additionally, these categories (Category:Fire departments of the United States) across the board are used exclusively for categorizing actual fire departments. I'm been slowly working through redoing every department page in the US (see User:Zackmann08 for my WIPs) and this is the only page I have come across that is categorized in this fashion. There are other buildings and even active stations that have pages, but they are not categorized as being departments. To draw a parallel lets look at baseball (mainly because I am watching a game at the moment... ), if we look at Category:Major League Baseball teams, using your argument it would seem to be that AT&T Park (where the San Francisco Giants play) would need to go in that category... It is a building in use by the team. But the category specifically says teams just like the category we are talking about specifically says departments. Anyway, you have WAY more experience that I do at this but would really like to pick your brain and see if we can't come to a good consensus. Hope you are having a great day. --Zackmann08 (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Query over the status of the TicketSource page

Hello! I recently created a stub with references to allow the creation of an article covering a large ticketing and software development company in the UK and noticed you removed it for not being significant enough. I was wondering if you would be able to give an example of what you consider notable enough for a company to add themselves to the wikipedia repository. Do you have any suggestions that might help us create an article here?

Unfortunately, you left no notes on the talk page and the talk page with suggestions from a wikipedia editor appears to have disappeared with the page. Is there any way to retrieve or recreate these suggestions? They were very useful and sadly I haven't kept a record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liam at TicketSource (talk • contribs) 15:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply, it was very informative! If you could assign the page to a draft area that would be great. I'm hoping to persuade one of our customers to pitch in and provide some balanced edits on our behalf. Although we are not a large company employee wise, we do turnover £3 million+ a year and have done a great deal of high profile events. Don't let the size of our HR dep fool you! The most recent examples from the top of my head are the Gurkha 200 year celebration - the Queen and Prince Charles were in attendance - and the international financial meeting of the London Chamber of Commerce members (sponsored by HSBC - something extremely controversial considering recent UK news). We're mentioned on both of their sites - I've no idea if that counts as a reliable source? There are articles that cover the subject but I'm unsure if we're directly mentioned in them. Another example is that for 2 years, we've been the only source of tickets for the UKIP party - and managed all of their UK conferences. Again, very controversial but I was hoping would add some balance to the factual side of the article and make it more valid - encouraging a good editor to show us warts and all. I believe much of this was linked but obviously as a stub article and myself being an employee I didn't want to write it all myself. It's also worth noting that STAR (society of ticket agents and retailers) doesn't accept small companies as full members. We are indeed up there with TicketWeb.co.uk, Skiddle.com, lastminute.com and others. If I were to gather the links from the article and add a few more, would you be able to review them to inform me if they're adequate evidence of notoriety or not?

Liam at TicketSource (talk) 10:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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More edit warring on Mizzou Arena

User:Eodcarl has gone back to memory-holeing the Mizzou Arena article of the "Paige Arena" former name. You blocked him back in May, so I think you may want to revisit that again now. Thanks. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 14:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Though I agree with the compromise I am NOT the one who made the change. All I did was remove the unnecessary bolding of Paige Arena. I am happy to discuss it on the talk page, which is what I have been doing. I'll assume it was an honest mistake that you attributed the change to me. Eodcarl (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

That's the edit I'm referring to, Eodcarl. It was against consensus and you reinstated it after someone reverted you the other day, so I think you knew it was tendentious. I also have a problem with the compromise which I was not able to weigh in on since I was not informed about the discussion that led to the change, but that a debate for another day. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Reverting it was against Wikipedia rules. Removing bold font is not a matter for a long discussion. If you didn't like it, you should have gone to the talk page, not reverted it. No one is obligated to inform you of anything. Put the page on your watch list and watch it is my suggestion. Eodcarl (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: White Anunnaki

Just a little confused by your statement: what does "White Anunnaki" have to do with racist theories claiming white people are descended from aliens? White Anunnaki is a redlink, and Anunnaki is just an article about Sumerian deities, with nothing about human ancestry except quickly mentioning the creation of mankind.

There is a fringe, ancient astronaut hypothesis promoted by various groups, including David Icke, the Nation of Islam, and others who believe in aliens that their adherents call "Anunnaki". According to some of these groups, white people are descendents of the "White Anunnaki", oppressive space aliens who enslaved black people (and in some cases, other whites). See our article on Yakub which refers to part of this theory that they use. This nonsense is all over the Internet, and the fact that you can't find it on Wikipedia is probably a good thing. The agenda, therefore, of a user going by the name of "White Anunnaki" is pretty clear. Viriditas (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Good to see you ...

adding pix again in PA. I should be able to do York County this weekends (both nrhp and munis). With some luck, I'll get all 38 in Schuylkill Co. the next weekend. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 17:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

nazi sidebar

i never said it has to do with some south american dictator, i olny said Strasserism (Strasser brothers of germany) was not a mainstream part of NSDAP ideology and therefore should be mentioned in the related section of the sidebar just like neo nazism, also he keeps removing my logo in the sidebar even though his version does not have any consensus either Dannis243 (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

News sources as primary?

You made an interesting comment at Talk:Dennis Hastert, stating that "primary sources such as news articles from the time of an event may not be used." The relevant policy at WP:PRIMARY focuses on "insider view" and authors who actually witnessed events such as diaries and witness statements. This is the first time I have heard of a news report described as a primary source. I suggest either amending your closure statement or the policy. VQuakr (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I second this; your closure is based on a simple misreading of the rules, and I suggest you reverse it. Recent news sources are not and have never been automatically considered primary sources on Wikipedia under WP:PRIMARY. --Aquillion (talk) 01:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Did Nyttend wikilink WP:Primary in his close?Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARY defines what we consider primary sources. If Nyttend was disregarding that policy in their close, then they were simply in error. --Aquillion (talk) 01:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

If he was not relying upon that policy, then what's wrong with omitting it from the close? There are about a thousand other policies that he omitted as well.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:04, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I can understand your confusion, since many other fields use the term primary source differently; but Wikipedia's policy and usage on what constitutes a primary source is well-defined. The standards for writing an encyclopedia article are not the same as the standards for publishing as a historian (which in turn are different from the standards in many other fields); as it says in our own primary sources page (which you cited yourself!):

• "Primary" and "secondary" should be understood as relative terms, with sources categorized according to specific historical contexts and what is being studied.
• Similar definitions are used in library science, and other areas of scholarship, although different fields have somewhat different definitions
• Many sources can be considered either primary or secondary, depending on the context in which they are examined. Moreover, the distinction between primary and secondary sources is subjective and contextual,[19] so that precise definitions are difficult to make.
• Whether a source is regarded as primary or secondary in a given context may change, depending upon the present state of knowledge within the field

Obviously, that page is not policy and doesn't define how we use the term here on Wikipedia, but it makes it clear that an encyclopedia might have different standards than a dedicated historian. As, indeed, we do, since our primary / secondary division serves a distinct purpose from what most historians use it for -- we rely on secondary sources to ensure that we are not giving a topic WP:UNDUE weight and to make sure it has gone through the fact-checking and verification that reliable secondary sources employ. --Aquillion (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Post Offices...a question

SO, I found an OLD original Post Office....In Iaeger, West Virginia...Someone placed an advertising banner on the building, Is it possible I can use the PO pic WITH the banner or should I just NOT do that??? Coal town guy (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Feel free to join the discussion at the linked RfC regarding updates to WP:PRIMARY to match our new practice. VQuakr (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi

I'm not sure what to do about this revert. Are they supposed to appeal your close, or is the close final?Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I went to the request for closure noticeboard, which seems to be addressing it.,Anythingyouwant (talk)

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RFC close

I have re-opened the RFC because it was closed on a wrong and novel interpretation of WP:PRIMARY. See Wikipedia talk:No original research#RfC: Should "news articles" be added to WP:PRIMARY? - Cwobeel (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I re-closed the RFC and advised Cwobeel how to request closure review. He has done so here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#RFC_closure_challenge.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

If you find closing RFCs and dealing with what you refer as Randies, to be below your scholarly dignity, then remember that WP:WPDNNY. - Cwobeel (talk) 04:29, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Qewr4231 yet again

Hi Nyttend, apparently Qewr4231's beef with Kip McKean has flared up again:

• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities, "Why is it that when I enter "Kip Mckean" into Google search I get hundreds of links with the word "cult" in the description???"
• Talk:International Christian Church, "Why is it that when I enter "Kip Mckean" into Google search I get hundreds of links with the word "cult" in the description???"
• Talk:International Churches of Christ, "Why is it that when I enter "Kip Mckean" into Google search I get hundreds of links with the word "cult" in the description???"
• Kip McKean, "Why is it that when I enter "Kip Mckean" into Google search I get hundreds of links with the word "cult" in the description???"

Crossposting the same nonsensical question to various articles related to Kip McKean. At this point I'm assuming incompetence as this is clearly a (rhetorical) question for Google, not for Wikipedia, and the question only serves (yet again) as thinly-veiled soapboxing, and another attempt to link Kip McKean and these churches to the concept of "Cult". The fact that he's crossposting it to all these talk pages only makes it look more like a conscious agenda.

• Talk:International Christian Church, "Aren't you supposed to notify me when you talk about and/or mention me in posts? If you haven't notified me have you not followed a Wikipedia policy/rule?]

No idea who he's talking to here. Four years at the project and he hasn't figured out indents, how to ping, or even how to type the name of the person he's addressing. At this point I have to request that he please be indeffed for soapboxing and incompetence. I think we've exhausted our patience with this guy. Thanks, and sorry to bug you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your action here, Nyttend. Happy weekend! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

RE: Help request Udo Hebel

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2 pix for your opinion

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  Sign in a Lancaster County parking lot
• 
  No idea why this is at a Reformed church

The first sign is obviously the punch line in an Amish parking lot joke, but I've included it in the Eden Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania article anyway - not much else going on there. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong. The 2nd sign is one of those where I say "What's this all about?" You may remember you gave me a pretty good guess on the "No trees allowed" sign. My best guess is that they really mean "no metal detectors." Other guess is that since it is in Metal Township, Frankling County that one of the metals in the area might be uranium, or that there was some refining in the area. But it's the most rural setting you can imagine in Pennsylvania, and it still doesn't explain why anybody would want to use a Geiger counter there. Any help appreciated. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Deleting edit summaries

Hi, I may need your help in cleaning up an article history. Let me explain, I created Ted Scott (basketball) in September 2012, and between other things, I added that he left because he failed a doping test and was released, and added a proper news source. The alleged wife of the player then started a revert war with me over that, until I remove it. The data is no longer in the article, but as it may be slender or offensive to them, it would be better to either delete the edits altogher or remove it's edit summary from me and Ajaleone. Whatever you decide, thanks anyway.--Threeohsix (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I think something can be arranged, it's in the best interests of the player and I'm asking this for him. Besides, the other party only joined wikipedia because of that and once the mather was over, never returned, so it's not like they're coming back to contest an edit summary. Changing the edits to something like "discussion started" "discussion continued" "discussion end", would be better, leaving the history of the article with less "noise".--Threeohsix (talk) 22:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I misunderstood you, I thought you could only edit what was written. I have no objections to deleting the edits outright, nothing will be lost, it was basicaly a stub, before I work on it today.--Threeohsix (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I see it's pretty difficult to circumvent. Well, at least it's buried in the history section, and with the push I just gave it, more editors will come to correct something. Thanks anyway. --Threeohsix (talk) 22:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Homestead High School (Fort Wayne, Indiana)

Hi, Nyttend. I could find nothing in DAB policy or school article guidelines specifying schools should be DAB'd (city, state). DAB policy does say to use the least DAB possible. I have two Homestead High Schools on my watchlist and I am guessing there are more, but this one is the only one in Indiana. I confirmed that with a NCES search. I would appreciate it if you could go ahead and delete Homestead High School (Indiana) so I can move the above article to it. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

HIV page edit

just a small thing: You edited out the historic names of some places on HIV. At WP:NCPLACE it says "If [...] the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used." I think that "if" applies to that section of HIV. thanks for all your contributions. --Xtothel (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your answer. I must have read the history the wrong way round. Thanks for your correct edit.

--Xtothel (talk) 07:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)